 Hello and welcome to a real conversation between two native English speakers. I am Adam Navas and I am here with Liz Wade. Hello Liz. Hello Adam. Today we are talking about the program 10 ways to fight hate, create, and alternative. This is the sixth program in a series of 10 programs and we thought it would be worth stopping for a second and telling you what all those 10 programs are. So program one is act. No program number two is join. Oh join forces. Join force is correct. Program number three is support the victim. Speak. Speak up. Educate. Educate yourself. Then there's this program, create an alternative. Now we're getting into some some ones we haven't done yet. So pressure oh we're doing all of them. Leaders. Yes pressure leaders. Yes. That's seven. Number eight is stay engaged. Stay engaged. Yes it used to be yeah okay it used to be a different one. Yeah nine is teach acceptance. Yep. And then number ten is dig. Dig deeper. Deeper. Yes. So that is a wonderful series of programs. Can I just say a second I love how because this is a series these 10 these 10 ways are actually from the Southern Poverty Law Center. We didn't make up these 10 things. Right. But I love how they have broken it down into all of these different steps instead of just saying like you know what you should really do something in your community to fight hate. Yeah. I love how they have broken it down into like different categories and different steps because then you can say well maybe I'm not so good at speaking up but I can organize an event to create an alternative or I can act by you know helping in this way or whatever. I love that. Exactly. That is that is a great point because sometimes the idea of hate or a movement or a group of hate for one person can feel very overwhelming but if you listen to the full series I know you'll find some that you think I don't know if I'm not real comfortable with that but you'll definitely find one that maybe you are and so today's might be that one. Right. So let's talk about creating an alternative. Well I was just going to say first that if you have not listened to that program. Oh yeah. You can find it on our website as you follow you can follow along there with the script as well at www.spotlightenglish.com. You can find it wherever you get your podcasts and you can listen to it that way or you can also find it on YouTube as a classic program with music behind or a version with no music and you can listen to it that way or if you are a little bit a little bit advanced in your English speaking you can listen to the advanced version. 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Hate is a really hard thing because I don't think anybody feels I think people sometimes feel scared nobody experiences themselves as hating someone they feel justified and you know right so sometimes there are people who get together and want to protest something that they don't like now I know not everybody around the world is able to do that but if you live in a country where you're allowed to gather together and make signs and and protest something you you know what we're talking about and sometimes these even though you might think that they might be protesting we call them a hate group if right in the United States at least we have the freedom to speak and the freedom the right to assemble and that can be problematic and this program starts talking starts with talking about that and so what do you do so if you don't if you let's say you and I we hear about something a group of people who says you know what we don't like trying to think of a good example we don't like I know it's really terrible to think of these examples I know let's say we don't I'm going to make it very silly almost we don't like people who wear hats you know there's a group we know really be a hate group I know we hate people someone like like intolerance is like something that people can't change right like you can take your hat off sure sure but you can't change your skin color or right you know those sorts of things so we we don't like people anyway let's just say like that there's a hate group in our area who are who are like they're gonna have they're gonna get together at a local city building and they're going to protest right what are we gonna do are we gonna go to that because that can bring more attention to it right and that's actually like I think people's first idea right yeah it's your inclination it's like oh if they're gonna be at city the city building yeah then I'm gonna go there with my good signs and I'm gonna say like um or you know like you should love people or yeah you're going to counter protest so you have your protest of the protest yeah so and that which go ahead yeah I was gonna say like and when you're dealing with like when you're dealing with hate also like feelings are very high right feelings are very intense because um usually if somebody feels about this strongly enough to go protest and say give up their time their energy like this group of people yeah um they feel very strongly and they have they have lots of feelings but if you are feeling that you're defending those people you also have very strong feelings and so everybody at that rally whether they're hating or protesting hate everyone there has a lot of very strong feelings that yeah can what we say here's a here's a good idiom boil over yeah as if there's like a pot of water that is getting heated and heated and heated and the bubbles start coming up and up and up and if it's if it's too hot if it gets too hot um it can actually the water boils over the side of the pot right and then you have a mess a mess and um maybe even something that happened that was dangerous so um that's a good way if you have two groups that are protesting um opposite things yeah those protests can get very violent like you said and then you know news news organizations might come and just you know report on on the violence or report on the the hate rally stuff like that yeah so what's recommended like it's I think we are we're coming to the point to say it's not always an effective way of changing someone's mind right you want to let the world know that you know that that is not important and we want to we want to show we want to be strong and be like no there's more of us against it but research shows it's not necessarily a great way it actually helps sometimes can help the the the hate group so that's where it brings us to this program and the recommendation of create an alternative alternative means a different choice oh I was just gonna say because I think like it's important to say like you know you want to go protest it but then what do you do what do you do with that good energy good that's a great I love that phrase good energy what do you do when you feel those big feelings you're like no that's not right then you create an alternative so you can do this in a couple different ways the program talks about let me see if I can find it this is a great story I don't know if you remember it I do and I think it's from I mean it's from quite a while ago right 2003 but yeah we don't have hate anymore Liz so this really isn't a problem no what I what I love about this story is actually what is so sad about this story if you do you mind if I tell it go ahead yeah okay so there was this community in Maine and there was a lot of Somali immigrants that moved to this community and we have immigrants moving everywhere today right there's a lot of climate change that's affecting where people live war that people are trying to escape we have refugees and immigrants moving all over the world right now and with that comes a lot of anti-immigrant ideas right and so the the bad part of this bringing up this story or having this story in here is that this story is still applicable we still have you know the bad feelings about immigrants and but we can still learn from this story good things to do right okay so this this community had a lot of Somali immigrants and they were they were inviting more family to live there and the mayor basically sent a letter that said uh hey Somali immigrants stop inviting people here we don't want any more immigrants here which is terrible right um and so uh there was I think there was a group that planned on uh was they planned on protesting like immigration like Somali immigrants right there because some people some people read the letter and they were like yeah we agree yeah and they were they were gonna go out there and have a rally have a public event where they showed that they agreed with what the mayor said um and so but then there were other people who were like no no no we're gonna create an alternative and they called it the many and one coalition so they reached out to like-minded people and um what was great about it is uh they they knew they believed that the community would show up more for their event than for this hate rally and they did you know in the even in the program more than 4 000 people right attended the event and this event wasn't like a like a protest or a rally it was an um a celebration of diversity right so they had like um like different foods and um and uh like I think speakers and just an event where they celebrated the diversity of their community right and um just really showed support for immigrants immigrants in that area right yeah which I think is really cool um you know that's and they and they invited like you said different people from the community like students and faith organizations and um other like-minded people um you know you can gather those people from anywhere yeah no I think that's and you can learn from people and you know the more I interact with people who are different than me I realize that I decide who's different from me right like right like I think some of the thing about going to a an event where that celebrates differences you realize like oh I made that difference and yes people eat different foods and and and look different and some people have hair and some don't and whatever but you realize oh we all function basically the same way have the same needs um and so that's what we yeah we all need love and we all need to contribute to our communities and we all want to take care of our families um and it really is that sense of um fear that you're gonna lose something that that leads to to hate right I think and so the more we can kind of focus on love and trust and uh realize that we're all the same I think the less we're going to feel that we need to yeah act out of fear and hate this is the one um so far in this series that I have felt is the most difficult for me personally to do okay um because I feel like it takes a special sort of person to um to organize an event okay so I might go to this event but I feel like this is the this is the hardest for me to say like for speaking up I think you know in in that conversation we talked about well what if your your aunt says this thing that you're uncomfortable with yeah and you know you can you can speak up in that situation or you can you can act or you can um you know support a person one on one but having a big event I feel like is very difficult for me but again uh going back to what I said earlier in this conversation this is why I think it's so important that the Southern Poverty Law Center has separated these out into different things right because each of us have our own gifts um you know I might have uh the gift of caring for people around me um and another person might have the gift of organizing big events yeah being a leader in that way and so I really think um and you know when we get to the whole series I think it's really going to be easy to see which ones you can really help with and which ones you can support yeah or even if you know somebody be like oh this person would be great at creating an alternative and I will help them right you don't you don't have to say well I I don't have to do that you can say well I'm gonna show up for that even though I'm I don't I'm not gonna plan food for a 200 people or yeah something that would take for that uh like I am um I mean I probably could do this but that's there's a lot of planning right like getting permits maybe or you know making sure there's enough food or flyers or whatever um but I still think like this is a really important kind of a way to support or to uh fight hate this is an important way to fight hate and um yeah it's important for every person to be able to find what way is best for them and I think this is an important one because it's not intuitive right it's one of those things like you you you want to react in one way but you have to pause mm-hmm touch that part of that like okay I'm gonna be an adult I'm gonna do this right thing and then even though it doesn't it doesn't like oh it would feel good to you know punch that person no that's not what we're trying to do yeah that is true like sometimes you feel like oh I wish like I could just you know do something yeah like just to release those emotions but um um yeah it is the it is the better thing to do even if it's not immediately yeah yeah immediately releasing emotion well uh we are so thankful that you've watched this conversation I hope you have understood most of it um you can find us you well you can find out the rest of this programs on YouTube we have a playlist on that and I think on our website um yeah but also check out our Facebook page you can follow us on Twitter and uh like and subscribe I'm sure you have already by this point um then all those things 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