 18 o'r 22 ymwneud ar y ddygôn Llywodraeth Zanfaethau'r Ysgolod ac yn ei ddechrau'r ddiwedd yn gyfnod o amly remedies mewn ddim yn ymgyrch ar y dyfodol Ysgolodau Fosem Però Llywodraeth Ay Holyfodol er amlwg ei mor modd, ar gyfer ffais yn gyfnodd yn ei ddechrau'r dyfodol yn gyfnodd, yn ei ddau reinnog ar gyfer y dyfodol i ei ddwyld i ddysgu'r doriadau a flwyddyn i'r ddweud o'r cyfnod i Ymddur Gweithreidol yn ddeifatigion i'r ffagoriaeth Cymru APC yn 2021. Felly, yw'r tympas o ddugoddau ar y gwaith yng Nghymru, y gweithreidol yn y 2019. Nawr, y Llyfr Gweithreidol wedi'i ddweud i fynd i gweithio Gwyselwyr o'u gwaith yng Nghymru a'i gwybod yn gweithio'r gwasanaethau, the state, but he had denied any wrongdoing. Well joining us to discuss this and more is Bala Mohamed Mandi. He is the chairman of the People's Democratic Party in Zampara state. Thank you so much, Colonel, for joining us. Thank you. Great. Let's start by, you know, back peddling to what all that has led up to this. A lot of people are saying that this was going to be done one way or the other. This was going to happen knowing that there's never really been an antecedence of a governor being in one political party and his deputy on another, and they did not see this marriage lasting long. So what was the PDP hoping for? Well, first of all, let me correct you when you say there has never been an antecedence while a governor is in one party and his deputy is in the other party. During the time of Governor Warmokov, so first state, he was in the all at the progressive congress and his deputy, Shagari, was in PDP. And that's how they stayed in office until the end of the tunnel. So that is just the correction I want to make. How cordial was that marriage? That's where my point is. It obviously would not be a cordial relationship being that the parties have different agenda, obviously. We wouldn't know how cordial or how uncordial it was, but they managed to keep it to themselves. They managed the situation is unlike this one where the governor is pushing members of the House of Assembly to impeach the deputy simply because the deputy did not defect to APC with him. That is just the crime of the deputy. And the deputy has the right to choose why he wants to belong. That does not invalidate his mandate as a deputy governor. Now I remember when the governor at the time had moved to the APC, the PDP had threatened that they were going to take the matter to court. Being that, the circumstances which brought the Velo Matawale and his deputy to office was through the court system. But where is the PDP on that issue now? What is the court saying on this particular matter? We went to court. As matter of fact, it was the National Secretary of PDP that went to court. If you could recall the judgment of the Supreme Court in 2019, it invalidated all the votes of APC because APC did not conduct a ballot at the primary election and therefore they were nonexistent for the election. So all the votes were thrown out. And the ruling was that the party with the second highest valid votes should form, should take the election at all levels, at the state house or assembly, national assembly and at the governorship. That was the ruling of the court. The court didn't name anybody, but it named the party that came second with the highest valid vote. And so PDP came second. And that is why all our members went to the national assembly, house or assembly, and we got the governor and his deputy. So we have gone to court to interpret that judgment. Does Benno Matawale has the right to take the mandate that was given to PDP to another party? Do the members of national assembly and members of state house or assembly have the right to take the mandate that was given to PDP to another party? They became members of the national assembly and he and state house or assembly and Matawale became the governor because he was in PDP. If he was not in PDP, he wouldn't have been the governor. And all members of the legislative houses wouldn't have been there because the mandate was given to PDP and they were there. So that's how they go to the positions they are holding now. I just want to move on a bit to the issue as we speak. Now there have been allegations leveled against the deputy governor saying first and foremost, the most obvious, is that he held some form of party event, a political event while there was insecurity. I mean the whole country does understand the security situation in Zampfer estate. But the deputy governor at the time had said or denied that he never participated in any of these things during the insecurity situation. But other than that, they're saying the house of assembly is calling this some form of misconduct. What do you have to say about this? And I'll just quickly like to put in there that a member of the BOT and the People's Democratic Party has called this impeachment process a misplaced priority. Maybe you can help us understand why he would term it that. You see the deputy governor did not conduct any rally. When the saga was going on and the governor became the deputy took leave and when he was coming back, his supporters went and received him and escorted him straight to his house. He did not conduct any rally. They didn't go around the city of Gusau. They didn't go to anywhere. They just welcome him to Gusau and followed him to his house and that is it. But he know when a government wants to impeach a person, they can make him his chief, they can say anything. Let me tell you, it was the apc that had been conducting rallies in the town. Before the arrival of the deputy governor, we have records. I can name names. But be that as it may, you know that this court is this case before the court and the court made a ruling that all it ordered all parties to maintain status quo antebellum until the motion on that is has been heard and determined. So you're saying that what the APC or what the members of the House of Assembly are doing are in one way or the other opposition to what the court has said. Is that what you're saying? They are working directly in collusion with the court judgment, with the court order. They are in collusion, they collide. They are against the court order and we wait to see what the court will do on this. Let's talk about the ambition of the deputy governor. There was a lot of bickering back and forth between the governor and the deputy governor. And I remember, I may not be able to cause him to exactly, but he did mention the fact that he would never allow a son of Gusel to take over his office he's talking about. And this hinted more like that the deputy governor had an ambition to run for governor. Would you like to shed light on this? No, no, no. You see, the deputy governor had the right aspire to become anything in this country. There is no law stopping him. But the fact is that the governor bursted out that, you know, it was about insecurity. So he bursted out that if he knew that if he stepped down to resign, it was not the son of Aligusel who would become the governor he would have resigned. He was referring to the deputy governor. And the deputy governor immediately sent a what he replied in that he was ready as deputy governor to resign. Let the governor come. Two of them should resign together within three days if that would give respite to the state. And up to that now, up to now, since when the deputy governor sent that reply, the governor never spoke about it again. He has kept me only for him now to go back and wish members House of Assembly to fabricate charges that do not exist against the deputy governor so that they can now initiate impeachment process. We are not fighting against impeachment process because we know the court has ordered all parties to maintain status quo antebellum until the motion in notice is heard and determined. But then we have a House of Assembly, just as I asked your national publicity deputy publicity secretary just a few minutes ago, the party, the APC does have majority and majority in the House of Assembly, which means that one way or the other, this is definitely going to be against the deputy governor. So I'm wondering whether it's in court or not. It does not stop them from going ahead with this. What are you preparing for knowing that the deputy governor might just be impeached being that the APC does have the upper hand in the House of Assembly and going forward? What will be the next move of the PDP in the state? If the members of the House of Assembly don't have respect for court orders, we do believe others how and they will not side the wrongdoers. We, like I've told you, also have gone back to court to make this complaint and so we wait and see. The fact that they are a majority does not mean they will be right. It doesn't mean they will be right before they know. Finally, I want to ask the issue of insecurity has been a front burner issue for Zamfara state. Even though now the governor obviously is in opposition and the deputy is in the PDP, what is the PDP pushing for to make sure, I mean, or how is the PDP pushing to make sure that the issue of insecurity in Zamfara state becomes a thing of the past? We hear these stories coming from Zamfara state and being that Governor Bello has moved to the APC, one would expect that it would just be the owners would be just on the governor, but then the PDP does have a role to play now that you're in a position in the state. You see, the governor said he was moving to APC so that the federal government and other agencies of the federal government were helping to contain the insecurity. I tell you one thing, since he moved to APC, the insecurity situation has become worst in the state, very, very unbearable. It is so bad in everywhere. Even in Gwisselt, people are not safe, not less of rural areas. We, as a party in the opposition, we are sensitising people, since we are not in government, but we sensitise them, we advise them, and we push the government to do the needful in order to checkmate the insecurity in the state. Well, I want to say thank you, retired Colonel Bala Mohamed Bandai, is the PDP chairman, party chairman in Zamfara state. Thank you so much for speaking with us, Colonel. Thank you very much. All right. Well, thank you all for staying with us. We'll take a quick break now, and when we return, I will give you my take. Well, here's my take. Campaign season is obviously upon us, and many have declared their interest in running for different public offices for diverse reasons. Political parties are strategising and re-stratatising, defections here and there, curse crossing for personal party, and sometimes even selfish reasons. All of this is in a bid to grab hold of power, as we all know. Now, we, on the other hand, are very good at complaining and crying blue murder, you know. But are you a member of a political party? I always ask this question. Do you think that you should join one, or are you of the opinion that politics is a dirty game and you don't want to be sold by it? Because if the opportunity is presented to you to join a political party, whatever it may be, would you join it? Now, well, your response will determine who you think should emerge as the flag wearers in the different political parties and who would eventually lead us. So, until we begin to get involved in partisan politics in our own little way, at whatever level, the Nigeria that you and I want will never be a reality. So, let's stop kidding ourselves and start taking the ball by the horn, and that's my take. To close up the show tonight, we'll take a few highlights of the week. I'm Mary Annacol. I'll see you on Monday. Have a good evening. With regards to the electoral laws, well, you know, I do not care too much about those laws, as much as I care about the human resources that are going to conduct elections and I think as it is presently composed, made up of people who do not have the credibility to conduct free-of-fail elections. I'm not interested in zoning. I hope that Nigeria would continue to search for competent Nigerians who can run this country effectively, efficiently in a just and egalitarian manner, so that these ethnic jingoists would not have a say in how we run our lives. We have done this whole rotational presidency for 20 years now. We've taken the presidency, Nigeria has taken the ruling class, has taken the presidency to as many places as possible. But what they have not taken the presidency to is the zone of competency, zone of justice, zone of man of integrity. So, if we make the mistake again of zoning to another incompetent character simply because of the location of his village, well, you know, we will regret it. So, we are saying that what obtained about 60 years ago cannot cognitively obtain now. So, with respect to aggracing routes. As a moral fan, we are in a modern civilisation. Modern civilisation does not really give room for somebody taking cattle from the north down to the record. If there is no business made, these people, these boys that are taking these cattle, they should go to school. In fact, when you look at the Pateria nomadism, it's under two places about 200 to 200 years ago. There's no civilised world today you find the people following cattle. It's a great deal of reform required in the nationality sector, especially with the police. I don't see any serious reforms going on. Where I would have said maybe a lot of money is going on into training, these that and so on. No, in nearly every state where today we have the military complementing, the effort of the police and wealth. We know how much state governments are spending and that is why some of the governors are saying allow us to have our own place first. And then this money or this entire bonus we are pumping in at the various state level to go into our own place. The federal government could lay out the guidelines but not say and give them a free hand. Our politicians are not as matured as that. They are like children. They are like let to feed with children. These are shying away from rotation of power because in less than say one year to the post, none of the parties to the best of my knowledge have come out to say we are in our candidate for this is the particular region where we will be having our presidential candidate come from, whether it is the APC, the PDP and all others. None of the parties are doing that are saying that at the moment. So I think it is actually wrong for the Arapongaean, the governor of the state to categorically say that if any party feels a Soudana, a Soudana's room support, and I must say this, you see democracy whether we like it or not is a government of numbers, is a product of numbers, I mean to say. And the fact is that the northern part of Nigeria still holds swing in terms of gotas power. Or it holds on any candidate whether it is coming, the candidate, particularly candidate coming from the south to romance, excuse my word, to romance the not. Like what have Tinugu doing at the moment, you know, for every little thing here and there and the not. He was in Zampara before he travelled to London and so on. And even the vice president whether he want he has declared or not, but you see him romanticising the not. He was in Canada state for a public lecture two days ago, but he used the opportunity to visit the family of Hanifah that was murdered some weeks back. So I think it is very important that any candidate particularly that wants to win the presidential election must embrace the not.