 What's good everybody welcome back to dunk tip Tuesday today We got freaking barth on the mic and we're gonna go talking crazy about everything from dunk training to friggin What's real and what's not and barth actually knows all those answers. So enjoy right barth And we're doing it dunk camp got announced today Yes, it did group one is gonna be back at the dunk camp. Oh, dude knows that reference from like the first Look at us with both of our podcast mics. How good are we? Barth you going to dunk camp 100% I don't think there's any way I wouldn't go same When something like that happens, I don't even like that's too far in the future for my schedule I'm just like I'm there figure it out. I don't have anything planned, and I don't care what comes up Yeah, I have nothing planned nothing good. Yeah, my favorite thing about dunk camp is it gives me something really fun to train for? Yes, like Like I would train anyway, but this gives me something really fun to train for that is just for fun It's not competitive and that makes me enjoy my training even more. That's the best How do you stay connected to that enjoyment without dunk camp? Or gosh, I just try to make dunk sessions with people it's a really good thing to think about though because we haven't had dunk camp in two years and Well, technically we had it last year Yeah, but like we didn't get to dunk together really. Yeah, it wasn't the same like feel as this. Yeah, you sound great By the way, look at this guy. Thank you. I think I'd look great too. I'm wearing a polo Yeah, why are you wearing a polo? What are we doing cuz I'm cuz I'm fancy now. I even have a wristband. I'm just By the way, are you recording your audio separate or you're just recording through zoom? I Am not recording a separate, but I can just in case you sound amazing, but we do top We do top of the line here. We don't mess around. How's your YouTube? What are you doing on YouTube these days? What's the content like? What do you just are you just working on training? For the most part I've just been working on training. I've been doing some other like personal stuff in my life Which we won't get into yeah, that'll be the Steven Barth podcast in a different episode behind a paywall Yeah, that's a different episode when we're not talking about dunking but that yeah, so like like Yeah, I was gonna switch it to back to the training when you enjoy your training So what does it look like what day is dunk camp right now? It is March 4th What day is dunk camp may something or June June usually? I'm gonna look it up to give it a dunk camp a shout out you guys the registration opens It's probably open now when this episode drops Registration is open. Yes, and the dunk camp is from August 2nd to August 5th good at Carmelone Beautiful. I love that spot. Yeah, so that's a sick gym So if you guys go back to watch my first vlogs of dunk camp where I met Barth So this is where the dunk world met bar. Oh This is awesome. Yeah, yeah Dude, that's when Barth that's when Barth made his name dude. He was birthed at dunk camp Dude I had like less than 3,000 followers when I went to that dunk camp and what do you had now kid tell the world Oh, we're growing you one point kids creeping on a hundo. Look at the kid go. I love this Okay, so wait, so you birthed at dunk camp Carmelone Center has like what is it four different courts they had like it was sick Yeah, yeah, so there's there's actually there's I believe there's three courts One of them is like kind of like a smaller court than the other two are full-size and they're next to each other Yeah, and then they had like that training area off to the side What is the biggest difference between going to this dunk camp versus last dump dunk camp for first dunk camp? I mean first don't cancer versus third dunk camp for Connor Barth. What's the biggest difference? I think that the biggest difference now is going to be that the last Well, it's especially the first the first one. I literally went to get my name out there I literally went there with the goal of like showing that I'm like the best up-and-coming dunker And then I did that so now I'm like now it's more about like I'm just going to enjoy it more So this time then like try to prove anything right. Yeah, and I just wanted I just wanted like I don't know how to describe it I went to dunk camp to get my name out there But I came out of dunk camp with a lot more friends and just like a greater Appreciation for like the variety of people who enjoyed dunking and I just want to share in that energy I don't really care about the other. Tell me if this is true as well because I remember this from Talking to you post dunk camp one That when you started it with dunking was always a passion But that kind of solidified it as a journey for you to like make it a thing because you always loved it But there was nobody around you that was really doing it. Yeah So I mean like what happened basically was like I always loved dunking And then I found like you and Isaiah and CJ and like the Florida group on YouTube And I found Jordan Kilganon on YouTube and like started talking to him too And I started talking to you guys on Instagram too like before dunk camp ever happened and So like I loved dunking since I was like a kid But I just didn't like I never had anyone who really just did that or just trained for that I didn't have people to do it with near me and Like once I met all you guys and we all had like similar personalities and energy towards it And we just loved it so much like I just couldn't go back after that like it was so much fun And I had a friend group that actually did it so I was like, oh man I'm all in now and it's crazy because now that's what you do, right? That's all you do is dunking and training. Yeah. Yeah for the most part It's crazy any who What do you think's gonna be different this year I think it's gonna be I'm excited for the contest last last one in person It's gonna be hard to beat with Chi doing off of her dunks and things like that, but Yeah, you know, I think the biggest difference this year is that a lot of the bigger names will be there again and be like fully healthy Yeah, I think I think that in terms of like the elite dunkers who are gonna go a lot of them are like freaky now Right like more so than they were and and I think that it's kind of cool Cuz like now that's been you know, it's gonna be over a year since it happened a Lot of the people that went to that last dunk camp have gotten so much better Since then like like a lot of the people who are doing like low-rim probably are gonna be like on the ten foot contest now And actually be able to do new things that like they've never done before in any front of anyone. That's really yeah I love seeing all the people that I've either talked to for years on Instagram or social media Or just seeing people I've seen once or twice or even people that I barely get to see and then people from all over the world Like with the first dunk Kim's friggin. What was it? Where was he from? My boy Hidor? I forget his country, but he was uh, um, it's like not Lithuania, but it was like Scandinavia. No, it was a Stone something. I can't even remember the freaking name of it It was like a crazy it reminded me of like I Don't know just like almost like a prehistoric place I know who you're talking about. Yeah, and he was insane So it's fun to see where people freaking come from all over But I'm excited to go to Utah to haven't traveled at all. So that's gonna be nice. I love lehigh. It is yes Member driving through it. Yeah, we were drive. We're gonna go back to the liquid bees. Yeah Dude, that was amazing. I love I loved being the driver. That's such an it's just I love just being there Like when I'm there I'm like done because you I trained so hard like you're saying like the training can get so hard You're just pushing through these goals And when you're there you just get to use it all and just enjoy and do it last I went too hard the first year first year though. That's I have the injury from that year. Yeah That's that's that first year is when all my ten tonight. It's really I have my hamstring injury from that year But you can't blame me because t-dub showed up and we did a low-rim session and then I had the dunk in the friggin Dunk show True dude, you're not gonna not you're not gonna not over jump when that happens By the way, I need to see that footage. I need to get that footage of me and tea That was this was that second year am I make conflating years that that was the second year. Oh my god, this is fourth year This is the fourth year. Yeah, I've been saying the third year this whole time But it's but it's like last year didn't really happen. I know in person experiences But still four years since the first one by the way I wanted to bring this up because I yelled at nobody on my podcast yesterday and I was because people were talking about like I think people get this misconstrued like I was I brought up as As an example just because I know him but you're a good example as well is that in a year. I'm not even gonna Set it up for you in a year What would be a great amount of vertical increase if any that you would try to increase in one year's time like right now? Yes for you. I would say One to two inches right, okay That's exactly what I said because I think people forget that that an inch is so big Especially when you're at your level. Yeah, like if I trained perfectly Yeah, I want to just clarify that like I have not been training perfectly like of in recent times Yeah, if I trained perfectly for a few months and got back to like a 45 like 45 46 Which is the highest I'd ever jump Then from that point I think it would take me a year to get one to two inches probably one Maybe two and it would be like I would have to train Perfect perfect and that's what people don't understand either is that your life happens, too It's like me and you like I said all you do is Duncan train I've built my life because I was in corporate for three years I've built my life around the lifestyle I want but not everybody can train like I can do whatever training I want any time of the day and almost any day of the week now that is Not it most people can't do that so if you're at this level and trying to increase if I told you right now by the end of 2021 you'd hit 47 or 46 Let's say you're at 45 was your base and you measured a 46 you'd be as ecstatic. I would freak. Yeah So and that's a one inch and people are trying to gain 10 inches 12 inches. It's like of course it can happen at the beginning, but you have to Levels that happens at the beginning you're very likely to end up injured like oh, yeah, like it's just it's too much too quickly It's not that you don't want those gains It's just you have to be careful because actually like when I first started lifting to focus on dunking I probably went from like a 39 to like a 44 like really fast But I kept jumping the same amount but the forces I was putting on my body were like just way more that is a huge key That's huge because I got bigger and stronger and you get stronger Especially if you hit a strength as and people understand they need to get stronger now You're jumping with more force and like your muscles adapt way faster than like your ligaments tendons Yeah, yeah, so like then like as stupid as it sounds like especially for beginners You'll get stronger and jump higher faster than your body can actually handle Yeah, you got to kind of like wean yourself into jumping a bunch at that level I think that's why it's so hard to improve off one foot at least for myself because You're with two foot. I understand it well and you're balanced and you're pushing and you're stimulating so much Force and your body and then you kind of wait a couple of days and you slowly grow But one foot just takes longer because it's all that force on one leg. It needs so much time to adapt Yeah, I mean you're literally like doubling me Yeah, like I literally can't even jump off one foot for sessions because I just haven't done it in so long That like if I try to have one foot sessions I'll have to start it like 50% jumps for like a few months because yeah, like I'll just wreck my body if I try to do that Do you have any content goals? Whether it's a podcast. I see you got the podcast mic When did you get that mic by the way? I got this one. I was working with Isaiah. Oh, right when you guys You're like, yeah, yeah, so like I've had it for a while I've been thinking about doing a podcast the only thing my problem with podcast is I have so much stuff That I want to do other than a podcast in terms of like yeah I'm sent for my my members because like now I have my own thing, right? Like I have vertical blue Yeah, and I I literally just have this giant Google doc Which is like we pull up on my other screen that is just a list of just videos and like yeah That's and like teaching that I want to do I was gonna just say that I have the same list of Ideas and ideas and ideas and it's so satisfying when you come to one of those ideas that you finally found the time to do And it's just and it hits and then you're just like people don't even realize that that was like a three-month old idea Or a three-year-old idea. What's and you have to like yeah, that's what's crazy Like a lot of these ideas are things I've literally thought since the first day I started coaching people and I'm just like I'm finally like since I'm my boss now I get to decide what I do But that's actually been like a hard transition for me because I'm so used to doing like kind of what other People want me to do that. I'm like now. I'm really getting into what I want to do and yes And so now it's like you have an emotion or a mindset that you struggle with most I'll tell you mine to give an example mine has been patience It's been so hard to be patient for these things and really think long term because you want to do things now You want to jump on these ideas you want to dunk now, but I've gotten way better at it's been like a year of work But what's yours? I Think that mine would also be patience. I don't know how else I would describe this but like it's it's the sense of being like patient with myself In terms of not right at something as I want to be so like like with training Like I need to be patient and train because I know if I want to dunk Well like I need to keep training But then when I get like little gains and get close to like my peak again I start hitting new dunks again, and then I'm like I don't keep focusing on the training because I get so obsessed with the Dunking like it's it's the self-control aspect of like look like yes You can do this now, but if you want to get better you need to focus on that and like kind of Like that's my training side then with like the coaching and stuff It is I have to be patient with myself to get good at making that type of content because it's just not the content I've made I've always made it for other people not me like talking and making it myself So like I have to be patient with myself to like really like I just need to put things out there and like Understand that I will get better at it and I can just go back and redo things to improve them over time But that like it's more important for me to actually do something than to like sit and try and make something perfect the first time I guess there's so much Control and patience and doing it now because so many people like like I find myself doing that all the time is I want to Make the progress, but I forget that the progress is in these times where you're not the best So it's like it's it's weird moments of awareness like when I'm running or I'm doing this yoga or anything I'm training is like it's so it sucks when you don't even you don't even know if you're doing it, right? Or if it's even gonna build, but you have to do it to find out Yeah Yeah Yeah, any tips for dunk tip Tuesday dunk tip Tuesday Well, I guess my number one tip would be pay to stay patient. Yeah like like actually though like um Like I think a lot of people get really frustrated with themselves I mean, I know this happens with me too like Like especially with dunking like I'll get close to like a new dunk and man I'll get so frustrated But like you can't you can't let your frustration make you make like kind of irrational decisions in the moment That will affect you long-term because it's not this is what we always talk about, but it's not the short game You're playing the long game like look look at all the good dunkers and like yes Some of us are genetic freaks and like yes, like, you know You can say whatever you want, but like in the end all of us have put in years and years of like effort And if you aren't willing to just be patient and do that to some propensity you will not do it It just reminds me of this metaphor I want to make a video on so if people listening and watching already hear this metaphor and then see the video The video is gonna be better because I want to have actual Physical objects, but have you heard the metaphor of like the beans and the walnuts and bowls? Okay, so I'm gonna use my water as a thing so pretend you have this is really good Because it's exactly what you're talking about with being patient because a part of it Also, we see people doing dunks like when I see Kilgane and he's been posting lately those dunks I like I want to go try dunks, you know, but it's like it's so hard But if but if like he didn't post for a while people don't remember that he didn't post But now he's like doing crazy shit and you want to like do what he's doing But nobody wants to do the go away for two years in the lab. No, you know what I'm saying, okay Yeah, no one wants to go away and literally yes And then but then the thing is if you do that then you're glowing like he's doing which is the point of this story So you have two bowls be filled with beans ones filled with beans that are small and one's filled with walnuts that are big, right? And then if you take one bean and the bowls is represents life and life never stops moving It's just shaking if you put a bean from one bowl and on top of the walnuts, right? And the level of the bowl is kind of your circumstance in life where you're at in your journey You could say in dunk life at the top is the top everybody wants to be at the top, right? That's the peak you put the bean at the top of the walnuts and you shake the bowl of walnuts The bean will slowly make its way to the bottom and Vice-versus true as well if you take the walnut and put it to the top of the beans or put it at the bottom of the Beans the smaller beans and shake shake shake it'll slowly make its way to the top Because it's just bigger. So the point of that is the representation that you don't have to worry about where you're at If you want to be at the top grow yourself as big as you can and that means be the best you can be and then at The top of it you will be at the top no matter what it doesn't matter where you're at How much life shakes how many people are in front of you doesn't matter You will be at the top if you constantly just grow yourself and I love that concept You ever thought of that so like right now if you I feel like well, I want to make it with two freaking bowls I'm gonna I'm gonna literally do the experiment show it Because I don't want to like I want to just do it, but I have to get bowls. I gotta get beans. I gotta get nuts Gotta get nuts, but dude, I'm on this I haven't I don't know if I told you specifically, but I've mentioned my long-ass journey I'm on this hamstrings bug in two to three years now. Whatever that's been like three What's it? Yeah, so yoga dude. Yeah after that dunk camp But I did well and I actually hit my peak But then I couldn't go to them. This is where this is what I think people forget is I was jumping the best ever I hit I measured 42.5 at dunk camp and then I was jumping higher after that on the bum hamstrings I was just pushing through because I went through strength before dunking and I was translating all of that and it felt amazing But then I was good. I was at 43 44, but I'm like I don't want to stay here I wanted to go higher because I needed even more. I needed more power for my dribble dunks I needed more strength I needed everything, but I couldn't lift properly and I couldn't jump properly on that on those on my body that I had so it's been years of Figuring it out I'm all the way back down to yoga and it's so hard to even open my hips But I'm committing to that because if I open that up Open those hips up open that hamstring up and then gets strength and nose crevices with perfect technique with my lifting and my jumping Dude, and then I'm at 44 45 I'm pumped for that. So I have to but it's it's a long fucking journey Dude, that's that's crazy because like I'm kind of back in that same boat We're like I've had some like old injuries kind of like repop up lately And I know it's been from inconsistency and like and like trying to push myself too hard too quick Because like I see where I want to be But I I don't I didn't want to accept where I am right now in relation to like my entire gaming history So like I'm also like in that stage of like now I'm like building my base again and like working on staying more mobile because I've gotten tighter Like over the last year and like I used to be much more like mobile than I am now So I could like train differently than I do now and um Yeah, I'm just like rebuilding all my foundations to actually be able to push to the next level because like so what's your next goal? I'm sick of being like like next goal jumping wise. I know you want to get healthy But what's your next jump and go my my next goal is to like actually measure a 40 nice Which plant so one foot right left Yeah, you know actually I I would like to have an above 40 need to like four of my plants But yeah, like I don't I don't see myself committing too much time to that One goal ahead a long time ago was be like to be the first person to do between the legs off of every single plant Like back to back to back so just like right left between the legs left left right Do we know anybody that can do that foot between the legs? I've never seen anyone do that. I've never seen footage of it You know who might be able to do it is Jordan. I was gonna say him and I was gonna say Isaiah because he's done the one foot, right? Yeah, but I don't think he can right right left other foot. Oh, oh you're saying let one foot off the left and right That's that's that puts me right at Kilgan and like he's the type to fucking get that done Yeah, and I think Kilgan and yeah, I've never seen him try it off his off. Yeah on one foot I know he can do it off of two really sides, but like that's wild You know, you know what there is I said this about Jay Clark I think Jay Clark might be the pinnacle of this But there's so many things like that and so many dunkers that are the dunkers dunker Where Jay Clark does things that blow all our minds that are at like High levels, but they don't really blow the public's mind Because they don't even know what he's doing because people Yeah, people have no like they have no that's what I'm saying like no concept of like what right? That's what I'm saying problem with Like don't contest or the biggest joke. Sorry. I was just thinking somebody was just talking to me about dunk contest Maybe it was in the group chat we had but we were talking about dunk contest where it's like really subjective and it needs to be like yeah, yeah Yeah, this is something I've been talking about since the first dunk camp I literally messaged Billy like the dunk like Dunk of Demo for people that don't know the night I got back from the thing like from dunk camp and I was like hey I thought of this system we could use and I talked to him and Jay Clark on the phone about it and like I Yeah, wait wait so it's so simple. Were you gonna say more? Sorry. I had something else. Oh Yeah, I was just gonna say that like like you hear all these people talk about dunk contest and stuff but like They just don't mean anything to me because the judges don't know anything about what is difficult Yeah, so I had this revelation recently. I at the judges. I might go fucking down It should just be like you kill Gannon Isaiah. It should be like the top dunkers You know, they're the only ones that really get it or people that have done it like T dub or Cador, you know Like I think that's what Cador is building which is amazing which everybody should follow Cador I'm gonna have him on soon, but This is one thing I realized as as we're talking subjectivity and whether it's like there's some skill to it where it's like You can measure the height of the rim whatever it's literally an art and we're trying to judge art with numbers And that's like yeah, go. Yeah Yeah, so like off of that. This is where I don't even like right I love competing and like it's it's fun But I'll never take it seriously because dunking is not yeah Dunking is an art and it is like literally just the personification We got a separate we got yeah, we got a separated. Sorry to cut you off in that beautiful statement But no you're the art the art should be something why I love dunk sessions, right? That should be art like it just lets it lets everyone do their own style They get to paint their own picture of who they are as a dunker and like that's really cool And and I think that that and all the positivity that gets around that is better than any of like the negativity surrounding Like who's the best and like what is it done? But you could also I still think there's an avenue where you could be the best Dunk competitor, you know what I'm saying? So like but I think there should be a separate thing like he's the best dunk artist almost and someone else is the best dunk competition Because when I think of like Chris Staples is like there's a skill in being so consistent No, right. So like there's something there Chris is literally like I was actually talking to someone about this yesterday But like Chris is like like obviously like in the goat race of like dunk Yes, people because he is won so many contests He's been doing it for so many years and like even now He's like still just insane and like he's not like super old But he is older and like remix is kind of the same. Yes remix won tons of contests He jumps super high, but he's like 37 and like it's insane, right? I'm trying to think of an analogy of that It's like It's like competing for the number specifically like who can be the most consistent who can do it first try But then who's the who's the most creative and who could like paint the best picture? I'm trying to think of the art world It's just different. It's just different things. Yeah, and when it comes to the like The contest like there is some objective like you did or did not win, right? And we can all agree that like, okay, like if you are a better dunk contest dunker if you want more contest I don't think anyone would like disagree with that But then when we start getting into the like topic of like who is the best dunker of all time I start to skew more towards the artistic side of things and less of the contest like wise because like like me like me personally, I think Jordan Kilganon is the best dunker of all time because Yes, he has the contest one But that doesn't matter as much to me is the fact that he has done more dunks that no one has ever done than anybody Okay, two questions for you Who's your so would you say Jordan's your favorite to watch like watch artistically as a dunker? I Would say from a creativity standpoint. Yes Okay, but there's also the stylistic standpoint. I think T Curry is my favorite. Hmm. Okay great answers Like T Curry has the best style. I think I've ever seen okay next question. Yeah, it's insane His arms I think his arms are on backwards or something or this is how he moves like he moves in like a super fluid way Like I don't know how to describe it past that. I know what you mean. It's very light It's very loose, but it's also powerful like it has he's got so much range in his arms And it's very it's very unique like it's not like catch it and standard It's very like what in the world like I consider myself not a super stiley dunker Like I have some dunks that I do well, but I'm more rigid and like I just don't have that style But like T Dub and Curry have this like fluidity to their dunking. So did Arab there that just like You know, I don't really see in other dunkers and like Jordan has more style than like I say the average dunker But even he is like I think a little stiffer and like not quite as stylistic It reminds me of like music or painting is like you some people like like I have paintings here that are Not there's like perfect and then there's like non-perfect, which is almost better sometimes But like for you the what I like about you is you're you are like more standard But you don't get elite like it reminds me of like elite technique like it's super sharp And I love the way you finish on like everything like you always And usually I consider like I try to think of myself as more of like when I do make dunks I bang down. Yeah, I normally don't just like make and the other thing is the other thing about banging dunks Is the attempts to bang them because like some people are all about the trick not about the finish I'm more about the finish not just because that's how I dunk But I'm more about the finish than the trick for sure and I've never said that out loud, but I've always known that Yeah, like I rather someone I rather fucking miss a huge between the legs and like rattle it in Yeah, yeah, like I like try to go big if I'm gonna like yeah something I like I want to really make it and that's where something where like I've made 360 behind the back a bunch But I'm not satisfied because I haven't like just banged it before right like yeah And same thing with like like when I did the win off the wall the first time like I was happy I made it but I had to do it again recently because I needed to bang it right. It's just it's You gotta bang it I could sit all day and do power dunks and I just wouldn't mind like I used to jump high and do power dunks Like they feel great if I could do t-dub like without his insane tricks like his game dunks I I wouldn't I don't think I'd train I would just play if I could do what he does in a game Like the way he flies to hand out of the upes off the dribble just like drop step to I think I'd stop That's why I that's why I went on this long journey because I want to get to that point I don't care about I want I need to get that power. I need to be able to be in tune with my body Anyway, I'm gonna end it on this question Who or what inspires you most right now like recently right now? I would say that Jordan Doesn't have to be the Dunk world that could be anything in the world anything in the world anything in the world So Sutherland's good, but tell me about Sutherland's yeah, okay Well if we're talking about anything in the world not just like the Dunkers and stuff Yeah, I think the thing that's been inspiring me the most lately is the athletes I'm coaching so I'm not coaching bad athletes, but like Like seeing the athletes I do have and especially the ones who are like invested and like actually like talking to me And like trying to get better and seeing them get better that makes me want to get better Oh, yeah, like as an athlete and as a coach like it just I don't know that makes me really happy. So That's the best dude. Yeah But also Jordan They make me want to just get better too because like Jordan Sutherland has gone from like a freak to like a super freak and Jordan was like gone forever and now he's hitting new dunks that like I've never seen before and I just it makes me I have list of dunks that no one's ever done before and I need to get on it Yes, I was gonna say was that it's so awesome That when you inspire other people how much it inspires you and I think people forget that the energy you give the energy receive is just It's it's it's constant. It's the same stream You pick up the more the more energy you give out to people the more energy people are gonna give to you All right bar. Thank you for joining dunk tip Tuesday. Would you like to be back? I would love to be back. Give me a weird snippet that we could put at the end of this one the credits roll. 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