 Okay. Thank you for being the tech wizard today. Okay, number two, we're resuming our open session and the public here we have no public hearing. Recording in progress. I'll report there were no, we did discuss every item on the agenda of the closed session, but we did not make any actions, especially no public hearing none. Item three are board members an opportunity to remove items from the consent agenda. Nothing from me. Nothing from me. Tom? No. Okay. Well, I will comment on one item. Okay. And we have a public comment. I have a public comment. Any items? Thank you, Becky Steinberg. I have questions on to the consent agenda items. Item 4.3 that is information within the general managers report that there were two change orders. Number five and number six with McGuire and Hester. So these are regarding change orders in the injection wells and those changes were implemented on September 12th. I'd like to know what those changes were. Change orders are very expensive. So I think it's a good transparency to let the public know what those change orders involve. That's item 4.3. Item 4.4 is very curious that there is a claim for $38,172 for hotel costs for McGuire brothers. They're a local, they're a local drilling company. I don't understand why the district would be billed such a high amount or an amount at all for hotel costs and also trim removal. I really question the wisdom of drilling a new well in the same area where there is contamination problems already and so I'm assuming that the new well will be clear of those contamination problems but I really question the wisdom of doing this. I'm glad that well is going to be having some sort of remediation because it has been a problem well with contamination for a very long time. Thank you. And then the thank you for putting the net of app or transpiration and total production graph into the consent agenda. And I guess on page so it's item 4.3 there's a graph on page 9 of 35 that it looked like in July that the production was going up and then in August it went down so it didn't continue on and if you go to page 11 of 35 it kind of shows why that happened with the VAPO transpiration going down also or it's a likely cause. The purple dotted graph went down in August and likewise the production went down. So not necessarily a one-for-one relation but it I think that the weather is one of the reason one of the big well it's obviously a big driver. It helps me in framing my thinking about our water use especially with with the rates new rate structure coming up in the near future. So thank you for including it. Yeah, let's have you did that we were thinking we'd bring it back quarterly or unless you want to find yet just shows the trends and she updated a little bad things you made it even nicer. We'll let her know. Yeah, it's great. It's just it is kind of interesting but there's also you know another factor that I didn't really take I didn't really understand until COVID hit in that how many empty vacant houses were occupied during the pandemic on a full-time basis when they weren't uh who weren't before and then you know I think sometimes the water consumption during the summer especially what's going on with tourism and the weather could affect that also. Anyway yeah thank you for that adding the transpiration. A little harder to hear the data. I don't know why. Would you say? It's just a little harder to hear you. I don't know whether you hear. Oh you can't I can't. Oh you know what? I heard most of it. Pull the mic a little closer I noticed it. Yeah. Thanks. Yeah I was worried that that was an echo actually. Thank you. It wasn't an echo it was just my actual voice. So anyway okay thank you. Thank you. Are there any other comments? Do we have a move a motion? I'll move approval the consent agenda. Second or all in favor? Oh we have to do it by sorry about that. Director Balboni. Yes. Vice President Jaffee. Yes. Director Lehu. Yes. Director Lather. And President Christensen. Yes. Okay item five is the next item is oral communications and this is an opportunity for public members of public members to speak and any item that is not on the agenda. Thank you. Becky Steinbrunner. I just want to again ask that the district put documents available regarding the Peerwater SoCal project and both of the addendums the 2020 and the 2021 addendums available in the public libraries. They're not there and as I said I am planning to on my own expense print them and get them bound so they are available if the district continues to refuse. So this is one last request. I've requested it through the library. The library has requested it and each time the district refuses saying it's available on the website well it's hard to find and a lot of people do not use the computer. They would like to know about this project and do use the public libraries as their informational source. There is a public comment open now on the City of Santa Cruz's Pollution Control Permit that involves the wastewater outfall into the National Marine Sanctuary and the Pacific Ocean. This involves the district because once the advanced water treatment facility for the Peerwater SoCal project is up and running that brine will be going directly out into the bay. There's been no study about that and that's part of what my lawsuit is about. There's been no study about the effects of fluctuations in brine concentration at the outfall or in temperatures which is also of a consideration in the marine environments. So the Central Coast Regional Water Quality Control Board will be looking at this permit application renewal for the City of Santa Cruz in early December. The public has the ability until October 12th to comment on that analysis and anything to do with that permitting and I encourage everyone to look at that document. There still is a problem with a rupture or a slight leak, some people say, in the effluent outfall pipe that is quite near to the shore and the Water Quality Control Board has asked the City of Santa Cruz to monitor it. They have been but it still exists and it shows up every year in the dive plumes. So it would behoove the City and the State Water Quality Control Board to require that be repaired especially with the incoming brine coming from the water treatment plan, the Peerwater SoCal. Thank you. Anyone else? I just wanted to mention that there's some new desal technologies that we should be aware of and today the Las Virginias Municipal Water District has announced that they've got a new pilot project, probably read about it in the LA Times this morning and it's a new way of implanting these desal pods. They're placed on the ocean floor about a mile or more out into the ocean off the coastline and they use 40% less energy and they use water pressure to power reverse osmosis and they produce zero brine and there are other companies that are working on these new smaller technologies for desal too that are being implemented regularly so I just thought that sounded exciting and we need to be true. I'm gonna follow these yeah so thank you. Nothing from me. I'm good. Tom you said I'm fine thank you. Okay reports for the district council report. Yeah thanks President Christensen. Just a couple of things this evening. The first is a reminder that the legislative process was completed last Thursday so all the bills for this cycle are currently in front of the governor and he has until October 14th to sign or veto them. Lots of interesting issues that went forward this year. We're in the process of reviewing everything to identify those that are relevant to the district and we'll be bringing reports back to the to the board as we kind of identify bills that are you know important for us to to be discussing. In addition one thing that was approved by the legislature was to place an initiative on the March 2024 ballot. This is ACA 13 and what it would do would be to change the voter threshold that would apply to a constitutional amendment that would change or that would change the the applicable voter threshold for a local agency to adopt a tax. So you know as you'll you know probably remember you know doesn't necessarily is relevant for us but for cities as an example if they propose a tax that would provide general fund dollars that requires a 50% vote. If they're going to propose a special tax which would be for an identified purpose that requires a two-thirds vote if there was a future initiative that would impose something more than a majority vote two-thirds or any other voter threshold that initiative would be subject to the same voting threshold. So as an example if an initiative were to propose a new two-thirds voting threshold for voters on a tax it itself would have to pass by two-thirds of the voters statewide for it to take effect. That's interesting. This is you know was an important priority of CSTA and some of the other local organizations in part for basic fairness you know with the idea being that what's good for the underlying initiative you know should represent the same level of voter support but also you know most impressingly the board may remember there's an initiative on the November 2024 ballot to substantially restrict local agency's ability to impose future fees and taxes and for our purposes it would change the current reasonable cost standard for water rates to lowest cost. You know if ACA 13 is approved by the voters in March it will apply to that proposed initiative in November 2024 and raise the required voting threshold from 50 plus one to two-thirds. A lot more information to come but just wanted to make sure you were aware you may see some press. You know towards the end of the legislative cycle there was some discussion both from local government but also from some of the Howard Jarvis type folks. I'm happy to answer any questions. Thank you. Really interesting. Yeah we are well we're aware of it we've been I've been barraged on every email account I have about that last couple last week or so. Okay thank you on item seven administrative business. Yeah Emma and I are going to tag team this one because she wrote the memo I'll just say overarching we wanted to just bring it to your attention give you some options if you want to consider those tonight. But Emma you want to dive into a little more details. Sure so typically as you know we usually review these appointments in December but with Bruce Daniel Fleaving and Director Balboni on the board we currently have an opening on the public outreach committee and the finance and administrative services committee. So we run and I talked with Jennifer director Balboni and she is not able to just fill into Dr. Daniels seats. So that's why option one is proposed is for all of the directors to look at the appointments and make them tonight. And by doing so we don't have to review this item again in December like we usually do. And so when we're thinking about that we decided it would make sense to also present all the external committees as well. So if the board wants to take action on that tonight too they can and then we wouldn't have to review it again in December. But if you just want to look at the internal committees tonight and do the external ones in December that also works. So if is there anything that you want to add? I would just say there's a third option you know because if you're not prepared it's a it's kind of a big decision you have to think about your schedule. Usually the meetings are set but sometimes they get changed. But I guess another option is if you want to just us just to bring it back at the next meeting or a subsequent meeting we can do that too if you're not prepared tonight. That's always an option. Are there any comments? Well public comments? We'll get to public comment but do you have any specific questions? Okay public comment. Thank you Becky Steinbrunner. You know I have often wondered what the purpose of the standing committees is. I've attended many of them and usually there is more staff there than members of the public. And so I wonder how robust is the search for people and inclusiveness of people to be on these standing committees. But other than you know saying that you have them what I've never heard a standing committee recommendation come to your board. What is the purpose of the standing committees? Other people have asked me that too and I couldn't answer. So if you can just review the purpose the fundamental purpose of standing committees I think that would be very helpful for the public. Thank you. Well I went back and checked the dates you know the number of times these committees are meeting that Dr. Daniels was on the public outreach. It has two more meetings before the end of the year and the finance and administration services meets one more time and both of those have alternates. So I was seeing we they're not sure we really need an action on these things right now. It's a good prompt for they have the items for everybody to start thinking about what they'd like to do and how they'd like to participate. And regarding the committees my understanding of those are there it's an exchange of information, a sounding board. There's usually a couple of people who attend from the public who are interested and they want to learn more about what's going on with the district and they have you know they're actually chosen for their interest in a particular committee not they aren't randomly assigned to any committees. So it's more informal that's why there aren't any reported reports because no votes are taken it's and it's much more informal and that's the purpose of them is to provide a place where people can discuss and exchange information with the public and the public can make anybody who's really interested may give their opinions on or ask questions like you were asking. I'd like to add something is just you know my experience has been that some of the public members have really brought up some good ideas or pointed out information that was really helpful. So I would say that's a benefit in my eyes. Yeah they're not intended to be a board meeting. It's much more informal to facilitate an exchange of ideas. I was also going to just add you know whether we do it now or in December I mean if it would work if the scheduling is staying the way it is I mean I used to be on the public outreach committee I could do that and then allow space to be open on the water resources committee if I know director Balboni has attended those as a private citizen but if that was something she was interested in and could work that out that'd be I'd be okay with that switcheroo. I'd definitely be for all that and I also wanted to ask about the association of California water agencies ground water committee because director former director Daniels is not here and I'd be happy to sub for him on that. Yeah I may address that. In Josh you may help or Taj even I believe that committee you apply for it. Anybody can go though and the way it usually sits is the people that are on the committee sit at a table and then whoever wants to attend sits at the outer circle. We do sponsor or I think Scott's Valley does this year a consultant in Montgomery Associates and so they try to capture the essence of those meetings and share them with us verbally or in some fashion. But if you're interested I think there's a nomination period can anybody remember it's been so long there's a nomination period so the next time that comes up we can bring it up. I think the board I forget the process but we can get you going in that direction. Yeah and I think I'm going to guess that director Daniels was you know he'd done his PhD related to all of that so I'm sure that he felt like he could provide some input there. Yeah but there'll be an opportunity if you want to go down it starts the day before the actual usually on a Monday and you could you could actually sit and see see you know gauge your interest at that point it's very detailed I'll tell you that I've said it on a few. He did bring information on groundwater issues to the board after those meetings. Yeah but I attended a couple of them too very crowded and so sometimes you can't even hear um but once you got on the get on the committee much more of an opportunity for I'll investigate it and get back to you on a one-on-one and we'll let you know when that process is available and engage in it. Well any other so do you have any opinions on this my preference is zero one of the alternates. I lost anybody seen? Turned on that's why did you lose me? No I can hear you now. Oh okay sorry I wasn't turned on um yeah I'm fine I I was just looking at the next finance and admin services committee meeting and I'm good for that one so I think that's good I might also be interested in the aqua groundwater committee since I'm retiring from my day job I have more time but what was that? I'm retiring from my day job so I'm going to have more time to volunteer for Soquel Creek on committees so we may have to arm wrestle but I also will go at the meeting first and see if it's too dry for me I might so yeah but I think I heard Ron say that since it's close to December and there's not many meetings that the alternates could just fill in and I'm not sure I will be able to I still do have a day job so um if we want to have two people at the public outreach committee maybe we should fill that seat or have another option as well yeah and we and we can um you know get through a meeting or two with just one director um that's okay that's the other option yeah yeah I think I was the lone member on both of these committees at one point because Dr. Daniels couldn't I can't remember what the situation was he wasn't there he couldn't come okay and it worked fine because we had staff members and and more than just a couple of people at these okay participating from the public and all if I can attend I will okay um I don't even I'm not sure I even want to change the time at this point until next year right I wouldn't recommend doing that because often it yeah I think partially revolves around some of the public members too we should try to because we've had a hard time getting actually meeting I think we should just carry on as best we can and Tom you mentioned that you were willing to um was it the water resources management infrastructure committee yeah I mean if we're looking at if that's something somebody would like to be part of and I'm I I'm fine if someone wants to do that and then I I could probably do the public outreach committee if that's helpful but we can wait until December too I don't you know that's fine I think he's making that offer for you since you're part of that already as a part you were part of that as a public member right the water infrastructure water resources management infrastructure committee so basically I would still attend all the WRMI meetings but now I'd have a new role yes yeah I'm willing to do that sure it'd be fun I think it would be better if you went participated as a board member yeah one of the two exactly that's what I'm saying yeah no then just attend and Tom you said you're willing to get it the vacant seat for the next few months public outreach yeah public outreach that'd be good so we could make a motion or yeah sounds I think we could make a motion on that I'll make that motion okay that director Balmoney he replaced director LeHue in the water resources management infrastructure committee and that director LeHue take the vacant seat in the public outreach committee fine with me is that a second I'll second it okay um and I then think about these other other issues that that come up at the end of the meeting at the end of the year so that we could you know you'll be prepared okay all right can we have a vote director we didn't have do we want to say and public comment no there was yeah there was initially and and let me be clear because you're still the finance and administrative services that's open due to dr daniel so we're gonna address that come back at another time yeah well there's only one meeting at that okay I just want to make sure I think we shall and I can make the meeting is the alternate what was that Tom I was wondering if we shall was offering to just be the regular uh the second member on on the finance and administrative services committee yeah I can do it either way because I'm the alternate I would be there the next person anyway and then we could look at it in December if we want to make it perm meetings October 23rd and I'm pretty sure that you're going to the csda no oh no okay I'm not okay okay so leave it as the motion as is then for now it does the job okay okay director baloney yes vice president jaffee yes director lehu yes director latheur yes and president christensen yes okay onto uh that that is approved I think that's a that's a really good a stop gap until just think about it for the for the end of the year okay item 7.3 just to be clear so in December we'll the external committees will yeah we'll do the external committee and we might need to touch on the finance or did I miss something so we'll bring that back you need to do we need an alternate for finance and and rachel to be this one or okay however you want to do it we'll bring it back well I think we can bring all of it back in December okay we'll bring it all back and if you want to change it up again we'll that's with the whole idea what I'm back with the whole thing okay great yes makes sense because it's nice to see the whole pie right yes yeah okay item 7.3 approve the board attendance for the santa cruz area chamber of commerce community leadership visit which is october 11th and 12th today two-day obligation yeah I'll I'll touch on this and and president christensen I know you've attended some so you might want to yeah and it was very worthwhile comment on it so so what we have here is this is an annual event by the santa cruz area chamber which covers all the santa cruzion there's aptos chamber there's soquel capitol this is the larger of them and every year they do usually get on a bus and that's what'll happen this time and and go visit you usually a sister sister areas like napa we've done santa barbara to try to learn from them there's always a water resources stop this year it will be actually pure water soquel is their stop it's this one is to be more local just learn from the local folks there is a one-night stay at the the dream end I believe because they do like to get people together I mean I would say half of this is about learning from other agencies and then the other half is forming relationships with people throughout the community it's been very valuable what we did this year I think in order to get well we we reserved one spot and we reserved it under my name but it's open to anybody if the board would like to take that if the board would like to or up to two board members right Emma help me out with this we have a space and then and I get Melanie I don't think is available to attend and other managers weren't in that interested but I could attend with you or without you or even the the ultimate might be is to meet you at the bus getting on and just introduce you to some folks because you know I know that that group fairly well if you mean in case you might not know some of the people but the options out there for the board to consider whatever you like if none of the board members want to go I'll take up that role you know what the itineraries it's I haven't seen a full agenda yet yeah they let me let me if you got a link here I know it's local and the let me look and see there they pull it together so to me Santa Cruz Watsonville mccounty then day two is San Lorenzo Valley Scotts Valley city of Santa Cruz I'm not exactly sure where they're stopping we wanted to get it in why the discount rate was still applicable but in the past it's things like hearing about you know the housing challenges or homeless some of it's related some of it's not like I said there's always been a water stop on each of these they try to cross a couple of genres if you will I don't know what the details are this trip I think he's still trying to piece it together you have a date for that for the tour of the Pure Water Soquel Melanie? Yeah tentatively we're on the first day which is October 11th yeah so there's a lot of jostling to go on if I find out more I could present that but you're just asking for a motion to authorize board member if they are able to yeah and I'm behind that I see the value of being on a tour with with other leaders in our community and interacting yeah that's the I'll make the motion all we need public comment yeah okay but you can work you can work out the details yeah yeah I mean let us know I think there's a date in there to let us know by September 27th if you would if you want to attend and that'd be if you can let us know earlier that's great and then we can talk about whether you you know whether I should attend to you all right so I made the motion I seconded director Balboni yes vice president trappy yes director lehu yes director later yes and president christensen yes and and I would not be able to go just in case anybody was wondering well that's thank you I said anyway and I'm not able to go either yeah we're down down to two three right oh right no it was it was really that heard some really excellent talks on housing and and some really good water projects it was it was more than a couple days it was a couple days not it was still they choose the projects well too there's even a homeless you know a homeless you know a lot of about housing and it's really impressive okay item 7.4 uh this is an item called up I called for right Dr. Jaffe and there's a presentation of some data from 2013 it almost seems like a different era but the evaluate the analysis was was an interesting way of presenting it Bruce I think you should take this over yeah and I might say a few words before you oh no I would okay yeah so one of the things I maybe consider for tonight and just to throw in the mix of what you're thinking is in October the first or second meeting we will be having the rate consultant come and present some information so well whatever is requested of us by the board we'll have to decide whether staff can do it in house or whether we need the rate consultant but it may be unless you have specifics the what the first meeting the rate consultant does may help inform what you're looking for too that's what I'm trying to put out there so there's a couple options thank you so I don't know if this is the graphs are cryptic to the other board members a little I had to go down to the graphics instead of the tables because yeah me too I think I remembered that better but but it what I get out of it is from the from the graphics is how many of our customers are using water at different levels and that's critical to my thinking about how to set rates and I don't know looks like you've got one up there so when your single family by monthly use and this is in the x-axis is hundreds of cubic feet so that's roughly 750 gallons and the y-axis accumulative use so it zeroes at zero water use it's zero percent or close to it and then at the highest water use which is above 50 hcf it's at a hundred percent and so it's a cumulative use so um on this graph there's you can go to any level on the the y-axis and here it's um I think it's 34 percent and you can see where if you draw a line and where it intersects that curve shows what the water use is so within target here I think the target was 11 hcf and so 34 percent of people use 11 hcf or less and it's also done by percent of bills so that next the next one it's the same way since this cumulative use again it starts zero and goes up to 100 so 100 percent of the people if you go to the upper right corner um 100 of all bills use a cumulative use that's 100 percent zero percent at zero percent and but if you look at one again one of the horizontal lines here it's um 34 percent of the of the water again it's and so and percent of bills is up at at 61 percent where it hits the x-axis so with that that shows and it's labeled lowest 61 percent of bills use 34 percent of the water so there's a based on this curve you can see how many people how many bills are at what what level so there's a line also at 50 percent and this is this is winter and it it shows that um 50 percent 50 percent well in this case it's so the top 25 percent of the bills use 50 percent or more of the water so I the reason I'm I'm wanted to to look at these is because like Carlos said different error there are a lot of different things that have happened and I would like to see how this has changed with time and I think it'd be particularly interesting also to see what effect you know our last rate structure had although there's many different factors but if we looked at what the way you know what the use is and now and looked at what the use was before we enacted a different rate structure we might see some some uh relations that we could could help set the new rates so yeah no I thought it was an interesting graphic actually too but I wasn't sure how much work it was to put together not a lot of work it was done for free by Sioux Holt and basically all it is is taking the the tables there in here and graphing them so I forget Ron I had one thing that I I think the information that you're getting from this is valuable there might be a graphical way to present it that would be easier for me to get like I mean I do want to know what percent of the what you know like I like knowing what percentage of our customers are using you know ours are under the a given threshold or at different levels of water use I'm not sure this is the easiest way to graph it um or maybe I'm missing something but I mean I got it but it's yeah to me I'm not you're not used to looking at these yeah so maybe if we do end up doing something like this there could be you know of this and specific you know other graphs showing you know instead having it all on one graph with all the the data have that for those who want to see that the complete data but have um just specific questions like you know what how many customers you know use above a certain amount or right half the customers use this amount or less you could so there could be you know bullet points extracted or or graphicals um a graph that you know makes the points without getting into the details that you can pull off of these types of graphs but so what you're suggesting Ron is that yeah I mean first of all let this is it's we can I can find out the effort uh I will note that these are we were bimonthly when we did this and the and the rate structures changed twice so they're we'd have to cut things or multiply them or whatever that's not a big deal but um what I'm suggesting is might serve you the best and look is when we come back we're going to come back basically with the revenue needs and the financial plan at the next either our their first October me or the second I can't remember which and when you hear Raft tell us present then it won't be rate structure it'll just be revenue needs here's what we're we're we're looking at needing to expand and this is the hence our revenue needs and then how is that roughly translated into percentage of revenue needs not rate structure because it's they they can change depending on how you do the rate structure but at that time I you could maybe have a good interaction there's one way to go about it with the consultant because this is what they do saying this is what we're looking for he's aware of this memo I believe I've sent it to him but um this is what we're trying to understand and then they can talk about how how they might approach that and the level of effort that's just one way yeah that sounds like a reasonable way to proceed I did find another thing from Sue that was not as you know not a memo but actually uh Alex uh Alex Handler yeah had contributed to it as well and it was just you know not not as um as clean but I do believe Alex provided the data to sue on the yeah either either our office did or sue it was it took a little time I mean it wasn't just a back of the envelope calculation she she did a you know a good job and put some time into this so that's why I'm suggesting maybe let let Raf tell us come and Kevin present and then there's good we're hoping to present once in October November and December so at that early October meeting gives you time the second meeting is why then you're going to be most interested that sounds like a good plan it's not a good plan okay and and thank you for passing on him this memo and yeah and I'd say the the the big question I have is how's our water use changing or is it changing and then um what I'm there of or numbers like means because the mean doesn't doesn't tell the story I agree with that yeah because we want to know sometimes also how many customers are affected by exactly a particular decision we make with rates to me that's a really big one you know and so the one of the grass you looked at how much and and and how many customers would have their bills go up go down all that right and then that's you can get that directly from that that graph that shows percentage of bills at different levels we got it big items and I'll pass this on and we can tell them be prepared for this for discussion and then you can also ask other questions or provide other direction great you know it may be out of the scope I'm not sure you know it depends on what we ask and then there may be some associated costs but maybe you can ballpark it at that point make sure I'm sure there'll be costs but I'm sure they want they need to spend some time presenting rationale for certain rates and they know we're going to want to know about when they do these bids they know that we're going to want to know about how it's going to affect our customers in various ways right I'm sure any tier structure or if there is a tier structure that that would be presented this is how many would fall in X tier Y tier Z tier yeah so but I think you're looking at it from a little more global point to try to inform that decision exactly yeah now there may be more limitations on that since 218 progressed a little bit but he can inform us I'm well aware of that yeah it has to be a nexus yeah costs and and and what what is charged for the water but it would be interesting it would be something that we would want to know how how these how many people would be affected by it you know and I cannot hear you call moving into another rate yeah another rate structure or another different tiers yeah there'll be multiple times we'll be back in October I'll tell them this is your interest then we can ask those questions again is that sound appropriate and thank you for oh yeah yeah they threw me back you know I because I was author of the other memo going back 10 years and yes you were yeah yeah member ensue any comments from the public please thank you Becky Steinburner it threw me back in time too to see your name Mr. Duncan there with that conservation I went with my wonderful neighbor who has now passed away Michael Mills to a presentation of what I think was some of this information at the New Brighton Middle School and that was something when your district was presenting water budget present ideas it didn't go over well and I also remember the meeting about a moratorium at the seascape seascape lodge too I couldn't even get in so I have some questions about this I I think it's interesting information too although I know because we've all seen the water use numbers and information that since 2014 when there was a drought the usage never went back up and that's wonderful so we know that it's much different now on their much better water conservation facilities appliances and things and people's use has just changed for the better I have a question how they came up with on page 29 24,641 bills sent out I think I've seen a number much lower than that for your district so has that changed I also want to point out that the I did see I was forwarded your quick sips and talking about the rate advisory committee but there's no information about that on your website so I would like to see that put up there is is is Dr. Sue Holt still with us I mean she did a tremendous amount of work is she still with us would she be willing to do this again for the district for the benefit of the people I think it's worth asking and meld her information with ref tell us because she's got a good handle on things thank you I guess that's my my last question thank you you know cabrio colleges is coming up with a lot of you please be respectful and so your unit I'm the only one here but it's our time please thank you we appreciate you being right just watch cabrio colleges units there it's sizable thank you I think this is in the bailiwick of the rate the rate consultant you know they know what the structure is and what information we want I think that they'll be able they could come up with a cost estimate I would get it done and maybe yeah I'll prep them for this just standard maybe no big deal we'll do we'll find out yeah so and it's not not a big effort really yes but that was the last item um I there is I don't think we need a motion for this do we know no informational so uh let's say just by motion to direct staff so I don't think that's necessary we're going to ask some questions and you're going to ask questions and bring it back yeah yeah what I'll ask is um be prepared um well item seven point some point three here take my glasses off um what what level of effort would it be to mimic some of what was done before and uh with the cost associated with that would be and and if if there's another way to kind of derive to get at this that might be more insightful based on you wanting to know um where certain customer where customers fall in certain categories and there's a summer winter aspect of as you can see through Dr. Holt's work so I think I've got it but again if if we miss the mark in October really that comes into play in the second meeting when they're going to present rate structures and that sort of thing I'd also like to one of the things one of the assumptions was clearly an average because they're said that were two adult two and a half person per household that is definitely average for a customer base it is it is it's done by there's either there's a ton of one person apartment dwellers and homeowners and there's a large family so it's it really is a complicated well that data actually in that other informal memo was presented based on census for all the tracks in in our district and I can send that to you Ron and you can send it out okay yeah I can't remember back that far but that'd be awesome I just came across it today well that would be good because that is one of the big problems with trying to do water budgets and things like that the household of getting strict counts on occupying the household any other anything else before we adjourn okay that's thank you all thank you very much bye can't give it from that easily