 Israel is in a state of war. Families completely done down in their beds. We have no idea where is she. As our soldiers are fighting on the front lines, but the general perception is something that certainly needs to be fought as well. The I-24 News continuing our coverage of Israel at war. I'm Nicole Zettick, live in Tel Aviv. We are in day five of a ceasefire, and Israel is expecting to welcome home another 10 hostages really any hour now. Just like we've seen over the past four days, for every one Israeli returned home, Israel will release three Palestinian prisoners. All of them sentenced for committing acts of violence or terrorism, including attempted murder. Meanwhile, the fragile ceasefire, it's being tested. The IDF says a number of soldiers were injured today by explosive devices detonated in the northern Gaza Strip. And in one incident, terrorists opened fire at Israeli troops in a clear violation of the ceasefire. Still, with this, we are expecting 10 hostages to be released from Gaza shortly. Over the past four days, 69 hostages have been brought home. 50 Israelis as part of the original deal, as well as 19 foreign nationals released through outside negotiations with Thailand and Russia. Still, more than 160 hostages are believed to be in Gaza. And we're learning more about the horrific condition they were kept in for the past seven weeks. Let's talk more about this. I wanna cross live to our I-24 News senior diplomatic correspondent, Owen Alderman, who's at Igloof Hospital in Tel Aviv, where some of these freed hostages have received some treatment, Owen. Yeah, that's right, Nicole. Nine children and two women who were free yesterday receiving treatment here at Igloof Hospital. Earlier on in the day, hospital administrators talked about the nutritional problems, the orthopedic problems. And we've heard from the families over the course of the day about the mental health problems that these children face. Emily Hand, for example, age nine, cries herself to sleep, still whispers because she was told by her captors to keep quiet. Eitan Yalomi, in an interview that his relatives gave to BFM, a sister channel of I-24 News, explained that these captors forced him to watch videos of the atrocities of October 7th and pointed their guns at him and other children when they cried. So obviously it's gonna be a long, long road back, Nicole, for these kids. On the other hand, some good news actually coming from south of here, from Bersheva Soroka Hospital. We're just over the course of the last hour. Administrators there have updated on the condition of 84-year-old Elma Avraham, of course, taken by helicopter two days ago, there rather than to central Israel because her condition was just that bad. She had been said to have been fighting for their life. Now hospital administrators saying that her condition has improved. So obviously, Nicole, one bit of good news, as well as the others of hearing these hostages at least being freed, getting good medical treatment here in Israeli hospitals, even if their road to recovery, especially in terms of their mental health, is really a long one. Meanwhile, Owen, hopefully we are expecting 10 more Israeli hostages to be freed tonight. How are these hospitals preparing to possibly receive some more hostages? Well, listen, Nicole, for better or worse, Israeli hospitals have now amassed some experience in treating hostages, right? Having gone through the four-day period of the initial ceasefire and having 50 Israeli hostages be freed in addition to those four nationals that you mentioned as well. So amassing some experience. These teams are getting experience. The hostages have been spread to a number of hospitals around the country. So a number of hospitals have received experience. Of course, we should say it's already the five o'clock hour here in Israel. This is the time of day, where at least on some of those days, the hostage releases had started to happen, right? We'd started to hear of hostages being handed over to the Red Cross to start to make their journey to the Rafah crossing and so forth. No word on that yet. We, of course, have also seen days where that release has been delayed. Owen Alderman will continue to keep our eye on it throughout the day, but thank you for that update from Tel Aviv. Now, as Owen spoke about, we are just hearing some of the first testimony from some of these freed hostages and truly the horrific circumstances that they were held under. 78-year-old Ruthie Munder, she was released along with her daughter and nine-year-old grandson, Ohad. However, her husband, Abraham, he is still captive in Gaza. Now, Ruthie spoke to Israel's channel 13 News and described the quote suffocating conditions. She and others were kept in for nearly 50 days. There were a lot of people who were left behind on the side of the Red Cross who were held in the right side of the Red Cross. They were left behind, we were separated from each other, and that's what happened. I don't know about everyone else, but for those of us who had these children, we were left behind under these circumstances. There was a time when we found out that they were with us that there was no place for them to be. For example, they were left behind by the Red Cross. They were left behind by the Red Cross. They were left behind by the Red Cross. And that was the difference. Because we were left behind under these circumstances. And if there were any other children, we could have left them behind. And the people were left behind. Our 24 new senior editor, Guy Osreel. Guy, let's begin, because we're getting more information day after day as we're seeing these hostages released, brought back to Israeli territory. However, they haven't been brought back in the same route every day. Right. There was an exception two days ago when hostages that were released that were rather been taken from the Nakh al-Alsqibbutz in the northern part of the Gaza Strip were actually returned more northern than usual through the Karni crossing. And here we can see what is expected today. We can see in the first point that is the town of Hanyunis in Gaza. This is where the Israeli hostages are expected to be released from today. This is where they will be transferred into the hands of the Red Cross from there. They will make their way into the Rafa crossing and cross there into Egypt. They will first meet Israeli representatives that will validate their identity according to the deal, give them also just a very initial examination of their medical and mental status from there. They will make their way through the same vehicles to the Kerem Shalom crossing. That is the first time they will eventually be on Israeli soil, transfer to fire ambulances or in other needs. Like we saw in one case where the Alma Avraham who was in a very serious condition was taken immediately via helicopter to the Soroka hospital. In most other cases, they will make their way to the Khatsarim base and from there via helicopters to the corresponding hospitals, those that were designated by Israel to treat those hostages in the cases of children to the Schneider Children's Hospital or to other hospitals around Israel. We certainly are hoping to see 10 more of those reunions. 10 more Israelis brought back tonight and we'll be keeping our eye on it because it could be happening really any hour now. But in the meantime, let's cross live to our I-24 News correspondent, Pia Cedechalback, who's in what's now known as hostages square in Tel Aviv. Pia, you've heard from some of the family members of those who are still held captive in Gaza. Right, Nicole, a few minutes ago, there was a press conference that was held by the family of Kfir, Ariel, Shiri, and Yarden. Biba, which is an entire family that is still being held captive in Gaza. They were kidnapped on October 7th from the Kippurts of Niroz. Kfir is a 10-month-old baby. He's the youngest hostage. He was captured together with his four-year-old brother, Ariel, and his parents, Shiri and Yarden. And the family was really just calling upon, first of all, the Red Cross to get access to the family and to attend to their medical needs and also just to release them, obviously, immediately. And there were also dozens of supporters here that came specifically to show their support and their empathy for the Biba's family that has kind of become a symbol for the hostages there. They have remarkably red hair, which makes them very recognizable. And therefore, dozens of orange balloons were released into the sky here in a ceremony early on. And the end of Kfir and Ariel spoke to the press. And they called, let's take a listen to what she had to say. We're missing Yarden, Shiri, Ariel and Kfir. The four of them have been kept in Hamas captivity for already in Gaza for over 53 days. 53 days in which we don't know where they are being held, what is their condition, are they being fed enough? Who is taking care of them? Are they together? This is your enemy. Kfir and I'm a 10-month-old baby. Ariel, a four-month-old boy. This is your enemy. Our kidnaping children are in line with the Islam values. It's certainly heartbreaking to continue to hear about those families who their loved ones still remain captive. P.S. Dachelbach, thank you for that update from Tel Aviv. Meanwhile, let's come back to my guests Dr. David Shimoni, as we saw earlier today, there was a break in the ceasefire. The Hamas violated the ceasefire according to the IDF, not only some explosive devices detonating and injuring soldiers, but also a case of live fire. Are we expecting this in any way? We're now, any hour now, hoping to see 10 more Israelis brought back home. Could this put a pause in that? As far as we understand, our troops in the Gaza Strip have been instructed all of this, the duration of this ceasefire to be on high alert and to expect such occasions. And eventually today it happened. We had a few days of relatively quiet, which was a blessing, but we're facing a cruel enemy and a vicious enemy. And they see some opportunity to, I think it was side the charges that they used against a tank and a personnel carrier. We don't know, we don't know if it will continue. For the time being, we've seen that the IDF has not retaliated, so we are trying maybe to contain this, maybe sometime tonight there'll be some air force activity or something against the Hamas. But for the time being, as long as we know that today and tomorrow, we are expecting 10 day, at least 10 hostages a day return to us, I believe. Israel, maybe also the Hamas, will try to maintain this ceasefire. For the Hamas, it's a very useful opportunity to regroup, to reorganize, replenish their supplies. Same thing for us. So we have a motive to maintain the ceasefire they have and of course we want to get as many hostages back before we resume fighting because fighting to liberate our hostages will be costly on our soldiers. And there's currently 160 hostages that are still held captive, at least in Gaza. If we get more today, it'll go down to 150. Tomorrow, 140. So by the end of this six day ceasefire, 140 hostages can still be held in Gaza. Right, and therefore it looks as if the IDF will resume fighting. All of our leadership are talking about it. We are going to resume fighting to exert more pressure on the Hamas because we believe that the more military pressure applied on them, the more willing they will be to continue negotiating, release of further hostages. I've been saying here to you and to other hosts that eventually I believe the negotiations will shift from numbers of our hostages returning home against their prisoners released to a negotiation about the safety of the Hamas leadership. Eventually there'll be so much military pressure and they will be losing communications and their physical conditions there will deteriorate and eventually I believe they will try to secure some safe exit from the Gaza Strip in return for our hostages. I hope that will be an outcome because as you mentioned, we're still facing over 100 I believe soldiers. We don't know anything about their conditions. None of the hostages released until now knew to give information about the conditions of the soldiers and we're hearing about the atrocities that the civilians went through. I'm afraid the soldiers are suffering more and we will try to do anything we can to get them back. Yeah, that is of course the catch-22 situation here for Israel as it tries to employs much pressure on Hamas as possible and at the same time wanting to ensure the well-being of its captives, be them civilians or soldiers threatening when Israel also very clearly states that the goal is to eliminate Hamas completely. So if you know that the end of Hamas is the elimination of leader Yahisinoir, how do you ensure that the Israeli hostages will remain alive? There's obviously all sorts of scary scenarios as Israel advances in this war as to how Hamas could threaten Israel and the lives of those Israelis who are hostage, freeing a Sinwar as part of some sort of a deal that would bring an end to Hamas may be a way out for him and for Israel to maintain the safety of its captives that is still a very long way to go. The fact is that not enough pressure is being put on Hamas right now. The price that Israel is paying for these Israeli hostages, women and children is in a ratio of three to one. We're still talking about Palestinians who committed terror offenses against Israel who attempted to murder Jews here in Israel. Nonetheless, when it will come down to the Israeli soldiers, we didn't even speak about the other Israelis. There's just male Israelis, regular civilians that were taken out of their homes or from the nature party. When we speak about the soldiers, the prices that Israel will have to pay if it wants to go through a deal will be completely different. And when we're talking about the hostages that are still held in Gaza, that number really does fluctuate depending on different reports. And right now it stands at roughly 160. But now Qatar, they're even saying that they don't even know the exact number of hostages that are still in Gaza. Even as they're currently working with the United States to extend the ceasefire and hopefully release more Israeli captives, all as Guy said, in exchange for Palestinian prisoners. Okay, so regarding the estimate of the number of hostages we have heard a lot of estimates from other sources including Hamas on one side, Israel on the other side, but we cannot guarantee at the moment, we cannot validate any of these numbers. What we can validate or at least say with a degree of certainty is that we have an extra number of 20 hostages that are ready to be released within this 48 hours. I cannot testify to any other number at this moment. However, the four days were used to increase the number of hostages that are identified by Hamas and therefore we reached this number of 20. We are hopeful that in the next 48 hours we will be getting more information from Hamas regarding the rest of the hostages. I wanna continue this conversation now with Dr. Eli Carmon, senior researcher at the Institute for Counterterrorism at Reichman University. Thank you so much for being with us. I'm curious, Dr. Carmon, would we hear from Qatar stating that they don't even know exactly how many more hostages Hamas has? How can we continue these negotiations if they don't know how many more Israelis Hamas can turn over? Good evening. I always had a very negative idea or opinion about the Qatari role, not only in the Palestinian issue but also in the Middle East. I considered it since 2011, since the so-called Arab Spring, the jockey, a negative jockey in all the region beginning for instance in Egypt where they supported the Muslim Brotherhood, the Jihadis they supported in Syria, and in Iraq and so on. Now I would not take for granted that the Qataris are the real good one Mediator. It is true that they have a lot of influence because they invested one and a half billion dollars in the Hamas. They have all the political leaders in Doha. Even and again, of Turkey has exposed Hania from Istanbul because they consider it to be too dangerous to have them there, not a legitimate presence. So I think that we should be very cautious in accepting Hamas Qatari as a real broker in these negotiations. In my opinion, first of all, we should ask not only from the Qataris but also from Hamas that the Red Cross has to visit our prisoners, all of our prisoners, including the soldiers. We saw how many people returning from there are sick. We know that two of the kidnapped ladies, one young soldier and a lady, all the lady Mrs. Vice were assassinated near the Shifa hospital. And we see the problem with the Divas family. So we have to ask as a sine qua non condition, absolute condition that the Red Cross should visit the prisoners. The second thing I think- Dr. Karnan, well, I'm curious what you make of the fact that the massage chief right now when we're talking about Qatar and their hand in these negotiations, right now the massage chief is in Qatar with talks with not only top Qatari officials but also the CIA director, Bill Burns. So when we're talking about the hand that Qatar plays in these negotiations, how did this meeting take place? The Egyptian military intelligence there, the Muhammad. But again, Qatar, it is not a reliable partner in this negotiation. Today it was published that not only they want kind of exchange for the next, say a week or two days, they want a permanent ceasefire and they want to be involved in the reconstruction of Gaza. This is not possible. We have today the Al Jazeera is the main propaganda tool of Hamas. And nothing has been done on this issue. And I think Israel should press Qatar more on these issues. I understand the problem of the Americans because the Americans have the biggest military base in Qatar and they cannot simply go away from there. But still, I think there is sufficient leverage because Qatar today understands that supporting the Hamas, especially since the massacre, the pogrom in the 7th of October, they are not accepted in the international arena. There are more and more opposition to their presence in the United States and in Europe. Well, and speaking of the United States, we know that US Secretary of State, Anthony Blinken, he's expected to come back to Israel again this week. So are we going to maybe see more of this international pressure to extend this ceasefire and continue working on these negotiations with Qatar? I'm aware of the role that Qatar now has, that it should have to be changed in the sense that they have to be pressed by Israel, by the Egyptians, by the way, that were for years in crisis with the Qataris and by the United States to change their strategy, to change their policy with the Hamas. First of all, perhaps to expel or to arrest the political leadership of Hamas. And then not to ask for a ceasefire, permanent ceasefire, which only serves the interests of Hamas. Dr. Ali Karman, thank you so much for your insight as to what's happening with these negotiations abroad. Thank you. Thank you. Now, while we're looking at the fighting, I want to bring back in Dr. David Shimoni because we're talking about the ceasefire that we've seen implemented on Israel's southern border. But let's turn our attention to the north as well because it has been relatively quiet for the past five days. I say relatively, as we've seen a few incidents here and there, but Hezbollah, although not formally involved in this truce, they have seemed to abide by it. So what's going to happen on the northern front in the next coming days? The situation in the north is very similar to what's happening in the south. We have the IDF fully mobilized on full alert in the north. We have Kisbala stationed along the border in the violation of United Nations Resolution 1701. And the tension is so high that we're witnessing false alerts all the time, false alarms, even missiles being sent to intercept something. You notice now the migration of birds in the north and sometimes they're misfire rockets to intercept birds because they appear on the radars. What I'm saying is the situation in the north is very volatile, is very sensitive. Again, the people who live in the north are just like the people in the south. They're evacuated from their homes, from the towns, from the villages. And anything small can ignite the northern front. Still, I believe that nor Israel nor Hezbollah now would want to start a big, major offensive against each other. Because unlike in the south where these residents, they were hearing from the Israeli government that they're vowing to destroy the threat on their border. What are these northern residents going to do if Israel doesn't vow to do the same? How are they expected to go back home at some point? It's a very tricky question because they want to go home and they want assurance that the situation on the northern border would be safer for them. And for the time being, I don't see. Is Israel now initiating a major offensive on Hezbollah? I believe with the assistance, if you want, or the pressure of the United States, there will be attempts to make the Hezbollah withdraw to the north and move back to the line that was agreed upon in 2006. I think it is with the 1701 resolution. I believe that some other kind of assurance would have to be given to the residents of the north, and I hope they will be satisfied with it because they describe their life there as impossible with an immediate threat of rockets and ground assaults on their villages. I believe we will not see a major attack on Hezbollah initiated by Israel now before United States, other countries will try to do something diplomatically. And speaking of the north guy, we're getting some new information into the I-24 newsroom right now about the bodies of soldiers who are now in the hands of Hezbollah. Yes, the idea for just now, announcing three IDF-fallen soldiers, all of them from that October 7th massacre, where you're speaking about two of them who will have a funeral, the third of these bodies in the hands of Hamas, all of them are believed to have been killed on that, during those battles of October 7th, and their bodies have been taken by Hamas, been abducted by Hamas. The IDF chief rabbi has allowed, according to the Jewish halakha, to bring two of them to burial, and therefore there will be two funerals for two of those three, their bodies are still being held by Hamas. It's this psychological toll that we have to remember as Israel is not only fighting to get back their hostages, but we have so many soldiers who continue to be lost in this ongoing battle as well. Yes, they were missing. It was clear that they were gone, and the IDF is constantly conducting intelligence efforts to find out the whereabouts of its soldiers as well as Israelis who are missing. We're not talking about just hostages, but also we had a large number of missing people. Some of them have later turned out to be hostages. Others, their bodies were located in some sort of traces. We know that very sadly, in some cases, expert archeologists had to identify the bodies not much, unfortunately, was left. This is the very sad reality of this massacre. This is exactly the reality. Guy Azrael as well as Dr. David Shimoni, thank you for breaking down the unfolding events on day 53. We're going out for a break, but thank you for tuning in. Eight of war families completely done down in their beds. We have no idea where she is. Our soldiers are fighting on the front lines, but the general perception is something that certainly needs to be fought as well. We're continuing our coverage of Israel at war. I'm Nicole Zadik live in Tel Aviv. We are in day five of a ceasefire, and Israel is expecting to welcome home another 10 hostages really any hour now. Just like we've seen over the past four days, for every one Israeli returned home, Israel will release three Palestinian prisoners, all of them sentenced for committing acts of violence or terrorism, including attempted murder. Meanwhile, the fragile ceasefire, it's being tested. The IDF says a number of soldiers were injured today by explosive devices detonated in the northern Gaza Strip. And in one incident, terrorists opened fire at Israeli troops in a clear violation of the ceasefire. Still with this, we are expecting 10 hostages to be released from Gaza shortly. Over the past four days, 69 hostages have been brought home. 50 Israelis as part of the original deal, as well as 19 foreign nationals released through outside negotiations with Thailand and Russia. Still more than 160 hostages are believed to be in Gaza. And we're learning more about the horrific condition they were kept in for the past seven weeks. To talk more about this, I wanna cross live to our I-24 News senior diplomatic correspondent, Owen Alderman, who's at Iqilov Hospital in Tel Aviv, where some of these freed hostages have received some treatment, Owen. Yeah, that's right, Nicole, nine children and two women who were freed yesterday receiving treatment here at Iqilov Hospital. Earlier on in the day, hospital administrators talked about the nutritional problems, the orthopedic problems. And we've heard from the families over the course of the day about the mental health problems that these children face. Emily Hand, for example, age nine, cries herself to sleep, still whispers, because she was told by her captors to keep quiet. Eta Nyalomi, in an interview that his relatives gave to BFM, a sister channel of I-24 News, explained that these captors forced him to watch videos of the atrocities of October 7th and pointed their guns at him and other children when they cried. So obviously it's gonna be a long, long road back, Nicole, for these kids. On the other hand, some good news actually coming from south of here, from Bershevac, Soroka Hospital. We're just over the course of the last hour, administrators there have updated on the condition of 84-year-old Elma Avraham, of course, taken by helicopter two days ago there, rather than to central Israel because her condition was just that bad. She had been said to have been fighting for their life. Now hospital administrators saying that her condition has improved. So obviously, Nicole, one bit of good news, as well as the others of hearing these hostages at least being freed, getting good medical treatment here in Israeli hospitals, even if their road to recovery, especially in terms of their mental health, is really a long one. Meanwhile, Owen, hopefully we are expecting 10 more Israeli hostages to be freed tonight. How are these hospitals preparing to possibly receive some more hostages? Well, listen, Nicole, for better or worse, Israeli hospitals have now amassed some experience in treating hostages, right? Having gone through the four-day period of the initial ceasefire and having 50 Israeli hostages be freed in addition to those foreign nationals that you mentioned as well. So amassing some experience. These teams are getting experience. The hostages have been spread to a number of hospitals around the country. So a number of hospitals have received experience. Of course we should say it's already the five o'clock hour here in Israel. This is the time of day where at least on some of those days the hostage releases had started to happen, right? We'd started to hear of hostages being handed over to the Red Cross to start to make their journey to the Rafah crossing and so forth. No word on that yet. We of course have also seen days where that release has been delayed. Owen Alderman will continue to keep our eye on it throughout the day, but thank you for that update from Tel Aviv. Now as Owen spoke about, we are just hearing some of the first testimony from some of these freed hostages and truly the horrific circumstances that they were held under. 78-year-old Ruth DeMunder, she was released along with her daughter and nine-year-old grandson, Ohad. However, her husband, Abraham, he is still captive in Gaza. Now, Ruth DeMunder spoke to Israel's channel 13 News and described the, quote, suffocating conditions. She and others were kept in for nearly 50 days. I want to bring in my studio guests now. I'm joined by former intelligence official, Dr. David Shimoni, as well as our I-24 News senior editor, Guy Azrael. Guy, let's begin, because we're getting more information day after day as we're seeing these hostages release, brought back to Israeli territory. However, they haven't been brought back in the same route every day. Right. There was an exception two days ago when hostages that were released that were rather been taken from the Nakh al-Alsqib but in the northern part of the Gaza Strip were actually returned more northern than usual through the Karni Crossing. And here we can see what is expected today. We can see in the first point that is the town of Hanyunis in Gaza. This is where the Israeli hostages are expected to be released from today. This is where they will be transferred into the hands of the Red Cross from there. They will make their way into the Rafa Crossing and cross there into Egypt. They will first meet Israeli representatives that will validate their identity according to the deal, give them also just a very initial examination of their medical and mental status from there. They will make their way through the same vehicles to the Kerem Shalom Crossing. That is the first time they will eventually be on Israeli soil, transfer to fire ambulances or in other needs like we saw in one case where the Alma Avraham, who was in a very serious condition, was taken immediately via helicopter to the Soroka Hospital. In most other cases, they will make their way to the Khatsarim base and from there via helicopters to the corresponding hospitals, those that were designated by Israel to treat those hostages in the cases of children to the Schneider Children's Hospital or to other hospitals around Israel. We certainly are hoping to see 10 more of those reunions, 10 more Israelis brought back tonight and we'll be keeping our eye on it because it could be happening really any hour now, but in the meantime, let's cross live to our I-24 News correspondent, Pia Szechelbach, who's in what's now known as Hostages Square in Tel Aviv. Pia, you've heard from some of the family members of those who are still held captive in Gaza. Right, Nicole, a few minutes ago there was a press conference that was held by the family of Kfir, Ariel, Shiri and Yarden. Beba, which is an entire family that is still being held captive in Gaza. They were kidnapped on October 7th from the Kippurts of Niroos. Kfir is a 10-month-old baby. He's the youngest hostage. He was captured together with his four-year-old brother, Ariel, and his parents, Shiri and Yarden. And the family was really just calling upon, first of all, the Red Cross to get access to the family and to attend to their medical needs and also just to release them, obviously, immediately. And there were also dozens of supporters here that came specifically to show their support and their empathy for the Bebas family that has kind of become a symbol for the hostages there. They have remarkably red hair, which makes them very recognizable and therefore dozens of orange balloons were released into the sky here in a ceremony earlier on. And the end of Kfir and Ariel spoke to the press, and they called, let's take a listen to what she had to say. We're missing Yarden, Shiri, Ariel, and Kfir. The four of them have been kept in Hamas captivity for already in Gaza for over 53 days. 53 days in which we don't know where they are being held, what is their condition, are they being fed enough, who is taking care of them? Are they together? This is your enemy. Kfir, a 10-month-old baby. Ariel, a four-month-old boy. This is your enemy. Our kidnapped children are in line with the Islam values. It's certainly heartbreaking to continue to hear about those families who their loved ones still remain captive. Pia Stackelback, thank you for that update from Tel Aviv. Meanwhile, let's come back to my guests Dr. David Shimoni, as we saw earlier today, there was a break in the ceasefire. The Hamas violated the ceasefire according to the IDF, not only some explosive devices detonating and injuring soldiers, but also a case of live fire. Are we expecting this in any way? We're now, any hour now, hoping to see 10 more Israelis brought back home. Could this put a pause in that? As far as we understand, our troops in the Gaza Strip have been instructed all of this, duration of this ceasefire to be on high alert and to expect such occasions, and eventually today it happened. We had a few days of relatively quiet, which was a blessing, but we're facing a cruel enemy and a vicious enemy, and they see some opportunity to, I think it was side the charges that they used against a tank and a personnel carrier. We don't know, we don't know if it will continue. For the time being, we've seen that the IDF has not retaliated, so we are trying maybe to contain this, maybe sometime tonight there'll be some air force activity or something against the Hamas. But for the time being, as long as we know that today and tomorrow, we are expecting 10 day, at least 10 hostages a day return to us, I believe. Israel, maybe also the Hamas, will try to maintain this ceasefire. For the Hamas, it's a very useful opportunity to regroup, to reorganize, replenish their supplies. Same thing for us. So we have a motive to maintain the ceasefire they have, and of course we want to get as many hostages back before we resume fighting, because fighting to liberate our hostages will be costly on our soldiers. And there's currently 160 hostages that are still held captive, at least in Gaza. If we get more today, it'll go down to 150. Tomorrow, 140. So by the end of this six day ceasefire, 140 hostages can still be held in Gaza. Right, and therefore it looks as if the IDF will resume fighting. All of our leadership are talking about it. We are going to resume fighting to exert more pressure on the Hamas, because we believe that the more military pressure applied on them, the more willing they will be to continue negotiating, release of further hostages. I've been saying here to you and to other hosts that eventually I believe the negotiations will shift from numbers of our hostages returning home against their prisoners released to a negotiation about the safety of the Hamas leadership. Eventually there'll be so much military pressure and they will be losing communications and their physical conditions there will deteriorate. And eventually I believe they will try to secure some safe exit from the Gaza Strip in return for our hostages. I hope that will be an outcome, because as you mentioned, we're still facing over a hundred, I believe, soldiers. We don't know anything about their conditions. None of the hostages released until now knew to give information about the conditions of the soldiers. And we're hearing about the atrocities that the civilians went through. I'm afraid the soldiers are suffering more and we will try to do anything we can to get them back. Yeah, that is of course the catch-22 situation here for Israel as it tries to employ as much pressure on Hamas as possible and at the same time wanting to ensure the well-being of its captives, be them civilians or soldiers threatening with when Israel also very clearly states that the goal is to eliminate Hamas completely. So if you know that the end of Hamas is the elimination of leader Yahisinoir, how do you ensure that the Israeli hostages will remain alive? There's obviously all sorts of scary scenarios as Israel advances in this war as to how Hamas could threaten Israel and the lives of those Israelis who are hostage. Freeing a Sinwar as part of some sort of a deal that would bring an end to Hamas may be a way out for him and for Israel to maintain the safety of its captives. That is still a very long way to go. The fact is that not enough pressure is being put on Hamas right now. The price that Israel is paying for these Israeli hostages, women and children, is in a ratio of three to one. We're still talking about Palestinians who committed terror offenses against Israel who attempted to murder Jews here in Israel. Nonetheless, when it will come down to the Israeli soldiers, we didn't even speak about the other Israelis. They're just male Israelis, regular civilians that were taken out of their homes or from the nature party. When we speak about the soldiers, the prices that Israel will have to pay if it wants to go through a deal will be completely different. And when we're talking about the hostages that are still held in Gaza, that number really does fluctuate depending on different reports. And right now it stands at roughly 160. But now Qatar, they're even saying that they don't even know the exact number of hostages that are still in Gaza. Even as they're currently working with the United States to extend the ceasefire and hopefully release more Israeli captives, all as Guy said, in exchange for Palestinian prisoners. Okay, so regarding the estimate of the number of hostages, we have heard a lot of estimates from other sources, including Hamas on one side, Israel on the other side, but we cannot guarantee at the moment, we cannot validate any of these numbers. What we can validate or at least say with a degree of certainty is that we have an extra number of 20 hostages that are ready to be released within this 48 hours. I cannot testify to any other number at this moment. However, the four days were used to increase the number of hostages that are identified by Hamas, and therefore we reached this number of 20. We are hopeful that in the next 48 hours we will be getting more information from Hamas regarding the rest of the hostages. I want to continue this conversation now with Dr. Ellie Carmond, senior researcher at the Institute for Counterterrorism at Reichman University. Thank you so much for being with us. I'm curious, Dr. Carmond, would we hear from Qatar, stating that they don't even know exactly how many more hostages Hamas has. How can we continue these negotiations if they don't know how many more Israelis Hamas can turn over? Good evening. I always had a very negative idea or opinion about the Qatar role, not only in the Palestinian issue, but also in the Middle East. I considered it since 2011, since the so-called Arab Spring, a negative jockey in all the region, beginning for instance in Egypt where they supported the Muslim Brotherhood, the Jihadis they supported in Syria and in Iraq and so on. Now, I would not take for granted that the Qataris are the real Goodman Mediator. It is true that they have a lot of influence because they invested one and a half billion dollars in the Hamas. They have all the political leaders in Doha. Even Erdogan of Turkey has exposed Hania from Istanbul because they consider it to be too dangerous to have them there, not a legitimate presence. So I think that we should be very cautious in accepting Hamas, Qatar as a real broker in these negotiations. In my opinion, first of all, we should ask not only from the Qataris but also from Hamas that the Red Cross has to visit our prisoners, all of our prisoners, including the soldiers. We saw how many people returning from there are sick. We know that two of the kidnapped ladies, one young soldier and a lady, all the lady, Mrs. Vice, were assassinated near the Shifa hospital. And we see the problem with the Divas family. So we have to ask, as a sine qua non condition, absolute condition that the Red Cross should visit the prisoners. The second thing I think- Dr. Karnan, I'm curious what you make of the fact that the massage chief right now when we're talking about Qatar and their hand in these negotiations, right now the massage chief is in Qatar with talks with not only top Qatari officials but also the CIA director, Bill Burns. So when we're talking about the hand that Qatar plays in these negotiations, how did this meeting take place? The Egyptian military intelligence there, the Muhammad. But again, Qatar, it is not a reliable partner in this negotiation. Today it was published that not only they want kind of exchange for the next, say a week or two days, they want a permanent ceasefire. And they want to be involved in the reconstruction of Gaza. This is not possible. We have today, the Al Jazeera is the main propaganda tool of Hamas. And nothing has been done on this issue. And I think Israel should press Qatar more on these issues. I understand the problem of the Americans because the Americans have the biggest military base in Qatar and they cannot simply go away from there. But still, I think there is sufficient leverage because Qatar today understands that supporting the Hamas, especially since the massacre, the pogrom in the 7th of October, they are not accepted in the international arena. There are more and more opposition to their presence in the United States and in Europe. Well, and speaking of the United States, we know that US Secretary of State, Anthony Blinken, he's expected to come back to Israel again this week. So are we going to maybe see more of this international pressure to extend this ceasefire and continue working on these negotiations with Qatar? I'm aware of the role that Qatar now has, that it should have to be changed in the sense that they have to be pressed by Israel, by the Egyptians, by the way, that were for years in crisis with the Qataris and by the United States to change their strategy, to change their policy, this is Hamas. First of all, perhaps to expel or to arrest the political leadership of Hamas. And then not to ask for a ceasefire, permanent ceasefire, which only serves the interests of Hamas. Dr. Eli Carmen, thank you so much for your insight as to what's happening with these negotiations abroad. Thank you. Thank you. Now, while we're looking at the fighting, I want to bring back in Dr. David Shimoni because we're talking about the ceasefire that we've seen implemented on Israel's southern border. But let's turn our attention to the north as well because it has been relatively quiet for the past five days. I say relatively, as we've seen a few incidents here and there, but Hezbollah, although not formally involved in this truce, they have seemed to abide by it. So what's going to happen on the northern front in the next coming days? The situation in the north is very similar to what's happening in the south. We have the IDF fully mobilized on full alert in the north. We have Hezbollah stationed along the border in the violation of United Nations Resolution 1701. And the tension is so high that we're witnessing false alerts all the time, false alarms, even missiles being sent to intercept something. You know, there's now the migration of birds in the north and sometimes they're misfire rockets to intercept birds because they appear on the radars. What I'm saying is the situation in the north is very volatile, is very sensitive. Again, the north, the people who live in the north are just like the people in the south. They're evacuated from their homes, from the towns, from the villages. And anything small can ignite the northern front. Still I believe that nor Israel nor Hezbollah now would want to start a big, major offensive against each other. Because unlike in the south where these residents, they were hearing from the Israeli government that they're vowing to destroy the threat on their border. What are these northern residents going to do if Israel doesn't vow to do the same? How are they expected to go back home at some point? It's a very tricky question because they want to go home and they want assurance that the situation on the northern border will be safer for them. And for the time being, I don't see. Is Israel now initiating a major offensive on Hezbollah? I believe with the assistance, if you want, or the pressure of the United States, there will be attempts to make the Hezbollah withdraw to the north and move back to the line that was agreed upon in 2006, I think it is, with the 1701 resolution. I believe that some other kind of assurance will have to be given to the residents of the north and I hope they will be satisfied with it because they describe their life there as impossible with an immediate threat of rockets and ground assaults on their villages. I believe we will not see a major attack on Hezbollah initiated by Israel now before United States, other countries will try to do something diplomatically. And speaking of the north guy, we're getting some new information into the I-24 newsroom right now about the bodies of soldiers who are now in the hands of Hezbollah. Yes, the IDF just now announcing three IDF-fallen soldiers, all of them from that October 7th massacre. We're speaking about two of them who will have a funeral, the third of them, these bodies in the hands of Hamas, all of them, are believed to have been killed on that, during those battles of October 7th and their bodies have been taken by Hamas, been abducted by Hamas. The IDF chief rabbi has allowed, according to the Jewish halacha, to bring two of them to burial and therefore, there will be two funerals for two of those three, their bodies are still being held by Hamas. It's this psychological toll that we have to remember as Israel is not only fighting to get back their hostages, but we have so many soldiers who continue to be lost in this ongoing battle as well. Yes, they were missing. It was clear that they were gone. And the IDF is constantly conducting intelligence efforts to find out the whereabouts of its soldiers as well as Israelis who are missing. We're not talking about just hostages, but also we had a large number of missing people. Some of them have later turned out to be hostages. Others, their bodies were located with at least some sort of traces. We know that very sadly, in some cases, expert archeologists had to identify the bodies not much, unfortunately, was left. This is the very sad reality of this massacre. This is exactly the reality. Guy Azrael as well as Dr. David Shimoni, thank you for breaking down the unfolding events on day 53. We're going out for a break, but thank you for tuning in. The I-24 News Channel, broadcasting from Israel with dozens of correspondents throughout the world, brings the truth from Israel to hundreds of millions of people in scores of countries. They have been completely gunned down in their beds. De la frontière de sépar Israel, the state of emergency and war in Israel. Bringing Israel's story to the world, I-24 News Channels, now on Hot. Israel is in a state of war. Families completely gunned down in their beds. We have no idea where she is. Our soldiers are fighting on the front line, but the general perception is something that certainly needs to be fought as well. The bridge tonight, the beginning of the second phase of releasing of Israeli hostages by Hamas. 10 more children and mothers are expected to return to Israel through the Red Cross. At the same time, the heads of the CIA and Mossad are in Qatar tonight in an effort to reach a broader agreement. Here in the studio, I-24 News Senior Editor Gai Israel with the latest and it's starting. Yes, the latest report we're getting just a minute ago that the process of moving those Israeli hostages into the hands of the Red Cross has finally begun. And this is a process that we've been seeing every day for the past five days. Those Israeli hostages are being transferred from the hands of Hamas, usually in the southern part of the Gaza Strip as we see today as well. And they are we have Hanunist into the hands of the Red Cross. From there, they will make their way onto the Rafa crossing, cross into Egypt, where that will be the first time they will meet some Israeli representatives that will verify their identity. From there, they will be transferred to the Kerem Shalom crossing. And finally, they will be in Israeli territory as long as they don't need any urgent medical care, they will be transferred fire vehicles to the Khatzarim Air Force Base and from there to the designated hospitals. Right. So, so far we had four days initially of ceasefire and return of hostages. This is the fifth day, part of a two day extension, right? 10 to day, 10 more tomorrow. Yes, but there is a lot more on the line. We know that Mossad Chief Dedi Barnea is in Qatar at this very moment, is meeting with C.I. Chief Bill Burns with the Qatari Prime Minister. Also, he just held a phone call with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and National Security Advisor, Zahi Hanegbi. We are hearing this evening already reports from Egyptian and Qatari sources about this prospect of a much wider deal. The Qataris and the Egyptians are quoted as saying this deal will include elements that will be difficult to swallow, both for Israel and for the Palestinians. And the outline that is being described is the release of thousands of Palestinian prisoners in exchange for all the Israeli hostages and an Israeli promise not to continue the operation down to the southern part of the Gaza Strip. I can remind our viewers that Israel is so far only captured the northern part of the Gaza Strip. They haven't even completed that with some neighborhoods like Jabalia and Sajairah in Gaza that are still being held by Hamas. There is still so much work to be done. And we are hearing already a response from an Israeli minister to that report saying this, from Israeli Minister Bitsaleh Smotrich saying this is not on the line at all. There is no discussion whatsoever. This is a plan, he says, to destroy the state of Israel. We continue until victory. But this is also a right-wing minister. Right, no, no, but no, you don't need to go to a right-wing minister. Let's listen to Israeli minister Benny Gantz. He said the exact same thing today. The war will not finish until we finish our plan of eliminating Hamas. We continue to victory. This is what we heard from Gantz and from Netanyahu just over the past hour. Also a couple of minutes ago, IDF releases names of three soldiers that were captured dead in the hands of Hamas. Yes, very sad news released now by the IDF. All three of them have died in the battles on October 7th on the first day of this onslaught today as the IDF consulted with the chief rabbi. It was eventually decided to pronounce them dead at the hands of Hamas. All three bodies are held at the hands of Hamas. For two of them, there will be funerals as the IDF managed to find some sort of remains that will be enough to hold a Jewish funeral, not so for the third one. Sadly, three more IDF fallen soldiers since the start of this war. Right. Thank you, Gwai. Let's go to Ichiliv Hospital in Tel Aviv. 24 years old. Ultraman is there in expectation for some hostages later today, Owen. Yeah, Jacob, you're right. 11 hostages freed yesterday, nine children, two women, hospitalized here at Ichiliv Hospital. The hospital staff has come out over the course of the day and talked about the nutritional problems that they face, especially the children, orthopedic problems. And also over the course of the day, we've heard about the mental health challenges that these kids are going to face. Emily Hand, nine years old, her father, in an interview with CNN explained how she cries herself to sleep, how she still whispers, because she was told by her captors to keep quiet. Etanya Lomi, 12 years old, his relatives telling media that he was forced by his captors by Hamas to watch video of the atrocities on October 7th. And when he cried, he had a gun pointed at him and the other children. So Jacob, these kids have such a long way to go in terms of recovering their mental health and going on that full journey to recovery. But of course, as you and Guy were just saying, looking ahead, 10 more hostages reportedly starting to make that long trip that they have from Hamas captivity to Israeli hospitals. And once they get to these hospitals, of course, to expect the same kind of quality care and attention that we've seen over the course of the last four days in the midst of all the horror of this war, Jacob, a bit of a happy routine, right? The daily return of more and more hostages to Israeli soil, to their families and to the hospitals where they can get the care that they need. But as you've mentioned, more and more details are emerging as to what these people, children, sometimes babies went through. Yeah, and of course, that's putting aside even the kids still in captivity. Of course, the Bebas family, right? A 10 month old baby, nine months old at the time of being taken hostage, still in captivity in the Gaza Strip. Their story, of course, has gotten even more attention over the course of the last day. Their family members spoke at Hostages Square earlier today. So of course, still kids still in captivity and we're hearing more and more about the conditions, particularly today, Jacob, when more family members than in previous days have been willing to come before the cameras and speak to the media about exactly what their children went through, what those children went through as hostages in Hamas captivity for more than seven weeks, many times in the tunnels of Gaza. By the way, in one case, a child saying that he was alone in a locked room for days on end. And in the case of Emily Hand, that nine year old girl, we talked about a few moments ago, Jacob, thought she had been in captivity for a year, having lost all sense of time, given where she was and given the conditions in which she was kept. Right. Any other details about people now at the Iqilaf Hospital getting treatment? Listen, we haven't heard much more than what we went through before, right, about the nutritional details and the kinds of food that the kids have been asking for and the fact that they just haven't gotten the nutrition that they needed. We also, of course, had an 11 year old hostage who was in a wheelchair when she was transported to the Red Cross yesterday. So she obviously is going to need medical care to be able to recover from that. We also, in happier news, Jacob, have had some hostages released on previous days, right? In the first or second round of releases who have been actually discharged from hospitals around Israel. So, and they have been greeted with family members and with flags outside as they've made their way from the hospital. So, in at least some cases, I think particularly with the adults, have it need as much hospital care for their physical needs and so have been able to be discharged. Obviously, in terms of mental health, it's another story altogether and they're gonna need much, much more help down the road. All right, Owen, thank you very much. We'll get back to you later. Thank you for that guide back to you. We are expecting now this process, let's go over this a little bit for our audience, the process of us just being brought to the Red Cross, which will cross the border and will bring them to Israeli hands. Yes, so now we're at the stage of the videos that we will receive as we do receive them every evening of those well-covered, face-covered Hamas terrorists that are bringing the Israeli hostages into the Red Cross vehicles. Of course, we'll also, as for a normal routine, we'll force them to wave at them. Of course, that is obviously the first thing that they want to do after being captured by these animals is to wave at their capturers, but this is what they're being forced to do. Obviously, they live there in fear and this goes together with the testimonies of what we've heard about the horror that they went through in those days of captivity. So obviously they abide by what those Hamas terrorists wish them to do. They are meeting the Red Cross at this very hour. These cars of the Red Cross will carry them to the Rafa crossing, where they will cross into Egyptian territory that is where they will meet. For the first time, Israeli representatives, they will validate that these people are indeed the 10 people that are on the list that Israel received in advance and to see that they're in relatively good condition. From there, they will make their way down east to the Kerim Shalom crossing that's also in the southern tip of the Gaza Strip. Finally, it will be on Israeli soil after 53 days since they were taken captive. They will then make their way to the Chatzarim base for more medical examinations from there. There are several designated hospitals that will be flown by helicopters even before they get to the hospital, they'll get a first phone call with the families and once they arrive at the hospitals where the families have already been given the call, go to the hospital, wait for your loved ones and that well-weighted meeting between those Israelis and their families will take place. We hope that there'll be no delays. We've seen for several days now, all sorts of issues. It usually took between one hour and two hours, sometimes even later. In the good cases, in some other cases, we had to stay here in studio till midnight. But it began, it started already and that's a good news. That is the good news indeed. Right. Now, you've mentioned the talks in Qatar about maybe a longer kind of deal which will definitely create a major, major discussion and argument within Israel. I can read you the statement from the Wall Street Journal that the latest report about what is expected of this deal, saying a long-term ceasefire would likely require Israel and Hamas to make hard to swallow concessions such as trading Israeli soldiers for potentially thousands of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails and it would require Israel to hold back on an offensive in the Sardin Gaza Strip. Obviously, that is more than just difficult to swallow. That is something that make most Israelis want to throw up because the idea that Israel would allow Hamas to continue and exist and as it well does to this point is beyond any imagination. I sense that the other side of the coin would be some sort of an arrangement that will not leave Hamas as it is. Probably, as you say, Israel would not agree to anything less. I think the Israeli government would have a lot of explaining to do and not just with what's more to be said. I can tell you one thing, the families of the hostages, they know what kind of deal they want. They want their loved ones back. By the way, not all families, some families say they would hold on on receiving their loved ones until this kind of an operation is finished. Anyway, let's go to Pia Stekelbach with the families in Tel Aviv. Pia. Right, Jacob. Here at the Hostages Square in Tel Aviv. Many people come by to show their solidarity with the families of the hostages and also family members themselves. They are coming here to rally, for support and to rally for attention. I'm here with Ya'eel Moses. His mother, Margalit Moses, was among the first hostages that were released on Friday night. His mother, Margalit, 78 years old. She's back with her family, but his father, Gadi, is still in Gaza. And thank you very much, Ya'eel, for being with us here. First and foremost, I want to ask you, how's your mother doing? How's she feeling? She's feeling better now. She's released from the hospital, so we are happy about it. It says her health condition is pretty good. And now it's starting to recover, fully recover. Hopefully, it will be fast. Does she talk about her captivity in any way? Yeah, she tells us what happened there, what all the things that happened there during these 50 days that she was there. And yeah, she's sharing a lot, not a lot. Is there anything that you can share with us? Any of her experiences that she had there? I prefer not to share the details themselves because it's some personal details about her and others. And also some details are important not to share because the security, the people that are still there. But I can share her feelings and she was always hopeful and believed that she will be released. And she tried to be as active as possible and help the people that were with her. And this is, I believe, help her to feel vital and give her the powers to keep doing it until the happy day that she was told she's about to be released. Now, your father is among the many, many people that are still being held captive in Gaza. And you yourself, you continue the struggle, right? What are your demands? What can be done at this point to also release the men that have not been part of any deal yet? Well, we need them to be released. But I think the most important thing is now that people understand that some of them are very elderly men and they need their treatment. And we don't know anything about their condition. And all the humanitarian organization, like UN and all this sub-organization and Ant-Gross, must do much more in order to see the Israeli people that are captured there. Because it's impossible to imagine their condition. We don't know who is alive, who is sick, who is wounded. We don't know anything about them. And if humanitarian aid is coming into Gaza, everyone in Gaza need to get this help, including the Israel people that are there, not out of the wheel. They were kidnapped from their home, from their beds into Gaza. And we must know what their condition is. Now, you have come to the hostage square tonight. And I know that you've been here on a quite regular basis. What is it that you can find here? What is it that this square specifically gives you? The squares have many, many reasons to come to. One of them is to show, to shout our call to all the world, please help us bring them home. And second, you know, you talk to the people, the people from Israel, which don't have any relative, it's helping to connect to us. And it's important for us to everybody know and remember, this must be number one priority for Israel to release all the hostages as soon as possible. And this is being here and talking to you, to the press, this is what makes, put us in the headlines and making sure this is the first priority goal for everyone. Hey, Moses, thank you very, very much for joining us. All the best for your family. Hey, Moses, whose mother, Margalit, was released already on Friday, but whose father, Gadi, is still being held captive in Gaza, such as so many others here. Families have been coming here to, again, really for support and to remind everyone that there's still people being held in Gaza, and especially that men is something that we're not speaking enough about. This is what family members have been telling us. Earlier on, there was a press conference held by the family of the family members of the Bebas family, the Bebas family, Kvill, 10 months old, Ariel, four years old, and the parents, Shireh and Yerden, they were captured also from Niroz, and they have not been released yet, and Hamas, or at least this is what the Israeli security establishment assesses, is that they're not even being held by Hamas, which makes their release even more difficult. So here, the anticipation is also to release the rest of the children as soon as possible, and then also to, in the next step, speak about the release of the remaining men. Jacob. Right, Pia, thank you very much for that. Details are emerging about the hostages or deal in Gaza, I-24 News Defense correspondent, Jonathan Regev has more on that. 51 Israelis are back home from Hamas captivity. The public is not yet aware of everything they went through during their seven-week ordeal in Gaza, but some family members have given a few insights into the living hell they experienced. We removed various times from place to place. Sometimes those places were below ground and sometimes above it. When we needed to go to the toilet, we had to knock on the door and wait for them to take us. Sometimes it took hours before they took us. They were well aware of the Israeli military operation which had an effect on the conditions they were held in. We were afraid as we could feel the bombardment above us. It shook our beds. Sometimes our captors would lock us in and run away during those times. And perhaps the most astonishing testimony of them all was of a very surprising visit shortly after they were kidnapped. We walked a long time in the area of Khan Yunus until we reached a tunnel and then a large hall. The Hamas people seemed to be quite nervous and then Yahya Sinwar walked in. Speaking perfect Hebrew, he asked us for our names and then calmed us, added that nothing will happen to us here. A comment from the Hamas leader meant to reassure but was probably far from reassuring just part of what these hostages went through. Those still in Gaza, more than 160 hostages are still suffering. Here in the studio, we are joined by General Eitan Dango. Thank you very much for coming. Couple of hours ago, IDF actually accused the Hamas of somehow breaking the truce, the ceasefire. What happened there? Yes, we are talking about reporting of three events of ID with shooting on Israeli soldiers. There were some Israeli soldiers that were wounded as it calls light. But on the other hand, I think it's the first time during we start this ceasefire that we see action by Hamas that we estimate that it will come. Two things, first of all, it means that IDF, which deployed at the north part of the Gaza Strip, has to strength, is a lot and readiness towards education. It means that Hamas is using the time also to go where there is area. They can enter to places that were targeting buildings by IDF and store the charges they are putting there. And of course, collecting intelligence to plan their attack. And it can be even, in that case, worst activities by the Hamas. So IDF must keep alert and readiness and change immediately its action. As I estimate, IDF, I believe, together with the work cabinet, decided not to break what was agreed till now. I mean, now we are in the process of getting the next 10 kidnapped people to Israel and tomorrow also. But the great bad is if they're going to make another kind of situation like this, I think that it's very important to react and even to break for a while and to move to offensive activities because we cannot be under the rules that Hamas will try to make ceasefire with damaging or shooting the idea. Very, very delicate situation over there. Sensitive and beside it, we are aware about now efforts to lens or to make continuity of what agreed for the coming for today and for tomorrow. For another days, maybe we'll talk about it later. Yeah, we'll talk about that. Meanwhile, Guy, any progress there with the deal tonight? I'm still waiting for confirmation that they were transferred fully into the hands of the Red Cross and just to continue that conversation. Yes, there will be very difficult decisions to be made by the Mossad chief, Teddy Bornea, and that is, and we can see evidence of that when he makes a phone call with Netanyahu. And with the fact that CIA chief makes all the way to Qatar, there's something that the Americans and the Qataris want to build here, certainly in those two days of the extension, some trust has been built between these sides, certainly. Yeah, having said that, that is not enough for what the Qataris and the Egyptians perhaps suggest, which is stopping the war altogether for the release of the hostages. I think it has been built, but only by Qatar, Egypt, Israel, under the umbrella of the United States. This mechanism is working, I think, with rules that are respecting and giving evidence. The only side out, also a change. First of all, Qatar is the main to talk with the mind of Hamas, and even as the tools are... Mind and money, let's put it this way. Mind, I mean, Sinwa and the guys that are in Hanyunas or those who are locating in Doha. And Egypt is the power to now to threat Hamas about steps they can do that will make Hamas embarrassing inside the area, because Hamas needs Egypt now like an oxygen, and it strengthens them. But I think that the whole thing is bringing us to a goal of Hamas supporting by Qatar, because we have to remember all the time that Qatar is the country that was behind Hamas on building the power, and Qatar doesn't want to lose Hamas entity in Gaza. What is now going is to see how long as they can make the ceasefire in order to make stages like the next time will be men. After that will be female soldiers. After that will be men soldiers. What's in return? To come in the long term that in weeks to stop the war and to create some of agreement, because it means that Qatar and Hamas quite aware that the end story, the end game or the end warrior will bring us to break the entity of Hamas. And they are aware about the seriousness of Israel. On the other hand, Israel will be in a very sensitive situation of decision in such event. There will be a pressure from the United States. Will be a pressure from the international community. And even I can assess that it will be connected to the North to try to combine agreement with Hezbollah among the border in order to make the Israel that it will be worth for them. I think this junction will come in about 48 hours. And that will be the continuing or not continuing of this war. And beyond that pressure within Israel if what is on the table is the release of all the Israeli hostages, including the Israeli soldiers. And of course, Israel values human life more than its enemies. That will be the most difficult decision to make what the Israeli government has promised to its voters to the Israelis on the border versus the chance to save those human lives. It's an unbridgeable conflict here. On one hand, Israel wants the release of the hostages. All of them on the other hand, Israel cannot agree to any Hamas existence in Gaza. How do you make this work together? This is something that changing the situation with meeting points between the two goals of breaking Hamas on one end and returning with the hostages, the kidnappers, people on the other end. Now these points are getting distance each from other towards the continuing of this story. And I think that the weight on the shoulders of the war cabinet and supporting by the head of the security organization and looking also around the area that is looking on us. And for the most important thing is the citizenship in Israel, the population that has strong power to push the government to solve once and forever Hamas problem. It will be a very, very difficult scenario. All right, Eitan, thank you very much. We'll take a break now and we'll be right back with more special coverage here on I-24 News as another leg of the hostages release is taking place right now in Gaza. We'll be right back. Israel is in a state of war. Families completely done down in their beds. We have no idea where is she. As our soldiers are fighting on the front lines but the general perception is something that certainly needs to be fought as well. For special coverage here on I-24 News as we expect the release of more Israeli hostages tonight 10 children and mothers shortly. The process has begun already in the Gaza Strip. As Israeli hostages are being released Palestinian prisoners are being let out from Israeli prisons three times fold. I-24 News are also run as well as that. In the dead of night and for the fourth night in a row Israel released dozens of Palestinian security prisoners. We are free, it's true. We are happy now, but we want our freedom with the blood of martyrs. The blood of those martyrs is a debt owed by every prisoner and every free Palestinian and we will certainly not forget it. Shaban, a mother of four from the Janine area was serving a life sentence over plotting to pose as a pregnant Jewish woman and detonate a suicide vest. She was one of 150 women and minors released from Israeli jail since Friday as part of a ceasefire agreement with Hamas in exchange for 50 Israeli hostages held by Hamas and other terror groups in Gaza since October 7th. Like Mysuna Jabali sentenced to 15 years in prison after stabbing a soldier and seriously wounding her in 2015. God willing, all the prisoners will be released, especially those condemned to life sentences and all the others still inside. Others simply chanted in support of Hamas and the head of its military wing. Since October 7th, Israel has arrested over 3,000 Palestinian terror suspects in the West Bank. While the numbers change rapidly, it's believed that of the 7,000 security prisoners in Israeli jails, roughly 250 of them are minors and 80 are women. After Wednesday and the two-day extension to the ceasefire, Israel will have released 210 prisoners. That doesn't leave many women and minors left to release in exchange for over 140 Israeli hostages. When Hamas stops releasing hostages under the existing framework, Israel will return to realizing our three goals with full force, eliminating Hamas, ensuring that Gaza never again pose a threat to the people of Israel and, of course, releasing all of our hostages. And so, with the next group of 60 prisoners, including known teen Ahad Tameemi, set to be released over the next two days, Israel needs to prepare for the moment when it must decide whether to release more dangerous terrorists. 78-year-old released Israeli hostage, Ruti Mundar, recounts her experience in Hamas captivity. Take a listen. The three of us were together. It was the longest time I was together with my daughter and grandson in a closed and crowded place with each other. Held in a suffocating room, you were not allowed to open the curtains. We were not allowed. I just opened the window for some air. You wake up late. The boys went to sleep late. They were talking. The girls would sometimes cry. It was very difficult. We slept on chairs without mattresses. We covered ourselves with a sheet. That's all we had. Not everyone had a sheet. The boys slept under the benches on the ground because we wanted them next to us, so they won't be alone. These are just part of the stories. They are just emerging the past few days. With us now is Avi Kalo, former head of a hostage unit of IDF. Thank you very much for joining us, Avi. First of all, have you ever seen a hostage deal like this one? What's going on? No, I think it's an unprecedented one that we haven't seen in this scale. Not locally, not regionally, definitely not globally. It's something that we haven't seen in any, anywhere in the arena, including, you know, some half-terrorist areas like North Africa or other places in South America, but this one has no, no, any similar to what we've seen before. Yeah, they will study this for years to come, right? Exactly. It will be studied in the, I would say, in the schools for counterterrorism, but also in the schools for terrorism. Let's, let by Taliban or other, you know, extremists around the globe. It's a part, I believe, Jacob, it's a part of, and that's how the world should see this horrific, these horrific and something that should be a, a, a, a role model for a global Jihad, you know, I would say struggle globally. Now, we've seen four days of the first phase of the deal. Now, this evening, the starting of the second phase, but there are talks now about the longer period of time. How long this thing can go on for? Well, that's a great question. And obviously it depends on, on both sides, but we can see for now, Jacob, I think that we do see the joint interest that both sides have currently, meaning that Hamas, at first hand, is looking to counter any Israeli ground, maneuver, military ground on their own ground that really threatens its own existence. And on the other hand, we see Israel deeply interested in continuing and releasing all the hostages, not only minors and grown elderly, but also men and women, mid-agers, and obviously our soldiers as well. And as we progress and talk about soldiers and others, of course, the demands will get greater and greater on the part of Hamas that may include something that would be impossible for Israel to provide, such as ending the military operation. Exactly, they should be, the end game of the conflict probably should part between the areas of prisoners, a vast prisoners deal, as Hamas at least initially declared when the hostilities just started. And on the other hand, now we have the strategic, I would say, target of actually countering the operation, the fantastic one that the area is conducting currently in Gaza. So in this regard, it needs to balance between those two. It's possible to assess that both sides probably can meet somewhere in the middle, meaning moderate prisoners deal on one hand and on the other hand, probably might be ending the Israeli operation with no getting all the objectives that the government set at first. Obviously, we prefer to end this war by eliminating Hamas, but maybe at first stage, we need to rescue all the hostages at first. Yeah, Avikalo, thank you very much for that. That's a watch. Thank you. Let's go live now to Aiton Fornier, Zach Anders, who's standing by the Kerem Shalom crossing, expecting hostages coming through there tonight. What's the latest over there? Hi, good evening. We're seeing that the Egyptian reports suggest that this latest hostage exchange is in motion, that they are in route with the Red Cross. We're waiting for some of these early initial images to make their way to us so we can confirm this reporting out of Egypt. If this is in motion, like the last several days of hostage releases over my shoulder in the direction of Egypt, we will see a caravan of vehicles carrying these released hostages in our direction to the north, to hospitals, where they'll receive further care. They could also, like yesterday, be lifted in a helicopter from the Kerem Shalom crossing and taken directly to hospitals. We have not been told which will be used or utilized, and that has something to do with the conditions of these individuals once they're in Israeli care. That determination is going to apparently be made the moment that the Israeli IDF-supplied doctors and psychologists can get the first opportunity to evaluate their conditions and then make a decision there. We are not sure the timeline as to when they should be arriving to our location or to the Rafa crossing for that matter. It does appear though that they are potentially in motion. We're waiting for confirmation and that this is happening despite earlier today, a breach of the ceasefire with several exchanges taking place between the IDF and Hamas that in principle, the ceasefire does continue to hold and that this hostage release tonight is possible. All right, Zach, thank you very much. We'll get back to you, obviously, when they arrive. Guy, back to you here in the studio, more indications that things are moving. Yes, that report is still where we are with the report that, okay, some more. Is there any indications? Are in the hands of the Red Cross, okay. They were being transferred to the Red Cross. There's confirmation of that. From here, it should be a smoother transition to the Rafa crossing from there, meeting first Israeli representatives, make their way into the Kerim Shalom crossing. And then finally, in Israeli territory, they will be examined. The Israelis would make sure that the list is according to what was agreed upon. Right, so from Hanyunis. Yeah, from Hanyunis to the southern part to Egypt. So, 10 Israelis, presumably, in the hands of the Red Cross right now. That is the number we know the Israelis are in the hands of the Red Cross. The list that was agreed upon was 10 Israelis. 10 Israelis. It seems to work, Eitan, fifth day of really suspicion everywhere and mistrust and hatred, but it's working. I mean, the Qataris and the Egyptians and the Americans have pulled something off that may lead to a bigger deal. Yes, basically, it's working. You see that the results. Let's look. We say all the time that we are not believed, see till we see the people are coming to our land and we see these are the people that were in the list. And here and there, there was twice already a few problems on the second and the third shift, I think, but basically it's working. It means one thing. In this case, it means that Hamas has all the ambitions to continue with this procedure and it's serving Hamas. Because look, Yako, what is the goal of Hamas besides looking at the stop of the war? Hamas is, first of all, is fulfilled again. All their storages with food, with fuel, with everything. You see some signs on it in the picture, Hamas, our signal. Secondly, Hamas is doing reorganization in their military force and also estimate and trying to see what IDF is going to do, prepare their soldiers, give their people the time, also, of their organization. Because a lot of field commanders has been killed by the IDF during these kind of events. So Hamas is now preparing on one end. It's continuing on the second end the main efforts to stop the war. Just a very quick update, a Qatari report that there is an initial agreement on extending this pause for two additional days in addition to the two that have already been agreed upon. So two more days with 20 more Israelis to be released. So we are coming by it to the end, I think the end of the days that were agreed by Israel of continuing. Initially, 10 days, we did four plus another four. There'll be two more possible. So if you estimate, it means that this weekend will be the end of the 10 days, if you are looking on it. And it means that next week will be, what does it mean? It brings you, from my also experience and knowledge, the opportunity during the three days of the weekend also to try, it will be tried by the Qatarian Egypt in the United States above it to push Israel to agree about big scenario. But they want to do it back to back. They don't want to have two, three days of nothing, of vacuum. No, they want to do it back to back. And but I think they will make it on stages, I told you that first, first term or first flow will be the women. Second flow will be men. Third to end will be the soldiers. I guess we've also very important to ask Ilat Shalit or on Shaul and the two illegal prisoners that they are holding from 2014. Yeah, you mean the Golden and Shaul, yeah. So this will be their offer. And six more Thai nationals to be released today in addition to the Israelis. No, you're looking at the rough crossing between Gaza Strip and Egypt. That's where we expect the Red Cross to come with the released hostages. I want to say momentarily, but sometimes it takes longer than that. And actually, the number of Israeli hostages now is estimated at around 160. Qatar is saying that they don't even know the exact number. Take a listen. So regarding the estimate of the number of hostages, we have heard a lot of estimates from other sources, including Hamas on one side, Israel on the other side. But we cannot guarantee at the moment, we cannot validate any of these numbers. So what we can validate, or at least say with a degree of certainty, is that we have an extra number of 20 hostages that are ready to be released within this 48 hours. I cannot testify to any other number at this moment. However, the four days were used to increase the number of hostages that are identified by Hamas. And therefore, we reached this number of 20. We are hopeful that in the next 48 hours we will be getting more information from Hamas and the rest of the hostages. With us now is Dr. Nasir Alomari. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. How do you see the role of Egypt and Qatar in this ordeal? Thank you for having me. I think it's critical. I think this hostage exchange is positive. I think relief for the civilians is significant. However, I think the Biden administration and the Israeli government have to look at the political horizon at this moment. Are they looking to reestablish pre-October 7th situation or are they looking for a continuation of this war to end Hamas? I think that moment has come now. And the question is what can you possibly achieve militarily and what can you possibly achieve politically? So the political horizon is opening. And I think the Qataris and the Egyptians are critical to communicate to Hamas what can be done probably politically at this juncture when this war has poisoned the political atmosphere worldwide and it's making Biden's, Mr. Biden's job very difficult in the Middle East, even in the US. So the political horizon is opening but what will the Qataris and Egyptians be able to accomplish? I think that is still a huge question mark. Let me ask you about the motivations of these two countries. Qatar, for example, will be, will they be ready, for example, to accept more of Hamas leadership as they already did in a way? Well, they have always distanced themselves from the military wing and they are very clear that they don't have any communication with the military wing. Their relationship is restricted to having dialogue and hosting the political wing of Hamas. That is how they distanced themselves from what Hamas is doing. However, they have a critical role because Hamas trusts Qatar more than the trust Egypt. The Hamas believes that Qatar can probably negotiate well on their behalf. They don't trust the Egyptians as much. However, it's really hard to imagine any political resolution to this without the Egyptians. I think they play a critical role. So Qatar and Egypt will be significant players whether this war continues or it comes to an end. Yeah, so let's talk about Egypt. President Assisi spoke about the militarization of Gaza, for example, or a Palestinian state, whatever it includes Gaza. Will Egypt be able to push for that, to ensure that, to be engaged with that? Well, let's be clear first that Egypt and the ruling elite in Egypt right now, which is basically the military, are no friends of Hamas. They actually view them with suspicion and they attack them outside. They used to attack them openly as a terrorist organization. However, there's a nuance to the Egyptian position and that is without Hamas, there is a political and security vacuum that nobody else can fill at this point. And that is their nuanced position. They believe that Hamas can be is the most effective player. So if we're talking about stabilizing Gaza, it's really hard to do. And if you wanna do it in the next few weeks or months, it's really hard to think of any Palestinian entity that can play that role. So Egypt does not want Hamas to be a political player but I think they realize that that vacuum creates problems for Egypt, creates problems for Israel and the US and anybody who's interested in ending this war. All right, Dr. Nassir Alamari, thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. To the studio here, Mr. Dangot, the Egyptian role. How do you see this? Will they be able to pull off something long-term? I think that you see change on the processes that is running from the first day till now with the Egyptian role and the Egyptian policy as well. I felt at the beginning, sometimes between Israel and Egypt. Even Egypt ignored what happened. Egypt were very unsatisfied for what happened from the Israeli attacks and by the statement that came from Israel by some unresponsible people, even some political level, that point on Egypt as the next home for the Gaza people or for Hamas. And that is something that very, the Egyptian are very sensitive. The memories from 2013, after the revolution with Morsi, that Hamas played a very main role in Egypt on threatening the Egyptian tail security. Some of the Hamas people were arrested in Egypt and also they behave in Morsi, the beginning of Morsi time, like they are the owner of Egypt country. Secondly, Morsi himself, I was there in Cairo at that time. Now I can tell from my job as coordinator of government activities, I was invited by Morsi, minister of intelligence to talk about Gaza and they decided to close the gate between Rafah, the Muslim brothers with the Muslim brothers as they see. And of course, Sisi was very, very suspicious till today suspected in the Hamas about their activity. So these statements put Egypt very aggressive and Sisi released some statements against this kind of idea. Later on, I think it was balanced again and now Egypt is playing a very important role because they have a lot of impact on Hamas. They are the gate from Gaza to the world. They are the gate for the leadership of Hamas to the world. They have the underground activities to Hamas that are giving all the fuel and the other things that came illegal before and they have about the operative situation a very important task. Not as how Qatar is more on the policy that so today I think that Israel should continue all its steps and we very considering the Egyptians attitude and also another thing for Sisi it's very important under the American involvement to be a very, to play a very important role in this area now. Right, also guy, Secretary of State Blinken is coming here in a couple of days. I think that goes very well with the negotiations for that prospect of greater deals with the arrival of Bill Burns to Qatar. Obviously the Americans are extremely involved in every move of this war from day one with the visit of Joe Biden really unprecedented presence of the Americans, yes, Satan. I see him, you're right, but there is three angle arms of the American, the American from the beginning to control of this war. But you have Barnes that is going to Qatar. You have Blinken, you have a Amos action in Lebanon and you have Satterfield there with the PA. So they covered all the players from the Palestinian side. They are taking control and look. Wherever there is a sensitive point to take important decision, you see here Blinken or Biden himself when he come and is very deep involved. Blinken is coming towards the continuating of this process and it means the American from the beginning supporting and identified humanitarian issue and the release of the hostages as the main objective that they can stop with them the war. As for the Israeli hostages, they're still in the hands of the Red Cross waiting to be in the hands of the Israelis. What we can say about their identity at this moment is that all 10 of them are female hostages, all 10 Israeli female hostages. In addition to some, the number we're getting is six, maybe more Thai hostages that will be released this evening as well. Females but nonetheless children. A lesser number of children, I can say this. Now, there was a lot of debate about the many Israeli, the many children that are still being held by Hamas. I think the prime example is the youngest hostage, 10 months old, Kfir Bebas, together with his brother Ariel, four years old, Hamas claims to not have them in its hands claiming their RT hands of the Palestinian Liberation Front. You can cast a lot of doubts on that because I think this baby is a symbol, is a trophy for Hamas in this war and a psychological war against Israel holding on to this baby that everybody has his eyes on. Every Israeli prays for his return and we saw press conference of the family today, still no word on when will we be able to see baby Kfir back in Israel. Right, also there were claims by Israel that some mothers were missing from the deal, being left out and did not arrive yesterday. We'll see what's going to be with that. Same here, Hamas is playing all sorts of games with Israel in one case. Hamas claimed to not have possession of a certain mother. Well, when her daughter arrived back in Israel two days ago, she said she was held together with her mother for the entire duration of her captivity and she was only separated from her.