 Gubar a good result against Hekaru with the black pieces you drew in the night off Now that's one line that has been under fire especially since the London chess classic. Tell us a little bit about your opening Well, he went for the I mean he went for six Bishop g5 Which is as far the most aggressive system and by far the most problematic variation for black. I mean There were two top-level games in this variation. I mean, which was played last month First was Karwana's victory against Nakamura himself and second was Nakamura's crushing victory over MVL. So Well, I was expecting him to go for Bishop g5 and I had some ideas up my sleeve, but After I mean Bishop g5 I went for six Knight bd7 and Here he played Queen e2 h6 Bishop f6 nf6 and followed by I mean then he followed it with g3 I I think this has not been played so far and Well, he was looking confident and he was blitzing so I mean he was well prepared, but then I went for e5 and After Knight f5 Bishop e6. I couldn't actually I mean I was actually quite comfortable. I mean I couldn't find any clear ways for white to you know get a Better position or I mean to play for initiative. So actually the crucial point was When he went b4, I mean I had an option to play rook takes d5 or to play rook c6 Rook takes d5 is basically just giving an exchange sacrifice I mean giving a rook for Bishop and rook for Knight and then Then it's a positional game where I have my trumps as well, but well, I'll be down in exchange for the remaining game and Rook c6 was another alternative where I mean, which was also quite decent, but After rook c6, I thought that white had some advantage. So after rook d5 e5 Bishop d7 like I Mean I had like he was up in exchange, but his king was quite weak and but the main problem was that I couldn't find a clear cut plan, you know just to post more problems for white what I chose was pretty straightforward and it didn't actually yield anything and It was quite easy for him to find the best defensive setup and then the game just fizzled out So well the fact that you put Hikaru in trouble to find the best defensive setup was already an achievement with black Now when he played b4, it's quite a provocative move And like you said the rook d5 was not the most obvious Reply to that and you're giving an exchange without an obvious compensation. So how is your thought process? Why did you choose Rook d5 instead of just retreating with the rook? Well, first of all The move before is highly was highly provocative, but actually he didn't have any other move I guess because I was already threatening Bishop takes d5 and then I mean after Bishop takes d5 it would have been quite easy for me to play because white doesn't have any sort of counter play so and After b4, I mean I had two options and rook takes d5 which I chose Was I think the strongest because after rook takes d5. It's much easier for black to play. I mean black is I mean a very clear follow-up and after rook c6 I mean Hikaru's play would have been much easier. So I think I played rook d5 just by I mean I mean I just felt that after rook c6 I would have to defend for the entire game Rook d5 was a practical approach Right in fact after Rook d5 the position you got it almost seemed like the position that Hikaru would love to play with the black pieces because Despite being an exchange down. There was a lot of initiative for you. Yeah, that's what he was quite unhappy and he was quite Disturbed actually because Yeah, he had to defend. I mean this is not what what Hikaru wants. I mean he's a Very strong and I think one of the best Dynamic plays in the world. I mean of course, I mean he's one of the best plays in the world, but Dynamics or tactics. I think is by far his strongest point and This has resulted him in winning many games. I can stop place like Ramnik and even Abhishek Anand. So Right now against Hikaru. This was the first time you were up against him Whatever said and done you you're happy with this result, right? I cannot say that I'm happy because I I mean actually I Mean I had a very nice position and if I would have found the best continuation and then I mean if I would have post more problems then that would have you know Been a That would have been an achievement actually rather than just playing a normal stuff and then drawing so well But anyways, it's a it's not a bad result. Yeah, so not a bad result at all And now you're somebody who keeps coming back to Gibraltar. What brings you back again and again? First of all, the weather is nice. That is the main thing. I mean, it's not as cold as other parts of Europe. I mean and I mean, it's one of the best organized tournaments in the world and I mean, of course, it's I mean not only me. I think most of the players who are here feel some sort of I Mean they feel that they want to come again and again. So I mean you just feel like You know, January 2017 or January 2018. I mean any year Any chess player I would I think would like to, you know, love to start with Gibraltar. So I think Thanks to Stuart Conquist. So Thank you very much and good luck for remaining games. Thanks a lot