 Coming up. Reuse. Reuse. Lasers! Okay, and I have a great interview with the one, the only, Loretta Hedugo Whitesides. Stay tuned! Tomorrow begins right now! Good morning. How's everything up with you guys? Welcome to tomorrow for March 25th, 2017. This is Orbit 10, Episode 12. My name is Benjamin Hagenbotham. I have got a Jaredhead next to me and an everyday astronaut sitting in the corner on the hollow screen. And we'll be your hosts for the show. Now, before we get started, I'd like to give a huge shout out to all of the patrons of tomorrow who've done to make this specific segment of this episode happen. These are people who've contributed $10 or more to this episode to find out how you can help crowd-phone all the different shows of tomorrow. Head on over to patreon.com slash T-M-R-O. We've got an amazing interview with Loretta Whitesides coming up, so let's get straight into news. First up, we had a launch of Delta IV Heavy. I'm sorry. That would be impressive. I wish it was. It was not a Delta IV Heavy. It was a Delta IV, a Delta IV medium in a 5.4 configuration with WGS-9. Our 68A engine ignition, one. And we have liftoff of the United Launch Alliance Delta IV rocket carrying the WGS-9 mission for the United States Air Force. That lifted off the pad March 19th at 18 minutes after the new day, which is a 4.8 Universal Times from Space Launch Complex, 37 out of Cape Canaveral, Florida. The 5.4 designation on the Delta IV medium indicates a 5-meter fairing with four solid boosters that will fly off the side a couple minutes into flight. Fly off the side? They're more jettison off the side. The WGS-9 is the Wideband Global Setcom Satellite No. 9. It feels a little redundant. It's an information router for space. Basically, it's pinging communication calls, internet calls and whatnot in the US military, but this one was unique because Canada, Denmark and the Netherlands, Luxembourg and New Zealand paid for construction of WGS-9 in collaboration with the US military. And as such, each of them, however much they contributed, they're going to get a little piece of that satellite. So it's kind of a shared military concept, which is an interesting concept. You can see the solids kind of burning on the side. We won't have enough time to get all the way to solid deploy, but if you hit up YouTube, search for WGS-9, you can see the whole launch. It's very, very pretty. Speaking of things that we're launching, how about, let's talk about Arianespace for a moment, who will not be launching in the near future because French Guiana in South America. Yeah, I'm like, French Guiana in South America, they've got a bunch of people protesting. And it started off with the group, a union that moves the rocket basically from the hangar out to the pad. They basically said, no, we want more wages and whatnot. And then it kind of spiraled into a bunch of other things. Now the original part of it, I think we have footage of the doohickey if you want. There you go. So this is what I believe is actually some of the protest that was actually occurring right outside one of the roads. Now there are a bunch of protests going on there, so I'm not sure which one this one is specifically. And it was all in French, so take it all with a grain of salt because I don't read French. Google Translate was my friend, but this is a little bit of what's going on and this is why Arianespace is not launching right now. They put their current launch on what is considered an indefinite hold until they can get this part of it taken care of. Now protestors have set up roadblocks across all the roads in French Guiana that lead into the spaceport, highway into the spaceport. And the original striking company that was preventing Arianespace from launching actually has said they're okay and they're helicoptering them in to actually help out with launch preps, but at this point they're like, nope, look, this isn't a thing. We're not going to be able to do this. So until the protests settle down, this is, yeah, Arianespace is grounded for a little bit. Hopefully that won't last too much longer, but yeah, that's why you haven't seen, you saw last week's launch calendar, the launch on the calendar. This is why you haven't seen anything go. But on better news, Jared. Yeah, we've got some very exciting news coming up, which is that SpaceX is getting ready to refly its first reused stage. So I'm super excited about this because this is sort of what SpaceX has been working to and trying to get everything to this moment. For more than a decade. For more than a decade, yes, that's right. Now this first stage was originally used in the CRS-8 mission, which you may remember was the first booster to land on a barge at sea. Now the payload is going to be SES-10, built by Airbus Defense in Space. It weighs about 5,300 kilograms. So that's a big old satellite going to geosynchronous transfer orbit. Now the fairing and the second stage are manufactured new. So it's only just the first stage that is actually going to be reused. But the launch is set for no earlier than March 29th at 2059 coordinated universal time with a two and a half hour launch window from Pad 39A. So this is it. This is the moment of truth, I suppose, to see whether you can reuse the first stage completely or not. And they will attempt to recover the first stage as well. I'm going to be there. You are? Yeah. Yeah, I'm driving down tomorrow. You lucky guy. I know. I can't wait. It's going to be awesome. Are you there as press? Where are you going to be? Yep, I'll be there. I'm shooting for The Observer. So I will be covering his press and I'm really excited for that. So we'll be at the press site, I think, for a little bit. It's kind of new. Now that they're on 39A, there's kind of some new procedures going on with press stuff. So I don't know. I'm just going to show up and do what I can. I'm just going to show up and be like, let me on the path. And they could be like, no. Allow it? I'm here. In your space suit, do you want to show up in the other day astronaut pressure suit? I hear you guys need an astronaut. So speaking of reusing rockets, talk to me about China. Yeah, so, you know, reusability is super in these days. And so China wants a little piece of that, but they have plans to do it kind of, not how SpaceX and not how Blue Origin is doing it. Their plans are to use parachutes and airbags, actually, which I think is interesting. But according to their Chinese researcher, Deng Jinyu, he says that parachutes are controllable and they can be more reliable as well. So it's going to be interesting, you know. This is just an image of a Chinese launch vehicle. It's not the particular vehicle they're talking about trying to reuse. But China makes a new rocket about every two weeks, it seems like. Not just a new rocket, a new model, a new version of a new rocket. Yeah, exactly. So I'm sure it'll look similar to this, but it'll probably have some parachutes and stuff like that. Obviously, the big concern here for most people is, you know, the accuracy of parachutes and I guess just will that work? You know, obviously that's been studied forever and most people came to the conclusion that it doesn't really work. But I am 100... Go for it, do it, you know, and I'm excited to see what they end up with. You know, maybe they'll come up with some really cool system that no one else has thought of and it'll be groundbreaking. I'm excited. Anything like this is great. This is great for everybody, so. I think the big... For those wondering, the reason why a lot of rocket science kind of poo-poo the parachute ideas because you're coming in, you're hitting the atmosphere really hard, but you still don't have quite enough atmosphere for those parachutes to be useful to you. So you're in this weird like in-between state where the parachute doesn't do anything for you but you've got enough atmosphere that's starting to rip your vehicle apart. So that's where parachutes are kind of like, really? But I kind of agree, right? If they can figure out the... You know, it's all about the velocity of the vehicle and the density of the atmosphere that it's going through and if they can figure that out, then yeah, and the rigidity of... Maybe perhaps they'll do a little bit of both. Maybe they'll do a little bit of, you know, retro-propulsive, you know, firing up in the upper atmosphere to slow down as they re-enter and then use parachutes for the final little bit. Who knows? Airbags, don't forget the airbags. Space shuttle? Airbags, don't forget the airbags. Space shuttle, solid rocket boosters used parachutes. Yeah, they didn't go as high up or as fast, right? Right, but they didn't deploy the parachutes until like 15,000 feet. Yeah, but again, it's about velocity versus density of the atmosphere. That is fair, right? So it all depends, right? So it all depends, you're absolutely right. Yes, and that is a valid point. The solid rocket boosters... Yeah, but they deployed, what? One minute in the flight? Not even a minute? A little over a minute? Two minutes. They ejected two minutes out and they continued on a parabolic arc. Yeah. And they free fell... I should back up so we can see that. They did a free fall until... You can't turn though because the microphone is there. They did a free fall until about 15,000 feet and then they had a drug parachute that would orient them and then the drug parachute would pull away and then they had three parachutes that were reefed so that they would have... I think they had three reef stages so that they would open gradually and they were fully deployed about a thousand feet above the ocean and they brought them down to a nice gentle splashdown. It's not the low stuff. It's the not quite dense atmosphere. All right, back to what I said. It's the velocity and the density of atmosphere. So we'll see what they do if it works awesome. If it doesn't, at least they're trying something. Yes, they're trying. That's what you're saying. Let's move on to one of my favorite pet topics, which is space-based communication. You've seen me bring on guests talking about space-based communication in the recent shows. That's because I personally believe that space-based communication is very important for us to become a space-faring civilization. If we're going to go out and we're going to colonize Luna, we're going to colonize Mars, we need to have the internet because I don't want to be on Mars with no internet access. I need my Netflix, is what I'm saying. And radio-based communication is what we normally use, RF. And NASA is working on an alternate to that, which is optical communication, basically lasers. Laser communication relay demonstration is what you're looking at here. It's LCRD. And the difference between this is obviously it's optical, but the advantage of that is you can fit a lot more data or bandwidth into that optical connection. So right now it takes a very long time to get data off of our spacecraft from Mars or from anywhere that's above geo-orbit. This will potentially help that and increase the speeds 10 to 100 times better than what we're getting with the RF frequencies. So if this sounds like we've already done this test and you're a little bit confused, that's because we did kind of, we did the Lunar Laser Communications demonstration, which flew aboard the Lunar Atmosphere and Dust Environment Explorer, which was Lady in 2013, if you remember that mission from back then. But that mission was more of a short-term demonstration. Does this even work at all? And they were like, yes it does. So what LCRD is going to do is it's a long-term mission. It's going to go up, it's going to stay there for two to five years. It's going to have to pinpoint those ground stations you're seeing on the screen right there. It's going to have to maintain precision alignment with those ground stations. Shoot the laser down there. They've got, what is it, one in Hawaii and one in, I apologize, I forgot where the other one is. Table Mountain. There you go. Table Mountain California. So it's got two ground stations it's going to point at. They need to maintain that precision for two to five years and they're going to see is this a long-term viable plan that we can use for other spacecraft, maybe satellites or even objects going to the moon, Mars and beyond. So it could be potentially very, very awesome and radically increasing amount of bandwidth from some of these areas. I'm excited because as JPL sends more and more spacecrafts to Mars, if we had a high-speed link to Mars, maybe we could get like real-time video from one of those orbiters. Wouldn't that be awesome? Like the viewing experiment they have on the space station right now. High definition Earth viewing HDev. Yeah, yeah, but at Mars. Yes, a live view of Mars would be awesome and technology like this is going to enable it. It has not launched yet. It is scheduled to occur in summer of 2019, but they have passed a key decision point review and they're moving into integration and test stage of the development. So assuming it continues funding, I see no reason why this wouldn't be a thing that we've got there. This is an exciting tech test bed that's right up there that's going to potentially radically change how we see and communicate with the cosmos. Yeah, I have a quick question about this, maybe more of a physics question, but now is a laser actually quicker, or basically do RF frequencies operated about the same physical speed as a laser beam? Yeah, that's correct. So the ping won't go down or anything? No, it's not any faster. Your frequency, your RF frequency is going to have a band that bends like this, but the laser-based frequency, or the optical frequency, I'm saying like, is going to have a band like this, right? So it's a very, very narrow beam. And basically every time you go up and down, every time you're going up and down, you can cram more bits into that section of the beam. So it's not physically faster. We're still going to have a delay between 7 and 14 minutes, depending upon where Mars are. That's good English. Depending on where Mars is, you'll have a delay between 7 and 14 minutes. That part's not going away, but instead of only having, you know, a couple hundred kilobits per second to work with, you could have megabits, gigabits, you know, probably not gigabits, hundreds of megabits. Lady actually did something like 640 megabits per second from the moon, which is ridiculous during that test. I'm also curious to see, like with RF, it's going to penetrate clouds and everything else. I don't know what part of the light spectrum they're on for the optical communication. I assume it will be able to penetrate things like weather, but I don't actually know. The other thing you could do is you could get orbiting satellites that are communicating via laser and then space to ground via RF. But as long as we can get these pipelines faster between our planetary objects, our spacecraft, satellites, and Earth, I think that's what's going to enable a whole new slew of really cool things in space. So this is something I'm very excited for, test bed. Really we're just, it's going forward and we'll talk about it again in 2019 when it launches. So they're basically testing FIOS. They're testing FIOS in space. That's right. That's exactly what they're doing. FIOS in space. Long term FIOS. Alright, talk to me about Rosetta. In 67, how is it pronounced again? Churruyumov gersemenko. Wow. Right, he's done that before. Thank you, thank you. So I want to talk a little bit about the Rosetta mission. Even though it ended last year, there's been some amazing results that are still coming out of this mission. And one of those is that there is the active geology that's happening on the surface of the comet. And through imagery that they've been taking of the actual surface of 67P, they've been able to actually witness changes that have been happening in there. So we see things like this. These are cliff sides that have collapsed out due to outbursts from the comet itself. Now, they've announced that they can actually trace some of these outbursts to specific things that happened on the surface. So maybe a crack developed or like in this case a cliff actually collapsed out and it released material which then went away from the comet itself. So... I just want to look at the picture. The space is too far away. We can see all of that there. And this wasn't the only thing that they saw. Is that a 3D image? It's kind of a 3D image. It looks like it has the color extrusion for like, you could wear 3D glasses? Yeah, just a little bit. Now this wasn't the only stuff that they actually saw. They also saw cracks developing in the surface of the comet as well which they think at some point in the future may actually cause the comet to split apart. As you notice that 67P kind of looks like a rubber ducky where it's got the head and the body. It's got a very thin lobe. So that may actually end up splitting at some point and separating into two different cometary nuclei which is a very cool thing to say. Cometary nuclei. Now this next one is my favorite one because this is actually a boulder that is about half the size of an American football field that got moved. The official unit of measurement for tomorrow, by the way. Just making sure. How many football fields is it? It moved a couple hundred meters during the perihelion swing of this comet. So comets go around the sun. They often will reach a closest point to the sun which you call perihelion. It's when they get the most active and man, it was just amazing that we were able to see all of this. Especially after Rosetta had to sort of stay away from the comet because the comet got so active that if Rosetta stayed too close to it it would damage the spacecraft. So it had to spend about I believe it was about 160 kilometers away. Here's that crack that's developing in the lobe of the comet there. You can see that on the left side there you have the original crack which was seen and then just about two years later there's another crack developing in the surface in that area right there. And as you can see those are not small cracks there about just about half a kilometer in size. So very, very big. X wings fly down to blow up the Yes, that is actually the thermal exhaust port of the comet. Yeah, so that's where you fire your torpedoes. It's a quick question then so the boulder moving around and stuff what the heck is going on there? Is it because there's so little gravity that it says, what's happening? Basically what's happening is that the gravity is so low on the surface of the comet that when the material leaves the comet it can actually push things around on the surface. So you can actually take a boulder that's half the size of a football field because it weighs a ridiculously low amount because the gravity on a comet is like one ten thousandth that of what we have here on Earth. So you could actually physically move that like we saw in the imagery simply just by the force being applied to it from the material outgassing off of the comet. And that's just mind blowing. It's so cool. Moving half a football field without gassing. Yes, I mean a lot of us wish we could do that ourselves but we're unable to. Well I can. Is that why Rosetta bounced around for so long just because it was nothing to grab on to and there was Oh, you mean Philae in the later? Yeah, so well no, Philae bounced around a lot because the systems that were designed to anchor it. It didn't grab on. But then it was like hours before it actually landed Yeah, it bounced three times and it took hours each bounce before it landed again and that's because of the low gravity of the comet. So crazy. Alright, talking about successful space walks. Yeah, so we had Shane Kimbrough from NASA and Thomas Pesquette from the ESA. They went on a successful little space walk or a little space stroll as I call it. A space stroll. A six and a half hours they spent out there starting at 1758 for UTC on Friday and it concluded at 1758 UTC and now this was the fifth space walk for Kimbrough and only the second for Pesquette but what they were doing up there is they were disconnecting some cables for a pressurized mating adapter number three or PMA-3 on the station's Tranquility Module. Now they're going to move the PMA-3 module using the robotic arm and then you go stick that on another section of the International Space Station. They're making room for the IDA or International Docking Adapter that SpaceX and Boeing will be using here in the near future. So they're making room for that and they're just kind of getting it all set up for that which is really cool. And then they did a few other things like they lubricated Dexter, the little arm thing and yeah, they inspected a radiator valve. It just kind of went up and they did some good work here in the upcoming weeks. Oh, they're busy. It's like house maintenance but in orbit. And you're like moving entire parts of your house around. Yeah. But in orbit. You got to do that because like your uncle Larry's visiting so you got to move the door somewhere else. Move the door. Alright, we're going to take a quick break. And when we come back, we're going to be talking about Yuri's night 2017. Stay with us. We'll be right back. Thank you for the show. I'm Kari Ann. I will be interviewing Loretta Hidalgo-Whites in just a moment. 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Thank you for joining us today. It's been a pleasure. It's so awesome to have you. I feel like of all the times that because tomorrow in uriesnight we kind of talked a little bit have kind of gone back a ways back when we were space big cast and you know, you and I chat but I can't remember the last time we had you on the show interviewing you for uriesnight. So I'm actually super excited about this. Thank you Karen. Yeah, you guys have been great partners. It's been a fun ride. I don't know. It's often called the World Space Party. And the sort of general gist of things is Yuri Gagarin's first space flight, the very first human that we got off of this planet was April 12th, 1961 and then STS-1 was April 12th, 1981. You were born also April 12th. I won't give away any particular year on that one. But I wanted to ask a little bit like what was the genesis what was the concept of uriesnight as a world space party? How did you even get to that part? Well, growing up in the Cold War you know, I'd always been raised with like, you know, the Soviet Union and the United States and we were big super rivals. And when I found out that we shared a space anniversary I was like, this is a great opportunity to show how the power is faced to bring the world together. And so we started uriesnight with the hope of creating a holiday that would be celebrated 10,000 years in the future something that all the world could agree on. I love it. And I love that you have such a vision of 10,000 years in the future. It's so amazing. So the concept of the world space party and having everybody come together why folk, I mean is that why you chose Yuri Gagarin? I mean, besides it being Yuri Gagarin you don't have saying like, why choose that were you worried that that might be a little divisive? Absolutely. And we got a lot of pushback in the day from people who worked on the Apollo program because that was a big part of their motivation was to beat the Soviets. It was a space race. And so people like Buzz Aldrin would say Loretta, why are we celebrating this guy? And these are people who flew fighter aircraft emissions in the Cold War. So I definitely could appreciate their perspective and respect and understand that. But what we wanted to celebrate was not the Soviet cosmonaut, but this human being and really that idea of getting people to see him not as a Soviet cosmonaut, but to see him as an emissary of all humanity and somebody who represented the first steps for us as a species. And I think the reason why I wanted people to make that switch is because it's helpful for us to make that switch in general to relating to anyone on the planet as a fellow Earthling right on. Right from Earth 2. This is awesome. We're from the same planet. It's amazing. When we go into other star systems it'll be more unique, but right now I want to make it exciting too. Yeah, totally. Oh, I love it. So the goal of yours now is not just to have the space party. The first one was 2001. We did a crazy thing together in 2011 having like a 12 hour party that we hit all different kind of parties around the world and everything. That was fun. It was so much fun. Oh, that's right. That was really amazing. Well, I think one of the things about the planet. Yeah. And I think one of the things that really sort of opened my eyes to it was that I always had thought of world, you know, Yuri's Night was a world space party. It was a world space party. It was this party. And being able to connect to all these different parties around the world you got to see that it's not just the party part, although that's tons of fun but that it's about outreach and it's about connection just like you were saying everyone had their kind of different parties. And I assume that's I've seen some of these great pictures. It's so amazing. That Yuri's Night has a bigger goal than just partying, right? Absolutely. Okay. Tell me a little bit more about that. Yeah, the goal of Yuri's Night, well there's I mean there's a lot but it's to build community and to help people connect over space. Hey, look at that handsome guy. Oh yeah, this is a great picture. And also to bring together the artists and the musicians together with the scientists and the engineers because we all grew up like passionate and excited about space but we don't always get enough access to each other and you know we need the artists and the musicians to help create compelling stories and you know make what we're doing like really accessible to the world and get them excited about it and they need us because they like I like rockets too when I come see the launch you know we're like oh yeah let me get you a pass. So you know it's a team effort and Yuri's Night is one of the ways that we help bridge those communities and make magic happen. That's so great. So Yuri's Night is typically held of course on the anniversary of April 12th or as close to it as possible I think the one in LA this year is actually held on the 13th, is that correct? It'll be on the 8th so we're doing it on Saturday night so Saturday April 8th Saturday before April 12th that works. I mean and then Saturday is really good. 501st, 501st around the world have been really amazing coming to a lot of Yuri's Night events and I was looking at Yuri's Night.net which is the sort of global website should you be interested in finding a party near you or starting a party even there's plenty of time to still do that and there's a lot of great media with like all these different like Yuri's lunch there's I was looking at I had to actually write this down. There were events in zoos, pubs, museums observatories, just general parks on the International Space Station at the South Pole and in virtual reality that's just naming a few. Did you ever think it was going to be like this when you first started? The response has definitely been amazing and I love you know the South Pole party I mean it doesn't love that it tickles me every time and getting the International Space Station involved has been really fun even Curiosity partied on Mars one year you know she was great but I think the one that got me the most is when Disney Junior's Miles from Tomorrow Land show did an entire episode about Yuri's Night and they did it where Miles goes to his first Yuri's Night in Space and I was like wow this is cool. Totally oh that is it's totally great because it reaches a completely different audience. The next generation is already getting trained and I gotta throw party around the 12. I love it that's so cool. So Yuri's Night dot net was where people wow that's 2001 photo. Oh yeah we were digging through some of the archives on some of these things because some of these pictures are just it's really great because the website just got all different kinds of pictures there you go that's the first one too right? 2001? Yep and you guys were on MTV for that one right? We were it was super fun. George has the MTV microphone in his hand and he's sitting on the lunar rover they used for the film From the Earth to the Moon uh yeah it's epic I love this one if I remember correctly this was uh this was like Scotland or Denmark we got this picture from they clearly this was the thing for kids and they were doing stuff throughout the whole day I think there's another picture I don't know if Tim has already gone through it or not but there's this they were doing these the launch rockets like the jumping rockets that was really cute yes to your garden I love that there you go that's the picture there you go stomp rocket just got some good air there too that's awesome right? Oh my goodness I think the thing that touches me the most about Yuri's night uh it's great to be able to go to some sort of party that uh you know for anybody who works inside of the industry it's always great to just be able to cut loose a little bit and then anyone who's interested in becoming part of the industry or just making friends or connecting uh that it's really great for that sort of thing but then I love that it also encourages these little kids that are looking for something to do and to be involved somehow even though you know they're just a kid I think this one's Scotland actually if I remember correctly oh it's so great um you have been quoted as saying something along the lines of when you were little and asked what you wanted to be when you grew up that the job hadn't been invented yet is do you think you think that that job that you want to be when you grow up has been invented yet even oh that's a great question um no but I think I'm here to invent it and well I'm starting to invent my own role now but what I want what I really want to do is um help like a given name what I do and then make it an actual career path and that people could actually make money and raise families and be space evangelists or space I think there's another article yeah I think there's another article I read where you said um you really just want your title to be Jedi but you but that you know you still wanted the payment you know to be able to support the family as a Jedi but I think that's a pretty decent title all the way around I feel like when people hear that title you know when you're like I'm a I'm a space Jedi I mean I I you know like I'm very fortunate and that I get to create a pretty awesome life so actually my title right now is Jedi trainer um if you look on you know my Galactic email my signature file says you know coach consultant Jedi trainer you know I mean I might have made it up myself but it's it's true I like it I that's yeah I think that's my favorite that's super awesome um so if somebody is interested in either creating another Yuri's Night event near them whether that be in their basement at their local pub a park a zoo apparently or an observatory near them uh where should they go what's the first step just go to Yuri's Night.net you can um add your event register your event there it's free it's just so we can have your add your dot to the map and show your show people in your area that they can come to your place for the party and uh it's a fabulous way to get involved it's not too late you got two weeks left um and you can make something cool happen near you what is some of the biggest coolest most interesting weirdest parties that you can remember over the years oh um uh that's a great question so we've had some really cool events we did they did a great one down in Huntsville under the uh Saturn V there at the Marshall Space Center nice which is fantastic because you get to party under Saturn V so uh I thought that was fantastic the Toronto uh Science Center they uh did a big Yuri's Night uh in their museum uh for a few years I think they had you know DJs on the turntables out in the middle of the science museum floor you know it's awesome um we've had a people get a wedding in South Africa no way uh but they that they did on Yuri's Night with a Yuri's Night theme and they had a space shuttle shaped wedding cake with sparklers as the main engines that was pretty epic and of course the the South Pole parties we mentioned I have always been favorites um in Japan they've done a beautiful some cool parties I remember what was gone for us it must have been night for them anyway but the early years the Japan parties was the time they were some of the early ones that was sort of fun to watch and Australia the powerhouse museum's done many events for Yuri's Night um and yeah there's been some oh the they did like a tea ceremony in India or something one year anyway there's oh my gosh and I couldn't I would be remiss Carrie Ann if I didn't also mention the Yuri's Night Bay as which are of course the most epic Yuri's Night parties ever to exist so those were at NASA Ames in like 2010 and maybe 2009 I think there were three of them in total and NASA would um use one of their big hangers and all the like it would be like a mix of NASA engineers and scientists like talking about space stuff and Silicon Valley types and Burning Man artists all coming together to create like a really cool many thousands of people space rave at NASA and they had a they had a um you know Buzz Aldrin was there they had an air show an air show at Yuri's Night they had aerobatic pilots going around um they had people on stilts they had you know all the Burning Man and Playa art you know out on the tarmac um they had Common played um and the Black Eyed Peas and Pharrell was there um yeah that that would definitely be all time time yeah that's crazy I think those are like I definitely missed out on one of those um um what are what are the interesting parties that you're super excited about this year that you know of yeah so um we've got some great lineup if you're so I know if you're in Orlando or Florida I'm looking at you Tim um we have uh an event that just signed up the um the Cloak and Blaster in Orlando nice it should be pretty fun um we have uh an event at the Shabo Space Center in um Oakland California so if you're in the Bay Area you've got your own party again in the Bay Area at Shabo and they've got you know their DJs lined up and um all space scavenger hunts and all kinds of and space beer and all kinds of fun stuff and I'm super excited because we have the first ever Yuri's Night at this year um Smithsonian really oh that's awesome so you know that's been on the bucket list of Yuri's Night for years and this year this is what we Tim and I love it when this happens when they just call us out of the blue and they're like hi this is the Smithsonian we'd like to throw a Yuri's Night um like fantastic so we're really um delighted to add them to the roster this year they're having a pairing of space and beer and so they have the Nincasa Space Beer that they're offering um along with some really special guests and so if you're in DC you're really in luck you can go you know they're very limited tickets so you got to go and sign up for your Smithsonian Air and Space Yuri's Night that sounds incredible and then of course Yuri's Night LA which is on the hosting here in Los Angeles we're doing it under the space shuttle again at the California Science Center we're running out more of the museum this time so we have more rooms of crazy to look to go play in we're gonna have Anusha Ansari speaking the first um we have a space explorer we have Rusty Schweikert from Apollo 9 uh Peter Diamandis who's you know made most of the space stuff we do and um a cool lineup of ten different DJs and you know full bar all night and uh lots of fun planned for Yuri's Night LA that's actually including a Stellarium sorry I'm no no no it's good I'm like oh wait there's one more thing um we uh invested this year in creating a 3D LED map of our neighboring stars shut up because all everybody knows like what planet our stellar our planetary neighbors but we don't know our stellar neighbors yeah so we're gonna have a little introduce you to your stellar neighbors you know art installation where you can um come and hit the control panel and you hit Alpha Centauri Alpha Centauri blink it's Alpha Centauri force being the easiest one to identify right um but like Vega and Bernard Star and um not 25 light years so I'm super excited for that to like for those of us who want to be interstellar navigators you know start learning your way around uh neighborhood yeah totally it's like Google Maps for Stars I like it that's so funny uh you know you know really quickly you mention Peter Diamandis and uh Ben and I have kind of always joked that uh you know all these different things like you said that are are like a Diamandis production uh you you got the idea for your or started one of the first year he's nights or conceptualized for uh while at International Space University is that correct yeah so your he's night kind of is a Diamandis production what did she say completely because it's also we got got the we brought the idea to the space generation forum in Austria hmm Vienna and Vienna Austria in 1999 and that's where I met the people from around the world these delegates from all these countries who are like wait we want to throw parties in our countries too and that's where I met George the co-creator who came up with the name Yuri's night and um so you know without and space generation forum wouldn't have happened without Peter as well so that's another Peter spinoff so you know the founding conference and then you know the ISU where I worked on it as my individual project and then we launched it so yeah Peter's been a patron saint of mine for years and years I love it that's that's that's my favorite thing um we had a couple of comments and questions from the chat room if you're good there sure neuro pilot says has anyone ever done an amateur rocket launch for Yuri's night that's a great question um I can't think of any off top my head although we do have some planned for this year we have a Yuri's night kids event in Los Angeles yeah at the Columbia Memorial Space Center in Downey on in the afternoon before the party 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. and we're gonna be actually have estus rockets there and so well not like I mean maybe when he says amateur rockets maybe it means like the ones that go to 100,000 feet I was thinking the estus kind but you know either way they're all amateur actual lighting fire rockets um for the kids uh estus rockets at Downey um but if anyone has any you know bigger amateur rockets that they want to launch for Yuri's night that'd be awesome take a picture I love it uh Johnny Spacer says I think it's time for a documentary about Yuri's night uh it would also just make a really good promo that's a great idea I don't think we have anything like that yet yeah totally I don't I like it uh interstellar robo says can you set up a Minecraft in Yuri's night I don't even know what that means I mean alright we'll just say yes then how about if you want to have a Minecraft Yuri's night party right in Minecraft oh yeah for sure we've done them in second life and they're doing one in Nevis or some other online platform so yeah doing one in Minecraft very pixelated super cool oh my goodness just imagining the Yuri's night logo in Minecraft right it's like somebody folks that that'll be great that would be epic I love it oh my goodness okay so if people need to find out more information Yuri's night .net and then uh anything else am I missing anything um yeah for the Yuri's night la just go to la.yuri's night.net um anything else we do have some like ending questions we'd like to end all of our uh well lately we'd like to end all of our interviews on if if you're okay with that um sure let's do that yeah alright so uh there's no wrong answers as Ben likes to say although he's highlighting all of them for me and drive me absolutely bonkers so thanks for that Ben um there's no wrong answers it's just however you however you feel so we're good there uh the moon or Mars first the moon nice uh would you go to space or moon or Mars uh yes I already have my suborbital ticket nice yay and my dream is to go take a retirement crew pleasure cruise around Saturn so you guys get working on that nice copy that alright somebody write that down um when do you think humans will first land on Mars ooh so many variables um right I definitely think it's possible in the next 10 years um I think it's more realistic in the next 20 years and if we don't do it in the next 30 years something's gone drastically wrong yeah yeah agreed when do you think humans will set foot on the moon again that's a great question it's interesting because not as many people are talking about that or working on that but I I mean I just think it's so close three light seconds come on that's awesome it's like right there like the corner store so I think it's definitely a good place to go I mean having spent time at the bottom of the ocean and in the Arctic and other space analogs like you really appreciate what it is to do operations in a remote environment where you don't have 9-1-1 where you can't get airlifted to a hospital and so I think when you're starting to do really complex um you know off-world operations I think it definitely behooves you to make sense to go to the moon first just to practice just to get experience just to learn what you're doing we haven't been there in my lifetime I mean yeah you got some shit to learn people oh wait can I as yeah we're an internet show it's fine and then I definitely get some you know get our experience up on the moon on how to do ops and then yeah let's go let's go for Mars I love it and then uh why space oh that's a really important one to me that's like my soul my heart and soul um I think we need to go to space as a species because it'll help us grow and help us become the species we've always wanted to be and I think if you try to justify it on economic grounds or you know anything else it's um it's underselling what space could be for us and I think the the only way I can explain to people who don't just feel it innately in their heart just understand it and grok it themselves is to say the closest thing to it explaining it is that it's like how it's it's the same reason we have children it doesn't make any sense to have children they're very difficult and they cost a lot of money just like space but we keep doing it anyway and we do it for um we don't do it for economic benefits we don't do it for scientific purposes we have kids because of it's meaningful and um and it's something important important investment in the species and I think that's the same reason we do space I think that's a lovely way of putting that chat room is agreeing we're getting comments like your enthusiasm is amazing and very moving which I would have to agree yeah thank you Loretta I appreciate alright oh my goodness I have to dry my eyes we're going to take a break and when we come back we're going to have comments questions concerns complaints from last week's show stay with us we'll be right back cars and trains bustling everywhere crowds of people working shopping and visiting maybe for the first time tomorrow sees cities a little differently we see buildings but also a thriving ecosystem we hear the cars the trains and envision a better way we see cities as a place to call home and as a place worth the journey cities with a past and a present but especially a bright future come with us and explore the cities of tomorrow and welcome back to tomorrow now before we get into comments questions concerns and criticisms is that how you worded it that was brilliant I don't know it was quite brilliant from our last week show I do want to give a shout out to all the patrons of tomorrow who don't want to make this specific segment of this episode happen these are people who've contributed ten dollars or more we also have our suborbital members these are people who've contributed five dollars or more and we've got our suborbital people these are people who've contributed two dollars and fifty cents or more yeah I'm walking around there and you can't see it and then we've got our our ground support crew these people who've contributed one dollar up to two dollars and forty nine cents to find out how you can get your name in the show and help support all the different shows of tomorrow head on over to patreon.com slash tmro and as you saw in the opening up tomorrow cities I know and a lot of people are like I don't understand how cities relate to space and actually it does quite a bit and before we get into comments I did want to I'm very excited for cities I'm actually for those who have been around for a long time part of the reason we renamed from a space vidcast to tomorrow was so we could do other shows because we think there's a lot more going on out there and you are already space geeks all of you are space geeks so finding a show like tomorrow and a community like tomorrow is easy and a natural place for you but we don't want to just get the existing space geeks excited about space because we already agree we should be going to space we want to get people who don't know their space geeks yet excited about space and here's the thing all things talk to space all things relate to space in one way or another the future cities that we're designing right now some of these very green cities these cities with a next generation transportation on all of these things relate to how we're going to build habitats on Mars how we're going to live on the moon and a lot of that technology moves back and forth between the two and so at the center of all of it is tomorrow space and jettison out from that will be tomorrow cities later this year will have tomorrow science tomorrow tech a bunch of different things or what I'm hoping to do with the tomorrow platform is get other people who weren't necessarily excited about space into the fold of space through a different mechanism and so one way or another it will all be back to this particular show so I'm very excited to do that we're going to have a patreon chat coming up on April 8th I believe it is in place of this show and we'll be talking a lot more about cities and what you can expect from that particular show so that'll be premiering April 15th at 1930 coordinated universal time which will be right after this show that Saturday I'm very very excited I hope you guys are excited too it will be rough to get started because it's a brand new show being done in a totally different way so bear with us as we try to get our attention so I think it's going to be a really great thing for us all right Capcom let's get into some criticisms I don't think they're really we do get quite a few and I like to bring them into the show once in a while but yeah I think these were decent comments from this last week so last week we talked to zero to infinity and so that's where balloons up balloons really high and then rockets from there it was boons on boons on boons what it felt like balloons super blue and a muffin all I remember is donut donut muffin yes donut donut muffin yeah but then it looks like that was perfect right then you understood it it works correctly okay this first comment comes off of YouTube from a 2000 warned let's to lion easy to say I'm so glad somebody chose this particular comment what am I on I'm on no I'm on keep going this time the Japanese did a countdown 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 now you can count to 10 in Japanese sometimes the Japanese use she instead of yon for 4 but she also means death so it's not often used like 13 in the US being bad luck I think this show is responsible for spreading bad data and that bad data was that the Japanese counted up instead of down I think that was mentioned in a comment and I think we all said we said it and we didn't actually validate it I don't think that's true I went back after the show and I don't remember them ever counting up instead of down I mean they might count up after the fact as well but they absolutely count down to their launch so that I don't think that data is correct I think they count down and then possibly count up but I generally don't remember them even counting up I think they count down to a launch like normal the big difference between a lot of launch providers is do you count down to engine ignition which unlike a solid vehicle doesn't matter or do you count down to lift off on a liquid based vehicle matters because it's going to be after engine ignition so I think that was kind of the thing we were talking about at the time I don't think they count up I could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure that that data on the show is I don't think they always do that well not always but sometimes they do like plus one, plus two like Istro does that for pretty much every launch yes up to ten I think they stop after that alright next up Capcom comes off of YouTube this is from Jamie Godman Godman not sure 3.7 billion for SLS slash Orion SLS being space launch system the worst part of NASA's budget how on earth does it take 3 plus billion each year for a rocket that has never flown it's not like NASA's developing some new propulsion technology or any new tech for that matter it's just SDS with only a same but bigger SDS was a space transportation system it was the space shuttle yeah I was getting there the SLS system is going to cost us taxpayers over 30 billion by the time the rocket ever takes flight ok fair comment it does cost a lot allow me to push back a little bit and say 3 billion is not just for the rocket it's for the people to design and the ground systems and rebuilding the pad I mean remember pad 39B which is where they're going to launch the space launch system from they've basically gutted 39B and they're going to have to rebuild it with the mobile launch platform they're going to have to get all that infrastructure up and running it's not cheap or easy and I would argue potentially harder than the rocket itself because there's just a lot of stuff that happens on the ground systems you've got all the people that need to design the rocket and the ground systems, all the people that need to fly it all the training that needs to go on having said that, 3 billion is a lot I don't know it's just a lot of money for a rocket it's a stupid amount of money for a rocket anybody that's ever done any kind of manufacturing knows that tooling is probably the most expensive portion of your manufacturing process and if you're going to build one you need all the tools for it if you're going to build 30 the cost of the tooling per rocket it decreases to a point where you hardly notice it but since they're only building one at the moment all of that tooling cost has to be paid up front so that they can build the one and then now that the tooling is there then they can build over and over and over again inside of the same tools and it costs much less they'll they'll build and fly one, they'll build two that's my theory I think they'll fly one of them and the second one will be partially through production before they're like, no we don't need this anymore but we'll see you side every day astronaut what do you think, do you disagree or do you well I just I feel like I want it to fly three times because I think that's how many engines actually we have I'm basing it off of the number of RS-25 main engines is 12 or is it 16 divide that by four and that's how many rockets I would like to see fly if we're building this, if we're doing it once we again, like Dutta said once we tool it and have it all ready to go it's still a billion it's still a billion dollars per launch though that's very true yeah okay so we don't have to pay for the tooling anymore but it's still a billion bucks yeah I mean I just want to fly but at this point I just want stuff to fly period I don't really care there's better use of the money I believe I don't know so I'll say I'm 50-50 on this one so I'm not rooting against the space launch system it's just very very expensive if it could get the cost down I would be all for it because having a super heavy lift rocket like this is a good thing having this capability is a good thing it's not a bad thing the cost per launch is not okay there's no point in doing that just let the commercial sector take care of it didn't the space shuttle end up being over a billion dollars per launch anyway over a billion dollars per launch anyway and I would argue that the space shuttle was the darkest moment in NASA's history simply because it got stuck into low earth orbit for so long it ruined our ability to go to Mars it ruined our ability to go to the moon it was a beautiful and graceful vehicle that was a series of compromises that turned it into this thing that just sucked up money and became a jobs program and that's probably not a popular opinion that's okay send your hate mail I know there are people in this room who do not agree with that that's Benjamin ATMRO.TV I know Ben is a bastard but but now that we don't have the shuttle anymore now we can start looking to do in deep space stuff so even at a billion dollars space launch system still costs potentially less than the shuttle and can do a lot more but even at that point again the commercial industry has stepped up and they're doing well no one's doing what the space launch system is right now but by the time the space launch system flies maybe because NASA's going slowly too they're taking their time and I think did not see the writing on the wall in this one but we'll see so for those who don't know the manned space program out in NASA the space launch system is pushed down NASA's throat through Huntsville so the policies are set for that there it's a good old boys club kind of thing going on alright next up next comment comes off of Reddit from Wiz33 it is getting crowded in this small launcher space director all aiming to launch this or next year I mean yeah I guess a little bit but the thing is that I think we're not used to hearing about small launchers because we have a humans spaceflight kind of focus in general sure but the small launchers are launching other things that have become more and more popular like not even just small satellites but like the CubeSats and the MicroSats and the Post-itsSaps and the NanoSats and other tiny things that could like fill this room you still need a launcher for those and anything that's medium or large or anything bigger than that isn't going to be cost effective for them now there's a need for having small launchers and not just like one company doing it but more than one company doing it so I mean yeah I guess it's getting crowded but at the same time I feel like it's becoming more and more necessary now more than ever than it has before so I don't know that it's necessarily crowded in a bad way all ships rise to the tide and I think the more people you can get to the more taxis are available the more people can get to more places so the more small launchers we have then the more experiments that schools can do or Boy Scout troops can do or you can do I think the more the better honestly two things can happen one they're all going to get used because the market has pent up demand for something like this so all these launchers are going to get we may even see more companies doing small launchers or two the competition is going to drive a bunch of them to merge and go out of business I actually have no idea which one is going to be it can go either way it could be three this is not the first time we've seen a new space resurgence or new space era upon us or with companies like Beale Aerospace and none of them survived so that is a possibility as well but I think that one is much less likely at this juncture in humanity yeah alright next comment comes off of youtube from Hans 611 we're all like I can't argue with that it's good Hans 611 from off of youtube says lol US tech companies have no problem sponsoring migrants that's how I got here the US has been sucking the world's minds for years like taking them in legal immigration of educated skilled workers has never been an issue like this company in Spain all EU workers and highly qualified I don't know what that's in reference to one of the questions that came across for when we were talking about you're based in Spain so who do you have working for you how big is your group and where do they all come from and he's like oh yeah they come from everywhere it's great well they don't have ITAR to deal with we just have everybody they can't redact it yeah lol lol and it is also really great to have companies like that if you are not getting hired in the US for any myriad of reasons maybe start looking outside the US because they don't have those kinds of those kinds of restrictions thank you that's the word I want alright next comment comes off of youtube this one comes from Philip Dum says I love the insight you guys have into all these companies not just about what they do but who they are and their philosophy someone with a silly dream to one day work in the industry I would love to see more of these and maybe a space pod comparing the innovations and motivations behind these companies the things that are usually so obscured behind a logo not a silly dream here's the thing and that's what we've all been saying that's what we've been trying to say space touches everyone and everything and because of that as humanity steps out increases its foot put into the solar system we're going to need one of everyone up there we need chefs we need janitors we need engineers everything you can think of down here we need miners people mining like Armageddon it's not miners exactly I'm excited to see how the transcriptionist deals with that segment right there but we need all of these people living and working in space so not only is it not a silly dream to say I want to work for one of these aerospace companies they're going to need you everyone who watches this show they're going to now may not be the right timing because now they need a very specific type of person to get them to where they need to get to but once we're living and working in space and that's the norm it's not 6 people in space it's the CIS Lunar 1000 plan it's not 1000 people in space and then 10,000 people in space and then 100,000 so forth and so on once that happens everyone I think will be highly sought after but if you focus on your everyone's good at something if you focus on what you're good at and give it a space bend I have little doubt that you will be highly sought after when that in the chat room says how about psychotherapists yeah especially in space yeah but yeah that's probably going to be one of the first professions needed in space because it gets so lonely keep everybody calm on that end I have people on Instagram asking me all the time I want to work for NASA what should I study and I basically just study what you're passionate about and just apply it to there's so many fields even at NASA and private companies just study what you're passionate about and then apply it to that like you were saying it's just so open and there's a lot more than just NASA too NASA's one place that's trying to go out there and go to the stars but there are a lot of private companies who want to do this now as well so many more so than before even like the spacesuits that's a private company and they need seamstresses seamstresses seamstresses once again I encourage you to turn on the caption to see how they dealt with that much like Loretta was saying sometimes I think that my dream job isn't even something that's been invented yet maybe that's exactly the way it is and you should just continue to follow your passion whatever that is and then yeah just adhere in space it's fine as pigs in space is great just continue to go along the path that you that interests you most that you're most passionate about and then just tag on in space at the end I think smashers coming I still don't know if there's a job for a genuine fake astronaut like I'm still trying that so I'll be your poster boy as far as like seeing if there you can just make up a job let's be fair in whatever was it not Brazil there's a country in South America that currently like hires people to dress up as zebras fake zebras right to help people across the street so right I don't see why a fake astronaut wouldn't be necessary still just saying not saying needed for the inspiration that's for sure exactly I think smashers comment is funny says psychologist hashtag safe space aha say yeah will citizens says I can do therapy with sitting with sitting people I can certainly do it yeah exactly all right next up last comment comes off of YouTube this one comes from I just realized by the way I made everyone upset with my shuttle comment and then I made everyone like yeah with my last like there's a job for everyone in space so I think everyone like has this love hate relationship of me right now so do we that's how it works the general consensus no but yes but no shut up Ben preach thank you oh goodness this is why this is why you love the show all right this comes from nightlight ABCD off of YouTube says great show as always the idea of floating on the edge of space and seeing the curvature of the earth in a safe environment is really awesome love the show and keep the great and where it was coming years from now as these space pioneers have greater success and accomplishments hopefully you'll have the interviews in your archives of how they were and what they were doing years before history is being made on every show oh you know what's interesting is I get pushback from some people who work for a four little acronym space agency of sorts because we have a lot of people on the show who there is a very high probability that they will not succeed they just they just want sure but there are a lot of people who will as well and there they kind of get sick of like well yeah but they're not going to do anything so why am I listening to them the thing is they may not but they might you can't count everyone out yet and so I am very excited for the the little company little guy who actually does succeed and does make it and was on the show and we have one of their first year interviews that will absolutely happen probably more than once and I'm really excited to have that like go back you know 20 you know 20 years in the future then go back to these episodes and pull those first things and see how it differs and what their plan was and their vision and their passion how it changed because it will definitely change things will you'll have to alter course to compensate for something but I'm excited for that I'm excited to share that all of that with you guys because I think that's what makes this interesting and let's be fair honestly if they really aren't going to do anything and they have no idea what their thing is that they're trying to sell to us anyway we don't bring them on the show that's not entirely true we have and that makes for a hilarious interview okay we don't bring them on the show anymore we haven't done that since we switched over to tomorrow I think this is true who knows maybe that guy you had on a couple weeks ago Tori Bruno he has that ULA is that the potential that guy possibly maybe maybe who knows I believe in him I think he could do it that's because you got the mohawk bonding that's why yeah because we're hair brothers alright we're hair brothers that's our show we'd like to thank everyone so much for watching next week speaking of little companies that might be able to do something neat in the future we have got George Whitesides the CEO of Virgin Galactic and Virgin Orbit coming on that's an interesting last name I feel like Orbit we just just had a weird for those of you watching live after dark is up next for everyone else to be available in four weeks unless you're a Patreon subscriber at the suborbital level or above thank you so much for watching see you next week