 Thanks a lot. Hey, we're live Why is what why why are you running like it's up like disabling a bomb? What what is the deal? What is that game you play on your phone where you're like have to fly the ship? Oh space team space team. Yeah We're having Roger Run the hangout video because I'm gonna be gone for the next two weeks and he's gonna do it So we're running through it today to make sure we get all the kinks out. Oh, okay Just try to make sure I'm not running too many things killing my pro Well, it's independent of my laptop anyway. It's it's all okay, right? Isn't on Google's and anyway the streaming is yeah Once you press that live button, then you're good Yeah, but that that you know like whatever load my only thing is because I'm also running the screens I'm trying to make sure you're only streaming yourself. You're not streaming anyone else. Yeah But I want to say like I want everything working because once I start doing this read Yeah, my my attention will be yep rolled elsewhere gotcha All right. I'm going to record the audio as well If that's cool, if that's fine Believe it or not, I'm still waiting for my Photoshop just to start Somebody buy lead a new computer Send me some sweet old patreon money. Yeah, my patreon you make a level for that It should just be one huge like, you know $1,000 level hey lens new computer level This little guarantee I can even do anything during the day No, you know what I probably I was I was off. I probably needed to restart it a couple days ago Everything's okay. Everything's okay. I'm still working So Jen I don't have a title or anything. How do you want me to introduce you? That's just a generally producer right cuz like I'm taking the summer off and it's been lovely Lady of leisure Now I'll just do Jen cutter Let's go nice nice to meet you by the way. Oh, it's a quick question for you Which Photoshop are you using? Are you going with the you're using the point five or are you using the older version? I'm using the older version. I'm still doing. I'm not on the creative cloud yet. Okay. Yeah, I haven't made that yet I'm still at CS6. So wow that is dedication You own it though. I'm so mad about my creative cloud bills. I can't yeah, yeah I don't that's I didn't need an extra another extra bill. Anyway, we'll talk after the show All right, cool. Here we go Daily tech news show is brought to you by listeners like me to find out more. It's the daily tech news show dot com slash support This is the daily tech news for friday august 26 2016 I'm top merit joining me today. Jen cutter producer back on the show. It's been a it's been a little bit But good to have you back Jen Good to be back. Yeah. Last time I was here. It was just before I kind of took off to Nevada to go to evo All right amazing And then you've had a uh, you've had a nice long vacation summer break. Yeah, that's great taking the summer for myself Well, we're gonna talk a little bit about esports and uh, vr and and at a company's attempt to change your spectating position using vr Sending lots of money to do it. Yeah, or at least raising I guess then they spend it. Yeah, absolutely Uh back on a friday, of course, lemperalta with us as well and we gave you something visual to draw today. Len Yeah, hopefully, uh, hopefully it'll be pretty good. I don't know We'll see all right, man, uh, but Meanwhile, we've got news bloomberg saying spotify punishes songs that debut exclusively on other platforms like apple music or title By burying them when they finally do come to spotify. It seems like a little sour grapes Uh down here are some more top stories Sources told mark gurman and garith allen from bloomberg that apple plans to add sony's Felica chip to a future iphone now if you're not familiar with felica It does not emulate people named felicia. It is a tap to pay tech similar to near field communication It's it's basically sony's proprietary nfc chip. It's used widely in japan if you've ever used the mass transit cards They're like suica or pasmo. That's what's in them. That's the chip that's in them They work not only on mass transit, but you can use them to buy things out of vending machines You can use them at convenience stores and some restaurants and cafes apple is supposedly Ready to add the felica chip to the next iphone But they might delay transit support if they can't get the negotiations with the payment networks worked out so It's totally neat, but it's one of those things where It's so cool, but I like money I'm always terrified about losing my phone. I'm terrified. Have you been to japan? I have not I have not I was curious because I I have not yet. I will be going there tomorrow So I'll report back on these suica suica suica suica cards pasmo cards Because I'm gonna get one of those because they have a similar situation in san francisco with the Clipper card And I know like the oyster card in london is like this as well those all use nfc though As far as I can tell I What fascinates me this so much about this so much is the idea that an entire country would be beholden to one company's proprietary technology Yeah In toronto we have two competing cards for the transit systems and I don't know which one they're going to go with I pay with money so I can always get on and never have to worry about which Which card uses where which trains i'm switching to it's all good But but do you right? Do you worry about not having enough cash sometime or not having proper change? That's what always bugs me and that's why I liked these cards when they came along Uh, it it's always a good idea. I carry tons of change for when I go downtown. I have a car otherwise I'm carrying a car full of change. I carried a car full of change It's just full of loonies and tunies to cover the for raising fares Uh bloomberg reports that twitter is developing a tool that will let users block posts by keyword This would be part of their efforts to combat harassment. So the idea being you could say Oh, well this racist term. I just don't want these any posts that contains it to show up And you would never see them Jen, I know you have quite a bit to say about twitter and their efforts here. What do you think? Oh, oh, I have thoughts I have thoughts and words and uh, a lot of them would probably be banned by this this new filter But this is something that even youtube figured out Eons ago in internet time being able to ban these words and third-party tools and apps already let you do this Why is twitter so far behind? I've been hearing that twitter is serious about Anti harassment tools for more than six years Six years and that's how long I've been hearing about it. People have been dealing with this for far longer and Just the cost of all these smart wonderful talented people leaving twitter It's going to catch up with them But I have wonderful friends who will not join twitter because of the risks to their personal selves It's too great for them to even bother trying So what so you're glad they're doing it but sort of like you're real late to the game twitter I totally get that What what would they have to do to change that perception and get people to say, oh, okay? I feel like it's turned the corner now Well right now if You are a normal person on twitter and you are being targeted by a hate mob it sucks to be you If you are medium famous you have to know somebody who knows somebody at twitter and then you can get some help If you're really famous you can get help right away And then people will write articles saying how sad it is that this is happening as if it's the first time that this has ever happened And then everybody can graduate themselves on a job well done While they wait for the next target and the next target is coming We all know what's going to happen. It could be the next week. It could be the week after And it's so predictable. It's literally textbook. It's the same kind of attacks It's the the same thing over and over and over again And the one thing I would expect the tech company to be good at it would be identifying patterns Yeah, and I think one of the things that is largely true But I think oh exaggerated is this isn't just about subgroups It is definitely more common for minorities for women But it is for everyone everyone can be targeted if you say something unpopular And and that's the part that twitter I think is is trying to figure out Maybe they're trying to be too clever and that's why it's taking them too long Rather than putting some more of these blunt force solutions like just let people ban words Like you say that that has been a tool that's been in the toolbox for a long time I think maybe they've been trying to come up with the perfect solution that will solve it for every single case And and instead because we're waiting for them to do that we have no cases being solved or virtually none No, and I think even just some increased communication would go a long way into proving that twitter does at least Care or pretend to care because right now people are filing all these reports and then Nothing you will get these automated replies saying oh, we looked into it and they deleted it already so it doesn't matter Yeah, well, what about the account? What about the history of that account that has Three tweets, but every day they post 2000 comments to people that are just hateful And then as soon as they get notified. Oh, there's a report against you. They just delete it and there's no Arm no foul. That's how that works somehow Yeah, I think the other problem is this none of these problems are new we've talked about that on the show before I mean I was seeing behavior like this in microcosm on forums that I ran in the 90s It's it's that twitter hasn't decided Are they the internet are they aol are they a forum like at what level should they Get involved I think in the past they were saying we're an open platform moderate yourselves And at this point there's enough people on it that it doesn't work that doesn't work very well That works in smaller communities, but twitter is too large of a community for that to work Like I'm not offended when people tell me they don't like me or they want to curse at me That's fine. You know what everyone can have their opinion. That's That's what's great about the internet and all everyone being able to communicate with each other It's when people cross the line and docks people and are You know sharing nude photos say Yeah There has to be some sort of consequence for that This would be a legal in real life. Why isn't it actionable on twitter and and there's there's also just numbers Uh, even lesser crimes than doxing Of harassment that as a single person saying it once to one other person would be something that you could reasonably say like Just ignore it. You can't ignore it when it's hundreds and hundreds for days well It's it's it's an entirely different scale even the tools like the mute button Aren't foolproof. I've muted people that Have come back unmuted and I didn't unmute them. Why are they unmuted if I block somebody? I'd like them to stay blocked. Why did twitter decide? Oh, we can unblock them for you now Yeah, and some of that's actually person. Yeah So if these tools actually worked that they gave us that would be a nice step forward Uh, well, let's move on to another familiar story dropbox resetting passwords for users who have not changed them since 2012 Uh, it seems to be related to this 117 million account credentials from linkedin Circa 2012 that's been kicking around for a while dropbox's security team noticed some hashed and salted passwords that looked familiar So they said look, we don't believe any accounts have been accessed recently as a result But they're going to reset old passwords as a precaution You'll get two kinds of emails if you have not changed your password since 2012 You'll get a an email saying you're going to have to change your password next time you log in If you have you'll just get an email saying we're doing this for people So you should know that it's out there, but if you've changed your password since 2012 you should be okay Does this this kind of thing worry you that it's like repeating over and over and over with with big places like linkedin and and dropbox Well, there's also people who will use the same five letter password everywhere on the internet Yeah, the only email I got from Dropbox recently was you haven't used your account in forever. So we closed it and I was flying with You're not you're not worried at all because you're not using No, it was smart of them to at least take some action And hopefully those people haven't changed their email addresses who are still using Dropbox Yeah, absolutely alphabet has hired airbnb's global head of vacation rentals and a former ceo Of hotel deal site jet setter. His name's shawn stewart shawn stewart will become director of alphabet self-driving car unit You know it as google's self-driving car unit stewart will be tasked with commercializing self-driving cars So here's your google autonomous car picture You have former hyunday president and ceo john craft chick as ceo of alphabets self-driving cars So this is a guy who has worked in the audio industry worked for forad before he worked for toyota Then you have tim popindrayo He is a former san francisco city employee and an expert on municipal transportation policy So he's going to help them figure out how to keep those vehicles street legal And then you have now shawn stewart shawn stewart Is an expert in short-term rentals. He did it at jet setter and now he's doing it or he was doing it at airbnb So now he goes to self-driving cars put all these together gen you start to see a picture Of a service that google would provide Perhaps it's business to business to say like rent our fleet maybe But it feels more like when you've got john's shawn stewart involved that it's consumer facing It does sound like uber should watch out But it's a neat group of people to have together Especially somebody who is well versed in the law side of things and how to keep things on the road legally Yeah, I mean it's it's certainly uber has something like that But that that's your point right is that this is starting to mimic the structure of an uber or a lift That's the closest you can get to having a lobbyist on your team Yeah, and no, uh, and and that short-term rental experience is really interesting to me like would would this become sort of a merger of zip car type of situation where you you pay a monthly fee and you get to share a car or would it be more direct where People would buy self-driving cars for themselves But then allow them to be used at certain times when they don't need them Like when you go to work your self-driving car could be used as a car sharing device From nine to five as long as it's back at time to take you home I am real sure that that group of people will find a way to make it as efficient as possible Yeah, this is this is fascinating Nikkei asian review says analysts believe they could start outsourcing apples mobile chips Intel could start outsourcing apples mobile chips starting in 2018 If you remember intel just signed a deal to manufacture arm designed chips at its 10 nanometer foundries TSMC is the current supplier of iphone chips intel is already expected to supply some modem chips for the next model of iphone It was big news When an intel announced it would allow its foundries to make arm design chips and lg was the first customer At the time it sounded like they were saying off the shelf designs. No customizations if this were to prove true This would be an exception to that because apple definitely Doesn't use an off-the-shelf arm design in its a series chips But it would be a huge win for intel who's tried to make inroads into mobile With their own atom chips and found no success They could suddenly be raking it in if they're making a sevens or i guess a 12s by 2018 for apple I'm sure they would really like money They did they did so well put They do really like the like the money would it matter to you if if there was an intel Manufactured chip inside your iphone. I don't think it makes much difference to the end user I care about the chip that's in my computer as for my phone. I care more about what it will do for me and how it will look Because it's something I will carry around a lot more than I carry around my computer So if they come out with some real sexy designs i'll switch Uh, finally belgium primary school headmaster avaline gregoire has developed a facebook group called chasseur de live Apologies to patrick beija for my pronunciation That means book hunters in french the group emulates pokemon go so players hide actual books Post pictures on facebook so it's got a little geocaching element to it as well And then other players hunt down the books find them read them Then release them back into the wild with a new picture. Uh, after only a few weeks 40 000 people are signed up and gregoire is considering making an app for the game I love everything about this I hope that they are protecting the books like put them in ziplocks or something Well, I was wondering about that like what kind of what kind of protection against the elements Do you do for the books? I mean some books are easier to to protect than others It depends on if it's a paperback or a hardback It is an interesting element to think this is not an e-reading generation This is a generation that that is still willing to go read paper books Uh, you get 40 000 people signed up like that is pokemon go level uptake in in its section That's pretty quick for our how they got that number. I i'm a library user I go to my library all the time I pay for other library access even though I could just get them shipped to my library Because I think libraries are amazing and everybody should use them So the kind of app like this I would be so down Yeah, I would like to see this take off Partly because we get a bunch of review copies of science fiction and fantasy books from sword and laser We've got some ideas of what to do with them But I would totally take a few of these out and cash them for people to find And it's an extension of that that idea of the free library We've got one of these in my neighborhood where you can go it's a little plastic box So keep some dry stick your books in there. Yeah, you take a book leave a book, right? Except it's adding a little more fun to it. I love this idea Just everybody has to continue to respect private property. Yes, of course. No, it's got that same issue, doesn't it? It is a little more educational than a pokemon game though As long as people are out and walking. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Well, yeah now walking and reading. That's good Uh, I definitely will be hunting pokemon on my vacation though Not gonna Uh, I will thanks to all those who participate in our sub reddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com We've got loads of great people submitting stuff But we would like your submissions or at least your votes go join another j martin brian blank teaglass 1976 Slam as me greg n and more at daily tech news show dot reddit.com and that is a look at the top stories So a couple days ago daily dot reported that a company called silver tv Is getting 6.2 Million dollars in investments, which which honestly, I mean I make it sound like that's a load of money in the world of investments That's a perfectly normal amount of money But sliver tv not silver tv I think I just said sliver is creating a platform for spectators to watch Things like counter strike league of legends dota 2 In virtual reality from within the game itself Now you may know that valve released a vr clip of a dota 2 match being viewed in vr But it was more like a really big screen that you could watch the game on ESl and jaunt had a vr experience for iem in san ozay last november It was also a watching the game from within vr, but not from within the game sliver Wants to give you floating camera angles and 360 degree views from the ground Right now it's doing highlights a day after game action and so far They're only working on the cardboard platform But they want to come to htc vive oculus and the nps vr And and they want to make it as they want to get it closer to game time I don't know if they could ever do this live. Uh, that sounds like a tall order at least not anytime soon But even day after I find it fascinating gen That the idea of esports spectating could already Blow past what they're doing with traditional sports by allowing you to to run around inside the game essentially That would definitely change spectator mode Especially for something like csgo because then you are literally running around as whoever you chose to follow in the game Or if you're following the uh, the broadcast cam you'd be jumping around a lot and that would be really disorienting Well, yeah cameras were always an issue in in sports because You could steal signs and baseball or something like that. I mean this this would be the ultimate spy Situation if you have thousands of people able to be pouring their eyes over the entire map through the entire game Well, most streams tournament streams are on a slight delay to prevent This kind of thing from happening since the dawn of twitch people people got wise to that in a hurry So some of them are like as short as two minutes. Some of them are up to 10 minutes behind a live action But they try to keep it pretty close so that your twitter experience is not full of spoilers Yeah, yeah And at the same time like we said live live version of this is probably a ways down the road But but even day after would would you be interested in doing that? I mean as a player would that help you? See strategies and develop your game As a player you want to keep things as close to your in-game experience as possible Like for hockey players to do video review you can see some things from that like third-party perspective that you couldn't while you're playing For counter strike It might be interesting to see the map from a different perspective or to maybe See an angle you didn't see before But I think in terms of like regular practice, you're gonna want to practice exactly how you're gonna play Yeah, I still as a fan. I mean I I remember at tech tv back in the early 2000s We were trying to figure out game coverage and I was saying well What if we just put players in mmo's and then we screen capture that and they're essentially virtual camera men So they can show what's happening and it was an interesting idea But nobody could ever figure out how to make it actually work in a compelling narrative It just it just was too hard to handle This is that idea on steroids, which is like you don't even have to have a player. You don't have to have a camera man You you just have god mode god view of of any position in a game while it's happening. It's fun. That's fascinating I loved from the clip. They released a while ago I think it was for for dota where you could look down and see the whole map at once and see where everybody was And that was a different perspective than having just a little corner mini map It's like oh look, there's everybody and especially if you could just like quickly zoom in and zoom out While still having this huge overview within like maybe your peripheral vision You can still see the giant scoreboard without it taking up space on the map Yeah, yeah, yeah So you could look just look up to see the scoreboard it'd be floating overhead at all time And as a spectator being able to like oh, I want to be down in that lane right now Let me let me see what it's like from that perspective and then once you've been there for a little bit You could just flip easily over to another lane without having to run over there Right, you just jump over and see what's happening over there Uh, it's probably more choice than an average spectator once But even if it's being directed from from a central location and sweet doing that switching for you It's going to give you Way more immersion into the game as a spectator than than anything ever has before And it's a lot of work for the devs because if you are going to get that view that isn't available in the normal game Somebody has to create those assets. Yeah, and it's going to be at that level. That is broadcast quality Yeah, that's gonna cost money That's why sliver needs 6.2 million dollars exactly So expect ads There will be ads in vr now I know you've been on a vacation this summer, uh, but there's been a lot going on in esports this week And uh, you were just telling me a few things earlier in the day Get us up to date like on this week at esports. There's there's been some Some big events Yes, I will do a very quick high level run through of this week. So, uh, get your popcorn ready Yeah, there's a pop corn moments. You're right So let's start with valve Valve surprised a lot of counter strike teams and fans alike with their rules announcement They modified the way coaches can interact with their teams counter strike generally five on five Uh, a lot of teams had kind of used their coach as a replacement in-game leader So instead of one of the five players calling out strategies and managing the economy The sixth person the coach was handling all of that. Well, the five guys could just focus on shooting Valve's like no, no more of that. Uh, your coach can only talk to you at like half time and you're enjoying 30 second warm up That's it So teams who have an in-game leader leader are thrilled. Everybody else is panicking Yeah, I that's a different way to play the game and I get where valve might be like no, we want to keep it Yeah, exactly. It's like the designated hitter at baseball like some people are going to be like no having a sixth man is great Why would you stop that? and then earlier in dota There was a video released Where a Filipino team was accused of match fixing which is previously thought to be more of a counter strike problem Which at least valve did take action on because back in july they finally Finally went after the gambling and betting sites and shut those down, which was wonderful At least I can stop talking about underage gambling It's good. Yeah And then the big drama right now is over in league of legends land So one of riot's co-founders decided to forego any semblance of pr And publicly responded to a team owner that had criticized management decisions Uh team solo mid its mid owner rightfully question why these huge patches were dropping before major tournaments that would drastically in some cases Change some players roles uh The riot co-founder mentioned that while they're pro players. They just have to adjust and Took an extra shot saying well, you should just you know pay your players more instead of losing money in other esports That caused the floodgates to truly open Because anyone even tentatively involved in league had words to say about this So you had casters coming in you had sponsors coming in you had the general esports people weighing in All poking holes and riot's general management strategy Pointing out how difficult it is for teams to make money Because riot cuts off so many avenues for the teams sponsors are extremely limited in what they can do Uh tsm had to remove a video from their youtube channel Which you think riot wouldn't have control over But they had to remove a video from the youtube channel with uh them playing on the htc vibe Because it sort of advertised a game that wasn't league of legends That video was just gone sponsors are complaining uh anything that gets sold during the tournaments That goes to riot not the teams And uh, yeah all that shouting still going on if you wanted to poke into any league uh reddit or forum Or or don't do that Unless you got a bag of popcorn with you. I don't know so much popcorn. Yeah Uh, I it does set a little bit not to pick sides But does sound a little bit like riot riot's response was why don't you just stop complaining? Which is always going to just feed a flame war, right? Especially coming from a co-founder who has previously said in the past that he isn't involved with patching or development or controlling the direction of the game Should not have stuck his foot in that It was it was a weird Response that should have come from a different channel not directly from the co-founder. Yeah All right. Uh, well, thank you for that It and I'll get gen to put links to all those Stories in in our show notes for you as well if you want to follow up If you if you did get your popcorn As you're ready to look let's get to our messages of the day Howard and sunny mountain mariland has said on thursday's show We were briefly discussing apple's failure at social media and it got him wondering They already have an awesome foundation in iMessage If only they would unleash it from its exclusive apple ecosystem If apple would develop a way to link it to work with android phones I suspect they could sell subscriptions to non apple device users for one or two dollars a month I for one would love to have iMessage work with my nexus 5x and would gladly pay 12 to 20 a year for the privilege Of course, the carriers would not be happy But when has that stopped apple in the past? You may notice that I left out pcs because we all know that apple just sucks terribly at writing programs for pcs says howard Yes, i'm looking at you iTunes Yeah, I would like to be able to access my text messages through iMessage on windows As much as howard says that apple couldn't do it. They absolutely could do it if they really wanted to I would also love to be able to access iMessage on android the way that I can access my hangout messages on ios But I don't know Jen. Would you pay for that? I'm not sure that would that that I would pay for it Uh, I would pay for an iTunes on windows. It doesn't suck. Yeah Uh as for iMessage, uh, I do enjoy iMessage But most of my friends have migrated to well half of them are on whatsapp and half of them are online Which you probably find out is really common in japan. Yeah. Yeah for sure And I'm gonna I have line installed so we'll see if I start using it there. I do enjoy line. It's very pretty Yeah, taylor swift sends me exclusive stickers sometimes. Oh good I don't mind iMessage, uh There are so many services people use you you basically want to go where all your friends are and if I had to pay to Go to where all my friends are I'd probably suck it up and do it Well, what's up was able to get away with charging 99 cents But they they almost never charged and they gave people so many easements and then they finally dropped it Uh in favor of as we learned yesterday Giving a little bit of data to facebook and charging businesses to be able to send you messages I don't think the business sending you messages It's as big of a deal because it's similar to what goes on with text messaging I get text messages from t-mobile because i'm a t-mobile subscriber And I want them to send me a message when my bill is ready, right? Like that's fine So I think if whatsapp keeps it to that that's going to be okay I don't like this idea of what's that sharing data with facebook even if I can opt out from facebook using the data Um, so I don't know how like we said yesterday. I don't know how many people are going to ditch whatsapp because of that, but it's certainly I'm one of those people. Yeah, I don't use facebook. I have a facebook to protect my name and that is it It just exists So what are you going to turn to for your friends who are on whatsapp then? Uh, I'm going to go back to texting with them just ssms. Yeah cross-platform Uh, finish it up with alan writing on self-driving cars. He says Uh, I think it's more about mindshare He's referring to the test in singapore that'll allow public passengers to ride in self-driving cars The plans that uber has to do the same thing in pittsburgh He says it's just getting them out there having drivers or engineers talking about them will increase that conversation And make people more comfortable and then john our boss from the billings montana office Says there's been a lot of stories the last few weeks about various companies setting what seems like aggressive goals for autonomous operation I'm with you on feeling like five years is aggressive But remember not so long ago self-driving cars were filled with heavy computers and huge sensors The videos of those vehicles driving looked really robotic in less than a decade We've gone from that to where uri could actually buy a car that can safely navigate rush hour traffic for us So while five years for full autonomy still seems a tad aggressive Considering where we were not that long ago makes me think that this change is coming a lot sooner than many of us might expect It really has I love those old videos though. You won't be able to pay for yourself driving car with cash though gen We'll see about that. I'll keep it in my mattress. They'll have a slot here. You can put some tunis in Yeah, it goes like in canada. We're big in our coins Yeah, I was gonna say it goes a kilometer and then you have to put another coin in and then it'll Key you have to keep feeding it until it gets to your destination That would actually be pretty amazing Well, thank you gen cutter for joining us today a pleasure as always What do you got to let folks know about where can they follow you or find out more about what you're up to? Uh at gen cutter on twitter I'm on a bit of a twitter break right now, but that is still the best place to keep up So that's j e n n c u t t e r All right, and then I see that len got his machine working again and has made an amazing poster for us this week No, it's uh It's unbelievable that i'm able to pull this off to be honest. This is a miracle this week, but uh, but yes esports pumping money, you know you talked about You know turning this into a new Actually, it's almost like a new sport in itself and watching them put all this money into into esports And uh, so this is an image called esports with the s being a little dollar sign because of course the little investor down in the corner here is pumping uh vr full of money from das money machine And uh, it's uh, they're german. Yes I just that's just no sort of a sort of games cob. Yeah, exactly Yeah So yeah, so right on uh This is uh, this is called esports with the little dollar sign and it's in my online store right now At lenporaltestore.com absolutely go take a look folks, and you can even order a copy for yourself Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for supporting the show like I've told you a couple of times case you missed it I'll be out for a couple of weeks on vacation But we have lots of folks assembling to keep daily tech news show coming And the reason i'm able to do that is because you support the show. 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They'll talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants dot com Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this program All right I love the monopoly money guy It honestly I'm amazed that I was able to pull that together because when you because then when you were uh, when you were talking about the um Like, you know the actual like putting like getting into the game and stuff I've been like I'm just a total cool opportunity there Uh, but uh, but I don't think this works the money thing is always fun and little monopoly man is always Oh, yeah. No, this this works great. It can't be curly mustache and top hat. Exactly. Correct When has that ever been wrong? Never? Never No, whatever does the iron though is that is iron is the iron still a piece the iron is still a piece. Yes Uh titles I'm gonna go with vr gets a game plan. Okay. I'm not sure. What's the hello felica Felicia, uh, it think they're playing off by felicia But they're making it. Hello felica Spot of punishment Rents repeat A nice twitter so it works like we already did an intel arm One Really, it's it's an excuse for them to ramp down on the stuff that doesn't make the money anymore like adam But and this is the very important part They don't want to sell their foundries off or spin off to a separate business the same way that um amd had to With mobile foundries. Yep Because that that is part that's one of the tiers or pillars of technology that still keeps them ahead of the competition is their ability to um Essentially just pump out their own chips. Yeah. No, that's a great point They they they want to make that money. They don't want to lose. They don't want to have to spin that out Especially when you're you know, I mean you're looking at the chips They make right now is a declining business at least for the time being it's a declining things picks up Maybe that won't be the case but pieces laptops. It's very if not declining. It's it's certainly a A stable or someone it's it's a it's a static business But this is the interesting thing is that they definitely will Eventually as as time gets on they can actually drop them down even smaller and basically make more money per yield Um, they've actually chips like that find their way into embedded devices Uh 46 chips are still being made. I think 10 years ago And they were being used in a lot of embedded devices because one they were a known quantity two users cheap cheapest chips And three You know, you could effectively use them in almost anything that needed a microcontroller But something smarter smarter than a microcontroller the I think the space the space industry As well as military Love them because I need a smart bomb. What do I need to control it with? Well, you can use one of our chips It's about 15 years old, but still works and it's cheap And it's hardened. It's all so very hardened By the way, Len Peralta if people you don't realize he had to like reboot his computer Scratch right before the show Photoshop wasn't even launched when we started the show Not only did you finish the drawing and have it ready at the end of the show But you've tweeted it now as well like You would never know Len Oh, well, you know, well to be fair Before I had I had to restart I had it actually inked it in so I had the idea Oh one thing I wanted to do that I never and I don't know if you're interested in still doing this Tom is is talking about the the image again. I don't know if you're absolutely one thing that I never did And this is for the video viewers Is show you like how this all sort of works together and how I how I do that how I get it on Online in time for the very end of the show for people to purchase or view or whatever they want to do so Just real quickly it starts about maybe about an hour before the show You're about 45 minutes before the show and I look at what the Main topic is and I start brainstorming and so I then I started sketching it So one thing I started I thought it would be fun to see is for me to turn off all these layers To let you see kind of what everything looks like So I'm going to turn one by one. I'm going to turn everything off As we go along. It's almost like reverse time-lapse. Yes, it is pretty cool. Um And uh, so I end up with just this the ink right and so the ink is sort of like a um, you know just like a It just gives me like as long as I get to this phase at around Quarter till or right before the show goes then coloring should not be a problem Um, but this is what a thing. I never show anybody when we turn off the ink layer And I'll show you what the pencils look like So you can kind of see I I did this is the end pencil I spent about 15 minutes doing the pencils for the show But I went through like around three or four different versions of the pencils before I actually land on something that I think would be a Fun little print or a fun little image, you know Um, so you're kind of just brainstorming at that point. Yes. Yes. And so and so this is really really super super super rough Um, uh, but I knew I wanted to have this kind of baloney type guy getting infused with cash Uh, and then I thought it would be kind of funny to have him pumped in And a lot of times I use the headlines as sort of As cues for for something that I would draw If the if the story is about, you know, this time around it was like investors pump 6.2 million dollars in So I literally pumping money into a vr player Um, I thought would be a lot of fun. So, uh, yeah, so then after that I turn off the pencil layer After I ink it in obviously and then everything just starts falling into place. And so what you see I'm sorry. Go ahead. Oh, no, uh, tim veck had a question for you from the chat room He wants to know do you do it all digitally or do you actually start with an actual pencil? No, everything everything is done digitally I I work 100 digitally now There is a day very rarely that I actually use an actual pencil to draw anything these days But the nice thing is that I've spent the past couple years sort of Pushing everything together so that it feels like I'm sitting at my desk my actual drawing desk, which is now just basically It's just a receptacle for junk right now because I don't even sit at it I sit at my computer all day long. So um, so Yeah, no, it's it's not I don't have time to scan it all comes down to timing I wouldn't have time to scan stuff in and make things work. So it's all just uh, you know, so You use a Wacom tablet, right like uh like and then to us remember when they used to come with the little plastic Uh top that you could kind of flip back. You can insert like a sheet of paper like some you've penciled actually in Yeah Yeah, yeah, those were actually on the little weight the little tablets that were over to the side Um, yeah, I I used to have one of those and actually I still have it But we don't really I don't use it I work on a Cintiq now Oh, basically just a big big monitor. So photoshop is right on this monitor and it's Um, yeah, and and genuine said earlier. We had talked about Photoshop and everything else and that I actually own it and I guess I didn't really even think about that Because creative cloud is so totally different. I also I almost uh upgraded But then you know, I can you know photoshop for me is not broken Like it still does everything that I need to do and sometimes I find that if I upgrade that it's like Why did I just upgrade for what reason when you know, you know, if it's not broke don't fix it So I'm really super happy with cs6. Um, and uh, you know and honestly, I mean Some of the new things that come into Photoshop, I don't even really necessarily use, you know, I wouldn't use so I'm on video. So cs4 was the last one I had bought and I waited and I waited because I know they were going cloud And I waited until my upgrade discount was going to expire because I wanted to let that go as long as possible And then finally so I got my discount on cloud for the first year and now I'm on my second year So now I had to pay full price But again working with video, you know, I need premiere. I need after fact I need to be able to work with every possible codec. So Adobe's got all my money Yeah, it's not it's worth it if you have a reason to upgrade but since I'm not doing some heavy editing like that It's just it's just drawing and and I can kind of get it, you know Get through with this stuff It just comes down to the speed of my computer and sometimes I wonder if like Photoshop, you know, it's sort of it's sort of a yin yang sort of thing like the the computer's getting older But also the photoshop's getting older. It's sort of that weird mental thing that you think Should should I upgrade should I not upgrade anyway? But I thought people would enjoy that little Yeah, thanks for doing that. That's awesome. Yeah Yeah, it's it that's what goes into Creating each one of the drawings every friday for for for daily tech news show So I know the people on audio during the show don't get as much out of that very obviously because you can't see All right So we we decided to do it in the post show if you're listening to the to the treasure chest audio You can go find the video on youtube and see it, but uh, it's it's a visual medium, right? So it's it's cool to take advantage of that since we have absolutely Absolutely You have to use a different nib with the cintiq like with the pen or is it like do you have to buy or can you just buy the standard? Um, I actually for a while I was using a the one I'm using is a standard one because I'm finding that it doesn't It doesn't break down as quick as some of the other nibs For a long time. I was using this really soft sort of felt tip nib Which gave kind of a nice it felt like you were drawing on paper Only problem with that is that using it enough It just it wears away where it does start to wear away. The other one. I was using had like a um Had a little spring in it. So so that felt a little bit more like you were pushing on a on a softer paper Um, uh, you know, I just I try things from time to time this one that I've got a ton of these ones So I don't have to necessarily Upgrade all the time. Uh, and I just recently had to upgrade my pen, which was the first time I've ever had to do that um because In order to speed up the process I I have mapped My erase to the the button here So I can just be drawing and then I'll be pushing the button and also erasing at the same time So so it's it's it's a really quick process So what's really funny is when I go to draw for real There's actually an image on my store of the stranger things A bar behind you bar, which actually drew traditionally and in real real with real Pen and ink and uh, I was so frustrated when I drew that because I was so used to like I had to erase things if I made a mistake and it was like, oh man, this is so cumbersome laborious to actually erase like and like what you know, what kind of a plebeian am I? I have to manual labor manual labor. What is this? So it was really funny. Um, but sometimes, you know I like to go back to to doing ink pen and inks occasionally just because it's um It's it's it's it's fun to get back to doing that and there's things you can't do on the cintiq Uh that you can do with pen and ink, you know, so I thought everybody would want to know that. I don't know No, I think I think people are just taking it over. Yeah That's really cool. We should do this more often. I love this for sure. Yeah, sure. Sure. Secrets Yeah, for sure. Tablets are handy and all sorts of thing video editors use tablets all the time just to save mouse Oh, yeah work. Otherwise you get that coughing going on Yes, yes, and I you know, it's um It it does it does spoil you although what I will say is that it has improved me as an artist Jumping between both worlds traditional and digital. Um, it's just it's pretty amazing. Um, you really learn a lot and and if people are thinking about Making the switch to digital What I'll say is that uh, there was a huge learning curve. I just thought that I could go on I can try I can draw on it on a computer. I'm fine and it was not like that at all No, um, it was really it was it's really hard It is it's really hard and this is no I mean this is going from doing like the way come over to the side to actually drawing on a on the cintiq which I thought Oh, Pasha, this is the easiest thing in the world and I was I was flabbergasted how difficult it was for me And I felt like a total failure for like a body here in my life I'm like, I don't know how to draw. This is terrible But it really is it's just you're just learning how to use a tool. So Um, you know, it's it's one of those things so it does make it easier in the end But there's there's a learning curve. You have to get it. Correct. Yes. I've got I've worked on it now this I've worked on 100 digitally for four years now and it it it's it's definitely like I've learned the the limitations and uh, I have expectations for what I can do on the art So every day every every drawing is still a challenge because I'm trying to make it look as if it's not a digital drawing And and that in itself is a challenge What do you do you mind me asking like how do you like what do you mean by like looking like a digital drawing? Do you mean it's a little too clean or Yes, if you if you look at the drawing here, I'll put this back up on the screen on the screen share um, I am a big fan of Of scottie young who is a who draws digitally, but if you ever look at scottie young stuff He draws from marvel and stuff like that He he does things with his digital ink that makes it look as if the ink is bleeding Um, and for example here at the bottom you can see the imperfection of this line right here At the bottom it's the if the line weight goes from really really thin to thick all of a sudden that's something that would happen if you're using a You know pen and actual dipping an indian india ink into a paintbrush So so these are things that that are imperfections that i'm trying to Trying to replicate in a digital world. So So that was something that took me a real long time. I still struggle with it. So I struggle with the uh, the physical motion is a little different Like moving like moving from because my background like an art is drafting which really is an art But it's you know mechanical drafting um And the one thing I had to get over is like one is a tactile feedback But also when you work on a tablet, you're not necessarily Working over the same space and so your muscle memory is a little doesn't Perfectly map over it's not a one-to-one Yes, and so what you think you're doing you're actually not doing So you look at it's like you get really frustrated and you get all pissy. I get pissy Well, the other thing too that helps do that is create um The different the different um Tools that will nibs like creating creating brushes that mimic what you do in the real world So this is the one I use a lot. It's called uh a bold wet sable, which is actually based on a um On a paintbrush. So also the name of your second album. Yes But if you can kind of Actually, that was my wrestling name in high school. Let's say in this corner Um, you can kind of see uh, that's so nice Yeah, so you got so angry when I see you got this line here That would take me hours Literally would take him hours Not even joking But but but it was interesting and and this is the part that I don't show here Because I don't show all my tools because I'm giving you tips, but I'm not showing you everything that I'm doing Um, there are like about 30 different brushes that I have here all different line weights So I can get really really small and so get in there and do some things here Uh, or I can get really really big So um, so it's you know, that's sort of the that's the little secret. So By the way Just another plug if um, one of the things that I am trying to do at my patreon is I am like $20 away from Unlocking an extra video per month where I will do like a bob ross sort of thing where I'm talking over of the video Um and explaining what I'm doing. Uh, and so I will give a lot of more Uh hints and tips and stuff like that But you know, I have to hit that first milestone. Yeah That's that's worth getting behind folks This is this is good stuff. I'd love to see more of this for sure So when do you leave on your vacation tomorrow? Yes, nice tomorrow like, uh, plane takes off at like three ish Are you gonna be tweeting from overseas? Oh, yeah, you know, I've got my project fi sim card Uh Yeah, I you know nougat hasn't shown up for my 5x So I'm gonna I'm gonna might have to go get the image and make it So I was I was hoping it would just show up for the end of the week It showed up for my tablet but not for my phone and then my iphone has t-mobile which will roam as well So, yeah, I should be good and that plus they have like all kinds of internet in japan. I hear Hmm. Is that true? Yeah Don't you have to catch it though like a pokemon? Yeah, you do Uh, yeah, it's either it's either large and uh, a lizard that wades out into the sea or it's a small monster They had to catch with a ball ball monster Uh, so who's uh, who's taken over this? I guess different. It's me We have we have who do we have? Oh, justin scott and patrick For the whole week for the whole two weeks. Oh my gosh. Well, that should be fun. That'll be fun Yeah, it'll be fun. It'll be fun Rogers rogers got a a perfect amount of pre two week nervousness. It's not so much that I'm actually worried It's just enough that I know he'll make sure everything works Uh, I'm not he'll be fine. I am not concerned at all Well, next you're you're here next week, right? I am. Yes. So that will be aniline new it's from ars technica Nice, that's back. You're back next thursday, right? I am. Yeah with patrick beja. I look forward to that too All right guys, well, yep, I'm gonna go published. So I'm gonna take off too Roger you can stop the broadcast stopping broadcast. Thank you everyone