 Next we have is we're going to try and do a fishbowl type panel where we want to kind of get the answer a lot of people have been asking like what's the future JavaScript framework like what should we if you're building a new app today what should we be thinking about which one to pick what recommendations we have and I don't know as John pointed out if there is a right or wrong answer but what we would try and do with this panel is try and see what different people have opinions about and what they think you know you should use amber you should use this you should use that and here's the reason behind why I would suggest you should use this so we're gonna open it up anybody from the audience can jump in and kind of start giving their perspective but I would request if four people can come up and seed this to start with the discussion and then more people can come in and we can rotate people through this so do we have any four volunteers who want to come up and try and take a shot at answering what is the future of JavaScript web frameworks oh good to John three I'm already miked this is so easy we're actually do karaoke now yeah setting the rules one chair is empty if anybody else from the audience wants to answer they come take the chair one of you will have to leave and that continues at any given point in time one chair is empty for someone to come and take the chair all right what oh so we yeah how's this start so I just make your opinion and I disagree with it oh well okay how are your friends no so me and John think very similarly so I I consider the future of JavaScript to be isomorphic JS obviously so rendering the state of your application on the server side using node JS and hopefully sharing some of the logic that you've built for your application across the server and on the client there isn't currently a lot of frameworks out there that provide this sort of support we're getting there embers working on it Tom Dale wrote a plot the blog post a couple years ago about progressive enhancement and sort of reference the work that they were going to do with ember but yeah the future of JavaScript frameworks is probably this kind of work this kind of logic is going to get done for you so you won't even have to think about it there won't be a server anymore you'll check