 Hello, everyone and welcome to another episode of the bro's I am the best guy ever The slime I can hear bubbling up deep within my veins Munchie. Oh, wow. What's now? the You know the stuff. Oh, wow. Oh, wow We've got Tom Tom Oliver. I I I'm here Good, we've got it. Oh Okay, we've got letharora mage. There's a cat on my table. So excuse any cat noise. No Furry Yeah, yep, yep and Begin the pussy jokes and the digital bro boy. There he is. Hey, I'm here I'm trying to recover my mind after a really intense 420 celebration slash Evan Gilley on viewing party. Oh God It was it was 420 yesterday. Yeah, indeed. It was indeed it was That's Did you see that thing that I tweed you a clip from our machine with con 3 with a filter over a digi? Yes, I saw I saw that I saw that It's looking good But what else where are they? Where can we find the animals? What are the culture? What can we learn from them? You can find a little animal over on Dictionary urban dictionary.com. You know Did hear dictionary dictionary urban was my favorite Like child detective novel as it said on the mean streets of New York where dictionary urban you guys you guys know what I'm fucking talking about Yeah, there was there was a cryptic. I remember that. Yeah from that ancient children's bookstore There was a lots of mysterious clues left about Dipping to the whip and I had to open up my dictionary urban and find out what the fuck was going on in there Listen, this is terrible. Let's Is Nate is Nate breaking up or do my headphones just suck dick No, they were like 30 bucks and they're garbage anyway, let's just I'm derailing Let's fucking get in that urban dictionary the interest for the audience has been has been doing the PCP just by turning his speakers real low This is higher time. I've just been turning my speakers really low so that there's my mic doesn't pick us up as an echo And it's worked and it's worked brilliantly You know you none of you knew challenge none of you knew I fooled you all you're not wrong Alright, here we go urban dictionary.com. It's furries guys furries. So here is the top definition of furry All right, here we go. This is this is a this is a fucking literary piece on this furry I got a little piece for you There is no one single definition of what a furry is even within the furry fandom People cannot always agree on just what makes a person a furry or not Okay, so this guy's breaking it down some would argue that to be a furry You must think and talk like one ie use furry specific words and phrases Even if you go to conventions wear a food fursuit draw the art write the stories, etc But don't talk okay furry lingo This is one of those things where only within that community would they even with there even be a question Yeah, like for any outsider, it's just like do you have any interest whatsoever in watching like animalized? You know, it's like my it's like my old stand-by. It's like it's like it's like I always say, you know I may you know, I may be attracted to robots, you know have had sex with a robot Fucked a robot in its tailpipe, you know be married to a robot and be exclusively interested in robots sexually But at least I'm not a goddamn People I scroll down and like so many of these definitions of furry are like incredibly extensive on Urban Dictionary Because they're all in there trying to do PR damage control A constant state a decades-long state of society why damage control yeah There's a simpler one here that I just skipped some of these are short listen furry Simply one who has interest small or large of Anthropomorphic anthropomorphic animals animals who have animal colonies be it simply talking or having a human-like body That's a little bit and the next one is still in the same one It says one who has interest in anthropomorphic animals does not mean wanting to have sex with them What what what do you mean? It doesn't they don't want to have sex though. That's wrong This is just incorrect. Well, this guy is saying that that's not necessary It's like saying it's like saying that bronies don't want to fuck show people It's the exact same correlation. The word same thing is like bronies. Don't clop. It's not sexual What are you talking right now? As hard as it is to believe this is an extremely poorly worded entry on Urban Dictionary To say that it does not mean wanting to have sex with them It like implies that it means inherently a furry does not want to have sex when the fact is it like you can or cannot Like it doesn't it doesn't define whether or not you're though. I don't is that true. Is that true? Yeah, of course is what true their first you don't want to have sex with animals Do the furries exist who go to conventions wear fur suits, but have no desire Yes, okay, I'll bet I'll bet that the proportion of asexuals in the furry community is Astronomical I don't believe in asexuals, but okay Go on. Okay. Let's say our stance Because you heard me yes, you may think What if you just Nate that doesn't make any sense, but okay, I think everyone who says they're asexual is fooling themselves What about what I think what if you don't have sex then then what what what's your counter argument to that? Are we describing it as a thing that you do or like a state of mind like a like a personality trait? Well, I'm talking about. Oh fucking people who don't want to have sex don't exist. I mean Are we talking about literally munchie? Okay? We'll get back to this. We'll get back to the asexuality question Let's all right Munchie you have some experience with furries in the world. I do tell us tell us that your tail And mind your words I will my it's my angle that will be integral to this entire episode my here's my position Furries were a joke. They were just a fucking meme that you would punctuate friendly conversation with your friends with It would be like, oh, you know, I'm getting a sick frag. I'm killing a zombie right through his goddamn head Oh, this is just like what I would do to a furry if I were to see him on the streets And and it was a great time It was it was it was an excellent time and then and then due to due to circumstances too unlawful And sinful to to recreate or reproduce with my words I was thrust into a situations where I would be able to not not be able to I was forced to examine furry culture and lifestyles unlike a every other day basis And it made me realize wait a second furries are real And not like a fictional construct made to make other people laugh at what furries are And so I had to like examine the furry culture for a while on twitter on on twitter I made a tweet about how I was going to try and become a furry and by that And I just meant join furry discords and see what they do not to bully not to bully But to understand, you know, like like what's this all about what's going on here? And I have come back with the data the data is That I am a fucking genius and that furries are all terrible except for the first that are great Which are all of them because all furries are great and I'm a fucking faggot except for the ones that are shit And I'm so conflicted and nuanced. I'm so nuanced kill me I wanted I just want to go back to furries being jokes. I wish they were jokes again I don't want to think about them. This guy got this guy got nuanced out the ass. This guy got it was achieved maximum over nuance I got strapped in nuance. I can't even I I I begged my fucking daddy not let me walk and he lowered me up with his nuanced knowledge. That's what's fucking happening right now So Yeah, needless to say like, uh There's a thing's going on. There's things going on these days is as society progresses And more degenerate elements of society are able to survive on the backs of people who can actually do things with their lives Uh, like like all this kind of shit is just getting more and more prevalent. You know, uh, what's what's the deal? How do we how do we end them once and for all? Let's go through all our stances. I mean, I mean do you all you guys all have the lay queries are bad No, I but a little bit. I'm pretty no but kind of ambivalent my my position is pure ambivalence I don't I don't Care for it too much and in fact I find a lot of the aesthetic to be pretty Pretty unappealing Like like I've I've seen I know people who are furry So I've seen lots of art and like how can you not see furry art when you're on the internet? And like I'm definitely much more and like not into it sexually at all obviously But but in terms of like the aesthetic of like anthropomorphized animals I definitely swing more towards like I like the like Disney sort of thing Where it's like like the classic Disney movies where they add like humanoid Features to animals, but like the weird like furry art where it's like a human with like paws That like creeps me out when like it's getting uncanny valley. Yeah, I was talking about like So so you prefer that that like lion king moment where nala looks at simba. Oh, so sexually Oh, yeah, that's fun. Lion King's not even a furry movie. They're just animals Yeah, well, that's the thing is where's the that's a good question. Does it Right, I mean, I mean literally your movie sucks Like that's his third favorite movie on the basis of he wants to fuck scar So like I would say it's a furry movie on someone wait. Wait. Why no, it might be a movie with furry appeal It might be a movie with furry appeal But those characters are saying the lion king YMS considers that his third favorite movie Out of his desire to fuck. Well, you know, unlike yms. Why why is the biggest story in the world Before he is a uh before you know hit hitler liked painting. That doesn't mean that painting is a nazi thing You know what i'm saying? Yeah Just because yms likes to fuck scar doesn't mean I can't also want to fuck scar Yeah, you know, yeah, it would not be could not be labeled a damn dirty furry You know, all right get ready for get ready for this hot jojo reference It's like just because kira from part four of jojo finds the Mona Lisa's hands incredibly sexual Well, I mean no, not really It's just that like the the bad guy does find a Mona Lisa's hands like overtly sexual and arousing But that doesn't mean that like it's an erotic image inherently like this is him bringing that to the table Sure, you know, you can you can convert anything to any degree if you try hard enough people people have their you know sexual All right, all right guys indeed We're kind of getting we're getting off when are we going to get poly Procrastinators, when are you gonna get like like like like game like polygrams? No, like like procrastinators Born and shipping subreddit. That's what I know. Oh, you mean like between us. Yeah Oh Right now. Yeah, I've done it. I should hasn't happened to you have set it in motion We're not our anonymous sexy. We're we're losers you guys I don't know what you're talking about You know gay Okay, okay. Here are some facts 99 of all procrastinators fans are transsexual Another one percent are gay. There are no other Yes That is truer Like like you say that as a joke, but yeah, it's true. No, that's actually the truth. Yeah, I know I know I mean I mean, I'm sure there's there's a lot of trans people. No, no 99% and 1% those are the only those are the only percent, you know, they're around which they're Strange why why we would choose to be you know, you know, I'm so I'm just so glad that the privileged class of trans of trans women have you know Have thrown their lot in and as as allies of the you know of the downtrodden pcp, you know, we need Of the of the famous alt-right You know, it shows a lot of magnatomy Well, all right, we're having a great time Well, it's a cease stop that We got to talk about All right. Uh, yeah, yeah, let's let's continue this Expressing our general thoughts on furries. So here's my thing and this will not surprise anybody, but I Everyone anyone who's like judgmental of what somebody is into sexually can just fuck off and die I actually am probably way more I wouldn't say that I'm pro furry, but I'm 100 pro freedom to do whatever the hell you want to do Pro bestiality Unironically, uh, there's uh, there is an argument to make there I suppose, but uh, I am like a pure furry b-ball I'm a pro b-ball. I know you guys on several some people here. I don't remember exactly who have argued with me I've debated that like yeah, if you're like a furry Uh, and you go to conventions dress up in a fur suit like okay Like that's a little strange to me Like it's not something I would do but as long as you continue to be a productive human being And it's like something that you do just out of fun Then I don't see a problem But if you stop being productive If you put that pick down and stop mining for slime, then you're going Well, if you if you start to become like, uh, if you start to be like a dependent and you start to like Be like, oh no, I need to spend all my money to like make myself Feel okay about the fact that I'm a furry by getting like increasingly elaborate fur suits or buying all this porn supporting these artists So of course mom and dad I need you to pay my rent for me so I can like I'm not saying that furries do this But like if somebody has that attitude about anything that's a problem I I should that's not a furry problem. That's being a broken irresponsible human being. Okay. Okay. This is the thing All of my complaints with furries are all in character for me and not relate to like the core of what a furry is Nothing has to do with like the animal side of it. It all is in character complaints that I've complained about in other situations before That all culminate in this fandom and it's not inherent to all members of the fandom But but why should we ignore? Why should we ignore outliers? Why should we ignore the face of fandom? Why should we it's the same that's an excellent point and like, you know For example, bronies as a group as a movement get lambasted because many of them Maybe not even a majority, but many of them are obnoxious and annoying So like in the same way, like have you seen foam adventure that famous? That's a legendary video. I wish I liked I wish I liked anything I wish I liked anything as much as they liked their foam I was a little It's just it's just the if you haven't seen it it would probably be in the show notes But like it's just it's a it's a day adventure of two furries going out to get foam In order to make fursuits when they when they come back home. Is that what it was for? Yes, I thought they just wanted to like roll around on it. No, no, no, it's for fursuit. That was just a side benefit Okay, so they needed and uh needed it for something. Well, all right And like they don't like do they don't hurt anybody. They're they're not really that annoying It's just when you just when you witness this little slice of their lives and you imagine being like Within three feet of them. It's just like oh no Imagine imagine living like this or adjacent to this But the thing is though with me. I i'm not trying to land best furries or anything It's just that like a lot of it just seems childish to me. It seems very like whimsical like yeah, we're gonna do like crazy Okay, okay. I completely greening. Does anyone else want to fucking give their stance? Does anyone fucking? Yeah, yeah, does anyone care? Okay, yeah, what do you think did you um Well as as we were all in the brony community Obviously, there's plenty of overlap between that and the furry community. Yes, and uh You know, I I know a whole bunch of people from that community who are furries especially from being on the pub crawl because like pub crawl has always been Like a on some on some level somehow. It's always been a furry show. I feel like Like I didn't know that okay I mean like cider is heavily affiliated with the furry community and a lot of the guests we had on there It would be into that stuff and because like the nature of the show early on was we got shit faced and talked about like weird Um like laws and stuff like we were always talking about things like what animals are surprisingly legal to fucking what states? Or uh Gee that's not a red flag that it's a furry show. I don't know And I mean obviously we well, I mean during the pub crawl we would have somebody in the chat who just would Routinely every show would just constantly post pony porn You know and like we were all okay with that because we saw it as like this is a real outsider program here Like this is not you know, we're not expecting anybody who can't handle pony porn to be listening to the fucking pub crawl Which was like a 2am show on an obscure pony network, you know, but like As a result, I ended up talking to you know, just like hearing second hand And it's amazing how much of it is just like To me furriness There's like a whole culture is next to godliness, you know, it really is there's definitely like I think to them they are almost another Well another species in a way, but like more like another race of people like they like furries act the way that like You know when you go to like a rest like an asian restaurant or something And like the family who runs the place are all like talking in chinese and making fun of you because you can't speak chinese That's how I feel around furries is like they've devised their own language And they're kind of like making fun of every like, you know, there's like whatever we're over here Like we're using our language so you guys can't understand us or we're like in our own other world, you know But like it's mostly a sex thing So what you're telling me digi is that so these people are not exactly human and my loyalties are intense But extend only to human so and since they're furries and they identify outside the normal human spectrum They're they're more bestial. They wouldn't mind. They wouldn't object if I put them down like a dog is what you're telling me On the kink, I guess I certainly wouldn't mind So but there is a distinction to be or I mean I'm asking I guess because I I'm not really an expert I furry, yeah Furry is not equal to otherkin is not equal to like someone who's into bestiality Yeah, if we if we're if otherkin if otherkin's part of this that just I mean so many memories So many memories of trolling otherkin It was a great time in my life That that's like, I mean, I I I don't I mean, I imagine that the otherkin percentage number is higher in the furry fandom though It's not an integral part. There was the time There was the time I pretended to be the meta the metatron like reincarnated and talked about gaining literal superpowers And was like, hey guys, I'm gaining literal superpowers because my angelic power is manifesting. There was a time I was a mind flayer There was the time I was a mind flayer There was the time that I was the spirit of my own fat And I was also a feeder who was determined to become as fat as possible Because I identified so strongly with the snow. It was on like otherkinforums.com or whatever it was back in like 2010 Damn Under me, I don't particularly like them especially like fictional other And like there's like the subculture of people who take other people's osees and kin with them There's there's copyright issues there like that guy gotta pay to play like that guy who was kin to like that one Digimon character from season two like the blue haired guy That's not even like that's like kining with a show But like I mean like taking people like such as like let's say me or like any other creator that they don't have anything You know published or whatever. They're just one person on the internet. They take their character and they kin with them Well, now mage is your is your complaint there on more of a uh, I don't know I'm not trying to dig into it But like is it is it more of like a like a this is your character What right does this person have to like define themselves by a character that frankly they don't even know Because it's not their character like why would they do that or does anyone ever really know anyone? It's kind of like that but also like my characters are in a way Also a small extension of myself like you don't necessarily represent myself They might not have anything in common with me But they are a part of me like I put a little bit of myself in them You know and like then sure someone takes my character and then assumes them and then like So if someone if someone kins to a character of yours that is an extension of you That's basically rape at that point. So we gotta we gotta tip down on this across the border literally literally Yeah, you're right. It just makes me really uncomfortable like it hasn't happened to me But it has happened to a few artists I follow and it's just like the thought idea is just is just really uncomfortable to me I mean that that's a fair point But aren't there people who other kin as like not even like dead people but living people like I personally am a kanye west Can I feel I feel you know A con can for sure Like if I if I bought into the whole kin thing I don't understand people who kin with people who are still alive because I thought the whole idea is like reincarnation or whatever Yeah, I don't understand. Well, maybe maybe these people don't believe in the linear progression of time So that being said they could be a reincarnation I just like how there's theories that every electron in the universe is the same they must be adherence to my uh To my famous church of transubstantiation wherein a single spirit is reborn throughout time and space as every individual living thing that ever existed Time means nothing to a transubstantialist Like you know Mages right if that's true, then we're all just kin of everybody and that's oh my god. Yes, it's true. It's true Yes, we're all kin. We're all At that point Ben, it's not other kin. It's every kin. We are the we are the omni kin Oh, yeah, is the word for this but you're not that's the that's the name That's the name for this one universal spirit that reincarnates. It is the omni kin because it is came to all fictional and non-fictional life wait wait wait stop, but you've crossed the line. No No, we're going right in this train all the way to the station Well, I guess I guess if we include the multiverse theory as a part of that then it is literally every character And of course we do of course Nothing's fictional. So If you can be kin with anyone that you want that's ever existed Yeah, and so you shall and so it shall be amen Well, okay. All right. Let's let's focus back on furries Now I want to ask like so We said before there is a distinction between a furry and like an other kin But like what what what is going on with a furry who dresses up in a fur suit? Like what is what's going on there? What's the deal? You gotta be more they would like to have sex in the suit made of fur Is that because they feel like they are that creature or is it that they just like to pretend? I mean there is a difference there Oh, I think like I know a few people and Like from them personal experience nothing all furries, but from them is just it's kind of like cosplay in a way Did you see the dress up and you know go to convention and have a good time? But that makes sense to me I I scoffed at this as you should scoff at this because I I have a small sample source and I don't even believe what I'm about to say But I have been told that it is a sort of Performance art in the sense that they assume a character And then they portray this character at conventions. It's not inherently a sex thing There are actually different types of fur suits that are If you were to watch the footage of uh Like yms will go to furry conventions and like just take a bunch of footage and post it on his side channel And uh, yeah, like the fursuiters always seem to be putting on like a cool cat-esque like character of like Over-the-top, you know like kids show. Hey, I'm a big fursuit, man Like we're gonna run this convention and it's gonna be a great Are you saying that yms is attracted to cool cat? You know I never made that connection Like it does not look too different from your normal fursuits Well, I know that yms identifies as a horse, but he is interested in like big cats Wait, what? Yeah, this is some deep lore that I'm not aware of. Well, that's fine I mean, this is all very strange, but like I just want to like Like all the weird porn I watch is pretty strange too. So I I don't know In no way am I trying to disrespect adam or like anybody who's a furry out there. It just I only know all these things because I like part of why I got into yms Was that I was really fascinated that he was an openly gay furry and willing to talk about it Like very matter-of-factly like yeah, why the fuck do I care? And I was just like are there any other big name furries out there? Who else is a representative of a community? And I can't I can't think of any like respectable. I can't think of any I know, I mean, yeah, I have lots of friends who are in the furry community And people who are like, I know but nobody who's like giant Nobody who's as big as That's why I guess I guess I guess all the big all the big furries are just big in their little pond I I I want I want I need I feel like I feel the need to separate church and state you're real quick because Okay, if we if we I just want to put the kibosh on this real quick being a furry is not Inherently mean that you are sexually attracted to furry creatures now on that side. No, that's not a huge part Right, but I just feel the need to separate that because I have no problem with the sexual component of it Okay, I'm gonna level with you real quick if furries were just a cult of of red robed, you know Luminati fucking, you know burning man type cultish freaks whose soul You know a tenet of their of their personality and religion is that they love to fuck like turtles I would have no problem my my my problem and when I should specify my problem is my my specific I don't like them opinion opinion like danger like red alert police sirens opinion Uh is with their culture and their culture is truly disgusting to me for in-carriage reasons That have been honed outside of the furry fandom. Yeah We've been we've been magnanimous and and dancing around the issue, but let I want to get into the shit I want to wait I wanted to bring up it was funny that munchie mentioned uh burning man because dick always tells us uh dick Of the dick show it tells the story of uh Going to burning man and going to see the furry tent and it was like the only one that was like this fully realized like Almost futuristic like technology tent where they had like built an entire hut with like tv And they'd gotten cable and shit out there like it was just an orgy dome Like it was just a place where they like literally would just have a gigantic furry orgies However, they had the best and like most fully realized tent at burning man because The furries are are are geniuses and uh I I really do think that furries first I don't know what the connection is there seems to be some connection between furries and engineering and like that Yes, I've noticed this too because because the suits maybe because they're complicated I I think it's probably just they're both things that nerds do So I am that's definitely a huge part of it and I had to tell you I was just at this convention called um Called tora con which is that the rochester institute of technology really huge engineering school That's been around for for like a hundred years or something However, they've been around forever. They have they're you know, fairly prestigious But they have a gigantic anime convention like a 3,500 person con at the school And it's because the school has enough of a weeb population That there's not only nearby the best manga store I've ever been to with it like a block away from the school Um, one of the best tabletop game stores. I've ever seen in my life like within a block of the school like Everyone at the school is a fucking nerd And while we were there not only are there furries in fur suits all over the school like like think about this These people go to school here Like almost everybody at this convention is somebody who goes to school here And yet they are willing to walk around in fur suits like in front of everyone They know because the school Is just so full of nerds and there's such a huge furry population Well, that's true. I mean they were all hanging out just among the crowds like We're talking about a school that has like like uh, like diversity and inclusion like messages everywhere But the moment that really got to me was even like we're at a convention and there's furries everywhere Whatever, but I saw that this they were posters up for a cosplay Formal dance This school has cosplay formal dances and it depicted in the picture like to to like a couple of like anime drawn characters like In in you know gowns like dancing and they both have cat or they both have tiger ears Because the school's mascot is a tiger. So all of their like branding They just have like anime characters with tiger ears as like their mascot characters That's cute. So it's just a furry school. It's basically what i'm saying. I went out to a furry school Here's a question. Um, if I uh, if I own a local coffee shop and I observe a pack of furries walking into my establishment Here's my question If I refuse to serve them and demand they leave immediately, uh, because they're creeping out me and everyone else around me Not that this has happened. I'm just saying in a hypothetical Uh, is it a human rights issue? Yes, of course Well, here's but but they are not human. They are subhuman you might say these are furries. They do not you know, they don't fit Uh, that's that's my joke. Okay. That's the whole extent of it. All right, but anyways What were we getting into here? Oh, yeah, munchie munchie was gonna was gonna go into his I want to give one final last disclaimer not for the audience But for you guys because I've I have been trying to be you know You know passe and be nuanced and be you know You know, you know, I'm trying to put on the kid gloves and say, you know, you know I'm trying I've been trying to defend furries. I will continue to defend furries But make no mistake all of you are fucking idiots because I hate furries more than you could ever ever possibly understand And I hate them for for for nuanced and on point reasons My reasons are on fucking the furries are calling right now, dude. They've got a problem with this They they want to talk to the manager the phones are ringing off the hook So while you guys are being like, oh Fucking aren't whales gross or fuck you if you'd like horses I'm over here with the real fucking raw actual shit point one of why you would actually hate furries A.k. It's my opinion and I'll have like a reveal later and it will be narratively catharsis And coon coon's work point number one. Uh, okay This obviously the sex and not as in like not not as in the like, you know, I want to fuck a horse That's completely fine. That's completely fine. Go go at them. Where I dislike is the openness I'm gonna coin this term. Uh, that will be used at the entire thing Unearned smothering kinship. So this is unearned smothering kinship where when you were a part of the community Keep in mind. I've prowled furry forms, you know, I've brought the work. I've done the fucking work This is true. The furio stereotype is not inaccurate and it is true The the the sense of like it's it's like the bin and jackie college fund you enter you you enter Everyone's super nice. Everyone's super like oh, no, like touchy and like feel like another and everything soft And it's it's this feeling that I've described over and over again throughout this podcast It's when you're in bed in your end your in bed. It's winter You want to get nice and cozy and after a while and you're in your hop and you're like this is too hot This is too much. Like I I need to get I don't think covers. I need to be cool I can't be in this fucking softy this fucking touchy this feely to opens to open my fucking grill This codling fucking overheating a din the cesspool of sex and fucking villainy the openness that these people have To do to do lewd and perverse and and not even just like strictly destructive, but like like Nay, I think I'm trying I'm struggling to come with the words But let me you understand like like how niceness I know exactly what you're talking about and well the the problem with the the The problem with communities of inclusivity is that to some degree humans are both physically and mentally We're designed to be beasts of burden and we are expected to have psychological loads And not have just everybody say how great and wonderful we are all the time We're pack hunters Well, whatever We fall under many umbrellas here But but here's my point like the reason I Prefer to hang out in communities that are like overtly in the opposite direction like on 4chan where everyone is incredibly vicious And cruel to each other It's because I just see more Like usefulness to come from that as opposed to people just placating me all day about like you're perfect Just the way you are there's no need to improve like and like there's an that's of course important in some measures Like we want to not shame people for just being weird or different But to say that like every choice back to how much we hate furries Being a furry is a fine thing to do But if you walk around in a fursuit and people know who you are all I'm saying is I am not casting judgment But I am telling you there will be social ramifications of doing so. Yeah, you'll have a lot of great sex with like-minded furry people That's that's what you have to look for too Did you speak on the subject because I want to know if you're yeah, I mean more on the openness about the sex thing That's what I care. It's like really it's really Yeah, it's intense like Furries because of the fact that they have that culture of like understanding each other I guess um, yes, like It's the over the window dude It's because it's because they can do you know It is definitely over to the windows. Yeah, they're all freaks and and and they allow themselves to do degenerate things And so the overall like, you know, how how much can you touch your friend? How how much, you know, how much weird flirting Can you do let me tell you all dialogue all dialogue between furries Flirties between furries Is flirty it's all it's all yeah in my experience that is true Kitty and flirty Yo, yo, let's listen to this. Okay. Here's here's the real shit There's a word that I think that has been lost to to the ages a little bit And I think it is such an important word. I don't maybe people would disagree But the word is classy I like things that are classy and you know what in my humble opinion What is not classy is like talking overtly about sex open like you're involved with it all the time Digi like bring up sex when it's not relevant and like like it's it's you you are allowed to do It you are it's fine. It's not a problem, but I don't want to hear about it I'm not interested in how much sex you are having like the weird things you get up one time Like a neighbor of mine when I was growing up like I asked her for a ride home Just told me like I can't give her a ride home. I'm going to a threesome that happened to me in my real life I would have said the same damn thing if I was going to a threesome I mean that was totally fine. But like you got to think what was she trying to do She was like trying to like shock me or something because she knew I was a fucking gay ass twink Like she could have said I'm just busy. She chose to tell me she's going to a threesome She wanted to brag about getting to go to a threesome Don't get me wrong. That's totally fine. And I again, I respect her right to do so All I'm saying is classiness her classiness took a hit when she told me that that's that's that's all I'm saying I have no attraction to to the classiness that you speak of I can tell I know I just I don't if you're But it comes to like sexual stuff. I feel like I mean you I know you agree with me that like We need to be more open about sexuality for our for our culture's sake And I don't like I do think that maybe the furries are like an overextension of that And I'm sure that has to do a lot with the fact that there's probably a fucking Near one-to-one autism ratio in the community I've done the numbers. It is high. It is not more than half, but it is high I am on Nate's side. Like I don't I don't like on solicited tmi about your sex life Well, did did you is right though? I I definitely agree that I think society as a whole will be better off once we're at this place But it's just that it's just that right now Was like there is a difference in your face about it I mean that that's true. I mean I like if if we lived like like fucking star trek for example Like there are just planets you can go to like on earth like people are relatively conservative about these things But if you go to like literally like the sex planet in star trek like it's like then you just talk about fucking anything You want all the time. I'll say that it's If there is let's say a furry convention and the furry convention is just a big orgy I'm okay with that because it's just a bunch of furries like everyone's going there knowing what it is There is definitely something weird about for instance at brony con where Every year I would hear that there is somewhere a brony con orgy Like every year at brony con and some hotel room nearby a bunch of furries get together and have a huge orgy And this is like this is something you hear about like floating over the crowds at brony con And you see people you see furries like you know In fursuits with shirts like down to yiff and shit like that Like it's brazenly sexual on some level and then you're like but this is a my little pony convention We're like, you know, there's also six-year-old girls around and it's like, okay Did you do a certain there are also there are also six-year-olds at furry conventions Well, I mean, okay, you're not wrong. I want to speak on some six-year-olds are furries and want to get it Not that orgy There's definitely some crossover between like for example, like the gay rights movement and stuff because like a lot of it It's about like being proud of who you are and like not allowing society to like shame you and repress you But like I mean, you know, again, there's a context for everything and there's degrees of doing different things And like if you're at like a gay pride parade Like there's kind of you're making a statement if you just like make out if you're a guy and you're gay And you just make out with a dude publicly and it's like sloppy and just like just celebrating Being gay like that actually has kind of like some utility It's like you're like challenging social norms and stuff. It's so like I get it I mean and you know now it's legal. So like things have changed and it's starting to get a little passe So how about we shut the fuck up about that? It's like taking pot shots at all the fucking quote-unquote repressed groups So he's just like I got I got a really black I am currently defending all of them by saying that I totally understand the desire to like Feel that you can express your sexuality just in general And I think I think just that leads to a little bit of overcompensation is all I'm saying I again like I agree. I think there's there's a lot of like I feel shame So I'm going to hyper like accentuate this in response, which is logical to a degree. Sure I think that the same time though that becomes I don't want to say that's where the stigma comes from though Right. You're you're you're you're you're being more comfortable in of yourself and you're probably winning allies But you're also creating enemies you wouldn't otherwise have at the same time. That's true There's a difference. There's a there's a big social problem with confusing tolerance with like acceptance Like like people tolerate things even though they don't like them and that's what we should aim for Everyone you don't have the right to be loved by everybody. Well, that's for sure And there's a huge difference between fighting for tolerance and fighting for being loved And I feel like a lot of people have that problem right right now I still get shit occasionally. This is pretty rare for me But you're like people will At me and like give me shit about the fact that I even liked my little pony at all Despite like never being in any way like a creep or like weird about it I simply like a show and because it's associated with like things happening with other people elsewhere You know even maybe touching into the furry community to some degree obviously like then that There's just there's a social miasma that just swirls around these things Uh, and I mean it's around every community, you know, there's there's bad things about every single community Which is why I'm so anti-identitarian and I think everyone should just be their individual self I be judged on their own merits. Yeah, this will be a thing leader Word to all viewers You you you may like think uh these fucking guys What the fuck are they talking about? They just don't want people to be nice to one another in their own fucking discord service What's in her new guys? Well, that's the thing you fucking dumb ass slut you Drink up come you fucking bitch Is because I have opinions and I have been forced to think about my opinion on this subject As you all know in a little podcast named arm or fucking trevill I discussed extensively how much I dislike the characters for exhibiting overly sexual and creepy disgusting perverted Dialogue constantly without any respite and how I dislike the overall, you know Jovial and cheerful and you know hug boxy nature of the characters in that So don't you come fucking tell me that this is some like, you know, oh, I'm just hanging furries for no fucking reason Ah, my son's a fucking fur and he's taking ten cocks up the ass. You know what the fuck you're talking about Well, you know what maybe I don't but am I not allowed to feel things am I not allowed to have a soul am I not allowed to have my heart sing All right. Well, what else you got much? What's what's point two here? All right, maybe I want to say something Well, I actually wanted to sort of shift the topic about your opinion about like personas and stuff Yes. Yes. Oh, I would love to get in this please please I oh like specifically would you guys like to have personas or just Uh Wait wait in mage in your own words, please define a fursona. Well, basically you but as like an anthropomorphic animal We literally all have those because we were all we all have brony so I kind of I kind of like Put the brony part away from the furries. I have I have no interest in doing that Specifically with like an anthro animal man man boy or I mean it's just like what what what is the end game of having a fursona If you just really like And you want to be a person. It's just natural. It's just I think it's just a way of participating in the community Like the same reason we all had horse characters. Yeah, that's that's true. It's the exact same I did like some sketches like a way way back ago before before months She was even born Of like several of us members as like animal characters like I think yeah, that was for an rpg that we were gonna do Yeah, yeah, I I was a spider lady and yeah, that was great. I remember those Well, okay, but you're calling it fursona to me. It's almost like just like Fan art of a sort, you know In a certain way I think a huge part of the existence of fursonas has to do with the fact that like Fur affinity and like artwork is such a big part of the the furry community And so people just kind of have a character so that there is a vessel to Have art like like yms for instance will regularly buy commissions of just his like other artists He likes drawing his horse character and since You know commissions they can charge Whatever they want if it's a good enough artist. So Like these people are willing to pay to have their fursonas So like it's just kind of a part of the culture is like this this weird Dropping all your money on like bronies were like this too. This is also part of Furrows or other level are like they just spend lots and lots of money And I do think there's an element of like a I think a lot of like well bronies tend to be like Furries have this kind of like disposable income. That's what I'm saying. Sure. I want to stress That I have literally seen a person on tumblr That like is poor and could barely pay rent by 80 dollar commissions like like he spent literally literally like all of his money all of his written money I'm not fucking joking like seriously What would you say what would you say to someone who came back with this like someone who's maybe like a member of The trans community and would say that like but munchie. Don't you see he needs to invest at least maybe that's too much money But like he he feels like like he doesn't belong in his body and he feels like he needs to be depicted As this persona in order to feel okay about himself. I don't think that's what that's not the point of them But I would say no, no, that's not at all the point. Maybe that's the 10th thing I think that what what munchie is describing with this guy. This is something I've seen a lot of which is just Some people get locked into pleasure spending and fucking literally just spend all their goddamn money And it's a big thing in these communities like my uh my ex-girlfriend was not really a furry But she was big into like buying plushies on deviant art And like literally would just like spend all her fucking money on that and then ran out of money And like had no money anymore because she would drop like 500 dollars on a plushie Like a custom made etsy plushie like every fucking week And uh, eventually you don't have money anymore. So that's what happens It's advice like anything else Yeah, go on munchie go on did you side topic real quick? I was really listening to the horse caster for various reasons and in the first episode like 20 minutes in you're just like Hey, can I just like bring my ex-girlfriend into the call and just was like, uh Okay, and then she's just there for the rest of the episode. Is that just like in the background Striving in damn. I never noticed that I must have not listened to that one very funny. Uh, very fucking funny Uh, well, I think I made my point So, I mean well, well, I was gonna say was like you could I that is a good point digi I totally think that's a reasonable thing to say. It's just like I don't know what I said You that was like a pet like none of what you just said Would would reconcile with the thing that I had said like no no Well, I mean no that's what I'm saying It's like what what I'm saying is like the most defensive position that like someone who's like trying to like explain this behavior Is like a necessary thing somebody needs to engage in no, no, I'm not trying to say that at all I'm just saying that some dumb mother fuckers just like to blow through all the goddamn money That's what I'm saying too. It's not dispensable at all. This guy's a fucking idiot. He just doesn't know how to spend money You're right. I'm just recognizing that as a fair counterpoint to what I was saying and like it's it's really hard for me to Like know what that's like like once in a while I absolutely do just waste some money on like a new video game that I really don't need that I want But like to to this degree is unfathomable to me. I can't imagine doing that I don't know man. I guess these are just I think these are just irresponsible people if you if you do something You know to that degree, you know, I mean sure if I if you if you're not an artist I can understand what wanting to spend tons of money getting like art of your character made I feel blessed. I feel blessed to have the skills that I can just do it myself and turn my nose up at those Yeah, that's your goddamn privilege. It is my privilege and I'm fucking I'm never checking it But you learned how to draw Ben. I don't accept that as a privilege. No, I was born with this ability I never worked a day in my life All right, but there's like different art styles out there and something you can do and maybe you want to see in a different style That's okay. That's fair. I'm yeah, I'm not saying I I do understand I do understand the the drive to like commission art. Like it makes sense. I hardly ever do it But I sort of I sort of share it. I guess it's a bit of an ego of an artist Yeah, why pay for it if I can do it myself at the same time I want to I want to support my fellow artists and also I like other Art styles so I have commissioned other artists to draw my characters a few times. It's really fun It's really neat. It's it's just it's kind of I guess it's kind of paying like like paying for fan art So it's kind of sad but at the same time To see the art in the end So I want to discuss OCs and and and not just you know Original characters like like like Ben you wouldn't consider like a magda in oc, right? This is I'm very interested in this discussion of what? Yes. Yes. What is an oc? And yeah, yeah, I think technically anything you make up yourself is an oc But I think that but but but but but but but but but I think that if you say talk like that It doesn't make any sense. I think you might at that point you might as well just call them Well, you know I have a definition. I have a definition. Okay. I for this discussion I I want when I say oc's will be short for incis, which is Narrative list characters. These are characters that you can create just for the purpose of having a character See see that's a little different to me and I mean avatars is a word I would use as well To me because you can have multiple avatars, you know And these are just the ones you cycle between if you even use them that way But like yeah, it's it's really fascinating the way that people will like project themselves onto an illustration They didn't even make up and then like Be like this is who I am now and I spend all my money on this character now like to to me Yeah, it's interesting an oc like I always felt like the best Definition for an oc is a it's a it's a character But it's a character that exists within like another canon that you don't know Like an oc is a character you make up that is in like my little pony or a danganronpa or whatever Most of the time fan character, but like I mean the the terms aren't interchangeable It doesn't really matter so much, but like specifically that would be a fan character like in a fandom Fair enough. What about a character that exists outside of any fandom? Those exist and those are what I would call in-cease That's what I would call oc's because I always create a narrative for my characters even if they don't have a fandom Well, I mean, okay, okay if you create a narrative for them and like you create like a comic or something for them Then like no one can like like like I know I understand super pretentious here But I totally do and I can't deny that I put like characters in a story above characters without a story And I think we can all understand why because you need narratives to great Get get like greater insight into the characters and gives them a purpose for existing and allows, you know themes narrative plots to come out of them and make me care about them I do not care about But aesthetic is narrative to No Okay, hold on Wait, I want to talk this is important. Well, thanks for interrupting me like three times. Sorry Uh to make a character I think it's important to know why you're creating the character what purpose and for what sort of Universe or whatever even though like a lot of my characters like lack description and deviant hard And I'd be like, hey, I made this boy. Isn't he cute? And you know, I I don't put any information Know that I still think about the information when I'm drawing like what's the purpose of this thing Well, so to the audience though, how do they know any of this? Some of it should be conveyed in the design. I would think, you know I mean by that definition then every character ever drawn like there has to be some thought into why they are what they are So, you know, is it a It's not really true because you could have the decision of like This guy's wearing this chain because it will look cool on this outfit or you can think like This guy picked up this chain from His dead grandma and like it has a fucking secret resonance. And also it's like how he If if your character exists in any narrative then they have to like have like a history and a story has it It's like it's like when you try to observe an electron. That's when it like chooses a placement It's when you try to observe a character in any narrative like their history develops instantly But until you do so it does not exist. It's Schrodinger's character. Schrodinger's cat girl I think that a character doesn't need okay I mean, I think that you can like plan out your characters like history and backstory and personality and relationships and all that stuff I wouldn't say that you shouldn't do that But I think that you totally can create a character with like very little history or or like Pre-thought and like put them in a story and have a character kind of emerge out of that I don't disagree totally. That's not what I'm arguing I'm kind of arguing against mage that like that kind of that kind of like pre narrative like character Creation isn't like it's not always necessary. All right enough of whatever the hell we were just talking about munchy get to The business the point the point here that I dislike OCs for is because I feel they are like Basically inherently shallow without other characters or a narrative or plot to speak up I feel that they are shallow a shallow and cannot reach like the same level as like, you know a fucking anime Wait, wait, wait, wait, you're talking about a furry in real life No, I'm talking about an oc. I'm talking about an oc. Oh, oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay So so that so well this ties into real life because most of the first suits are the ocs that people have created So I I I am willing to binge a little bit and allow people to say, you know It's a performance art, you know, these people are performing a character when they put on the costume But if it's a shit character, yeah, but it's a shit character is my point. It's a shit character that is shallow And okay, there's a difference between a sona and a character, but yeah No, no, I'm aware that there is but a lot of there are first suits that are not for sonas That there are it's not it's not it's not a is it is it a faux pas to go up to someone and say you're boring And I find your real life narrative shit because like Is it a faux pas to come up to someone and be shit? I have done that and it was a faux pas. It was definitely Who would have guessed Because that's basically what munchies advocating here with the furry community. Your narrative is garbage. You need to revisit Why am I advocating going up to people and like shoving them down to the ground and like well Why am I doing that because you're a white national? When I was in high school, I told a girl she was cliche and she did not take that very well Damn, that's pretty that's that's pretty like that's called a girl That's like that's like that part in American beauty where the guy tells the girl that she's boring and ordinary Oh, yeah, my favorite part because I'm like all women. Am I right, man? That's my big taut smash the major She was like the only female juggalo I've ever met so she wasn't that Oh Wildly recontextualized the story the only female juggalo I've ever met was Jackie so like Yeah, I mean, you know, she's always down to clown All right, all right I want to shift to point to of why I why I hate furries and and by why I hate furries You all fucking know I'm not gonna put on the fucking kids a little more. It's a fucking joke I'm supposed to be hyperbolic in order to maintain comedy. I don't actually, you know, it's it's not I don't actually have that much ill will why I hate furries to Fursuits I hate yes Fucking They're ugly man, they're ugly here's what all furries all furries have jumped up their ears They're they're the little cute tail ears have perked up and they're buying a mean comment right now You guys have only seen fucking mass, you know Mascot costumes you haven't seen the real rasha You're just taking the worst of the bunch and you know making fun of them not all fursuits are the same my friend Sick, but here's what I have to say to you The best and the worst fursuits. I hate them for the same reasons That's what I say when I say that I don't like anime style or like furry style It's not that they are literally the same. I just hate them all for similar reasons That's why I say that I don't like the furries styles because there are there are things about Uh, you know, uh commonly, you know generic furries styles that are all like similar among different artists Yeah, and and and this is this is the same for fursuits. Obviously there are good fursuits and there are bad fursuits But they're indistinguishable to me because they both have the same trappings. I've seen autumn fallings Yeah, fucking name dropped. I'm a partition. Yeah get on my fucking level. I want to they're still bad I gotta back that up, you know, sometimes the artwork is well crafted, but like Aesthetically furry art is fucking repulsive and I I'm not even gonna knock them for that because Obviously a lot of the shit that I like would repulse a lot of people like The the porn I look at if you showed it to your mom, she'd just fucking die instantly like knowing Literally knowing that someone jacks off to this would kill a lot of mom The thing about the furry aesthetic that gets me more. I mean I don't like it, but more than just that. I don't like it is that I find it's incredibly samey And it's all very like self Reflective, you know, like it all looks like itself. Yeah, it's very incestuous It's literally like It's also insular Well, it's a bunch of young it's young artists copying old artists that all copied fucking don bluth Right, you know or that it's that it's that kind of scenario The thing that makes I think furry stuff like not as good as like anime is that like anime Like there's an anime style that like anyone sees like that's an anime But there are things like just for example one piece that does not look like a normal anime I would argue is like interesting there's for Yeah, well, I was just gonna say that I've never seen any furry art that like oh, no, no, no There's well, you know, I said that I say that but then I found this online But then I found this image I knew that I had found true love Where is this it's in the main chat. It'll be in the show notes everybody you're gonna want to see this shit There's this one that's undeniably beautiful here. I Oh, no Tom Tom, what do you have to say about all you're you're a known degenerate. What do you think about all this? Definitely. Um, I don't know. I don't I don't really find first suits all that aesthetically pleasing Um, I I think the my biggest problem with first suits and there I will admit There are some that dodge this problem like the ones that are done like immaculately well They all feel very lifeless like the whole idea is like you're trying to like portray this like cartoon character But like there's just very little like emotion in the face or anything and it feels very like uh Dead like it feels like you're wearing some like cartoon husk Yeah, you know, hi, let me let me tell you a little story that's somewhat relevant to this I went to chuckie cheese not that long ago for jackie's birthday and chuckie was there the man himself Damn Yeah, he was quite short. He was quite short. He was like he only came up to like my nose Wait, yeah, and and I like I went to give him a high five And he's like looking down with his big stupid mouse grin And he's like waving at the kids that are all like jumping around and grabbing tickets out of his hands And he's like and I went to give him a high five and he totally whiffed me He whiffed me. But you know why I realized later It's because he could not see me because he could only see down out of his mouth Yeah, well, here's here. Well, I guess that makes sense. This is supposed to be children Yeah, he's only can only see the kids below him But here see the world of adults that lives above this is kind of going off track But I can kind of pull it back into something relevant. Um, that's terrifying me. Uh, is that Look at this one everybody. It's a Pikachu fursuit. All right. I get it the show notes It's a good one. Damn, dude. She thick dude. This girl Have you seen this lesdias? Oh, no, I don't know. But Ben Ben I'm surprised they still even have fursuits at Chuck E cheese because the current Chuck E cheese mascot He's the size of a regular mouse. Yeah And here's the question is the current is the current Chuck E cheese mascot a furry anymore Or he's just an anthropologist anthropomorphized Character and not a furry because he's definitely a delineation. He's riding the line He's getting more and more mousy, but I think he's still on the side But like the current the current character is the size of a mouse. He's like this tiny little mouse running around wearing a shirt Not when he's in a fursuit. He's not I get that's that's weird to me I found that is weird that he's an actual mouse or something. Okay, go ahead. That is good And I'm about to post it. This is by glitched puppet of the comic flora verse This is like the one piece. This is like the one piece. This is the flora versus that one That's nice. This is that one that's pretty cool, but it's got the like secret porn Yes, yes. It's got the secret porn page I remember I mirror way back when when you discussed that and then I was like, huh, how interesting flora versus actually pretty cool in a lot of ways I I I found out about it myself I was like, oh, this is the thing that ben talked about and I and I had the same conclusion that you did Yeah, it's like it's cool. I mean, but it's also a little like It's a little ski every I This this looks great. I mean this looks really nice. This is the one that I wouldn't even consider this furry art This is the one that you said that the the artist also does like porn, right? They have two patreons one for the like the main comic and one for like so if this artist draws porn I need to get on that immediately Now I don't think this is the case, but is this like there is one, uh, it's not really furry But there is a a comic that features a unicorn that all of fortune regards is extremely sexy Like she said, oh, I know exactly the one you're thinking of this is not that Okay, okay. I guess no, I don't know what you're talking about. It's it's the I want to blank that blank You know Indeed well, uh, okay dope dope. I mean we've done it guys. I guess I guess furries are somewhat saved We've redeemed them. You're always trying to in podcast. You're always trying to close That's your main occupation is podcast No, no, no bunch you don't understand. I'm going for the fake out ending I whatever want to think that we've resolved so that you can blast their assholes wide open with the truth at the end of the It's like the post Credits final sequence. So let's what what else you got for me? Well, okay. Let let's get meta here real quick because This I'm about to launch into a thing and this was and this was made I have not scripted this like I usually do with notes This is on the top of my head But this was intended this idea was intended to come after a long section of me talk about how I dislike You know the the niceness and stuff, but that came at the beginning. That's all fine So just know that uh the impassioned rant I'm about to go on is totally unearned within the context of the podcast Only makes sense in my own mind But just make sure that this just no for in fact, this is all genuine and not fake and this is all is true The reason why I dislike that all this fucking gross ass gross melty hugbox bullshit is because I was fucking There digi knows on fucking tumblr I was in the most perverse and disgusting parts of the brony fandom and I was surrounded by hugbox gross Fucking openly sexual people all the time and it fucked me up and made me sad all the time Being around all these people who are so freely open about about their sexual impulses and about all about all their you know Trying to be all touchy and feely and all gross all around me It made me a disgusting person because I because I couldn't hold back on like unlike my you know My urges and I turn into a weird fucking gross ass. Oh, no And it was completely awful experience for everyone involved And so I and so I grew up and I and I knew that I couldn't be like this anymore Due to this group right fucking here at brony con I was a fucking bitch But then I hung out with all of you fucking people and I turned into not a bitch simplified, but that's fine That's fine for the parties of this budget. So the first time we met you were you were deep in the shit, huh? Yeah, I was deep in the shit Damn And and and and due to hanging out with you guys and and you know other friends I slowly regained my humanity and renounced and renounced being a fucking carpet Munchery fucking you know like form form browser, you know, is this the is this the off discussed a like role play lifestyle that you mentioned My role plays came my role plays were super innocent and just like oh, okay, okay on the internet doing pokemon Sure. Okay. It was like home stuck. You were like nepeta I I gotta pounces. I gotta go on a thing here because I'm looking at this forbidden flora.com that munchie Which is the man the furry porn Um, so annoying. I think I've realized that the the the only thing That makes me not a furry is that furry is defined by like the certain aesthetic and like Characteristics, you know because if it was anime porn you could draw any like you could draw me a furry Fuck and I will look at it and like it monster girls, man I love monster girls or any just any type of like Animal human hybrid like the game wan koto kurasa, which is just about fucking like girls who are literally dogs But they're like oh, yeah, but they look like human girls like I mean And even like I look at tons of poke porn But like and I was looking at this forbidden flora and I'm like this would be my thing Like I think this artist is really good. I think they have they draw good porn The only problem is that there are little subtle things That make it extremely furry feeling and those are the only things that turn me off about it Like otherwise it'd be perfectly fine, but I just look at it. I'm like, uh, if they didn't look like fucking furries This would be really hot. Well, see that's that's what I that's what I think about That's why I'm so strident in my defense of like all these people because like I have jacked off to every kind of porn there is and I will do so again in the future Furry scat will not really a girl or anything. Well, not not even that much scat. The scat kind of turns me off But it doesn't matter the point is like just I don't want to limit my freedoms I mean, I was watching I was watching uh, not resort bow and uh, like aroge It's this whatever thing and then like all of a sudden there's just a shitting scene and I was like what the fuck is happening right now Uh, it doesn't happen all the time in porn, especially like pissing If you watch enough anime I tend to avoid that if you watch enough anime And you're not into pissing. Yeah, you'll hit it. You'll hit it because it's just gonna happen like I know we've all seen oni chi chi and I know there's pissing at least once I don't even know what that is. Yeah I I guess I guess I'm not as degenerate as you all thought I was like the most popular hentai like ever other than bible black It's like the one that everyone is about chi chi from dragon ball No, it's just about some blonde girl getting fucked by like her step dad. I think but like hit up They made like 80 episodes of it Hit up my boys on hentai gasm to see that shit. That's that's the real shit. Yeah, all right We earlier discussed about tmi Hentai gasm is a good site Um, all right, but all I all I want to say is I I am so Absolutist in my viewing of like all this is fine. Like I don't want to shame anybody do exactly what you want to do It's totally cool, but like I think keeping it way of your own home Like I I I do degenerate shit and I talk about here because it's funny But like if I was just hanging out with my friends and I started talking about my weird fetishes Then like there's an audience you got to consider your audience is all I'm saying and you will creep people out If you start talking about the shit open like like thinking about from their perspective. Yeah, they are all furries They all do this. Why would they not discuss what they that what even if I was a huge furry I like yes, there's like the emancipation element like we shouldn't be ashamed for this Like yeah, we're gonna talk about rah rah, but on the like it's right the path I don't want to I don't want to hear about heterosexual sex that my buddies are having I'm not interested I mean, I think that's I think that's kind of unique to you though, Nate Because I think it's fairly normal for like locker room talk to be like, yeah, I fucked that bitch last night I put it in her ass, so that's not the same thing. I also not the same thing I think it's wait. What is different about that? What do you mean? It's not the same thing Well, I mean if this are open the door It's different to hear about my buddy plowing his girlfriend night after night after night As opposed to yeah at a one night stand with this girl who you'll never meet those are two different situations I guess I mean I also see it as like I just don't I mean me and my friends fair enough me me and my uh My other you know my offline friends We've been talking about porn all the time because we were all just huge porn fans like so well, you know I'm into porn I'm talking about it all all day whether it's a girlfriend or a one-night stand Yeah, I kind of don't want to think about my friends having sex Ever, you know, that's that's where I'm coming from that's where I'm coming from But hey, man, if I'm the weird one fair enough I accept I don't think you're doing it But I think that thinking about it is kind of gross, you know, you know class man Yeah, I know that we disagree on this topic me indigene probably other people here But that's that's what comes down to for me. I think about everybody having sex Thanks Yeah Okay Well, okay. Yeah, yeah, I I just wanted to say to watch any, you know potential uprising here People are probably gonna be like munchy like like like I'm like you name where I think you can do whatever you want sexually And you you can do whatever you want like basically, you know, I'm pretty in to you know freedom and you know do whatever you want It's your life But and like I'm you know, I'm an alt person. I'm living the alternative lifestyle I am not I am not, you know following society's normals. Why should I impose society's rules? Like why should I pick and choose the ones that I choose to follow like, you know Protect the freedoms protect the freedoms of people who disagree with you people because one day they're coming for your Exactly. So I'm none of this is meaning to intend like furries. Stop it. I Don't like furries. In fact, I wish that they didn't exist But they do and so I'm not going to make any attempt to make sure that they stop being real Right and that's the difference between my opinion and that's the difference between tolerance and like loving that I was talking about earlier Yes, correct And now there's an elephant in the room for this whole conversation munchy that I've deliberately Avoided mentioning until now as if I as how big is the dick on that elephant because I am getting horny thinking about Is it is it is it appropriate to bring it up now munchy or you do you want to you know I haven't asked the other party if they I don't think they would fucking care. Yeah, whatever. Well, okay Here's the deal people munchy is dating a furry right now. He is dating a big old fursuit furry Yeah, so that's the context of this whole conversation Itch she she has linked linked linked in the description It's not even like a moderate furry like she's she's real But see but see that's the thing man tolerance, right? Like you you're not into it, right? I should also mention that that that she is not she she is she does not exhibit the behaviors that I have described here She does well. Yeah, there you go. She does not role play or anything proving that there are good furries. You know, basically Yeah, she she she does not exhibit the the overwhelming, you know heat An unbelievable, you know Warmness of of unearned kinship. She does not exhibit that. Yes. Yes. She's one of the good ones Thumbs, there you go Um, but yeah, uh furries are all great. They give charities How many charities have you donated to mother fucker furries are all about charities? Do you do you consider furry patreons a charity? If so, they are the most generous organization in the entire universe That is also a good thing about furries is that like like even though we can make fun of them for spending so much money on Commissions and we should because that's not smart Uh, they do like support artists mad hardcore Well, I think the reason that furries support artists so much is because like because their fandom has no like canon material You can't just go buy the official release of furry. It's just it's all community driven material So if you want to like spend something you can't just go out buy the blu-ray of furry season one You got to support artists because that's all there is I bet that is a ton to do with why they're so vocal and like fervorous in their little community because it's so like Shun by I mean, that's probably true of everybody who's got a community like that Oh, I've I've definitely this is definitely true Like the more that you voice opinions against furries the more they will come away brazen in their attitude I honestly think I think that on some level I don't know how deliberate this is but I definitely think that it's understood by a lot of the furries that a lot of The outlandishness of it. I think is deliberate to keep people away Because like no one see your club. Yeah, no one fucks with furries because everyone thinks they're disgusting crazy like Furries like god you're like mr. Medicare is in those kind of guys who like deliberately try to like, you know go out and start shit with these people Yeah, but but like for the most part. I feel like Furries like the sign on the door is like this is this is how fucked it's gonna be in here So is that something you relate to if so come along and like if you make it pass that barrier It's like you're already I think that's why there's such a hug box is that like you've made it pass this Incredible barrier of like sacrificing your own conception of your social normalcy I mean you're basically saying like I am committing to never being a normie again like Something similar happen. I mean at least while you identify when it's not a complete There was that that is that's true Yeah, I mean and you can you can stop being a furry one day if you so desire I'm just and possibly burn and bury all footage of you having been a furry There's probably plenty of pictures out there because these are cons are all well documented Yeah, social media, but like I just think that there's there's an element of the fact that you even are willing to call yourself a furry Is enough to give you some camaraderie that like you are willing to You know stand in this world that that where furries are literally the bottom rung of society They are everyone's punching bag and yet like if you're willing to call yourself that then it's like all right You've made it into the herd, you know I think furry is I would I would give furries the the immaculate distinction of being The lowest level like the lowest rung of society that it doesn't quite make sense to like Deliberately mock or shame like and like when you get to like other can right below them at that point It's like well, okay now that's open season like these people are insane, but uh, you know Unless I guess they've been playing around whatever by the way by the way I just I namedrop mr. Medeker before he actually is more charitable towards furries and he's just harder on like other kin So I just wanted like I don't like hate the guy. He's not like insane or anything Just just say just say people might be like why do we feel the need to come on this? We are not furry experts We people like this are all the time where they're like, oh, you don't know everything there is to know about physics How dare you have a nihilism episode? What the fuck are you doing you dumb bitches? But but like are like like are we not allowed to comment on things as we see them? Because it's not it's not like we are forming them out out of the ether purely from like going unfortunate and hearing secondhand information We've all seen furries. I mean it's it's also not it's not as though at the end of A pcp episode whatever conclusion we've come to about like how we should all think about this We press a button and now like it is so you know like oh, I've we've we've concluded furries are bad I press this button and now that's what the world is from this point forward. It's like there's no consequence to this show Well, this is this is a comedy show everybody It's just the conversation and like that's I guess that's the interesting part Is like because for everybody who's like into the furry thing being like they're missing so much the important nuance Like there's also people who are outside. It's like yeah If you feel that way, please look at what we're like this is how even people who are close to furries think of them So if we're wrong, this is your pr mother fucker like you gotta do something about it I think we've been pretty magnanimous here for relatively speaking. I think I mean, I I mean at the end of the day, I don't have any ill will This has happened before on other episodes Where I am a fucking knowledgeable saint and I will just say what I say if you'll be like You missed this you didn't factor this into your equation But I did know that fact and it just wasn't important Like you can say a bunch of shit and in the comments about how like furries are like all grain stuff Or even about how they're all bad and I will have considered them because I think about this literally constantly I know everything that you could possibly say and this is my opinion People like like the reason I feel the need to comment on this isn't just because I want to be a funny people with my friends I don't want I just want to be funny people. No, it's because I have to think about this This isn't a joke anymore This has reached a stage where I could no longer deny that furries exist and go on with my day Just treating them like uh, they're just fucking like elves or like trolls No, furries are real and I have I have to I have to acknowledge them. It's suffering I don't like this. I want them to go back to being jokes. I don't like this You know, I wonder if like you said at the beginning and I just remembered my thought I thought of the comparison to like the flat earth Thing we're like that's definitely started as a joke and a troll But it just started gaining steam because I don't know people just like we're like, you know what that's actually not a bad idea Let's let's get in on that and I I'm not trying to shame furries and saying there was crazy as flat earth Is or anything but uh, you know just just saying funny comparison. I am the conclusion I've come away with from this podcast is that I am a furry And the only reason I haven't identified it is that I am too much of an elitist when it comes to the art that I masturbate to If there were furry artists who just drew anime style I would be all in on this community because I want to fuck a Pikachu just as badly as this first suitor does But she is doing a terrible job of making it look attractive Sure Show notes. We already mentioned. I think this Indeed indeed. That's the thing. I think like all of us like like if some like, you know guys If god game dad is like, hey, I'm gonna make something to peel us to your taste It's just gonna be like an anthropomorphic animal. Like it's that cool. So you would probably be like, yeah, sure It's like not the actual like like animal part of it Like I don't think any of us like care that much the furries the furries specifically are into that right? Isn't that what makes them furry as opposed to like I've jacked off to tons of furry porn But for me, it's always just like that's a hot girl and oh, she's a dog or whatever. I mean, that's fine I'll deal with that You know, what I'm trying to say is that like yeah, it's it's not like particularly the fact that it is an anthropomorphic creature It's just the way that it's always depicted. It's it's yeah, okay. Okay is the culture Society indeed indeed. It's the context in which the images exist in All right, are we gonna move on to questions then? Yeah, I think it's about time. I think it's about time I just want to quickly say Yeah, if it wasn't clear enough by this point because it probably isn't because it didn't speak much but You know, overall I I like furries in general And I like the art say for work art mostly I like the character designs a lot like what what really interests me about furries is like they take an animal And they like make a character design and like the really skilled artists whenever they like Draw like a furry character. It's just like I don't know why I just I just really like art Can my sexuality be art because I really love art Well, mage, here's here's my question for you. You know, we uh, we haven't really addressed this but and I think I've asked you personally before I forget the answer offhand though Would you consider yourself a furry? You like your anthropomorphic, you know animal boys and whatnot I I don't know like the thing is like it depends on other people's definition of furry I myself have not involved in like any furry communities Uh, I don't talk to that many furries I I have no plans in the future to have a fursuit or I'm not even interested in having a fursuit I do have a fursona, but that's because I like character designs and I like making characters and it's Yeah, see for me really interesting for me It's just like for for people trying to say stuff like just because you like like mlp or something that like makes you a Brony or something or just like I mean I just hate all the stuff of like because you like thing or are generally interested You like now are considered a member of a label on you that you don't put on yourself is disgusting I couldn't agree more could not agree more Yeah, it's it's like saying everyone who likes a toke is a furry So if if you don't if if all those other can who refuse to believe that they're human Uh, guess what we have no right to call them human. We've lost our it's it's over. We're done. Self-mitted. We fucked it up. Yep We've all learned something today All right. Well, I guess that's it. Let's let's head over to our questions. We're all furries. We admit it That was the point that we were building to We all admit it. We're active members of the community. All right Wait, wait. There's something huge Okay, what animal would you be in it? Like what would your fursona be what animal? Uh, well, I mean, okay. Sure. Sure. Uh, everybody always tells me a pig. Sure. That was that was the old animal design She did her husband be a Ben and I were orcs Um, I mean everyone says I'm like a dog my girlfriend says I'm like a dog I think I bear a lot of resemblance to a dog. It works for me, man. I think I'm a dog I think I bear a lot of resemblance to a dog like currently I resemble a dog Apparently I look like a german shepherd. I know how much michelle like dogs. So that must be that's pretty good That's pretty good. It's good for the old romance. Michelle's a furry for sure, but just for dogs The best boy a good boy. He's a good boy. Yeah Works for me. I think I could be a dog. I think you can make a strong argument for a dog I think I could also be a raccoon or an owl I would definitely Ben is a raccoon is fucking perfect. I was gonna go with sloth. I was gonna go with sloth It's got like kind of an edgy like uh, yeah No, you're all missing the most obvious point raccoons dig through everyone's trash. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's perfect It's perfect. Uh, that's a coon for sure I mean, you know raccoons are actually nasty. Like they're actually Yeah, exactly Deeply unpleasant creatures. I know you're saying all the right things. All right. Have you seen their hands? Have you seen a raccoon's hands? Oh, yes grimy. They are they are they have nasty little like gremlins skeleton hands Just take a raccoon and have a vape pen in one hand and you know a tablet pen in the other and you got yourself a Ben saint right there All right, uh, I would be a optionsville goblin. That's what my Oh What the hell is that? That's some otherkin shit. That is some otherkin shit. It's it's it's this way right here. I if I oh god Why are google image like links so unbelievably there? Why is that the case? I just gotta go to the actual like But that's technically not an animal. It's like no is it an animal? It's an animal This is otherkin. This is otherkin munchie Bigfoot is real so the hopkinsville. This is just like the time I told the furries that I was uh that I was a mind flare I don't know the fucking dungeons and dragons invented that well wait a kink shame band I would definitely be like a normal type pokemon. I would be like some sort of like bear or like Okay, something big and fat and doesn't be aware or like, you know, you know that big like fairy normal type bear That was a tank and like sun and moon be be aware. Be aware. Be aware is pretty good And he's a very munchie the way that that pokemon is portrayed in the tv show is like a munchie-esque character That's true a power because all he does is show up and beat up people and carry them around basically Uh, all right, did you what would you be? Oh, I would be a walrus probably. Oh, I like to be depicted as a walrus Yeah, okay Well, I already have a fursona, but I the just before I made her like she's a gerboa. That's like a like a little Right, right mouse thingy. That's a right. She was right Uh, wait, is he I don't know. Oh Yeah, I think right. She's one of those based on it. It's so no don't you boas No, no whatever. You know mew is actually more gerboa-esque than a cat us Oh, yeah, that's true with his weirdo legs. Yeah, okay Even even the tail and he was like, yeah, so some character is a gerboa Hopping mouse, whatever. It's cute little hoppy legs. I love it. But before I made her I was heavily debating between like a unicorn or a deer or a bunny because I like this something cute ones and And but like none of them like it had all the things I needed because I wanted a long tail And but I also wanted to like be sort of fluffy and cute and long years Yeah, long years and long tail and like I couldn't I couldn't have that with any of those Properly, so yeah, then I found gerboa and then all my prayers were answered Well, if there was ever evidence of god, there it is everybody And and tom and tom. I think I'm thinking gorilla. I'm thinking a gorilla. A powerful beast. Oh Oh, I think you're on the right track. I think like a like what's a what's the long monkey? There's like a long monkey. There's a long monkey What's the one I've given an orangutan? An orangutan, an orangutan A long monkey You know, I could see tom as like a lemur Okay, I don't think I don't think orangutan hits the mark. Well, okay. Well, what does tom think though? Um, I I've literally never thought of this before so you're all in Informing me very deeply right now. I think if tom is like a duskull I'm not I'm not I'm not a duskull. I'm not opposed to lemur lemur would be kind of cool Uh, I was praying mantis. All I was gonna say was my favorite. My favorite animals are crows. I find crows fascinating I could see ravens and crows are cool as shit I could say you'd be a raven because that's like the fucking raven. That's so like fucking Yeah, that's how I like the bigger versions of crows, right? I think crows are bigger. Oh my god guys. This literally looks like tom This is tom That I mean I see a resemblance. I opened up discord and saw the heart hopkinsville goblins Got it All right, let's get on the fucking questions. All right, okay Draw us as our first son is everyone. Yes, please. We're demanded. All right Yo, uh twitter at tpcrasnators follow us for announcements and stuff and yo, here's here's a question hashtag ask bcp Send questions using the hashtag. Okay. Here we go. Now. Here's one that I was reading and I like this one Okay, here we go. It's at chaotic sloth an old patron of mine. What's up, buddy? It says up in your own opinion Do you have to like a person to be able to like their content and for some reason he adds Animations don't count. I don't know why Oh, why throw that in the trash throw that in the trash? Okay, mage, what do you think what do you think? The reason he mentioned is because of the recent controversy In the anime community with um princess molestia getting her own anime at a long last Like the guy who made uh, uh, that really cute. Oh, we're ronnie kenchan or whatever right? Oh, no, that's like it was just a sugar cube All right, sorry a more recent one like oh, yeah, mmo junkie that anime Oh, what did he do? What did he do? Oh, one of the directors like I think he's like confirmed to be an actual nazi and he's denying Oh, it's not an actual nazi. Well, I mean I get in in Well, he's denying the hall. Oh, who hasn't denied the holocaust. You know what's interesting about that? That is so weird of a thing to even know about an anime director Like how many anime directors? Do you know any element of their personality? Like because the controversy was so big it reached me and I hate that There was a huge twitter snap He publicly just kept doing it on twitter Even even if okay, even if this is a thing that happened, I still don't see why it merits an exception for animation and and ben means the holocaust I'm not surprised about this. So is it the the anime director? And not like I'm not surprised that an old japanese man would deny the holocaust at all I'd be surprised if most of them even know what it is. He's not that fucking old. It can't be that old Well, the japanese and the germans were allies. That's like saying your best friend from back in the day Yo, I'm looking this up. I mean, how do they know nobody fucking knows anything I don't know. You know what's funny about this though. It's like it's interesting to note then by the way This is the it is the director is a kazuyoshi yagi numa yagi numa. Um Yeah, but like it's interesting to note that like at long last it seems like Like anime maker people like the people who nobody has given a shit about in the west has like finally people Like japan's a pretty like right wing like conservative, especially with like immigration and stuff and like race issues Um at long last people are like starting to care about what they think and like they're finally facing some backlash Could never like I mean I I think I had a moment Actually a while back where I was like, you know I'm really excited about the fact that all these animators and everything are on twitter And we have more open communication, but this cannot take long before this leads to Something like this and I just didn't expect someone to come out as a fucking holocaust Well, let's do this. Listen to this. Okay quote from Kazuyoshi. Here it is September 8th 2012 have you looked into whether an frank's diary is real? Oh No, I I I haven't I haven't These are my hotel fan for sure. Um, well, that's uh, that's something That's it's uh I'm vaguely surprised that you guys didn't know about this I I had heard of this but I haven't looked into it very much and I just want to say that like just because you deny the Holocaust does not actually make you a nazi. I'm just I'm just putting that out there. You could be an anti-semite You can hate the jews what I saw people I know I know I'm not putting that on you So, uh, but also also like I like japan If you're if you recall everybody japan had a pretty cozy relationship with the nazis back in the day So they've been across the board probably forgiving. I feel like holocaust denial is probably pretty rampant Like it's probably it's probably rampant across a lot of the world Look at the shit that they that they did themselves, you know fucking nan king the nan king They did nan king man. Yeah, nan king was like a nice man the man king incident as they Oh, fuck. I forgot what I was gonna goddamn say so I kept talking about the fucking nan king shit Well, uh, I mean regards I think once this pandora's box open and we start to actually judge like japanese creators by their opinions That is hey, I have a question. I have a question. I was gonna say to answer the actual fucking question Yes, I think you can enjoy Art regardless of the creator, but it really depends on The piece because sometimes you feel like the creep like sometimes I I look at something runny kenshin Um, yeah, I don't think the original manga is even all that good But like the offshoots of it clearly there's no influence of this guy's Being a fucking pedophile on on runny kenshin other than maybe there's like a couple of cute younger characters There's not even really any lollies in there's a couple. Yeah, like minor ass characters. They are cute though, but like The the the series you don't like have to think about that when watching runny kenshin It's not going to strike you you're not going to like watch a scene and be like Oh, this totally reminds me of the fact that he was a pedophile But there's other stuff like some music for instance where like The musician is so baked into The song that like if you don't like them as a person It's like unavoidable when you're listening to the music like that you're being hit with their personality Basically and like it's gonna remind you of the things you don't like about though Yeah, you also have to keep in mind that a lot of mediums are made by more than just one person For instance that anime that I said he's just a director It's like a whole slew of people working on that anime And so like just because he's let's say a scumbag Doesn't like I don't know you have to shame the anime for that. That's a that's a fair point That is a fair point. I haven't seen it, but like you you should consider I I believe you a lot of people have said that it's quite good Uh and the the main character reminds me of you I mean that the little bit I know the director didn't make the source material of it anyways Like it's not his story. So you know how much I mean you it's it's fair to criticize like the man himself Have you strongly disagree with him and you can are you supporting not want to Well, that's that's the thing if you are you supporting him so much If you are you supporting him by supporting his work and if so does that support his belief structure? I don't think I honestly don't think it would even be possible to support that guy by buying the work Is for what it's worth First of all, it's not how anime works the director doesn't like if you buy a blue ray It doesn't just put money in the director's pocket The second of all that dude's probably gonna get fired and blacklisted at this point because but who man Who knows how japan works in japan japan is just very anti pr At like anything like if the fact that he has buzz around him is the problem. It's not what he said It's that like, you know, you can't be a controversial figure Yeah, okay. I think the question. I think the answer to this is obviously yes, you can enjoy work Yeah, yeah, but it doesn't mean that you will always will be able to or even want to right I mean if the politics like leak into the work, then you're not and you don't like them It's going to be hard to ignore at that point. You hate you hate the product not the person Like like like like who who did I just to use you for example? Did you like like like sure your anime, you know essays could be like, you know Those stand alone But they do like require people to know about you and at you know lead to you the person Um, I mean, I mean it really depends. I mean, I've always kept the main channel relatively clean um in in certain ways like You know, I uh, I don't run around saying nigga constantly on that channel because like yeah The way I see it I want people who wouldn't be okay with that to be able to enjoy my video so that I can cast a wider net So that I can make more money like, you know, when it when you come to the side channels I don't give a fuck because like Ultimately, I would rather just do whatever I want than like be an acceptable artist on any level But in order to maintain Making money from most like from from a larger amount of people who I am deliberately duping Like I'm deliberately not showing them the entire picture of myself as most people don't like most people don't show you everything about themselves Uh, yeah, even if it's something that like is public about them in another way, you know And on the internet all those things kind of bleed together if they're all under the same name You know, and you can you can call that duping, but really we No matter what situation we're in there are things that we choose to offer and choose to not offer in a given situation So, you know not called that duping Well, I mean it's just it's more just like withholding information That you don't need like people who watch the otaku god's a journalist channel don't need to know That i'm a guy a white boy who says nigga all the time, you know Like that is irrelevant to those videos that I'd prefer they just not think about it, you know I'm not saying that it is duping. I don't think it is but I would think that Nate would think it is I'm surprised that he doesn't well Well, I mean it's just you can you I mean technically you could call that duping But I it's just if you call that duping you have to define basically every human interaction as also I thought you did didn't we talk about how you consider every human action deceit Oh, I mean, yes, and this is exactly that issue. You're right. What he's saying is that like the word duping would lose meaning If we applied it to all Yes, like if we acknowledged then why the why is holding to open the door for someone deceived Well, because it is deceit We're talking about degrees here. We're talking about degrees, you know, that's just the part of the episode where we have to splice in all of the weird Italian Everybody Well, okay, I think we've basically covered this question. So chaotic slaw. Thanks for the good one. That was a juicy one There's a hashtag not bad question from twitter. I say This is from the patreon lounge donate any amount to get into the patreon lounge and you can answer The procrastinators This is about julian my julian. How do we get closer to pcphq? What does the rotor map look like to that? Well, the roadmap is wait for money and then it yeah throw money and just wait Yeah, I mean like some of us are just already like i'm moving very soon because I have to move at the end of may Like there's no question about that and my plan is move to boston because I mean at this point I like it's too late to even change plans So so like we're going to boston make the best of it. Yeah, I mean tom's already there Munchie's already planning to go there. You know, it wouldn't be hard for if nate decides He's you know ready to finally leave his job then that's probably where he's going So like it's just kind of a matter of time But if you want to grease the wheels and make sure that it actually happens and nothing fucks up Keep throwing money at us because we need the money to make it happen. I mean pcphq is entirely a financial Issue. Yeah, that's correct. That's correct. Yeah. I mean, uh, yeah, everybody I don't expect anybody to go way out of their way and like I don't I generally dislike the idea of like giving money For like future projects that aren't specifically being promised like I certainly wouldn't I mean you gotta think of yourselves as A production committee and are you willing to take a risk on? Of a product you want to see exist like if you spend that money now You are making an investment towards the idea that a type of content you think you want at the very least Might come to fruition. Will you be horribly disappointed? It's possible But like yeah, sure I mean that's a perfectly fine way to think about it and like again Everyone's making a personal decision whether they give to a patron or not and for what reasons and we have specifically stated That like one of our intentions is to make pcphq happen if we had more money we could start making steps in that direction I'll tell you right now for me the thing that is holding me back from Currently going charging all speed ahead is purely like the need to or like leaving my job Is the thing I need to do and being financially stable So when I can earn enough money to make sure that's safe and frankly I'm probably gonna depend on that like whatever whatever that income is like the portion I get from the pcp and the portion I get on my own like that needs to be at a certain level where I think like Okay, I can I can do this and uh, you know, it's it's become a reality that like I'm pretty Pretty it's not that I'm comfortable at my job But like it's got me in a situation where I'm making enough money that I can keep building up my savings for a while So to me I think the the logical thing to do is either my just income on youtube stuff Just goes way up and looks like it's going to stay that way for a while Or I like work for a while longer save up more money So that I can take that risk and you know jump out there and I'd like to do it as soon as possible It's all I'm saying do you have any time frame just for our I was really hoping it would be in 2018 Looking at the math. I don't know if that's actually exactly right. So I guess I'd say My hope is like early 2019 that that's my current thoughts, but uh, you know, I have to play it by year I have to play it by year Um, all the other questions in the patreon lounge are like terrible How about this question from bobby meow 13? Here's the question freemium games pay to win mechanics question mark Yes Thank you Wait, okay. Here's one. Here's one that cyprus asks Do you think kanye west is a furry because he always portrayed as a bear in his old album? It was embarrassed by it and didn't read it out loud There you go. Uh, I just wanted to say kanye because he's a good boy. I'm looking forward to the new album. Hurry up, boy This is I'm looking at the list of questions. Yeah, I know it's really upsetting a giffy thoughts on pacifism moving on Uh We got a question from hippocrite. Where's car cat? Um, he's right here car cat. Why don't you say something? We there's no reason we can't just all it have red questions at the end of the show, right? Like we can just do that. You know, he's right. We make the right whatever we want Fuck you guys better questions if you want to be read on the goddamn show That's perfectly good. Perfectly good. Uh, why is it every episode? The proof becomes more and more evident that you can have wit and you can have or you can have money, but you can't have both Yeah, well fair enough. All right I think they just try to rush to be like to like ask as fast as possible without when reality is they've got an hour and a half. Yeah, yeah Brew wanted for a while guys. Maybe they think we ask right before we start the section or something Yeah, we should clarify that for everybody just so you know if you're asking a question either on twitter or on the discord Uh, you have at least an hour for when the the the message goes out to form that because we do the whole episode In fact, you're actually probably you're better off waiting because if if you Respond to our tweet right when we post it We're not going to dig back and see it because we're only going to ask one question It's better to wait like an hour and a half at least before you respond to that Well, I mean usually we take most of our stuff from the discord But like they do usually like the first 10 minutes after we post a question a bunch of shitty questions get posted Then everybody shuts up and it's like well That wasn't helpful. Let me ask you about this guys The q&a is like almost always terrible. No. I disagree. I totally disagree. Yeah Oh, well, I was gonna ask like yeah, what are you gonna say? Like what's the point of it? It's it's funny and entertaining is the point for me Yeah, I think we usually Choose good quality. I think we always choose good questions. They're just rarely are ones to find like Okay, when there are good questions, it is nice Well, I feel like every episode is just like look at how bad these questions are I mean we always say that while we're looking for good ones. This is why we need to do question or rules We've talked about this a few times here and there and uh, he is right Why are we talking shop on the middle of the show? Yeah, and the goddamn Shit, dude. All right. All right at tpcrasnators. That's the twitter check it out for announcements and all kinds of stuff Patreon.com slash the procrastinators one dolly gets into the lounge where you can get your questions in and we'll Fucking see him more likely and five dollars gets you all the bonus episodes. There's like 12 now There's a huge library being built. Uh, and they're all pretty pretty fucking great And you're gonna want to get another one right fucking now to clarify this 12 and you get them all I don't know if everybody understands this but when you have a patron reward, you get all of it So like so like when you patron digi, bro You get like hundreds of hours of commentaries of me and devu watching back all of my videos That's enough personal shelling you fucking bitch. I'm definitely editing that out Excellent, uh, but that's it everybody. Uh, thanks for joining. We will see you next week and stay tuned everybody give us money For the new bonus episode. We'll tell you about it next time. All right. Thanks for being around and we'll see you next time Bye I am a furry I love anthrocon See you at anthrocon. That's See you at anthrocon. Yeah Yeah I'm supposed to be working right