 Five, right? That's that's the reference. Is that right? That's what that song is, isn't it? Start me up. Well, it's a rolling stone song. No, you could have gone along with the joke, dude. I was going to go like it's a Bill Gates song. So Patrick, lean back just a little bit. You see, let me go back to you like being back. Because I noticed that when you move toward the screen, not that far back, like, you know, upright, can you? Because like when you move forward, it just you your face gets cut off and it looks like you're trying to mug the camera a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, it's I mean, the camera is a new Logitech camera that is kind of too close. Is it a C920 still? No, no, that. Well, I'm still in Paris and I got another one so I didn't need to open the Mac. Every time I wanted to do a show with video and it's a cheaper Logitech and it's a little bit like a 910 or something. No, not even. It's like a 540. It's a Logitech zero. Yes. It's a Logitech camera. I can't put it farther. No, it doesn't work. You can see part of my head if you want. You look like Wilson from Home Improvement. Was that that show? Home Improvement. I never watched Home Improvement much. I think I saw it a few times. It says not tomatoes. It's a comedian. All right, Roger, you're going to try to keep pace with the lightning round with the screens. I'm impressed. Don't go too fast. Well, we got to go fast, though. That's what she said. Don't go too fast. So that's not what he said. No, it was Roger. Yeah, but it's not as funny. I'm not. I'm obviously not very funny today. Well, I couldn't remember if start me up was Windows 95 or Windows 98. It was 95 because it was the first time the start. Yeah, yeah, makes sense. All right, all right. I'm just raining on your parade. Let's go at 1055. Give give people two minutes to join on in, get so much CES. We've got to start or more things will break. Yeah, I also already didn't put the ASUS Vivo PCX in. Honestly, all of those laptops, it's kind of it's a little bit whatever. Yeah, I kind of threw them in there to kind of make that point, to be honest. The Vivo is a desktop, though. It's a compact VR desktop. OK, let's roll. Patrick, I have but one question for you. I was born ready. Damn, how'd you know? You're born psychic. I was born both of those things. I was born all of the things. All right. I'm like, just keep thinking it's going to flip to 1055. But that's not that I'm like on the atomic clock here. But I think at some point, well, you might be on the atomic clock. Isn't that what the Internet uses to? Oh, there you go. All right. Here we go. This show is brought to you by audience members like me, not outside organizations to find out more. Go to Daily Tech News Show dot com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, January 3rd, 2017. I'm Tom Merritt, Patrick Beja, alongside from France this time. And we have a little bit of CES News, Patrick. Yeah, it's it's it's started. It's happening. It's happening already. CES has started. So as CES starts Thursday, all of the press announcements are raining upon us today. And we're going to share some of the ones we find most interesting off the top. We're going to have some top stories about CES and other announcements to discuss, and then you're going to talk about a cloud PC service you've been trying out called Shadow, which is pretty interesting. Yeah, we'll we'll discuss things. There are pros and cons, but all of them are interesting. So all right. So before we get to the top stories, it's time for the temporary feature CES lightning round. We're going to move through these really fast folks. We'll each read the headline and then the other person gets up to five words to react. Are you ready, Patrick? You know, I was born ready. So, of course, here we go. Rokat announced the leader, no E, wireless mouse with virtually zero latency. They're not the first ones. The 3D rudder wireless is a foot powered VR mouse that moves you. I'm sorry, that moves you the direction you tilt it with your feet coming in spring for one hundred and ninety nine bucks for Oculus Vive and Gear VR. I'm afraid I'll fall. G's Wi-Fi oven now works with Nest. So if the Nest protects smoke alarm senses smoke, it can tell the oven to shut down. I want a RoboCook. Lynx's joined Eero, Luma, Plume, Google and Netgear with a set of mesh Wi-Fi routers. Three units bundle of the Vellop routers costs four hundred and ninety nine dollars for preorders today and in stores January 15th. They look like small buildings. They do. Tongfang Global introduced four KTVs under its Westinghouse element and Seiki brands, ranging in four sizes from forty three inches to sixty five inches, running Amazon's Fire TV OS and Amazon Voice Services available later this year. No price. I want a four KTV now. That's that six words. Damn it. Let Echo announced two of its Android powered bicycles with four inch touch screens are coming to the US in Q2. No price was announced. I want to ride bicycles. Mayfield Robotics began taking pre-orders for its seven hundred dollar Kuri robot for shipping later in the year. It roams the house with a 1080p camera, dual speakers, four mics, Wi-Fi and Bluetooth as well as support for if does it cook? HB announced the fifteen point six inch four K specter X three sixty will be one point nine millimeters thicker than the previous model in order to add three more hours of claimed battery life for a total of twelve hours forty five minutes. It's expected to arrive February twenty sixth starting at a thousand two hundred and seventy eight dollars. I like more battery life. Good work, HB. Ev Leeks spotted a leaked blog post from Qualcomm describing its ten nanometer Snapdragon 835 processor with twenty five percent faster graphics, VR optimization and forty percent less power usage under load. Awesome graphics on mobile. Dell announced a new Kaby Lake Conspirian seven thousand laptops starting at seven hundred ninety nine dollars and new Alienware laptops with Kaby Lake and and four K including the Alienware seventeen with the GTX ten eighty old models will be available starting January fifth. It's all about Kaby Lake. Aces announced a refresh to its laptops and desktops with Kaby Lake processors and four K support available now or in May twenty seventeen depending on the model. That's way too light. Thankfully Acer's seventeen point six pound twenty inch predator twenty one X laptop will cost eight thousand nine hundred ninety nine dollars when it ships in February among the highlights specs are the at that price are the sixty four gigabytes of RAM of RAM gigabits gigabytes. I've always confused by this gigabytes of RAM dual GTX ten eighty video cards to be eye tracking for five five hundred and twelve gigabytes solid state drives in a raid stripe. The company also introduced the two thousand five hundred ninety nine predator seventeen X with only one GTX ten eighty and a refresh of the Aspire five nitro light laptops eight thousand nine hundred nine dollars. That's just too much. But you get seventeen point six pounds of it. If you count by the pound. Yeah. I think it's. No it's it's it's it's worth every penny. And pound penny per pound. Anyway here are some more top stories. Intel announced the full range of its seventh generation Kaby Lake processors with slightly higher clock speeds than the previous Skylake chips integrated GPUs can handle ten bit HEVC H dot two six five video and decode eight bit VP nine streams meaning 4K playback on a wider variety of machines. Essentially they support HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 for 4K output at sixty Hertz although no improvement on the Thunderbolt support for sixty Hertz. New motherboards are Intel Optane memory ready supporting the faster forthcoming Intel cross point storage drives. So essentially this is a minor upgrade to Skylake but it adds some 4K if that's your thing. And H two six five video is kind of cool as well. It's good that we're it's it's the kind of thing that you don't really need initially what's when it's introduced. But once everyone has it and the video players start using it you get better quality for less bandwidth which in today's world bandwidth is a precious commodity. Well and as we heard in that CES lightning round Kaby Lake is is the upgrade like there are several announcements happening today as you may have noticed that are just hey here's the same line as before with maybe a couple of spec tweaks but Kaby Lake processors like that is the big thing and it's not really that much of a performance increase. Like the tick tock of Intel is no longer there. Like this is a half tick sort of so to speak. Is Moore's law definitely dying. No we need a whole show for that one. Yeah I don't know if this means that but it's Moore's law is is definitely not a spry as it used to be right. It's it's a little bit ailing maybe it might be revitalized at some point but maybe maybe maybe we got the 10 meter Qualcomm chip out there. So there you go. That's true for on mobile. It's going great. Yeah. So it's all Intel's failing is what you're saying Tom Intel messes up again is not what I'm saying the DNS host of merit. It's not OK dish announced the air TV set up box running Android TV that can integrate over the air channels into its link TV channel guide. It can also run all Android TV apps and comes with Netflix and YouTube pre-installed the Bluetooth remote has voice control and infrared for controlling sound systems. The air TV is available today for one hundred and thirty bucks or a hundred bucks without the antenna adapter. You can buy the adapter later for 40 bucks. So you pay a $10 penalty if you don't buy the adapter right away. But but the key for this is that adapter. If you're a cord cutter who says shoot I get good over the air reception and I've been looking for an easy way to integrate that with a Kate you know over the internet television service like sling TV and you like sling TV's operating it gives you the channels you want. There's a lot of ifs here then this is a brilliant product because I I have this situation myself. Although I prefer PlayStation View let's say I wanted to use sling TV and I have good over the air reception which I do. Right now I'm using TV to watch my over the air channels. I could just integrate them right here into the air TV. The problem is you don't get the DVR capability on sling TV yet. And I'm not it's unclear whether those over the air channels could be DVR and recorded because this box you know it doesn't have a lot of storage in it. Also if as you said you're a cord cutter that says shoot it's impressive because you live in the 50s. So good on you for court cutting back then. Thank you. Sam Bifert at The Verge got a look at a prototype of Lenovo's first VR headset designed to work with the Windows holographic platform. Headset features two 1440 by 1440 OLED panels aims to be about 40 percent lighter than the HTC Vive. The system has two outward facing cameras for mixed reality applications and doesn't need those external cameras for head tracking like the Vive or the Oculus. Lenovo plans to ship the finished device this year sometime priced between 300 to 400 dollars. So it's cheaper. It's lighter and it's easier to set up. And and those aren't bad panels. This is very intriguing. Now Lenovo also announced its Legion gaming laptops. The 15.6 inch Y 720 has a 4K option. Dolby Atmos Sound GTX 1060 video card. I5 and I7 Kaby Lake processor 16 gigs of RAM. One USB C port, a few USB three ports, HDMI, VGA display ports, 60 watt hour battery. You can also get an optional integrated Xbox One wireless receiver that can handle up to four controllers. Then there's the Y 720 available in April starting at thousand three hundred ninety nine dollars. OK, then what I meant to say is then there's the Y 520, which has similar specs, but only offers the 1050 from Nvidia, the 1050 Ti, no 4K option or Thunderbolt support. That one's available earlier. It's coming in February at eight hundred ninety nine dollars. So that's more of a casual gaming machine, but it's a lot cheaper. Lenovo also announced a home speaker with Amazon voice services. It's got eight mics can handle commands up to 16 feet away. One hundred twenty nine dollars coming in May or you can get one with a Harman Kardon speaker for one hundred seventy nine dollars. And Lenovo announced updates to the Mix line and now has a Mix seven twenty detachable and a bunch of new ThinkPad X ones, including a silver ThinkPad X one. And all of those have Kaby Lake processors in them as well. So lots of laptops, I think by now we get the theme of this show. Today get those laptops announcements out. Yeah. But the their VR headset is really interesting because it works with the Windows holographic platform. So it means it does mixed reality and, you know, all of those holographic things through the cameras, I'm guessing. And it's a lot cheaper than Microsoft's HoloLens. But of course, that has the computer integrated into the headset. And that's the developer version. It's it's kind of priced to keep the consumer away from it, I feel like. Yeah, probably. But it's still, you know, it's a lot cheaper. It's cheaper than a simple VR headset. So yeah, I'm wondering if this isn't going to start pushing people. It forget about the holographic platform side of it. It's still a VR headset for three to four hundred bucks, which is, you know, half the price of the other contestants. So I'm wondering if Oculus and HTC or Valve aren't going to have to react to these headsets because this is just the first one. I'm guessing we're going to see a lot more. Yeah, there's going to be a lot of these at CES. And don't forget vaporware alert at CES. Whenever they say coming this year, they don't even give you a quarter and no price, my alarm bells start to ring. So I'm not saying Lenovo won't ship it, but it's it's very vague at this point. Ford announced plans to build a range of electric and hybrid vehicles over the next five years. That includes a four thousand three hundred mile range electric sub. Oh, sorry, that's your VSUV. That's my SUV. Oh, right, right, right. As you're not coming out with a submarine, folks, my mistake. A sub would be fun as well. A hybrid F one fifty truck and Mustang in twenty twenty and a fully autonomous electric car to debut in twenty twenty one. In fact, Ford says it plans high volume production for the autonomous car. Ford will build the cars in a flat rock, Michigan hybrid vehicles designed for police will for police use will be built in Chicago. So tons of announcements here, some of them sort of angling towards the. Hey, we're not going to build that plant in Mexico. We're going to put the cars in the United States, which is, you know, something that is becoming a common theme these days to win some applause in the press. But there's also this idea that a fully autonomous electric car fleet like high volume production will happen in twenty twenty one. And OK, that's four years away. It's it's not right around the corner. But I keep getting varying estimates. So there's lots of people who know this space very well, saying autonomous cars are much farther away than you think. But then we keep seeing new economies trying them on the streets. They're not perfect yet. Ubers tried them on the streets. They're not perfect yet. Google is expanding where they try theirs. So and then you see Ford saying, yeah, we're going to have fully autonomous now, does that mean level five, level four, level three? They don't specify that. But we're we're getting closer with everybody saying they're getting closer than a ton to autonomous cars. The most of the experts say that we're going to get. And so I'm curious how this all shakes out. Well, yeah, I mean, twenty twenty one, to be honest, it seems very close, but at the same time, if we look at where autonomous cars were two years ago, I don't think we would have thought that we would have gone that far in just two years. Yeah. So four years away is kind of a lifetime. So I don't know, but we can't say it's not going to happen. And this is the first of a raft of automotive announcements that will happen at CES around autonomous cars and electric cars, to not I don't mean to to diminish the announcement of all these electric vehicles either. They the focus that Ford has, I think is going to be the focus of all these announcements, which is these will be really easy to charge. We're going to try to make it easy for people so they don't have to worry about where and how they're going to charge these. And I'm curious how that plays out to some really sad news. Two Texas parents are suing Apple after their five year old daughter was killed when a driver rear ended them. The driver admitted to the police that he was talking on FaceTime during the accident. James and Bethany Mota set seek damages for quote, the defendant's wrongful failure to install and implement the safer alternative design for which it sought a patent in December 2008. And the US Patent Office did issue a patent to Apple in April 2014 for a method to lock users out of FaceTime while driving. Yeah, so this is kind of a difficult one to comment, but I suspect I mean, if the issue is that the patent, you know, the technology works, but can't, for example, differentiate between the driver and a passenger, you know, it would make sense that Apple wouldn't install it. My initial reaction is you sue the driver, not the company that made the phone. You know, that makes more sense. But at the same time, ultimately, the goal is to have safer, you know, live for lives for everyone as a society. So if that helps in this, maybe, but we don't have enough. Well, it's not an either or that, you know, the driver is facing charges of manslaughter, so it's not like they're letting him off the hook to go after Apple. They are in addition to that pursuing charges against Apple, saying, yes, no, he is responsible and he should, you know, pay for his crime. But Apple should have done more to stop this from being possible. And, you know, we can get into all kinds of conversations of what the responsibilities of a corporation are. But it is very interesting to me that they had a patent to do this. And so is it incumbent on somebody who has a patent on a safety mechanism to implement that mechanism? Especially since if they do have the patent, I mean, that's way too complex. But if they do have the patent, does it mean that no one else can use it, you know, can implement that technology? And does it have it has to be licensed on fair, reasonable, etc. From on those fran terms, I would assume would be one resolution to that. But yeah, I'm curious what people think about this weather. And I know the your instinct is going to be say, hey, the driver should be responsible like Patrick did. And he will be that that is going to happen. So it's not it's not like they're going just after Apple instead. Should they also be going after Apple for not implementing the safety measure? And my heart goes out to these two parents. That's horrible, of course. I mean, I think it's really easy to to take this and see the outrageous nature of it, thinking, yeah, it's not Apple's responsibility. But in the same, you know, there's one story about a lady that got coffee at McDonald's and sued because it was too hot and actually, you know, it spilled on her hands and she got, I don't know, 30 degree burns or something. And the story there is that the coffee made there was purposefully made hotter than it should be for, you know, different reasons. So there was a case. So I'm wondering if the complexity of it makes it less outrageous in this case as well. Yeah, it makes it maybe maybe makes it less dismissible. Yeah. And finally, Quartz reports that Koku Mutual Life Insurance, I Japanized the name here. Life Insurance will replace 34 human insurance claim workers with IBM Watson Explorer, starting in January 2017. Watson can scan records and documents to determine insurance payouts faster, improving productivity by 30 percent. The system will cost about $1.7 million to install and then $128,000 a year for maintenance. So it's going to save this company money. It's going to be efficient and it is going to put people out of work in this case. Now, this has been the question. If AI comes in and takes away jobs, will it actually reduce employment or will those people be moved to things they can do more productively now that they don't have to spend time doing the grunt work? And in this case, it will be very interesting to see who is remains with Fuku Koku Mutual Life Insurance of those 34 jobs, who gets let go. And I don't know if anyone will follow up on this. But if there are people let go because of this because of those 34 jobs being replaced, what do those people do? Are they able to find other jobs? And this is the question of the day as AI comes in. In the grand scheme of things, largely what happens is over time as new technologies replace dredge work, we find new things for people to do because, you know, there's there's there's a certain amount of economy that doesn't go away when it when a job goes away. It just makes it makes it easier for people, right? So we don't have to nail nails into things in factories anymore. We have robots to do that. But factory workers have gone on to do more productive things and make things for cheaper, et cetera, et cetera. But in that transition time is when it can cause problems for individual people who maybe don't have the right skills to move to another job. So I'm fascinated by this report. The really interesting thing here, I think, is the the level of work that is being replaced. This is not, you know, nail nailing. This isn't like assembly. It's actually reading, you know, it's scanning. But in essence, the job of the workers that were doing it before was reading documents, understanding them, deciding, you know, whether how the payout would happen, if it would happen, things like that. If there was a mistake. So it will be interesting to see if Watson can do it faster because this is high level work. And I'm thinking, you know, we used to think that some jobs were safe from computers, but with AI, no one is safe. Are we, Tom? Are we? There are things that are safe. There are things that AI can't do. We can exaggerate what AI can do. And yeah, I mean, that's like saying there are robots can do everything too. And so we don't need people to do any manual labor. And obviously that's not true. So that has yet to be determined, like, what are the things that humans just are better at? Because we have more intuitive thinking and we can make relationships faster. And at what point will I get to that? Eventually, maybe, but we're talking huge time scales. But this well, drudgery work is what Watson is starting to replace. And that is a large sector of employment right now. These are jobs. These people would have been doing manual labor jobs before the Industrial Revolution took place before before steam power and electric power. And so we what we did is over time, we found jobs that say, OK, well, now that now we can have people do these sorts of things. Like like the movie Hidden Figures showed how computers were people that actually did the calculations and they eventually got replaced by computers. But what happened is a lot of those people moved on to being able to administer the computer. So that's going to happen over time. I'm just looking forward to a time when I can do the show with Robo Tom since, you know, it will be able to replace you. I think my job is safe because the lovely, very light accent is difficult to replicate. So I'm confident I'm not going to be replaced. So it's fine. I don't know about that. I bet a shadow PC could work on something like that. Hey, folks, to get all the tech headlines for each day in less than 10 minutes, subscribe to Daily Tech Headlines dot com. And now let's talk about shadow PC. There have been a lot of virtual PCs out there for a long time. You can use VMware parallels. You can you can rent Amazon workspaces and get virtual desktops in the cloud. Roger was saying before the show that there have always been people renting virtual machines so they could run torrents without getting tracked. There are now, however, a growing number of cloud PC providers, some of them providing office PCs for people, some of them providing things like CAD design. If you can't afford to always have the latest computer, you can subscribe to a computer that can do CAD and then work on it from anywhere, including a tablet, if you want. And you have been using one that that seems to be designed for low latency things like gaming. Right. So this is a French company. They just started their early birds offering. So they launched commercially. I'm paying for it. And, you know, the early birds are paying for it. But it is still very early in the development cycle. They're hoping to launch for the public in March. I'm thinking they're still going to be relatively limited when they do. So keep in mind that I've tried it a few hours. It is still early and the software needs to be improved significantly. But there the way that the thing works is that they have at the moment a number of PCs in their offices, in their data centers, and they're renting to you for about 30 euros or 40 euros, depending how long you're going to be subscribed. That PC that you can then access with a thin client and the thin client is currently a physical box and they will have apps in the future on basically all platforms for you to access that PC. So it comes installed with Windows installed and then you can do anything you want. You can install whatever piece of software you want to, including games. And the thing they're doing at the moment is trying to show that this isn't a PC in the cloud that's going to work for maybe if you have something slow, if you're going to be browsing, if you're going to be using an office suit or things like that. It can do actual gaming at a higher level. And the key piece of experience I got out of it is how low the latency is. Basically, they said so when they were doing their communications around earlier in the year, but I didn't believe them. It's the kind of thing where you don't believe that a PC that is distant across the internet can have basically no latency. And honestly, I've played the game that I like the most currently, which is Overwatch, and I've played it for an hour or two. And I could not have told you that I was playing on a distant PC. Now, granted, I might not be the fastest reflex person in the world. I play maybe a hundred millisecond ping. It might not work for a pro eSports gamer. Maybe, but they've tried with other eSports players. And many of them have said I couldn't really tell the difference. The way they do that is that they have basically guaranteed appearing agreements through different companies, but they guarantee very low latency with the main French ISPs. And they require that you have a fiber connection at the moment and that you use Ethernet connection for your client. That's what's happening now. In the future, you might use Wi-Fi. You might use, I'm going to be back in Finland. At some point, I'm going to test it from there. We'll see how it works. The really important thing, though, as I was saying, was in these ideal conditions, I couldn't feel the latency. And that is an incredible achievement. Some people will say, well, it doesn't work over ADSL. It doesn't work for this or that kind of application. But already, the fact that you're using that technology that we've seen for a while now, you know, of transmitting video to you for whatever service and that it does work even in specific conditions without latency or without perceived latency is incredible. That doesn't necessarily mean that it will work commercially, though. This is the technology side of it. Commercially, I'm wondering, Tom, would you be interested in maybe, you know, you travel a little bit. You might not want to have to upgrade your PC, even if, you know, you don't travel. You rent, you pay 30 bucks, let's say, or 40 bucks a month for a PC. And that's the other thing. They upgrade it. They will, at least, that's the promise. They will upgrade it on a yearly basis or so with new technology comes out. As new technology comes out. So would you pay for an always up to date PC, 40 bucks or 30 bucks a year, a month? Sorry, do you need a gigabit connection or just a fiber connection? You need a fiber connection. Currently, I mean, they're ready for 4K. And I saw in their offices, a version of 4K, which is ridiculously, I mean, fast as well, just as fast as 1080p. But you don't need gigabit. You just need fiber for latency rather than bandwidth. I think depending on the quality you set, you'll need between 10 and, you know, 50 megabits per second down. OK, that 50 is 4K and 4K probably with relatively high quality. Even 4K can be done lower, but let's say 10 is so the magic is mostly done on the fact that fiber has some some latency advantages and they've struck deals, by the way, not to get into net neutrality. But whenever you hear about specialized services, when there's net neutrality debates, this is an example, right, where they've struck a deal with the ISP and said, hey, we want to make sure that these packets get in there without latency. Wait a second. They struck a deal. I know it's a third party. I'm not sure there's they're not like I said, I don't want to get into the net neutrality debate, but this is an example of a specialized service. And I'm not saying that these I don't mean to imply that these agreements violate net neutrality somehow at all. But when you're talking about specialized services, this is one where it says, hey, ISP, we need to make sure our packets get in here. What can we do? And there's lots of ways to do that without violating that neutrality. But that said, they that's where the magic happens, right? Because if you can do this on a 50 megabit per second connection, like there's lots of people in the US with 50 megabit per second cable connections, right, they just would need a fiber connection. And fiber is slowly rolling out in more areas. Actually, let me stop you. Sorry, the service I'm using at home is actually cable connection. It's not fiber. Yeah. And it's again, but it's working well. Yeah. And it's working really well. They're also developing and that we have to wait and see how it works. But down the line, they're thinking they might be able to make it work on ADSLE even possibly. Yeah, that's I mean, I'll say that's striking. That's striking some very specialized transit deals, et cetera. And I'm very curious how that works. But getting back to your question, which I've been avoiding up till now. It would I pay for that? And it's very compelling. I love the idea of saying, hey, all my data is available everywhere. So there's a there's a company called Paper Space, which does virtual desktop storage and Linux terminals. And there's a company called Zero PC that does content navigation for the cloud. And they both basically say, keep all your data in one place and access it from anywhere. And I love that idea. It's one of the reasons I try to use cloud services where they are secure and responsible. So I don't have to think about, oh, that's on that drive. And I need to plug that drive into this machine now. And I love that idea. That said, I'm still such a Luddite when it comes to connectivity that I want to have at least my most important data available locally if there isn't an internet connection. And that would be the tripping up factor for me where I'd say, I need I also want to have have my data locally. And I suppose you could do that. You could just mirror data, you know, have a two terabyte hard drive in your laptop and then use this service. But then you're you're kind of getting rid of the advantage, which is, hey, you can get a hundred dollar Chromebook, but have a super powerful PC because your PC is in the cloud. Yeah, I think there are a number of questions there. The price is definitely going to be one. Are they going to have cheaper versions that might be interesting? How well the Android and iOS apps are going to work? How well the Mac app is going to work? Maybe some people are going to use it to get a gaming device somewhere and just, you know, because the Mac is obviously not a gaming device, as we all know, unfortunately. So there are a number of questions there. But I think if it works, let's say down the line, one initially it only works with fiber and then down the line two, three years from now, it's it works reasonably enough that you can do most tasks even on a wireless, you know, a mobile connection if you're traveling and you don't necessarily need, maybe you won't be able to play a demanding competitive game like a Street Fighter or a first person shooter, but even a slower game is perfectly fine. You know, they're trying to show we can do these super demanding things in these conditions. But really what it's saying is anything that is a little bit less demanding is probably not going to be a problem. So two, three years down the line, you only have a very thin client. You can access this from anywhere. It it's kind of thinking about it the same way you think about your data with Dropbox or Google Drive or you know, when you think about it, a lot of the games you play these days need a connection anyway, like Super Mario Run for interest, for example. Yeah. So so you get ubiquitous 5G connections. You get decent Wi-Fi now available in hotels more often. You've got Wi-Fi on more planes. If that if that all pans out, if like 5G is available everywhere, we get this, we get like planes in the sky from Google and Facebook, you know, blanketing us. We get the satellite services blanking. If we get to that point, which is probably within the next five to ten years, then I'm all in on this because what I would want at that point is a Chromebook like machine with a five terabyte hard drive inside. So my data is local and I can still access it when I need to. But all these services and things that I need to be online for anyway are almost are available 99% of the time because there's very few situations anymore in that future that I've described where I wouldn't have some kind of connectivity. Well, I think, you know, even for the data that you think is local, I'm wondering how much of that is actually going to be an issue. We're old people. It's kind of it's almost like, you know, five to ten years, hopefully we're going to have such ubiquitous connections that you don't think about electricity in that way, right? You're not thinking I'm going to keep my paper records in case the electricity suddenly runs out and I can't access my computer records. So in that world, which might happen sooner than we think, I'm wondering if there isn't a financial, you know, very concretely thinking for myself, I don't want to have to bother with upgrading the computer. I don't want to have to bother with, you know, thinking about the hardware failures or whatever. I'm going to rent it just the way that I rent Netflix or Spotify or those services. TVZGun did the math. The Predator 21X, the $9,000 laptop would buy you 25 years of shadow BZ service. Well, the Predator, he's talking about this, probably a little bit more powerful. But then in three years, it's not going to be as powerful. Right, exactly. And I don't think these kinds of services, we're talking about shadow because they have this impressive demo of the lag free experience that just launched now. I mean, literally it was launched four days ago. So we have to understand that this is a very early version of the service. But I really think that it's not going to be for everyone. And you're always going to have people who are going to say, Oh, but I need my data or I need, you know, my games to have zero lag or things like that. But I think some people might like this. And again, I was in their offices when I got my box and they showed me the way you log in. It was kind of magical to just log in from a TV and then log in from a laptop and log in from a phone. I don't know how practical it is to have a phone logged into your PC, but it worked so fast. You know, it was like two seconds to log in faster than Netflix. I don't know if that's the way it's going to work when it's commercially available. But all of this brings unexpected advantages that I think might be interesting for some people, at least. And W. Scott has one points out. Data caps would be a sticking point, too. Oh, yeah, of course. So any any service that has data caps on it is going to be problematic unless those data caps become sky high. Maybe your data cap is a thousand terabytes. And if you know, it's a petabyte data cap and then it's like, OK, well, that that will work or like electricity. The the rate is low enough that you're willing to pay for it. But a lot of Roman in the chat room points out like you're going to have to consider any extra cost you would need to make the service work on your Internet service side. If a 50 megabit per second cable connection that you already subscribe to works with this and you've got and you don't have a data cap on that. That's great. But there's still the mobile aspect of it and what other connections you'll need, etc. And those business models are changing as well. So as this becomes more feasible and as connectivity becomes more widespread, there may be more competition. And what we get charged for Internet is going to change over time. There's a battle for that happening. So there's so many moving parts to the situation. Yeah, it's still very early on. The reason I didn't even really mention data caps is that we don't have them in France, we're a civilized country. Well, do you don't have them on mobile? On mobile, we do. Yes. Yeah. OK. So and I think that's where most people are familiar with them even in the United States. Right. Of course, of course. But I mean, mobile is such a down the line question with these services. If I'm going to rely on my computer to have all of it in the cloud, I'm going to have to have mobile data. Um, I don't know that you do. I mean, your I don't want to go to the coffee shop or I don't want to go. You know, I don't want to go out and about and be like, oh, my computer doesn't work because I don't have data. Like, right, right. Of course, of course. Initially, it's only for local fiber connection. Once again, this is the they basically tell you in order to use the service, you need fiber connections period. So they're not even supporting anything else at the moment. So, yeah, although you were using them. So that's good. It's a good time. Well, Shadow PC, it's a French company. So only available in France right now, but we'll have some links to some other similar services if you want to take a look and compare if you happen to not be in France. We also Veronica asked yesterday if any listeners in the audience knew about ways that you could track people for marijuana use, if there's any technology similar to the breathalyzer for marijuana use. Now that marijuana use is becoming more legalized and we got a couple of responses. One said they were listening to Monday's episode and they know they wanted to note that CBC's quirks and quirks discussed this recently. The TLDR is something is coming, but it's not there yet. And then a law enforcement guy named Mike, who I had the pleasure of meeting in Florida when I was down there for CREACON, said that DUI DWI laws will work with new marijuana regulations here in Florida, where I work as a law enforcement officer. The laws are written around an officer's observations, not necessarily based on the number you blow during a breath test. And so he says that could be applied to marijuana as well. The TLDR version. And thank you, by the way, folks, for including TLDRs in your emails that you guys are fantastic. He says the TLDR version is that the breath test is a confirmation of the officer's observations, not the sole determination of intoxication. And he's got a great email that you can read more on this in our show notes at DailyTechNewShow.com. So there you go. The answer is no tech yet for that sort of thing, but also not necessary for law enforcement. And what I will add to that conversation is that I'm looking forward to my next trip to California. You don't have to go to Colorado now. Is that what you're saying? Is it Brian Ibbott? I'd never want to visit Brian Ibbott. Of course, man. Of course, you do. Well, thank you, Patrick Beja, for joining us. You've got lots going on. 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So top title is Step on that Mouse, followed by Robo Cook. Everything's coming up. Kaby Lake, Kaby Lake, Kaby Lake, whatever they give up. Do AIs dream of climbing the corporate ladder? Can they get bought insurance? The future of gaming, comma, the cloud's the limit. Now, what else do they got? Feel the latency, latency free cloud gaming. Winter at Kaby Lake, 8K, sir. My vote goes to I want a Robo Cook. OK. And I'm actually going to go. OK, thank you, Patrick. Thank you, guys. Bye. See you next week. Have a good rest of your day. Have a nice CES. I'll try. Bye. Fingers crossed. I want a Robo Cook is good by me. Cool. We can let people vote for a little bit, though. See if something else bubbles up. Bubbles, bubbles, toils and bubbles like bad Chinese food in your stomach. You, why would I want that? No, maybe you're maybe you're a test, a tester for Pepto-Abysmal. And that does not sound like a job I would want. I remember watching a show that that went over all the jobs people didn't think were because we need to talk about new jobs. They're just going to bunch of all these odd jobs. And one of them was this woman who had to smell people's disguise armpits. They were like lined up in a row and they had different deodorant on and they did physical activity and she'd have to smell their armpits and then mark down, like, you know, was it stinky? And, you know, whatever. And it's just like, what a job. Yeah. Well, and that seems like, I mean, you can make an argument for replacing any human job with with a technology. If you give yourself the idea of like, well, eventually we'll invent something that will do that. That's a job that would be harder to replace because what you want is does this offend humans? And you can approximate that with technology eventually, I'm sure, and say, oh, well, we've identified the things that usually offend and we'll just detect levels of those. But the best way to do it, the most solid way to do it is to actually use humans, right? Because then you're saying, oh, well, we took several humans and what a horrible job though. Yeah, I wonder how many of those jobs that dirty jobs that Mike Rowe did for that show. I was trying to think of this example when we were talking about that during the show and I forgot it, but we, the sort of trend, and we poke fun at it of artisan-made, craftsman-made things is a direction that humans go after automation, which is to say like, there is something intangible to the fact that I know the person who made this by hand that we value. And so there will be services that we can then provide for a fee if there are cheap AI services doing everything else. You're like, oh, this artisan-concierge customer service is now provided at a higher level. So it's interesting to think about what kinds of things could become boutique industries because, ooh, this is provided by a human and most of the time you get an AI doing it. I see a day when, and so this is one of the weird things is with mass production, there is a longing for the slight imperfections of something that's hand-crafted, but that only applies to certain things. For example, if you need like a new bottle opener, you don't care if it was carved out of an old 50-gallon or some people do, but I don't think it's enough to... Well, we have a bottle opener. I'm glad you picked bottle opener that is mounted on our wall, that is R2-D2 mosaic made by someone. The bottle opener itself is probably machine-made, right? But there's a human touch to it that wouldn't be there made by a machine. I don't know. There's always that, yeah, but like you said, that drive for imperfection. And you're right, there will always be things that we don't really want humans to make. Well, eventually I'm sure the economy will not slowly, it'll probably have an abrupt change. Why did you take over editing the post? Oh, it's all right. I didn't mean to do that. Roger Chang has taken over and is currently editing. I didn't take over anything. I just clicked on it. Well, that takes it all? Oh, well, there, I took over. I'm gonna take it back. You know what I was trying to do? I was trying to get to the DTNS YouTube. Oh, I'm trying to get the link out of that. No, no, no, no, no. I was, I meant to go to the YouTube page and I just typed, because I always typed daily or youtube.com slash daily technician. Interesting. I just, interesting, the way it works. It's the way it works. I mean, interesting, man. I want a robo cook. Yeah, we're going with I want a robo cook. Nothing surpassed it. I would actually, that's, you know, that's the one thing that's always disappointed me about food processors. It's like, well, where's it, but what about the final step? Cooking it. Oh yeah. Well, people are working on that. Where you just like, basically 3D print, print cooked food. No, I don't want 3D print. I want it to cook. 3D print a burger. We're gonna have that grown meat. That grown fish. No, we're not. We're just insect-based foods. There's always a backlash, but there's always a backlash in other ways too. And the thing that people forget is there's not like a finite source of money or finite source of jobs. And if you lose jobs, jobs are the way. It's always a negotiation between people for available things. So in the longterm, if people are available to do things and before those things you couldn't afford, but the AI has made certain things cheaper and now you can afford to pay someone for it, then there will be new jobs. But it's always in the transition of who will be able to make the transition to what those new jobs are and is wealth available for people to afford the services. That's the bigger question. Is the economy gonna make it so that people can spend money on new things? Well, that's kind of, that's the big question, Marc. I think there will be a big shift at some point along the line where, no, I don't, I, you know, somewhere along the, maybe greater than the Industrial Revolution, just kind of a seismic shift in the economy. But I don't know if it will mean that people will kind of like, not lower expectations, but like money becomes not as a primary issue because people are not like, oh, I'll trade you this design for whatever and I'll just manufacture it at home. Yeah, if I'm not spend, if AI makes things cheaper, then I have more money and then I can spend that money on other things that I would never have been able to spend them on. I don't know, if AI can do healthcare, like. And the other difference, the other difference, I'm sorry, I just thought of this, we didn't see the Industrial Revolution coming, but now that we've been through it, we can prepare ourselves better, but there are probably things we don't understand about an AI revolution that will impact us. And I think, I mean, hindsight's always 2020, right? You can always see all, and this is the thing about politics. I mean, it goes into anything, politics, education, whatever, you don't see those trends until you're either in the middle of it or you're on the tail end. Yeah. The economy is the other one. Well, and that's why it was so good to have an Amy Webb on last month, because she was talking about, yeah, I mean, pretty much all you can do is look at trends. No one can just predict the future. There's not a solid way to do that, but you can see trends. You can try to see what trends are happening now. There's gonna be a council of AIs that will have, that'll be interesting, like in politics, what if it comes to a point where like, for example, either under parliamentary or a Republican system where you basically have a chamber of legislature that's just AI? Yeah, but we don't, that's not the way we work. If we wanted the most efficient legislature, we wouldn't have the ones we have now. It'd be just like in Buck Rogers. If anything, they replaced the clerks, right? And maybe there's an unexpected change because of that. Maybe there's an unmeasured influence that pages and clerks have. That's interesting to think about. This AI purposely miswrote all these words. I think one of the ways AIs could be useful, in that way, is to read through all those bills that are like hundreds of pages long. And provide like summations. Like a TLDR, that's basically their function. All right, Bill Botte, tell me exactly if Four Sentences, what this bill is about. Well, that's what the clerks do, isn't it? Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying, but like, you know, with the machine, it's like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Or you can replace it to GAO with a bunch of AI. Maybe it'll be just like Joshua in the war games. There are no winners, you can't win. The only winning move is not to play. All right, thanks everybody for watching. We'll see you from CES tomorrow, if everything works out. Bye.