 Okay, so we're calling the meeting order at 10.15. I won't just pen right. I see. I hope somebody brought us the pen so that I can bring the next few notes. I have one pen. What? I brought a pen. And a water bottle. It's an amazing day. Yeah. All right, I've printed out notes from last time. Oh, shh. No, I only printed one of these. I only printed one. I have my notes from last time. I have my notes. And you've got your notes on there. From when Rick and I met with the road crew. I have to say that was a really good thing that we did is to meet with the road crew to go over the budget. I think they were really, and they were all there. John Stafford was out sick, but it took a while, but then they really got into it. Yeah, they're really. That's great. Yeah. They're thinking about that now too, and hell. Yeah, I mean, that's so. What a great opportunity for them to be thinking about the budget. Well, it was really good. And we actually sat down with all of them. And everybody, like I said, yeah, but they were, and that was really productive, I think, and engaged. I think that's great. Yeah, and Dana can't work anymore until the beginning of the year, because he's used up all his time for, you know, maxing something out. Right. Social security. Yeah, if he goes over 19,000, like $200, you wind up every two hours you earn, you have to give the dollar back. Right. So that's what he's at. Right. Working for half a pay doesn't work. And Peter has somebody in mind, potentially, that might come on as a temporary or whatever, but we don't know yet. Have you ever posted that? I mean, I would really love for us to post it. We should post it. Post it. Yeah, we should. So I really think we're gonna get snow again in a while. I know. Well, I don't know about that, but we are gonna tell you what, we're gonna get plenty of ice, which just works. Right. If it stays like this, blood and ice, that scares me. We talk about needing somebody here, but we haven't, and everybody, people who are close to the process and system know we need somebody, we haven't posted it, and the last thing we need is, you know, we need to do it the way we do everything else, writing that we, you know, pick the favorite. Right. So Rick, are you, who's gonna get that posting out? Denise, can you do that one? Yeah. I don't have time to do that from work. Okay. Yeah. So, the sooner we get it out, the sooner we can, you know. Right. What would we want to? I think it's just short, you know. Yeah. I mean, there's no, Well, we could have it for a couple of weeks and let it be. No, I mean, the ads. Oh yeah, the ads are short. Yeah. We can do it on front porch forum, hard work, is that? The, the, you try our clothes, basically. I don't think we need to do seven days. I don't think we need to do seven days. And I might see if I can get people in, I know people in surrounding towns, maybe they can post it on their front porch forums or us. Uh-huh. You know, cause this would just be a temporary. Right. As needed kind of thing. So. Okay. All right, great. So Denise, you won't, and Denise and Rick, you guys wanna walk us down through where we are? Yeah. I didn't make any of the changes that we talked about. And we should get, well, at some point we may wanna do that. I guess that's all. Not a town truck, it went by. Yeah, sounds like it. The old sanding. Oh, old sanding. Yeah, I'm sure they are today. They don't need to sand. Well. They're my, I don't think we need to sand them. What we had to do yesterday, we had to, there was a Fairmont farm, we had to, there was ice on a hill, but their trucks were getting stuck on County Road. There was, there's a little frost in places. Yeah, there's a little ice in places. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's supposed to, we might get a little mixed freezing rain here shortly. I've been watching the letters. Yeah, I know my road, because we're up higher, there's patches of ice. Yeah. But then you get down by the pond, and down further, and it's just, you know, squishy stuff. So anyways, we talked about, went through the budget line by line. We did not talk about salaries or benefits. Okay. We put numbers in for, I'm sorry, at the top. We put numbers in for general government last time. Right, I thought we were, I thought we were gonna go through the road budget now. I don't know, is that what we're gonna do? I thought that you asked us out. All right, there were the other places that we had questions. Who are they? Asking Jeremy for numbers. Has anybody done that? Are you gonna do that? Yeah, okay. I'm gonna do that. Wendy is on vacation, and she's out next week, so I'm not gonna be able to get anything from her. We're missing a bunch of actual data for the, you know, like the equipment maintenance on various pieces of equipment. I know there's work that's been done on some of these. Yeah, she just sent me, and I'll forward it to you so you can see it, I'll forward it to everybody, but fill in where we're at with the highway numbers, because some of the numbers that were here, the guys were like, well, yeah, but we had a bunch of work done. Why is that number so low? So we need to look at the highway reconciliation to see where we're at. Okay, let's help them. John, one thing we, starting at equipment hired. No, I don't recall that yet. I'm still logging in back ahead. At equipment hired, you know, we had down in FY 22, we spent 20,000. We budgeted 10 for this fiscal year that we're in, and we've only spent 700, I was saying $99. So we dropped that down to 2,500 because we didn't, the guys didn't really see a need for that because they've been doing more stuff themselves. You know, they had to rent some equipment. So equipment hired. The equipment used to rent a chipper. Wait, so you guys have numbers, you will literally have numbers in your, so for equipment hired, that line, you have 2,500 for FY 22? Yeah, 2,500. We took out the roadside mowing line. I mean, we have to leave it in, but we're not gonna budget anything for that, right, Rick? No, what we're gonna try to do is budget for the track. It was not under equipment, that tractor. Okay. Right, but the actual. We don't need a separate budget item for roadside mowing, the crew was just doing it. Right, so the equipment line item, what we do need is an equipment line item, right, the mower, because that's what, I think they were probably putting those expenses under that, you know, so I'm adding that, I'm the mowing tractor to New Holland to. Right, we got 5,000 for roadside mowing, parentheses, equipment, not the actual, because we used to hire somebody to do it. Now it's just the roadside mowing equipment. So that's who we hired, that's who we said we hired. What would you guess it would be to, you know, to, they said that mower is a rough shape, and so it needs bushings and it needs hydraulic lines. Could you have a ballpark? Well, it's always gonna be significantly less than buying new equipment. Oh yeah, it's 100, we're gonna have 100 grand. You know, this is. I'm just saying. The conversations we had with Alfred, Alfred said, we need to buy a new 130, $40,000 piece of equipment. And I said, why? And he said, well, hydraulic lines are on, and I said, they're cold. And I said, well, you've replaced a bunch already, how many more are there? And he said, you know, he didn't have a number, and I said, there's a bunch. And I said, well, you know, what's that gonna cost, $2,000, $1,500? And you said they actually can make up their own. They kind of. They got a machine that fit on them. Yeah, they've got a crimper and yeah, motionless. I didn't even know how to do it. But if they went to, you know. You said somebody in Woodbury, well, I'm talking about the hydraulic lines. Oh, okay. So Alfred said, well, I'm not doing that. So it's. Why wouldn't he? I mean, it's kind of, I don't know if we paid him differently when he does something he wants to do, as opposed to he doesn't, he's no longer a root commissioner, but so it's the hydraulic lines. And then he went from that impossibility argument to, well, the bushings are shot. And I said, you put new bushings, that's what it was. You do, right? You pop the old ones out. Yeah. And so my suggestion was that we can reach out to the Morse's over there. Okay, that's, that's. That was the name of the bus. Oh, it's Worcester. I thought it was Woodbury. Where would you? It's Worcester. Oh, okay. Do you know them? It's Tim and Sid Morse. They have a welding shop. They're geniuses. They could, they could build, they could fabricate a tractor from pile of scrap. So they, so we could take it over there and they could have it through the wind. Yeah, we could leave it. Yeah. You know, it was funny because when we had that conversation as well, we're done for the season. And data comes by Mozart, bro. She said Tim and Sid Morse. Tim and Sid Morse. Do you have a phone number? Yeah. Yeah. Cause that could be one of. Just don't leave it there with all the mower attachments and the hydraulic arm. So it's Worcester or Woodbury? It's Worcester. It's. I got it right now. I could drop it off or they could drop it, let's see. I was just trying to, I was trying to, I don't know what that's kind of, I was, did that stuff myself. So I don't know what that cost to have done. Well, we budgeted $5,000. I don't know. $3,000, $4,000. We put in $5,000, $5,000 would be, I don't know, that would buy them a dinner too. Yeah. Okay. $223,000, $4,907,000. $4,907,000. Yeah, $802,000, $223,000, $4,907,000. Okay, good. Thanks. Tim Morse. Sometimes you gotta keep trying. They don't know what your telephone calls are. But if you let them know or I can do it, that we'll just leave all the equipment with them through the winter that we did. Right, and let's do it at its time. Peter Bachman has them, he works them. They work on all his equipment. Oh really, okay. They fabricated equipment for the farm. That's good. I mean, they're amazing, actually. I mean, if we can get, I mean, you can re-bush them, it tightens everything up. And what else is there? Yeah, there's, well, there's no forever. Right, the metalwork can get messy on them, but that's patchable. You just make on them. Well, you can fix all that. Right. Whatever you want. You can make it up like, if the mower head is all wrinkled, you want it to look pretty, you can add new steel on the side, make it nice and make it stronger than new. Well, and you can bring it. We'd just be interested in keeping it safe and structurally good, you know? That's all we, we don't. Okay, so is that enough about? That's enough on that, that helps. Okay, miscellaneous. We had a discussion about this, like we budgeted 3,000 in the previous fiscal year, spent 8,700, budgeted 5,000 this year and we've only spent like 180. And none of us could figure out or remember what, what goes under miscellaneous. And that's one of the questions that I've got to ask Wendy. What, what is she putting under miscellaneous that? Well, right. Show what, you know, what does miscellaneous mean? Well, for us miscellaneous, budgeting miscellaneous would have been miscellaneous and we didn't know. Right. But it looks like there's a difference in what used to get bucketed in miscellaneous and maybe there's just some more, maybe Wendy's doing more precise allocation. Right. And so some of these line items in this fiscal year might be higher than what we budgeted but the miscellaneous is gonna be less. Right. Gravel, we only spent like 22 so far. And Peter had an interesting idea that we... First, do we come up with a number for miscellaneous? No, we didn't. I don't have a number. I think we were gonna try to get the detail on what. So we don't have a number for there yet. I'm guessing that they threw some signs or something that ran over or anything. No, because there's some roads, there's a road sign. I know there is, but I'm wondering if we ran over on it one year or something a week ago. But that doesn't mean you wouldn't put it still under road signs. Okay, we're outside. Right? So Gravel, Peter had an interesting idea and he was gonna check with, is it, what company is it, Cargill? Yeah, they... About... No, no, no, you mean before Gravel, we have a page and we've got the Gravel, I mean, he was gonna check with the Gravel page. He thought we could buy that bolt. Pre-buy. Yeah, or pre-buy. I'm gonna go grab my phone so I can have it. Significantly less. Okay. Yeah, well, and Peter suggested that we pre-buy it and then they could just have it delivered as needed. It's kind of like we do for salt and sandy event. And he thought there was a pretty significant cost savings here. So we'll see. Right, because he said the price is only gonna go up, right? Right, but we're budgeting 80,000 to start. And one of the things they're looking at doing on this is... We didn't put a, did we put a monetary dollar amount in that line? I don't have anything. Oh, you have 80,000, yeah. 80? Gravel? Yeah. And then, you know, the sand, we put 60 in. 65, 65, and we said we might be able to, because we've got an excess of sand this year, so we could probably cut that back if we have to. So we have to note on that. But what do we, the, they're looking, you know, we're really talking about trying to get into a program for additive, you know, a revolving program for roads, for replenishing gravel. Yeah, so that, yeah, that's Peter had suggested that we have some kind of a system where they have a... 10 year cycle or something. Yeah, a five year or 10 year cycle, is that... Yeah, most towns, most competent towns do that. They, you know, because you're losing up to three-quarters of an inch of gravel a year on any gravel road, that's the... You guys would be amazed at how much Peter knows. Oh, and John, yeah, those guys were very... I mean, they all are really, really good. It was... John's a Rhodes Scholar, you know, through... Through the program. Through the program, which is three-quarters of, just an ending line. Okay. Like we did this. Like that. Yep. So anyway, so we budgeted 65,000 for sand, which is what we had last year, or this year. And we budgeted 8,000 for culverts and bridges. 8,500, I have. Oh, I had 8,85. Yeah, 85 is what we put in there. I don't think... We could probably go candidate if we have to. Yeah, that was one of the things, right? We don't... That's a moving target. We have to be a little careful with that, because depending on the call and inventory, you know, we're gonna be... You know, we might have to be doing... Let me get caught up. Where are you guys on? Okay, so miscellaneous, we don't have an over yet. Yeah. For gravel, we have 80. Sand, we have 65,000. Bridges and culverts, 8,500. And pavement, crack, and seal, we put at 17,000. We just did, what was it? Let me make sure I got it right. About 80,000 gravel, 65 sand, 85 bridges, 8,500. For culverts. Bridges and culverts. And pavement, crack, seal, 17. 17, okay. Because we just did a road by the school, right? We did, but the crack sealing we need to do... County road. Off, whenever crack, well, but any of them, if any crack, you know, as soon as you get cracks up here. Right, that's nice. And you do it. And you do it if it's annual, it's annual. It's usually, since they're new, probably it might be every other year. That is really cheap insurance, and that really prolongs the life of the pavement. The erosion stone we put in 4,000, which is what we have budgeted this year. And are these all pretty solid, because you developed... Yeah, we're kind of working back up this year. I mean, what we don't know is the inflationary. Of the crew, right? And this is what they suggested, yeah. Yeah, we talked kind of in detail about what we'd be doing. I mean, what we don't know is the inflationary impacts. You know, we're kind of, Yeah, nobody knows what the inflationary is. Right, so road salt, we put in 18,000, which is what we have this year. And magic salt, we put in zero. That didn't seem to work out very well on the county road. We did it for the county road. Is that the one with molasses? Yeah, well, they treat it, yeah, you sprit, yeah. Didn't work out very good. I think we probably earned this. I don't, we're probably not applying it right. We should be probably doing liquids not, but we're not really set up. Albert described liquid when he described it to us. Yeah, I thought it was a liquid. Well, they tell me they were spraying it onto the coastal. Well, and also. It's not, it's a liquid that they spray on. You can do it either way. But didn't they say they didn't also have the right equipment? Yeah, no, that's why they were spraying it. Can you do this? So we put a zero. Let's just not do it right now until we can. Chloride we put in 15,000, which is what we did this year. Roadside, road signs, like in FY 22, we budgeted three and spent almost 12. They say we've been having very bad theft problems, like our continuing. Yeah, hard. We had all the same signs, like the Ridge and Butterfly, or whatever it is. Dragonfly, Dragonfly. Martin Road gets stolen regularly. Dooger Brook, yeah. Martin Road? Martin, yeah. Dooger Brook. Yeah. The Lightning Ridge and Tucker Road signs gone. Yeah, again. Yeah, they, they, and they said, I think they gave a, they said the number of signs were, I mean, ours hasn't recently, and you know, in the past several years it's gone. It's anything that's a person's name. I should not guess. They weren't even supposed to name roads with people's name, like my road, Bing's only road. They were, when they were doing this, way back when, oh, what's his name, Cassidy, and who else was it? Maybe Psy were going around naming the roads. It was like, and they didn't want to be by our road. I don't know if there's some, we may be able to have some kind of specialized bolts that you know, that you can't unlock, as a matter of, like they do on bathrooms also. So people can't unscrew hardware and tech. Well they were, they were, I think grinding the heads off and putting grease on them. Yeah, they were. They were never seizing, they were still getting them off. Well never seizing is the best thing, because you know, that stains. Oh, you can't get that off. You can't get that off in there, and it's kind of material. You put that in a car or in a car. Yeah, they were. I guarantee, that's gotta be permanent. That's what we always did in Addison County, and that's a great work, and we really came to it. What did you put on it? It's called Never Seize. It's a type of grease that goes onto nuts and bolts that, you know, you apply that to the threads, tighten it up. Five years later, you can spin it right now. They don't rust off. They, that grease is good, but it's got this little bit of powder mixed with it. You just can't get it on there. It is, it's miserable. But I know it. It's just. Oh, it steams your hands. Yeah. So they're gonna touch their steering wheel, they're gonna mess up their. Oh, and any cloth or, yeah. So that's what we're at. So that's what we're at. Yeah, so we put in eight, and we should have our patrol too. Right, we put it in there. We really pull it up and pick it up. We put in 8,000 bits, take it off. 8,000? Yeah. Okay. You know, and we told the guys all these numbers are subject to change depending on our bottom line. You know, can I, before we jump off of that, I mean, since the cost on that is fairly significant, you know, for about, you know, 50 bucks, you can actually buy just a game camera. We could, I wonder if it's worth. Yeah. But one of these things that are getting stolen with any regularity, is that we're sticking a camera getting. Well, wait and see. Cause they just. They'll get stolen too. Yeah. Well, not if you hide them. Not if you hide them. Well, don't they feed back to a computer? So you have to go and get the chip. But that, I don't know, it's just a thought. I gotta go do it. I don't know if that's worth. I think they're just gonna steal the sign in the camera. We actually did that at the college to some pretty good effect. You would have to find the camera, but. Yeah. I think right now, I feel like we're going to. I like the idea of the bolts. Oh, you have bigger tips. I like that. Right. You know, I think the never sees thing is the best idea. Okay, guard rails we put back in. We put in the same amount, 1500 line striping. We've spent 6,900 already, this fiscal year. And we didn't, we didn't budget anything. No, but you have to, the thermoplastics that they lay when they lay a row, the asphalt, they are good for five or six years. Then when you come back and re-stripe, I mean, those are really gone in six months. They often have to be repainted twice a year, depending on the plow. Yeah. They plow right off. Yeah. The thermoplastics, they actually mess lightly and they're much more rugged. But you, they don't. We don't do that. No. So we're gonna do this again next year. Is that 7,000? No, we're doing three. Okay. 3,000. It just, Because why? They seem to think that was okay. Okay. Because they didn't budget anything. We're turning them up with a number because we didn't really budget anything for this year, but we've spent 6,900. So why is three the right number if we spent seven? I don't think, I think we ought to put in seven. They were suggesting that, but. You think seven? It only makes sense if they say, well, yeah, we did this row this year, but we're not gonna do it next year. Right. And they're just saying, no, you do it twice a year. Well, it's not, well, we're, I don't know what our where is on these roads. You know, County Road gets enough traffic. I do know what it was for the state. You know, we have, most of the state roads are paved. So it experienced with this. You know, we would have to do those every year. And usually we're looking, they're looking a lot busier. All the, all the markings, like the cost markings are gone by, yeah, they're gone by spring. We got a road shank ride to that. Yeah. Okay. So let's put in a 7,000 for that. Equipment, we found out that we should take the 2009 international dump truck. That's gone. Yeah. Look at your list. Let me read. I've, I've updated that list. And let me, can I read down the list when it should be? So we've got the 1997 grader, Caterpillar, we got the 1997 John Deere grader. We've got the 2002 Econoline trailer. And that, that's, Is that the one that's in poor shape? No. No, no, no, no. This is a different one. Yeah. And then we've got the 2009 international dump. That's retired down. So I kept that line out. Retired or gone? It's gone. I call it, when I say retired it's gone. But we still have the line item in here because we're looking back. What did we trade that for? I don't know. I don't remember. But we, we can't completely take it off because the numbers have to stay on for three years. But we didn't budget anything because it's gone. Maybe we traded that to the Fasen truck. We bought that to the Fasen truck. What about the Caterpillar loader? Yeah, that's still on. Yeah. Did I miss that one? Hold on. Okay, no, wait a minute. Let me keep going down. Wait a minute. The Econoline now we've got the two, we have the 2014 Western Star 10th of February. Well, we still have this year. That's the spare green truck. Right? You're in a different order than this R and L. Yeah, Caterpillar. No, I've had to add a few in this. So no. Oh, I saw you. Okay, so after the Econoline, well, let's do the Caterpillar loader. We still have that. No, you're, you're getting out of yourself. The Western Star is before that. Okay, so what is it? 2014 Western Star 10th Wheeler. And that's hyphen, you know, that's our spare green truck. That's the green one compared to all red ones. Peter loves that truck. So that's what we just got. Yeah. Yeah. And that's not on the list. No, it's not. So I don't have any numbers on that one yet in this spreadsheet. The 2010 Caterpillar loaders next, the 2014 Volvo Excavator. Now we have the 2015 Ford dump truck, which has been retired. That's gone. But there's the 2016 Ford dump truck is still there. That's this next one. Now we have a 2016 West Star dump six wheel. No, we have a 2016 Ford pickup. We don't have it. This is a sick West, this is a dump. This is a, no, we got rid of the Ford dump. No, we, we went through all those with that. No, he said, they said we had this. We got rid of the Ford dump and we replaced it with that international thing that we're gonna get rid of. That's what he said, that we got rid of this one. Well, 2015 is retired. Rick said it's 2016 Ford dump. It's a 2016 Ford pickup. He said it's a 2016 West Star dump. They said, they said we still have the Ford. I misunderstood. So do we have the Ford dump still? No. No, we don't have the Ford dump. That's gone. The 2015 Ford dump is gone. Well, we do have the 2016 Ford dump. Think about what we have. What did you say about the West? You qualify the West Star, 2016 West Star dump by saying it's something. Six wheel. All right. That's our small. Is that the one Ogden's driving? Yeah, that's the one Ogden's driving. No, Ogden drives the, he drives the Ford. We still have the, Wait a minute, let me go over. The six wheel. We saw the six wheel. Okay. So in 2017 West Star dump, 10 wheel. 2019 West Star dump, 10 wheel. And 2019 international one ton. That's the one that can't, Ogden drives now. And then we're trying to replace that we've ordered. And which will be delivered in the spring. No, that's not the one coming in now. That's the. Right, I have down Ogden's truck needs to be replaced, which is the 2019 international. That's the next one in line. It's the 2023. So you got the 2019 international one ton to be retired. I'm trying to add the qualifiers, the one ton. And then the 2019 one ton. And put in grants that's to be retired. We're trading that. We're in the air. The 2019 international. Well, we'll go away, but it'll, We're not trading it. Hang on guys. Yeah, I'm sure we will. I want to write down what you're saying. The 2019 West Star is getting traded or the international? No, the international. And the international, that's the one ton. One ton. Right now. Well, we had to have, it was so urgent it was the best thing ever made in a year. And then, okay, then you said there was one more you wanted to add that we're getting. Yeah, hold on. I'm gonna, I just lost my spot. So I'm sorry, guys. That's right. Now, the 2023 Western Star Dump 10 Wheeler, which is the one that's being delivered anytime now. That's, okay, that's the new one. West Star Dump 10 Wheeler. Dump and that's a 10 Wheeler. Yeah. And then. No, wait, wait, wait, wait. That's one of these three is a 10 Wheeler. I thought we were getting another one ton. No, we're getting a one ton too. That was an addition. Yeah, that comes in the spring. So I need to add another one ton here. Yeah, I'm gonna tell you. Let's get them one at a time. 2023 West Star Dump 10 Wheeler, okay. I got that, yeah. 2022 Ford F600 is what that new, that new one will be. And it's the one that will be delivered until spring sometimes that will have a fiscal impact. And it will still be in 2022 even though it's delivered in the spring. I think it's a 20 ton, I put that number in. I believe that's the number in the, in the, we ordered it in 2022 year. Yeah, so I mean, we're. So it's Ford F600 in one ton. Right, so there's, that'll hit, okay. But then, and then below that, we've got the dust control portable. I added any dust control portable sprayer and tank. We may or may not, that's, because we had that discussion. We're looking at the option of, you know, the question is, we've got that 1,000 gallon tank, but we're gonna have to buy a motor. I mean, it's leaking, so we, we're gonna try to look at. Oh, they're gonna buy a new palleted unit. So we don't need to buy a new one. Is that the one they're, that's the one they're gonna build, right? Maybe, yeah, we're gonna look at the cost just buying another unit. And how much did you say for that? We didn't yet, because I don't, we don't have numbers on it. We just, we just talked about it. So the other ones eaten up by salt too, the pump and everything. Yeah, the tank is okay. Yeah, the fitting, they're all left. It's leaking, the fittings are all leaking. So it's, they have to rebuild. What about the trailer that we learned has been rusted in a room, you're not safe to drive? Is that, should that be on here somewhere? No, because it's scrap. It's scrap, that'll be scrap. What we, I think that's what we're talking about, replacing this new one with, right? We're not, we're looking at not replacing the trailer. It's actually kind of a liability for us because the guys can't even, they don't have license, they're not license, they're not license, they're not license, they're only job, they're only job. And so, they're, and I think Dana, I think Dana's not having it. Well, they were calling it, they're license, don't, right, I'm sorry. They were illegally driving it. They were illegally driving it, they're out of their supervision. Right, Alfred told them to, and they didn't, you know, they just already said. And a truck and a trailer that was really customized structurally. So there's a high chance that that kind of failed with the loan on it. That really bothers me. So I guess that was never inspected and registered, it was just illegally going. So they were illegal, it was a legal piece of equipment that they weren't licensed to drive in from their hatchet and legal. So not good. They're out in the front now. Well, we're just not even looking at replacing that. We're going to, we've done the story of the tank. We're going to try to do a truck mounted tank that we just skid. I'll put it, we'll put all of the loader forks. Can I just read down through the list to make sure that we're on the same page? Okay, so we have the 1997 Caterpillar Grader, there's no qualifier. 1997 John Deere Grader, 2002 Conalign trailer. 2009 International Dump, which is gone. The 2014 Western Star Tenular. I forgot the 2010 Caterpillar loader. No, that's coming, she's not doing it yet. Oh, okay, that's out of order. Okay, sorry. All right, 2010 Caterpillar loader. 2014 Bulbal Escavator, 2015 Ford Dump, which is gone. 2016 Ford Pickup, 2016 West Star Dump Six-Wheeler. 2017 West Star Dump Tenular. 2019 West Star Tenular. 20, 2019 International One-Town that we have, but we're trading. And the 2023 West Star Dump Tenular, which is going to arrive any day. 2022 Ford F-600 One-Town, arrives in the spring, we think. And the dust control portable sprayer and tank, we're looking to buy or maybe build one. Possibly, I just put the line out there, so we can in case we do need it. So we're either gonna have to rebuild that one, which we probably can do. It'll cost us money, the question is whether it's worth just starting from scratch. Yep, that's what I have in my notes. I have that in the notes. Fuel, gas, diesels. Do you have numbers for all of these guys? Which ones? Well, I don't know, it's listed, anything. I don't, because I need to have, there's a lot here that I don't have in terms of, we need it from NEMRIC, I don't have any detail. Okay. I've got blanks in the address. So now we've got a complete list, a correct list. Okay. Yeah. Fuel, gas, diesel, we said 70,000 given the cost of fuel going up, although they say it's coming back down. But what I also found out, and I didn't know this, that there's a, you know, we have a diesel storage tank, and then there's a gasoline storage tank, but the gasoline storage tank is like 1,000 gallons, and you have to order 990 gallons of gas, and they said it's not worth it because the gas goes bad, as you know. Yeah. The only thing we've got is all the equipment and the pickup. Right. We've got basically the chipper and the pickup. So what they were, what they're doing is they're going in and getting five gallon cans filled up with gasoline. And they said it really doesn't. From Dudley's. Yeah. That makes sense. Can we get, can we get them a credit card? Well, that was one of the things on the list of topics. It said the charge account, the charge account. So, like when Ogden went to, they had to go to hard work and pick up a part, he just took his own vehicle and pay a mileage. Yeah, that's okay, as long as we pay a mileage. Well, you know what they said, they said it doesn't make any sense to drive one of these big trucks. They're right. To go and pick up a part. That's right. When they can put up in for a mileage. No, they're great. They're great. And they said it's just a waste of fuel and, why? Yeah. And drives that and yeah, gas and, yeah. Another protocol change. Yeah, so we said just, you know, put in for mileage. If they need a part, how are they doing that? The different systems we used to hear that Alfred just, you know, driving a part for a little widget. Yeah, he delivered parts actually. Are we doing that now? I think Alfred is doing it to take time off. I think he was probably. Well, that's my question. I'm sure, yeah. My question is what are we doing now? If they can have it delivered, they will if they otherwise would have got it. I know it's a hybrid. Cause sometimes if you need something right now, you go and get it. You don't want to wait for four hours for five hours. But, you know, if you call a Fisher, they'll deliver twice a day. That's right. Yeah, so they're on it. I mean, they're, so I'm saying they're really good. They're not sure enough time. They're trying to. So we could set up an account with Fisher if we're not. Well, and there's other things. We talked about a credit card, a town credit card. Yeah. And I looked up the credit, town's credit card policy. Yeah. So we would need to change it to add that the town garage could have a credit card. Yeah. So that they, when they have to go buy some weird, something or other. Somewhere else, yeah. Somewhere else. Or rent something. Yeah, like they'd have to rent, like they had to rent equipment when they were working on the Roscoe Woods Bridge. You know, instead of hiring it out, they went and rented a jackhammer and. Do we have like a little safe in that town garage or should we get one? So they can throw the credit card in there and the guys have the combo. But you know, if they leave it overnight, it doesn't connect. Let's say credit card policy for a whole other conversation. Right. So I just wanted to throw that out. Sure, they're shorter than that. It makes sense, yeah. What's wrong with just setting up an account? Well, so. So the fuel problem was solved. Because they need to be able to fill up a tank. Well, and Fisher, Dudley's and Fisher, and then we're, that's a start and the credit card fills the gaps. We go on to the town garage. Actually, can I, it's probably crazy. What's that place over in Plainfield? That's probably closer to. Plainfield Harbor? They don't have gas. They have gas. Oh, there's a. The north side of town. There's a maple fields. I'd rather give Dudley's the business. Okay, yeah. Okay. It's about six to one a half dozen a year. Okay. So town garage, trash removal. We kept it five tire recycles. We bumped it up to 500 because they've got. A hundred tires. I forget what they say, 300? 300 tires in a pile to get rid of. We've just been collecting over the years. We've been collecting over the years and they just sit there. And they might as well just get. So we'll start chewing at it. I'm not sure. Some of them are likely from the green up to. That's what they said. Some are, but some are just the ones they pick up along the roadside. Yeah. But there's like 300 of them. Well, we'll just, they're chewing up space. Let's. That's ridiculous. We'll just start shipping away at it. So we just take them and just let them sit there. That's what I thought. It seems like if you're going to go into town for a part, you could have taken them to Castellas. Something. They could have somebody come and pick up a light. And they're not out of your cycle, I should say. Tyre disposal. They're not out of your cycle. Well. They're going to a burner. Well, they used to chip. Well, they're corded tires. They chip around. They actually used them in asphalt over bright 20 days. Okay. Okay. So can we garage maintenance? We said 3,000. Computer expenses. We want to get them a new computer and a new printer. I mean the stuff there is really old. Yeah. And some word processing programs there's no like word or anything on that. We're going to base the office like it's out. So that we can. I just want to toss something out there in the spirit of getting way off track. For another day. We, so everybody uses Microsoft and yet we're built on, we're building everything on Google. We should revisit the idea of switching to a Microsoft subscription. I know. I'm with you. You were against it. Not Microsoft. I'm against subscription, but they're all subscriptions. That's right. So now you're over it because you have one. And then we could be teams and one drive and everybody can. Everybody is one. Everybody. Everybody. Stop it. But you have it. You have however you source it. Uh huh. I think you have a subscription. I'm looking at all John's subscriptions here. So, so, so if we switch to Microsoft teams, then we would have. We would have a hub and part of the reason we have trouble sharing things with each other is because we set ourselves up to be Google as individuals instead of Google organization. We're talking about doing the same thing with ECCT. Yeah. It's so. We do as we're. I mean, exactly. I'm saying always more about cyber money and lots of functionality. You have to end up having to download it. We don't. What we do is we download it to a Microsoft product. So we can look at it because we're familiar with it. Then we upload it and we make a mess of things. Clip caught my head off one day because I opened. Remember that? And so can we move on anyway? Yeah. It's a good idea. So that's the placeholder, but it was proposed that we put it aside. Yeah. It was at 2,500. So that 255 years, right? For compute computer expenses. Okay. Communications and we added security. So it's now going to be communication slash security because I think there's a camera outside. There's some kind of a security there, but we got to check it out and see what it is. The question we're trying to, what we need is download. There's no camera at the garage. The garage has a security. I could be breaking the door or break the window. Right. So we want to get a camera. And fire. I thought they said there was a camera outside. Well, we've heard, we've said that, but I think every time we say it, somebody says no, there's not a security. No, they're not. I've said that every time. There's C-Coast security. Security doesn't are like the door. That's fire and legal admissions. We should have one. If we had a public works record, that person could have a handle on what we have there. Right. Right, right. Okay, so what did you put it in the number? We didn't put anything in. We just left it. Because the expenses on it, we've read 4,000 one year and then the last budget year was four, or this budget year so far, we got 1,400. I think we could put 2,500 in here. But this is this budget year so far. That's right to date. Right, so that's. And I don't know how up to date this is, getting some something. But that's, so Denise, 2,500 is low if we're already at 1,500. Yeah, 3,000 has been low. I mean. I think last time I was dividing this by, this goes as of what date, this tool we had as of 11-1. So, July, August, December, so divided by four, five was 12. So, this is 4,300. We're on track for 4,300. So, 4,300. At least, and if we think we're gonna do more. 4,500. Right, we gotta check it out and see. I put in 4,500. Yeah. Okay, radios and pagers. Radios and paging, I've got a note to check that out. Because I have to get. You still do pagers? Yeah, and I sent everybody a list of everybody's pager numbers and I had tried paging the road crew and they didn't respond and what we found out. I was calling from home. One, I didn't even get my page and then he's Mr. Technology Octanus. Found out if you call from a cell phone to the pager number, it doesn't work. Well, that's useless. Right. It's crazy. So, I don't know, of course cell phone coverage is not very good, so it doesn't make any sense to get them all a cell phone. But a lot of people would call them from a cell phone. Yeah. Right, so I've gotta know. That's what I would be doing. I've gotta call the company and maybe we just need updated or upgraded pagers. Maybe. So, I've gotta know what to call. Could you put in a thousand on that one? Yeah, I think so. On the radios and paging? Yeah. The question is on that, we're gonna have to buy a radio for the tractor too. So, I don't know what that cost is. That's gotta be well up in the hundreds if not over a thousand. 2000? Can we put 2000 in that one? I just put 2000 in for radio and paging, yep. Okay, sounds like a good one. That's good. That's reasonable. And supplies, we put in a thousand. And we're not even really sure what that means, is that paper towel, is that, what is that? We weren't sure of that, how much of the equipment supply we need to download or that data. I mean, this isn't much. So, it's probably consumables like paper and, you know, but. But the printed board. So. Well, you know, toilet paper, paper towels, all of that. Yeah, dish soap. I don't think they had that either. Cleaning supplies. If. Cleaning supplies, $478 of cleaning supplies. Go team, well, you know, maybe they cleaned the bathroom and used more. Well they, I guess the question is, we just need more detail on that from, then we're gonna see what it was. All right, so. So, we just put in a thousand. One thing to listen, there's one thing that they made, they said their tool, their hand tools. Yeah, you're gonna love this. They practically have nothing, which means they're either taken over time or. Broke. But I said, we said, listen, go out, you've got, I think it's 1500, the budget. Go shopping. Go get a decent, go to Home Depot, buy a decent mechanics box. And then that's gonna be $700 bucks. Yeah, because they've been bringing. Tool guys will come. Right. But they're expensive, if you bring the stamp on and, and what they suggest Husky about to get something. That's what they said. That's what they said, I mean. But the tool guys do Husky too. Yeah, okay, they do. So anyways, we found out that there's a lot of tools, like don't, we found there's a lot of tools they don't have and need. Peter, for instance, when he was working on something, went home and got his own tools. Oh boy. So those that we told him to go shopping, under work budget, when they go shopping. That goes welding, shop supplies, tools. Welding, shop supplies, tools, yeah. Oh, tools, so we put in 5000 for next year. Well, if they get a box, tool box, like a Husky box with all the tools they need, that's 12, 15 grand. Well, if they get a big, a full equipment, we don't say that that's a real shop there. Yeah, so they should have. Well, and it's how it's like, how can they have been functioning without these, just basic tools they were talking about. Sockets and wrenches and. Bring them around. Things have disappeared over time. But if they're gonna buy all that this year, we put in 5000 for next year. Because there's budgeted for 1700s been spent, roughly. So they have some ideas about where to go and get these tools. There are a lot of time mechanics when they go out of business, they go on Craigslist and you can buy a $15,000 box for $5,000, $6,000. Ogden is a masterful Craigslist. So we should think about that. I don't think 5,000 is enough folks. I'm with you on that, I just assume. I think you put seven and we hope for close of this box. Seven instead of five, John? Yeah. I mean, and we encourage Ogden, I guess, if you can. Ogden is good at that stuff. I haven't searched Craigslist, him and his buddy Ford can search Craigslist. Well, and that would be another reason for them to have a credit card. Craigslist, they're gonna have to need a town check for that. Well, and you gotta be careful, but they know that. Yeah, there's some of them. Tyler and Ogden are computer savvy. Yeah. Okay, so utilities, what'd you guys put in for utilities? 3,500, because we figured they're gonna probably go up. Right, power. So we are running 10,000 over, what did you get for total? 24,500, which is 10,000 over last year, a little more. So that's a big jump. I mean, this year's budget is gonna be, it's gonna go up, it's gonna be pretty good. Yeah. Okay, we didn't, like I said, we didn't get into benefits, salary, insurance, all that stuff because we can't. Are we as far as you guys got or did you get? Okay, so did you do any capital? No. That's something when Rick has time, he can do. I'm sorry, hold on, we've got two conversations. So anyway, here's a tool chest for sale, 4,000, it's complete, I mean, it's got like everything and look at all the sockets. Where is it? It's an under hill. The chest alone is over four grand, probably five, six. It's full of tools. These guys go, they're done or out of business. And then whatever's not there, they can supplement but it looks like a pretty full chest. I mean, that's what they should buy. Why don't you send that later? And then somebody should get a pink marker and put ton of callus on every little piece. They can engrave them. Okay. It's an engraver. Give it an engraving tool. But the guys that want to steal them, they're not saying those guys would steal them, but if someone wants to steal them, they're gonna steal right away or not. Do you have any speculations about it? They had that same speculation, but didn't say it. What was? No, we're not gonna say it. Oh, okay. Inshallah, we need, yeah. So that's where we got, okay. So we're good for now. Rich has to work on the capital. So we need another budget date. Today is the fourth, third. We meet, we meet on the 12th. We're not gonna tighten the budget then. So wait, can I, you, I was showing now 21.5 on my total. You're showing 21. But we have some of those. And I've been up there. I've been changing mine as you know. No, hang on. Let me read down through what I have, okay. Trash will go 500. Tyre. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Okay, okay. Let me get to my right. So when we're done with this, John's gonna email it out. I will move it again into the folder. The 2023 town meter folder. Okay, and you're putting dates on. So trash on the document somewhere, right? Or the bottom, put it in a footer. It'll have a date of when I put it in there. But if somebody else goes in there and makes changes and the date'll change. Yeah. So trash move will stop. So yeah, it's a living document. Right, I haven't, I didn't add dates. I added, I can, I can, yeah. Can you just rename it with the date? I can do that. But John, hang on, let me ask you a question. When you pull this up, did you pull it up from the folder or from your email? I pulled it up from the folder. So the changes are already in there. Okay. That's all right. Well, you know what? I will do, I will restore the old version. Just so we can, yeah, it'll be a different document. I'll try to remember. It was under town meeting. Yeah, yep, yep, yep. I will try to restore the old version so we have that. It's not gonna be all on spreadsheet that way, but whatever we have a record. Okay, so going back to the numbers. Yeah. Trashmobile 500. Yeah. Recycle 500. Recycle, recycle and disposal 500. Garage meeting is 3,000. You have 3,000 there, I didn't get that. Computer expenses 2,500. Yeah. Communications and security 4,500. Radios and paging 2,000. I said, wait a minute. Communications and security, I thought we said 4,300. No, 45. 45, okay. That's what she said. Radios and paging 2,000. Supplies 1,000. Wealthing, shops, supplies and tools 7,000. Utilities 3,500. Yeah, okay. I'm into 24-5 now. 24-5, did you get 24-5? Yeah. Okay. Okay, good. Okay, so there we go for now. Coy, can I ask? Okay, all right. Roadway related, we've got, now we're talking about adding. So we're going to have, on the salary side of this, where is that going to be calculated? You know, is that going to be done by Demerick? Or when we're talking about adding, we're going to have a DPW, we've got a budget for. We're going to have to do that. We have to, we have to, we do another. That's what I said, yeah. And we have to hire another temporary to potentially write a settlement. So we have budget. So I think, I think what you, what you guys can be thinking about, even with the crew is, what are our staffing needs? Right. And then we'll, and then bring the needs here. And then we'll figure out that. And we'll figure out the budget. But we've all, you know, some things that you mentioned when we were chatting the other day, Rick, we recognize a distinction between, and we've never talked about this before. John has a higher CDL license. I was not aware of that. I didn't know that. He has never brought to us before. So that's a differentiator. We've mentioned that, while everybody brings their value, Tyler and Ogden have certain skills, which, you know, then we have to weigh how available are they? You know, because you don't, you don't pay as much if you can, if the skill is widely. And Peter has saved us a ton of money with his mechanic skills. Right, so mechanic. So, and then we need everybody to have a CDL license. And if you don't have a CDL license, then, you know, so this is starting to build kind of steps for us. And we've never had any way of thinking about steps because we didn't know what now we do. And we'll, we can now. And that, that's something that, you know, do DPW really help be able to do. But we certainly have, that DP doesn't. The guys will help, they'll help with this because it really, what that does is we want in our raised structure and our kind of reward structure. We want to be encouraging that growth because it only distributes the load more and makes us more resilient. And certain people can run it greater. But you only, but, so my, my thought would be that I mean, everybody, everybody gets rewarded equally. If, you know, if the job well done is equal, then you get the same, you know, two or three percent increase as the other guy who did a good, the same good job that you did. But your base starts with where your skills are, what your experience is. Do you have the right license? Well, yeah. And so your two percent, if you don't have a license, it is a different two percent than the person who has something, like John Stafford is a Rhodes Scholar. He has the class ROADS Scholar. Yeah, not, not a ROADS Scholar. Not a ROADS Scholar, yes. It's Rhodes. She knows, she knows. Yeah, no, I know. But I'm just seeing. Michael Rhodes all for the camera, yeah. And he's got the higher class CDL, which we didn't know. Right. So, and we also talked about, and I'm going to check into it and see what I can find out. You know, there's times of the year where they, they could do some training. There's training for invasive species. There's training for roadside maintenance. There's all kinds of little certificates that you've got a bonus for. Right. Well, that's exactly right. That's right. Yeah, I'm sorry. I didn't. Guys, do this to me. We're building on your offer. It's not only the guys, not only the guys. It's not a guy thing. The guys is the generic. But it's, did these guys aspire? And I want them to have something to look forward to. Yeah. And give, and encourage them to take some trainings and you know, it's only better for us, especially if they could take a training on invasive species. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, I think we should offer a bonus for that. We should just put that out there. Right. And that's actually good. Well, I was going to say, I was going to see if Joanne, Garten, if she's still around, could come and do a specialized training at the town garage. We could get the conservation commission to attend, we could do the tree cutting, whatever that's called, and do some personalized training. And then we could, so we could give them a little reward, a little reward for doing it, but then also offer some kind of incentive for applying it programmatically. So take your knowledge, guys, and come back and tell us how you're going to change your road practices to incorporate. Right. I think if we include them like we did with this budget, yeah, there's buying. Yeah. And I think that that's really important that they do that. The other piece we wanted, and I don't know where we put this under, under, you know, probably something I was throughout the winter, I'll make a pot of cheerleaders do and have one of the guys step by and pick it up. I bought sandwiches when we met, so we all had lunch together. And Jamie offered, we're going to talk to Jamie at the make the corner store. And when winter hits and they're plowing these. They can make pots of soup or get pots of soup or get pickup sandwiches. But they stop in and grab lunch. Well, they have to bring it back to the shop. Right. And then they make the stuff and that's where the gardens loop. He said he could stop buying and pick up a pot of cheerleaders. So it just makes it nicer. Well, the way for them, I just want to say, and this is about that structure, and we want to be very careful. Well, I think one thing that's become clear to me, like we want to, when we do a hire, there are different things. There's some things that really help the town and there's some things that are really necessary for the job. So we want to tie that job to having certain things in place. There should be an expectation that they would have a CDL or a class B within six months or a year of employment. And we'll pay to, you know... Well, it can be part of our probation. We have a six month probation. So in a probationary period, we expect that to happen. That's right. Those are things, because that's the basic functionality of our crew. And then there are the things that go, that are still really structurally super valuable to us, like greater certifications. There's trainings for grading. No, we can actually build that into the salary structure. So if you get this certification, that's a guaranteed bump here. That only serves us, because that gives us... I agree. And then there are the things that are ultimately... If we're willing, because it takes a discipline It does. among management to say, yeah, we're a nice guy, but you don't have the right license. And so... Well, that's why we pay more. You don't get paid as much as we do. That's why we codify it in the group. That's why we make this. Well, in a policy or something. Yeah. That's a hiring guideline that has to be... And it would be up to the DPW to make sure that they're on track. Right. Well, I think too, let me finish what I was saying, because we have those things that are critical, like greater and lower operating certifications. And so they can do that with a Class B license. And then if you... But if they actually go to greater school, which we can pay for, that's through local roads. Great, we got a greater operator. Then there are the things, I think, beyond that, other certifications like the... Like... The environment. You know, more things that might be environmentally related or... And we can bonus those. We don't necessarily have to tie those to the salary structure, but to the bonus. So I think that's the way I see it. You have a mandatory... Right. And then bonus for... Selective salary increase for really... No, I agree with that. The things that we pay for that up their skills, depending on how much it costs, we should just shift because we're not... We're just like brainstorming. But we should... Depending on how much it costs, we should promissory note, what's the term of employment? Right. What's your commitment to us and what's the pro-aration schedule? Oh, and that's why... How the town gets it back if you leave. Well, that's sort of what we did with the sign-on bonus. We broke it down into five. Four pieces. And the other guys all got their... Maybe, I don't know what they did, but I remember it. They got their shoe allowance. Boot allowance. Right. And Wendy asked me, should we give Ogden a boot allowance? And I said, let's wait 90 days. And that's very soon. Okay. Just because, you know, we're getting to winter, maybe he needs a decent pair of... We need to set up an account. Right. Well, that's part of what we talked about with the... Maybe he can be the first one to account. With the contract thing. Yeah. We should stop because then we're done. And we're just brainstorming. Well, that's... That was an important one, but we want to deal with pretty soon because... Right. I mean, we're actually going to be talking to the union about that once we're getting negotiations when that will get coming. Well... So we'll... We may need to... We may need to take a step on the boot thing because... Well, they need the union... Right. The union conversation isn't going to be until January at least. Right. I'm talking about Ogden needs boots. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. I know. It's a safety thing. Right. It's an ocean. And then I want you to just boot. So what we need is at a regular meeting. We need an acknowledgement that he's finished 90 days. And then we need... And, you know, I don't think we authorize the boots. I think they just go get boots and it's tying in boots, right? We don't authorize it. We usually... I know the state... You know, the state has a contract for boots. They have a boot truck that actually comes around. When I worked at the state of D.E.C., we had a contract with Lenny's. They do that routine. They do it. They come around with a truck. No, no, no. A Lenny's. You've got to go on. I thought it was through Lenny's. Oh, maybe. I thought it was through Lenny's. I mean, I picked up mine because we aren't allowed to go on job sites without steel toe, steel arch. Okay. I don't think it's Lenny's. This is fascinating, but... Anyway, sorry. But I think we're done. Is there anything else we need to do on highway? On highway or budget? No, I've got... We need to reschedule another budget meeting. I was in person all the time. I still don't get... I still haven't trouble with all the grant pieces. I'm... Can we just schedule it so that we can wrap up? Sure you do. Okay. Can we... Before that, I need some guidance on how to finance this truck. Which is ready for delivery now. So I call the dealer and see what programs they offer. That's what Alfred would do. For what now? Probe, financing. So he would talk to the dealer and sometimes they'd wrestle through the truck company like Western Star International. I think we've had zero interest loans. Loans are very low interest loans. So it was... I'll bet you they're not low interest now for all the factors we know. So we consult with them and see what they offer. We've done lease purchases. The lease becomes a purchase loan at the end and there's a reason they do it that way. He's also been in situations where because we bought used equipment and not through a dealer or because the dealer rates and offerings weren't that... it didn't make sense against what we could get at Northfield Savings and we would take out a loan through Northfield and Sandro would do that. No, it's a problem. I've never been involved with anything like that. But here, you know, it's a treasure of the world. So I'll call the dealer Monday. I was going to try yesterday. So what do you offer him, John? Okay. But, John, do you think that normally we've gone through the dealer? We consult with the dealer and see what's offered and then Alfred would bring them back or Toby would bring it back. And if it made financial sense, whether it's a loan or a lease purchase, then we'd go with the dealer offerings, which usually is through the manufacturer. Okay. And it didn't make sense or if we bought a used piece of equipment where there was no... Let me add this. We would get it from Northfield Savings. This is a two-stage process, right? We've got the dealer we're buying the chassis from. And then we've got a whole separate deal to fill up the truck, which is half the price. Is that rolled into one? I mean, how... We have to take the truck over in New Hampshire to have the body, or basically the dump body... I think we do it all into one, but I'm not sure about that. Historically, we've done it all at once. The dealer would actually do the fittings. But Charlie Boyce... One of the deals we used to do was Charlie Boyce shut their shop down at Vermont and kept the one in New Hampshire open. Oh, that's right. It was a Charlie Boyce. It was... One another. Yeah, they shut that. It was a tanker. Yeah. Tanker did it. And they... Yeah, they don't do that, but that's where it goes. So... The dealers know it. He was all talk to Miss Ballish, but I can call him. I'll call him. They gave me his number. I just have to... I don't know how to proceed with this. I mean, they got a salesman. They used to call Alfie routinely and say, hey, you know, you guys in the market, let me know. Salesman coordinates all that. So they would send us documents, basically sale documents. And they would email what programs are available. And then we would call Northfield. I didn't seem... Compare it. See, can you do better? Yeah, if it didn't seem like a good deal. And it would be like a five-year... We do a five-year... Yeah, because if it's ten-year... Not even five years. There. There's something about... There's something about over five years. Remember that? There's something about it. If you go longer than five years, you have to do something. Yeah, it was something. Well, we trade in in six or seven years. How did you put up a bond vote? Yeah, that's it. That's why we did five. Good memory. I forgot, though. Well, we trade in five or six years anyway. So it's... So, coming up with the... You have a step forward. You have... I'll get back with you guys as soon as I talk that out. You guys want to meet in a week? On the 10th? I think we need to. Well, that's what we're going to do. That's the next Saturday? Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to select four meetings on Saturdays and Sundays. We still have to... Well, you know, as elected officials, elected officials need to be available when there's a need that arises. Yes. 24-7? 24-7? It is 24-7. That is our responsibility. I'm still trying to get all the district on the... Get calls on Thanksgiving. On the sole source for... I don't want Thanksgiving and Christmas. You don't want this year. No, I have. Okay. So, 10 o'clock next Saturday? Yep. What do you want to eat next Saturday? I can break something to you. So you don't have to be on the... All right. Does everybody like to do the push? Yeah. All right. So, you wanted to go into a second assessment, John, right? Is there a motion to go into a executive session under 1-DSA 31383 to discuss personnel issues? I would make that motion. You would make it... You're making the motion, John? Can I ask... I'll make it. Rick can second it. Do we have any other items that we have to do that are going to be on camera, so he doesn't have to leave and then come back in? No. Although we will report something out, we might report out nothing. We might say we have nothing to report. So if you want to stay around, let me know. And we'll ask you to come back in and turn the camera on when we come out.