 We are recording. All right. Welcome to November. For a special meeting of the Amherst conservation commission. The only native on our agenda is to issue an order of conditions for proposed. Residentials home at. Two can have an Amherst mass. And do you have. The proposed orders. I do. This is a little weird. I'm not used to doing this from here. Actually at your computer. Yeah. Okay. So I'll just. Let's start by talking about the mitigation because that was at the last meeting. The discussion point was how much to require for the mitigation. We had asked Mark Stinson to come up with a proposal. Which he submitted to us. The proposal for the BVW fill, which is like a hundred square feet of BVW fill for the driveway access, he proposed $1,500. And then for the proposed buffer zone mitigation, he had proposed $1,092. And with the noted. Plantings here on this plant list. And as Michelle noted during the hearing, it was like a plant list that had had an old. Date on it. And so Michelle had asked them to get an updated. Um, quote so that we were solid on the plant numbers. So they came back with. Two, um, Estimates and one was Amherst nursery. For the, all the same plant listings. And that came out to $2,084. And then they had an alternate estimate, which was from New England wetland plants, which had. Um, So the plant list wasn't apples to apples for comparison. What I did here, just because I was trying to. Break the difference was to say. The original estimate. Plus the Amherst nursery estimate divided by two. And where did that get us? And that's this 1588. So I was just trying to kind of like wrap my mind around it and what we were asking for. Um, It's really at the commission's discretion in terms of what you. Want to ask for, for mitigation contribution. But because. Michelle is Michelle has been really. Uh, awesome in assisting with us trying to come up with sort of a mitigation calculator that we can use in the future on projects that where we can actually plug in the numbers that are specific to a given project and come up with a calculation for an in lieu contribution to the wetland mitigation fund. Um, since we're not there yet, we were trying to come up with like a fair middle ground for this specific application, which is unique. Um, and so that's, that's where we are today. Um, So I think we should discuss. What the commission thinks is fair by way of the contribution. Um, before we get to the actual like list of conditions in the order. Yeah. I mean, I think that the. Amherst nursery updated quote that. Mark's admitted should be the minimum. For the buffer zone mitigation. So I'd say the total we should. Suggest is the 1500 plus 2084. Um, cause I mean. Plant costs aren't going to go down. So if we want this amount of plantings, I think. We should go with the most realistic and accurate. Estimate. Um, I also think that that amount, total amount of money is. Not too much to ask given what's going on at the site, the scale of the project, et cetera. But I'm interested to hear others. I agree with that. I mean, seems pretty straightforward. Yeah. I don't, um, yeah, I think it's, uh, it. What makes sense is to go with, uh, with. Prices and, uh, And such that are available today, uh, as. As a whole and not, you know, uh, Not cut it, you know, not cut it down by, uh, By whatever the original estimate is and, uh, Not take into account, uh, a partial, uh, Partial estimate. So I agree that, uh, The Amherst, uh, nursery. Updated Amherst nursery prices should prevail. I also agree that we should, um, Use the updated nursery prices and. What we asked was just the update of the current cost. So that's what that is. Um, I guess one of the bigger, bigger questions I have here is, Um, Or concerns is that because we are hopefully transitioning to a more Standardized way to calculate and lieu fees that. We, Is it possible to consider this as sort of our. You know, pre pre. Determination to that so that this is not going to be some kind of, Um, Preston or benchmark that's going to be used in the future. And I bring this up because, you know, As far as like typical and accepted in lieu fee programs go, There's many costs that aren't included in this, like, For example, the taxes or the fuel to pick up the plants or the Delivery fee, Or, you know, the contingency on the Arbor, If the deer eat them in the first few months. Um, you know, the time to water them for a few weeks, The labor to dig. Well, I guess the digging labor is there, But not necessarily the fuel. So, you know, in short, There's a lot of prices that are included in a typical in lieu Fee, which essentially is the transfer of the mitigation Responsibility to the entity, which is us. So I think at the minimum, We should take the maximum of the quotes. And I just hope that we can soon segue on to a more standardized Way of calculating this with agreed upon cost items. Point taken. And I think for the record, we should say that. This case is not. Is not to be used as precedent for any future. In lieu cost estimates for mitigation. Mostly because the permitting process for this particular project Is extremely abnormal. And didn't follow kind of the normal. Kind of workflow. And so. In order to, you know, Meet our responsibilities of moving through the permitting process and closing this. This order of conditions we need to keep moving here. We can't delay further in order to establish our. Mitigation cost standards, but it definitely should not be used as precedent. For future. Mitigation cost estimates. If anyone has a better way. Please go ahead. Yeah. And I'll make sure that the minutes for the, this session reflect what the state that you just made. Jen. Yeah. Thank you. Or something more articulate. If anyone wants to take a crack. But I just want to. Tie a tie a knot around this that this needs to. For many reasons this needs to be done. So we cannot delay in order to establish better. And nerds, but it should not be used as precedent for future. Cost estimating for a contribution to the wild mitigation fund. In lieu of actual. Replication or mitigation. Okay. Another way you couldn't. Another way you could include that in the record is to actually include it in the motion to state that in the motion that's made for the approval. But. Absolutely. We'll include it in the minutes regardless. Okay. Thanks Aaron. All right. So I feel like we have consensus. On this. Cost. If we're, if we're adding the 1500 to the 2084. The contribution would be $3,584. To the. Wetland fee. The wetland. Mitigation account. Great. You have that in the bottom as a placeholder Aaron. Oh, thank you. Sorry, I'm a little. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Friday. I know. Tg, I have. Okay. There we go. So do you want me to just run through these? I don't know what the easiest way to do this is. Yeah, why don't you do a run through Aaron and then we can reference your run through in the motion. Okay. So our standard boilerplate state and local conditions, are limited to pre-construction meeting erosion control inspection site monitoring for the life of construction until fully stabilized. Permanent demarcation of the limit of work line with boulders must be completed prior to any work beginning. They also had proposed putting in signage, like a permanent signage. So. This could be boulders. Or the signage that they proposed. But the signage, they wanted to use the signage, particularly along the driveway, because there's not very much room. It's like really tight to the driveway. So they want to signage along the driveway. I remember this. No vegetation. Removal is permitted outside of the limit of work line. Sorry. Site monitoring by a third party competent professional wetland scientists during construction phase from groundbreaking to final stabilization with erosion controls. When erosion controls are removed. So for the entire life of construction, they'd have to have it monitored until I do a final inspection. Inspections shall include photos of the entire site, entire erosion control boundary recommendations for maintenance and repair. These reports must be submitted in an informal. Or maybe submitted in an informal email format. Erosion control monitor must be approved by the conservation commission and wetlands administrator prior to the start of the process. So the entire work. Included that because we've had some issues recently with people wanting folks who aren't really competent. And it's become a problem. Erosion controls must circle entire work area, not just. On the east side of the driveway. Along entire erosion control boundaries, staked straw bales must be used from road pavement on the north side of the road. To pavement on the south side, there's a lot of construction fence to demarcate the work. Clearly at the close of working today, a straw waddle or straw bale line must be used across the driveway entrance to prevent sediment from leaving the site through the driveway access. This is mostly because I don't want it's like a safe to fail measure. I don't want them saying, we didn't see the limit work line and drove over it. The orange construction fence will, we'll keep them in, in the site. 30 foot stone construction entrance use at the driveway apron on the north side of the driveway entrance. The site will have a four inch rip rap uses a tracking pad to prevent sediment from being tracked in the roadway. Wetlands administrator will have a sign off on the order of conditions indicating work may begin following the pre construction meeting and erosion control inspection. Contractor shall sign the original order of conditions in the presence of the wetlands administrator, acknowledging that they've read and fully understand all requirements. If runoff is documented coming off of this property during or in the order of conditions. This entire lot is within the buffer. Only native plantings may be used on this site, including landscaping and perpetuity. No additional wetland or buffers own alteration is permitted on this lot in perpetuity and that's an ongoing condition in the order of conditions. Any condition in the order of conditions. If any condition in the order of conditions is not adhered to. The property will be subject to an immediate cease and desist order. The consent must be fully adhered to any changes to the plan must be approved by the conservation commission. No activity may proceed until the applicant has received all other permits required by law, including, but not limited to any permit required by health inspections built planning board zoning board of appeals. Before any site work begins, the applicant shall record the order of conditions at the registry of deeds and submit proof of recording to the conservation commission and the commission is requiring an $84 contribution to the wetland mitigation fund to compensate for the proposed impacts. Okay. So we need a motion and it's at the bottom of the slide. I make a motion to issue an order of conditions with the above noted conditions for a lot to Canton Avenue, DEP number 089 dash 0704 with the noted special conditions. And also noting that this shall not be a precedent for future cases. Second. The second for Michelle voice vote, Michelle. Hi. Andre. Hi. Sludger. I. I'm also an I unanimous. That's it. Right. We did it. That's it. You guys did it. Okay. Thanks for making time for this. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks. Thanks for working with me guys. Sorry about missing last week. And thanks for being on the schedule for today. No, this is. Be careful out there. Where are you? Yeah. I'm on to you. Sam planes. Ooh. Yeah. Yeah. We got fire on the ground and I'm supposed to be the holding boss, but hey, it's all right. Good guys with me. I've been hearing. I make a motion to adjourn. Yes. Oh, nice. Motion to adjourn. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Voice about Michelle. Hi. Andre. Hi. I. I'm also an I. Thanks everyone. We'll see you next week. Thanks. All right. Bye.