 Oh, yeah. Oh, we're live. I don't know why I got aggressive about it. It's a very aggressive look. Oh, we're live. Alpha Geek? We are now live on Alpha Geek. Yay! Hi, Alpha Geek. And I don't see any important breaking stories quite right this second. So, you guys ready? Yes. Let's do this. We had to drop out at the last minute. Who wants to be Justin? Who wants to be Robert? I want to be young. We all want to be young. What a beard. All right, here we go. Through the nose and out through the mouth. And remember to find your inner peace. Go to DailyTechNewsShow.com. And now your moment of zen. This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday, August 27, 2015. I'm Tom Merritt. Justin Robert Young had an unavoidable appointment. But more than capably filling in, we have Ms. Allison Sheridan, host of the Nocella cast. Welcome back to the show, Allison. Hey, Tom. I was starting to think you were avoiding me because I was never on when you were on anymore. No, we were just using you when you were most needed. But also joining us, we're very happy to have Jeff Cannata, host of We Have Concerns. How's it going, man? Going great. How are you doing? Doing very well. I'm glad that we could all team up to fill in for Justin Robert Young because there are three names. So it took three people. It takes three people, yeah. Absolutely. Can I guess shamelessly about their show, Tom, for just a second? Oh, yeah. I'll join you. We Have Concerns is one of the funniest things I have ever listened to. The episode you guys had about the mice running on the spinning wheels out in the middle of the field, I actually did fall down laughing when I was running. Well, you'd have to take that up with our lawyers. I'm really sorry. I really appreciate it. That's very nice of you to say it. The Schmidt-Pain Index one, too. That was with the bullet thing where Anthony kept saying that, don't you really want to know what it feels like to get shot? No, I don't. The cool thing about that episode is that we did that right before Ant-Man. The movie came out, and then the Schmidt-Pain Index was all around me, and I felt like we were perfect. I felt so smart because I was a listener of We Have Concerns. I was like, oh, I know Schmidt-Pain Index. Everybody knows that. That's magic. That show is magic. Let's do your hysterical together. Thank you very much. Well, let's see how he does it. That wasn't meant to be a challenge. Cnet reports Apple sent out an invite to select journalists inviting them to the Bill Graham Civic Auditorium in San Francisco at 10 a.m. September 9th. The invite shows the top of the Apple logo on a blue field with multi-colored drop shadows, and the phrase, hey Siri, give us a hint. Saying that phrase to Siri on an iPhone will result in various humorous, but uninformative responses. And Geekwire noticed in the page announcing the stream of the announcement that not only Apple products will be able to play it, but also PCs with Edge on Windows 10 because it supports the HTTP streaming that Apple uses. Wow. You mean they're going to let the majority of their audience actually watch the stream this time? Yeah, but no Chrome users. They still aren't reliant on Chrome users. Hey Siri, give us a hint. Automatically pre-order the next iPhone for you. Just so you know, just be aware of that. Crap, you just did it. You just did it to a bunch of people's plug-in iPhones. You know, good for sales. Economy needs it. Right. Well Fitbit remains the top-selling wearable according to data collected by IDC. Reuters reports Fitbit shipped 4.4 million units in Q2 of 2015. Apple has moved into second place with 3.6 million units shipped, and Xiaomi nabbed number three with 3.1 million. Garmin held on to number four with Samsung falling to fifth. Overall, shipments of wearables tripled to 18.1 million. So good news for Fitbit that they're still on top, even though they just make fitness track or even just. Good news for Apple that they're rocketing up the charts here as well. Good news for Xiaomi that they are also hitting it hard. Real bad news for Samsung that they fell back beyond Garmin. Yeah, that is good. Fitbit is the Kleenex of fitness trackers, right? People say, I want a Fitbit, and sometimes they don't even mean Fitbit, at least not on my anecdotal experience. Do you want a watch or a Fitbit? Right. Yeah, they might mean any kind of tracker. I do wish, or I hope that Apple catching up or even passing them will make Fitbit play nice with the Apple Watch though, because I loved the Fitbit community. I had so much fun torturing my friends and being tortured by my friends, and now I've got no social thing with it. I just sit there yelling at my own circles, going, ah! But nobody would make fun of me. But do you need a Fitbit if you have an Apple Watch? I mean, the watch is supposed to do all of those things. But I don't have the community anymore. That's the piece I miss. So I don't know what Fitbit's motivation would be to play with them. That's why I'm studying Nike Plus. Yeah, everything I've heard is that people still use Fitbit and often get wildly different results from their Apple Watch. So people are still sticking with Fitbit because that's the community that kind of feels more fitness-y, just integrated fitness-y. And the Apple Watch is like just to corroborate almost. Yeah, it's not social at all, unfortunately. Yeah, not yet. BBC News reports that Google has filed a formal response to antitrust accusations in Europe. Remember, they got an extension on this. Google claims traffic to aggregator websites has risen 227% over the past decade. Ampoints to a study it carried out that showed dozens of new price comparison services had begun operation in Europe. They're using that as evidence that, hey, we're not abusing the marketplace. Google also believes there's no legal or economic basis for treating it like a utility or a monopoly. And so, therefore, it should not be subject to antitrust allegations. Your move, EU competition commissioner Marguerite Vestiger. Look at you, Marguerite. You're always throwing it to Marguerite, Tom. I know. Well, ever since she took over the job anyway. Is there a law that one of the big companies has to be in the middle of an antitrust thing with the EU at all times? It feels that way. It's like Microsoft handed the baton and said, Google, why don't you take this for a decade or so? Yeah, yeah. But we're alphabet now. We can't, we're not. Look over there. Yeah. Which letter are you suing, Europe? Yeah, exactly. In which alphabet? E and U. The Verge reports that you can now post full-size landscape and portrait-sized photographs on Instagram. Yay. Well, the default size will still be square. Both the Android and iOS apps will now have a format button above the camera roll, which allows you to toggle between square and full-size images. Ray, send your tallest cousin and all your photos of the Verge Califa. Oh, yeah. Plus all the people who hate portrait pictures and are landscape-only snobs will be happy now because they won't have to take any portrait pictures ever. Well, that Joe's recipe Sheridan always said he wouldn't join just because it had square photos, so now he has to join. Is this the equivalent of Twitter saying, you don't have to do 140 characters anymore? Sort of, sort of. I think the 140-character thing has more of an effect on how you communicate. And they did release the 140-character maximum on DMs recently, so there is an analog there, I guess. But yeah, I don't think Instagram's square requirement had as good of a creative effect as the 140-character limit does. That's a really good question, though. Yeah, I think you're right. I don't think it has as much of a creative effect and a sort of identity effect as 140 characters, but it is sort of what made Instagram Instagram. It is. I don't know. Now it's just a photo sharing. I guess it always was, but it just feels a little... But all the kids are on it now. Yeah, that's true. I don't get it. I really don't. It seems like a cross between Facebook and Twitter is so what, but these kids today are excited about it. See, now Allison, you used to get it until the kids thought it was popular, and then you stopped getting it. And then I found out what it was, and then they moved it. What's that old bit? Right. Move my cheese. Wired reports on two more phones trying to capture that elusive mid-range smartphone market in the Middle East, Africa and Asia. OB World Phone. You may see a lot of headlines about this because John Scully, former Apple CEO, is involved in this company, but they're making two phones. $199 SF1 and the $129 SJ1.5 designed by Robert Brunner. He's the guy who designed the Beats by Dre headphones, as well as a lot of other great stuff. Along with a 13 megapixel camera and Dolby Surround, the design features a square top, rounded bottom, and rolled edges, just like me. OB intends to sell both devices in India, Indonesia, Kenya, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Tanzania, the United Arab Emirates, and Vietnam, starting on October, with 50 to 70 more countries to follow. If you were to start a new phone business, would you start with a low-end where there's no money? Well, this is not... This is why they're doing it, right? This is the middle end. The low-end is $40. The low-end is like the commodity. The bet is enough people in these markets are starting to make enough money that they want to spend a little more, but they don't want to spend $400 to $700 like they would on an unlocked iPhone. So let's try to capture that market. And I think OB is one of the best ones I've seen because it really does look like a high-end phone in design, but it's at a $199 price. $199 is still expensive in these markets, though. Okay. Well, Gadget reports on a post from Max Rosette on Hustle describing how one day while searching for Python Lambda Functionalist Comprehension, as one does on Google, he got a search result saying, you're speaking our language for a challenge? It led him to food.bar, which is a great name, where he completed six different challenges successfully and was rewarded with a call from Google, which led to rounds of interviews and an eventual job. What? It's like the last Starfighter. Ready? Ready Player One. Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing. I absolutely adore this because it's Google. It's Google engineers somehow interfacing with the recruitment process in a way that made some little bit of magic. And I'm sure there's some downside to this that I'm missing, but it sounds amazing. If you have opted into letting Google, like you're logged in and you're allowing Google to track your searches already, and that's all above board, why not have Google go, searching for the kinds of things that people that we like to employ or searching for. Let's find out if you're up to this. I think that's a great story. And then nerds inherited the earth. We noticed that there's an interesting amount of things sitting on your desk. It's like our camera has picked up shapes that we find to be compatible with our business ideas. We think you have a face for YouTube. Would you like a job at YouTube? Yeah. That's how I lead a better job. Recode reports Facebook is implementing video matching technology to let copyright owners tell Facebook if a video clip belongs to them, whether it should be taken down or not. Approved partners can upload clips they want to protect. Works similar to YouTube's content ID system. Video licensing agency, Jukin and YouTube multi-channel network full screen are two of Facebook's initial launch partners for the technology, although they do say they have big media partners as well. They just wouldn't name them. I love this. Do you want something to not be on YouTube? Just upload it to YouTube and we'll make sure of it. Yeah, well, they upload... This is Facebook saying, hey guys, we want video. And everybody started posting video on Facebook which were just YouTube videos that they had ripped off from other people. And then suddenly people like Fullscreen said, Facebook, that's not okay. But I guess what this means is Facebook's not lying when they say they have a lot of video views because they have enough video views that they had to put in a copyright system. Yeah. I bet it won't make any mistakes either. No, they'll... Ever. Yeah, the YouTube content ID system is perfect. It never gets in an endless loop telling me to take down my own videos because I cross-posted them on two channels that I own. Don't worry, they got that guy that they just recruited through search results. He's on it. You're really good at resolving internal loops. I noticed. Would you like to take this challenge? All right, we get a lot of these stories like the one I just mentioned from our subreddit, dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. So get in there and submit some stories for us. Like Metal Freak did. He submitted the lily-puting account of Amazon laying off dozens of employees at its Silicon Valley-based Lab 125 Development Center. That's the center responsible for building hardware. Wall Street Journal sources say the layoffs are part of a reorganization after the failure of the fire phone to sell well. Amazon has also shelved a smart stylist called Nitro, which would have translated notes that you take in handwriting into digital shopping lists. I want that to work. That sounds amazing. And a projector called Shimmer and a 14-inch tablet code named Project Cairo. Fire phone work may not be dead, though. They may have just moved it to Seattle under Steve Kessel according to some of the sources. Crazy. Rest in peace, Fire Phone. I want to know what that Shimmer thing is. A projector? That sounds awesome. I want that. I mean, it's called Shimmer. Why wouldn't you want it? It sounds amazing. It sounds like Shimmer. If it works with my newly acquired Amazon Echo, which I have fallen in love with, yes, give me more Amazon ecosystem things because I just want to control them all through my voice. Well, and that's the thing, right? They're doing all kinds of stuff in here. So what they're saying is these projects are not working very well. Let's lay off a few engineers because we don't really see any work for them to do. But let's keep doing things. I mean, if they laid off 100-some people, which it sounds like they didn't even lay off that many. The quotes were dozens. There's 3,000 people working in that lab. So they're still going to be churning out things like the Amazon Echo, which I agree. I think they're building something very interesting there as they just kind of slowly add things that it can do. My nightmare, though, is that there's going to be an Amazon Echo too much sooner than I want because I just got the first one. And I genuinely think it's awesome. And I know people have said that a lot, but I was still skeptical, even though I'd heard really positive things. And I got it for my birthday this year, and I really like it. It's cool. Alexa, lower temperature to 75. No, don't say that! You sound like the microcosm of all users where you want it because it sounds cool, and they told you you can't have it anymore. And whatever you have now, you don't want them to come out with anything new because then yours will be old. You nailed it. That's my opinion. I like it. Well, Captain Kipper submitted the CBC report about the EU-funded RoboHow project, who recently demonstrated to robots collaborating to make pizzas. A group of cognition-enabled autonomous service bots have been reading recipes and watching videos to learn to do things like pancake. Robots can share knowledge through the Open Ease database. In a demonstration at the Institute for Artificial Intelligence at the University of Bremen, Rafael, the PR2 robot, brought tools and ingredients to Boxy, which made a pizza. A human put the pizza in the oven. I was like, really? Like, you could bring tools and roll dough, but you couldn't have the robot just carry it over to the oven? Robots hate ovens. Didn't you know that? Well, yeah, maybe they were afraid of putting it into the oven. Don't let the robot have any access to the oven. You don't want to know what will happen. Maybe it's like the lawnmower robot. It's always a little scary when it gets that close to full on danger. Yeah. I feel like that's the one place that you want a robot to be doing stuff. I can roll dough, but when it comes to potentially injuring myself on an oven, let the robot handle it. And as always, robot enthusiasts, we know the real advance here are learning to work and all of that. And this isn't meant to be like a demonstration for home use, but still. But still, exactly, but still. I'm ready for robot chef. Yeah. I really think we are, I'd say 10 years, within 10 years, we will all have the ability, if we have enough money, to purchase a home robot. And when I say we have enough money, I just mean like, it will be a consumer level product. Well, we did that story and we have concerns about the hands, the chef hands, the robot chef hands that they're rolling out, which they say is going to be out in like two or three years. They're going to be very expensive, but in the context of home appliances, which are very expensive, I think it could really take off. And the fact that, you know, you could tie it into TV shows about cooking, and all of a sudden you just push a button and your robot cooks the exact same thing you're watching on TV. Amazing. DJ Sikani posted the TechCrunch report that T-Mobile Austria has declined to comply with a request from Music Rights Group, LSG, to block access to the Pirate Bay website. A-1 Telecom Austria was ordered to block the site by the commercial court of Vienna earlier this month, and then LSG just went off and sent letters to everybody else and said, well, they were court ordered, so you should do it too. And T-Mobile Austria is saying, well, when the court orders us, we'll do it. We're not going to do it just because you say so. Hmm. And, you know, this is one of those things where I think it's getting a lot of attention because people are like, yeah, T-Mobile, sticking up for the Pirate Bay, way to go. But really, that's not what's going on. What T-Mobile is saying is we do not just do things because other companies tell us, we will do things like this if a court orders us. And my guess is the court will probably get around to ordering them eventually. All right, here are the facts, ladies and gentlemen. There will be an Apple Press event September 9th. It will have something to do with Siri, probably, based on the postcard. And that's it. That's all we actually know. All right, moving on to next story. Yeah, so we're done here. Thanks everybody for watching. However, as I am want to note, Mark Gurman at 9-5 Mac is one of the most accurate at cultivating sources and separating the wheat from the chaff as far as rumors go. Here's what he's said so far. We're going to see an iPhone 6s, says Mark Gurman, with a 12 megapixel camera, 4K video recording, force touch, animated wallpaper, a front-facing flash, and an A9 processor. Now that front-facing flash might just be using the screen to create a white, it may not be an actual LED in there. Oh, interesting. I'm also saying the iPhone 5C will be discontinued and that we might get an Apple TV announcement, although that could happen separately, and that Apple TV would have an App Store Siri support and gesture control on a new remote. What do you guys think? Those are the rumors that are out there. Other than the A9 processor, I don't find anything particularly compelling about any of that stuff. I mean, 4K video recording? No. So I can record two videos and then I'm done with my, I have no more room on my phone now Harry Potter-like animated wallpaper? I don't, I mean, I guess it's all whiz-bang cool and I'm down for whiz-bang cool stuff, but I don't need 4K recording on my phone. I don't need a nicer camera. I mean, it's nice to get nice with things, sure, but I'm not going to rush out and trade in my 6 for a 6 Plus just with this. It feels, it doesn't feel like much to me. I'm an Apple fanboy, for sure, and I'm afraid they're going to take my card away from me, but I have to say that when I hear about phone announcements now, it doesn't matter even if it is an iPhone, I hear the Charlie Brown teacher. I hear, you know, I hear a megapixel, OLED, you know, retina, graphics, Snapdragon, blah, blah, blah. It just all feels like noise now to me. It's, I mean, sure it's probably going to be great if they named it 7 and told me I couldn't have it, though, that would have been a lot better. Well, that's it, right? This is the the non form factor year. Generally, what Apple has been doing is they changed the form factor, then they add a feature like Siri or the fingerprint Touch ID. This one, it looks like Force Touch is going to be the signature feature, probably. And otherwise the form factor will stay the same. Force Touch, is that a thing that I care about? I don't know if it is. What? You don't like pressing harder to make different things happen? Who doesn't? Think about it as a right click, though, as a contextual menu kind of thing. I think that could be cool. That could be useful if you know where to do it. And if it's implemented across the platform. What I'm about to say, I also think of Siri and Touch ID, but I have not been using my phone thinking, wow, I really wish I could Force Touch right now and get a context menu. That just doesn't occur to me. Well, maybe. Go ahead. I'm a lot more interested in the Apple TV. And it might be, I should coach this, it's not my turn to get a new phone, so I might just be doing sour grapes with that whole thing. But I'm a lot more interested in the Apple TV as a home kit hub. That's where we've just been holding back. We really want to do some home automation stuff, but we want to see that hub. I don't even care if it gets the streaming TV deals yet, but a better UI and some apps in there and a different remote for the love of all things goodness world. And as a home kit hub, we'll be first in line to buy one. Yeah, I don't really love that remote either, but I use a Logitech Harmony as a universal remote. So I never deal with it very often. That's one thing that's bothering me here is if it has some audio built in to the remote or some gesture control that doesn't play well with my universal remote, that actually could be an annoyance for me. But I'm with you. The idea of an app store and them adding home kit into Apple TV, which we don't know if they're going to add a home kit. That's just a wish. But that could be pretty compelling. You're right. Will it work with my nest? Will it work with my Amazon Echo? Because we're getting into format wars again, right? Yes, we are. Well, that's what I'm hoping. Amazon Echo will work with my nest. I'm hoping that this verbiage on the invitation about Siri is some kind of indication that there's a leap forward in voice recognition or some sort of emphasis on that because I really don't use Siri a ton, but it feels like just using my Amazon Echo that I can speak to it much more naturally than I do Siri. Maybe that's me, maybe that's more operator area than anything else. But I think that's really the next horizon is making these phones just feel more integrated, more natural, and more easy to use. I agree with you guys that just having a bigger spec, having a 12 megapixel camera, it's all just mumbo jumbo. It doesn't really matter that much. But having some kind of really tangible interface upgrade, I think that would be great. I would love to see improvements to Siri. I mean, so many of my conversations with her end with me calling her a bad word. What, Cortana? Yeah, exactly. Well, no, and I bring up Cortana because I think Cortana has and Google now have set a bar that Siri needs to reach now. And Apple is famous for lagging a little bit behind, but then when they get they're doing it really well. I think now that you've pointed this out, Jeff, that the fact that Siri is on the invitation means that Siri will be the highlight feature, not force touch, and it will be some kind of proactive alert related situation where it can Siri will be able to do a lot more for you because it knows more about you. I would like that. Oh, yeah. Well, I would even like it. It doesn't even have to know more about me. It has to know more about the question I just finished asking. I think I've mentioned this on the show before, but I remember saying, hey, when is the next Laker game on? And it says, oh, it's on tomorrow. And I'll say, okay, what time? And it'll say what? 10 seconds. Short term memory loss. Exactly. Before we finish up speculation, there is also the pattern from Apple of having a separate iPad announcement in October. Do you think that will continue or do you think that the iPad is such a commodity at this point that if there is a new iPad, they'll kind of shove it into this announcement? I'm worried because I was just on vacation and I accidentally shattered my iPad screen and I paid to get it replaced and if there's a new iPad announced, I'll be really upset that I didn't just wait. So what you're saying is there will definitely be a new iPad. Yes, exactly. Yeah. So you can't have it or you don't want a new one to come out, one or the other. There you go. Right. Staying true to form. Well, they did book a 7,000 person auditorium for this particular announcement. So it kind of seems like, you know, Siri could be the headline, but there's got to be more than Syrian phones. I really want the Apple TV to be in there. There you go. Yeah. I really don't think the capacity of the auditorium has anything to do with it. I could be totally wrong. I think it means Masconi wasn't available. You don't think they make the Masconi available for Apple any time Apple wants the Masconi? Maybe they're going to do something with the movie. Oh, the Steve Jobs movie? Yeah. That would be hilarious. This has nothing to do with phones, guys. The movie is coming out. We're all excited about it. Am I imagining it or does the entire movie supposedly take place in the Bill Graham Civic Auditorium? It takes place in three different announcements. They may not be able to. I don't know. I'm a huge fan of the iPad and I feel like the iPad has, as you said, could have been marginalized and become a commodity at this point. I don't know what else there is to do with it other than add all the things we've been talking about. Force touch, better camera, et cetera. I think it would be cool if the iPad was updated in some significant way. There was rumor, I guess, of an even larger than the 10-inch one. A mega gigantic iPad. Yeah. That might be cool. I don't know. I think that would be a more exciting piece of news for me at least. The iPad is now starting to get a little slow with certain apps. I am willing to entertain the idea of replacing that. I don't need much. It just needs to be faster and a little slimmer and lighter, honestly, and I'll probably be in. I don't want it to be 12. I want there to just be a nice new 10. I live on my iPad Air 1 and I cannot come up with any reason why I need a new one, but if they came out with a new 9.7-inch, I probably would also. If nothing else to get the split screen and I don't remember if the new keyboard insertion point thingy, I think them. I'm not sure if that works on the iPad Air 1 or not. That might be enough to flip me over when iOS 9 comes out, but I don't know what it needs to do, but it should say blah, blah, blah, OLED, blah, blah, snapdragon, blah, blah, blah on it a lot. And it will. I'm going to log on. The chat room says the one more thing is Michael Fassbender. And he's available now. All right, our pick of the day comes from Rogue Tess who wanted us to imagine a stadium camera capturing us leaping out of our seat at the exact moment of a historic perfect game or a hat trick or a championship clinching field goal and wanted to recommend an app called FanPix, which partners with pro sports teams do that for you. Full disclosure, her daughter attended LSE with founder Dan Maggie and she being Rogue Tess is an unabashed fangirl. But it's kind of a cool idea. If you're into the sports and you want that picture of you at the moment that the walkoff home run happened, this could be a thing for you to check out. It's called FanPix. Maybe it could be you jumping out of your chair during the Apple announcement. They should do that with the Bill Graham Civic Auditorium. I want Kiss Cam. Kiss Cam at a Kiss concert? There you go. Okay, you get one, Tom. Thank you, Allison, me, Carboni. Send your picks to feedback at dailytechnewshow.com you can find my picks at dailytechnewshow.com slash pics. Couple of messages before we get out of here. We were mentioning the idea of 3D printing instruments on yesterday's show, someone wrote in. He said, you know, there are some pre-molded plastic instruments that are incredibly cheap trombones that cost 200 bucks compared to the metal starters that are about a thousand saxophones for 250 bucks compared to 1200. The problem becomes sound and tone. Right now, the sound for the trombone is not terrible, but the saxophone really sounds like a plastic saxophone. When you're trying to teach students what sound is good and bad, sometimes the instrument does matter. And that is another hurdle for 3D printing instruments particularly is you got to have the materials right. And when you're printing an instrument, it's one thing to say, oh, we can print a Strativarius like violin. It's another thing for it to have the proper material to make the tone that you want out of it. Isn't that the difference between a mockup and the real thing is whether it sounds good? I mean, that doesn't seem like a minor part of a musical instrument. It's sort of a major function of it. So it makes me wonder if you could ever with a composite like, you know, the way 3D printers do now, could you ever really get the right tone? Maybe you can. I don't know enough about it, but... Well, even, you know, if you talk to if you talk to super high-end musicians, they'll say that even instrument to instrument there's variations, even Strativarius to Strativarius there's variations. And I think that's where that sort of intangible, magical human artistry comes in of the guy, you know, crafting the individual instrument. Although I guess if you're at the beginner level or if you're me, you can just print out an instrument and then blame everything on the envelope. Well, it's a 3D instrument. What do you expect? We also got an email from Dante who said, if I went to a website, and I had confidence that that site was checking their own ads and weren't serving ones that contained malware or inappropriate content I would have no problem whitelisting that site. But I've yet to come across a site that either does this or has made me aware that they were doing this. He says, are there examples of cases where organizations have banded together to have a standard for content that is clear and acceptable? Yes, the ESRB for games. Most television or print ads are subject to strict standards on content, volume, length and size. Why can't websites be held to a similar standard? I'm sure if television shows had flashing moving ads that popped up during the middle of the show asking you to shoot three ducks to win a prize, people would be enraged. Enraged? Or delighted. Or playing along. It's hard to say. They do have flashing moving ads that jump up and people run across the screen. The only difference is, no, you can't shoot at them. Yeah, and you can't stop them. I'm thinking of sports particularly. And there is the Internet Advertising Bureau, which does have standards. I think what Dante is saying is there needs to be standards that very strictly say if you are serving malware on your site even if it's a third party advertiser providing it, you're responsible for it. And that third party advertiser is responsible for it. And he's wanting to shine the light of responsibility. So I know we have a few people in advertising in the audience. If you could shed some light on where the gap is, maybe that restriction already exists and it's an enforcement problem, we'd love to hear from you feedback at DailyTechNewsShow.com And that is it for the show. Great show, you guys. Thank you so much. Thank you. This is always so much fun to come and hang out. Yeah, absolutely. Justin Robert Young. We did. We valiantly filled in. Justin will hopefully be back. Well, he will be back actually next Friday. That's one thing to mention. We will be doing the show next Friday from DragonCon in Atlanta. It will be about a half an hour earlier. I think we're at four o'clock eastern time. So one o'clock pacific time. But it'll be out in the feed normally. And it will be a live show in front of the live audience. Veronica Belmont will be on. Jonathan Strickland, Justin Robert Young. So check that out then. For the meantime, thank you, Jeff Kanata. We have concerns.com. Go check it out, folks. Anything in particular to plug? Well, if you're, if you were listening to this and you're going to the Penny Arcade Expo this weekend in Seattle, it started today. It started right now. But I'm flying there tomorrow morning. We're doing a live. We have concerns on Saturday night. And my video game show DLC, we're doing a live panel for that at 1pm on Saturday. So if you happen to be going to PAX, we'd love to see you there. It'd be fun. Go check it out. You will not regret it. Thanks, Allison Sheridan. I do not regret having you on the show either. I'm glad, glad we, I'm glad we got to be on a show at the same time, instead of just making you fill in while I'm gone all the time. Well, that's fun. It's, it was fun filling them all you're gone to, but a lot more fun when you're here, I think. Podfeet.com. Go check out your podcast. What have you been up to lately? You're always up to something cool. Well, this week, I think my hobby is to try to see how many other people's podcasts am I going to be on in a single week? So I'm, I'm on here. I was on Clockwise. I'm on Mac Voices in about an hour. That's why I moved to Make Room for this. I'm going to be on a new show called The Parallels, which is Shelly Brisbane's new show, which is a blind person and a sighted person talking about a technology topic that isn't about accessibility. Oh, wow. It'll just be see what happens kind of thing. It sounds like a cool show. What are the different perspectives? Yeah, if it comes up. So we're going to be talking about how you learn technology stuff and just see what happens. We don't know. That's great. It's called The Parallels. Just started. I think there's one episode out there right now. So this would be, or maybe that was zero. This might be number one. I'm not sure. And then we might go on Sunday. Yeah. Sorry, what'd you say about Clockwise? I said, thank Clockwise for accommodating by. 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Talk to you then. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Get more at frogpants.com Primeman Club Hope you have enjoyed this program. Great show. Thanks. That was fun as always. What should we name it? Very natural. I have suggestions. Okay. But I don't have them yet. She has access to suggestions. Help us. It will be worldwide. And we're all done. No. We have new iPad concerns. That's fine. Which letter are you suing, EU? Pizza robots. Pizza robots. I hate to have that pronounced. Pizza big robot. Sorry. I can't put the pizza in the oven, Dave. Apple events seriously? Hmm. Any puns intended? Hmm. Microsoft gets a window into Apple. I like that. The force touches strongly rumored. Wow. That's a lot of things in one little sentence. I even dropped off with Apple just to shorten it. Any faves? What do you like? I like the force touch one. That's pretty good. The force touches strongly rumored. Strongly rumored. We're just in parens, too. I can't put the pizza in the oven, Dave. I'm sorry. I can't put the pizza in the oven, Dave. Help us, Obi Worldwide. You're our only phone. There are two phones, Dark Redeemer. Doesn't even make sense. We have new iPad concerns. It's pretty good, too. Fire the Fire phone? I'm not hearing a groundswell. Yeah. There's not one that rises above. I like the force touch one, I think. But, you know, that's because I'm a fan of Star Wars. I don't know. Well, there's also use the force touch. I like force touches strongly rumored. That's what we're going with. Any objections? Which one? The force touch is strongly rumored. Yay. And I didn't fall out of my chair. Force touch awakens. Force touch awakens is pretty funny. I'm just going to level 8. Well, so, Jeff, as you recall, probably, we just hang out while I edit. But go whenever you need to. I think I'm going to go. I didn't grab lunch before this. Yeah, go eat, man. Always fun. Thank you for having me. Nice to meet you. And thank you for the nice words about the show. Thank you. I didn't mean any of it. Just sucking up. All right, guys, take care. I really think. I mean, we all know Jeff's the stronger part of that team, right? Aww. Aww. That's fired. Do you want to come on the show and dispute it, Carbone? He will be on the show to dispute it unless I've just gone crazy and have started him. Carbone is scheduled for September the... God, he's so funny. By God, I know he's on the show. He is so funny. God, he slays me. At which point, when he's on the show, I will say, well, you know Anthony's the stronger one. Hold on. Now this is bugging me because I know I booked him. I just did it. Hey, Tom, have you looked at Alphonic for level 8-ing? No, I haven't. I just started playing around with it. It's supposed to do that new loudness thing all the kids are talking about. The what? Loudness standards. There's new loudness standards that... Paul Figiani is going berserk about it and trying to get everybody to... You know how you're driving in your car or you're jogging and also the next podcast is twice as loud as the previous one? It's supposed to address that. It's an actually supported tool, but it's... I haven't asked him whether I had to pay the business fee. The individual fee is 100 bucks for the software. Oh, wow. Okay. But if you have to buy the business one and I don't know where the cut point is of when you're a business or not, then it's like 400-500 bucks. I mean, usually with licenses like that, I prefer it when they don't try to pretend whether they know you're a business or not and just say, if you need this many licenses, it's this much. If you're only going to use one, it's this much. That's between individual, but it's individual, but it talks about whether you make money doing it. Yeah, I don't know. And that's a tough one. Yes, I do. Exactly. It's just kind of a nice thing to maybe have something in the back pocket in case Level 8 stops working. Yeah, I know. What's the name of it? Sorry, Al. Alphonic. Alphonic. I wrote to the guy and said, here's me. Do I qualify for individual? And he said, yeah. Oh, so he was just like, yeah. He doesn't want IBM coming in and paying out of it. I like to have it in writing, though. I'm one of those people who obeys licenses. What? I know. The question is, what are you doing out there? Said Henry David Thoreau when he got thrown in jail for disagreeing with a license for violating his terms of use. Anthony Carboni, apparently my timeline is all confused because Anthony Carboni was on this show in August. And I haven't rebooked him. You were just thinking of the fact that he was on recently. It's when you actually book a month or two in advance and then you've been in September so long that you're like, it's still August? I guess that's like Booker people problem. You've just become unstuck in time. I'm trying to put right what once went wrong. Yeah. But I clearly haven't solved that problem yet because I'm still here. Quantumly people. I really can't decide which t-shirt I want. Every time I listen I think, team dad joke? No dad joke. I don't know. Team dad joke is only the only sane choice. Really? But it's so funny when he tells him he can't. The way you support that is by wearing a team dad joke makes him even more more angry and appreciate your help on that important issue, Tom. Yeah, anytime. I'm happy. I also am trying to create a guerrilla campaign to encourage people to leave reviews on free of concerns. Oh. Because at the end of the show, those who don't know, they're always like, don't leave a review. Give us five stars but don't leave a review. I'm telling people, leave a review. Just to irritate them. Grassroots campaign. We should tell people to do that, probably. Yeah, probably. Hey! Review Daily Tech News Show, thanks! You know, one thing a lot of people don't know is you can do it once a year. 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And it could talk you out of getting one of your own. Air baby and baby. I also like my Uber baby. Both ways. Lift baby. Which is both the date of the service and the thing you have to do to accept the baby. And what you'll get arrested for. Yeah, right. Lift chocolate baby. It's just got all kinds of angles on it. All right, live folks and or people listening on the Treasure Chest full version and or people watching the YouTube video and or people watching the downloaded video. Don't forget to go to dailytechnewsha.com Oh, yeah. And fill out the survey. Thanks you. Thanks you. Thanks you. Thank you to the people who have already done so. We have some very informative, helpful and entertaining responses already. An anonymous. It sounds like I'm reading this, but I am not. You can tell if I'm reading something if I sound natural. Or if you sound like Jenny. If I sound like I'm reading it, it's off the cuff. It's the reverse. Well, I think I am done. I am out of the post. 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