 Good afternoon all and welcome to the City of Santa Rosa design review board on the second day of January 2020 Happy New Year to everyone Call the meeting to order and I'll ask for a roll call Patty Let the record reflect that all board members are present except for Vice Chair Hedgepeth and board members Sharon Thank You patty and Item number two is approval of the minutes We have in our packet item 2.1 minutes from December 19th any comments Corrections I found a typo under Item 6.2 Underboard comments it says paint color three lose better needs a K Paint color three looks better on the rendering than on the color board evaluate to avoid hospital beige. It's like the Third or fourth sentence there That's the only thing I found great any other comments Hearing none the minutes will be put into the record with a comment on the looks versus lose. Thank you Hey item number three board of business. This is where I read aloud the purview of the design review board Project review the review authorities shall consider the location design site plan Configuration and the overall effect of the proposed project upon surrounding properties and the city in general Review shall be conducted by comparing The proposed project to the general plan any applicable specific plan applicable zoning code standards and requirements Consistency of the project within the city's design guidelines architectural criteria for special areas and other applicable city requirements i.e. city policy statements or development plans So that's the purview of this board versus any other board or commission in the city of Santa Rosa At this time, I'd like to open up public comment for any items not on today's agenda But would be under the purview of the designer view board Seeing no one approached the microphone. I will close public comment And we'll move on to Abstain statements of abstention by board members any board members need to abstain from our item 6.1 Seeing no one we will move on to our scheduled item Item 6.1 is a concept design review of the boys and girls club Roseland on zero Sebastopol Road file number dr 19-090 and I believe planner to man's has a brief presentation for us Thank You chair concave and members of the design review board happy new year The first item for the year 2020 is a concept review for the boys and girls club of Sonoma Marin in Rosalind village I Want to keep my presentation brief to give the applicant time for their presentation? They're proposing it to construct a new two-story 23,600 square foot boys and girls club for the Rosalind area and The entitlements that are required as a minor use permit approved by the zoning administrator and major designer view Here's a context map that the applicant provided showing the proposed boys and girls club It's located Directly behind the gas smart near the foster freeze and here's an aerial view of the project site It's currently vacant Here's a conceptual site plan of the proposed structure with parking to the rear in access along shared property line with The gas smart the applicant provided conceptual rendered elevations seen on this slide They also provide provided proposed landscaping plans and also conceptual colors and materials for the proposed building The property has some dual zoning and dual general plan designations It's a mixture of retail medium residential and medium Residential for the general plan and it's a mixture of CG and R3 R3 18 But the use is allowed in both zoning districts and as proposed the As a concept it meets all the step back in height requirements, so it's It meets the requirements as far as development standards for both zoning and general plan designations And with that I'll give the floor unless you have questions for the staff. Oh Give the floor to the applicant I think we can hold questions still both presentations are finished. So Steve the floor is yours Steve McCullough with OSL properties, and I think we have you outnumbered tonight I've got rich cooms and Natalie Balfour of the airport business center I've got Michelle Edwards of the boys and girls club of snowman Marin Behind me. I have Robert South our architect and behind him Greg wonky our designer and Jennifer Lemoli our landscape architect and Paul Barthelot of Belgium races with us today in case you have any civil engineering technical questions The Project kind of speaks for itself as far as the use and everything But I'd like to ask rich cooms to come up because he's been Involved with the boys and girls club of snowman Marin for many years and specifically involved in kind of this location And this project and he can give you some history and and how we as OSL properties got involved. Okay, Rich so I'm here under a concept. It's quite unique. It's that Rent a developer for free concept that was started about 30 years ago by Supervisor Nick Esposti When we developed the boys and girls club of Windsor That started and was extremely difficult We had to build first a small main building years later. We raised enough money came back and Built the gym next door Since that day I've been heavily involved with the boys and girls club Before it was boys and girls club of snow Marin that created that was created by a merger And they're now 22 locations and snowman Marin counties that are represented by the organization serving Thousands of children everywhere What happened is for about the last 10 years I think could be that or a little less Jennifer Weiss has talked to me about the need in the Roseland area and again as a developer I kept saying our problem is funding It's always funding. How do we find the base? Where are the companies when we did it in Windsor? We went around to every company we knew of that was Donating or contributing or building or doing something in Windsor and we got them all to put up money At that point Art Cognati was a significant contributor to that club. That's why we ended up being successful So this time she would talk to me I would say I can't see it and then we started to gain real momentum about halfway through this year She came again and said that this land that she has been eyeing for over five years looked like it was going to come out of the market couldn't we do something and we ended up ended up having lunch with bill galher And we started talking about the plan that the county has next door For the all of the housing that you already approved And this property started to sort of lay out to be an amazing location for a Boys and Girls Club And never in my wildest dreams personally I went to him for a matching contribution With some other efforts that we were doing and what gained his interest was the idea of just doing the entire project Which sort of fits his personality. So He is intending he and his family and Cindy intend to purchase the property a week from tomorrow and then design it Build it and then furnish it All as a donation from their family to this community I find it extraordinary. I'm a little stunned My job is to get this part done Get through the process move quickly And with the hopes of starting construction this spring so that we can have children in there no later than the summer of 2021 Those are the ideas that he put forward He would love to do it if it was fun And if it could get put in and done quickly And I want to commend the staff our first meetings with staff have been amazing I personally haven't developed in Santa Rosa for a while I have read in the paper about the efforts Santa Rosa has been making to streamline their process and I'm Really impressed personally with the responsiveness the fire department everybody's working on this collaboratively Of which we very appreciate We look forward working with you taking your comments and just moving forward to final design review The secret documentation is in process. It looks like we'll qualify for Infill exemption the attorneys are working on that Traffic study has been done soils It is a bare police of property that is completely graveled. There isn't one plant on it So that gets us through all the biological So we're really really excited about how far along this already looks like it's moving And we look forward to your comments and I will turn it over to robert south who's the architect that designed this beautiful building. Thank you Thank you rich robert south here Chairman concave members the board has been Been a nice ride here looking at the opportunity that's here before us We're starting to look at the site in the context of this neighborhood It's semi industrial it's service oriented there are restaurants there There is the rosalind school About a block away The entire neighborhood is flat roofed low You know rambling And our our goal here, I think as we stated before is is to get something that will entice the children to actually use this facility We're looking at k through 8 With in the future to just to the east to provide a teen center But looking at our basic concept the the building blocks The massing it is It's set by the the scale the scale and the scope of size of a high school gymnasium for basketball We relocated that in the rear of the facility And used potentially Flat roofs where we could and took from this radiating arch form of the gymnasium roof To spread that that same that same roof shape Over the central second floor That's an open space with clear story windows And then using that same form Anywhere there's a there's an entry point In use of materials, you know historically santa rosa when it kind of grew up and During the railroad era there was a lot of brick. So we've incorporated brick as as kind of a tie to the past And a sense of permanence as a material And then try to use playful forms with The steel trusses that are painted out And mirroring that color in our window frames, for instance And just trying to present a fresh look to to the neighborhood The other main material is the roofing. We're looking at, you know, a A metal roofing on the curved shapes and Flat roof elsewhere Inside the forms, you know, there are various kitchens, dining areas, classrooms We tried to tie those all together into the central core Large room both upstairs and downstairs And as I say having the clear story windows on the on the upper floor with the arch roof form I There may be questions coming down the road if you wanted if you want to ask questions now in order if that is appropriate Yeah, that's uh Your presentation is finished. We'll go ahead and move into questions We'll start with drew questions for staff or the applicant Excuse me. Uh, happy new year everyone Bill and chris and a can you remind me the I remember seeing the project to the northeast As a concept design to be actually a proven as a board we did I must have been absent at that meeting then I remember seeing the original presentation and I think I think it was maybe absent Okay, that makes sense So I just wanted to make sure that was correct because I my memory was not as good as I thought um, the only other kind of staff question I had uh, was related to Um Chris and I were talking about the zoning um Is there a specific requirement In the zoning regarding You were talking about it met the setbacks, but the setback on the west side Seems a little shallow to me and maybe I'm just Not remembering that particular part of the zoning code 10 feet seems shallow. I would think it may be 15 But if it's 10 great that works for me. I just wanted to double check that So I believe that the setback is five feet on the interior side Well, cool. That's perfect. Uh, those are my only questions. I don't have any I have comments, but those are my questions Thank you. Drew Henry questions for the applicant or staff question for the applicant. Um, there's There's the rendering set which Is on the boards and then it looks like there's a more developed um exterior elevations in the set our Our is the intent to get our comments on the renderings or on the further developed exterior elevations To the extent possible those are identical One is hand drawn one is in CAD Yeah, there are there's additional information on the the CAD set in terms of Heights of building To me it looks like the CAD elevations are much taller not much taller. They're taller than the renderings And I'll get I'll get into that when I get into comments But I just if if the intent is the renderings and the CAD are are similar and you want our comments kind of grouped together then that's That's kind of what I was uh where I was headed with that and then in the section You've got a 22 foot ceiling in the flex space. What what was what's the intent of that flex space? Why why the tall ceiling? You're talking about the upstairs space Each floor has a 12 foot ceiling 22 feet Uh, I don't see where you're reading 22 feet what we have is a clear story above the 12 foot second floor ceiling An expressed arch roof, you know over that second floor open space It's a large space and it opens to several classrooms upstairs Can we pull up sheet a 3.1? Maybe it'll help me understand the section a little better Let's talk about it. You may not have that sheet. That's part of that This dimension here. Yes It looks like it's page six. Yeah, I went right there Okay, so This you can't quite see it but that dimension is 22 feet to that what appears to be the underside of Another bowed truss To the spring line of the trunk truss So that would leave that would suggest to me that that space Underneath here is 22 22 feet in height. Yeah, that's okay. I agree From a from a facility standpoint, you know why and what that space is intended to be used for I mean, it's almost another basketball court It's it's considerably smaller than a basketball court if you're going to have a 12 foot ceiling Height and you're going to have some structure And then you're going to have clear stories above that so that there's a certain minimum height that's going to be there if if you're committed to clear story windows And that is basically an interior space So that was the reason to to bring in the outside light with the clear stories. That's where the height came from Okay, and then and then the The target height over here for the clear space for the basketball area is 36 feet That's the recommendation for a high school gymnasium In our research Okay, I think that's it for me right now. I've got comments, but Thanks, Henry Questions for staff for the applicant Oh, yes question for the applicant I'm curious on I was kind of trying to look at especially the with the site plan You've kind of highlighted to you know, recreational or community uses in the Boys and Girls Club and then the teen center or future library or teen center, I guess And That's just struck me as you know, you're you're making a suggestion about, you know, the uses and complementary uses And I was wondering how you have kind of the main entrance looks like it's on the south that the southern kind of side or the southern facade South part of the building and it's And it seems a little I guess I was just wondering how you arrived with the main entrance there as opposed to off of the east East side of the the building that seems more of a kind of direct relationship, but just wondering how you arrived with that and how You know, how you envision I guess that circulation working in the broader broader context, especially with the major development to the east Uh, your point is well taken We we wanted to establish An identity from Sebastopol Road Uh, the height of the building adds to that There's a six foot fence between the mini mart in our site So you'll see quite a bit of our building from Sebastopol Road And we wanted to establish our presence From Sebastopol Road. Okay Yeah, we can get to the rest of it. I guess in comments, but that was my main kind of circulation related question at the moment, so thanks Eric questions Just a few so we're the teen center is proposed that parcel is not currently owned and by the Boys and Girls Club Or is it part of this con land purchase contract? Rich comes again the the teen center started where it all started The vintners event that was held this last september picked the Boys and Girls Club as their main beneficiary That's what got me started. I was amazed. They were willing to do this I went to bill to talk about that That's a third of an acre that is currently owned by the county of Sonoma And they want to partner with The Boys and Girls Club as we look at it But they also maybe want to look at a possible location for library and a bunch of different things So that's out in the future sometime What what got this over the hump was just separating the uses and saying That the teens someday will come over and use the gym But the segregation will be by age types then and and that's something we haven't been able to achieve in many of the other clubs Which is amazing So that's out there in the future None of that has gotten far enough along more than just that conceptual drawing But the county is committed to the idea of having the Boys and Girls Club function there And then what about the parking area just directly north of the teen center? All part of the midpen county of the that whole project that you've already reviewed is all part of that We will probably proceed Midpen as well The way it looking originally I was told they're really far along but we're we're going to move at a pace That's faster and we're going to have to Integrate some of the sidewalk components to get the kids from the rosland school over there So we'll we'll be building part of that pass system to get over there But that parking won't be there when we start that that's really more for midpen And the teen center possibly the library and all that That that was all done as a separate approval before we ever got involved So for staff, what's the parking requirement then for the For the proposal Yeah, we have that we haven't turned it in yet. We'll turn that in between now and and It's for it's 30 Spaces Which we meet and that's based on it's extremely hard on all this with traffic and parking It's the closest thing we could come to for parking was a daycare center for traffic that doesn't even work because When you have one of the key elements of a boys and girls club is a voluntary place For children to come that you are not They're most of them are going to be walking from the elementary school With a company by staff to come on over It's very unusual and it doesn't nicely fit any category, but we felt that the parking for a Daycare center was the closest concept in our consultant mark crane agreed And so that lays out at 30 parking spaces Based on the number of children we anticipate and so that'll all be turned in before your next before your final design review okay And then I guess a couple questions in regards to Uh the wall the east wall where the marquis sponsor Is currently says poppy bank. Yes. Are there future plans for that wall or is it just gray cement with a marquis sponsor there? Right now. It's concrete. They I think it's an opportunity Architecturally and and art wise to do something with it again. We're hoping to finalize some of that between now and then Um, I I had my own personal opinions. I'm being overruled because I'm not putting up any of the money I'm just volunteering my time. Yes. She's laughing I I you know There were we had original design That showed children at play that jennifer weiss who couldn't be here today due to some family circumstances She rolled that one out. So yeah, I I'm anticipating that's an opportunity to do something else. She's meeting with the Uh art council people and I think there's a tremendous opportunity there personally And then the last question I I see there's a heavy heavy emphasis on basketball There is a heavy emphasis on basketball Are there Is it possible to in to include? Soccer into those feel I believe indoor indoor soccer. Absolutely. Is it is a component of this? Yes, okay Those were my questions. Thank you I coached girls basketball for years that has nothing to do with this I Thanks, Eric And Eric covered most of my questions. I don't know that we can get into too many more details on accessibility and and how all the circulation works, but Next time you guys come through it'd be good to have more of that information about How that access is going to get you know, what you're actually going to build Ahead of midpen if you go ahead of it that sort of thing would be yeah would be interesting to note Because there's obviously some pinch points in this with vehicular traffic versus pedestrian traffic and Just for safety purposes it'd be good to have all that thought out, which I'm sure you will But we'll make sure we do now Okay Even though this isn't a public hearing we like to welcome the public comment So I will open a public comment on item 6.1 anybody wishing to speak directly on this item Please go ahead and approach the podium And seeing nobody approach the podium. I will close public comment We'll bring it back to the board And this is where we'll just have kind of an informal dialogue on some comments We try and keep even though we're in this fancy big room trying to keep concept review pretty informal and bounce thoughts and suggestions off each other Drew why don't you kick us off? Thank you So I do a lot of school design myself in our firm and Your basketball court area isn't big enough The court is the area around it is not if that makes sense. So, uh, regulation courts are 50 by 84 Which it appears that you have and then, uh the Regulating bodies that be They don't require but they encourage strongly encourage 10 feet on all four sides of the basketball court with a minimum of three feet For safety for safety zones. And so if you truly want to get it up to a high school competition level court Your area needs to be 70 by 104 In that area So that's your 10 feet and also it looks like you have eight feet on two sides and maybe Three or four feet on the east and west right now So just something to think about um and then also The minimum requirement for height in a gymnasium is 24 feet not 30 whatever You guys have and that's the requirement For basketball equipment. I just did a multi use like a year and a half ago So the basketball equipment, um, obviously the nets the hoops, right? If they're motorized and they go up and down and what have you 24 feet is the minimum for that So obviously you can always go higher, but there's uh, some expense associated with that for longer Basketball hoops and structure to hold them on all those types of things. So I know you guys are trying to save a little bit of money So it may be Non-profit project you may want to start thinking about lowering that that ceiling height in there to 24 feet. That's the minimum But with the arch you'll obviously get some additional height in that zone sure As well if that's the the the the architectural form you choose to go with in that area So just kind of overall so I read the design What would the design concept The design narrative I should say and I kind of disagree with the narrative Um, so the the narrative talks about use of bold colors to encourage K through 8 students to participate Nothing about this color scheme is bold to me at all For educational projects, you know colors that are playful and bold Are yellows and oranges and greens and purples and things that smack you in the face Quite frankly and this is a business part color scheme in many ways To me So if you want to be bold and inviting Be bold and inviting Don't don't you know kind of use red brick and beige Which is what's on the color scheme right now? And that doesn't mean I don't like the brick I actually like the design concept about the brick and The the railroad pass and whatnot. I mean the brick could be used in that way But you know use some other colors to to to amp it up In terms of playful form again, I I don't feel that the form of this building is very playful the kind of circular drum spring arch if you will is very reminiscent of Some other schools in town that were designed in like the 90s in the early 2000s And doesn't really fit the architecture in this area of santa rosa um, I mean if you want to talk about schools that were done recently in this area rosalind elementary, uh, which is like Three blocks away right something like that um, it has flat roofs and shed roofs and butterfly roofs And those sorts of elements it doesn't have any of this type of architectural styling And then a lot of the commercial elements along this corridor don't have any of this type of architecture They are flat and shed and those types of things. So if you want to borrow from the neighborhood And also the recent educational projects in the area This this is a departure from that and i'm not sure it's a bold departure. I'm it to me it's a backwards departure So I would explore forms that are More modern and more playful To me this is very Antiquated is the wrong word, but it's not a modern design to me So glulam beams metal trusses they could all work within these spaces um So just something to think about and then I agree with uh, henry kind of about What's going on in that flex space? uh He and I were kind of talking before the meeting started about this. Uh, we actually I prefer and I'll let henry speak for himself. I think you'll agree We actually like the the massing in the renders as opposed to the massing shown in the probably revit. I would guess maybe or autocad um Because what's nice about this is it's very balanced across the entire Kind of scheme that you've got the same kind of eyebrow line for everything The pop up above the flex base and also the gym is is is uniform And then it's got the other elements that are taken away from it from a massing standpoint. And so it's very It's a much cleaner Form massing form than the the the autocad revit version Um, so I would prefer The hand drawn elements as opposed to the Computer drawn elevations. I get that right Could I ask for clarification? So if I understand and I get it when I'm looking at it So if if the gym is higher than it need be You would suggest Bringing it down so that it aligns more there than these these guys line up right now Okay, the top of that got it if you will Even though it doesn't have a ridge really, um, but yeah the tops that seem to line up They're very so if if we have the room in terms of the height Doesn't need to be that high. We could bring it down into conformance. Yeah, I think it's a It's a stronger It feels the gym feels kind of too big at that height Um to me with the adjacent building I think And so if it was and and then I look at the rendering the rendered ones It seems to the the massing seems to feel right Okay, that makes sense and then my other point of clarification is if we could go back to the interior floor plan Um I think we thought we could not extend closer than 10 along that western edge. So if we can go to five Without coming forward anymore Then you're suggesting we need to pick up ideally 10 feet from the from the Uh Edge of the Gymnasium, you know from the edge of the court on both ends. Yeah, so three feet So the way this works is if you have three feet on all four sides, it's kind of the minimum record. It's not ideal, right? Because obviously trust me I coached. Yeah. Yeah, I coached, you know But if you can amp that up, I mean this is eight. So if this became eight and this became eight So my my question for clarification is if if we and again, it's the Side of the bill if we went, uh, west five feet and picked up a little bit also Forward I'd have to relook at the setbacks That that would would that be okay from your standpoint? Yeah, as long as it meets the setbacks and five on that side. Yeah, if you can steal some Right, I mean, it's always a game of feet and inches, right? I mean, well, it totally was I mean this site came as is and we said we got to have a gem It's always a game of inches, right? It's always it's always. Oh, hey, there's a there's an easement there There's a this there. There's a that there. So I totally I'm respected of that You know might be something to look at. Oh, we do have to get the foot. We'd have to recheck that with the fire department. Okay Oh, although I think they were okay. Yeah, we would reject but we'll take a look as long as We'll check it out. We'll check. We'll check all those things out. I encourage you guys to look at it seems like you're Kind of in between come, you know, what would be comfortable? Okay And then my only other I mean, I I do like I was negative about the color scheme, but I do like that the color scheme Is integrated throughout right so you're taking elements from here and you're putting them here All right, so if you continue to do that, that's great, but I would just encourage you to go bigger and bolder And then beyond that I think those are all The comments I have I like the metal roof metal roofs are great. They're gonna hold up a long time Same thing with you know tpo or pvc or whatever you use for your flat roofs EPDM they'll last a long time so And then I guess maybe the only other thing is it's not really expressed Uh a lot on here, but I I like the uh The the windows appear to be a little larger in the claristory areas in the gym Uh on the hand rendered version versus the CAD And I think the the scale of those windows in the claristory for the gym seem to work a little bit better On the rendering as opposed to the autocad Okay version I think that's Great those are all my comments Thank you drew Henry a couple of things I I um Love the project actually I think it's I think it's great. Thanks. I think we like hearing that. Uh, I can't wait to Congratulate bill and sydney on this undertaking truly special but back to Drew's comment, which I think is valid and if if people are coming into the gym this way They're going to have to go at that end line to get to the bleachers But but maybe the maybe because the parking's in the back that these will become the main entries so it's Maybe less a little less critical But I'd still love to see that that space on the end lines and as I read the site plan You've got 19 feet of Landscaping and sidewalk here and I wouldn't I wouldn't mind seeing this building come Um In an easterly direction and split the two of those we put in clarification We've been working through an issue with our neighbor to the north and it was Regarding some easements he previously held and would he be willing to sell without him and we we just recently Sent him the documentation to reduce an easement that he held They used to be 20 feet wide which he didn't need down to 10 So we were under some site constraints up until I don't know. I was doing that work with him I think he got sent over there yesterday. So I think we might have a little more flexibility right there We will take a look at that Okay, and christin if you could flip to a 1.1 Which is back in that set And then quickly flip to the to the sheet forward out of that And then back My I like this so much better than the other one Um, partly big just because of the proportions of it And and maybe there's a certain sweetness to seeing hand-drawn renderings because we don't do that anymore hardly do you? Okay They may start this way and and and it but it quickly gets put on into autocad But I I just I love I love this. Um, the window is kind of getting up closer to the underhangs And if you go to the next sheet, uh Yeah, there's a there's a huge space in there Yeah, uh and then and I don't mind I don't mind the gem being taller, but I think I think 24 feet Is is maybe the minimum and and maybe the other one what what it's at is too high, but Whatever this massing ends up being I think this can be can be lower and and butt into it if you go back Go back one This this roof line actually happens to hit fairly close to The bow trust. Yeah, and I like that as well. I see that I did too I I I see it runs past it here and and drops down and maybe this is maybe this is more development But I I just I just like the massing and the form that these elements take on And I just encourage you to bring it back along those lines. Okay, um, I This this like where Eric was going with this I think this is a great opportunity to do something a little bit different. I the the vertical Screed in the in concrete in a wood frame building makes Makes it too foe for me. I don't really like foe things If it's going to be stucco do it in stucco and divide it up or do an art artistic piece where it's a mural of some sort Lots of like you actually what you said rich was it's an opportunity to do some some different things there I'm teasing the boys and girls. What? What's uh, what's intriguing in this for me? I'm not normally the middle man So you can imagine my life. I've got the boys and girls covered all their criteria and then I got bill galler So yeah, I've been having fun I I originally envisioned maybe taking the Poppy and doing it in Tile or something and and really making a statement and again integrating to the playfulness that you talked about within the Neighborhood and the colors and I got shot down The uh, so um, we'll relook at that. I've got a little more ammunition Hopefully we'll revisit. Um, I'll be in trouble for this comment. Yeah, I've even telling you that I Excuse me. Excuse my language Yeah, thanks steve But yeah, I get it. You're saying we might be better off having that be more of a stucco finish rather than try and Change the element that's there. Okay. I'm okay with it being something different or more Uh, congruence with the rest of the of the building and the other materials I just don't think a material change is needed there It I know why probably why I would be guessing why the architect did it that way it was to Uh, it it it's such a big element to do something totally different than the rest of the building Right. I think it could be done in a in a different way um And maybe it's maybe it integrates some of that color that the drew was speaking to and I The color scheme is nice, but it's it's I think you can stretch it. I think I think I like the brick element I like the curve, but I should I've I've been You know curve in a gym kind of speaks to it And I like that you pulled it over to to some of the other elements, but the stucco colors And bringing back something more vibrant to it. And I think that would I think that's it for me. Thanks Henry Brett Yeah, thank you Great idea great vision I really want to help you get it, you know get it going and Especially with the adjacent development kind of looking at you know, this thing as a massive kind of community Center and And how to you know, how can we best you know integrate into to that neighborhood that new neighborhood as well So I think my my biggest Questions or concerns are just about the circulation and main entry Um, it looks like maybe there's where you've labeled the main entry There might be opportunity to move that to the to the east side or something like that at least in terms of the way things kind of line up And that way it's a little bit more It's a little bit more obvious and intuitive in terms of the the entry point because on the in the elevations Both of those entry points both the one on the south and the east are Mass very similarly In east elevation. Yeah so Don't know if that's if that's helpful at all But it looks like at least in terms of internal circulation you might be able to you know accommodate if I can speak to that I think we're really looking at this that There's two entrances and based on setbacks sideyards all this kind of stuff It it worked well to have both both going into a main common area What but they do you can't even imagine I think bill himself set in on four or five meetings with Jennifer on the layout of the interior the the key element there is safety So there's tremendous emphasis on creating no dark corners Nowhere a child can get behind something and all these kind of things So as you enter into that you're really opening up into the space and you can come in from both directions But the the south then faced Sebastopol road and so we deem that to be quote the main entrance But there'll be a dual entrance and the parking is then situated directly Halfway, you know this the 90 is adjacent and then Then the staff will park in the back and walk in and and come in kind of from the From the rear of the building coming in through the gym So it again, we were very very constrained on the site as you can well imagine Yeah, I guess just like the I understand the presence on Sebastopol, you know and kind of being behind the The gas station and everything. Yeah, and then, you know, basically It seems just like that main entrance that side that south side is more of just a A breakout kind of area at least the way the current design New current design shows. Yeah, we're we're signing both as entrances. So, okay Um Let's see. Uh, one of the things uh, you talked about basically, um, you know enticing children to use this facility and just wondering about the access points from Sebastopol road, you know, there's a lot of um, you know traffic and pedestrian traffic coming across that and so I'm wondering if there's any Maybe this is a question for staff, but wondering if there's any Um provision to provide a clear sidewalk to and from The site along it looks like a new a new curb cut or a existing curb cut adjacent to Foster's freeze That would just be a something to consider in terms of, you know, clear access from Sebastopol road um, I get everything is paved right now, but, um Just wondering if there's a possibility to make Make that clear Again safer instead of walking just on, you know, basically a cut through Yeah, we're we're dealing with other people's properties is one problem and when we do infill What what the boys and girls club Currently plans is they'll bring the children down to that intersection where it's lighted come across go North of the proposed Boys and girls club, uh teen center and then walk over and they walk accompanied Now that's not to say there won't be other kids coming from other areas because they will so it's a very good comment But we'll certainly meet with the gas station foster freezes shoved way up next to that Edge of pavement there might be a little bit of room on the other side with the gas station to get something through there And we'll evaluate that. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, just something to consider Yeah, no, I I got we looked at that we um, again, it's tough. It is tough. It's an infill Okay And then I just wanted to kind of I I think I echo the same kind of comments that drew Had brought up just about the context. Um, you know, there's some really interesting things that midpen is kind of proposing especially, um, you know temporary plaza and things like that associated with Um, you know the community in in it's basically an interim project and um, a couple of other ideas that they're that they're Playing with or you know, this the pop-up food truck or pop-up kind of facility that has a lot of Um, you know, vibrancy to it and color to it and murals and and things like that that are really, uh, You know important to the to the community. Um, some of the murals that are out there now are absolutely amazing um And I get you know, this is not that but just again responding. I think to context is Is is is important the same same with same with the You know comments about color and in some of the forms as well, which you've already heard from the other board members um And then I was kind of when I looked at the elevations um, especially the Yeah, these here initially thought the north elevation um was kind of similar to Some of the architecture that I've seen with the roseland Or the midpen project the development project there and the the mercado or the market It has a similar kind of form to it and one of the things I initially thought was that that was basically going to be a flow through space um To access the interior of the the basketball court, but now you have your you know on your floor plan you have all of your All of your seating on that edge and so Initially, I thought that there was maybe going to be some connection to the outside um adjacent to the basketball courts and so I don't know if there's If there is a possibility or if that makes any sense for the boys and girls club But to be able to bring the in and out. I mean, I know it's a parking lot that has basketball courts on it It's going to be parked But for larger events or things of that nature, you know, there is that you know, how can you bring that inside inside out? So that was What's that? So There are doors and they weren't picked up on the elevation. Yeah, I guess I mean the openings I think what Brett's trying to Brett, can I interrupt real quick? I think what Brett's trying to say is I I understand where Brett's going when you look at that. I think he saw garage doors Perhaps large garage doors. Maybe that open that allow you to flow through that's that's initially what I had in the In the rendered elevation that was initially kind of the I either the thought Like oh, maybe there's pass-through space there, but now it's from what the from what I'm seeing The actual thing is there's two doors that flank either side And those are just stucco, you know stucco walls with brick brick again coach here the the bleachers They got to go somewhere and the main access flow is through the middle from the main Open area of the floor plan straight down where the bathrooms are we went over and visited calisthoga Club, which is amazing. I didn't know calisthoga had such a beautiful club And they integrated that same concept go by the bathrooms in order to get to the gym And it's that's really the only place we have to put the bleachers And then I think building on Henry's comments about the exterior there's larger facade facades if there's opportunity to do murals or more vertical kind of More vertical planting something like that, especially with how gracious some of the setbacks or the setback is on the on the east side But yeah, I don't know I like the idea of Getting inside out or like the garage doors or something like that is And maybe and like I said, maybe it doesn't fit with the program But you're fencing, you know, you've got a gate and a secure access in that entire Um Parking area so it seems like maybe that's uh an opportunity or a way to you know Bring some additional light in as well on those on those facades That's all. Thank you. Thank you Eric Thank you. It's great to see the project And to see it here The only comments I make again is on that Uh where that marquee sign is for poppy pavilion and the cement I mean, there's there's some great opportunities and clearly You guys are thinking about, you know, whether it's I'm just involved with more more Murals the the community etc. I would encourage that it's a great opportunity actually to bring in color So which is one of the uh one of the issues my fellow board members talked about so And I would not only look at the east side, but also uh on the north side of that as well But it's a great opportunity and so I would encourage When you come come back to maybe have some of that a little more And in talking to Jennifer weiss what we may do is identify areas and then that would be a longer term process working with the And again, I'm sorry. I don't do a lot here, but like in winds of we have an art council So doing something like that working with them, but designating here would be the locations and then going through a separate process on that But we'll get those identified Great I think that was the only comments I had but it's nice to see the project nice to see our community members involved into his donors. Thank you Thanks, Eric. Yeah So I would concur with what I've heard thus far, particularly on the The hand-drawn renderings sounds like, you know, everybody likes that scale better And and I do as well In the glazing again, you know, the the amount of glazing is is Tremendous and it's going to be great for all those that are inside and and particularly during the wintertime when they Are doing all their activities inside I you know again I echo my comments from earlier the connectivity to everything else that's going on out there and being that it's inville project It'll be a tough hill to climb and do it all yourself but you know the crosswalks from the West side going east or vice versa Be great to have a stop sign there if it were if it were possible And and same with the connectivity on north south there with the parking area Just from a safety perspective I think you're right everybody's going to go down to that signalized light and and go over because you're not crossing You know Life in hand as they call it I had that question brought up by the boys and girls called like can't we do that? I'm like not on that road Other roads not that road and and I like the The attention to the brick and and you know, it feels very railroad square and I think just two parcels to the East there's you know more brick and that Couple buildings there so kind of it flows from you know railroad square area up that way and and You know, it doesn't need to be lost in my opinion To go towards the modern because that's kind of what midpens doing with their buildings and and I think there'll be plenty of that right there From a perspective of kids at play and then probably uh being fought by Stormwater management and stuff out of that parking area if it really is truly going to be used for basketball courts um You might look at trying to get rid of some of the curbs And just do flat, you know rolled Good point Just because it's there's nothing more frustrating than you know You miss a shot and the ball comes flying at you from a corner corner curve, you know Um You had all sorts of things to deal with there But just a thought and it and it looks schematically like If there were a curb there that they've taken the basketball hoops further out away from the curb than normal And I think if that's not Diarromatically correct. It should be that way and get them a little if there have to be curves get the hoops away from the Curbs you'll they'll save yourself some broken ankles and such Um But overall, I think it's a fantastic project. Um Love to see it get built ahead of mid-end stuff I In my world, that's my my my mission in life right now Steve clarification. Yeah, just a clarification on the colors It wasn't that you were against the colors. It just that it didn't jive with our definition or our Design concept is that I'm against the colors personally um I don't know if the rest of the board is Me personally like when I look at this. I don't see playful boys and girls club playful school. I see oh That looks like the office park over there Right. Does that make sense? That that's so me personally Could you amp them up? Absolutely if they stayed this way would I be would I be okay with it? Yeah, I probably have to be okay with it, but I'm not going to like it if that makes sense one of the interesting things that we've been bouncing around and It's just again. It's just learning all this stuff is Nationally, I knew the boys and girls club. We normally bring blues and locally That's a game. You know, that's a color that you don't want to normally use and so all of our signage doesn't include blue so we we're We'll shoot to try and liven it up a little bit without You know creating any additional problems No, I mean I think that makes sense that it's just yeah, thank you I mean if you want some overall feedback from colors, I'm not opposed to the colors Correct from the standpoint that you've got brick and then if you were talking about doing something special with that Back wall you might end up with a lot of vibrancy there So it kind of depends on how that plays out in my opinion Henry do you want to offer a stronger color? Yeah, the cannery park. I just take a different look at that color in particular. It's just it's it's it's just beige and it's boring Okay, all right there you go Quick question TV from colors for a second Which is usually the one thing I bring up, right? Um Are you guys looking at a sport court at all where you can also do soccer badminton volleyball? Now i'm gonna look at michelle What about on the inside michelle? I think the original Awesome, thanks Yeah, if I might interject that so all the schools I've done Three multi uses in the last three years At three different school districts and they all have multi-use Kind of support court flooring. They don't have wood basketball flooring anymore Excepted like high schools generally so if it's a multi-use facility like this we're seeing a lot of It's a composite floor With a lot of stuff and it yeah, it may look like wood and it may be striped for basketball But you can use it for a lot of different things Brett you want to make any comments on color specifically? Just that I echo drew's Um Feeling sentiments about it. Um, yeah I don't need to go any any more Thank you Any other parting comments? I have A couple I think this is what bret was talking about These are roll-up garage doors at a multi-use. This just so happens to be one that I designed But um, this is what you were talking about pretty much, right? Okay, so I don't know if it makes sense on this project, but I bring it up because As I was looking at the floor plans a little bit more as we were kind of talking about the entries I noticed that there's kind of some nano wall-ish type Kind of folding partitions if you will On the west side and on the south side at the dance studio and then on the west side Kind of I think the outdoor patio And I started to think about that Those are actually fantastic places for those type of indoor outdoor Components, but what got me scratching my head about that was the entry Component pieces and I think it makes a whole heap of sense to Reconfigure your Entry procession in this building And what I mean by that is completely eliminate the south entry and and I don't mean eliminate architecturally I mean eliminate it like as an entry Because I think this storage room that you've got kind of uh here I can yeah So this storage room actually makes a whole lot of sense to me to take this entry Access control bit and put it there and then You may have to find another home for that guy maybe over here somewhere But typically with dance studios and exercise facilities there needs to be some waiting space out here For people who are you know, they come early to class or they come early to whatever it is And so there needs to be some waiting space out here. So I think really this space Is more active as waiting space lounge space, etc And this actually makes more sense particularly given the location of the grand staircase That this is the main entry access of the facility not this guy right here And yeah, this space is sabastopol road, but this I mean the way that the architecture is done currently Yes, there is a direct connection front the back here to this but this access primary really isn't here It's going to be served by this parking lot and then through here And this is going to be served primarily through here from the teen center, which is down here So that's sense. I think it's just worth looking at it. Yeah And again, we're happy to do that as long as we don't run into setback issues I don't think you will I think you just need to kind of rearrange the insides Okay, well then then and again you haven't Heard Jennifer, but yeah, we we try and not rearrange the insides very much Very strong feelings regarding the insides, but we will absolutely look at it And we appreciate that comment and that may very well be possible So long as it doesn't affect us in any shape or form regarding setbacks Yeah, I think it's worth looking at and The only other thing is it's more of a question and I I don't know if we asked it The teen center Is going to be part of this project when it comes to no, it's a future building It's a future thing that is somehow on my back that doesn't include bill galler Okay, because I've misunderstood. I think your comments about bill No doing the whole project one hour this whole project is this project Is he going to do no the club and the teen center? No, because yeah, so well, I can always dream But so far right now Yeah, so the teen center is really just a placeholder right now Well, it is although there there was a very successful fundraiser through the vintners that raised maybe I think right around Two million around two million for so for that. So I'm excited, but two million is not going to build that teen center. So I need like five. Yeah. Yeah So we have more work to do Yeah, that was my it was a question because it it is here. It's part of this project It could architecturally be similar or different. I think that's why I was wondering. Okay, cool. Thank you But great project and oh, thank you forward. Thanks Henry parting comments Yeah, just to jump in on Drew's comment about the the entries and the dual entries and I I don't mean to step on any toes in any way about design, but Um, we could go to the s1 sheet the site plan with the landscaping on it There it is. Glad you're not me You're calling this the main entry, but the more I look at the plan with with the circulation Headed out of both ways this this this to me just feels like the the main entry to the building Kim and and it might help with some construction cost if this was Lessened and I think there's an opportunity to make this a indoor outdoor space that Maybe the public doesn't come around to so just something to look at no no Again, we we started there and then again my only issue if this body tells me we're okay with setbacks, then we're great We'll look at that. Absolutely. Yeah, and the dead dead dead corners that you can't visually see I get all that aspect of it, but I just Great if you put a fence across there or something I made that a interior private courtyard or for kids to go out on that Was controlled from that fencing area. I just yeah, I would encourage it. Yeah, council. I had one of us Which I really liked Brett any parting comments Eric parting comments No, I completely agree with Henry. I think when you pull into that parking lot and you look at that That entryway 90% of your visitors are going to go right for that door. So Might as well just design the interior around it. Okay Any questions from you your team anybody? We're good. Great. Well, I appreciate you so much. I appreciate the comments at the outset that staff has been receptive and you would know More than the average bear Well, I have to tell you I mean, we originally thought it had to be mid-January Maybe early February and and the staff got us here today and we thank you all for coming in this early in the year And my joke was I guarantee you this is the best project you've seen so far this year But I actually believe it might be ultimately the best project you'll see all year So with that, I'll leave you. Thank you. We want to see it back soon. So we are going to come as fast as you can Super. Thank you. Thank you all Okay Item number seven board member reports. Are there any board member reports? See no one How about item number eight department reports? It's too early in the year for department reports And with that we will adjourn