 share. I'm writing earnings. What are you guys doing? Well, I'm watching you write earnings. Checking my daily results. Wow, up 52% Facebook. That's a lot. That's crazy. And wait, since when? You're over a year. No, I see 22%. Do you see $0.79 a share, $5.8 billion revenue? The revenue is the jump of 52%. Is it only 22? I'm looking at their stock and since January 1st of 2015 until today, they're at roughly 21.12% since January 1st of last year. You're looking at the stock price. Got it. That makes sense. Yeah. They had a huge bump in late July, but then they dropped back down in mid-August. Amazon, however, is up almost 90% over the year. They're a very nice, steady, slow growth with a couple of bumps. Yeah, because they don't give any dividends. Right. 1.59 billion users. That's why everyone is so hard on Twitter. Yeah, that'd be why. The next guy up is pretty terrifying. Yeah, you guys, I'm only on Monday's show, but yesterday I assume you talked about all the Twitter shake-up stuff. I'm sure that came up. Yep, we did. We carried on a conversation from Monday's show about Twitter. I'm caught up on nothing right now. You could describe my life in a couple of words that would be not caught up. I'm lucky. I have four people writing scripts for me for geek days, so I get to catch up when I read their scripts. They tell you, yeah, this is what happened. They gave me the six biggest stories of the past 24 hours. That's all right. I'm going to give you the earnings thing, Scott. Okay. Give me the earnings. You got it. I like all the earnings. Oh, the earnings. Yes. Put them in my inbox, y'all. All right, let's get this show on the road. I'm going to start the AlphaGeek Media. So Todd doesn't go, Tom, are you okay? Is something wrong? He was very nice about it. He's like, you forgot. He does do that. Yeah. All right, here we go. For Wednesday, January 27th, 2016. I'm Tom Merritt joining me today. Mr. Scott Johnson, regular Wednesday DTNS contributor. How are you, Mr. Scott Johnson, founder of Frogpants Network? I'm so good, Mr. Tom Merritt of the DTNS World Championships. Yes, I am husband of champion parallel Parker Eileen Rivera. Also joining us is Brecky Thomason, founder of the Sikon Network at Sikon.fm. How are you, sir? Just great. How are you, Tom? Lovely. It's good to have both of you together. This is like a super group. So yeah, look at all these founders. We were talking pre-show about all the founding that went on in this group of three people. It's amazing. Probably creating a founder's virus at this very moment. You could probably activate our findings or our findings. We're going to talk a little bit about the world's reaction to Apple in a little bit, but we also got a lot of machine learning news to get to. Let's start off with the headlines. Facebook plans on rolling out a more expressive like button option. You've probably heard about this before. They're going to call it reactions. It should come out in the next few weeks, according to Bloomberg's conversations with Facebook Chief Product Officer Chris Cox. The five new options will be angry, sad, wow, and love, in addition to the existing like. On mobile, users will get to those by holding on the thumbs up button until a little sub menu for the reactions pops up. So reactions. Where have I seen that before? Oh, I remember. It's in Slack. We have reactions in Slack and it works kind of the exact same way. You click a thing and you get a bunch of reactions. Then people can support that reaction and I'm being a little facetious, but it's not all that original, but hey, what is on the internet? I think this is a good move and I'm stoked they're going to finally implement it. And a lot of people have been asking for a dislike button because they're like, oh, like if a friend of mine dies, I want to express, you know, an emotion about it, but I want to press the like button. That's a horrible thing. So now you have a sad reaction and that's the idea here. I guess they've considered yay as a reaction as well, but that didn't test well. A lot of people were confused by what it meant. Brecky, what is your reaction to reactions? Wow, like, I don't know. I just, I really miss a meh button because that kind of reaction shows up every now and again and you kind of want to express that kind of feeling instead of just writing those three letters in a period at the end. I don't know if there are many things on Facebook that I think are either worthy of being angry, sad, wowed, ha ha or loved over. Most of them are, you know, oh, you ate a biscuit. Shrug, right. Shrug would have been all right. Meh would have been okay. And I wonder if yay didn't test well because it has that double meaning. It can be on the one hand this excitement. On the other hand, it sounds like, you know, somebody going yay and moving on. Well, it's like, I'm sorry about in Hearthstone, right? It can be misused greatly. How about an ironic good for you? All right. Good for you. Good for you. Yeah, I don't know. What they've picked here is nice and safe. I think it'll all be fine. But we'll see soon enough how that all works out. Google VP of VR, the VP of VR. I love how that sounds. Clay Baber wrote a post announcing 5 million Google cardboard headsets have been shipped. This includes third party and giveaways. Google launched cardboard at I.O. in 2014. That's their annual conference. Remember the time thinking this is the weirdest thing ever. What a joke. I can't even believe they're doing this. And man, look at us now. 25 million cardboard apps have been installed through Google Play. The absolute top number one Google cardboard app right now and for all time is chair in a room, which I have not experienced myself, but I hear good things about it. It's better than it sounds if you've never tried it. It's a storytelling app. So you get like a 3D story. Much more exciting than just sitting in a chair in a room. Sounds terrific. Yeah. FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler has proposed requiring multi-channel video programming distributors in VPDs, basically cable and satellite television companies, to allow subscribers to use any set top box to access their service. It's cable card again, except this time it's called all vid or it's called a proposal. The proposal is to give access to what programming is available, what people can do with it, and of course the content itself. Companies could use any published transparent format to do so. They're not mandating that part in the proposal. They're just saying you need to give access to these things, thanks to Star Fury Zeta for posting about it in the subreddit. Is there any, this may sound super dumb. I'm just going to spitball it. Would it be, is there ever any reason why they could also then say, hey Apple TV, hey Broku, hey set top boxes that aren't cable companies. You also have to do this. In other words, hey Apple, you can't not have the Amazon app. Can they never get that granular? That's a good question, because this isn't about the device makers. This is about program distributors, specifically about multi-channel video programming distributors, which are defined in law and given benefits. They're given strict rules about carriage fees. They're given rules about competition and some of them are favorable and some of them aren't. So this is a very strict definition, which only applies to cable and satellite providers. In fact, internet television distributions like Sony PlayStation View don't fall under MVPD rules. They would like to, because there's a mandated fee about carriage that they would like to take advantage of. In other words, you can't refuse to allow an MVPD to carry your channel, as long as they're willing to pay your fee. That's what has kept things like Ario from working. Ario tried to say, hey, we're an MVPD. We'll just pay the fee and they have to let us do it, and the court said no, you're not. So this says, if you're going to benefit from these rules, cable and satellite TV companies, you have to let any box connect to your service. Interesting. So they can't limit it to only their DVR, only their receiver. That has to be an open thing. That makes sense. BBC is reporting Apple believes it has fixed a problem that causes Safari browsers to crash for some users. This is when they did searches and those searches were carried out in the address bar directly. I do this quite a bit and experience this very lockup, actually. The issue affected people whose, quote, suggestions, quote, cash updated between nine and 12 GMT. Users may be able to speed up this fix by just clearing history and website data from Safari's preferences, but they fix incoming, so you won't have to run into that blind. Yeah, it doesn't sound like it was a software problem. There's no security patch or anything. It sounds like it was a problem on the Safari server end and what was put in your suggestions cash caused the issue, so that's why clearing it out would speed the fix along. My problem was it wasn't, well, I shouldn't say my problem, but it was actually okay when it worked out this way. But if it's the same problem, I was locking up in a tab only and all other tabs were unaffected. So if I got out of the tab, I was doing that search in and started it and I was usually fine. That makes sense. Brekkie, did you run into this? No, I don't use Safari. Listen, man, Safari, I got to say this about Safari real quick. I have not been a Safari user since nearly the beginning of Safari being a thing, and on the Mac, I've got both PCs and Macs around here, and on the Mac, I've always gone either Firefox or later Chrome and then kind of bounce between those two, and I've tried other things here and there. And for the longest time, I just put it off, put it off, put it off. But the latest build of Safari, despite the small issue, is super, super fast, has all the functionality I really need and uses way less resources on any of the Macs I run it on. I've been very, very impressed with it. So I've been much kind of not a hater, but I haven't really cared about Safari in the past, but I think I'm kind of back until they blow it or someone does something better, but it's running better for me than any competing browsers right now. It doesn't run very well, and I don't use it on Windows. Does it still run on Windows even? Oh, I don't even know. I don't think it does. No, I was considering moving over to Safari for a bit, but I really like being able to share extensions and bookmarks and so on between my home computer and my work computer, and my work computer is running Windows, and I just couldn't find a good version of Safari that was recent enough. Yeah, that's a good point. They're not going to have that cross synchronization the way that Google does with Chrome across platforms. I don't think anyway unless that Windows version of Safari is still a thing, but between Macs it works great. I know that, but between Mac and a PC environment, they're probably going to be out of luck. Yeah, and I'm just too dependent on a lot of my Chrome extensions, so I couldn't make the switch until Safari does something similar. Yeah. Project Decibel announced its first product Wednesday called Starry Internet. The service delivers internet up to a gigabit per second wirelessly to window-mounted device called a Starpoint. It's just a receiver of the millimeter waveband broadcast, which operates in the 38 gigahertz spectrum. That's an unoccupied spectrum and usually requires line of sight, but they've got some technology that uses buildings to bounce it around. If you want to pay an extra $349, you can purchase a StarStation, which is an Android-powered touchscreen wireless router built from managing Starry Internet connections. It gives you some parental controls, lets you see what's going on with your connection and the health of the connection right on that touchscreen. Variety reports the company has filed for test applications in Seattle, Denver, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Detroit, and Washington, D.C., and it is launching on February 5th in Boston. Project Decibel is run by Czech Knozia, the former CEO of ARIO, thanks to Ask You How occasion for posting this in the subreddit. You brought up this on TMS this morning in a tech segment and sounded like they've parlayed a lot of the technology they were using for ARIO into this project or at least it seems like a re-purposing of a lot of what ARIO was doing. I think that's great and they had said they were going to do that when everything got shut down and they looked like there were no other legal options for them. Part of some of that departure letter stuff was we're going to figure out what to do with our rad stuff and we'll see everybody again soon and here it is I guess. Yeah and it's not using the same technology obviously but some of the wireless expertise is fed into this they have some experts one from MIT that's working on this and it's technology that other people have experimented with so it's not crazy to think that they can do this of course it is different in practice especially out in Boston where they're going to try it to say okay we're going to deliver this line of site internet reliably and consistently at or near a gigabit per second to people they were saying it's only cost them about $25 per individual household to set up which is a big savings over the estimated $2,500 per household it costs for a cable company to set up a house with a connection so yeah I mean this is an interesting gambit the proof is in the pudding whether it actually works in practice though. Yeah disruptive competition is always good in my mind so I'm very excited to see what they do. Google's DeepMind researchers published a paper in Nature announcing their machine intelligence AlphaGo has defeated Fan Hui a three-time European Go champion that is no small slouch right there the computer won five games of Go without a defeat Go for those who don't know well you can look it up on the internet but former former CEO of Nintendo I forgot his name he was the old man anyway he was there for a long time huge Go fan a lot of Nintendo fans will know what we're talking about anyway computer won five games of Go without a defeat next up in March AlphaGo goes and takes on Lease at all the top Go player in the world for at least the last 10 years or so Facebook also published findings on its dark forest Go AI which is also making good progress. Go has been the hardest to get machines up to speed on to get machines to be able to beat humans I mean it was in the 90s when Deep Blue beat Kasparov the world champion chess player at the time they checkers was you know computers been able to beat you checkers for for decades now but there's something about Go that is very unique to the human way of thinking and I find this to be probably the biggest news of the day Brecky that we've got machines that can beat Go experts now that's gargantuan it really is absolutely I mean I'm not holding my breath to wait for them to say we just have somebody now who beats you in monopoly and so on because Go you know it's the big one it really is and until they defeat us in professional wrestling as well I'm just gonna stay impressed well if you get the big dog robot with the with the deep mind algorithm running in it I think it could probably beat you at wrestling scary stuff is that the one you kick and it almost falls over but it won't fall over and then it's mad because you just kicked it it hurts me every time you see them kick them because they they just look so lifelike yeah they've answered pre-morphized or you know made it look like a real animal I hate that it feels weird when they kick them and future robots are going to watch those videos just get angry here and angry Google will license a family of VPU chips called myriad two from chip maker Movidius a 12 core chip enables low power computer vision processing which when combined with machine learning could allow mobile devices to view interpret and understand images without having to have an internet connection new chip is estimated to save 10 to 100 times the power over current models of similar chips so also bringing machine learning out of the data center and into your mobile device Movidius chips have previously been used inside Google's project tango which is a an attempt to use vision processing to map the world around you so again another big machine learning advance coming possibly is a phone and not so much project tango is about mapping the world but even just having your phone you take a picture and it's like oh that's a picture of a rottweiler because I've learned what a rottweiler is like that that kind of stuff can be amazing yeah I love that I mean it's not just for captcha anymore seems like he could start doing some real cool stuff with this after french taxi drivers burn tires and closed down roadway roadways geez France this happened yesterday french government has issued fines against uber uber has been ordered to pay 1.2 million euro to a french taxi union for behaving like taxis and this is they say because they've been waiting by the street to pick up passengers instead of returning to their garages after the trip was done the guardian reports uber denies these charges uber says now we tell people to go back to their garage and again we're not talking about there's a lot of confusion when we talk about uber and we call it a ride sharing service there's uber or uber pool those are ride sharing services that's where I've got a car I sign up I say hey I will take people from place to place for a fee and that is legit ride sharing because I I'm just a person with a car then there's uber x where uber arranges higher quality rides that's where you get the background checks there are some background checks now going in in some countries even for the regular uber drivers but it's it is a more professional installation of this and I think that's where a lot of this comes in and what the taxi companies are saying is well if an uber drops off a guy at the cafe and then just parks and waits at the cafe for the next person that's that's breaking the rules the rules are you can't wait for a passenger you have to go back to where you came from every time of course the uber drivers don't want to do that they want to go back home every time they've dropped somebody off because it's inefficient it's not the way uber works so even if they did isn't the complicated part that how do you enforce this stuff because with a with a taxi company let's say you've got management in place and you have people that are sort of managing things but with with uber at least the way I understand it may vary country to country and region to region but the way I understand it is you're kind of your own boss you kind of do what you're going to do and uber has little control over what you do after you drop somebody off or where you're going next or where you may park your car so well uber says no we tell people to do this and and and we're not we're not driving around with a light off you know or a light on trying to get people to wave us down is what they say right so yeah I mean I what's what's the state of the ride-sharing wars where you're at brekkie um so far so good I mean we haven't had any major problems with with uber the the only thing that I've noticed really is that they uh they need to register as taxi cars um so they have a yellow license plate instead of a white one but other than that nobody seems to to mind um I don't think you know I don't think taxi drivers should be a protected title like doctor or psychologist should be um but you know I I see why some countries have problems with this because it is a destructive industry and sometimes countries want to protect things well and there are two sets of rules I mean I entirely get why if I'm a taxi driver who's paying for insurance for licenses uh for all for doing all kinds of things to to fight to get one of those medallions like they have in san francisco or to get a license in paris uh and then suddenly some guy comes along and just signs up on an app and can take rides away from me I think I get the frustration absolutely but I mean the people who um sold and delivered ice they were furious when the refrigerators came around but you don't see the government protecting the ice deliverers yeah well but there should be one letter I guess there should be one set of rules is what I'm saying yeah you should you shouldn't make the taxi drivers leap through as many hoops then necessarily just make the industries work the same way right easier said than believe me I know uh tech in asia passes a longer report from indotelco that state owned telcom state owned telcom which is indonesia's largest enterprise network service provider has blocked netflix telcom owns a bunch of services indi home wi-fi dot id mobile carrier telcom cell any of the customers on any of those networks cannot access netflix now telcom's director of consumer services says netflix contains pornographic material and other inappropriate content and that's why they're blocking it you may have heard that the indonesian government recently gave netflix a month to get a business license to operate in the country so having the state owned telcom crack down on them could easily be seen as some sort of one two punch uh to encourage netflix to hurry up and get that business license I don't know yeah they uh interesting this is this is I mean there's sudden move to we're everywhere now netflix put you know expanding to so many new countries and so many new therefore new um cultures and levels of acceptance and and all this sort of thing means that I don't think this is the last time we're going to hear about this and every single case is going to be different in fact it's not unlike the previous story every time uber does something somewhere new a whole new set of problems arise that have nothing to do with where they launched or where they may go next and uh I don't know I don't know what the ultimate end end around is around this although I know we talked off air in the in the prep a little bit about how to how some people are getting around these restrictions but uh but yeah I don't think that story is over for netflix we're going to hear about this for a few years oh yeah if you're an indonesian consumer there is a way to get to netflix I'm sure through some kind of proxy uh but but having your isp block it uh at the sir at at that level is harder is it more difficult to get around than just switching vpn providers I would expect absolutely I mean netflix they've gone now live in every single country in area of the world except for it's china Crimea north korea and syria because of restrictions and so on um but you know people in these places they watch netflix anyway there are you know vpns or some kinds of dns um hacks you can do that just allow you to see netflix people have been been doing this even before they started telling it in all kinds of countries I mean even in china house of cards is a huge show yeah yeah absolutely and then we were just talking with peter wells in the slack earlier about how one of australia's national tabloids published an article today about all the ways you can get around the vpn blocks if you're getting blocked on netflix so there's always a way uh facebook reported 79 cents per share this is pretty breaking news happened not long ago on 5.8 billion in revenue that's up 52 percent year over year that's insane analysts expect 68 cents a share on revenue of 5.37 billion or that's what they expected average revenue per user is up 26 percent to 3.73 facebook reached 1.59 billion users that is up from 1.55 billion last quarter seems like facebook is not having too much trouble growing at an alarming rate yeah uh ebay crashed nearly 10 percent in after hours trading after its revenues were flat uh facebook on the other hand is sky rocketing uh because they're selling on mobile uh they earned record profits in 2015 uh their ad revenue on mobile is going up and that was the big fear you remember years ago they're like how's facebook gonna make money on mobile well they're making it hand over fist uh now and they're beating expectations uh so yeah i'm very different than a lot of the other earnings reports we've been hearing many and we'll be talking about apple with the idea that well the economy is slowing down uh facebook is able to find more and more ways to get ad revenue and it it like google is largely funded through advertising yeah that doesn't it's so funny it's um just yesterday was it yesterday maybe i'm trying to think it was another show where somebody was talking about how they're always trying to find reasons not to use facebook they hate it they think it's on its way out they don't understand why people are still using it and i don't care what anecdotal thing you hear from anyone anywhere about facebook it absolutely does not jive with the numbers i don't think it's possible to gauge facebook's success by how sick of it you are or how your news feed is full of spam or whatever whatever they're doing seems to be working just fine and they give a a number a revenue number of 52 percent year over year increase that is insane there are lots of companies that would be happy to take on that problem so uh yeah i as much as you know there are things to say about facebook but i i feel like sometimes the nerdy roddy out there is certain that there is a gravestone already carved and ready for facebook to go the way of myspace or something and yet it flies in the face of that i think one of their big advantages right now is they have messenger which is some which is a platform that they're really betting everything on at the moment they they want to tie in a lot more services into messenger just get it out there as much as possible even the way they bought messenger dot com to allow people to chat via the facebook messenger without actually being on facebook um a lot of people that i know use messenger and nothing else when it comes to the facebook environment and that i think is a growth opportunity for them as well yeah average revenue per user in the united states was 13 dollars and 54 cents you you mentioned scott that it was three dollars and 73 cents worldwide but they're making it hand over fist here in the united 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quarter though the quarter that we're in right now china was a bright spot last quarter record revenue up 14 percent year over year so they didn't experience the strong headwinds as they say there uh china uh iphone sales were i'm sorry iphone sales overall were only up 0.4 percent although they were up 18 percent in china and counterpoint estimated that sales were up 76 percent for the iphone in india 40 percent of iphone users have not updated since before the iphone 6 and 6 plus came out so people are holding on to their phones longer than they used but apple has emphasized that a billion people use it apple services apple services alone generated 5.5 billion dollars up 15 percent year over year that's about the same amount of revenue as starbucks generated in the quarter just for comparison's sake tim cook noted that an unfavorable exchange rate probably wiped out about 4.9 billion in revenue but that would be something that other companies are fighting as well and as for future projects cook said in terms of vr i don't think it's a niche it's really cool and has some interesting applications which is to say he said nothing other than like vr exists and i like it it's a big yeah yeah so now comes the the punditry right now comes everyone saying apple's in trouble because their record-breaking earnings weren't as big as their record-breaking earnings have been especially because they're forecasting a down quarter do you guys buy that do you think apple is is falling off a cliff here it's the world's most valuable company i uh i will throw in here real quick one aspect of this that i think nobody ever or nobody's considering that is actually a bit of a game changer in the overall phone market not just for apple but this will be the first change over right around the time the seven comes out in all theories later this year the iphone 7 that is their opportunity to take advantage of a full swing of everyone on new phone plans where they can upgrade their phone every time there's a new phone they're paying at nt and sprint and everybody these at least here in the states they're playing paying them these monthly fees that are essentially letting them rent the phone for a year and when that new phone comes out boom you own it it's the first year i've been on that plan it's the first year my wife my three kids have been on that plan and everyone i know it's their first year being on that plan now that's a small sample group i don't know how big and far and wide this goes but it does seem to me that that is by and large the way a lot of people went this time because upgrading every year has become a thing they're doing and they're always juking around their contract and going well i use my wife's contract it's it's up already and mine will be up next year and she can get a new phone then and rather than all that people who just get their new phones pay essentially what they were paying before in some cases less that is a big deal for how many sevens they ship and i think that it being a new banner year for a phone not an s year and the fact that this is the new kind of role the new rhythm for when you get your phones i think that's going to add huge to their bottom line so i'm kind of bullish on this next year and i don't know about the next quarter but the next year is going to be i think a big deal for them and it's always end up being the big deal for them people who want to say oh that's it finally they've peaked they're gonna it'll be it'll be like 1994 again our smoke and crack they have more money than most governments they're fine in my opinion brekkie what's your what's your temperature on this absolutely i i agree i think the iphone 7 is going to be really interesting we've heard a lot of rumors of late of what they're what they're starting to look at but i think over time apple is going to pivot away from focusing on the iphone i think as of ios 10 they might probably just go for ios x and and start doing named releases and do more patches like they did with the the os x and instead that you know they're already looking at new things like the the ipad pro they're looking at the apple watch there's all these rumors about the car market rumors about vr so i think they're gonna experiment and start going a little bit safer when it comes to the phone in the ipad markets also tom doesn't it isn't it typical that i just to get back to the comment about vr real quick um and tim cook essentially acknowledges that exists that's a very apple thing to do it's a very steep jobs thing to do where you know somebody asked him hey is apple working on a phone back in 2005 or whatever it was and he said hey i'd hang on to your trios for now or something which is sounded like no or not we think it's a silly market and it turns out they were deep in development and we're definitely going to come out with a phone so i'm not saying this means they're definitely have some big vr plans but this is what apple does they let everyone else scramble for this bleeding edge like get it out first diamond real market and then come in with the ipod yeah i think it's more significant the gene monster switched from asking about apple tv to asking about vr uh more so than it was that tim cook answered in a very congenial way yeah vr is a bad uh and and so people like to over read the tea leaves on apple apple is definitely investigating vr they're definitely investigating cars apple themselves may not know where they're going to go with either of those markets yet they may be trying all kinds of things in fact they often don't know exactly which version of a prototype of an iphone they're going to come out with until it's time to actually send the specs to the manufacturers to start making it so we we tend to assume that apple has decided everything sometimes before they've actually decided and that's true of any company uh so so yeah i think i think it's a it's very telling that now everyone's looking at apple going hey what about vr because you're right we all we all know that apple doesn't come in first on things most often they try to come in and be perfect now here's where i would say apple does have an issue is that you know the ipad pro sure it's a new product but really it's just a bigger ipad the apple watch has been their next new beat after the ipad and i don't think it has i don't think it has really captured the market the fact that they're still reporting it in other products which by the way we incorrectly said that apple sold 4.35 million apple watches yesterday apple reports apple watch numbers in with ipad and apple tv numbers and a few other things as other products so what we know is they sold 4.35 billion dollars in sales probably most of that is apple watch but that alone says yeah this category isn't big enough for them to tout on its own so the thing that should be filling in the gap is the iphone very understandably matures the phone is a mature audience there isn't an obvious error to that the way you know ipad did fill in for a while and then it commoditized pretty fast uh the iphone if you recall took over from the ipod the music player was the was the big revenue generator for years so we're still waiting for apple to figure out what that next big hit is going to be the apple watch could still be it it could be vr it could be car related it could be something we totally don't expect i don't know i do think however that the other part of apple strategy that we didn't see in the early parts of the 2000s is globalization and that while they they don't sell enough in india for this to make up ground fast india is going to be a huge market for them as china stables out that's going to stop gap some of that stability and provide some new growth there in india yeah i mean if i had to make a prediction on the vr front it would be that uh if the market shows that there's room to grow and and whatever like i think that the watch market is the same thing you got you got to get in there but it's not we're not to the place where that's the you know the end i'll be all yet i don't know what that watch market and tell me what you guys think usually it's smart phones they're kind of clunky oh iphone totally changed tablets who would make a tablet ipad totally changed apple watch wearables are still kind of like male i don't know they didn't totally change it yeah that's i or at least not yet i mean the the rumor right now is that they're going to be announcing the i the i watch two or the apple watch two in march april so we we still don't really know what's going to happen there and i i think when it comes to the watch it's the old um you've heard the truck in the car analogy where you know um sometimes you need a truck sometimes you need a car so the truck would be the the i mac and the car would be the iphone uh but sometimes you just need a bike and that would be the apple watch yeah and it's also i think has to get to a place where i like that they're focusing on the kind of high end and it's expensive and you can buy the crazy wraparound wrist things for $1500 and all that stuff i think that's good that they have their hands in that cookie jar but but that also needs to be at the baseline a much more affordable thing i think when they get to a place like they did with the phone where you it's much more of a commodity and it's much less expensive to get in there then that's when that market goes bananas because you're still going to have the apple name you're going to have the quality you hope you get from them and you're going to not be paying $400 for for a watch it's the reason i didn't get one i don't think the price justifies the use cases and a lot of the people i know that own them have said to me yeah you're kind of right well that may all change in a very well could change quicker than we think my whole thing is they're never going to release let's say in vr they are not going to release a giant you know motorcycle helmet looking thing for us to put on our heads there's no head it won't happen because it's too clunky and goofy right now when that stuff becomes latency free and very light and on your head and not connected to 20 computers to make it work right or some other hybrid that works with their phones or something similar to gear vr or whatever they're going to come up with a much more simplified for good or for ill no matter how you feel about their their sort of snobby design aesthetics that is the whether we know they'd go that direction regardless the question is going to take two or three years right because they're going to wait until we see oculus and vive and sony come out with all of theirs before they come in and try to take advantage of that market and say here's the way it should work that's at least that's what apple's hope is sure and their focus i think would be a lot more on the experiences and not on games and not on things that seem in their eyes more trivial they'll focus it on you know a more fine experience visiting a place or spending time on the moon or whatever those experiences are and having an app store they're good at that they know that ecosystem they could curate something pretty strong in that space but i don't think they want to just wing it and i also think they need optics technologies and some of the other stuff tied to vr which is so new they need that stuff to come down in price big time so that they can swoop in and say all right now we want to get involved in this that will also be a great sign for us vr aficionados it means that vr is coming to a place where somebody like apple and google and others are changing things up deciding to make great products and you know pushing the whole thing forward so if that day comes where they throw their hat in the ring and google throw is clearly throwing more weight behind it by changing things up with their vr research department we're in for some i think some of the best years ahead there's just not going to happen for a while they could virtually be the best years yeah virtually the best years of our lives brekkie the of our lives i hope so i hope so i i just don't see apple moving into the vr business anytime soon i think they're just way too busy focusing on improving the apple watch and the the iphone and the ipad at the moment and sure i mean they're probably putting a lot of resources into you know checking out vr checking out cars checking out other technologies that might be relevant but i i just don't see them committing anytime soon yeah i i think the earliest would be three years that's my guess and that's that would be early for them uh just comparing where the vr market is with no products let's be clear other than cardboard uh or gear vr i guess uh there really aren't a whole lot of products out there in the serious vr space it's it's going to take a while before apple feels comfortable moving in i think you're right all right our pick of 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hamburg and yes he very much thinks that uber is playing unfair and he told us about that in his email but that's not the point i'm going to raise here uh he hasn't had such good luck with ways now i sing ways privileges privileges i sing ways praises here in los angeles but in his locale in hamburg he likes tom tom he says why tom tom they get the speed and location of every voto phone user in germany and try to find where traffic jam is but they have found out where a lower speed on a road is normal although they also add information about construction areas uh temporary one-way streets temporary roadblocks and the number of streets that tom tom covers in germany is much higher than google in the u.s they have better coverage uh so he he likes tom tom and if you're in germany it sounds like it might be better for you i ways does all of these things that julian says it adds construction info and one-way streets and and low speeds uh and i think what he's really pointing out which i think is true is your navigation app that uses crowdsourced information is only going to be as good as the size of the crowd uh and i i i don't know that there are a ton of tom tom users here but again what they're doing in germany is using every voto phone user so you got a lot more people feeding into the database now ways is tied in with lift uh but i i will still stand by the fact that ways operates very well in los angeles and i know that it doesn't operate well in every city because that maybe not have enough users using it brekkie i'm curious if there's one that you guys use for navigation in sweden uh not that i'm aware of i've looked into both and they both seem to be roughly the same um i i think ways just looks better because it has cuter icons and it gives you a little uh bonus points when you roll over certain points in the road with that when it first started happening scared the crap out of me because i was like what what happened what was that yeah upgrade tom tom phil i feel like tom tom had a bigger splash in the early days of phone apps and it seemed like that was the way to go and then a lot of time passed and then ways cropped up and then i haven't heard about tom tom and so long i kind of thought it would had gone um we use ways around here and it's awesome in sullick city it's really really good um but again i think that's because there's a very active base of people using it so i think tom's totally right if you got a bunch of people using it there's your crowd source you need the crowd to source it maybe yeah there's lots of other navigation apps out there you go check them out find out which one works the best for you i think julien because he uses tom tom and loves it feels like it's probably not getting enough respect so thank you for writing julien so that we could we could point some praise where it is well deserved well that is it for this show thank you brekkie thomason for joining us today man it's always a pleasure always a pleasure 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network get more at frogpants.com diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this bro nice good show what should we call it ooh i have thoughts about that tell us your thoughts your ethereal voice my mind to your mind uh tvz gun said my god the internet is full of stars starry thing is that the thing that's starry yeah yeah i still don't get the 38 gigahertz thing it's so high frequency that you know rain blocks it yeah uh thanks for finally reacts to your friend's death um which is a little dark uh google cardboard more fun than a chair in a room apple falls far from the trend uh facebook gets more faces uh ice delivery ice delivery yeah yeah that's my next my next favorite to buggy whips uh yeah those are the ones i think other than stereo math book yeah stario um moving in stario oh yeah so that's my those are my thoughts we have three that are tied for the top place so let your voices be heard people let them ring out also tom apropos of yesterday there's a really cool new picture of snap flexly on the internet nice where is it it's uh a geek tyrant it's new character photos from star wars i will put it in the chat room which i just realized i'm not in what wexley wexley is the place to be me i've just made myself into the leader of the snap wexley fan club yeah i mean also geek tyrant spells greg greg greg grumburg's name wrong so i'm a little mad about that but it's still cool wait so if aftermath features uh tam and wexley aka snap yeah uh does that prevent us from having an anthology picture about snap wexley or encourage it depends on whether more people than us actually i mean if anyone else liked the chuck windig books i i am having a hard time with those books yeah but i want grumburg to be the star of a star picture yeah i'm sure we can get jj to do a to do another movie oh yeah not not part of the general series but uh actually i have any better idea what about a snap wexley led tv series snap wexley tv series about snap wexley going to college yep yeah and then and then crack bar yep oh my gosh and his ken young's character to join as well yeah i think it's really interesting that many of those people were tv tv people and maybe it says something and then maybe after college snap wexley can join like a secret agency that thinks it's a secret agency but it's really another secret agency snap wexley's in college with a droid named for lc t and then he developed mutants powers and can read minds yes and then there's the pilot of an airplane that crashes on this island i like it he's in everything i can't get eaten by a polar bear we gotta make sure that doesn't happen of course of course i mean he was the voice of captain kerks uncle in star trek to 2009 well he's no it's his stepfather stepfather that's the one yeah but yeah he's in the car in the car that little kirk is driving and uh and he says if you think you have one scratch on my car and that's greg grumburg do you feel like that every time jj abrams does something greg grumburg is there somewhere i mean even before going to the force awakens i hadn't checked the cast because i wanted to be as unspoiled as possible my first thought is where is greg grumburg going to be in this well there are bffs they grew up together that means he must have a lot of uh of jj abrams secrets of course oh yeah it's all a conspiracy theory i mean like that's how best friends are you have you have stuff on your best friend because they confide in you perhaps why do you think i have roger around hmm i thought it's because josh was a first day here comes 11 22 63 speaking of jj abrams uh shut up wuxley wuxley get off the bridge wuxley uh that's a crowded strike at richard the chat room by the way what are you gonna do with an act bar this post show's got class oh wait speaking of class look what came in the mail during the show this is so exciting i can't see she froze are you still there jenny she got so excited she froze her her uh yeah it was so exciting you kicked me off the internet okay let's try this again look oh check that out that's the forecast 2044 calendar yeah the first six months uh did you get yours yet you should have got no i bet i bet i bet it's either coming or it might even be sitting outside the door right now very well maybe i got it yesterday i love when just random stuff appears from the frog pants east network it's like it's just amazing it just showed up in the mail it's good i also like it when i got norwegian chocolate today oh yeah from norwegia from norwegia nor will end yeah nor will end um i'm very excited but i can't open it and tell the other two chuckle heads on the show get it and then i'll eat it which uh which brand is it because you hold it up uh yeah let's see how do i have to open this i know you'd know this too wouldn't you you guys probably you guys are all colluding over there anyway kind of kind of we have a kind of the u.s versus canada kind of relationship i understand um okay here we go it is oh the flu out all right one of them is poprus kubi i don't know what i'm holding it up okay and then there's um that probably means top rice so it's probably a rice uh popped rice kind of candy here's one that's called kivik lunchy it is what it is it's a quick lunch okay is that really what that is yeah yeah it's kind of like um um not too far from kit kats oh okay it feels like a kit cab just holding it yeah the kivik lun sj is the word and i like the sj is in the last part okay so here's one called the man bell i assume this is a germ a germaphobe x actor from uh tv and also host game shows now that's exactly what that is yeah mm-hmm uh or it could just be the uh the norwegian word for almond this one has me excited calm kira michael's joker collate it looks like a chocolate yep that's that's what it is we're in damn one last one the scaff dude in hobby oh look at that don't know that one hobby lobby it's it's paste and craft materials well i just checked the uh mailbox and look what i got don't let this dog die no no no i mean uh i got tax documents wait actually i got something from frog pants east yay it's gonna dog's dying have you guys checked out does the dog die no and i'm not going to it's it's a no it's a service where you can look up movies to see if animals are hurt or killed oh my gosh okay if you're gonna see a movie go to doesthedogdie.com type in the name of the movie and it'll tell you that no no animals died the character of the animal they just mean there's no animals are harmed in the making most pictures but like you don't want to see the sad like oh my gosh the dog got killed in legend you want to see some old movie something made in like the mid 60s or something in right animals but i think what they're going they're going for is uh is like um i am legend you know yeah that kind of stuff oh i still can't think about that movie oh there's a check in here too what yeah our first month's uh hooha all right oh so this is the box stuff yeah yeah everything he sent you a copy of everything everyone gets the mario duck the uh the calendar oh what's that oh yeah that's the memory that's the membership card with a card yeah every month current gig supporter every month they get a new unique one of those for the month i've got a nice system going for that system February 2044 i love that we did that that makes me so happy i'm going to put it up as my calendar anniversary of peak television the art was really fun we'll do the latter half in like june i'm actually kind of getting into the really good it's fun one star wars anthology yoda's stick collection from here no jenny congratulations on the tom and garret uh star wars thing oh yeah i uh i uh i'm having fun doing being a host oh yeah that time flew except i'm so mad about my microphone that was all my fault i'm so mad about it yeah i blamed you and i heard it it's fine god damn it it just made me so upset because it was just like a bad day where lots of things were breaking and it's the one thing i didn't do was check my levels and it was on a different computer and it just utterly perplot and it just now i can't listen to it because it makes me so upset when that happens gotta check i always check my privilege you always check your levels we'll meet them i always check myself before i wreck myself yeah yes valuable lessons you know what i checked at the door my attitudes can i add to that or would that just end the joke no i want it i was gonna say check your privilege oh that was my first one oh so in a way it did end the joke because check your ears roger i always you know what what am i gonna say oh my kid's sucking on a bottle so i can't do anything no no that's actually pretty fair honestly that's a fair yeah roger's a dad guys he can't make time for all these jokes he's creating life the dad creating my wife gestated the life right ensuring that you're shepherding it yes i'm ensuring my investment yeah wow did you guys did you guys know that when president obama says yes we can backwards it says thank you satan did you guys know that what this is not surprised me i've always suspected something was up with that man we've really been into this back masking stuff on tms lately and now let's check it out thank you thank you that was more impressive than i expected honestly yeah i need to in one speech his acceptance speech in no way to think it was or his inaugural or whatever it was he uh he went on and said yes we can a lot like i don't know 10 or 15 times and so the tape just plays like he's thanking satan over and over again i heard if you played if you played donald trump's speeches backwards they sound the same oh well probably not wrong they're like palindromes like boob everything sounds like boob anyway that made me laugh that awesome we tried to do it oh yeah i had to do it and he said he sounds like he's saying it too so we had him say yes oh yeah so just show like that's just a thing yeah so here here's his thank you saying it's cool i think it depends on how you pronounce your satan it does yeah it gets a little uh of an accent when you say really a bad word i don't know like in hebu does it just mean adversary yeah adversary or opponent i think our entire point was that you could play anything backwards and and come up with a brain pattern recognizing thing and then stick to it and it's usually negative what if you if you played everything you've ever said in your life backwards would there be some hidden gem of like a book or like a oh right like if you play enough backwards do you get shakespeare whoa oh interesting that's better than monkeys well you know they tried did they try something with uh chimps and pet riders a while ago yep they couldn't have an infinite number isn't that part of the deals that has to be infinite infinite number of monkeys or infinite time yeah yeah that's a hard bit to replicate i mean who has time for infinite monkeys no one or the worst sanitation scotch answered always can be counted on to bring the poop well you know i mean think about it unlimited monkeys that is a nightmare oh unlimited poop yeah it would never do our nightly news style promos for dtns that'll be that'll figure prominently and the man who brings you the poop scott johnson unmitigated yeah i'm filtered he's not afraid to bring you the unmitigated poop hey good job by the way scott good job today oh thanks i liked your i liked your read oh you liked my read did you yeah you did a good job with the names go guy name go guy name i just ripped through it see that's all it takes someone changed it back from my phonetic that you know i didn't change it i didn't change it wasn't me i may have undead undead nobody nobody's oh no are you the undead what i've let it out it's out of the bag i'm undead although you keep in mind with that sort of thing that we we rely on that doc for show notes oh i no no no i'd plan to go back and change it which is why i check in maybe you were got ahead of yourself change it back to for you yeah i didn't i didn't want to leave any bombs in there for your show notes but sometimes if i go phonetic i'm like oh yeah that's right just put it actually just put it in when you want to go phonetic put it in parentheses in the phonetic in parentheses and then it's like well that's just what the show looks like yeah and then it's a helpful little thing yeah for me is it's less about reminding me how to say it it's more to remind me to not cause go mr. self-effacing and say that word's funny i'm hurt you know like i'm so i think sometimes my writers at geek days just mess with me intentionally by finding the most obscure names like um indian or pakistani scientists have just discovered something and here's their name yeah i get accused by contributors of that as well hmm names are hard man there are i mean sometimes we we just dream of days where erik schmidt has a new story out there i mean this morning was simple it was lauren's kraus that was simple enough those heady days one of these days there'll be a story about what uh speaking of erik schmidt what um it's the company he helped run back here in trovo freaking the name what's wrong with me they had open or they had office uh they both were perfect word perfect what decade is this man word perfect and what can i think of the stupid name used to have um work uh group wise oh my god help me here you're stressing out man it's too old son rick oh don't install don't install novell uh anyway novell no vel used to be big name and tech they owned they bought and owned word perfect and managed it for a while and they sold it to correll uh they were the group wise people like all this kind of stuff and then suddenly and we were all proud of them because they were like right here in provo and then suddenly just nothing and i assumed still doing things they uh they rebranded they're now called uh micro focus or something group wise micro focus no no let's see mobile flexible and fresh not just as everything you need to know about that company group wise 2014 it just it's like another we had another favorite local it was um the the zip drive people i omega they were they were like 30 minutes north of me and they were huge they were the darlings of the industry for so long and then suddenly they didn't matter anymore just like poof no one cared that's how i'm starting from that ebay they're on the crux of that yeah i omega doesn't exist anymore they're now um part of lenovo i think yeah we got bought about jazz to jazz man remember those of them what those are gigabyte or a terrible no they were gigabyte i think i guess i omega owned jazz so someone at nextdoor.com is listening to a lot of frog pants programs because three of my little headlines are about poop oh see none of mine are i have found puppy earthquake ref retrofitting and west side pacific villages informational meeting no there's like just this whole long thing about dog poop i am being besmirched i don't think i talk about poop very often oh sure now i'm gotta wrap we always choose to talk about poop but i'll admit if there's a good poop story to put on tms and it's funny i i you know i'll leave it yeah i don't think it's a matter of volume scott i think it's quality like you always talk about the best poop stories oh yeah you know your doctor will tell you it's about quality not volume so frequency and frequency regularity yeah exactly you're the most reliable source of these kinds of stories over at bustle.com right now we can train ourselves to poop regularly and easily great did you go bustle and i went to news.google.com typed in poop that was the first match that's the latest wow Indian children rolled in cow poop for good luck 18 hours ago should you eat poop to lose weight according to forbes no no you shouldn't forbes yeah there's a new thing about it's like repopulating the bacteria in your gut oh well that's different than eating poop they could have they could have rephrased that transplant it's not eating yeah it's typical of forbes yeah in this case it's actually freeze dried poop pills yeah they're they're good for you well not good for it some people yeah it's not a big old bulls*** right it's not like hey hey come here we need a fresh one chocolate pudding oh no yeah all right all right all right thanks everybody for watching we're out of here goodbye