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I'm at home today Now sure you had this big convention going on this weekend, so they are not in the venue So they told me to stay at home Do this show by yourself and I said listen I'm cool because I got a lot of shit to talk about a lot of important things man But if you're watching this on YouTube man, please hit that like button Comment below on what you think is better trips versus bunch Which is better, which is you know easier to run per minute It's really not the argument really is which is easier to run which is which is more brain dead Which is more, you know conducive for a lesser player pretty much or which you know, which is a bummier offense pretty much and Also, I want to talk about last chance qualifier The leaderboard ended last night man, and that's a huge night in Mad Men Everybody trying to get those wins the last couple seconds Everybody trying to stay stay in that top 32 And everybody try and make sure they friends get in somebody else get in this than the third man So it's definitely was a huge night last night. We're gonna talk about free wins We're gonna talk about collusion. We're gonna talk about leaderboards in general We're gonna talk about if EA can do anything about it. What can they really do about it? So those are pretty much the biggest topics that I want to get to today because those are pretty much The easiest you know the most important things to talk about at this given moment working on some big things Which you for you guys man with the podcast bringing on new guests If you want young if you know any guest you would love to hear me talk to talk about and pick their mind And please comment below on who you would like to see on the podcast in the man community I also want to branch out outside of the man community man That's definitely I want to grow this to something bigger than just stick to man Because we all know especially this time of year man really dwindles down man But I definitely want to keep bringing you the biggest topics and man and for that We're gonna go ahead and talk about trips versus bunch man it's definitely a Well, it's about was definitely something I want to talk about because honestly, I've run pretty much every offense There is every offense that you know isn't man And obviously we've all played against pretty much every offense So it's definitely something we've all come across whether it be we can leave whether it be tournaments whether it be anything Whatever may be I'm saying is definitely Stuff that's out the stuff that we have all played against man and personally for me. I think I Personally think trips tight end is easier to run. It's an easier offense I think bunches more effective. Let me say bunches Can I say bunches better, but trips tight end is easier to run it that makes sense definitely Two different things, you know, we gotta differentiate that and for that I got bringing the experts man number one and number two On the leaderboards man. These guys are number one number two on the leaderboards in Mudhead or in salary cap in last chance probably the two best players that aren't qualified yet for the man bowl trying to win this trying to go ahead and Trying to make their way in the man bowl and that's Clef and J. Well Obviously J. Well has one of the best trips tight ends and we all know Clef as some of the best bunch man So I thought these were definitely Two of the best guys to bring on to talk about this topic man and really get into you know What makes each formation good and what makes them hard to stop and which one is easier to defend and easier to run What's up fellas you guys still in here? Yes, I'm here Man the eight-year-old assassin man. He is definitely ready to talk about so so you're definitely the trips master and so you're definitely on the side that Shrips is harder to run the bunch. Yeah, I am I've uh, I've talked with my other trips How's and brought up some notes that we'd like to bring to the table here Okay, definitely always just always respect the man that comes to party with notes man That's definitely definitely less than know that that you really are I mean really this really means a lot to you But to fight this debate and really make it something that you guys can win man And also our clef in here who is the bunch master and definitely the man That's one argue that bunch is a lot harder to run and trips tight end is definitely the easiest Bum-friendly offense and Madden issue right clef wait. It's the easiest offense. It's not between bunch of shirts In my opinion, I think chips tight end is easier to run that's the argument we're making here We have to differentiate the arguments. We're not talking about which one is better. Which one is you know? This standard third. It's all about which one is easier to run And my biggest argument for this is that if if I did have an alien came down from outer space, right? Don't know anything about football anything about man anything about video games if I had to teach this alien One thing about it's a one offense to run between bunch of trips that in I would no doubt about it Teach me trips tight end with a three-play scheme man PA cross it inside zone and level sale man That's the three plays I'll teach him and my alien Would be better at Madden than if you tried to teach him a bunch. Do you disagree or agree Jay wall? All right, here's my issue with that. First of all, I want to say we're talking about route specialist bunch I think that's that's key. They're out specials bunch and we're playing So now we need a bunch of extras to make bunch better. Well, no, I mean nobody wrong. I mean I Just don't think it's nearly as good without playing here without Okay, so add all these things so you're making my argument a little bit for me because now you're I have to learn about Yeah, I need I need to learn about route specialist. I need to do a hot route flip it I need to put this route specialist guy in the slot. I need to put this route specialist over here You're making my argument for me, but continue I Just I think you're talking you're going at it from a different place I'm like I'm saying that when you're running the offense against elite elite player versus elite player the the person in Running offense in church basically is what I'm thinking. They're thinking more they're Actually having to think about what the defense is doing to them Versus someone in bunch. I'm gonna put the best. I'm gonna put the best Posting the game up for the best corner out in the game that gets over a clouding 42 seconds and I'm a playmaker somebody backwards and throw it to them and you don't have to What do you mean? I'm the same you're making it seem like it's just playmaker or anything like I Just feel like first of all between the run and then level sale a quick quick pass They're running back I feel like and then the PA crosser that nothing hard. So, you know what I mean? Not only is it PA crosser? You have to cross to cross around so two different Whips that hard flask don't recognize you got the clown flag list the real running back wheel in verticals any anybody can run troops and that shows with who Who is really prospering right now? Anybody can run troops anybody in the community can come on run trips spam verticals Full curls like it's madden on 9 because the curls on get defended they get the animation Every time you can hop past any running trip That's what make it so good because it's spread out and butch you can't really just attack the zone from all type of ways Cuz it's much together when it shows everything spread out. So you got they could they first of all They throw a high pass curls on every route. Everything's hot Everything No, no, but the way trips you gotta look at the formation of trips, it's all spread out You can't do that a bunch. It's all bunched together. It's totally it's totally different Pathblocking path blocking the play everybody know who play action blocking the best blocking the game It take no pocket like for example, I play J-Wall and he was running button do got sex well time Yeah, I think he's gonna he was in bunch Like they don't have trips allow you not to have pocket because you got to be fortunate enough to have the play action passes With the crossers with it's really it's simple. It's simple Play action blocking is literally only go verse three-man rush and is awful Especially against like the over G bliss like 35 percent in five six It's terrible because you're running back literally blocks. Nobody Especially the counter go play you're running back because it has the counter blocking. It's awful The only good one is shot wheel that has good Play action blocking. So I just don't think that blocking is the difference You're literally in bunts. You have a what do you call it a personal protector on both sides You don't have to think about if they're gonna send this this nickel corner like and I still put this guy on a route Like that sort of thing on You just max bro and run Pat sale and like you're probably you're gonna pick up any books in the game minus like the 35 You don't know how to run boys Alien I actually kind of have an example is my friend goes to school with me And I had to teach him an offense and I taught him bunch because I told him to run Pat sale and curl flat Yeah, and uh, and he actually won games. I don't think teaching him like how to run How to run on like the way at least the way I run trips with Like I don't know. I'm not ready. I'm not putting a playmate playmaker in a deep crosser That that's not how I put that's not how I play like you actually have to understand football like understand zones and how they work in the game and That's what I think like it's not like That's what I'm thinking. Okay. See I see now. I see see moment point in the chat there You could teach him to run Pat sale. I agree. That's probably the number one play you to teach him But that's the same as any what's the difference in that in any cross and route play that's in trust that in honestly, what's the difference? Nothing. Hey You can you can throw you can throw a pick on PA shot wheel like the quarters will play it In the game ever play Pat sale, I agree with that no one is definitely gonna No one is definitely going to cover Pat sales, but you can't cross me I feel like the crossing route and trips is just as easy to bring dead the row if they don't cover it as Pat sale is really Am I wrong? If they don't if they don't cover it. No, I'm saying they don't use it The crossing route is just as brain dead as Pat sale is There's I've never I've never ever seen his own play Pat sale and I've actually seen cross man's and Um, like deep quarters if you based on press they'll sometimes play the the Crosser out that literally has never ever happened to Pat sale That's a do get guarded by It do get guarded by bones. It is almost that do guard fat So I mean it ain't it ain't like Pat sale just the hardest play to stop in the game That's definitely the hardest play to stop Yeah, it's probably the hardest play to stop in the game with it with the drag by the tight end You know the hard flat don't recognize the tight end on drag Because he too far over so you run that and basically you just look at basically that the simplest read on that as you looking at the Tight end and you looking at the user and the user don't go to the tiny thought of that And if you don't go to the crossing throw the crossing and then if you don't go to the crosser you throw the post I'll be it's simple. It's simple. That's probably that's probably the easiest plan Especially with the blocking on it, especially with the blocking on it You don't gotta you don't got them back to protect it, you know, I'm saying really just keep your running back in and everybody getting picked up No, I mean And then everybody getting picked up and then the thing is you can't you can't deep quarter it because You can't be quartered because then you got to move your corner back And then you got to move too many people around and you get quick height, you know, I said So there ain't no baseline press you can't baseline pressing no more And you put a deep quarter on that side Then they just running verticals with the running back on the wheel with a sharp They're out thinking you there's no out thinking there's no out there When they learn first of all, let me make this one when they first of all Trips was never good in the beginning of the year. Let me tell you when trips became almighty Highball curls that's when it became almighty before that most people didn't have a clue how to run troops Highballs like But when trips had that because I'm telling you I played a lot of people in trips before then and it wasn't as good But what changed it is the way the defense spread out if somebody put three curls on the field to the trip side There's really nothing to guard there. Um, that's not too much to guard. You man up the I mean, there's this There's plenty ways to guard that Please tell me cuz you please tell me cuz you got defense. Let me know, please If you don't stop it, I'm not gonna stop it. You're just a great man of pleasure. You let me know. I mean, there is plenty ways I mean if you can stop that why would I tell them there's ways to stop what I'm saying You can't easily man it up and blah blah blah this I mean everybody knows how to stop it But it take a little like you can't tell me these dudes are good players. I can't I just can't see it I can't I can't see it. I can't see it. I Can't before before like with the with the house Like I said how it's spread out the play action the protection, you know High passes because everything that's on it's everything that's on it's how about you can't do it out of bush You can't hop past every single thing out of bush. You can hop past almost every row in troops every row Real I think the one thing we haven't talked about is that why if I play weekend league and I'm playing bazookas all the time Why are they running chips? I don't want to know a bunch and a big reason because of that is because you can run inside zone You can run the ball effectively way more effective than base or draw or anything like that and for me that alone makes it a lot Easier to run. Remember, that's the argument. We're not even which one's better What's about which one's easier to run and the fact that you can run the ball this much and that effectively obviously Inside zone is easy to blow up. It really is. I mean, it's always been the easiest I think it's been the most effective shotgun run, obviously But it's also the easiest one to blow up But just that that that threat of the run with the motion wire receivers I think that makes it that much more easier to run than bunch, right? The run is definitely better. Yeah, but just the thing about we can leave I think a big part of that Like chaos is ebook is huge That at least when you're playing weekend league and you're playing like I'm not gonna say the best players But you're playing like Guys who are getting 15 wins and you're playing those guys 10 15 times like they're gonna be they're gonna be running the popular stuff They they go to twitch they see Kent's running this they sub for $5. They get his ebook and bam, they're running that Chaos is the reason that people are running just like that. Yeah, I don't think it's that's that's a really good argument Just I think that has more to do with his ebook being so easy to get, you know Yeah, so you think his ebook being it $5 holler So people about a five So there was a bunch $5 ebook then people would run bunch Yeah, why not false Very false. It's way. It's simpler. They know chaos. It's plenty of people don't drop much ebooks Shit skimbo just dropped one not too long ago It's kind of plenty of people drop that but it take a certain amount of skill to run bunch a certain amount of pocket You got to know what rock combinations to put on the field. Even with the route specialist No, it ain't rocket science, but you catch an average I don't catch an average player in bunch and watch what happened I caught Jake Wally in bunch average player 12 sacks. I've literally never ran up. I've never ran up for it. I Can run true. I really never rent you up. I get a trip. Come on I'm gonna score more than three points to have a many words. It was bad It was bad because the average player in bunch you could see the skill level that It's very close. It's very close I mean This is my point is that it's easier for me for for the most novice man player not for good player Obviously, I think the best man players I think bunch is gonna be more effective Just because of the position on the field the way you will bomb every single covers The way all these post routes and corner routes working now I think for the best players that's always gonna be the more effective offense But my point was for the novice weekend league man player trips tight end is easier to run Primarily because I think the level sale is the bummiest play in the world And it's easier to run than any any playing bunch that for for a novice player between that inside zone and Crosses, I think they really are the easiest players to running man. I mean past sales right up there But at the end of the day, I mean a lot of these kids You know if you cover past sale, there's a pretty much shit out of luck man And that's pretty much where I'm at with it man But you guys bring up a lot of good points man Is it any more points y'all want to bring to your arguments? I just want to say like basically My argument isn't even geared towards like the the novice player It's mostly geared at like at an elite level like when you're talking the best players I think when when you're playing Someone running trips and you're playing someone running bunch. The reason I think trips is harder is You don't have a post route that you can put on every receiver. You don't have playmaker guys backwards You can have that you see not But you can have that yes it's allowed in the game J. Well, you can put that on your team No, but I mean you already got those routes and troops You already got the short corners you already got every route, but you got every route They were out specialist guys every single room every single route. I didn't have the short corner Second receiver has a short corner every route got the short like every route has That's why that's why nobody use route specialist and troops if anything they'll use playmaker Mm-hmm I just feel like My biggest thing is if I had to teach somebody that wasn't good a man didn't really play man Maybe it was just a gamer didn't get into men and much about to teach them all fast and run and win some weekend league games I definitely would pick Trips tight end now I mean, obviously the best way we could do this is both of you guys go find one of y'all little cousins or little brothers or something and J. Well, you try to teach somebody Bunch to win some weekend league games and somebody else I see your clefty somebody out a run charge just like that And see how many weekend league games they could win that would be the best way to pretty much figure out Which one I mean which one a cake or run or you know, you know And all I got to tell them is run inside zone run pH shot wheel and run levels level set That's all you don't win game, but I just don't I don't get why that's why that's the argument Which one's easier to run? Yes, and I'm talking about at a high level. What's easier to run like it's That's that's what my argument. Yeah, my argument is not like could I get my mom to go run inside zone ten times and beat a Dude on regs that has that it runs as Madden like that's not my that's my That's not my argument. My argument is that when we are Playing high-level Madden and you're running bunch. You're not thinking about what it like I mean, I guess you are to some extent, but you're not really thinking about what did they do on this play this play this but because there's just It's so it's It's not it's nice Come on, Junior spit it out man. All right. I'm trying. I'm trying to think um Because you don't have all the best routes. You don't have all the route Kim's you you can't come out flip ten times in a row and you're gonna have someone open like it's You actually have to be thinking about the defense and what they're doing to you every play in trips Whereas you don't really have to go in bunch and that's just why I think it's easier and also I just want to bring up like If if trips was so easy to run at like an elite level In mudhead W was in trips and lost by what 30 points I'll grab the score It was it was Kent um Kent's argument that I he told me to bring up that I have to figure out now But it's true But it's true 31 to 7 thanks for joining the podcast man, I really appreciate you joining the podcast J wall man This argument is now done man. You know, they want to just throw me under the bus What the fuck did I ever do to anybody inside? I'm just trying I'm just trying to get everybody to go ahead and talk about it You know the good things in life man bring everybody together as a community and they don't want to throw me under the goddamn bus What the hell did I do? I don't know who the hell I even paid 31 to 7 I don't know when this ever happened verse anybody. They just want to throw me under the buzz It's shit. I'm talking about man. This why these young fucking kids all gotta get put in a headlock Starting as soon as I say man J wall has now passed Alan as the number one headlock list person Just crazy man Listen, I will win the shit out chips tight end we can leave this week in all trips tight end 25 and 0 Improve anything. Why not? You're beating weekend league players. You're not playing like they might not even making a game Listen, I don't ran bunch of weekend league and I lost some games. So shit that makes a point What you what you gonna get? You gotta run This is This is like how I feel is like if if you're playing high-level man and J Well, you play high-level man, and then you say, oh, well bunch is easier to run But yet you choose the run chips tight end. Why? Because I think when I have it and I think I'm really good at it I can do more with it then something like in bunch. That's all and I have a better defense, especially in sorry cap Also, it's pretty much I can save cap and get the defense and do better. Yeah Okay, better in troops because he's he's better in troops. This reason we for some better Because in bunch he played a bunch. He doesn't have pocket. He can't really put routes together. You know what I'm saying? It's a lot harder reads That's why that's why they run trips. It's harder reads It's way harder reads and then just running. You know what I'm saying when you want bunch It's just way harder the pocket. You got to know how to step up in the pocket. You know I'm saying they don't have that yet. That's just cease and matter. You know I'm saying you can't really teach it You can't really I want to know what my head I lost 31 to 7 when I was running trips. I want to know what this was Hold on. I need more. I need more info because this should this should this should grinds my gears chat I mean, I just I'm flabbergasted at this. You know what I'm saying? That's why I just I just don't believe that could ever be argument nah I don't know. He's going with that one I'm just saying if it's so easy like it's obviously not that easy. It's super easy But that's why we don't this walk away. It's like myself don't run it Because it's too dumb down. I feel too dumb running troops. I feel too dumb running troops It's just it's just dumb down like we like to be Shout out to me my bro. Joe rice hand. You know what I'm saying? My boy cj. My boy allen We like flashiness. You know what I'm saying? We like making things happen in troops Dink and dunk nicking dunk anybody can do that. Anybody can It take a certain person to just sit there knowing Okay, I don't have to play action police. I'm just gonna sit here. I got a 26 cap running bag You know what I'm saying? 88 speed. He's not even being used You know, I'm saying he's really not even being used. I'm just sitting there inside of the mud road crush to kill Ghost, you know, I'm saying Kill we just we sit there and lay it take a certain person to sit up to put routes on the field We not running the ball at all. You don't even gotta run it, but you didn't gotta worry about it, bro You know, I'm saying you ain't gotta worry about that We just sit in their laser That's all like, you know, it take a special person to do that not everybody can do that. That's why they don't run much And you could tell them we can leave you could tell from the average players who try to run bust They look so terrible, but the average player in trips. He look all right. You know, he look all right So I need more answers on this 31 to 7 game. Who was that playing? Um, I'm looking I'm looking what the fuck. What are you looking at? I have to get 10. I don't know. I don't know who he told me 31 to 7 and say it And I said it Damn Listen That's the three clefton trips. Well cleft is just I mean, he just More a seasoned man player than jaywalk. He can't go left from jaywalk. Can't go all over the place Nah, he gonna bust that's Good move right there. Give him you understand that shit at home. I don't understand why I got I don't know why I got thrown on the bus like From one man game that that's our example I told you I'd rather teach an alien to run trips like that because it's They say you said oh, I lost the game. I'm mad and that's why that's why Bench is better This might be jaywalk That was crazy That's gg's man. That was a flood. That was a flood debate. That's Shannon sharp vs. Good Bench. That's all that is crazy So that's all that's all the arguments we got all I heard about was I lost the game All jaywalk said was that I lost the game of mad, which I lost a lot of games mad I'm 30 almost 32 years old lost a lot of games and bunched and just sat in and bullshitting and goal line And doves. I've lost games and everything. So that's not a good argument Nah, and and if bunch was so much easier, I mean they would people would be in it But when they have tried that I guarantee a lot of people try and when they tried to get in it They understood it. This is way harder than I I didn't I didn't expect this I didn't expect this there's like having a kid. It's like having a kid. You know what I'm saying? You thought you was ready, but you really wasn't ready That's really what it equivalent to You know I'm saying because I'd have seen a trips guy in bunch And it's like having that kid at a young age. He wasn't ready for it. He didn't expect it That's basically what it is. That's how I can that's how I can do that That's how I can you know what I'm saying to make it easy for y'all to understand What? Oh Is it like you think you ready to run butch because it That's what I'm getting at There's there's like, okay There's like five good trips tight ends and like the rest of the people at least In most tournaments are running bunch. So now that's about there's a lot of good trips right there Oh, can you name them? Everybody everybody who runs trips got a good trip right there Everybody everybody who got everybody run trips on a good Okay, so can you can you name like someone it's too many of y'all Y'all play like it's it's literally too many y'all y'all They we all play like I can't really Different y'all like y'all kind of What? So so the guys the guy in weekend league who runs 15 crossers and spin ph out wheel with a hitch like What? That's that's not how I play. I don't think I ever run that play and that's the main They're gonna run in Still got chips and though somebody I I I just seen enough that I've seen a lot and I just I just can't see I can't see it the weekend league bumps. They're everybody It's everybody in trips to all the pro-maniflares and then we can leave guys. That's it. That's it. They all in the same boat to me that I this I feel like I mean Weekend league is like the number one thing to say that trips like that is easier to run like the worst man players run I don't know how that's not an argument Oh I just I don't know. I just don't think we can leave the best place to put it It's it's more about what I what I think it's about. It's just competitive man I don't care about weekend league, but those are worse man players and that's what they choose to run because it's easier right Point for it proven Point proven that's that's just not what I think I think we're playing actual good people um like What do you call it when you're playing actual good people and not weekend league players like um And you're running trips. It's you're not just gonna run inside zone level sail the whole game. You're actually gonna have to put The get a route No, I do cross 25 Run inside So And he read inside zone about 20 times again That's kind of thrown out the window he kind of he runs the ball Yeah, he runs the ball like 10 15 times a game maybe but he's still throwing like he's he has plays that I don't I haven't seen no one run I don't I don't understand that Well, so now that y'all changed your argument, right? Okay See I just feel like Sure, so that was easier on an entire level of mad not just 50 people that's what I'm saying I'm saying it's not just 50 people. I'm talking about the five million people that play mad You're saying that's who it's easier for honestly, I think that is fair but I'm talking about at a Competitive level like when you're playing good play when you're playing elite player versus elite. I don't care about weekend league I don't care about anything else But I think your argument's fair just because of the run like inside zone and the guy in weekend league probably think I stopped that Yeah, it's my point proven That's awful. Yeah, my point prove. I think I laid the I laid the blueprint out for everybody. Yeah, I think Think everybody see what's easy I don't really think it's much more for us to say about much We see what it is with trust man. We see what it is Hey, man That's awful. I just feel like the easiest person's gonna win are gonna run trust that in just because it's just some easier place That's all and I feel like Serious mode. What is the word? How are you filming this evening? Feel all right I feel like I feel like both people had a few hiccups in their argument. Well, they're not the best of debaters I will give you that but they are you know, they are number one. I'm a real debate No, Clef was saying that's just not true. I mean Three curls three curls is bad. I mean if you if you man up a curl It's just you can't throw any to any button. So that's two other curls Yeah, if you man them all up, they can't you can't throw it any of them Okay, so you man them all up and and then we all think them. Yeah, then you have to actually think Here's what I'll say here's what I'll say first. That was just a bad example for you to use I would say but um Bunch, I feel like First of all bunch has the best blocking in the game and it it will forever like let's make that clear Yeah, let's just make that clear like for forever. We'll have the best blocking just Off top. Let's let's make that clear. Although. I do think trips tight ends blocking is good But you have to think about what your opponent's doing on defense If if my opponent's going to be blitzing me I can't I can't run a play action play because I will get instant sacked If no matter what no matter what happens if if somebody max protects a bunch My guys are not coming in no matter what I have to shed 100 unless my cornerback glitches through his offensive line You just ain't got the d coach. Uh, that is okay. Okay. What doesn't make any Your argument makes no sense. Anyways, no, it's moving on You can let me finish you can talk after so also Also, uh Pat sales by far the easiest play to run out of any play ever I mean, especially if you're playing a bad player. I agree versus good players It's not gonna work But versus like it's the best play as far as you don't have to think just fucking All the play run backwards throw the poster out Because if somebody mans them up, they're going to be like, oh, it's going to get guarded. No, it's never going to get guarded. Anyways That's all I have to say really. So are you moved in this room? To save cap on offense, honestly, and I'm not I'm not the best offensive player to begin with So like I'm trying to have as good a defense as I can have and I still I still I do use a route kim On offense and a playmaker. So like I don't really run trips the same way other people would I will say I do think my offense is better and trips But that but that's more so because it slows me down like in bunch like every play is a huge play And and I don't like throwing to the tight end flat route every play. I'm just I'm just not built I'm just not cut like that. So exactly. Thank you. Thank you Nobody's That's that's what these nerds do dubby if you don't manage the tight end They're throwing it there. They don't even think and and another horrible thing that you said clef is talking about high ball plays Are you kidding me? Every play in bunch is a high ball player I'd never high ball in trips tight end literally never ever But I don't run yours differently I'm saying like every single play in bunch the double post. You're looking to high ball. You're literally looking to high ball And that's like the main play in bunch. That's the main play everybody runs is the double post Or a post in a no Yeah, the post in the quarter But you can't the one where he going in motion Yeah, both of them or if you just snap the ball a conductor glitch Bro, literally once once I take a step Literally when I play crush once I take a step away from the From the post he's just high balling it. It doesn't matter if I'm just baiting and coming back I'm never getting there because he's gonna high ball and I'm gonna get agged because he has a little separation Like the I would say I I agree like Trips trips is not as good as bunch But you also you also do save cap like I'm not saying you can't score every possession in trips because you you can But you're obviously bunch is better, bro Like I agree bunch is 100 better, but you can't say that it's not better when you're spending way more cap on offense to run it So what do you think you're spending more cap because exactly to make your offense better. Yeah It That's what that's the whole point That's the whole It's not as good. I have to spend cabin bunch because it's not as good. You making a point That's what we're talking about though, but we're talking about rock specialist. Yeah, even we rock specialist So, what do you think's better offense? Trips is the easiest offense in the game. What do you think's better? That's two different arguments. Now y'all getting off two different argument Okay, I'm saying why wouldn't you run trips and and save cap Because because if you can really truly master bunch It's a beautiful thing. It's a beautiful thing. But not everybody can do it So if you can save cap and score every possession, I don't like troops. It's not for me It's a boring way to play for me. It's boring. I don't like it. That's just me And I'll play defense without relying on other people. I don't need all them guys out there on defense I don't I don't need that. I need all the mothers. Which one y'all got this? That helps that's what I'm saying. I don't I don't know what you're talking about But I was just saying like the blocking is for sure better and bunch like if I max product I know that no one's ever coming into me. I can't say the same thing in trips You can't even run a play action play. I only I honestly you have to guess really if you run a play action play You're hoping that they're blitzing three people Yeah But I do feel like people blitz three a lot more versus Trips than they do bunch also It is harder to go off like off of the initial alert is it's harder to guard trips that end in bunch because initially bunch You could be right there and that you never really know where they're going. You know what I mean? So at that point it is hard that goes to the to spread out part of trips and makes it harder to guard to some To some degree, but they're compressing a bunch the thing about the compression of bunch will give you the one play touchdowns I'm pretty much every other coverage pretty much I don't Like Being the best play like how's that play is like one of the worst plays in trips Bro, like that s row is just like a complete bait route. Like it just never is open No matter what like you're gonna get the worst animation on that throw like every time That is always open if you don't use Bro, that s row and k push is horrible Like you get the worst animation ever like 90 percent of the time You have to throw it at the perfect time or you're gonna get a terrible animation And the ball's gonna get knocked out like you can't you can't high ball that route like like you can every round bunch The post both of them first of all both of them routes troops that That pa slot post the post gets open and cover two it gets open. So I don't know what you're talking about and then Both of them get open So what are you saying also the the run play is better But you got to think that you literally using ring back who you can't give the ball to and punch You you literally cannot give him the ball because he's fucking 70 overall And if he gets it because they can't run if they had an inside zone No, first of all, they use Tampa Bay. So they don't even have a base no more. Yeah The base is good. The base is good and and regular better than you're all Yeah, yeah, oh, yeah, right. Yeah, that's what I'm saying like like base is base is good Base is just first of all if if people blitz if people blitz and tripside and salmon tripside and and they blitz all their linebackers The linebacker is going to come free. You don't have to do anything Versus inside zone, but granted luckily for me. I have a running back So when Troy Apke tries to tackle me, I just truck him and move on with my life Then yes, I will say the inside zone is better But I am trucking somebody every single time I run inside zone because they have apkee and ron parker And that's another thing talking about tripside is better You gotta think that these people that run bunch they have nobody that they can't man out on their team No one they can't man up nobody on their team because yes, they will get burnt However, me I like when it's better for people to run tripside. It'll me because I have 499 overall players on defense that I can man up to whoever You can't man up first. You can't man up All right, how about this? How about this? I will play anybody In here right now that run stripside in and if they try to run pa post shot wheel That fucking post route will never get open. I will bet on I wouldn't I won't use or guard it. You can't first of all man to man Can't man up you can't man up a cross. Yeah Doesn't get over Any coverage if you try to cover it's pretty much and you can't man up. You can't man up a whip rope When you when you say you can't man it up I I agree you can't man it up and it'll pick it off But you can definitely limit to two yards if you have somebody good manning him up Or I mean and the whip routes aren't even like that like the whip routes are good versus a cloud zone Of course like yes, but like if you actually are trying to stop a whip route, you can stop a whip route What what do you mean? Yes Which would you so tell me so tell me where are you gonna stop the whip route with like I don't play these games bro like You figure it out on your own like but but but there's no way we're complaining about it We're just not we're just not gonna complain about a whip when you when we literally Every play and bunch is like you're trying to glitch like you're literally just trying to glitch Glitch what? What is that a glitch? More zones than troops you glitching way more troops. You can't be serious, bro You literally there's like there's like 15 routes that get over clouds like that Like that's the same thing in troops. Well, there's You got level sail with that corner when you motion Not not not like not like a not like y'all got all mighty defense dog like y'all just act like y'all just got greatest defense What are you talking about cliff I don't See this I just I'm just gonna I got his own Come on versus trips tied in yes If I man somebody up the majority of the routes are getting guarded not the same and bunch I can I can man up a 99 overall on Whoever and they're not gonna play the post. That's what I'm saying. I still have to learn the post One defense it's better is it not better for bunch than troops the man of everybody Yeah Or or pat sale that that's another thing like Pat sale you have to you have to that's why it makes it tough because you have to guard pat sale yourself Or you have to do so much to where every other play is going to work That's what that's the only reason pat sale is not a good play That's what I'm saying pat sale is not a good play But it makes it a good play because you have to play guard every other play like Tripside in you can use a lot of the same adjustments for the same plays It's not the same for a bunch in my opinion That's what I'm saying. If you know his defense definitely Bunch, I've seen it versus bunch and I think At this point, like I said, I just think tripside is a lot simpler and easier for anybody to run. That's all I don't know what we got Preparing the two once you all start playing I think bunch is better. Obviously, I think it can do a little bit more But it takes more skill I mean, I think At some point it's just repetition. I don't think nothing is really that Super skillful, you know, I think I don't know. I don't know. I just think Repetition and play calling is is pretty much the biggest deal with every formation in the game Because I do feel like it's not as much as it was last year or even mad 17 men If you know what plays are coming, you can stop it. I don't know if I feel completely about that this year But uh, it's definitely it's definitely play calling. That's what makes a good player and that's where the scale comes in Honestly, regardless of what the office is man, but uh, I just think tripside in is simpler Most because of the three bummy plays level sailing size on and think whatever cross and play you want to run It really doesn't matter even in the trade wildlife crossing plays the same pretty much Yeah, but if you tell somebody to run counter go like you can't just tell them run counter go like you're gonna get sad And and you have to put your tight end on a fade on every every I mean if some you're playing a decent player like you have to play but you're you're tied in on a fade Yeah, you gotta face somebody and we'll put a streak motion somebody over. You know what I mean? I just think it's it's a little bit easier than trying to tell somebody different routes that are for verticals or you know what I mean obviously pass sail is easy as it could be but That's all I just thought trips tightening was a little simple but I mean it's like Like I don't think anybody can act like that's why I wasn't really like too big on the argument because It's not like you can't act like it's close like regardless. It's it's close you know what I mean That's why that you can't be too far one side or the other like but I was just saying like I was just saying that trips tighten is harder to run because You you you kind of You're taking away from yourself because you're not using all these routecams like Like these dudes have like 300 cap on defense, but like it's just way different like I don't know. It's You can't say that you're not making the game easier for yourself when you really are that's all You I'm not going to say it doesn't make you better But you're definitely making the game easier on yourself when you're you The cap more cap on offense, you're definitely making the game easier for yourself to say you're not just kind of stupid You may you first of all you making it you need killings first the argument Casual we teaching a casual bunch trips. You're going to teach them trips The reason you don't you need routecams for bunch because it's not as good That's what that's the whole but y'all keep throwing out now though when that's really making the point That's that's making the whole point of what we are again. We're talking about what's easier I'm talking about it was route specials a bunch easier or is trips with I mean, whatever you want easier Trips trips is 100 especially trips with playmaker. Come on. That's just a playmaker That might be even easy. That's easy. That's probably the easiest Rather than I don't know I will say like for you probably be because your defense is so bad like your defensive players I'm not saying you on defense before you get all crazy, bro. I'm saying your players on defense are bad Yeah Apke and Ron Parker literally I don't I've never even seen your team. I'm just assuming you got Apke and Ron Parker As everybody does I said that from the beginning, you know what I mean? I'll speak to the fact I'd rather teach my dog how to run trip straight in than bunch That's how I feel. I just don't I don't really care about that. I mean, that was the entire argument. That was the argument. I continually bring up Yeah, but that that wasn't that. Yeah, I don't know. I would say it's close Like I wouldn't say I wouldn't say it's too far one way or another. I just feel like like pot sales is just such a big deal Because it's such a good play like especially for bad players to run For sure, but on that note one I don't want to talk about just starting on a bunch of bunch all damn day because We're gonna be seeing a lot of them shits both in the last chance and everything So both cleft j y appreciate you guys coming by Blessing the podcast with your arguments I don't know who won that stuff for the chat youtube man Whoever you think won the argument, please go ahead and comment below what was cleft or j wall Right now j wall did win the leaderboard battle and he is number one cleft is number two But right now it looks like he got a super easy bracket and we're gonna look at those later You're saying we're gonna move on and look at those later. But mo man. We got to talk about The last night of the leaderboard man, how did it go for you? Obviously, I was I was watching cleft Watching the xbox leaderboard and watching all that stuff go down man. That was pretty crazy and I got a lot I got a lot of things to talk about. I got some evidence. That's you know I got some condemning Put out for you guys, you know, we definitely want to talk about but how did the playstation go? What numbers you end up with and uh, how's it looking? Oh, well when I went to bed The day before I think I was like 20 second or something And then when I um I fell on a sleep last night for a few hours or whatever. I woke up at nine o'clock I was like 27th. So I was like, you know, this I ain't gonna be that guy that just didn't play I you know, like I feel like if I can't if I can't win games Then I don't deserve to be in it in no way. You know what I mean So so I played I played one game. I got matched up with master Probably one of the better people I played. I think he was like 14th on the ladder at some point And uh, I got pretty lucky in the game. Uh, I won end up when I was down seven End up coming back. I won the game and then I didn't play again. I was 21st and then man These last I'm not even gonna talk about the last we don't even got to talk about the last hour We could talk about the last three minutes really Uh, you know We ain't even talking about people getting free wins like we got I think I think everybody's gotta talk about that You know what I mean? Like, yeah, this person got free wins. This person got free wins But let's talk about these people taking losses to duck the fade from people How does that work? Like who who did this? I need names, man It's the pot. It's the same the same twist. Hey when I say there was like Three or four people that were 17 and Henry was 16 And these dudes just kept taking losses and kept taking losses to avoid this kid to avoid Henry little ass To avoid Henry bro I'm not kidding. I seen like three or four people in that set number 17 slot in the last five minutes And I put that on my dad's grave And the last three or four minutes there was four different people in the number 17 slot Okay, well, let's take a look at now. This was given to me by needy gaming's official stat An analyzer to stat the station the person that knows everything about shit that I don't know about That's j bird. He has all the information as soon as it pops He actually damn me. That's probably at 3 15 a.m And now we're looking at this is the 301 J bird is so it's so official. He has a three o'clock bracket and he has a 301 bracket So if that surprises any of you in the chat, I feel bad for you. Yes, J bird He's on top of he's on top of everything But this is definitely what it looks like now and you said Henry was 16 on this he's 15 Now I don't know if this is right So the people around so people and he played it on this it looks like he's playing master in the first round So master should have talked to took some elves But I need to know who were the people that were out here taking elves to avoid Henry man I sold people 22 mad and elite 19 I think mad and elite might might have might have ducked the fade Okay, okay Geez, let me see So this is what it looks like now It looks it's got you playing pony in the first round then probably Glover wild Joke first truthy in the first round that I was pretty happy with What I thought was my pool, but I don't think That's not what I had thought it was but I was pretty happy with what I thought because I'm pretty sure I played a Sixth sense in the first round He he had taken a loss too, but I don't know if it counted or what Because it looked like there were some people who got in a game That were trying to lurk people who were maybe trying to get free ones just to extend the game to 301 and then get out the game. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah now this is uh So at what point were you were you ever close to being out of this because it said this one? You were never like 28 or 29 No, I was I was like I said, I think I was 26 or 27 at like nine o'clock and I played match during it took me to 21 and I never moved. No, you just stayed there for the rest of that one day Yep, so I just like looking at it every half hour or so or something. I mean I was I was definitely I was looking at But more so for uh To see to see what was going on more than you know me me being worried about where I was at because I knew I would be All right to see all the action. Okay. Okay. Yeah X box X box. I don't know how crazy it got but supposedly like drag was Other people team or was 18 and he's not in it anymore. And it's just why all should happen And right here, obviously like I said j-wall is number one clef is number two And from this whatever this may be at uh pretty much I watch him call it looks like clef pretty much has a easy bracket Let me see scroll down scroll down a little bit if you can They were saying they were saying to um scroll down on the The xbox are on the ps4 as well. They said they didn't see the bottom side Clef and it looks like from right there clef and jorais would play each other to go to the live event That's that's PlayStation Yeah, so they would play a final four which I mean you can't get mad at that final four out of this Yeah, exactly. That's why I was saying like I thought my final four matchup was pretty tough like But outside of that like I was okay with You know what I mean? So drag was 18 at 3 a.m Well, so that that's good. What the hell 18 but like all right I think personally I think 32. I don't know if it's a good number of people I think every tournament should be 64. I think that 129 should or whatever the hell that 96 I think that's a little wild And I think 32 if you remember last year The first tournament to the online section was only like 32 people Like because they had all the challengers in the beginning. Yeah online part was only 32 people And it was some people didn't make the online. I remember bugs was one. I don't need to play that I'm gonna win one of these We're gonna talk about how dumb that shit was I think it's tough because you know, there's probably like a group of 40 on each system Like I would say 40 from each system that are you know pretty passionate about madden You know what I mean? Yeah, I would say I would say like 40 is probably the right number So you might as well just do 64 let everybody let everybody fight, you know, I mean like and we We ain't gonna have people doing this crazy stuff like looking crazy like because I can promise you if they are auditing people These these brackets are gonna look a lot different man. Like a lot a lot different Tell me my point like what can they do like even if they see like the last five games, right? Yeah, at what point is it? Okay. This is an obvious win. This is obvious You know free win or especially you got to think there was some people that were smart It was getting the free wins early. So so they wouldn't it wouldn't look so stupid. You know what I mean Like these people that got wins in the last like 15 minutes They're gonna get the short end of the stick because they might have been hovering when they shouldn't have been hovering You know what I mean? Like because these people had gotten free wins earlier and that that's a that's the thing that's going to make this thing Really really tough is that? There's just so many people You know what I mean? Like before for the top four Like the top four used to get crazy, but it was just one or two people You know what I mean? Like we got we got i'm talking about 10 to 15 people that could possibly be Be screwed on both systems each 10 to 15 each system You know what I mean? And I I just hope I hope if they do something I hope they get it right, you know, I highly doubt that they will From my experience with them. They don't they don't get a lot of things, right? But I hope that they find a way to get it right I think eventually it's gonna be it's like a gray area like okay This you know, this kind of looks like a free win, but man, he actually he is actually 21 to 14 Maybe it was a real game. I don't really know who this gamertag is how close are these two guys? Man, obviously it could be somebody that's really close or maybe just somebody you paid 20 bucks to lay down I'm saying it's really hard to tell people's relationship And also what really happened in the game, you know, so at what point do you say this is a free win? This isn't so like you said if they say they kick five people out, you know, what about this six person? Man, maybe he has some games. So it's kind of for me. It's such a great area That's kind of what I'm saying with these people that we're taking losses Like these people that we're taking losses to avoid playing people like How is that not illegal? You know what I mean? That's that's given somebody a free win. Yeah, for sure You know what I mean? So I think I think it's going to be super tough and From what I've already seen the one person who I know has been disqualified from the tournament and didn't do anything wrong EA is going to look very dumb if they don't get everything right because because uh young collin We have like on on ps4. There's there's a mud account You know like they they play on or whatever But but collin played every single game on on the leaderboard, you know what I mean every single game And if EA could check that which I don't think that they could because they would just see that he did that He played every single game I I don't think that they can check it. You know what I mean? That's that's what worries me is I just don't think EA really can do what they've lied to us and said that they can do, you know what I mean Exactly, I just I just don't think that they can because They they they would be able to hash out a lot more stuff Now apparently when Vilma the first club series, Vilma was like going to make the buffalo bills, right? And I gave him like two or three free ones like the last hour Like just get them into the buffalo bills club series and they they banned him and said oh you played w the last three Three games or whatever. So they kicked him out. He wasn't allowed to go to Buffalo And so and I talked to child because child called me like that night like not like two days later He called me that night. It was like then did you play Vilma? I was like, yeah, we matched up a couple times He was like We were dumbasses. We just like I just like quit out of the game, you know, we didn't play this at all or anything So he was like bang, damn the score was zero zero or some shit like that. Like it's obvious when so I got to Move him out the tournament. I was like, yeah, I mean I understood that, you know what I mean? So that's a obvious obvious situation But a lot of these aren't aren't going to be obvious man People are getting hip to that to the point where they got to make it look real So it's definitely to me is to the point where it's like almost where I mean it for them to do something like you said, they already got really kind of they got to continue to do something But for me, I mean the biggest thing they could do is just pretty much not do anything really because It's gonna be because they really just want to make the shit harder On themselves if they start let's ban this guy now they become the judge You know, let's judge which wins is real which ones aren't and that's a hard position to play man And then we'll see what they do as far as trying to play that position really Yeah, they make it they make it really tough on themselves in my opinion, you know what I mean, um Without they never say anything, you know what I mean? They're always just like oh, yeah The rules are the like they act like people are on here reading the rule book like I agree that it's it's there for us You know what I mean? Like but but it's not like they're out here promoting the the ea page ea help page or what the rules are You know what I mean? So Like I said, I don't know how they're gonna Uh, like you said, I think that they would be better off doing nothing But there's gonna be some people that's gonna be mad at that too. You know what I mean Because like this dude chaos he was like 37th and just like chalked it up like no, I'm not gonna play Like if I'm telling you right now if they do audit people if they audit people Chaos will be in the tournament 100% 100% and he didn't even try to fight. You know, I mean like he didn't even try to Didn't even try to play like and you know that that That's good. You know, I mean like I personally he should be in the tournament You know what I mean? Like like these dudes were taking losses to avoid playing people. That is insane to me Like you do you think you just never gonna play him? There's only one person one person makes it You're afraid to lose in the first round. Like what's it matter? You know what I mean? Like to me Exactly like I don't want to I don't want to be on Cali losing. That's for damn sure But I thought you only one person gets the 5,000, right Like I don't know but like I just think like the the crazy thing is is like I don't know like I think that free losses should be Just as bad as free wins if we're gonna go there, you know what I mean? That's how I feel personally Yeah, but and it was the point where like no you can't watch the game. Nobody streamed the game. Nobody recorded it Like how can you say? Oh, I didn't lose that game on purpose How can you prove somebody lost a game on purpose? How could there's no way to prove that essentially? I mean the game look all right. Look all right Exactly, I'm concerned if the game is zero to zero. I mean you really can't say it's a free win You know, that's how I feel about it at this point I feel like the best thing they can do is not do anything But it says you said they already banned Collin. He got kicked out Yeah, but it was it was for like uh, like a completely different thing Yeah, because because uh, he like played on someone else's mud account. Basically So he played on two different names No, he played on one name, but like that that person's name that he played on plays mud Also, he played on like how henry plays on the marksman All right, I don't know if he does that I I'm just I don't know. I don't know who whatever, but I'm just saying like but yeah But if henry tried to qualify for marksman You know, I mean if henry qualified on marksman's name On the xbox leaderboards even though marksman never played a game henry would have been bad That's why I'm saying I don't think ea can really do as much as we think that they can do You know what I mean? Because if because if ea went seen they would see like oh henry only plays We can leak. You know what I mean or whatever it is So It's definitely definitely a dark time man, but like I said, I think 64 should pretty much always be the number I know they made the 100 or the 96 so they could add the 32 people from We can leak I guess yeah I mean The 64 would be a good number. I don't think anybody would have been mad If this tournament was 64 from the beginning, you know, not in the middle of the season make that announcement But it was from the beginning It's well, we wouldn't see all this either. You know what I mean? We wouldn't see all this commotion like it would it was like they're gonna be feeling that legitimately hate each other So like like when these brackets come out this shit is about to be fucking World war two out here, bro You know what I mean like like everybody I already know emb's probably got the draft tweets ready to go You know what I mean? So like it's it's gonna be nuts like oh this I got banned but this guy didn't you know, I mean like how many people We're gonna tweet that like You know, I mean, it's just like that's why the best thing they can do is just say this is the bracket Go ahead. Yeah, exactly. Well another idea I had with this like last minute thing man What if they like said all right, this is the weekend the tournament going to be over or the leader will be over and not give that specific time But they give you a month to play and say this is the weekend the tournament going in We don't want to tell you if it's saturday or sunday, but it's going to be sometime in those days So there's not this countdown to the last second where people try to cram in all these games and everything Do you think that could work? I mean, it's kind of tough not having a cutoff But it would remove all this, you know last second collusion Yeah, I think it I just think it's going to be they put themselves in a tough spot with like this this top 32 because like It's going to be so tight No matter what because there are more than 32 players that that are super passionate and want to be in the tournament You know what I mean like and and another thing is it's the last tournament Everybody's like if I get banned if I get banned, I wasn't going to make the tournament anyways Who gives a fuck? You know what I mean like if if you were 40th and got 10 free wins You weren't going to make it anyways So why wouldn't you try to take the wins? You know what I mean? Like you weren't going to get in anyways You know what I mean do everything you can I mean, that's a good point And like you can get banned there's no man challenge part two in June. So Yeah, that's really nothing else to play for at that point. I just think uh The leaderboard, I mean, honestly, I I I don't had the biggest complaint about the leaderboard I think I mean if you grind it obviously the top 10 people were the top 10 people because they play the game And it's not like I don't think there's any bums that all of a sudden are the top five player You know, I've always thought even obviously back man 17 They had to like fix the leaderboards every once in a while Especially the man 17 is when joke and was just at marco the whole time about the leaderboards But since they kind of fixed them, I think the leaderboards have been pretty good Ultimately, I'd love to see a record and Win percentage and some type of strength of opponent or something that would be awesome You know, I think it was but even then you're gonna be like Like the strength of schedule you're gonna be like this don't make no sense Like uh, this guy was bad, you know, I mean and I think it hurts like a lot of people play late in the leaderboards There's not a lot of people that just play throughout. You know what I mean? So like like I don't I don't know who who played early But you know, I know like for instance ice played early His record is like insane, but he wasn't playing no one maybe you know, I mean like how do you really? You'd have to like take juice away You know, I mean as that other person played more games like what his strength of schedule go down Like as the other people kept playing so like it would make it really tough In my opinion to do that type of stuff, but but also you would like to see it. I would like to see What what do I need to get ahead of this? I would just like to star if I could just see everybody star, you know what I mean? Like without having to play that person, you know what I mean? I wish everybody's star was just visible so I can know because people complain about like I play I won five games in a row and I didn't pass this guy It's like you don't you don't really know where this guy's at. Yeah, you don't know how far away you are You're just behind him point system, you know, so you can see where you are in the leaderboard So I got 1500 points and you behind me you got you know, 1400 now I know if you win one game will be tied So now I know damn now I gotta play because one game and we're tied, you know something to Know that this is be cool in the record. You got a shoulder record that we got get over this childish You know, if your leaderboard sucks to the point where somebody with a good record and I don't think that's the case I really don't think I don't think somebody with a 500 record people said Oh, they play a lot again. Somebody that's 150 and 100. I don't think they're in the top five You know, I don't think it's like that. I think, you know, jay wall and clef and b pro all these guys have good records Everybody in the top 10. I think has a good record and I don't think it's that big a deal where they can't show the record That's how I feel about that and I think it's something that definitely should do but I would say uh, I would say one I would say one if you went 150 and 100 I would say you should probably be in the top 32 though Like being that serious. Yeah, I think it would be both of the people played, you know How many games other people play once you learn that then in compared to other people? Yeah, I don't think that's that terrible But that's how I don't think that's in the top 100 Yeah, people think people But the top five I would say shouldn't be but I think that there's Like I know I didn't play enough games to be top 10 or whatever and my record's not that good either You know what I mean? Like my record ain't no 150 and 100 but You know what I mean? I think it's I think it's like there's a fine line that like it makes It makes it there are some things that are tough on EA like where they can't do no, right? You know what I mean? But they also they don't do themselves any favors like that's a hundred percent fact They don't do themselves no favors at all You know I just don't understand it. They stay dead silent. You know what I mean? I just never understood that like I don't know No, I definitely want to see I'll show you this because My man ish man ish is a character And he was the main one that was that I'll show you guys this he was the main one on Twitter. He said ban everybody I think that was saying He said ban. Look at he says he said man. Lee. I was do your job and blame all these suckers. That's what like He said 11 suckers and I didn't get any dms from ish So I didn't get he I told him DM me to people He said he can name the people that went out there And you know I'm saying and do your job and ban these suckers all 11 of them All 11 people man. That's that's crazy. Now ish. Obviously he's been around for a long time Yeah, let me see Oh, what do you say? Oh, man, marco brace yourself bands are coming. May the eyes be in your did marco really say this No, no, no, no may the eyes be in your favor ever. So I made a fake fake No, and it's an issue Thanks, you All right, we're yeah, all right, I think he's I think he's okay. All right So that's all and now now, you know, I have a little bit little little birdies in the world and they send me pictures like this Well, it's just gamertag says 22 PayPal for the win Wait, what? So it's just it's just, you know, he's messaging people. Please quit. I'll send you $20 Oh, no, they said go to the second quarter and I'll quit. This is ish This is the same ish that said ban everybody. That's what he said. Yes 22 the 20 for the PayPal win. So my question is if he went ahead and asked one person this How many people did he ask for the win is my question? I'm saying this was 16 hours ago xbox So definitely last night. So it's definitely it's definitely go from me from over here Band all the suckers But from that to now a sunny look bang free wins You know, the these are things that you really do. Just hate to see you hate to see it You know, just because your guy there really just You know a guy like me a guy like me roots for a guy like ish in life. You know what I mean? I think everybody You want to soon be successful and everything you say, but I mean You can't just you just can't play both sides of the fence chat, you know what I mean? It's really not it's really not Now listen, it's not It's not conducive to play both sides man If you want to be the one screaming, you know ban everybody you can't be the one and somebody DM asking for a free win chat That's just not really really what the move is honestly But Mo how many free wins have you given out or gotten in your man career? uh I don't think I've ever given one. I've probably I would assume I've probably got one maybe uh I don't know when I'm playing top four. I don't think I I don't think I got free wins though I mean, I would definitely would have taken them. I don't think I really did. I was playing the game a ton Yeah Well, I mean, I'm not that's what I'm saying like I'm not one of these people that's just up here like Saying that this stuff doesn't happen. You know what I mean? Or or if I wasn't if I was number 35 If I wouldn't I got I wouldn't take it. You know, I mean, I feel like that's my biggest thing with the man community And then that's what you talk about Everybody everybody want to try to do something to cheat and if they won't allow it. I mean You can't really get mad at other people for doing that type of stuff, you know And I think that's what makes us corny though. You know, I mean is when when we all like Like it's just like a it's a fuck you like you know what I mean? Like everybody's just like nah Okay, I got caught cheating. So this got you this guy this this guy this guy this guy like Just take your L move on. You know what I mean? Like you tried But if you get busted like how can you really say anything? You know what I mean? Jesus W. You didn't just show that the person though No, I missed it. They saw the bottom of my text. They definitely know who it was. Oh my god, you're asleep Oh You're so sleep Oh, it's it's throwing dms. Okay. Oh with with journey. Oh man, we're gonna expose journey ish. Oh Shit yo, oh no, he's trying to prodigy. Oh, shit. It's what else you got Oh, no, that's what I got more Let's keep the dms. Come on, man And journey a a sick now that this new experience over it's over Damn Wow I'm loving this pocket. Yeah Hey, this took a turn for the I don't even want to I don't even come from being a part of this I can't be a part of the journey demise. I just can't Might be over How does this make any sense though? Like what how can journey do anything? Like what the hell is he doing? Oh my goodness I'm right. I'm right. 35 games away from top 34 but why Oh, they oh, they just didn't want to play. Oh, that's No, I never mind. I'm gonna say how I read it. I don't understand Yeah, I don't know if he was trying to match up with prodigy. I don't know Uh-oh. Oh jaybird. Okay What is this? The in the integrity of our sport was compromised last night. I trust that you will do the right thing And conduct thorough investigation all part responsible who broke TLC Is that terms of conduct? If not, please provide game results Opponent name time stamp and score for the following players last night from 11 p.m To okay, I went from 13 to 31 within this time frame My guide T more needs to be in not accusing anyone on this list However, everyone in this list made a jump 30 11th hour. Oh tackless squid. Whoa FMB monster. Whoa Chosen Hornet Chichi Rideau our guy SDW stickwork 90a zero Interesting Phantom all Yeah, I don't really know that's what I was hoping to happen. I hope that everybody gets banned And I'm just playing like three people. I hope they don't let nobody in I hope I just play like three other people for the for the for the five stacks and the the chance at the mad and shit Whatever it is Oh Damn y'all really explosive y'all y'all ain't shit Oh my god Who's this? I don't know. I can't even really see it. I don't know y'all can't see this shit What is this? Somebody buying coins Is this what y'all sent me somebody buying coins? Yes Some guy named isle head. All right. Come on man. Y'all can't just be sending me any damn picture I know you didn't come up money and then was mad that the dude bought coins from you though Ish, what happened ish? We got one picture. You can't just say I have more Oh, this was beast mode Beast mode burnt somebody for coins No, he did I'm buying five million disappeared What Hey all all power to beast mode. That's fucking tough Ish man need more ish pictures Ish let me down man. It's the one picture. You got ish I don't know what's in there saying he's got more. Yeah, it's let us down really I ain't really bring nothing to the party Ish you got more we need more work This is crazy Beast mode burst somebody buying coins. That's good. That's wild I was back 1.5 milli rock for the free That's the old dumbass fall. Oh, this dude gave out for me. Okay, that sounds good to do Like what what beast mode is on a creep twitch account? I don't know what he's on Why we really can't believe ish was out there sending out all the tweets and do just do just as the the xbox picture I'll say 20 I'm such a huge 20 How would you burn? No, burn us somebody for you'll be in a belt winner and burn us somebody for coins is crazy You can't with that then burst somebody for 1.5 The hot 60 bucks, though What is it 70 70 dollars or something you can't do that That's no good 90 physical card 90 seems risky, you know It's all we got damn It's you let us down chat There's no way that's beast mode though That's what I heard Man does not have the worst community Yeah, I agree. I don't know why people say that like People are tripping. Yeah. Yeah, wow I heard people bitching about mlb all day today about bloop singles and all this other shit Yeah ish that issue as well, but did anybody expect different though? That's my question, man It I think we would have been more surprised if ish was legit grinding the leaderboard and not trying to get free wins That would be more surprising So that's me like to see ish name pop up I mean the journey scandal is really the news of the podcast though, man The perfect disney child Was dashboarding, you know already in mad and bull doesn't even have to play dashboard I mean we're talking about The disney protege man the person they model they have a different color theme to the mud the mud program right now That's for the disney program that they're pushing, you know and to really Find out the journey is just scum like the rest of us, man Is really the the hard part of this podcast tonight, man Shout out to the disney All right, man So since ish disappeared he has no more pictures for us We got we got belt winners Scamming coins we got disney troop dashboarding on the last hour Yeah, that stuff ain't true dreamy you can do that No dreamy you should because they do be taking all my shit and running with it all the time like it's super serious Every time like like the time that they wrote the uh, they wrote an article on how skimbo was really a rich guy scamming people for their coins I'm firm like as much as I could joke with all it takes is like one person to take this shit serious And it's just over So dreamy did not do anything illegal But I mean that time they wrote the article on skimbo stealing could be a rich So what do you think is going if you had to say what you thought was going to happen? What do you think is going to happen? What with the with the bands with the bands or no bands, what do you think they're going to They can't not do anything First of all, the whatever they do is going to be bad Whatever they do, they can't do right Let's find out how many journey joke with facebook's there are I can't lie chatting on facebook is pretty crazy too. I can't lie Facebook chat, where are we at? All right, how many It's a fake journey All right, let's see Let's see how many journey jokers journey joker, there it is Oh, that's a couple only two with pictures though. I think only two with pictures. Yes only two pictures The third one down is definitely journey before he Oh, this is the old journey. Yeah This might be this might be middle school. It definitely is 2011 Oh my god And it's really no I've been joining jokers and this is exposed during some more It's really what man. That's crazy. You are really the only journey joker in the whole world This isn't a real person That surprises you I mean you think it's another albanian. I mean journey is probably just like the drew of albanian It can't be like, you know what I mean? Is you think journey is like a unique name in albanian? Yeah I don't know journey is a unique name in albanian I think it's just drew we're like Something like that Let's take a look How are these journey pictures? Okay This is it Yeah, the journey is a funny dude, man Jeez Damn, this one an all-star for journey when he won the coach k up in new york All right Because he did not like I said He didn't do anything wrong So youtube twitch all you guys do not start airing out journey the disney movement is still in effect All he did was try to help out prodigy. That's all doesn't really count But anyway, anything else you want to add to the show more? No, I'm good, man You're good. Well, I appreciate you coming by talking a little bit about free wins and bunch and trips Which the shit doesn't matter, but I am gonna run Trips and we can leave I think I don't know I might I might do 10 trips 10 bunch Let's see how we do and best of luck go 15 and 8 But I appreciate you coming by for real man. We wanted to do this a little more often. No doubt, man. All right, my god That was serious mo belt winner himself I'm saying chat. I appreciate you guys coming through man for real man There's a lot of stuff to talk about man. I'd let the trips and bunch debate Obviously you guys learned that not all man players are You know equal when it comes to talking and debating, you know, I think j wall like I said He's only eight years old. So once he gets a little older his hairline get pushed back a little bit He's going to become a little more able to speak and a little more Pronounced in his Presence, you know, I don't know about this 31 to 7 game I think they made that up and I will not forget the time j wall his first appearance on my podcast Was to threw me under the bus, which was pretty crazy when we really think about a chat and uh But I'm glad we talked about trips and bunch Like I said youtube hit the hit the comment section, man Which one do you think is easier to run not which one's better? Which is more annoying, but which one's easier to run also Which one gives you more trouble when you're playing weekend league? Would you rather defend bunch or you rather defend trips? That's another thing you are putting the comment section below man. Also, man, what should EA do about free wins My my solution to this is not do anything. I think that's the best move they can make Whether they put Collin back in the tournament with because It was such a great area. So what's a free win? What's not we really have no idea What they're what they what their capabilities are as far as seeing who won and who lost and who gave a free win this and a third Obviously, I think they should use the man league ops twitter Put the bitch on record walk over to whatever technology they have to show the games and go ahead and say look We just saw x y and z played this game and show the people what they can actually see That way that way where we are afraid to cheat We are afraid to get these free wins because like I said, everybody's been a part of the free wins, man Nobody is excused from cheating and mad. Nobody is I will tell you honestly to this part As much as I I'm tired talking about skimbo. He's the biggest nerd in the world He is probably the only person I honestly can tell you Hasn't bought any coins in his life hasn't cheated on any leaderboards because he's like like I don't think the man community really realizes how big of a nerd skimbo is But I will vouch for the fact that I know he's never cheated on anything Other than that, I think everybody has found some way to cheat some way to do anything and myself included I mean and it's tons of more stories of collusion and cheating that will continue to talk about another podcast man But this one pretty much just about free wins and I really just think ea should show us what they can see And if they're not going to show us what they can see that pretty much tells me they can't see enough To make these rulings on who won and who lost But like I said, I was a part like I said, I gave them about three free wins to get in the first Man 17 the buffalo bills and he got banned because of it. So they obviously saw that we played So I think they should show like bang. Look look twitter. This is what we can see So please don't be out there giving free wins, you know, and that's that's pretty much what they should show us That way we're not doing it and also If they it's it's hard to ban anybody But we'll see what they do in my opinion I think the best thing they're gonna do is not do anything And just keep it how it is man because they're gonna get into a gray area if they start banning people all over the place Also, man, my idea of not having to set time when the leaderboard ends man I don't know if you I think that's crazy But I think if if you get somebody a month to play a leaderboard At you shouldn't wait for the last day You know, and that's why I think there shouldn't really be a last day It should be this we're gonna stop the leaderboard on the weekend of May 4th and 5th, but we're not gonna tell you exactly the time But let's we're gonna cut it off on saturday sometime, you know, and then later they come on with the point But you have a whole month to grind a leaderboard man And I will tell you and most of the people will vouch for this If you want to be top seven leaderboard the grind starts the week It's opens it doesn't start, you know the last day it doesn't start the last weekend and damn sure doesn't start the last hour So to me personally, uh I think if you want to grind a leaderboard you got to start right when that shit opens man And all the people that watch out 10 will tell you man I really started probably one of the top when it was uh the first week And it's the easiest time to go because a lot of these a lot of these guys that like you just saw Mo and everything and Joe writes and everything if If those guys want to try they think and see man players think they're fucking jesus man That's one thing that they think they're oh, I only got to play 60 games You know, so they're not going to play to the last week So the first two weeks you're going to play easier people So go ahead get your wins move up the leaderboards and be in position So that way people can't chase you down You don't got to worry about all this free wind stuff getting in the last day man That's definitely a tough way To do things man and uh Like I said, I think ending it on a weekend rather than a specific time would be a good idea And and ultimately man, I'll tell you chat one of the biggest things I love I love the name on top of the screen when you play game man, but if they somehow remove that name You know, then you couldn't do that Or remove I guess obviously you can't remove recent players or check on your dashboard who who you're playing Maybe just find some way to not reveal that to the second quarter You know, so after the kickoff then the name pops up or something like that man Essentially don't have the name pop up in the pregame loading So you can't dashboard or anything like that, you know, maybe that's a good idea I don't know. I don't know anything about video games making video games making an interface making xbox and uh it's definitely Something I think if the name wasn't there Or if the name popped up in the second quarter because obviously it's cool No one who you're playing but at the same time if it popped up in the second quarter that'd be way I think that would be cool. I think that'd be a way to stop people from knowing who they're getting any game with right away really but Yeah, I just it's It's tough But I think a 64 person we talked about said there's a bunch of pockets A 64 person tournament wouldn't have these problems because it'd be a lot easier to quite get in there and it wouldn't have A small window for people to go ahead and try to get into the 64 I've never had something this crazy in the 64 man tournament. Like if you're fighting for spot 64, you God bless your heart man. It's pretty much over for you man. That's pretty much how it's going to be If you can't make the 64 and put the controller down as far as competitors concerned, but Um, I said this was needed podcast episode 25 man This was needed episode 25 25 straight weeks. I believe it was 25. I hope it's 25 I really honestly don't remember what number it was I think 25 is uh Let me see. Let me check my youtube 22 23. Yes, this is episode 25 man Yeah, I mean people buy coins in my packs, but this was episode 25. Hit the like button Hit the comment button, man. I appreciate all you guys coming by I appreciate all you guys contributing to trying to cleft and jay wall the trips and bunts represented shot the mo talking about a bunch of Nobody is streaming man right now. There's not a soul streaming John man football. It's pretty wild actually Oh my man wheels My man shop master. Oh my man Jimmy. My man Jimmy shows hella support man Let me go rating my man Jimmy But all right chat man. I appreciate all you guys I appreciate you guys coming out man. Maybe I'll pop a stream a little later We'll see man, but this was needed podcast episode 25