 Okay, we're a hello video people. We're about to record a special episode of Star Wars the Force Awakens Here we go The Daily Tech news show me the Daily I was born Tom the Daily To support Tom go to Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Monday December 28th 2015 I'm Tom Merritt joining me today Jenny Josephson our producer as we talk to the analysts Jenny It's time for our quarterly analysts call Yeah, I love talking to people especially our people. Yeah, it's much more fun than most analysts calls We will not be talking about stock prices We will not be trying to cover up the fact that we're going to spin out our Alibaba shares or anything like that No Instead we're going to talk to a few analysts Who are supporting us on patreon? I cannot thank them enough for their extra level of support to make this show happen Mike aka gadget chaser. How are you sir? He's on mute because he's polite. Ah, that's very polite of you I Still on mute because he's polite. It's hard to get off polite. I mean off mute We'll figure that out in a minute Brian is also here. Thank you for joining us Brian Tom it's good to be here and Harrison alongside as well. Thank you Harrison. Yeah, thank you Tom. Glad to be here make it and Randy from Ohio with us as well Hi, Randy. Hi Tom. Thanks for being here. Oh, thanks for your support boss. I appreciate it We're gonna talk to these guys in a little bit We're also gonna take calls if you are an analyst who is watching live and on Skype with the secret Skype account Get ready to just let me know if you have a question You want to call in with and I will I will ring you up on the Skype line in a little bit Let's start though. A lot of people ask from time to time How much money do we actually make from patreon? How much money do we get from PayPal? What do we spend the money on and that sort of thing? So I wanted to give you a little insight into that This is through November the total amount of money that DTNS has got from patreon is a hundred forty six thousand three hundred dollars That's the complete amount after they take their fees and credit card fees and all of that for two years, right? No, that's January through November. Oh Wow, just just the 11 months. Okay, so Let's see I've got a calculator. Let's take one forty six three hundred divided by eleven That's thirteen thousand three hundred a month on average So if you've been seeing that sixteen thousand number since May that gives you an idea how much gets taken out of that PayPal total three thousand a hundred fourteen So that is about two hundred eighty three dollars a month So when people say wait, does the PayPal amount count towards the milestone goals? I always say well sure it does But it doesn't really get us To them At this point and the way I think about it Jenny I don't know if I've ever even expressed this out loud. I may have patreon lets us calculate our run rate Right. So if if we know, okay, we're gonna get around $13,000 a month we know how much we can commit to spending a month which allows us to hire a person and say we'll pay you this much every month To do contributions or producing or whatever the PayPal amounts give us capital expenditures for lack of a little word So well like for example if we want to send people to CES and put them in the cheapest hotel 10 miles off the strip That is the PayPal amount. That is how we manage to do that Yeah, it's an amount that's sitting there that could be spent for a one-time use like that Merchandise also gets us that same amount over the course of 11 months We've made a thousand five hundred dollars thousand five hundred seven dollars on merchandise And so that's well, and then we also get a little bit of advertising from YouTube Which actually since YouTube red came along? Our number from YouTube has gone up because we have longer episodes and they pay by the minute for YouTube red So two hundred ninety four dollars and fifty seven cents for the year From YouTube, so what is that? That's the DTNS pizza budget. Yeah, right? $26.78 a month and and honestly like I think a hundred of those dollars are people who use the YouTube donation button Which probably nobody even knows is there So we don't we know you nobody gets a lot of money from YouTube except for PewDiePie and my wife because she works there Well, what about the bitcoins? Ah The bitcoins we have received a total of I don't know. I don't know exactly how many around two bitcoins And those are things that I consider long-term investments I'm very happy when people tip us with Bitcoin. I very much appreciate it. I am not Going to spend those anytime soon. That is that is the DTNS retirement account. Yes, so does our costs so of the 151,200 dollars or so that we have gotten in over the past 11 months 146,520 has gone to pay for people most of this goes to pay for people And that's Jenny and I make the same amount and we both get the most because we spend the most time on This and then we pay a certain amount to Roger to help out We pay a certain amount to the contributors and that's it those those are all the people you know all the people It's me Roger Jenny Veronica all know all the contributors. So that's about thirteen thousand three hundred twenty dollars a month We pay about we've paid about nine thousand dollars in payroll tax Over the course of the year we had to pay eighteen hundred dollars for workers compensation insurance Moriae America. Yeah, so we've actually I mean when you look at this we've lost money So far this year that is kind of intentional Because I want to grow us towards a break-even and because I had that job With doing connected tech. I figured that that loss comes out of my salary Because I'm gonna take some time off to make that salary. So some of that went to pay say Bryce We paid contributors a little extra money when they filled in for me So it it essentially I look at it and say okay, then that's that's about broken even for us So what you're saying is the guy that works the absolute hardest? Took the pay cut That's not what I'm saying what I'm saying is if you look at patreon and you see $14,000 up there now with the new adjusted level which by the way if people don't know they've changed the way They report the amount so that you actually see a more accurate prediction of what we'll get which is really helpful Yeah, yeah, it is That isn't all going to me That's mostly going to the to all of us to make the show and The reason I do it that way. I mean we could we could not employ as many people we could do the show differently We could do it cheaper. I want DTNS to be Something that I can do because I want to do this kind of show anyway But I also want it to be a platform for the people who use it to let Justin Promote the contender to let Scott promote his book and his other frog pants enterprises Or even in Jenny and Roger's case to build up experience doing our show In a way that can help them do other projects and one of those Jenny for you is tell it anyway There's consulting that you've been doing and and there are other things that you want to do yes, and You know, I love this show I'm here on the show every day, but there may come a day in the future where I Get freelance jobs or other kind of jobs that mean that I would remove from the day-to-day of DTNS Which by the way is now a very mature show with a very Concise and amazing work process and so people plug in and plug out of that work process as needed But I think the takeaway would be there will be no job I will ever take that will keep me from being a part of this community and a part of this active Working community it just might you know alter and move and shape and we might do the same for all of us at some point Design, right? I mean the design is that Jenny can take this experience and do something cool Alongside and so maybe you don't see her every day in the future. Maybe you do we're not saying anything She's not going anywhere. I'm not gonna let her go anywhere Yeah, but if if you get opportunities and Roger gets opportunities, that's what we want We want that to happen and then that makes room for maybe bringing some other people in well Yeah, and that's the thing that I love about this show is that when we need people because of this amazing community People arrived like this summer We needed Bryce Castillo to do work for us because my setup was not technically ready To host the show and in comes Bryce with his bios and his savvy tech and did it and we were able to pay him for That and then you know, we've had other instances where we've just needed people for a discrete task and they've come They've done it like they've done an amazing job. And so that's the future We envision is a place where we get to help people do cool things that they can put on their resume That is a future. I love. Yeah. I mean it to me. It's a corner of that. I Sometimes in the past called it an open-source way of doing things It's not entirely an open-source way of doing things if you're really into open source You would pull that apart and rightly so but it's an open way of doing things that says The point of doing DTNS is to help people do things better in some ways. That's contributors From the audience people sending us emails with their particular form of expertise that help us understand an issue better In some ways, it's you know helping you as a listener just understand technology better It's in some ways. It's helping the people that make the show To get experience and learn how to do cool things. So that's that's all part of the design Of what we're doing here. And I hope that's I hope that continues I hope that that gains momentum and gains speed because That may not have been what I set out to do on January 1st 2013, but it's become one of the coolest things about doing Yeah Yeah, we added a survey out there to the patrons and Got people to let us know what they thought this particular survey unlike the one we did mid-year was more Multiple choice. It was basically taking some of those comments that we got in the mid-year survey and saying, okay Let's ask everybody. What do you think of these parts of things? So I asked what do you think of the Friday art drawings? 56% of people or 55% of people said they're perfect as is so more than half You love what we do with Len on Fridays exactly the way we do it 16% said maybe you could do them quicker on the audio and spend more time doing them after the show for video So we're thinking about that. We don't want to short change the 55% who love it as is But maybe spend a little more time in the video portion after the audio is done Talking about it in ways that you want to look at it to see it and 14% said cool Should be moved after audio sensitive. It's a visual thing And then 10% said other and only 3% didn't like it. So that's pretty good. I think I think lens a hit No, yeah And I what I took away from that survey is I'm always looking at the guest things like who people want his guests and who they like his guests and So I have to do my obligatory thing which lets you know that APM's marketplace tapes at the exact same time as daily tech news show Which is perhaps why you have not seen Molly wood on this show as much as she was before she got the job So I just want to tell you that it's not that she doesn't love us It's because she's on a job the tapes at the same time essentially as close of market So we're moving the show The show that 9 a.m. But the other takeaway is That you know, I would like to kick up more the The layering in of guests on top of the contributors not literally on top of because we want them to be able to breathe You know, so like in a week where we have You know, I always want to give each contributor one solid day of the month where that's just them and Tom Because I really like the dynamic, but in 2016 I would like to see a layering process That's like, okay, so let's get a contributor and let's get our friend brekkie or hockey buzz or you know Are all of our Allison all of our amazing guests layered or topic specialist like To do with Peter Newell right earlier in the month And and and be able to bring folks in who can talk specifically about a particular part of technology Yes, and the only other thing I took away from that survey is I Appreciate all of you who would like to have me in the discussion section. I'm taking it to heart I'll be in there if there's something I'm an expert on but I do have thoughts about how to honor that Request that I keep getting I'm very humbled by that request And we have some thoughts about that if we're gonna get them now That's another thing that will make sure that we don't Reduce Jenny ever Yeah, is if we gave her something Did you do on the seventh and on the seventh day? Yeah, what do you think a pick of the day 71.4% said that it is perfect as is that's pretty clear What do you think of the patron intros now? We recently kind of jumbled these up so it's not a clear read whether they mean the old ones or the new set But 69% said perfect as is what do you think of the discussion section? This is the most popular 86.4% said perfect as is ideal headline format was 51% saying moving through the headlines quickly with small discussions was good 43% said discussing most of the headlines for context was good and we kind of go back and forth between that So I think that's why we see that reaction 79.9% say the show's length is good 11% say it's too short. So that to me, that's right on target And then the post-show audio segments Are something that I think we're gonna and I've been talking with the folks who do them We we want to make them something that is valuable 35% said I don't mind them. They're easy enough to skip which it's like well We want you to like them, but that's okay as long as you're not upset about them 28% said I like them They they just wanted a little more quality control and that could apply to the main show as well So that's fair enough and 27% said love them more, please So to me that says you like the idea for the most part most of you like the idea of post-show segments You just need to work with the people who submit them to to make sure they're really good And I think that we've made some progress since we asked this question about that So I think what we're getting is is really good stuff Mostly, it's just Karen and Big Jim that are sending them now and those are those have both improved Over the course of doing them, which is to do anything more often it gets better. So I like having Topic-specific people sending us their take Karen with its medical Big Jim it's trade and I think that can be really valuable for people All right. Thank you to the people who responded to that survey and keep an eye out for future surveys We'll probably do another one this summer let's get into a discussion with our analysts who have joined us today and Now this is the part where I put you guys on the spot and then you all wait for someone else to speak first So Mike, I know I know you have questions because we were talking about it in the slack earlier And so I'm gonna make you go first. I hope that's okay What do you got for us? Oh Crap, and then I forgot that Mike's Mike microphone had been muted earlier Drop out of this hangout Restart your browser and then come back in and make sure the mic didn't get and make sure the mic is on when you do it Because sometimes it will just keep it in an off position Dear hangouts. We love you. Here's the other thing Now that Mike's gone one of you guys has to take over Jump up who wants to go first? Don't look around. I nominate Brian. Okay, okay Questions What what are some of your goals for next year to add to the show maybe some of your thoughts on where you might add Something new sure Specifically if people aren't aware I feel like I need to talk about it more often is day six So we want Peter Wells to be able to host that Sunday version of Daily Tech news show from Australia With an Australian perspective naturally because that's where he is But really just trying to do another good day of technology coverage in Peters style I think it's something that people would enjoy and find really interesting. So we're making some progress towards that goal It's always difficult in the holidays and then they changed the way they show the results Which made us have to change the milestone marker, but I want to get to that That's my number one priority is to get us to the point where we can have Peter doing that And if you're worried about the fact that I said earlier that we weren't making money That will that will actually fix that budget error as well number two is that Project that we vaguely alluded to Jenny taking on and I don't know how much Jenny wants to say about can I say it? Can I just say it want to just say it? I'll just say it We don't have a goal for you yet But so part of the reason I was thinking about part of the reason why I don't often join the discussion section And that is because I'm still at the point in technology coverage where I'm covering it like someone who's you know Reasonably familiar with a beat, but it is not my primary area of expertise for that. Please see current geek And media matters the future show But I did want a way to do what I really love to do most with the show Which is connecting with the people who contribute to it who listen to it who watch it? And so we are thinking as a next not quite yet added level after the international version of me doing DTNS day seven which I guess you could call the Daily Tech normal show Which would be a show that I host where I go back over the topics that we covered in the first days of DTN on the rest of The days of DTNS and say okay, I did not understand this I did not understand that and ask on to the show as my guests all of you who are Experts in the topic so our audience members our patrons our contributors and have you explain it to me because I can read it and get the contextual gist, but just the other day. We did a thing where in the post show I was talking on Friday. We're talking to Darren and Tom and I was listening to them to talk about Sha one and a shot two certificates And I was like okay I could make up a line in my head about what this is But I'll admit I'm a little lost and so in the post show I said hey smart guys Explain to me a shot one versus shot two certificate what it does and why I should care and they did and it was a lot of fun And so that's our plan for DTNS day seven after we reach DTNS day six There you go. It's been announced. That sounds really cool. I like that Well, we got to get us to day six. Yeah, they say seven. Yeah, I mean not you particularly Brian I'll do on my part. Yeah, you do play But if there's one thing I've learned over the past two years is that our audience is filled with really smart people doing Really interesting things and I can think of no better group of people to really get in depth on a particular topic that I may not fully understand That's a really cool idea Mike can we hear you yet? Hey All right, didn't you do and did that give you a chance to think of something to say? Actually, yeah, I did have something to say based on what you and Jenny were talking about earlier the thing I love when you have Extra guests on that aren't the regular contributors especially when the regular contributors are on also is that Chance not only to hear what they have to say But also those contributors do a great job of asking questions and that interview and the interplay between all three Is great. So I mean when you're looking at that layered approach that that Jenny talked about Maybe consider that you have your contributors, but if you can get a guest Sometimes the show works really great with three depending on the subject. Yeah. Yeah, 100% agree. I'm glad you think that way Because we definitely want to do that and we're open to ideas, too I mean we doesn't mean that if you send us an idea will for sure book that person But we're always looking for interesting people that we can work in and we want the contributors to do that, too We want you know Veronica's the one who suggested Peter Newell And we've had other people suggested by other contributors. So we're all working together brainstorm And I think it'll just make it even better. Yeah Who's got the next question? I'll ask one. Yeah, thank you Randy Are you thinking about doing anything like breaking news or maybe extended coverage for like Apple events or Google events anything like that? Yeah, I get asked that a lot To be honest that is my least favorite thing to do so which is one of the main reasons I've I've resisted it I prefer to watch and take note of that stuff so that I can provide better coverage on the actual show Afterwards after I've absorbed it a little it's fun to do the mystery science theater thing along with it And there are plenty of places who do that and do it well. Yeah I mean back when we started doing it on CNET it was because there were a couple of live blogs and Leo I think was the only person doing it and so we're like, oh, well, let's do it for you know for our audience as well Now it seems like tons of people do it and and do it well like Jenny said so it's not top priority for me I would never say I would not say we'll never do it But I would rather spend my time say, you know coming up with a special that explains a topic like Bitcoin Or or job one or something and also what what the level of what it takes to do a show like that. Well is Some advanced knowledge of what is coming out which means, you know, like you're doing the research beforehand You're also working with the with the companies themselves to make sure that the information you're getting is accurate And then I always feel like I much prefer when you just sit and watch something as a viewer or as a listener Just sit and absorb it and think about what you think about it and then go to some source later in the day and find out What they think about it? I'm not a big fan of like the the multitasking overlay of like oh, here's a moment of silence Let's say something really quick about the Apple watch I'd rather just think it and then talk about it later And I think that's one of the things that you know that is sort of the mission of this show of Daily Tech New show which is to actually sit back and analyze something before we talk about it and You know all the work that Tom does going into this show is he does a lot of work for every daily show Discussion section and making sure he's really up to date and I just if we were to do stuff like that I really wouldn't want it to be you know, I don't know I kind of I kind of like what the Tom's version of it. Yeah, it's just a different style of Randy I mean Does that does that depress you? I'm sorry Yeah, yeah for sure Well, we'll definitely keep it in mind because you're not the first person to ask about it for sure. Yeah All right, Harrison that that leaves you as the only one who hasn't asked us anything you got Yeah, I'll say my biggest thing on my sadly, I'm the guy with notes Oh, nice. Is that a moleskin? It is I took it on this year and absolutely love it, which is Fits in the bag well and same size as an iPad. That's what I took all my pretend I'm dumb about Star Wars notes on was a moleskin. It worked really well Yeah, it's kind of changed the way I do my work and it's very low tech But my biggest thing is the time you'll put in it's just I'm sure you don't even calculate because you don't I know it half the time, but it's amazing and thank you all for that Oh, thanks, man Because I know I can't put the time in the do the background research. I'll do which is just amazing Then the other thing I biggest thing I love about the show and I forgot to put in the survey was just how personal it is It's one as I feel like I give you a heck sometimes when it's like, oh, you forgot to say I only works for youtube Um, well thankfully big Jim gave me this mug So I will never forget Yeah, so I love the personal side of the show because it's just It feels more like a conversation than you're talking that Thousands of people out here about tech news every day. So it's really I don't know It's I enjoy it on my commute back and forth Or on a plane wherever I'm at and it's just one of the few shows every day I know I'm catching up on it's Try to get it as soon as I can And the the other thing is the quality. I don't know which I'll do different than anybody else But your audio quality even on this is amazing. We have a tom. Yes, what we do differently than anything else. We have a tom merit Yeah We try our best man I mean warms my heart because two of the biggest things I want to happen is you feel like We saved you time and made you smarter because honestly anybody could do what I do They could go read all the tech news And then decide what they think about it my my whole contribution I hope is that I'm pretty good at it And so I deliver it in a way where you feel like oh, I'm so glad I didn't have to go read all that stuff Now I have an idea and I can go research more about the ones I want and that we do it in a way that's pleasant and conversational is that that's exactly what we're hoping for That's awesome And uh, something you brought up on the survey was more international So I'm really excited about the day six like this year. I had an experience that's been about six months in china Wow, so uh, it was interesting to see I spent two months of that in hong kong and to see the technology changes That just the way things are dealt so differently. So I'm excited to see more of that Because I've spent a lot of time overseas in europe and other places So can you be one of our correspondence for the day six show? Uh, if I'm home for a little while. All right, but uh, I've been on the road quite a bit this past year It's been interesting. I've been on new york, san francisco, hong kong shanghai Are just the big ones And those were all fairly long term assignments Sounds like a guest guest position to me I definitely qualified So I'm excited to see that but what you just said jenny for day seven that's I've been looking for a show that you like give to my wife. That's like here's tech news. That's not the dorky extreme and depth stuff Because I get real excited my real job's really technical and She Sometimes glasses over go. Yeah, that's exciting hash values. Yeah, I get that data. Yeah databases sequel. Okay, but I think that's great that dig into an idea where I can share that with people and go. Hey, here's a Topic to get you into so I'm excited to be here. That's kind of the pipeline cool Well, maybe we'll do a sneak pilot early in the new year and just see how that goes Yeah, yeah something to tantalize. We should do that with day six Yeah, I mean we did we did the intro to the topic but but maybe a sneak pilot of both of them. Yeah, I like that idea I like it Who else has got something? I actually have one more question Um, if that's all right. Yeah, I'm really enjoying uh movie league mike's uh saturday blog Oh good. I'm so glad he'll be so glad to hear that too. Yeah, he's sort of like He's been asking me for traffic numbers and I can't get them out of my host Uh, so he's sort of like, I don't know if I didn't bother reading. No, I'm I'm reading it I enjoyed a lot and it reminds me of you know stuff. I'd write but anyway, uh, I was wondering if maybe because the the reddit is is great for people posting, uh posting the articles and discussion everything but have you ever considered maybe, um On the daily tech news show site, maybe a section the you know daily tech news news Where you have like mike's post and maybe other people who can can write and contribute some stories and like you were saying earlier about Getting that resume building stuff. Um, I'm sure myself included. There's probably some other people out there who might enjoy You know trying to write write some small articles. Maybe explaining things or just you know giving some analysis Yeah, man, we I mean joe the pilot did one for us one time And that was just kind of off the cuff where he sent me a long email and I said, this is great Do you mind if we work this into a post? Uh, and he was he was nice enough to let us do that Uh, and and I think we've had one or two others Uh like that, but but jenny I think that's a great idea I think that's an awesome idea and and it's what we have always wanted for this show Which is year one. We just wanted to get it right Year two we wanted to get those contributors And then to me year three is all about how we can grow and actually how we can Take that community that you know sometimes exists for the people who like to join the live chat But how we can get our much larger community contributing in in in ways that that showcases their expertise So if I was going to like Think about what a year three would be it would be bringing that in that's an excellent way to do it That would be an excellent way. Yeah, I mean it takes a little bit of resource as far as having someone to look it over as an editor Uh, you know do some fact checking stuff like that Um, so it's not it's not entirely something where we just open it up necessarily Um, but maybe there's a maybe there's a way to do a more open place where people can post whatever Uh, and then we sift from that and and turn things into official postings like we did with joe Um, and I don't know it's a you you got me thinking though. That's good. I like it. Yeah, great Any other questions from our hangout board of analysts we, uh Just speak on up and interrupt me. I'm because you know, I can't stand dead air. So I'll just keep talking Do we have any questions? What's that? I have questions I do we have questions for well, we have questions from phil shane who was going to join us on the hangout and didn't Uh, wasn't able to make it and then we do have some people waiting in skype to give us some calls um Phil's questions He wanted to know if I have favorite sources and I do I actually have a bunch of I have a well defined feedly list that I use And uh, you know, I won't necessarily go through the entire thing, but it's The usual suspects you probably if you listen to the headlines closely know who all of these are it's ars tecnica CNET and gadget fortune Recode tech crunch the next web the verge wired bbc news wall street journal, um biztech africa just to give me a little bit of a different perspective Reuters mit tech review And there are others like bloomberg that don't fit nicely in or an rss feed because of the way they do their site And I also look at google news and tech meme which also widens it out to other sources as well Uh I think we kind of touched on his other questions. Uh, he says any suggestions for things we can do to help increase the audience Tell people about the show Yeah, uh, you have co-workers. They like tech. Hey, how about this podcast? Oh, I don't know how to do a podcast Oh, let me show you. It's really easy. It's on your phone Buy a mug. Buy a mug and then people will go. What's that lovely mug you have and then you tell them about the show Um, if you run conferences try to get tom to one of your conferences He might be curmudgeonly about it, but you can always try. I can't do the show while i'm traveling I know, uh, but but that it does remain an option Um, if you know someone who's in the media and they have a show have tom on the show You know never heard to ask those are the best ways to spread the word about the show But the simplest is just tell your friends who you think might be interested Because that is something we'd love to do, you know and people often ask you tom like how many people Listen to the show a month or a year and I don't know what what up-to-date numbers you have on that, but um You know it's a powerful group of people and if each one of those people told someone about the show We would do well. We would do well. Yeah, it's roughly 50,000 between audio video and youtube Per show 50,000 a show. That's uh, that's what a month hold on. Let me do some math Well, yeah, but then you have to de-dupe And all that de-duping this is statistics. It's probably 50,000 people a month. Yeah I've always been excuse me. Uh, I'm about the numbers. I've always been curious How do you know how many people are listening? Obviously when you're doing the live stream You can see the numbers who are there. Um, I subscribe, you know to the audio version, but You know, I don't know if I get counted every time I download it because it auto downloads. How do you know? Yeah, you don't uh, and that's actually one of the biggest problems for people who are advertising supported Is how to accurately track that and see who actually heard an advertisement And there's whole companies devoted to getting as close to accurate numbers as possible for us I look at the sound cloud downloads, uh, which like you say, that's everything that's downloaded whether got listened to or not Same for archive.org. I look at the youtube views and the video downloads on archive.org And then I I I hack off a few thousand because I know there's Episodes that got downloaded didn't listen to uh, and that there are people who subscribe more than once or maybe download more than once For whatever reason So it's always a little bit of a lower number of listeners But having worked with companies who did dedupe and did Accuracy checks The the number of downloads generally tracks with the actual listenership Because if people don't listen for long enough, usually their podcast Aggregator unsubscribes them So it's always lower than the total downloads But it's it's close enough for me where i'm not actually selling Anybody on that number I can I can look at it and go okay. That's roughly about how many people we got Yeah, I mean for us the whole purpose is The more people we get the more percentage of those people might be able at some point To contribute to the show and by contribute me we mean in lots of different ways Um And and really it's not because we need to hit some sort of number or get any advertising like the privilege of the Patreon is that we don't have to worry about that and so it's really just a general guideline like are we growing? Are we doing well? Have we you know like have we ever dropped off like that's that's the broad picture we're looking for but we're not looking for like aggressive Growth and that is I mean we wouldn't mind it But we don't need it like we we we want to get there organically Yeah, that's why we don't have to chase clickbait. Yeah, right? We don't have to goose the numbers to make the sales figures look better. We are seo non-compliant Hey, uh, james in skype says he can't call in But his question is uh ideas how to get more audience participation So not just more audience but more participation. He says I miss all the voicemails from buzz out loud He says I guess and then he right as i'm saying that he says I guess I need to lead by example What's the simplest way to send good quality audio messages? Can I record my feedback in a voice memo on my phone and email? Absolutely. Yep That's the easiest way we have a better than calling the phone number because the phone number We have to go into google voice and then listen to it Uh and then download it or as you just send me something I can listen to it right there in my email Yeah, just send us a sound file. It doesn't have to be awesome. It doesn't have to be super produced Just send your thoughts and the more concise the better if you want to write down bullet points or just write down A little thing that's good. But if not, you know, just keep it 30 seconds a minute or less The shorter the the better chance you have On daily tech news show dot com. There is a page called send us stuff Which you can go to and it will tell you all of those things that jenny just said in in detail So go do that and uh james but anyway Yeah And then another contribution that people do for us which i've always been amazed at and it's part of That goes back to the expertise of our audiences We you know, we don't necessarily build the apps or build things for our show per se people have been known to build them And so people are contributing code to this effort And that's my favorite thing is when somebody's like i see, you know, like we have an apple tv app We you know, we're on roku We are in lots of different places and that is all due to contributions from the audience which is incredible omg muffins Yes That's what i say every morning It's just something jenny says Says don't want to be on cam Uh, you stated you want dts to become a platform Can we infer that you will never return to twit as a full-time employee again? And of course he's talking about the fact that jason howlin mega moronio taking over tech news today mike elegant's moving on That's like saying tom will you never return to senet again tom Will you never return to half price books again? I don't know. I like doing this right now because I started doing this So I don't have any impulse to move on to anything else But I also have other things I want to do and if one of those things ended up Being best accomplished by partnering up or working for twit or senet or anybody else I wouldn't want to rule that out either. Yeah, I think um, you know One of the things I love about the modern media universe, especially on the internet is this greater growing acceptance That you can have multiple media identities, right and you can do one thing really well tech news guy You could be about star wars. Yeah You can be a little bit raunchy on night attack where you can be super awesome positive geek culture on current geek and I think that um that That that means that there is no such thing Is a zero-sum game when it comes to what we want to do to further tech news or to further our interests and I think that's the simplest answer is like that I used to work in an industry of morning news Where the competition was three networks all fighting for the same guests. It was brutal It was ugly and it made me feel sick and now I live in a world where The answer to getting really great guests and doing things is have an imagination or have good contacts And go find them and if we're bringing you something that's interesting It doesn't have to be The top get or the big thing like we want to have good interesting substantive conversations And we want to do good interesting things and I don't think that's a competitive environment The one thing I will never go back to working for is tech tv Because it doesn't exist Unless I get a time machine. Yes Uh I'm gonna try callings that chris called earlier when we were still talking In the analyst, so I'm gonna take a wild stab and see if he actually answers And and you'll hear a noise. It's okay and chris You're gonna be on the air as soon as you answer if you're out there. Maybe that's why it's answering Oh, no, there he is. Hey chris. I'm gonna try callings that chris called earlier Oh Turn down your radio, sir. Sir. Caller turn down your radio. Caller. Yeah, I love this. Yeah, I can Can you hear me? I'm sorry. I'm kind of new to this whole Skype thing. Yeah, don't worry about if I'm being heard Or if I'm uh, not being heard Um, good job. I'm gonna stay on the hangouts. I'm trying to figure out how to get into chat I'm currently at my job right now. So, um I'm gonna have to figure out a better way of contacting you in the future, but uh, congratulations. I'm finishing another year. It's been fantastic Thank you chris Hopefully I will hear what you have to say later on this evening. Thanks very much. You will Uh, that was great You're you're gonna be so proud of yourself when you hear this back eventually because that was perfect Uh, and thank you very much for the for the kind words as well He just slipped right he couldn't hear us at all and he just slipped right in that was amazing Yeah, well done chris Uh anybody else on skype who wishes to call Uh, that is that is one of the analysts and if you're like wait a minute How'd these guys get in the hangout get the secret skype number all of that? Uh, it's because uh, they are patrons at the analyst level So that's the perk, uh, you know the perk at a dollar level as we continue to do the show the perk at the five Dollar levels you get occasional insights into what's coming up what we'll be doing schedules and and the like At the ten dollar level you get to be a co-executive producer call yourself that get a business card template get access to the treasure chest folder Where we put the full audio recording pre-empt post show as well as a few other things And uh at the analyst level, uh, we make you we punish you for your support by making you in a hangout Um and two cows wanted to know about the slack too He was he just reached the analyst level and was wondering what's this slack thing all about So that's like another super cool thing on twitter. He's been tweeting. We've been tweeting Uh you uh every month when there is a new uh when when when we hit the first Either on the first or the second sometimes the third depending on how busy I am I will go through and I will copy the emails out Of patreon of everybody at the analyst level and I will put paste them into the slack channel that we have for the analysts And I will send them to you by email So if you are not using a email you check on patreon, you won't see that so Or check that email, but that's that's how that works If if you didn't get it and you're like, hey, I'm at the analyst level and never saw that email Just just message me through patreon that way I can verify like, oh, yeah, that you're at that right level And then I'll I'll re-invite you. I did I did that. Did I did that for you, right, Mike? You did. Yeah, so it works. Mike's living proof Uh, yeah, I I like the slack channel actually it's starting to take off too Now that we have a few more people jumping in and you guys are just talking in there exchanging stories I've taken a few pieces of feedback for the show out of there I'll tell you what the slack channel saved me for the dts. Yeah, it's saved Christmas We're doing the dts best of video which is both my great pride and joy and my absolute nightmare every year And this year I knew like I just wasn't getting enough feedback about specific time codes when things people liked And so we asked for volunteers in that analyst channel and got like some good offers and then we got two guys who Logged I'm not kidding the whole year of dts. We got rich from lovely Cleveland Sat there and went through all of like January through July and then phil shane who was sent some of these questions um Did the back half of the year and even invented something super cool. What was it called the dts? Uh, I forget what he called it But it was basically four screens of people talking all at once on his screen that he could scan through And look for moments when people looked really animated which is there's a filmmaker the guy's a filmmaker So of course, he's like, oh, yeah, I know how to go through footage Uh, it was amazing and so they when you see that best of video and if you think it happens to look good There will be three people to thank for that and that is rich from lovely Cleveland And phil shane and brice, uh, who is going to be editing it. So Holy cow That analyst channel came in handy All right, uh, we've got uh, we've we've got to all the people on skype who wanted to talk, uh, and uh, We can give you guys here in the hangout, uh any any last chance to ask questions say a thing Uh, let us know anything randy. You got anything? I should have got two more questions. I thought of do you have any other people in mind for contributors? Not for contributors Because we've filled up the week Peter wells, obviously, I guess is is the answer to that Um, but we're we're definitely I mean we have extended family and and so you see lamar wilson Come on more often. Uh, he is essentially a contributor. We consider him a contributor. Alison Sheridan The same way tawd whitehead the same way. Uh, there's a few others out there But I don't think at this point we'd add anybody else as an official contributor just because we don't have enough days for them But uh, we have um, we're always on the lookout for new amazing guests and That's one of my sort of do your resolutions is to really get on that And start getting us people from all sorts of interesting places around the web and around the world and my goal I have a goal is to get someone from space I have a dream to get someone on this show from space. Can it happen in 2016? I don't know, but it would be really cool Yeah, Antarctica and space are two things. Yeah talked about two things. We've talked about. Yeah Uh, you said you had two questions randy. What's the other one? Do you have another show ideas? Man, I have too many I mean, there are things I would like to do with dts Uh, if if we got to a point where we're cooking along at seven days a week and the patreon's really skimming or skimming Can't make terrible. We're doing the other thing like boiling over boiling Uh, to the point where like maybe I could pay somebody to take an extra day off Everyone's too. I would like to do more in-depth like just diving in on single topics As far as outs. Yeah. Yeah As far as outside of dts Yeah, I'm always coming up with crazy ideas for talk shows or Or things I I've wanted to do a show where I bring people on and make them do their show with me I just narcissistic probably let me yeah, let me give you a my impression of tom merit Hey, hey, jenny. I was breathing and I came up with an idea for a podcast I was out running I was I woke up this morning. I was in the shower. I was walking I was eating something or making dinner and I had an idea for a podcast and god forbid He goes somewhere like dragon con or Nerdtacular is like 10 double the rate of podcast ideas. Now. Here's the thing. I have only done one new series Of shows of my own not kind of connected tech Since I started dts and that's pretend I've done about star wars. Yeah And I only did that because I knew that I could only do seven episodes of it. Yeah It's an awesome show by the way We've been listening to it religiously preparing for uh, the day that has already passed Uh, when this airs boy, did you all love the force? Saw it 10 days ago or so I can't even remember it. It was so good. I've seen it 10 times I can't even do spoilers right now. It's better every time All right, thank you randy, uh, appreciate it man, I really appreciate having you on the show And the and your support making the show possible Yeah Mike anything from you before we go No, I just want to thank you and jenny for the opportunity to uh come and talk with you guys today. It's a bit great. Um Say what uh, I know you thank us enough too and everyone has great words for you But being able to support the show. I mean the value for value is true I get so much value out of what I get from the show and I'm more than happy to contribute So keep up the great work guys. Thank you. Very pleased to hear that Appreciate that and appreciate your contributions In the slack and email and all that I'm happy to help Harrison what about yourself? I don't about say I gotta back up something Mike just say I love the patreon piece of it and not hearing the same ads 15 times when you listen to 30 plus podcasts a day of the same 10 Advertisers you just hear me repeat my wife works at youtube all the time. That's That's fine So that's been uh been great And I know you somewhere. I think you mentioned of potentially doing a little bit of travel and some meetups Do you have anything already planned for 2016 or? Looking at cities and locations. Yeah. Yeah, there'll be one Uh one for sure in portland Is it in portland? Is that right? Is it portland? Yeah, that's that's where convey ux is uh lend per alt and I are both going to be at convey ux Uh convey ux.com. I'm sorry. It's seattle. I'm sorry seattle. I confused you with portland It happened not all northwestern cities are the same I knew it was in seattle. Why didn't I say portland? Oh, if it's in seattle, can I come too? Yeah, sure February 9th through the 11th And uh, I think mine's on the 10th where I'll be doing dts from there Uh, so we'll try to do another seattle meetup which seems unfair because we did a seattle meetup when I was up there shooting connected tech Uh, I will be at south by southwest in austin, which there's always a huge meetup of all the brushwood justin robber young Uh people and that's the only thing for sure right now We we owe a los angeles meetup. We certainly do we should do that We should go to los angeles and have a meetup. Yeah By walking out my front door. Yeah Uh, thank you harrison. I appreciate it man Awesome. Thank you. And brian, uh, last but certainly not least Uh, anything else from you before we go? Um, no, just thanks for the opportunity to be here. Thanks for You guys bring a lot of Information and fun into my week and I just really appreciate everything I've done and The fact that I can get back to you guys and help it along just makes me feel great So thank you so much. This has been awesome. Uh, thank you guys. Uh, I'm so Glad to hear that there are people who who do actually really Go along with this crazy idea Uh, that says, hey, you know, we're just going to do a show and give it away And if you like it, uh, help support it, uh, and these folks and all the people on patreon on paypal who shop in our store Uh, you are the folks that make it possible daily tech news show dot com slash support Is the place to go if you want to support the show jenny anything from you before we're out of here Oh, yeah, well as soon as I get done and I have the best of video in hand I'm going to turn my attention to editing our holiday season tell it anyways Uh, which is tell it anyway dot com. We did 12 stories about the holidays and they are Uh, doozies they're doozies. Yes, those were great I really have enjoyed listening to them. Yes because I successfully edited them and I got them out And I hope you all enjoyed them if you haven't listened go check them out Uh, and that best of turned out awesome. Well done. Good job on that. Thanks brice. It was all him That was all yeah, it was a team effort. It takes a village Uh, hey our email address is feedback at daily tech news show dot com. You can give us call 51259 daily That's 5125932459 although we will not be Uh answering that until after the holidays catch show live Monday through Friday at 4 30 p.m Eastern when it's live again on january 3rd alpha geek radio dot com and diamond club dot tv and our website is daily tech news show dot com Back tomorrow with a listener co-host show talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network. 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