 Also for already making the connection to the next theatre we are going to move to and also reminding us of the Pottery House principle which here seems to be redefined in a way who breaks Iraq and who breaks Libya may become responsible for the Sahel and for West Africa. But the connection to the Mashrek, to the region east of the Mediterranean is clear. You lined it out, if only by the movement, by the migration of terrorists who've lost their space, so the territorial dominance in parts of Iraq and Syria. Now Turkey has been a strong actor in Syria for a long time but the engagement has changed a little bit last week. When President Adagan first became Prime Minister his lead principle was zero problems with neighbours. Today it seems to be the principle of having zero friends among the neighbours and even zero friends among the international partners and allies Turkey uses and used to work with. Can you explain to us what the Turkish government actually is trying to achieve with its recent We are not allowed to call it an invasion as Europeans because Mr. Adagan said if you call it an invasion we will send you an invasion of refugees. So we call it incursion so please explain to us what Turkish government is about with this incursion. I actually did have two comments about your introductory remarks but let me take this first and then get back to that. I think it's been the Turkish government has been clear on what it intends to do two things and this has been true from the beginning and this has very broad sport in the country. One there will not be a Kurdish terrorist corridor by the Turkish border so that has been very clear very predictable very consistent from the beginning so I don't think there is any surprise there and I think this in that sense I mean if you sort of you know we can all sort of think about all convoluted complex reasoning rationales but I think that's a very simple statement and I think it has the full backing of the Turkish people. That's very difficult it is an economic burden it's a social burden it is becoming a political burden and we have to deal with it and it seems the only reasonable way as our friends around the world including those who have these high values are very reluctant and unwilling to take those refugees the only way forward is actually to create a safe zone for them so that they can go back or create the conditions in Syria where they can go back. I mean how we do it whether you know we create a better Syria so everyone can go to their original homes would be ideal but in the absence of that solution it seems we need to come up with a solution you send them to other people's homes. No no no in the absence of that solution we need to come together and think of a solution because the problem is the default absence of a solution means 3.5 million people living in Turkey forever so it's a very asymmetric problem we as time passes and the community international community does not find the solution the the burden the cost accrues on Turkey not on anyone else the few billion here few billion there yes it helps but it doesn't really address the fundamentals of the problem so in response to your question the two very clear very predictable and I think very coherent consistent principles objectives one no terrorist corridor by the Turkish borders to the 3.5 million Syrian guests in Turkey they need we need to find a way forward to bring them back to Syria so those are the two objectives. Two additional questions or footnotes to that the one is everybody calls his adversaries terrorists now in the broader Middle East so I think we should be a little bit more cautious with the term we know about the PKK and its long struggle with Turkey and we know that the YPG PYD has a very very strong relationship to say the least to the PKK at the same time it seems to be true that from the SDF which is now being fought by the Turkish army no shot has ever been fired into Turkey because they had enough to do to organize their self-administration in the Syrian Kurdish areas so is terrorism here actually the wrong term to talk about whereas settling of refugees which are a burden in Turkey back into Syria seems to be the main background to that to that incursion including and a degree of ethnic engineering in northern Turkey if you settle Sunni Arabs from southern or central Syria to north eastern Syria which is mainly Kurdish and the second part of the question a second question is you already had or there already are immediate political effects to the incursion which is that the Kurdish administration and their militia the SDF has now made an agreement with the Syrian army with the Syrian regime and Damascus to invite the Syrian army in is that in the end the solution also for Turkey to have the Syrian regime or the Syrian government recover its authority over the entire country or most of the entire country and have the Syrian army on the border with Turkey rather than an American-backed Kurdish militia the first one the definition of terrorism obviously it is a universal sort of conversation going on that discussion goes on but in the Turkish case the PKK has actually inhabited the Iraqi space and from there attack Turkey so for us the idea of PKK in Turkey is not how we define it PKK actually inhabits regions that are south of the border the Turkish border so for us the PID PKK link which is very real the fact that you know it hasn't this or that person or this faction within YPG has not taken a shot does not mean much because that is how we've experienced this for 40 years we know how PKK functions and how PKK sort of cooperates with its with other parties in that region so it's the kind of risk and the kind of definitional sort of subtlety that the Turkish security sensitivities cannot accommodate it is just too sensitive because we've lost too many people 40 years and we know how PKK functions and the mere fact that as you've shared the link with YPG and PKK is very real I think that is sufficient for Turkish sensitivity so that's number one in terms of ethnic engineering I mean ethnic engineering has already taken place you're an engineer after all well I was about to say you know my CPU works well with integrated circuits but not with the Middle East it's very just too complex even generally equilibrium models are fine it's just Middle East is too much but I'm trying the it seems like the Kurds older I mean not the Kurds the YPG has already done some of that ethnic engineering so it's really allowing people to come back arguably and the second thing is if there is indeed I mean I understand that our European friends are very concerned about demographic shifts and that's very understandable and I think that is the point at which our European friends should say not allowed if that happens if that materializes then the EU will act but preemptively saying that this may happen at some point and then going after the Turkish operation forcefully with sanctions and threat of sanctions I don't think it's constructive I do think your concern your issue about ethnic engineering is a real issue and the Turkish government the president himself has come out and said no we're not going to do it so we can hold him to his promise and when that happens if he somehow strays from that very strict rule then I think our European friends would be rightfully in the position to say look we told you we're not okay with this but we are not there yet it's not happening and your other big question is what's the end game we don't know I mean I personally don't know I can tell you about what I sense will happen the feeling I get I mean I understand that they have invited the Syrian government to interfere the Syrian military but again this morning the president says in Kobanian Membij which is the area where there's a possible sort of conflict with the Syrian army it did that there's cooperation with the Russians are that Russians are aware of the situation and Russians are cooperating so it's not going to happen but my guess is YPG is a tactical instrument for big powers in Syria I think it was a tactical instrument for the Americans and I think it may well be a tactical instrument for the Russians so the Russians if the I mean we know what the Russians want the Russians want this Assad and the Turkish the Turks to come together so that the Syrian the Syria can be yet again under the control of Assad and that is the end game for the Russian so I think they want to steer the whole system towards that direction in going towards that direction my guess is as I said if the Turkish part our side does not cooperate fully with that scenario and there's food dragging for this or that reason my guess is the the Russian colleagues friends will use YPG instrumentally will try to bring them together with Assad and see whether that can nudge the Turkish side and looking at the picture I don't think Turkey can be at odds and can be in conflict continuously with both YPG and the Syrian government I think at some point we'll have to choose I don't know when that point will come it may be soon and between the lines I think there is some room for some rapprochement with the Syrian central government aside I guess we have the thank you very much I guess we have the answer by next year's world policy yes exactly