 Basically what we are doing here now. This is final thoughts Evangelion so once we say the word Spoilers spoilers spoilers and normally a lot of people when they don't care about a show say yeah I don't care just spoiled the show for me In fact when it came to shoujo kakame utena Multiple people had asked me over the years to spoil the show and I refused to no and when Emily finally saw the show All the way through she thanked me for not spoiling it and all I want to say is that if you have not seen Neon Genesis Evangelion all the way through do not listen any further the show is so Incredibly worth your watching and if you're one of those people out there, and I know you exist right who has not watched the whole show Seriously given watched every single episode in order with your full attention or maybe you've never watched any of it And you have all the sorts of misgivings about it or if you saw it while you were a teenager Or a young 20-something Watch it again when you're older get the DVD box set the platinum DVD box like 30 box is stupidly cheap It comes with the entire TV series and for directors cut versions of episodes 21 through 24 I think right Watch the whole thing Again so for the first time and I don't care if you're one of those people who's like I don't like robots I don't give a shit Even if you hate it Eva you listen to us you watch it again you watch it four more times and you still hate it in The end that's fine. It's kind of like You can say I do not like Citizen Kane and Wall a lot of people will say wow you have some bad taste in movies at the same time You they can at least say but it is your opinion as long as you admit that Citizen Kane is an important movie a well-constructed movie An amazing movie. I mean like you might look at say I don't know the Sistine Chapel and say, you know, I'm not really feeling anything I'm just looking at it and I got no feelings coming in, you know, that's fine At you know, I don't like you different, you know different strokes and folks and all that business, right? But all that made me think of was the opening scene of the stupid Eva movie Well, maybe think of different strokes the TV show. Well one stroke for some folk, right all over some other folk To which my mom said What do you want? We don't need this business. So I keep that business out of here But uh, if you look at you can't say uh, Sistine Chapel sucks No, it's it's pretty much like the best ever and if you don't like it you're you're dumb Yes, but basically this is Final Thoughts Evangelion But I'm gonna have to clarify that because there is a lot to Evangelion We could probably just sit here and talk all night and not run out of things to say So we're basically gonna it's it's the one hour of thoughts about Evangelion. Yes So it is going to be however a Final Thoughts episode. We're going there nothing is sacred spoilers all over the place, but I want to say that this episode is almost more I would almost want to call it In defense of Evangelion. I don't think it needs defense. And why would you need to that's like well who needs to defend citizen kane? Well, the reason it needs to be defended is because Unlike citizen kane imagine if you went online And there were entire websites dedicated to people ranting about how much citizen kane sucks I think there might be let me search right now while you search for that because I see that with ava A lot of otherwise intelligent people will come up to me and try to tell me that ava is a terrible show And yet I've never heard a well-raised argument the top result for hate citizen kane, right? Is check here's a quote from it despite the fact that I can respect and appreciate its significance cinematic history based solely on Entertainment value. I hate citizen kane. Oh, that is exactly what opinion you were allowed to have exactly but I feel like the reason we don't need to defend Evangelion like scott said is because well like one of the lessons I've learned from both geki ga and haki The best defense is a strong offense. Yes We've already begun to make fun of the people who hate Evangelion and I can tell you we will not stop doing so So what especially I mean before my most recent viewing I might have said yeah, you know I know why people don't like the show It's sort of weird and tries to be existential and could be Interpreted as pretentious a lot of people don't like the heavy metaphor action I believe when we watch big o2 I said the words in the big o2 final thoughts this show did the end of ava better than ava You know what I retract that statement a hundred percent the final two episodes of ava are brilliant Yeah, if you're brilliant I watch ava again and now I say no no no no longer Am I gonna say I understand why people don't like the end of this? Well, I guess I do understand Yeah, your brain is broken. You're wrong. You're an idiot But basically yeah, you don't have no taste you have no tongue what this show is what we're going to do very specifically Is tell you everything we think even though we've already killed like a whole bunch of time not saying anything That's fine. Well, because this is it's this is one of those difficult. We are in very dangerous waters here We are treading deeper. That's okay because we brought a whole boatload of ammo Oh my god, you know what they'll listen to rim reason. That's right or in at field. No, they'll listen to reason You know, it's great. I'll here's my one fanboy moment reason wouldn't have done shit to even ava zero zero not at all All right, that's enough though. That's enough though. No, but what we're doing is we're talking about the show Shin seiki evangelion the agendas evangelical episodes one through 26 As you would see them if you buy the platinum collection pretty much as they were seen by people on tv and We're not going to talk about anything that is not TV in japan Yes, and the reason I say that is because There's a lot you can say about evangelical That is not able to be determined from the show You could only know these things if you saw the movies If you read the books listen to interviews with ono and all these things really color the show and we're not talking about that We could do a whole separate show on like interpretations of ava. We're not talking about how to interpret ava We were talking about what is in ava so thus At this point the sphere of longan news is going right through that spoiler line Once again, I beseech you if you have not seen evangelical and all the way through or you don't remember what it's about Or if you watched it and you kind of liked it, but you haven't watched it in a long time Do not listen any further come back after you have watched ava all the way through. Yeah, so that said ava Is a show about the end of the world and that might sound like a very trite thing to say I mean, yeah ava is the show where they kill everyone at the end and they're not kidding And there's a lot of shows about the end of the world think about how many right anime manga especially but sci-fi Things in general, right? Maybe they're a post apocalyptic and the world already ended and now it's the few people left over who are Still, you know, struggling to survive and you know make their way in a doomed land or maybe it's one of those shows where Okay, there's something horrible attacking and if the good guys lose it will be the end of the world But you know, it's just mostly a big fighting show sort of like, I don't know, uh, Project blue cheeky sos or something like that, right? Or it could be one of those shows Well, there's like the last question, you know science fiction that deals with these topics but Ava what it does it does something that has been done before it's not like ava is the only work of fiction to ever do this but The gravity of the situation and the gravity of what I mean It is the end of the world and the gravity is presented to you In such stark relief in this show. It is handled so well Well, because what most of those other shows do especially the ones that are you know, have the risk of end of world situation Is it's basically If something happens that barely anyone knows is happening then the world will end pretty much near instantly avangelion is Everyone pretty much the whole world knows it's coming. They know the chances of the world It's not one of those things where there's a chance the world could end It's like there's a chance it maybe could not end maybe but no it's probably gonna end Yes, let me think of this the characters in the show the characters. We are you know experiencing this world Through their eyes that these people miss out or change y'all They know that the world is ending. That's it. They're they're all happening. It's not happening quickly It's happening over the course of many many many days. They have a lot of time to think about and the whole world knows it too No, it's not like it's this big well. It's somewhat secret, but it's not super secret Well, it's kind of like early on in the show the world isn't 100 like they you know They know something's going on and but you know the moment God sent his angels to end the world And all nerve is is kind of humanity's last ditch like there's a tiny chance We might not all die. It's basically big monsters are coming out of the sky trying to destroy the world and The humans see them. It's kind of hard to hide a big giant monster And they're uh, they're using all of the science of man to try to fight it off And uh, they're barely making it now, of course part of what makes the show the gravity so powerful and makes the show so powerful Is that basically they don't win? I mean you've seen the end of ava A lot of people joke and say yeah, everyone dies, but no think about that It's not just a kill em all to me. Everyone dies everyone everything existence Everything ends it's over nothing exists. It's done. That's it. Think about that. Think about what that entails Well, the thing that really gets me is not so much that everyone dies at the end because there's a lot of shows Where everyone dies at the end. It's that or at least everyone you care about that. Yes, but it's not just that It's everyone. Yeah, but it's um It's that during the show, right the people in the world actually act as if It's the end of the world at least more so than anything else. I can think of any other You know story in any medium that you know comes to mind, right? I mean there's this town That's the one city even though it's a highly defensible city where all the or all the you know crazy monsters are attacking So people all move away from that city And then you know like the the u.n. Stop the humanity they use right and think about this, right? When you're in every day to day life even of the real world right now, right? You know governments around the world they make decisions about how many resources to allocate towards different things Do you play a game like civilization, right? You decide how many resources towards science? How many towards defense how many towards these different things, right? In this situation, you actually have the entire world Expending 100 percent of its resources to stop the pretty much Unstoppable end of the world because if it's really the end and it's really horrible monsters attacking and you don't have You know some mystical vultron that just comes out of nowhere for free You're gonna spend every single dollar every single person every single thing you've got for any chance that you can find and The world does that now at this point I mean we really I want to talk about because A concept and a plot alone are not what can make something great because as Neil Gaiman always says The idea is nothing everyone has ideas doing it is what matters Yeah, because people would always write to Neil Gaiman like I have this great idea for a story Do you want to write it with me? You know and Neil Gaiman's like listen your idea isn't worth anything everyone has a million ideas, right? The only thing that's worth anything is not just your ability to turn that idea into something great But actually doing it your actual labor You actually have to sit down do it and make it happen and making it happen And that is what's worth something but ava Does all of these things incredibly well and incredibly subtly and I think it is my honest opinion That most of the people who have such an intense dislike for evangelion Really honestly truly did not understand it and did not pay attention and really don't know what it was about I think that a big part of the evangelion that hurts a lot of people is that You know you really really really more so than a lot of other things I could think of Let's go the new tenor less than you have to pay attention With your conscious brain to every moment of it There are significant significant things where if you miss them You won't know what the hell's going on that will happen in like a second real quick Like someone will say something like oh such and such or something will be in like the corner of a frame And you know the the that shot will be on screen for maybe five seconds And if you didn't see it, you're missing something major in the show And when people talk about it later, you'll be like what the hell are they talking about? You have to pay attention to every single word and every single thing you see And even you know, I paid really close attention And there are even some things where I had to rewind a little bit because I know I missed something And if you don't do that I can understand why you wouldn't get the show or think it was so great because you didn't see it But even then no no no see because even then even if you don't understand all those kind of you know What was instrumentality and what exactly was happening? That's not the point of the show I mean that's I think that's what really trips people up that The show was a bait and switch it started as this monster of the week show got a bunch of people watching it And bit by bit that's all stripped away like an onion and then at the end you left with nothing And the last two episodes very literally Sit you down and say look None of that bullshit mattered at all Here's what this show was about And what it was about was brilliant and I think the way it was portrayed in the end was great And I think a lot of people just they didn't see the forest for the trees They saw that end and they didn't think about what that meant about solipsism about identity about psychoses about You know humanity They thought but what happened to the giant robots Yeah, because they were only understanding the show on a surface level and they were just you know And it's it's not hard to understand how you could enjoy the show on the surface level because the show is I mean You know people always talk about you know things being deep or things being shallow right and in reality at least according to me If you if something can only be enjoyed on the deep level But on the surface level it's crap or if something on the surface level is great But has no depth to it that's both crap good things are good from top to bottom An evangelical is good from top to bottom that surface level robot show that's in the beginning Right fighting the monsters is one of the best surface level robot shows ever easily But at the same time I think a lot of people they get hung up on very little details about the show Like they see something and like they really wonder about these things And they care so much about the minute kind of fanboy details of the show that as a result They can't see the wholeness of the work They get so zoomed in about what why did the guy in the back of sale say this As opposed to the other guy who said this many what exactly was the room of golf and oh my god Many many many shows and many books and many movies like to do a thing where they They they let you know that a secret exists They're like they'll say something you know that is um sort of or they'll present an enigma of some way Or they'll they'll show they'll show you something visually But not tell you or explain what it was you just saw in any way They just show you something and then you're left thinking what was that they showed it to me It must be something. What was it? You know as a check-offs gun of some kind and evangelical shows you more Stuff without explaining what it is right away then Think about how many things it's like three or four things so far where I've said it does it more than anything else Right evangelical is harder better faster stronger than all the rest in every way But at the same show has a lot of secrets basically the show does something really I mean Here's kind of the important part of what it is that makes Ava good a lot of shows that try to be deep The shows that people accuse of being pretentious Sometimes are and the reason they are is that they don't actually have a lot to say Or they can't say what they want to say well So they will hide behind layers of obscurity. They will make things obtuse on purpose And they'll like they'll flash things on screen that just confuse you and that there was no way you could have figured them out But I'll say this if you watch Ava and you're reasonably intelligent and you pay attention You and I mean pay attention to a reasonable level not even to the scott level if you never rewind back you just Watch the show with your attention You will get 95 of what happened and you will be able to understand the wholeness of the show I was incredibly surprised upon my most recent watching How many of the secrets are just plainly said exactly what the secret is they just come out and say it There was a whole episode where they basically tell you the past of everything Right where they show you you know all the adults and they were kids and everything and i'm like I totally forgot that episode even existed But the episode basically tells you Everything it just spells it out and spills the beans right there in plain English And I was left wondering like huh I wonder why people always thought that the show is so hard to figure out They're pretty much telling you everything they're even early episodes where they just come out with stuff like oh, yeah this by the way You know, I always thought the reveal of the you know avas being you know biological was in You know that later episode where avas zero one goes crazy It's episode two it's an episode two Episode two they revealed they're biological because the armor falls off of ava one's face and it's got like the crazy jaw in there All right speaking of that. I think we should talk a little bit about spelled out The the specific things like why we say this because I mean we can't go into every detail Someday I want to do a clip panel where I show these things because I went to this great lecture at Emily's school You know nyu a while ago and the the professor did a lecture about citizen kane And what he did is he would show like he'd say you know The show did this symbolism and then he would show you all the scenes where it was done Then he'd say It's poignant and relevant because they use these camera angles to do this effect And then he'd show you the scenes and he'd say and he'd pause it and say Look at that Look how the camera is on this scene, but it's focused on this character and not this character The focus of the lens is on this background character Why because of x y z and then he would back up all these points You could do a series of lectures on ava and I I'm going to say this I believe that ava is so well put together that it would handily stand up to that level of I guess dissection and that level of analysis by phd's in film easily easily It's not even like a context and I I would love to see someone like that Analyze ava that way partly because I don't think I have the time or the effort or the knowledge to pull it off But like what does ava do like I want to talk a little bit about sound Ava's soundtrack and well no that's soundtrack soundscape Is amazing Well because it's not just the music the music is very important notice how the music changes throughout the show There are themes in the show like the Happy misado theme the everyone's hanging out, you know, they stop using that one Songs appear they have like characters have light motifs and they come and go but A lot of those light motifs Disappear the tone of the show changes as it goes on And if you went through the show like there you can point out the exact moment I guess where the music died where the laughter died where you hear a song and see a scene And you could say definitively that music is never played again A scene like that never happens again. In fact, there's a point at which you can say There is not a single joke Nor is there a moment of levity of any kind from this point forward until the end of the show This was the last moment you could smile. This was the last joke. I mean early on in the show, right? It's you know, even though there's some weird stuff going on fighting aliens chance at the end of the world Weird stuff, right? There's some jokes. You've got misado getting drunk acting silly Also can Shinji bicker with each other and Shinji fighting with each other that episode where they do the music and they basically play ddr And that episode is directed by the guy who directed full metal alchemist, by the way Yes, and that episode and you can sort of tell but that episode stands out as being amazing and All these things the show Starts out with a like, you know 40 percent humor and then you know 60 percent everything else No, it's it's not humor fun. It's you know, it's it's sort of normal everyday anime kind of stuff going on Some of the time maybe 30 40 percent of the time even when poignant thing happen things happen There is a little bit of levity, you know, you know It's kind of the idea that the show builds up tension and then there is release and it builds up tension And then there's release But the show does something clever and I could point to a thousand examples of this where In the beginning the show builds up say five tension points And then eventually, you know, it drops it's kind of like opening parentheses and closing parentheses when you're writing code It'll open five then close two then open one more, but then it closes them all again You get release but as the show goes on It'll it'll start and like episodes will end without all the tension being released And then the next episode like more tension is introduced, but even less is released And there's a point at which they just stop releasing like seriously like Scott says that but no literally There's a point in the show at which there is no more release at all until the last until the last One minute and five seconds of the show give or take like up until that point There are like a six episodes fan where there is no release at all. Yeah, it's like oh fight a nasty robot Get freaked out. Oh, but now we're in school. All right. All right. It's cool. We're hanging in school Fighting nasty robot get freaked out not even be happy. I mean remember when Shinji stops He kills caro, you know the last the second to last the last angel, whatever He feels bad about it. He wins. He kills it the next you know the the next scene That you see is not hooray. We won. It's Shinji saying I should have died. It shouldn't have been him. I feel nothing the world is dead basically He starts they start carrying over the uh, you know the craziness of the previous episodes into the next one But like it's not just you know early on it's like, okay They carry over episode one into episode two, okay But then as you go on it is Monster of the week and the monster is only there for the week And then once they get rid of the monster, you know, it's like, okay All right, we beat that monster later in the show the monsters Are Ray gets injured she remains injured for a significant amount of time Shinji gets sucked into that weird other dimension. He's fucked up for like two episodes But it's not just that that's a good one. She's fucked up. She's fucked up for the entire rest of the show He's done But here's the thing the show like I was gonna say it's kind of cliche You know the monsters remain But no the monsters remain because they're in the heads of the characters But you've seen the end of the show and I think it's safe to say The monsters are the characters. Yeah, it's like the characters themselves are it and the show just Like, you know that scene where Shinji says I should have died not him and there's no release of the tension Even then what does Misato say? She doesn't say it's all right. She doesn't comfort Shinji She basically says no you were right to kill him And then he says that you're cold. You're a cold person And then it ends There's no release at all and the show starts getting Uncomfortable to watch and part of that uncomfortableness. I think is because As kind of the world is stripped away and as the show becomes more and more about the characters and their motivations because There's nothing left in the show You start to get uncomfortable because you identify with the characters and you don't want to because you hate them Well, you have to be uncomfortable in that kind of situation because You're in the city where the giant horrible aliens that no one understands are attacking this spot for some reason Right trying to and if they win it's the end of the world You're a very small group of people the only people who can possibly save the world And everyone else everyone, you know You know, which is pretty much the happy people that you know, we're somewhat normal at least all moved away There's no one there. You're all alone in this horrible base You know these horrible robots and machines and it's quiet and scary and mysterious and you know, you're just Waiting away the days until Either you lose in the world ends or you save it and then what you're fucked up from the experience But even then it's like it's it's even worse than waiting in the mall for the zombies to eat everybody Get back to the structure because again that idea is not new and not special in and of itself But Ava just does it so well because they make you feel like the people there I mean if you watch dawn of the dead, you know, I don't really feel so much like the people in the mall You know as much as maybe I could in Ava I think I feel worse but what it is is they force it on you in a very subtle way I mean the beginning of the show and watch Notice how background characters are rarely drawn in a generic style They're often the background characters you see in the beginning of the show are often unique characters Someone pointedly drew them all to be different to stand out as different And the show goes a long way for one to show that all of humanity is kind of working together But two it goes out of its way to show you all the side characters You see all like there's a scene where they're like putting together in an early episode One of the plugs to plug into an Ava for something And they show you like 60 or 70 engineers and scientists and workmen and laborers and janitors all over the place Working on this. You see all these people everywhere. You cut to the city. You see cars. You see people in shop The episode you know this is the important thing you overhear a lot of conversations of side characters people are talking speaking lines That totally goes away bit by bit and then you realize towards the end of the show that You haven't seen anyone at all But a very tiny subset of main characters for much of the end of the show Is the episode of the power goes out right and uh Gendo is there with all these engineers like you know turning cranks on everything to make everything work Because with all the manual backups and everything Later on it's basically like six people at a computer and there's no one else around Do they walk around this gigantic gigantic gigantic underground base and early in the show It'd be like they'd walk around the base and there'd be other people walking around the base Opening the doors up and down the escalators now. They're always alone in the elevator Whenever they're in an elevator if someone else comes in the elevator It's always another one of the characters you only ever see the characters everyone else is gone and even when People there are people who aren't the characters that come in You know the main characters that do come into play at that point in the show There's an episode where you know oska runs away and someone goes to and they uh like u n or some spy guys go and find her But notice how now these they don't show you that guy. They're all faceless They're if they have a voice the guy is completely off-screen you see his shadow and you only see oska And even the guys in sele they become sound only and you never see them again That i mean that is one of those brilliant things as to what makes ava like the subtlety that is there I mean look early on you know sele is not there when the sele got the old man Who by the way if you're if you're looking to read things into the show They're jewish now now just seriously think about that for a minute and think about judeo christian mythology But i'll get back to that later so But they meet via these video conferences and the way those scenes are put together are amazing But then as scott pointed out as all the character all the people who aren't the main characters all the excuses Every excuse the characters have to not face the monsters inside themselves to not face themselves To pretend that other people are around and therefore they can just keep living their lives They won't have to confront everything that they really are because there's no one left in the world There's that very pointed moment where you see sele again and there is no longer sele It is just big black monoliths sound only you stop seeing their faces and that's not just allegory It's not just color. It's not just this subtle shift toward alienation and toward forcing people who are alone to confront themselves It has very literal meaning as to what's going on at the end of the show. Yes sele are they what are they doing? Yeah, why is sele sound only they were holograms before what happened? It's because they went somewhere where they can only have sound and there's no cameras to you know make the holograms anymore Now if you pay attention to what's going on in the show, you know, this is going to be one of those They just tell you straight up where they went. Yes. Notice how they were creating the ava series It's obvious like it's really obvious That they are all In the ava series for whatever thing that is they're going to do at the end of the world Because remember, you know sele's talking about how oh they really want to finish this, you know Production series of of evas, you know yada yada yada And you know notice that if you ever have watched, you know, you're not going to know this because you're not talking about episode the alternate air Right, but um, yes, because remember They will now we'll talk about this watching the tv show They're piloting that production series. That's where they went. They're all inside avas elsewhere And that's why there's no holograms of them But along with that sense of alienation, you know, I'd mentioned the soundscape and then I left it But aside from the light motifs and the music and the wonderful use they use the way they use major minor or dissonant or augmented chords As their own kind of like like there are the light motifs, but within those songs these different chords Really jarringly like set the mood in different ways, but it's also the sound effects You know that sound of the cicadas that you hear people don't realize I didn't catch this until the most recent watching Right, but there was a second impact in the you know way back when right The second impact was this, you know, giant explosion in Antarctica Most people on earth think it was a you know, they tell them the story that it was a meteor that hit an article Yeah, but nerve knows that it was basically misado's dad who did that basically yeah um And you know Antarctica melted basically and there's you know, it's like global warming times a billion And it's always summer and the thing is when I watched it back in the day I sort of missed that fact that it was always summer. It's not it's it's easy to miss that But if you're a Japanese person, you know cicadas are big there in the summer So hearing cicadas all the time Constant reminder that it's summer constant reminder that you know, there's the worst global warming Antarctica melted There was a huge like, you know pre apocalypse many years ago. This is still always summer This is used to great effect. I mean they taught they mentioned briefly later the room of gulf Which is this old like Jewish Jewish mysticism thing and there's a lot of ways to read into it But it's the idea that in the heavens, I guess technically in like the six like one of the specific heavens that I don't know a lot about this stuff, but there's the idea that all souls originate from this place And the messiah the end of the world cannot come and will not come until that room is empty until the last soul Is born into the world and there's a separate myth part of that that The sounds of grasshoppers or the sounds of certain insects or the sounds of certain, but you know things in the environment Are the sound that you hear when souls come out of this room or in this room And the cicadas are used in this very subtle way to allude to that But they're also used as a light motif because you hear them in the background in certain kinds of scenes Usually to express alienation emptiness loneliness the fact that the world is empty and dying and there's nothing left Yeah And then there's more to it than that There are a lot of subtle little references where someone I think miss out of you know They say there's a very there's like a zero percent chance that this is going to succeed Or a very low chance that this thing will succeed And masato says Yeah, but there's a chance it'll snow tomorrow and if you didn't Remember or realize or think that it's summer all the time that it's never going to snow again That statement just sounds like yeah, and pigs will fly but it's actually there's a lot more to it And it's subtle and meaningful and it's really easy to miss that stuff But I don't want to you know go into every detail because I don't want to spend the whole show pointing them all out But the show is full of references like that Yeah, and because you know it's not I mean it's not the real world There aren't really giant aliens and robots and all sorts of crazy shit like that But it's other than that it's you know real human beings on earth in japan and tokyo number Whatever right tokyo three or four right? Because you know you can never get enough tokyo's Um And you know the things that they talk about are plain english It's not like loaded with proper nouns as much as you know say the prince of nothing is And it's real easy for you know things they say For you interpret them as per the real world because using real word real world words But really in that universe which you know they don't go and explain like all the details of the universe Like a lot of fantasy kind of books will do you know So you'll miss out that it actually means something different in that world because of the way things are and because of the situation They're in and if you didn't pay attention you don't get it and you think they said something else that they didn't say But uh i want to go back a little bit because scott mentioned the episode where the powers out and everyone's kind of scrapping together This episode has perhaps my favorite comedic moment in the entire show because you know We're talking about all the reasons the show was good and deep and like how well put together it is but The shallow parts are really well put together too. I mean the fight scenes are amazingly well choreographed and everything is great but That scene where you know, there's no air conditioning. It's hot. It's dark. There's no power Everyone's in the uniforms, you know doing their work And someone remarks that Yeah, we have to you know, it's hot and this sucks But we have to pull through look at them. Look how cool and collected they are it cuts up to you see Gendau and futziki Gendo's sitting there with his you know that pose that he always has and he looks totally cool and collected And he's not showing any discomfort at all and futziki's standing there and he's just like they're in charge. They're in command And it cuts very briefly to a back shot of them And you see that both of them are in their uniforms from the waist up But they totally have their pants off and their feet are in buckets of ice water Yeah, it's a it's just and or like uh when they get the the super sniper rifle to take out that early angel and Basically misado shows up at that research lab and she's like, yeah, we're here to take all your shit And then she says all right rey And rey just rips the roof off the off the stupid warehouse and reaches in and they don't show you any of this But she says now be careful. That's an incredibly delicate piece of machinery and you immediately hear Nothing but like 20 seconds of crashing and horrible destruction as she rips this thing out of the building And I just thought that was really funny. It is really funny and in the in the episode with the laser even right It's like the show is all about the gravity of everything You know, it's like we're giving you all the electricity in japan to fire this laser Literally literally and you know at first, you know, you can interpret that as sort of like a silly thing that happens in robot shows But in this show because it it's not presented at you know, like it's just the animation style of it alone Does a good enough job of you know, not making it seem like a messenger z You know, how much of that episode is dedicated to shots of thousands and thousands of people Doing work they cut to all the infrastructure the amazing like you step back and think How absolutely amazing and awe inspiring it would be For humans to pull something like that off the sheer number of people the man hours the effort and the fact that it barely works and it The show does such a good job of expressing to you the gravity of the situation and it does this time and time again And it uses amazing just like shots and sounds and techniques to like convey it in every possible way to where you can't miss it And in the power the power goes out episode again, you know, everything has a manual backup It's so like perfect every, you know, every single, you know You look around a lot of mecha design right and a lot of mecha design has lots and lots of little crazy details all over it You know like little hatches and doors and things like that right and ava The mechanical design has some of that going on But really actually all those little details, you know, usually you'll see like a robot have like a million things all over And most of them are just decoration and ava all the million things everywhere All right, it's actually stuff that you can sort of if you sat there you can be like Oh, that's that and that's that and you know, they actually draw the stuff like it's going to be used and it is used Yep, I mean the it's the difference between Gundam seed and the fire the low and greens and they basically just throw in proper nouns and they make them self consistent But it doesn't really matter But in ava All these details that they present to you are self consistent and matter on at least a shallow level But in many cases on a much deeper level too on a metaphorical level not just mecha design but characters too Yeah, uh, uh, there's just there's so much there. I mean I could spend forever talking about specific scenes that like really moved me Like I think the scene this scene every time I see it it gives me gives me chills There are two scenes more so than anything in the show that just like I get a chill when I see them And one I really want to mention is just remember the angel that actually gets into the command center Shinji doesn't want to pilot the robot. It breaks down the wall Misato is standing there face to face with this angel It is about to kill her it is about to kill everyone the world is going to end it is over And shinji who didn't want to fight suddenly finds the will after that again Amazing conversation with kaji and the watermelons and I could go on and on about kaji and his watermelons. Oh my god And kaji is like one of the best parts of the show period But the scene where it breaks in and the angel this alien thing lumbers forward and looks them in the eye And my shot misato looks it in the eye And especially knowing what she went through as a child and what she is and why she's the way she is And the the amount of hate that is in her heart for these angels And just that whole scene and the music and the sounds and everything Is amazing and I literally like I get a chill every time I see that scene. I think it's beautiful No Yeah, you have any ava scenes ava scenes Like equally equally big equal chill Is when the ava goes berserk near the end of the show and everyone finds out what it is as it Eats that angel and incorporates the s2 engine into itself. Yeah, that's a pretty difficult scene Yes, but the partly because the sounds the ava like the sounds the ava makes are some of like they're disturbed They're really disturbing. They really really get under your skin and they're frightening and they set the scene so well One of the things that always gets me is the you know, the there's the episode where shingy sort of um He gets sent to like the uh, what's it called like the other dimension. What the fuck they call it Oh, oh, oh, yes the uh, sure堆 rock space Are you guys he is stuck in a sea of dorac Right, and then he comes back and like you can't get out of the robot He's stuck in there and they're like, uh, he's not in there Uh, yeah, it's just his suit floating in the in. Oh, I gotta talk about I can't not talk about the what's it lhc Lcl lcl god damn it. This is another example of people This is an example of pay the fuck attention, right? The whole show is about lcl lcl is the show Lcl is the show if you don't realize that lcl is the show you weren't paying attention, right? All right, so lcl is basically i'm just gonna tell it to you straight in case you weren't paying attention, right? And you've watched the show recently lcl when they get in the in the ava right the suit fills up with this yellow goop Right and then somehow they can breathe in it and it works It's also the reason the avas work, right lcl is basically like this chemical that is like You know how metal conducts electricity well lcl conducts souls basically and it's a cross between like i mean metaphorically and literally in the show and i mean that specific metaphorically and on the surface level It's like a cross between primordial soup and amniotic fluid Yep, and if you don't notice when you when they're walking around nerve and there's different doors that they open and things You'll see stuff like lcl pool this way lcl factory and they show you scenes We're like mrs. Reach the co was clearly working with the lcl. She was diving in it Yeah, and you look down, um, you know in uh I guess that's in the movie But no in terminal dogma you see this at the at the bottom bottom bottom, right in the Bottomist terminal dog Where adam? Oh, i'm sorry. Lilith. Yeah is crucified adam slash. Lilith is stuck on the cross with or without the lancy belonging news, right? That's it just the whole thing is just this endless sea of lcl That's what they make all of it. Look at it. All right the It is crucified there lcl is coming out of it Yep, where do you think they're getting the lcl and here's one more this is from the movie But I can't not say it right at the end of the movie It's famous because at the part where everyone dies Everyone sort of it just explodes right like boom, but it's not just they explode. They're not exploding. They're basically Turning into lcl. They're not exploding with blood everywhere. They're floating into yellow goo literally literally It is they are lcl because we are lcl So that's how the the human instrumentality project which you know combining all human beings into one being Lcl is the mechanism for that everyone turns into lcl And there's a giant pool of yellow goop Literally giant pool of yellow goop and everyone's soul is transmitted in the yellow goop one pool Now we're all one soul. We're one giant primordial ooze. That's it. That's it's literally that it's not that's not some metaphor That's what it is. Everyone turns in the yellow goop It's a big pool of yellow goop But anyway, uh, let's save until the very end of the show because we can give a very concise explanation Yellow goo didn't get it. Oh, you know what happened because I think it's pretty obvious But it warrants discussion but the scene you were talking about because that is a very powerful scene Oh, right. Oh, I completely forgot Where are you stuck in the sea of dirac and then they can't get him out and then there's all this whole thing where it's like You know, yeah, there was someone else that we tried to get out and it totally didn't work And that was Shinji's mom and whatnot and you know, whatever and then like at the end of that episode he like pops out And then the episode's over and it's like, ah And it's not that the popping out that gets you it's the episode over right away It's a lot like that episode of escaflowne where the robot's bleeding and then over right away at the episode Plus that scene is so I mean the show does a really good job of having characters express real raw Painful to watch emotion I mean the way misato reacts to Shinji reappearing and the way she reacts to the fact that she thought he was gone That is some powerful stuff and even more powerful The scene still to this day gets to me when misato Finds out that kaji is dead And just the way and how and not not just That how she finds out and that she finds out and not just The last words in that answering machine because I choke up When the first time I saw eva and then she listens to the answering machine again over and over Those words, you know, I'll say the words. I should have said you wait I'll admit the first time I saw the show. I cried really hard at that scene But there's another thing you might miss is uh when he you know the the pill that goes on there Yes, and they reference that multiple times but anyway That scene is so powerful and it's not just her reaction and how visceral it is but the fact that it's also so important to the show because She you're watching the show you feel like shit. You feel terrible. You're incredibly You it's awkward and difficult to watch someone in the depths of so much anguish and despair And yet so that they're they're not even you know, they're acting totally whack like a person does But at the same time now it cuts to shinji and he hears this And there's that scene where he oh he sees he opens his door And he sees her there and he hears her And he's like you now you are him you identify with him you are observing this And he cannot deal with it any better than you can and he does not go to say anything And he just he turns away from it and he he can't even muster any Amounts of sympathy like he can't do anything for her. He's so separate and cut off from her and that scene Really that scene kind of encapsulates everything that Ava is really about Yeah, well, I mean a lot of shows, you know more shallow shows, you know And that's what they are is more shallow shows, right? It's people have predictable, you know, simple emotional responsive things Someone dies. We all cry, you know, we win We all cheer and some shows really manipulate like full mental alchemist when they killed a certain character Really just manipulated you and milked it But it didn't really mean that much in the in the wider scheme of the show It was just a sad scene to make you feel bad But the thing is in the real world with real people, you know Emotions aren't that simple people are fucked the fuck up and they do weird shit And they act in completely irrational and screwed up ways And you know, it things are a lot more complex than that I just think Ava does, you know having the you know only like, you know a range of like, you know Six different distinct emotions and then each one, you know, like worried angry, you know, sad No, things are a lot weirder than that and Ava actually, you know I guess people in Ava are a little more crazy, but it's the end of the world What do you expect see at the same time though? They really aren't in a lot of ways because They really kind of encapsulate the fundamental ideas and problems that all humans face the thing is Because I mean humans can deal with these problems much like in the show Notice how people the characters are dealing with these problems partly because there are a lot of other people around As the show goes on there aren't as many people around which means there is less There are less places they can go to hide from their own emotions There are less ways people can distract themselves from what's going on inside of themselves Yeah, no one's making, uh, you know tv shows at the end of the world You know, I mean, I think there's a tv show that's on sort of earlier in the show You can see on some of the screens, but later on You know what she's got like is Walkman that's that's about it Notice how he listens to the same couple of songs over and over and over again And they really use that that the these the scene the idea that he'll just keep looping the tape Over and over and over again. It's just like one of his final refuges from himself Yeah, but any I mean the point of all this is that the show does not just have all these amazing ideas And all these really well put together thoughts, but that it expresses them in an incredibly deep And well put together way and that the show from a technical perspective and from a kind of look at it Like how does it present its message? Is beautiful and amazing and I can't imagine Someone like just not getting it or not feeling it or not Understanding the emotion and how well it's put together. Yeah, and that's not even counting the fact that you know The animation quality was a million times better than anything else at the time and the animation stands up even today Things today, you know the sound quality was better than things everything about the production of it Was better than the vast majority of anime productions discounting only things like satoshi kahn miyazaki movies akira, etc but of course The real and I don't want to talk about this forever because we've gone on for a while and Partly I just I want to express that you know without having to worry about spoilers How good of a show I think this is now meaningful it is but What was the show really about because remember this show very famously Starts out as a robot show does 24 episodes sits you down and says all right Not going to show you what happened doesn't matter Here's what I want you and I really honestly i'll say this again I just a few hours ago watched the last two episodes of shinsei ki evangelion again I watched them a few weeks ago pre-packed so I don't have them as quite as clear in the mind But they're they're clear enough People who say those episodes were a cop out or who say that you know the show it was just a total You know cop out they could have done it better You're wrong It is my opinion that you're wrong those episodes I'm honestly going to say this and they're not pretentious They're brilliant. Well first of all right My memory before rewatching the show was that those episodes were like, you know The show is normal and then suddenly existential and weird. That's not true at all The show gradually led into that very very well You know they have that whole part where it's like you'll see like a vertical line Squiggling and someone will talk then a horizontal squiggly line and someone else will talk Then like the square and someone else will talk or the whole analogy where shingy is free. What is freedom? Oh, I have full freedom. I don't know what to do. You go back, you know to episode, you know 15 and forward they do all that schtick more and more and more as the show goes on You know this less and less just watching what's happening and more and more of that weird stuff And then at the end they just do full on weird. Well, plus the pace of the show gets more and more frantic Escaflonate did this very well too and then towards the end of the show Like the focus narrows and the focus narrows not just as a show but In the character's minds in your minds and everywhere and it gets up to this feverish pay feverish pace of We are fighting the angels because we don't want the end of the world to happen and then At the end of the 24th episode They you know, they did it. They did it. They stopped the last angel It's over. They won Now what and you realize that the show's focus has narrowed and everyone, you know, what's asga's deal? I'm nothing without ava. What's shingy. I'm nothing Corollary. I'm nothing without ava Every everyone in the show the only characters left There was nothing left for them But ava but fighting but fighting the angels early on in the show They these people actually have a lot going on, you know in their lives, you know, they got school They got, you know work. They got stuff, you know, go, you know, they're going out to dinner You know all kinds of stuff later in the show. They got nothing except saving the world That's it. And think about the time whenever you see a character if they're not actively, you know, fighting an angel off They're sitting around going I'm bored But no the the technical aspect of this the reason this works and the reason I say The end is not a cop out but brilliant is that there was really no other way to end that show and it follows Right along with the previous episodes It's basically the show did end in episode 24 the plot ended and the show had gotten you to the point where There was no more plot. There was no more possibility of plot There was no more possibility of moving forward for any character in that show or for the show or for you as a viewer And thus you think What now and I think the show did such a beautiful job of doing that I mean, I don't want to sit and you know go step by step through the last two episodes, but It's brilliant. They just sit the characters down and ask them. Why did you do this? We have come this far. You saved the world Why and they would say why and then they would ask the same question very socratic, you know Why do you pilot ava? Because I want to why do you pilot ava? Because I want to why do you pilot pilot ava? Because because people tell me to why do you pilot ava? I don't know and it's like all these characters being forced To I to realize what they are because humans lie to themselves all the time And I've seen very little literature movies books films anything That does such a good job of driving that point into your head So well and so subtly and yet at the same time It's subtle, but it's not it's subtle and that most people watching you don't realize what it's trying to make you admit What it's really trying to make the characters admit, but at the same time it's being very blunt about it What do you want? I don't know. What do you want? I don't know. What do you want? I know, but I won't admit it What do you want the greatest part that I think is the beginning of episode 26? I believe if I remember correctly They're like he pretty much comes out and says in plain English. All right. Look I wish I had the exact subtitles to just read out loud He's like we want to explore this idea and answer this question, right? But we don't have time to answer this question for all the characters So we're just gonna look at Shinji. It's he just says that that's what the narrator says that at the beginning episode 26 Yes, and people are confused about what the episode is about He just told you in plain English. Oh my gosh And then they do it and then the show is over and I mean really the show deals with a lot of fundamental philosophical issues and you know What what am I and you think you know What are you what think ask yourself this question? What are you and this you know all the ideas of solipsism and what is the soul and what is the mind and what What am I and what are other people and what do I exist for and These are questions that a lot of people don't deal with very well They avoid when they think about and and the show ava Does an incredibly good job. I think of addressing these issues in an intellectual and philosophical way And also in a clever and accessible way Hmm, I think the show says what it says incredibly well Oh here here. I found the script online real quick. You ready? This is what the narrator says the beginning of episode 26 already if this isn't plain English and not weird I don't know what is It was 2016 ad That's not hard to understand the thing that people lost in other words the complication the Complimentation of the mind has begun Instrumentality, right? However, there is not enough time to describe the entire process We've only got like a 20 minute episode here We can't show you every single soul on all of earth combining into one pile of yellow goop Now at the same time for anyone who says those episodes are crap cop outs because of no budget Watching those episodes again. I want to point out that wall all this is going on He shows you misado dead shot She was shot and she is dead It shows ritsuko shot dead and then it immediately shows ritsuko and misado talking to each other Yep, then wait. I'm not done yet Therefore we will examine the Complementation right the instrumentality of the mind of a single boy named Ikari Shinji So what he's telling you here is it it couldn't be more plain Every mind on earth combined into one Which was the instrumentality project right so that's that's six billion plus I don't know how many people were alive in the year 2016 when the room of golf was empty, right? Every single soul and all of the entire earth went through an experience of combining into one Right and in order to tell the complete story We would have to tell you all six or seven billion stories of every single thing that all those souls felt and went through But we can't do that 20 minute tv show and look at all the like glimpses that it gives you Yep, so we're just going to show you what happened to shinji during this process And that way you'll get a better understanding of it because you know what if we actually just had a camera looking at the world All you would see was a big pile of yellow goop that you saw in the movies And you don't know anything that's going on because there's no characters. It's a big pile of yellow slime But I mean and look like they give you glimpses like that that amazing scene and the amazing voice acting where misado You know Yeah, the whole idea of the hedgehog's dilemma and the at field and then you know In the near the end of the show when you find out what the at field really is you know the boundary Between people the reason we have the hedgehog's dilemma the fact that Solipsistically no human being can ever share truly what they are with other human beings all that blah blah blah blah Misato it shows misado desperately not wanting other people to see what was really in her heart and just horrified and afraid and crying and screaming because shinji and kenji and fuge ski and And every single person in the world her father are seeing Everything that she is there are no secrets. It's kind of like a god looking down on a two-dimensional world I mean think about that think about what instrumentality is the whole show Is people unable to deal with each other people who because they cannot share The solipsistic nature of their own heart and soul with other people are fundamentally isolated from each other by the at field By humanity by the fact that we are individual souls The fact that everyone in the world now has no secrets and everyone is one soul and nothing is sacred nothing is hidden That is frightening and horrifying and that is what people are going through in the end of aviva That is kind of the literal truth of what is happening Instrumentality succeeded. There it goes. Yeah, I mean you have these people who are so emotionally fucked up because they won't even like You know talk to each other openly and honestly because they don't want anyone to know what they're really like on the inside So they're all putting on a show, you know asuka's putting on a show You know being all strong and cool, but really she's not she's crying about her You know bitch mom and whatnot, but she acts all happy and bratty all the time and you know That the whole show is just all the characters act like that But then it's actually literal there's actually this field and we actually destroy all those fields And now you have to ha ha ha and people and you know one of the I could go on forever about like what the end of ava means and solipsism and humanity but The criticism I hear most about the end of evangelical is people will say it's pretentious It's a cop out and it doesn't say anything that hasn't said before and you know what? Very little that has ever been written or shown Says something that no one's ever said before You don't tell me that your gur in lagon or your cowboy bebop said something unique and special But ava's just saying things people said before I mean think about pretty much every idea that there is to have was thought of by you know philosophers in greece and such a Lot anyway that argument is bullshit. Yeah, but second to that The argument the unstated argument the beggin question is that ava does not say it well And you know what i'm not gonna mince words You're wrong ava says this more eloquently than most have and more Repetitively it says everything it says multiple times and it says it with such artistic grace and with such style and I got to admit I will put the end of ava and when I say the end I mean The clapping the suddenly the notice how the music in the background slowly fades in and it's you know the opening theme Cruel angels thesis. It's a piano version, right? Yes, but it is that theme and you know the lyrics You've seen that opener 26 times man that you know that song is a song I've heard a billion times in my life like a billion right and they play it all the time at anime conventions And social nights and all sorts of things right and you know it's a good song But I got tired of it after a while and it didn't really have anything for me right when I started watching the show again I would actually watch the opener Because you know, it's a good song, you know, and even though I heard it a million times and it was getting a little old That song fucking pumps you the fuck up It's like oh shit and the thing is cruel angels thesis. Watch out. This is a beautiful example of the show Making a point Very very artistically. I think those last few minutes of the last episode of ava Are some of the most well constructed and subtle moments in any show I've ever seen and I will say I think the end of ava where the glass cracks and that music plays and ever, you know, I'm at a toe I'm at a toe. Thank you Is right up there with the end of cowboy b-bop. It's it's amazing Absolutely amazing and think about all that's going on there. Shinji He is brought to a head and the moment he's brought to a head He starts to talk he starts to take form and all the things that you see all the imagery The imagery is very important and means a lot And then the music starts playing and the music is the opening scene The the music that you heard at the beginning of the show the very first thing about ava that opening theme You know the lyrics at this point And now they're playing an instrumental version of the song But they're playing it in a different manner from for the instrumental version notice how Despite the fact that the song is scary. There's a lot of major chords It's a fairly upbeat melody And now you hear that and but when you see the opening, you know the opener It's set with this very very disturbing imagery and the lyrics Are very very deep and not at all what you expect from this upbeat song But then Now that you know what the show was saying you know what it's about and you hear this in the background Just before that glass cracks The lyrics take on a whole different meaning And the show does that thing of it doesn't play the lyrics for you It doesn't beat it and show you the lyrics and make you say see what the lyrics are saying It plays the song quietly in the background and you yourself Think back and remember the song And you remember young ball who shines brighter than anyone else rise to become a legend And everything that that song was really about And then that glass cracks and once again the first time I saw that I got choked up That is an amazing thing about just the name of the song right cruel angels Thesis that that's what the show is cruel angels and then a thesis boom. How could you be right come on? Well, I think I had more analysis than that. Yeah, what you gonna do what you gonna do. That's right I'm gonna say all my analysis. That's right, but I I mean Basically, I'll put it this way. I hear a lot of people talk a lot of hate about evangelical I have never seen anyone put forth what I would consider An intelligence and backed up arguments. Yeah, what is like what do people say? They're like, uh, it was Redentious, uh, they don't actually have any specific Arguments to back that up. They'll just be like they'll say something vague Right, like, oh, it was trying to say all this stuff, but it was just uh confusing and weird Oh, it was just a crazy guy. Oh, it was just this They don't actually specifically point out what you see this in the show Was, you know bad for this in this reason because if you actually looked at the show It's all good. It's not anything bad. You can say now Well, maybe they saw it's not perfect. No, it's not perfect, but nothing's perfect But I'll say this If you listen to this and it and you disagree with us and it's been a while since you've seen ava watch it again watch ava again because I feel a lot more positively about the show having watched it again Partly because seeing it when you're young I guess maturity makes the show make a lot more sense Being older being wiser having lived longer Makes the show a lot more poignant because you've lived a lot You'll watch the show when you're 14, and I'm not like that Robots awesome when you're 25 when you're 35, you know, you look back On your life while you're watching the show and you realize that While you can't identify with everything these kids do You can identify to a very very strong degree with a lot of the ideas that Are presented in this show And a lot of the darkness and a lot of the feelings that the characters express and the ideas and The show is incredibly poignant and amazing and if you Watch ava again and you still think it's a bad show I defy you to argue that point at all Yeah Who I who has actually tried to say I mean some people have said they don't like it or whatever They think it's you know way overhyped or something like that and you know One I think you're wrong Well, the show does you know the show a lot of ways You know, it's just a lot of people who are fans of it because they're fans of you know, like Oscar and rey hentai the biggest argument I hear against ava is arguments against fanboys about ava not arguments against ava Arguments against fanboys and their interpretations. Yeah forget interpretations. Look at cinematography Look at soundtrack. Look at message. Look at artistry. The show is so amazingly put together I think this there is a whole phenomenon of people who their opinion They can't separate their opinion of a work of art from the opinion of that work of art of others So it's like they have, you know cowabeebop, but now suddenly cowabeebop is popular So it's no longer cool or there's evangelical Well, if it was just me and evangelical and no one else in the world I would love it but you know what because this is a million perverted fanboys who want to see naked rey I don't like evangelical anymore Well, that's that's that's uh, it's a bad way to be because you're missing out I'm gonna state my opinion absolutely unambiguously and uh, are you all you will I feel that shinsaiki evangelical stands out among Art and among works of fiction and among television shows It stands apart as one of the greater television shows ever made straight up without any reservation or qualifications Yeah, what what guy try to think of a better tv show. It's it's it's gonna be rough. You could argue cowboy bebop. It's close And I'm you know, I'm we're sticking to anime examples because it's wednesday. We're talking about anime Yeah, but even if I try to think of non-anime tv shows that are better just in any genre Anyway, just overall quality score on that level like in terms of artistry in terms of how well it's put together I put ava the show in the same league as like the godfather, which I think is one of the most perfect movies ever made It's definitely like number one or two movies is the godfather number one easily. Um, yeah, I can't I can't think of a single show We're deep in this lcl. We're out here in these dangerous waters. I defy you But us really I don't think you can Yeah, and even if You hate all that shit. How could you not like robots punching aliens in the face? Uh, if no because the one thing that ava does not do that big o does so much better If there was ever a show that exemplified robots punching robots in the face or nay Anything punching anything in any capacity big o Is number one it is the king of the genre of something punching something Yeah, that that i'm not saying it isn't but i'm saying ava has plenty of punches to satisfy the punch lekkers The punch fan Oh, and if you wanted to listen to this show expecting us to explain What ava was about we could we kind of did a little bit. Yeah, but I mean it goes pretty straight forwards I think it's all pretty obvious. I'm not good. We're not going to all you had to do to know what ava's about Is to actually try to figure out What the characters want mostly mostly what the bigger more secretive characters want very simply Look at the show and think What is gendo after What is sale after they're obviously after something they're not just doing all this stuff for no reason All right, what is kaji after? Why did sale do what they did? Why is sale at odds with gendo? What did they do? Why yeah, why did gendo? Why did gendo not want the spear to be there? Why was he at odds with sale ben vice versa? It's all pretty straightforward And maybe someday we'll do a little like special like a 10 minute Here's exactly what happened and what ava was about but the show's not about that This show is about why ava is great. And you know what? 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