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Let's get into it Let me is accused of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of ten others While she was working on the neo-natal unit at the can tess of Chester Hospital Let me denies all of the charges over the incidents. Lucy. Let me was well seven babies with ten attempt and ten attempt The only person working on the night shift was alleged in court for their mother who's apparently told I miss let me Trust me. I'm a nurse Just over nine months ago. The trial of Lucy let me began She was accused of the most shocking of crimes Murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of ten others. She always denied all the charges I'm Liz Hull northern correspondent for the mail and I'm Caroline Cheatham a broadcast journalist I was in court every day watching the trial unfold and together we created our podcast the trial of Lucy Let me we examined what happened and brought you the details behind the headlines Allowing you to be part of each moment of the trial Okay, the podcast was groundbreaking because it was the first time in the UK that a podcast covered a live trial week by week You listened in your millions and now we're going to bring you the I feel which I was saying but people do that on Tiktok already is not groundbreaking But salute if I guess for the Daily Mail to come and do it. Yes, it is big for y'all but Freelance journalism won't take talk. They've been doing it Inside story of what happened during the trial and how the jury reached their verdicts. This is the trial of Lucy let me the inside story This story starts back in 2015 back then David Cameron was Prime Minister Facebook got a billion users NASA found water on Mars and almost 700,000 babies were born in the UK 3000 of them were born at the Countess of Chester Hospital in the northwest of England But over the next 12 months from June 2015 to June 2016 It slowly became apparent something unthinkable might be happening doctors noticed that there was a sudden spike in deaths and near deaths on the neonatal unit where Premature and poorly babies are cared for so they started to investigate When they failed to find a medical reason police were eventually called in and after an investigation Lusting for more than a year. They arrested a young band five nurse who had worked at the hospital for several years in November 2020 Lucy let me was charged with the murder and attempted murder of 17 babies and After deliberating for 20 no stop stop What type of six sadistic? Does this? Like I don't care what you got going on in your life to take first of all a Baby a kid a child is one of the innocent most innocent things on earth Did nothing to you and In their parents 22 days the jury found Lucy let me guilty of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six more At the Countess of Chester Hospital in Cheshire She will go down as the most prolific child killer in British history So this from the minute we started work on this podcast, which was back in October last year we had The whole families of every baby at the forefront of our mind the mums and the dads The cousins the aunties the uncles the brothers and the sisters Because we knew we had to do this right They thought their child had died or been hurt or been poorly Because of natural reasons natural causes And the first they knew that this was something much more sinister Was for some of them five years on when they got a knock on the door from Cheshire police Yeah, I had to relive that whole situation because I know people take this hard anyway. I know people that Have like failed You don't failed in the stomach where it doesn't even make it and they take it real hard. So imagine having a preemie And it passing That's heartbreaking and then five years later getting a knock on your door saying it wasn't natural somebody did that Two-day-year-old Can't imagine really horrendous and then a lot of them obviously had to give statements to the police and some of them came to court Themselves to give evidence and had to listen to the most awful details about what happened to their child Nurse came up and asked whether I wanted someone to call a priest I Remember feeling quite shocked and I asked if she thought he was going to die She responded. Yes, I think so when we got there. She was in intensive care with all the machines It was such a shock. She looked like she was going to die Our daughter could go from perfectly fine to nearly dying in seconds. There was no in between Our daughter seemed to deteriorate when we left her alone and predominantly at night I was praying to my god to see my boy and help him. I was asking my god to save him My husband was not saying anything, but he was crying and crying We made the decision to switch off the machines and let her go It was by far the hardest decision of my life Our daughter was in my husband's arms when she took her last breath and silently passed away That audio is so hard to listen to isn't it because they were the actual words of the parents Who gave evidence to this court either in person just two of them did or in statements and for the podcast As you know Liz we got them voiced up by actors because one of the things we wanted to do on the podcast was to take our Listeners into that courtroom to try to put them where we were and to kind of put across the emotion of it being in there you know some of these I'm a mum, you know some of these mums had to get up there and Describe what they'd seen and what had happened to their child and obviously Lucy Latvia is in the room Yeah, she's in the room as well and court a courtroom is quite a scary place as well You know if you're not used to being in the courtroom they're austere places. I mean the other thing you know what? The judicial dissist them has done their job But she has to answer to something higher at the end of the day She has to answer to something higher and she has to answer in jail, too And I know how the UK is set up. They got prisons inside of prisons to to protect high profile You know I'm saying people like this But somehow some way Thing as well is that this was the first time these parents knew What Lucy let be had allegedly done to the other children in this trial Yeah, they couldn't draw the dots until they were actually there and watching and You know that moment of realization of you know the full extent of the case must have been pretty horrendous So Liz from the moment the jury was sworn in that's the jury of eight women and four men for this case Which was in October last year. They were told it was gonna be a long trial. I think they were told it was going to be probably six months They didn't know they were gonna give up probably the best part of a year of their lives but they were also told it was going to be complex and How complex was it? I mean, I've got the figures. We're talking about five thousand Five hundred police statements. We're talking about thirty two thousand two hundred exhibits and more than thirteen thousand pages of audio Transcripts and all that related to Lucy let be who faced 22 charges relating to 17 babies. Yeah, but actually Caroline Nobody will ever know the identities of these babies that really should be at the center of the trial They were at the center of the trial And that's because of the strict reporting restrictions that were on the case to protect their identities on the identities of their families So we would call them baby ATQ. Yeah, that's right What we do know is what Lucy let me did the way that she attacked the babies her modus operandi We know how she attacked them. They'll never know why she attacked them She had a number of techniques. She used insulin to poison She also tried to smother One child had a really serious violent liver injury But she had one particular method. Well, the prosecution said that her favorite method of killing and harming these babies was injecting them with air and that caused an air bubble or an air embolus in their bloodstream which blocked the blood flow and essentially killed them that way Now we don't really know What triggered this kind of killing spree? Yo, this is somebody you're supposed to trust like she went to school for this vigorously That she went on but we do know that she went on a course which taught her how to deal with long lines and injecting medicine into certain cannulas and There were prosecution speculated that maybe that was what taught her about air embolus And that's when she went on to kill baby a a couple of weeks later Two weeks before the death of baby a Lucy let be completed a course relating to intravenous lines Nobody even would think twice about her taking the course. She's a nurse And on the course the dangers of air embolus were mentioned Is that just a coincidence, or is that what gave her the idea? We will never know We say Lucy let be killed baby a with an injection of air into the bloodstream When he collapsed she was standing over him She tried the same thing with his sister the following night, but miraculously she survived He tried to do twins like that So baby D was another child that was injected with air she was the third baby to die in a fortnight in June 2015 and And She was the actually the only baby in the case that was full term She wasn't premature and the reason she was there was because her mum had had a really long and difficult labor She'd been in labor for 60 hours and the doctors thought that She had an infection when she was born because she was having a few problems breathing So that's the reason and she was in the neonatal unit. Yeah, because it catered mainly for premature babies She shouldn't have been there really And actually you'll remember this really well from Cortley's that her mom and then it was the neonatal unit because Creamies, you know, it's really up in the air really This is so methodically planned like was the first parent to give evidence in person one of the key things she told the court was that Lucy let be was sort of what she called hovering Around baby D's cot at one point making her and her husband feel pretty uncomfortable Nurses did go and get her parents to bring them to nursery one because it was clear that their daughter was seriously in As we've heard the parents had gone to rest a few hours earlier But the next thing they knew they were woken up in the middle of the night by a nurse in a panic Baby D's mother explained what happened next to the court and her words have been voiced here by an actor She just said our daughter was very poorly and you need to come down We were fast asleep. So we didn't really know what was going on The nurse helped me get into the wheelchair and we rushed downstairs Dr. Brunton was holding her trying to resuscitate. He was trying really hard We were just standing there looking at her dying Someone was holding a phone to his ear. He was quite agitated and then Dr. Baby told him they had to let go He had to stop She tapped him on the shoulder and said you've got to let her go He stopped massaging her and pronounced the time of her death and I couldn't stay in the room anymore So I asked my husband to take me away That's a parent. That's gotta be Just the initial thing and then to relive it again five years later to know this Bro, they're better than me because I would have been in the courtroom with a with the craziest zombie I would have wanted revenge, but they're better than me You know I'm saying that's but that's I couldn't handle this I'm sure a lot of people came. We attacked three times during that night shift and the allegation was that Lucy let me pump to air into a bloodstream three times and During the final Attempts to save her life when the doctor sadly couldn't resuscitate her They noticed this strange discoloration on her abdomen and on her tummy and this rash this kind of Purpley blotchy rash became quite a feature of the case Well, and actually a lot of the doctors and nurses didn't know what it was They've never seen something like that before the sort of flitting They called it flitting rash that sort of moved and came and went And they didn't know you know what was causing it and they didn't know why they figure out Well this baby, but then as it turned out more babies more babies so baby ease mom also gave evidence in person to the court didn't she and Again a sort of traumatic moment in the courtroom But what happened in her case was that she was never meant to be at the countess She was meant to have her twins at Liverpool women's because there was a condition that should have went to Liverpool I'm not blaming this on the hospital. Yes. I am I'm You really can't blame it on the hospital, but this is like you can't trust nobody It's a new fear unlocked been diagnosed and they were better there when she went into labor There were no beds So she and her husband drove the 30 miles live up to the countess of Chester to have the twins there and The reason we've chosen this as a key moment in the podcast was because this was one of the moments that Lucy let be Was interrupted attacking one of the twins and on this evening it was a couple of days after the boys have been born and their mother was on her own actually in the hospital recovering from a caesarean and Her husband had actually gone home Because there was anticipated that the boys were gonna go or be transferred to a hospital near their home to be cared for Because they were doing well because they were doing well Yeah, and so in the evening of the 3rd of August she'd been down to see them in the neonatal unit She'd changed their nappy. She'd done what's called their cares So she'd kind of wiped their eyes and their neck and then a couple of hours later She around nine o'clock at night. She went to deliver some breast milk And that's when she arrived on the neonatal unit and described hearing her son screaming And horrendous scream it was described as and that's when the prosecution said she she actually interrupted Lucy let be mid attack Let me hear this I could hear my son crying and it was like nothing. I had heard before I Walked over to the incubator to see blood coming out of his mouth and I panicked I was panicking because I felt like there was something wrong was Lucy let be near your son when you walked in No, there was a workstation and she was at the workstation Just describe what you could hear. I could hear crying What sort of crying? It was a sound that should not have come from a tiny baby. It was horrendous. It was more of a scream than a cry How long before you walked into the room? Could you hear that? I could hear it in the little corridor What was Lucy let be doing as you walked in hearing what you could hear She was busy doing something, but she wasn't near my son Off-top, I would have blamed her You don't hear my son like you don't have my baby in here doing all this like that to me that screams I'm trying to play something off But in the moment, I guess, you know I'm saying you're not expecting that you're not really thinking like that and when Baby E's mom actually went into the room to the cock to see him Now he had blood around his mouth at that point and she was really worried But she went back to the ward because Lucy let be told her to But later when he collapsed and doctors were trying to save him this bleeding got worse and worse Yeah, and One of the doctors also noticed that he had a rash on his body And he remembered that this rash was like the one that he'd seen on baby a day and Sadly they worked on him for almost 50 minutes And the doctors just couldn't save him and he died in the early hours 50 minutes of see yeah on a tiny baby and obviously his parents were called in and they watched a lot of that Process and sadly had to watch him slip away But we come back to the rash again. Well, this is sick of me This is sick of me That keeps coming up in this trial Yeah, what's the rash still at this point the doctors and nurses were noticing it But didn't know why it was that didn't know what it meant didn't know really that it was significant But then are there no cameras in the mic you I'm trying to think I think there are There's a moment isn't there again Which is why we pick this out from the podcast because it was a bit of a turning point really in the doctors And nurses wondering what was going on So one of the doctors in this case a doctor called Ravi J. Ram. He was a consultant He started to research this rash not so much later on but yeah a lot later on but he then realized that This rash could be a consequence a sign of an air ambulance Dr. Jarrion said he didn't realize the clinical significance of the rash until months later after more babies had died And it had been present in others who collapsed He said the research paper which the jury heard is well known among pediatricians Examined the effect of air embolus. That's air in the circulation of newborns Meredith Gray would have caught that right away And it described almost exactly the rash and the skin discoloration that was seen on the body of baby a I remember sitting on my sofa at home with the iPad and I remember reading that description and the physical chill That went down my spine because it fitted with what we were seeing So it was at this point after the deaths of baby D and baby E That doctors on this unit started to look at what was going on. Yeah, because it don't make sense You know I'm saying these doctors are prideful very prideful some of them have got Complexes so when stuff going on and they losing patience they go they lose sleep over that And they start obsessing over it like no way. Let's let's get to the bottom of it Same thing over and over because it just didn't feel right these babies who shouldn't be collapsing and dying They were collapsing and dying unexpectedly They were meant to be going home. They were meant to be getting better and Dr. Ravi J. Ram started to look at it along with another doctor called Steven Breary And the two of them started to look at what was going on And they noticed which is the key thing that Lucy let me was on duty every single time one of these babies collapsed or died and Gotta look for the common things What's what do all of these have in common? at the beginning they just Noted it down and said it was an association they Because they couldn't believe that a nurse Would do this do what they called the unthinkable and attack babies And it wasn't until a few months later that they actually went to the hospital managers and said We think there's something about this nurse being on duty every single time and Dr. J. Ram told the court that the Circumstances of baby Kay's collapse prompted he and dr. Breary to raise their concerns a second time to hospital managers This time the court heard they took their concerns to the medical director as well Dr. J. Ram told the court the dr. Breary even asked for a meeting between the consultant How embarrassed is the hospital about this like what's going on? I know they had to pay some crazy money Like in lawsuits. I know none of that money can bring back kids or that means nothing But I know they had to pay out crazy And some hospital managers to discuss their concerns But they were ignored and the pair faced pressure not to make a fuss dr. J. Ram said No one came back to the consultants for another three months dr. J. Ram claimed and he told jurors that in hindsight He wished he'd bypassed official channels and gone straight to the police himself In court mr. Myers suggested it was difficult to believe that if dr. J. Ram had witnessed what he said he had with baby Kay and Really suspected someone was harming babies on his unit that he hadn't done precisely that Their robust exchange in court which starts with mr. Myers has been voiced by actors You have a duty to look after children on your unit if you think someone is deliberately harming them You do your best to protect them. I did my best by raising concerns to senior executive level medical management Concerns were first raised by my colleague to file on a protocol, but sometimes protocol is not enough You know I'm saying morality overtakes that And I'm not a go-go tell the police person, but this I'm instantly a yo This ain't nothing gangster like this is real life Dr. Breary in February we raised them again Lucy let me continue to work on this department for another four months or so in retrospect I wish we had bypassed them and gone straight to the police We by no means were playing judge and jury at any point, but the association was becoming clearer and clearer We were in an unprecedented situation. No one trains us for this. We were not thinking could this be deliberate harm So obviously back in June July 2015 Dr. Jay Ram and Dr. Breary were having conversations this association. Yeah, I remember man. These doctors y'all are geniuses So if y'all say something like y'all get to think it's something like Like it's almost I said like I believe it So if y'all would have came to me and told me like Lucy, I think Lucy is doing it Listen, I would have went and grabbed Lucy by the side forgets my bad Let me get she had been made because Lucy let be seemed always be there at these unexpected moments When babies were collapsing and dying Well, then it was October the same year when These concerns started to escalate and other doctors were getting involved in these conversations, wasn't it? so they said basically that they were talking to their Colleagues and this was a key part of the prosecution case But it was also a key part of Lucy let be defense because she said in court that Four of these consultants in particular the gang of form as they were termed in court Had it in for essentially and we're trying to blame her for the failings at the hospital for mistakes that were made and for the Bailey's death and actually when she gave evidence later in the trial That was the accusation. She made to Nick Johnson the prosecutor She named four consultants dr. Jayram dr. Stephen Breary Dr. John Gibbs and dr. B a consultant We haven't been able to name as being out to get her She said the four were involved in a conspiracy to blame her for the baby's deaths You may also remember that she told the judge I had to flip it worry that when she'd written the word Bastards on another of the notes She was referring to dr. Breary and dr. Jayram because she was angry that they pointed the finger at her Are you suggesting there's some sort of agreement between medical staff to get you in the consultants group? I do believe yes Four doctors a gang of four. Let's call them. What's the conspiracy? They have apportioned blame on to me the motive Yeah, what's the reason leave to cover failings at the hospital And and it was pointed out in court that actually the that's that's cap who would believe that To cover failings. Yes, you're low enough in the totem pole where like Get rid of her but like it was not so you're not significant enough to put that on like It doesn't make sense for them to do that to you Consultants did everything they could really to find a medical reason a medical explanation for what was going on Because nobody really wanted to believe that one of their own was attacking babies and doing what they said was the unthinkable Yeah, and in fact, it was so unthinkable that dr. Steven Breary actually said Not Lucy not nice Lucy when this was suggested I'm not even gonna cat Lucy don't even look like she would do nothing like that, but that's the thing man in the world world You can't play it by book like by looks Like that's saying because golden don't show the book by its cover. It goes both ways Don't think somebody is too nice for something. Don't think somebody looks too mean it is No, because nobody wanted to believe it The other reason that the court was told by the prosecutor that this allegation that the gang of four were out to get her was fanciful according to the prosecutor at Johnson was because these four experienced consultants had ignored the key medical evidence in this case, which was the insulin Yeah, so when they went to the managers, they didn't actually know that two of the babies on the unit had already been poisoned and He mr. Johnson pointed that out saying, you know, it was amazing that they missed essentially the best bit of evidence against her and it was only Years later when the police got involved and started investigating that they actually unearthed these two blood samples That were taken eight months apart baby boys from two separate sets of twins that were poisoned eight months apart And that's the that's the type of mistakes or overlooks that be anger on me too because if y'all would have caught that maybe others Wouldn't have had to lose their lives as well And the insulin was found to be in these blood samples and it had to be insulin that was manufactured It couldn't have been produced by them themselves. It was given to them deliberately and because they didn't need it It was given to them to cause harm Do you agree that baby F was poisoned with insulin? Yes Knowing what you know about insulin readings blood sugar readings. What are the realistic possibilities in baby L's case? I don't believe any member of the unit would make a mistake Mistake is not an option. Yes Deliberate poisoning but not you Insulin has been added by somebody but not me So we know that attack on baby F came the day after his brother, baby E was murdered And that was a particularly moving moment in court Liz. I remember the description of what happened there Yeah, so the manner of his attack was just horrendous The way it was described in court He was attacked by having what they think was a metal instrument shoved down his throat which triggered this bleeding and As they desperately tried to resuscitate him. He lost a quarter of the blood in his body And you know, obviously that one of the doctors that was present there was describing There's a lot of things that's going on on earth. It's restoring faith in humanity But then you hear something like this. It's like 20 steps forward 40 steps back man 100 steps back In this moment and was clearly traumatized by what he saw Doctors began full CPR when his heart stopped beating The court heard dr. Harkness led the resuscitation efforts alongside nurses Caroline Oakley, Lucy Letby and another colleague Belinda Williamson jurors were told the resuscitation Lucy let her like something's wrong with her because she would do it and then she would stand there and watch and try to help resuscitate like she was getting enjoyment fulfillment like she was Like unravel that like what's the issue was distressing because baby E continued to bleed profusely From his nose and mouth while the medical team desperately tried to save him Over the course of the next 47 minutes with his parents close by the medical team gave baby Do they do I taught up tops. What's the word? I'm top sees for any of the children The five doses of adrenaline to try and stimulate his heart Yes, and unusually like in the case of baby C Baby E's heartbeat returned momentarily just after 1 a.m But by then he had been without oxygen for around 15 minutes and doctors soon realized he was unlikely to survive CPR was stopped at around 123 a.m. And baby E was given to his parents to cuddle as he passed away He was formerly pronounced dead at 140 a.m Now after he died The initial thought from the doctors was that he died from natural causes. They advised the parents not to have a post-mortem and that Was was a wrong decision really It was a really terrible mistake and they would have got a post-mortem T. See I just said that They would have got a post-mortem on this they would have figured out Initially the consultant thought that he'd got some kind of stomach bleed due to a kind of bowel condition that premature babies get But that was later disproved by the medical experts So these decision not to have a post-mortem meant that actually Although they suspected that he'd been assaulted Like in the case of one of the triplets baby. Oh who had a terrible liver injury They couldn't actually prove that baby E had been assaulted and when the consultant gave evidence in court it produced It's more and more and more and more errors Of course, we can look at it from the outside or in hindsight and be like man They should have did that but in the moment, you know as medical professionals They just going off you know because obviously they're not thinking that somebody but at this point they have suspicions They should have been doing everything. It's a really dramatic moment Yes in court the doctor turned to baby E's parents who were sitting in the public gallery behind her and Publicly apologized for this She said she regretted that decision because obviously a post-mortem would have been very helpful in explaining exactly why baby E died The doctor went on to explain to the jury why she changed her mind about baby E's cause of death And why she thought the bowel condition was no longer to blame Yeah, she said she'd since examined the results of blood tests and x-rays taken in the run-up to his death She said his observations were very stable up until he collapsed Which didn't fit with what would have happened if he had had the bowel problem She also said she'd failed to give enough weight to the x-ray taken around an hour before his death and had been normal So because there was no post-mortem for baby E The prosecution didn't really have the medical evidence to prove that he had been assaulted even though the evidence of the bleeding Was pretty conclusive But in the case of baby O who was also the prosecution said Visually assaulted by Lucy Letby. It was a different matter because that was clear on the post-mortem records, wasn't it? Yeah, so he had a post-mortem And the post-mortem results were looked at by the prosecution's expert Dr. Andreas Marna-Ede's who found severe liver injury which he said was akin really only to Children he'd seen that suffered injuries in road traffic accidents and of course baby O was a triplet his brother was baby P and they were both murdered by Lucy Letby within Hours actually of her coming back onto the ward after she'd been on holiday to Ibiza and in fact What we also heard was that the prosecution say that she also Planned to kill the third triplet, but he was moved off the ward his parents essentially begged doctors From the transport team and they arrived to take baby P Sadly, he died and they begged and begged the doctors to take the surviving triplet out of out of the Countess to another hospital Good thing they did Like what was wrong with Lucy did she like She might have kids and was taking it out on people or like what? This baby boy was a triplet and he and his two brothers were identical because they shared a placenta now while triplets themselves are rare Identical triplets conceived naturally like these baby boys were are even more unusual So rare in fact it happens in just one in 200 million births The prosecution say Lucy Letby didn't just murder baby. Oh, she also killed his brother baby P She's accused of injecting both boys with air into their tummies and bloodstreams causing them to collapse and die Statement to the court of the triplets mother described what she'd witnessed On June 23rd a doctor came Onto the ward and said baby O's stomach had swollen and he was needing help to breathe So they had put a tube down his throat and lots of medical staff were rushing around I remember the nurse Lucy was there all the time The staff seemed to be in a state of panic. I Just sat outside the nursery. I couldn't bring myself to go closer. My partner was closer to what was going on Baby O kept arresting and he changed color which I saw later with baby P He was swollen all over his body another doctor called Steve arrived. I think he was one of the main doctors He told me that things weren't looking good for baby. Oh, and if he did manage to survive He would likely have brain damage. It's a tough watch, man So it might be best if we can't even see them, but just to hear it all is tough. He didn't survive This went on all afternoon and eventually baby O passed away at about 5 p.m. This whole episode had come as a bolt out of the blue on the face of it Everything seemed to be going so well for the triplets It was never explained to us how this sudden downturn in baby O's health happened as a family We were naturally devastated And it was actually during baby P's deterioration When Lucy let me made what one of her colleagues described was an absolutely shocking comment I remember saying the transport team are going to be here soon almost thinking out loud I was literally counting the minutes before they arrived Staff nurse let me said he's not leaving here alive. Is he which I found absolutely shocking at the time Did you report that what it like that's almost Admission in my mind, what do you mean by that comment? I turned around and said don't say that All these years on seven years on that memory is still very much alive in my mind Now obviously we know about that comment that was made we know she liked the drama We know she reveled in all of that drama But what she also craved was the attention The attention of a certain doctor who we call doctor a because we couldn't name him during the trial and He was described in court as her boyfriend Although she said they were just friends and that she loved him as a friend But what we know is that he's married But they texted long into the night on many occasions. Yes, so they went on trips to look man I ain't gonna lie to you man never never get involved with somebody I've worked London together. He bought a chocolate. He let it use his car to get home and Actually the first time that we saw any emotion from her was when he came to give evidence and stepped into the witness box For the first time and she broke down in tears and she actually tried to leave the dock But as soon as he gave his name to the court Lucy let me became tearful and stood up from her seat She appeared to try to leave the glass panel dock by the doors which leads to the cells the trial judge mr Justice Goss watched the drama unfold and asked Lucy let me solicitor to just see what the problem is She had a hush conversation with the dock officer and her solicitor before composing herself Although she did continue to wipe her eyes with a tissue as the doctor started to give his evidence The jury was not given an explanation for her reaction and the doctor was allowed to continue with his evidence Were you in love with him? No, I loved dr. A as a friend. I wasn't in love with him One of the theories put to the jury Was that Lucy let be attacked babies in order to get dr. A into the room to get his attention Yes, we already know What you did that to get that man attention to get him in the same room like grow some You that on a number of occasions when babies on the unit collapsed It was dr. A who was crash-bleep to attend what mr. Johnson has now alleged to the court Is that Lucy let be murdered and deliberately harmed some of the children in order to get dr. A into the room Bro straight weirdo That's the weirdest thing I ever heard in my life Like you can do so many other things to get somebody's attention, but you do that Did you enjoy being in these crisis situations with dr. A? No Did it give you something to talk to him about and message him about? No, dr. A and I were friends Something in common you could share No, and it was after the deaths of baby O and baby P Which was in June 2016 that things came to a head and because of what we heard in court We call this episode the tipping point We called it the tipping point because that's what one of the consultants said in his evidence and by June 2016 they'd been repeatedly to the hospital managers to try and act to keep the baby safe and Nobody had done anything and these two babies died and shouldn't have died and they realized that something had to be done The jury have heard from some of the key consultants on the neonatal unit who said they demanded that Lucy let be removed from the ward in June 2016 They claim they went to hospital managers more than once as their suspicions grew But on each occasion they claim their request was refused and their concerns were ignored Dr. Breary insisted he repeatedly tried to flag concerns to the correct channels at the hospital Pressed about exactly why he didn't make a formal complaint Or go to the police. Dr. Breary told Mr. Myers Tell you man hospital wasn't hospital and Wasn't protecting making it more simplistic than it was it was not something that anyone wanted to consider that member of staff Was harming babies Actually the senior nursing staff on the unit didn't like like I said earlier like you think about it If doctors are raising concerns, they might be on to something because they went to school for like 15 years I'm not saying that equates to like common sense, but like they they know a little something Smarter than your average Quick critical thinking they come on now Believe this could be true off until the point and beyond of course nobody like It's that whoever's in that head seat don't want to take that type of accountability where it's somebody that staff Looks bad on us looks bad on us like bro. So you can let it when the triplets died That year was spent with myself and colleagues with increasing suspicion after every episode None of us wanted to believe it either This all became very exceptional and it took a step back to think about it the nature of these collapses the unexpected nature of them The lack of response to resuscitation the unusual rash noted on a number of occasions and each time the association with nurse Let me and he told the court that once Lucy let me was removed from the unit a few days after the triplets died There were no more events It was the same staff doing the same job, and there were no sudden collapses So Lucy let me was removed from the ward and allocated to what was called other duties after the death of the two boys Dr. John gives their deaths as the tipping point in court After the deaths of the triplets because concerns had reached a tipping point Safety measures were introduced in one of the key safety measures which the consultants were insistent on was Lucy Let me be removed from the neonatal unit. That was not a simple straightforward decision a month later Senior managers wanted staff nurse let me to come back on the unit And we said that should only happen if Cctv was put in each room in the unit Final it shouldn't have been it shouldn't have happened at all First of all y'all seen the change nothing when she was there Unalivings happened when she wasn't Everything was cool the thought to bring her back probably because she was pushing to come back like oh, I gotta scratch this it's all weird So I hope somebody scratch her itching prison Lee finally in July 2018 Lucy let be was arrested She was arrested in a dawn raid by police from Cheshire at her home in Chester Just a couple of miles from the hospital and at that point her house was searched as was the home of her parents Who lived in Hereford and in these police searches? They found what they described as a treasure trove of information medical documents Post-it notes and pictures of cards on her phone that she'd written and in baby eyes case They found a condolence card that they that she actually sent to her parents on the day of her funeral There are no words to make this time any easier bro This is like spitting in a face You did it you watched it unfold you watched the resuscitation and then you spit in a face. I send in a card It was a real privilege to care for baby I and get to know you as a family a family who always put baby I first and did everything possible for her She will always be a part of your lives and we will never forget her Thinking of you today and always sorry. I cannot be there to say goodbye It's a weird thing to do to take a picture of a card and keep it on your phone for years Was there any clue why she probably looked back into you at the car like huh? You know I'm saying like that like no, what other reason would you do that like look look what I did ha? Caught the em got away with the em watch the em watch them try to retest the tape She just said that that she did that routinely with cards that she sent to people because she wanted to remember what she'd written And there was another card on that on her phone Which was a thank-you card that the parents of baby E and baby F had actually sent to all the nurses on the unit To say thank you when baby F was well enough to go home and that was also found on her phone And actually these souvenirs the police called them or killing trophies. They didn't end there. Did they? Detective Constable Colin Johnson is an exhibits officer with Cheshire police Now he was called to give evidence and took the jury through what police discovered at Lucy let these three bedroom Semi in the Blake and suburb of Chester one of the most dramatic moments so far in the court case has been a Post-it note. This was found at Lucy. Let these home during a police search Why was this such a big moment in the case? Yeah? This is a key moment Caroline the jury was shown the scribbled post-it note on Screens in the courtroom. It was found at her home in Chester in the note She describes herself as evil the note also said I did this I killed them on purpose because I'm not good enough She also wrote I will never have children or marry or know what it's like to have a family But she also had written I haven't done anything wrong and I feel very alone and scared There are no words. I am an awful person. I pay every day for that. I can't breathe. I can't focus Kill myself right now Overwhelming fear panic. I'll never have children or marry. I'll never know what it's like to have a family No, hope. I haven't done anything wrong. I don't deserve to live. I did this Why me? I killed them on purpose because I'm not good enough for them and I'm a horrible evil person You ain't gotta be good enough for that. You're not their parents. I Don't deserve mom and dad world is better off without me so If that's the case why you take it out on there? I am evil. I did this There's the confession. It sounds like she was like Unaliving them And looking at them as herself because she wasn't good enough for her parents or something Something crazy going on. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's what the prosecution said the defense said that It wasn't a confession They said that it was written by Lucy Latby when she was moved off the unit out of the job She said she loved into the admin role because she felt isolated because she felt anxiety She was upset and they said it was the anguished outpouring of a woman who felt Destroyed by losing her job. I know lawyers have a job to do but they shouldn't even took her case But also if all that's true at this point She knew she was being investigated by the police. They'd spoken to colleagues at the hospital So they knew that word was getting back to her Why keep them? Well, that's a big question the police actually think that she kept them on purpose Potentially for them to find they can't work out why they would be in the house So many months after she knew that she was being investigated The yellow post-it note contained the first names of the triplets involved in the case and underneath had been written Today is your birthday, but you aren't here and I'm so sorry for that I'm sorry. You couldn't have the chance at life and for the pain. I can't do this anymore The court heard that police found the log along with a blood test report for baby M in a plastic Supermarket carrier bag under Lucy let bees bed when they searched her home close to the hospital She told detectives she must have forgotten to empty her pockets before leaving work and inadvertently taking the paper towel home She said it may have been put to one side and forgotten about But she denied keeping it as a reminder of an attack on baby M Six-year investigation a court case lasting the best part of a year rafts and rafts of evidence as we've seen that Implicate Lucy let be in the murders and attempted murders of these babies strange odd behavior throughout this period and yet between 2015 and 2016 and all of this was going on No one noticed that she was behaving oddly because she wasn't behaving oddly or strangely at work She was a really competent nurse. You know you seen the pictures of her. She's you know She looks like the girl next door. There's nothing remarkable about her at all. She was a killer operating in plain sight so after Months and months and months of this trial years and years of this investigation What we do I genuinely hate her. I have a strong hate for a hate for Lucy Let be No is how these babies died and were harmed. We know where they died and were harmed and we know when They died and were harmed What we don't know and more importantly what their families Who Lizzie as you've witnessed have behaved with the most Amazing bravery courage Composure Yeah, I wouldn't have no composure They said she was behind a glass little box thing for her protection. Hey, listen Autely dignified through Well, they'll never know we don't think he's the why And and also Caroline we we won't actually know how many more Because we do know that the police are still investigating Lucy Let be And we know that they are now going back to when she began her training And she wasn't only just at the countess. She also worked for periods of time at Liverpool Women's Hospital And so they are going to back to look at thousands of babies that pass through these neonatal units and They haven't ruled out charges in the future and that she will be back in court at a later day This is sick. She is a spawn of satan She will You know Answered to a higher power one day If she was in the state of texas that day would be sooner than later um What else what else what else I got to say man, what else um RIP to all those innocent lives Condolences to the families And if you live if you work at a hospital a school Uh an old folks home somewhere like that man. You see something say something man Don't leave it up to the policies and regulations, but just just jump off that blend And and trust yourself Say something Because you can be saving a lot a lot of lives Oh god