 Bellinger here, Warren Carlson here, Decker here, Donahue here, Hammond here, Heidemann here Lissard here, Lewandowski here, Madicek here, Brasler here, Van Akron here, Vanderweal here, Ursi here 16 present And to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all To one Notice of minutes we'll call consideration of possible action on budget items, Alderman Hammond Court of Officers yep, and we are submitting communication from Mayor Van Akron, Alderman Hammond Thank you, Mr. Mayor We'll go through this line by line. I moved to override the veto budget line number 101 3 4 0 0 1 sanitation garbage Garbage fee revenue 869 000 second it's been moved seconded to override the veto of 101 3 4 0 0 1 sanitation garbage feed budget. Is there any discussion? Alderman Lewandowski For the for everybody's not uh, that's out in the public has had some surgery So he is getting the privilege to be able to speak from his chair tonight Alderman Lewandowski, okay. Thank you I just want to say that I am going to support Mayor van Akron's veto of this item And I have four reasons for that none of them Are the mayor's campaign promise? One of them is that I feel that it is unfair in that You could have a 75 year old widowed woman that lives by herself And she's got to pay the same amount as a family of five that creates a lot more garbage I've also heard a lot of people tell me that they are against this Completely they told me it would be different if the city would actually need the money Because they were in debt And we don't have that and third reason is because of the budget surpluses that we've had I don't feel that we need it And finally the night of my election in april When I got home after hearing the voting results the first phone message was Congratulations to our new alderman now get rid of the garbage fee And I think we also have to realize that the taxpayers aren't the bottomless pit of money for us to Dive into thank you Thank you all man Lewandowski any other discussion I'm sorry all the madame. Well, I can't let this opportunity pass I I'm going to be in support of this motion to override the veto for A variety of reasons and I just want to take us down memory lane just a little bit And all sorts of levels of government But particularly here you may remember in 2005 the council Determined to get rid of both the stormwater Fee and the wheel tax It costs about 1.5 million dollars if my memory is correct Yeah, we can do it. We'll find the we'll find the money. We have a surplus. This will be just fine Well, the problem was is that there was Large holes and budgets are very difficult to fill And so what happened over a period of time Was a gradual draining of a number of reserve funds to make up for the budget deficit Now does this ring a bell? Take you back to governor scott mcallum Rating the tobacco fund to make up for budget deficit For the budget deficit at that time I'll take you to governor doil and the democratic legislature Rating the transportation fund and the patients compensation fund I'll take you to governor scott walker And the republican legislature Rating the foreclosure fund Why we have to close the budget deficit You'll remember me talking about a time when governor thompson Had a budget deficit or had a budget surplus And because There was a feeling that well if we've got the money we should give it away Taxpayers did get a small return Of their taxes the following year there were substantial deficits and again, we had to look at raising taxes Now why am I? I do like to go down memory lane, but it has a point for our discussion tonight Over from 2005 until 2011 and 12 many of our reserve funds were drained some quite substantially to a point that I had not recognized and through Substantial cuts in services within the city and also because we did raise a little bit more money than we needed We've been able to close And rebuild those reserve funds that are necessary for our bond rating That are necessary for us to do business as a city And so here's my bottom line when I'm thinking about all of this It feels good to give people back their five dollars per month I do agree with the alder person luandowski The only call I received one call from a person who was upset about the garbage fee And she was an elderly lady and we agreed that on her limited income that five dollars was difficult Property taxes are not progressive taxes. Everybody in the city pays You know based on what their property is not on what their income is but in any event Now is the time And we can do it here at the city council now is the time to stop being a politician and start being a legislator Let's not just look at 2013 Let's look at what it is. We want to do is a city I've lived in cities with low property taxes and I can tell you You know how you know because you come into town and the roads are really bad The gutters are crumbling and when you've lived there long enough You learn that the inner that the central city infrastructure is falling apart because they have low property taxes What we what we need to do is be stewards of the money that we have And think about how we can make the city a good place Where we aren't always doing budget brinkmanship Where we're not always coming up to the last minute and trying to figure out how all of this happens We've hired a city administrator I have some issues with the way the budget was presented and I think those are things that we can work on in the future We don't need budget For dummies, but on the other hand, we don't need budgets for micromanagers either this fee Although it's only five dollars a month and for many of our citizens certainly not all but for many of our citizens that five dollars buys you A pumpkin latte skim with soy milk at starbucks Once a month That in its aggregate is nine hundred thousand dollars that as you can see from the rest of this We need to find ways to make it up So the bottom line is we have this fee at sunsets at the end of 2014 Let's be legislators. Let's look at Let's look at our city as a whole and our infrastructure needs our borrowing needs Our credit rating needs What the citizens expect from us and and let's just make this work I understand the campaign promises were made. I've campaigned and I understand what is involved in that But let's be legislators instead of politicians just this one time And I we may get into the habit of it and it might do well for us Any other discussion Any other discussion You're none clerk to call the roll bellinger. Hi Warren. Hi Carlson. Hi decker. No, donahue. Hi Hammond. Hi. Heidemann. Hi cut. Hi. Losard. Hi. Lewandusky. No Maddachek. No Racelor. Hi, Ben Akron. No Vander wheel. Hi bursty. Hi and wongamon 12 eyes for nose Uh, I moved to override the veto budget line number 1 2 1 0 0 Retiree health insurance second the move is seconded to For the right veto of the retired In health insurance, I'm not going to repeat all the numbers we've got Any discussion You're none clerk will call the roll. Warren. Hi Carlson. Hi decker. No, donahue Hammond. Hi Heidemann. Hi cut. Hi. Losard. Hi Lewandusky. No Maddachek. No Racelor. Hi, Ben Akron. No Vander wheel. Hi Bursey. Hi wongamon. Hi and bellinger. Hi 12 to 4 motion carried all of them in Hammond. I'm sorry. I didn't have your mic I'll let me handle it. Thank you. Mr. Mayor. I move to override the veto budget line number 1 0 1 1 5 2 0 0 Purchasing retiree health insurance second the move is seconded to override the veto on purchasing Any discussion? You're none clerk will call the roll. Carlson. Hi decker. No Donahue. Hi Hammond. Hi Heidemann. Hi cut. Hi. Losard. Hi Lewandusky. No Maddachek. No Racelor. Hi. Ben Akron. No. Vander wheel. Hi. Bursey. Hi wongamon. Hi bellinger. Hi and boron. Hi 12 to 4 Motion carried all in hamming Moved override the veto line budget line number 1 0 1 2 1 1 0 0 police administration Retiree health insurance second it's been moved seconded to override the line for police administration health insurance Is there any discussion? If somebody does want to speak in on any of those please jump up quick because we'll move them along otherwise Call the roll decker. No Donahue. Hi Hammond. Hi Heidemann. Hi cut. Hi. Losard. Hi Lewandusky. No Maddachek. No Racelor. Hi Ben Akron. No Vander wheel. Hi Bursey. Hi wongamon. Hi bellinger. Hi boron. Hi And Carlson. Hi 12 4. Motion carries all in hamming Moved override the veto budget line number 1 0 1 2 2 1 0 0 fire department retiree health insurance second I move instead of get to override the veto on the fire health insurance any discussion Call the roll. Donahue. Hi Hammond. Hi Heidemann. Hi cut. Hi. Losard. Hi Lewandusky. No Maddachek. No Racelor. Hi Ben Akron. No Vander wheel. Hi Bursey. Hi wongamon. Hi Bellinger. Hi boron. Hi Carlson. Hi and decker. No 12 4 Motion carried all in the hamming I moved override the veto budget line number 1 0 1 3 1 1 0 0 dpw retiree health insurance It's been moving seconded any discussion Hammond. Hi Heidemann. Hi cut. Hi. Losard. Hi Lewandusky. No Maddachek. No Racelor. Hi Ben Akron. No Vander wheel. Hi Bursey. Hi wongamon. Hi bellinger. Hi boron. Hi Carlson. Hi decker. No And Donahue. Hi 12 4 Motion carried all in the hamming I moved override the veto budget line number 1 0 1 3 3 1 0 0 street department administration retiree health insurance. Second Moving seconded to override the veto on the health insurance Call the roll Heidemann. Hi cut. Hi. Losard. Hi Lewandusky. No Maddachek. No Racelor. Hi Ben Akron. No Vander wheel. Hi Bursey. Hi wongamon. Hi bellinger. Hi boron. Hi Carlson. Hi decker. No Donahue. Hi and Hammond. Hi 12 4 Motion carries all in the hamming I moved override the veto budget line number 1 0 1 3 3 1 4 0 street and out streets and alleys retiree health insurance. Second It's been moving seconded to override the veto Hey Call the roll. Cotth? Aye. Lissard? Aye. Lewandowski? No. Manichuk? No. Racler? Aye. Vanakren? No. Vanderweel? Aye. Versi? Aye. Wongerman? Aye. Bellinger? Aye. Boran? Aye. Carlson? Aye. Decker? No. Donahue? Aye. Hammond? Aye. Heidemann? Aye. 12-4. I'm scared. All of them in Hammond. Thank you. I moved override the VEDO budget line number 101-34001, sanitation, retiree, health insurance. Second. It's been moved in second to override the VEDO. Call the roll. Cotth? Aye. Lissard? Aye. Lewandowski? No. Manichuk? No. Racler? Aye. Vanakren? No. Vanderweald? Aye. Versi? Aye. Wongerman? Aye. Bellinger? Aye. Boran? Aye. Carlson? Aye. Decker? No. Donahue? Aye. Hammond? Aye. Heidemann? Aye. 12-4. All of them in Hammond. Thank you. I moved override the VEDO budget line number 101-4300, temples, Drew, and we can't read. So how many vetos and both of them are editing and cleaning up. 해서, There's more barriers, right? Oh, there's more of them, thank you very much. I move consent. Thank you very much. I will shake it as well for where. Move. Second. Thank you. One zero one five three zero zero zero parks retiree health insurance. I get seconded to override the video Lissard, I Lou and dusky. No, man of check. No, racelor. Hi, Ben Akron. No, Vander wheel. I Percy I want them in Bellinger. Hi Warren. Hi Carlson. Hi Decker. No, Donahue. Hi Hammond. Hi Ottoman, amen. Thank you. I moved override the veto budget line number one zero one six one one zero zero city development Retirement Retail Research Insurance. Okay Lina dusky. No man of check. No, racelor. I Ben Akron. No Vander wheel I Percy I want them in Bellinger. Hi Poran I Carlson I Decker no Donahue. I Hammond. Hi. Hi to men. Hi. I'm sorry. Hi. Thank you Somebody coughed when you said that and Lissard 12 for Thank you, I moved override the veto budget line number one zero one four three one zero zero cemetery full-time salaries Overrides veto Mandercheck no Racelor. Hi, Ben Akron. No, Vanderweal. Hi, Versi. Hi Wongamon. Hi, Bellinger. Hi, Poran. Hi Carlson. Hi Decker. No, Donahue. Hi Hammond. Hi Heidemann. Hi, Koth. Hi, Lissard. Hi and Lewandowski 12 for Motion carried all in the hand. Thank you. I moved override the veto budget line number one zero one four three one zero zero zero cemetery FICA Move the second to override the veto Racelor. Hi, Ben Akron. No, Vanderweal. Hi Excuse me, Versi. Hi, Wongamon. Hi Bellinger. Hi, Poran. Hi Carlson. Hi Decker No, Donahue. Hi Hammond. Hi Heidemann. Hi, Koth. Hi, Lissard. Hi Lewandowski. No and Mandercheck 12 for motion carries all of them in him I moved override the veto budget line number one zero one four three one zero zero cemetery, Wisconsin retirement fund Move the second to override the veto. Call the roll. Ben Akron. No, Vanderweal. Hi, Versi. Hi, Wongamon. Hi Bellinger. Hi, Poran. Hi Carlson. Hi Decker. No, Donahue. Hi Hammond. Hi Heidemann. Hi, Koth. Hi, Lissard. Hi Lewandowski. No Mandercheck. No and Racelor. Hi 12 for motion carried all of them in Hammond And moved override the veto budget line number one zero one four three one zero zero cemetery health insurance I can move in a second to override the veto. Call the roll, please Vanderweal. Hi, Versi. Hi, Wongamon. Hi Bellinger. Hi, Poran. Hi Carlson. Hi Decker. No, Donahue. Hi Hammond. Hi Heidemann. Hi, Koth. Hi, Lissard. Hi Lewandowski. No Mandercheck. No Racelor. Hi and Van Akron. No 12 for Motion carried all of them in Hammond. Thank you, mr. Mayor and moved override the veto budget line number one zero one four three one zero zero cemetery dental insurance I can move the second to override the veto Versi. Hi Wongamon. Hi Bellinger. Hi Poran. Hi Carlson. Hi Decker. No, Donahue. Hi Hammond. Hi Heidemann. Hi. Koth. Hi. Lissard. Hi. Lewandowski. No. Mandercheck. No. Racelor. Hi. Van Akron. No And Vanderweal. Hi. 12 for. Motion carried. All of them in Hammond. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I moved to override the veto budget line item one zero one one two one one zero Mayor contracted services SCEDC. Second Move in a second. I thought you'd say just to see how many of the guys back there would fall if they're chair It's moving the second to to override the veto Click or call the roll. Wongamon. Hi Bellinger. Hi. Poran. Hi Carlson. Hi Decker. No, Donahue. Hi Hammond. Hi Heidemann. Hi Koth. Hi Lissard. Hi Lewandowski. No, Mandercheck. No. Racelor. Hi Van Akron. No Vanderweal. Hi and Versi. Hi 12 for. Motion carried. All of them in Hammond. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I moved to override the veto budget line item one oh one two one one four zero police vehicles. Second It's been moved to second to override the veto. Click or call the roll. Bellinger. Hi. Poran. Hi Carlson. Hi Decker. No Donahue. Hi Hammond. Hi Heidemann. Hi Koth. Hi Lissard. Hi Lewandowski. Hi Mandercheck. No Racelor. Hi Van Akron. No Vanderweal. Hi Versi. Hi and Wongamon. Hi 12 for. Motion carried. All of them in Hammond. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I moved to override the veto budget line item one oh one one one two one zero city hall building improvements. I get It's been moved second to override the veto Click or call the roll. Poran. Hi Carlson. Hi Decker. No Donahue. Hi Hammond. Hi Heidemann. Hi Koth. Hi Lissard. Lewandowski. No Mandercheck. No Racelor. Hi Van Akron. No Vanderweal. Hi Versi. Hi Wongamon. Hi and Bellinger. Hi 12 for. Motion carried. All of them in Hammond. Last but certainly not least moved to override the veto budget line item one oh one one one one two two zero municipal service building building improvements. It's been moved second to override the veto. Click or call the roll. Carlson. Hi Decker. No Donahue. Hi Hammond. Hi Heidemann. Hi Koth. Hi Lissard. Hi Lewandowski. No Mandercheck. No Racelor. Hi Van Akron. No Vanderweal. Hi Versi. Hi Wongamon. Hi Bellinger. Hi and Boran. Hi 12 for. Now, last but not least. Motion to adjourn. Second. Moving second to adjourn. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed. Motion to adjourn. Thank you. Wow.