 Chicken tastes good, that's my opinion. Chicken tastes good. Chickens taste good? Yeah, yeah, taste good. There's two part types of people, one who makes excuses and one who goes vegan. Yeah. Wait, listen, are we eating veganism? It's dumb. Where would you stand in the days of slavery? Would you be on the side of the slave owners? Against him, obviously, obviously. Oh, wait a second. Just ask where you are now with animal rights. You've watched my video and you're still not vegan yet. And in my head I'm like, I have no disagreement. Like I do everything, 99%. And I'm just, I guess I'm just too lazy to commit. So yeah, I watch the videos, I'm like, oh yeah, go Joey, go. I really, like it fits in morally with me, but I haven't made that commitment because I think I just, when I'm choosing the meats, I just suddenly, I'm like not thinking about it. Well, I think it's because you're not the victim. So if you were the victim, you'd have more of a sense of urgency, but you don't have a sense of urgency because it doesn't affect you, what happens to the animals? Yeah, I'd say that's, yeah, and like it's different. If I watched the videos, if I saw a slaughterhouse, I'm sure it would change massively, I'd hope. But yeah, when I see the videos, I'm like, oh, that's terrible, terrible. And then the next day I wake up and I'm boiling an egg or whatever. You're causing it to happen to them. Yeah, because I... You're part of the problem. If it was a human holocaust, you'd boycott all of the products of it. No, I agree with that. Yeah, yeah, I would. Yeah, because I buy the, I buy the egg. I think that the eggs, I think all the eggs, but it's the same because, you know, like the chicklets get the blender. It's terrible. It's really bad. It's so, yeah, I mean, it's just the, it's not even the laziness. It's just, I don't make that connection enough to finally say, okay, you know what, that's enough. Like I haven't, I don't play the, I guess I almost have to, I feel like I have to play those images in my head because I don't see it. It doesn't make sense. Like if I was seeing it every day, every day, I'm sure I would. It would be an easy thing. It's almost like you haven't said to yourself, well, you know, I'm morally against this. I'm causing it. I'm an animal abuser if I don't. And like there's no sense of accountability because if you walk around right now, you go and buy a burger. No one's going to hold you accountable if it's a meat burger. No one's going to say to you, oh, that's bad. You know, you have to tell yourself that's bad. You have to, you have to try to rationalize that with yourself, you know, but no one's going to come up to you and go, are you animal abuser? What are you doing killing that animal? Yeah, I think if that was the scenario where it was normal to not eat meat, then I would definitely, you wouldn't do it because there'd be so much pressure from other people. So, so yeah, there isn't a moral. I mean, this is anything to me. I eat meat all the time. No one, literally. So where would you stand in the days of slavery? Would you be on the side of the slave owners? Obviously, obviously. Just ask where you are now with animal rights. Do you know, I'm getting images of- Because it was traditional, it was normal, you know? Yeah, it's true. I mean, I suppose, I have to say I'm a hypocrite because I go and see the cows in the field and I'm like, oh, they're so cute. And I'm stroking them. And I was actually, I was talking with my friend about, I says it's kind of weird that we actually eat, maybe not this, probably this cow, but we eat them. And it's like, oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, well, it's like, it's weird. It's, well, it's not weird. It's, yeah, it's just, it's illogical, I guess. Yeah, I mean, I think- I think maybe if you're faced with the animal, every time you had to eat them, you had to kill an individual and cut their head off, you wouldn't do it. No, there's absolutely no, there's no doubt. And it would be the same with the, I mean, I don't, yeah, I eat eggs, I don't eat milk because of the lactose. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I eat eggs and cheese and meat. I say I put down on meat, but it's still meat, you know. Everyone cuts down. Yeah, I cut down, I eat less, I eat a little bit of meat. Every meal. It's true, it's true. I know it's not, it's not healthy either because my Michael Estles are like, they're not that great. So I know that if I stopped it, but I know it's, I just haven't, I don't know, at what point that switch is gonna happen. Well, you're close because you called yourself a hypocrite, which is pretty close. That's where I was a while back. I said, well, I don't want anyone to hurt a dog. I'm eating cows, I'm a hypocrite. And I saw people who were like, save the whales and they were eating steak. Although they were against palm oil and they were eating steak. And I was like, these are hypocrites as well. I knew what a hypocrite was. And that was the first step. But then the next step was like one day I just went, you know what? I don't want to be a hypocrite anymore. And I'm gonna take action in that direction. I just cleared out the stuff the next day and started, and I just did it. I just went ahead and did it, you know what I mean? I think that's, I'm getting there because I've watched, I don't see what's, pretty much all of your videos. I've seen all the recent ones. I think the one that they did with the swans, like last week, I've watched all of them. Oh, and it's so strange that it's like I'm there, but I'm not there because I'm not making those, I mean, I'm scratching the surface. I tried different foods. I mean, yeah, I mean, it's doable, I mean. You know, there's, there's, the January is coming up. I, I, you mentioned that's like, it's just 30 days of, of the, just being in, being in, basically. You could sign up to that and then you do it as a big, it's like a big thing and you just, you don't commit to the rest of your life. You're committing to 30 days and then it's a bit smaller in your mind. And after that 30 days, you can go, well, wait a second, was that really that hard? Okay, that could be good because it becomes, I guess it would be my new normal at the end. If I'm okay at the end of it. You're not committing to your lifetime. James, you're just committing to 30 days. Yeah, yeah, I reckon that's doable. Yeah, I mean, I've even thought about my meals for the day. I'm like, a lot of them are vegan-friendly. There's just probably two meals a day, I guess, pretty much. I have porridge every day with oat milk and jam and I had that for about 31 years or so. So you're on your way there, but you just need to, you need to make a commitment to yourself. I have to make that decision and then be like, this is it today. I think you're in a comfort zone. I think you need to put yourself in the animal's position and go, is what you're doing good enough for them? I think I have to really think. As if it was a human holocaust, you would boycott it straight away. If it was dog meat, you would boycott it straight away. For some reason, no, no, where it is, you've been conditioned to think these animals, they don't matter as much, but we need to get out of that mindset because they do feel the same pain as a dog. They suffer the same. They're worthy of their lives and you're contributing to their pain and suffering misery. I think the connection is kind of there, I guess, because I don't really think of cows, cows and pigs now for me. I think of them, I mean, really similar to dogs. Like it's getting there, and I see the video, I go on YouTube and watch the videos just to make that. It's a bit sad that I have to make that connection, but because I'm not seeing it, I haven't seen, I've never seen an animal being killed. I don't care if they're fishing me, but I've never seen the stuff that you've seen, you know? And there's sanctuaries, too, where you can go and meet these animals and realize they have their own personalities, they're all individuals, like... Yeah, I've never been, never been. I've been to a farm as a kid, but I didn't think about it as well, so... I'm there, I'm nearly there, I'm nearly there. But I like the January thing, I think that's... You should do the January... Yeah, here's a little guide as well. I mean... Yeah. So easy to be vegan, man. One month, and then I'll see how I feel. Yeah. Veganism's easy when you think of the victims. Yeah, as long as I keep thinking of that. Because, like I said, I don't see it, and then... It's like you say to me, I'm shopping now, and sometimes I hear your words, like... Like, this is the murder isle, and you see it. Do you know what I mean? I get like... I can hear Joe's word, oh, this is actually... Really? This is weird, like... The butchered isle, you know? And then I go away from it. Up in inside of a slaughterhouse, okay? And it smells the same as a butcher or the meat aisle. It's got that same smell of death. Yeah, yeah, the blood in there. The blood in the fear and the smell of, like, dead bodies, like, cold dead bodies. It smells like that inside of a slaughterhouse. Okay, oh, wow, that's weird, yeah. Yeah, I can imagine... So you can imagine me being in a slaughterhouse seeing animals being slaughtered. And then coming out and walking past the butcher, it reminds me of that. It's horrible. Okay, because you have that link, the connection... Directly. You have to make that connection, I think. But I'm gonna... I'll do that. I'll do it. I'll do it for January, or what? Yeah, I'll do it, yeah, I'll do it. Sick, man? I'll... I'll do it, I'll do it, I'll do it. I'll do a thing thing, I'll try it. You know what? Once you know it's wrong, every single day you're not doing something about it, you are a conscious animal abuser through lifestyle. Every day, a single day, you don't do something about it. You're consciously being cruel to these beings that you know that they deserve to respect, you know? Yeah, that's true, because every meal that's... It's like, it's a lot, it's a lot. All right, all right, gotta get going anyway, but... Thanks, brother. Can I get a picture of you? Yeah, of course, yeah, let's go. You know, it's funny, why even set up a table when people don't even bother sitting down? I think that's quite funny, but... See that guy there? Really close. He was me seven years ago, you know? Really gotta do something about it. If I met me seven years ago at that point, like, sitting here, we would have had a similar conversation, but with me, I'm a more person who takes action. So, like, if I want to do something, I'd do it, and I'll go for it. I don't think we should let fear hold us back. Don't let your comfort zone hold you back. If you feel like something's wrong in your heart, you have to act on it, you know? Don't be complacent. Complacency kills. When you stand back and watch what goes on to animals, and you don't do something about it, you're not, you know, you're watching something, a part of history that is gonna end soon, and you're gonna ask yourself, you're gonna talk to your grandchildren, you're gonna say, which side was I on? Are you gonna tell them that you didn't bother, you know, you were too caught up with convenience, and, you know, I knew what was wrong, I didn't say anything. Are you gonna be that person? Are you gonna be someone who says, you know what? I knew what was wrong, and I took action, and I was part of the progressive movement that changed history, that left that as a dark part of history. So, what side are you on? Hey, guys. Don't be shy. There's this 47 cameras on you, that's all. No. You guys vegans? What do you got? Greg's Sausage Rolls? Yeah. No, so what's this one? They're wedges. Oh, no. I didn't know they did wedges. Yeah, they didn't really do, they were like 50p. 50p for wedges? I need them. Oh, they're like family and friends of vegan. Yeah, my mum loved you. Really? My sister's 16, and she did, like, a vlog here. Is that right? No, no. No, no, no. And she came to watch you talk of vegan kampau, and she's only 16, and she's turned all like family vegan. Oh, really? Yeah. What's her name? Hella. Hella, hella. Let's give her a shout out. Shout out to Hella. Turn to whole family vegan. Good. That's epic. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you guys too. Have a good Christmas. Vegan Christmas. Yeah, yeah, I will do. You too. Take care. See you later. Hella, turn to whole family vegan. Wow. Why is it worse to kill a human? I want to know why it's worse if it's not brain capacity. Because we're human beings, and we shouldn't kill other human beings. And law as well, of course. No, no, no, no, no. We're not going to talk about law because what's legal hasn't always been moral.