 Long story short, financial crisis hit back in 2009, everything basically stopped working specifically in this NGO that we were running, and over an 18-month process I wound up leading a transformation, essentially restarting the whole thing. It worked out pretty well, in a duplicatable way as well, because I knew I would be moving to Sweden, so nothing could be tied to me in that sense. So we came up with a way that quickly onboard new people and create that kind of function. The only problem was I didn't really know what specifically it was that had worked this time, because we had tried lots of stuff before that didn't work. So when I moved to Sweden, I had those questions bumping around. I also joined that same organization here in Sweden, but I didn't have any better answers. So as a way of getting to the professional and SPAC level here in Sweden, I wound up getting a degree in occupational psychology, organizational psychology, took a real deep dive into group facilitation, specifically with working with conflicts, both simple conflicts between people but also in complex environments. And then when I finally joined the work market here, I quickly realized that sort of the profession that was the obvious fit, maybe, the HR, I spoke with some HR managers that flat out told me, like, if you're thinking about this seriously, you're going to have to look at agile. Interesting.