 Welcome back to the Nintendo Prime podcast and this week is a special week because This is the week before E3 Oh boy and It's a bit of a tough week for me because like on Thursday. I'm going on a little vacation with my family And I'm coming back like right when E3 starts a lot of work hasn't started yet. So I'm not overwhelmed yet, but Oh boy. Yeah. Oh boy Just look forward with a bunch of things in the pipeline to get you guys hyped up for E3 before it happens But for our first topic this week Eric Moore over here and Nathaniel Ruffel Jantz almost forgot those intros in there. Yeah We're gonna be talking a little bit of what I'm calling the headset fiasco with Nintendo switch So back in January Nintendo announced that voice chat would be through an app on a phone and we just kind of said oh, maybe that'll be an option That was always like it's okay if it's an option. They didn't make it sound like it was an option We're like, maybe it'll just be an option All right fast forward We finally get a glimpse at voice chat on switch due to a third party. I am noting for those out there We think I forgot it's a third party headset for the Nintendo switch However, it's officially licensed and being promoted by Nintendo and it's actually included in some bundles in Japan for Splatoon 2 Oh, yeah, so I know Some of you want to dismiss it, but I mean Nintendo is promoting it so I'll put it to you this way Were there Nintendo headsets for any other system? No, not Nintendo branded ones. You know, it's always been third party And I know people say oh, but the Wii U like they didn't have voice chat in Nintendo games But there was voice chat in other games on Wii U. So like voice chat existed on Wii U In fact the solution Wii U had Pretty basic and is better than what we're getting now with a paid online service. Yeah What they have done with Splatoon 2 is They've created what looks like it looks like a pretty cool headset the headset itself looks fine We don't know the quality of the mic of the speakers, but like the look of it looks fine Yeah, it looks very Splatoon 2 like very hipster very like in with it like in with the cool You know behind the head it whatever it looks fine I don't have a problem with the headset itself, but how it connects to voice chat and audio in the game is Okay, before I get into my opinions, I guess I'll just say what it what it is So the headphone plug into a little squiddling dongle That dongle has two wires coming from it one that plugs into your phone Which enables your voice chat through their voice chat app Another that plugs into the switch itself, which gives you the game audio So it's basically like an audio splicer it's bringing two sources together into one headset Audio splicing is a thing that exists It's it's existed forever people do it when like when they're setting up their home theater systems It happens all the time, but when they do that It's a set and forget you set it up and you never have to touch it again Unless you're adding a new device to the setup and then once that set up you never have to touch it again uh Audio splicing for things like voice chat Hasn't really been around in decades Like pcs fixed this issue a long time ago and also people will bring up the fact that there's still pc headsets today That aren't usb that have you know a sound and a separate microphone Yep But those inputs are literally right next to each other and it's still one cord coming from your headset That just splits right at the end into inputs on a single a single device Keypoint there so This has been fixed forever when xbox brought Gaming to online and had voice chat. It did not have two devices to do it It was one device. Yep. It plugged into your controller and went to your head and yeah Period and I know some people say maybe it's a design fault with nintendo where oh, they don't uh, you know, they didn't put a port on the The the pro controller or the joycon grip controller and that's why they have to do this solution And to that I always say I think bluetooth headsets been around forever. Yeah, right? Wow. Yeah, I mean They've been around almost as long as bluetooth been around Like like I was using it with my old flip phones back in the early 2000s like bluetooth Is an easy solution to this we're gonna say well, nintendo is just cutting the cords It's a portable system. You don't want cords. So you bluetooth it Yeah, I mean think about how many people when they had their phones Even today even with all the tech we have still have those bluetooth earpieces Oh, yeah, because they don't want to run a cord There's even people that wear bluetooth headphones when they're out jogging and even apple is not promoting You know wireless headphones because they don't have the headphone jack Yeah, they want you to use wireless headphones when you're jogging because it's still more convenient You eliminate the cord. Yep. Okay, even though there there are more comfortable There are issues with eliminating the cord, especially with like the ear pods you could lose one etc but the point the grander point here is that cords are not convenient and It's already inconvenient enough to have a single cord people have generally accepted That's okay at times like my mouse they make wireless mouse But I still use one with the cord because I have a better response rate with it Just like a lot of people use wireless controllers with their consoles like the switch But technically wired controllers are still better. There's less latency. Yep But sound that's not as big of an issue people have no problem with the wirelessness of their sound so When I see this convoluted setup I just think A couple things Either voice chat was an afterthought Or Nintendo never wanted you to use voice chat in the first place And all they are doing is giving you voice chat so they could tick a box and say we have voice chat too And I want to have a problem. Yeah If that's all like if all the ten don't want to do to say look we have voice chat you had that on Wii U Yeah And it was just a wire plugged into your system plugged into your gamepad like Like everyone else. Yep. Yeah, you didn't have the online infrastructure. You didn't have the lobbies You didn't have you know the the easy you know, they did have video chat for a while But they didn't make it easy But it was doable and convenient in terms of just the act of chatting This isn't even the act of getting a group together the chat and everything That's what the app is supposed to make really really easy This is just the act of chatting requires I have to plug something into my switch and plug something into my phone and then plug That into a device and then plug something into that device to listen. Yeah Three chords for a one chord problem. Yep, or a chordless problem Um So what are your thoughts on this Eric? Yeah, I know I the second I walked into your office And you showed me the picture and like what the hell is that and then you said what it was and I was like You got to be crapping me and in not so polite terms This just seems Absolutely ridiculous I I just again we've talked about comfort and you know the whole portability thing This does not make it any easier to this actually makes it harder to portable What's funny about the portability factor, right? And people who paid a lot of attention back in january will know this Reggie feeds me because they because they talked about You know why they're doing this app and everything and you know, we were not happy at the time But we were like well benefit of the doubt benefit. Let's wait and see what they do with it worst-case scenario Oh dang, I plug You know earbuds into my phone and voice chat through it and life is life, right? Like whatever you you That that that's what we basically thought was the worst-case possible scenario We had no idea Even a fleeting thought in our minds that you would have to get the game audio off the switch as well Because the app isn't able to stream the audio from the system that that didn't didn't really even cross our minds Is a worst-case scenario a worst-case scenario was I have to use my phone for voice chat. Yep um And that while that didn't sound enticing to us because you know like me like it's not enticing to me at all To use my phone because my phone gets a zillion notifications. I get emails on it. I have my business stuff coming through it I got my personal stuff coming through it. I have app updates I have you know tons of stuff that is always draining the battery and now I have to run a voice app So I I game for a three hour session. My phone's dead. Oh, and I You probably want to get that out of it. Yeah, and I don't want to deal with that I'll you know I just don't want to have to do why would I deal with that when I have a system plugged in that's constantly powered Right. Exactly. Anyways, so you move you move into What regi fissi may said back then on why they were going the voice app route and you're like, okay I guess just benefit of it out and see what happens and he said they Think they it was basically a comment on how they don't think clunky headsets make sense And then the first time we see a legit voice chat on the switch One it's with a clunky headset that has an even clunkier setup Yeah, at least the quote-unquote what he defines as clunky people who use those headsets don't think they're clunky They're comfortable like we said that the headsets aren't terrible. No, people don't have like the the Splatoon 2 headset looks fine Uh headsets in general like when he said clunky everyone was kind of like People wear it because that's comfortable. It provides better sound and audio quality. They're not doing it because it's clunky Yeah, no one like when I wear I have these they're not super expensive But I have these these decent sony headphones that my sister got me for Christmas because I wanted something that was more noise canceling when I'm mowing the lawn and Do you think I care that they're big? It would feel weird if it could noise cancel and not be honest I'm like, yeah, how you canceling are all the noise on my ear. Why not covering my ear? Yeah, so None of these like oh, it's clunky. Yeah, that's never been like ear pods exist if I think it's clunky There's already a solution. Just use a different type of headphone a different type of headset Like like people choose to use the clunky because it's a better quality sound. It has noise cancellation. It is just Generally a more pleasing experience And they usually have higher quality microphones included with them Voight versus like, you know, you wear an ear buds and you get a little mic down here Those mics are okay. Yeah, but they're not great. Right and and so headset mics are usually better now We get to now We're the very first time we even see voice chat for the switch Forget if you've been to a store and you saw a headset that said, you know supports the switch Fine I've even seen wireless headsets that say supports the switch But you know how it supports the switch with a bluetooth thing you plug into the headphone jack that gives you audio Which is exactly what we do sometimes when I'm live streaming so I know that works, but we haven't heard a voice chat Actually, it's like oh you bought a headset, but no one ever said the microphone was going to work natively with the switch Yeah, no one ever said that nintendo's never said that so I know some people like this is just an option for a setup And it's like but nintendo has never hinted that there's any other way to set it up But through your phone. Yeah, that's definitely that that I mean I'm bringing this up and why I'm getting a little more passionate about you know What other people have said is I did a video on this Um, and I admit it was a little bit of a little ranty I was a little more upset that I I wasn't able to talk as calm talk about it as calmly as I wanted like right now. I feel like I'm being rather calm but A lot of people responded saying that I my criticism isn't legit and that I um I I guess the most recent comment I read was it was along the lines of I Sound like a whiny brat because something doesn't work for me. This is just an option There's going to be other ways to do it and all I can say to that is that where it is is I hope there's other ways to do it I sincerely hope that like nintendo at ether's like hey dude like you can do that or you just get a bluetooth headset I would love if nintendo comes out and says that but here's the thing nintendo has not deviated From the company line on this since they announced voice chat. They have said 100 of the time you have to have the voice app Yep, and now We'll get to a topic later because now we know some specific details about nintendo's online system But in their online system listing now It specifically says voice app Something that you're paying to gain access to Meaning that there's no other voice chat listed on there any anywhere else Everything nintendo has said is that voice chat is through your phone through your phone through your phone They've never deviated from that. So this setup to me tells me that It's not just it wanted supports the fact that voice chats through your phone because you have to connect a cord to your phone Which means that's probably your microphone and headphone for the voice chat labs But now what what we're learning out of this setup is that there is apparently no way or at least no way That's publicly known through the app to stream the audio of the game through that app as well Meaning you have to have a splicer with two cords to get game audio and to get voice chat through the same headset And that is what's archaic about this and I know Some people might be okay with this and that's fine if it doesn't bother you that you have to hook up Three cords when it used to only take one or one cord and you want to argue it's just splicing into two fine That's great that it does not bother you But let me give you some examples of how this can bother you and now I wish I would have brought my I knew I wanted to give some examples. So Imagine that I'm holding my switch. Well, let's pretend this phone is a switch. All right And let's pretend I have my let's say that's not can't it's not can't look the phone. This is the switch All right, I grab a pair of headphones. I'm like cool I want to chat with my buddies while I'm playing some Splatoon 2. This should be great So I go and I get my headset on and I plug it into my switch Huh, there's no way to talk to anyone in here. Okay, cool. Let me plug it into and granted. I'm in portable mode Let me plug that into here. Cool. Now. I'm chatting with my buddies. I can't hear my game What do I do? What do I do? Oh, I know Let me get an audio splicer Oh, all right. So I'll plug a cord in here Plug a cord in here plug my cord into the audio splicer put it up to here Oh, it doesn't seem too bad. It doesn't seem too bad. Hey guys, how's it going? Oh, oh crap. I just unplugged it from my phone Lost my audio. Yep. Crap. I just yanked the cord and actually if you know anything about those kind of cords It's easy to crack them and have it not work correctly anymore And then you got to adjust it and hold it in position So we've all if you guys have used headphones over the years you all know how it works No matter how high quality the cable is if you yank it around like that That can happen. Yep. So now how do I solve that? How do I solve the fact that there might be some yank? How do I how do I solve the fact that you know? Maybe I forget that I'm voice chatting through my phone because no other device in the world works this way And I stand up with my switch to go to the crapper drag my phone with now There it is getting dragged along the ground my phone gets tossed around now. I'm cracking my phone It's also saying that your cords are long enough. I know what yeah, I mean I guess I could have a hundred foot cord and then never moves right And the thing is like There have been convenient times for audio splicers say we're both watching a movie Put an end splice it off two different headphones. Yeah, here's the thing We're not really moving this device right when we're watching the movie You're just sitting there watching it when you are playing you can't tell me that people just game And when you're on the go, you're not adjusting around you're not walking around Oh, now I got my phone in my pocket and I'm trying to voice chat with people While I'm doing this and blah blah blah next thing, you know, my phone's jacked and I don't realize it until also my voice audio cuts out There are so many situations Where this doesn't make sense when you're portable at all now Let's imagine that we're in a couch situation. My switch is up there in the dock I'm playing on my tv here Here we'll make this the switch in that case. Here's my phone. There's the switch. It's docked on the tv All right, let's pretend that this is about a good distance away Let's say let's say we're about 10 feet away from the tv. We got a 60 inch tv We're 10 feet away on the couch. Yeah, all right. So I'm a cool got my voice up here Oh, hey, how's it going? Oh, cool. Cool. All right, let's put the headphones in hold them on Hey, we're chatting away chatting away. Oh, hey, we're playing slow, slow, slow, slow, man I'm not really getting any audio feedback here. Like why did I just get splattered from behind? I didn't hear anything. Oh, right. I have to run a cord Through a splicer all the way across my living room and plug it directly into my switch Or I'm assuming you could probably plug it like if you're in the back of your tv plug it into the back of your tv And How is that convenient? Yeah, I don't it's not again. Again, my biggest thing is Homes your cord Well the thing Let's say let's say anything extended. Well, I know you can't accept there are again That's more cords and more things you have to plug in. Yeah Yeah, it even then even then just imagine People already don't sometimes like having corded controllers, right? They don't like running that cord across their living room to their couch Why do you think wireless controllers are so popular as they are people don't want to run that cord back to the system? Because what was the common issue people tripped over it all the time yanked the system all yanked the controller out of Hands, you know people with kids god It was so hard to even play video games with kids around because they would always want to play with the cords So now you're telling me that when I that I'm gonna have that same problem happening again Just so I can get audio from my game Yep a solution that was solved by plugging Audio into the Wii U game pad just last generation or a solution that was also solved by bluetooth So nintendo is bringing back an archaic method of voice chat and I know some people are gonna say Yeah, maybe bluetooth is there maybe you can natively drop through the switch Even though nintendo has never once stated that is even a possibility They've they've stayed to the company. It'd be different if they if they even were in a gray area like oh You can you can also voice chat through if they said also voice chat through phone That implies there's something to go along with that Yep, that there's a different method they're not talking about but that's not what they're doing Everything this is on the company line and the fact that an officially licensed product that's packaged with certain editions of swatoon in japan is coming out and Even has to audio splice to make it work Tells you there's a problem. Oh, definitely Why if there is a better way to do it if audio can be streamed to the phone Why are they splicing in the first place? It doesn't look cool. You know You know you get the you get to get the funny little dongle. Yeah, you get the funny little splatoon dongle But it's like no Nothing about that is good Like for all the people that are getting on my case about like, oh my gosh, what what's wrong with you? You're an entitled you're this and I'm like, I'm I don't buy entitled. How am I? How are my complaints illegitimate it right? Like I don't like one for starters In case this isn't clear to some people Nintendo prime is kind of My little brain child, right? So like a lot of what I talk about is opinions and if you don't like my opinion, that's okay I don't I don't like I'm not complaining that people are complaining about what I said because They they can Not like what I have to say. That's okay. No one has to like what I have to say No one has to time. I don't know So say like people don't have to agree with me. I don't care if they agree with me but to be like I don't have a legit criticism Of something that to me is so obviously stupid. Yeah, right It it's creating a problem that was solved decades ago. It's like I I don't know I I always thought worst-case scenario one cord to your phone. You're done And now we just got presented. No, it's two cords dongle or or maybe you don't have to get the dongle Maybe you could just get a normal audio splicer from walmart for two bucks. I don't know Because maybe that's literally all it's doing is just bringing two audio feeds into the same place. I don't know but whatever the case may be It's inconvenient and for a system that is Advertises its portability. It is terrible for portability to do that. Yeah, also then the You know criticisms things, you know Just because we are a nintendo channel and a nintendo site doesn't mean we can't Criticize nintendo either. Yeah. Yeah, the one guy the one guy the one guy you're a nintendo prime and You know, you're a pussy ass blah blah blah. Yeah, you know with your complaints and it's like What does what does us be a nintendo prime have to do with complaints about nintendo? Right? No I as I've as I've said in previous videos or one specific video for sure. I don't like fanboyism I don't like console wars. I hate it. I think they're all inherently stupid I think it creates fun conversation at times. I admit you can you can get into some fun conversation But as long as that fun conversation is constructive and oftentimes fanboy and console war Conversations and all of you guys have probably seen it. It's rarely constructive Just talking to brick walls across the board. Oh, yeah And that's what it sometimes feels like when i'm talking to even just some people who enjoy the nintendo prime content And that's why this that's why this upset me because it felt like people were Mad at me for not being a fanboy. That's what it comes what it kind of felt like It felt like because I am chastising nintendo over something when we have no other information. Okay I can't assume Something exists. I can't assume there's more to this when there hasn't been anything else Nintendo has said from from the beginning It's through your phone their online their online services statement says it's through your phone And now we have evidence real life officially licensed evidence. It's through your phone And now through that evidence that it has no way to bring game audio in yeah, so you have to splice your audio. It's like I'm not trying to say that there isn't a better way We all know there is we all know that bluetooth is the answer. We know the switch has bluetooth We know it should be as simple as the intent of realizing. Hey, maybe it should be natively on the switch So we could just offer a bluetooth option. Mm-hmm But that's not what they're saying and I know here's where someone's going to come in and say Oh, well, you know what they could release a thing that bluetooth to your phone And then it's just one cord running through your switch They could Sure that fixes a little bit of the portability problem It doesn't fix the fact I have to look at my switch and hook things up and look at my phone Check two devices to play a game online. It doesn't fix that It doesn't fix the fact that if lobbies and everything I handle it on here Oh, I want to I'm I'm in a match and I want to quick check. Oh, do my friends get into this game Let me look at my phone as the match is going on. Yep. It doesn't fix that It doesn't fix the fact. I still have to run a cord across my living room Which is a solution that wireless controllers fixed a long time ago It kind of fixes that because it'll stream the bluetooth to your phone and then you can have your phone sitting next to you How does that fix the game audio? You still got to get the audio from the tv if it streams the blue if it streams bluetooth sound from the Right now bluetooth headsets do not work with the nintendo switch without and are you hooking up a physical bluetooth thing into it Like my switch over there when I use my live streams It has a literal device that broadcast bluetooth out in the audio jack So like you can set it up to do that. Yeah yourself by buying extra stuff. Yeah And again, mine's wireless, but I got to remember to charge it otherwise it dies and sucked But right now the default way they want you to do it is running a cord across So even if those headsets are bluetooth that only works on my phone It's got nothing to do with the switch I'd still have to run a cord from my headphone to the and that's assuming that the headphone supports you using bluetooth And a cord at the same time, which I'm assuming they can release one that does But this still I still have to run a cord across my living room Unless I personally go out and buy a non-supported non-officially licensed bluetooth device to make my switch have bluetooth Yeah It's just a generic like I spent like 30 bucks on that thing. So people got to go buy a 30 dollar add-on For that and have to plug it into their switch every time they want to use bluetooth. Yeah, that's very true Yeah, I mean that that's what we're getting at. There's nothing convenient If there's nothing else you guys should get out of this brief conversation. It's that this is convoluted Beyond belief. Yes. I just explained how they could work around it I can hook up bluetooth to that hook up bluetooth up to my phone and pray to god the headset I'm working lets me receive two different bluetooth signals in the one audio signal in my in my headset And I'm sure there's probably headsets that exist. I do it. I don't know of any I know of phones that let you hook up multiple headphones to it The only other thing I get to see would be to receive audio from your bluetooth coming out of your Switch to your phone and then somehow But the app would have to support this the app would have to support that and if the app doesn't support that natively Why would they add an add-in a thing for where you have to go and buy other company stuff that nintendo makes no money from Yeah to enable that Just throwing it out there. I'm not saying it That's one of the way either way. Let's assume best-case scenario, right the the app Allows you to receive bluetooth from sound from your switch Or your tv if you hook up a bluetooth adapter to let's say you can yeah You could take my adapter hook it up and connect your phone to that bluetooth And it will recognize and then you can run a cord from here to there or a bluetooth has has over Let's assume that's possible Why are you making me buy more stuff? Just the voice chat wasn't the whole point of you putting the app on yours. Everyone has a smartphone Yeah, not everyone has extra bluetooth receivers. I sure as heck didn't I didn't even know I needed one until the switch Didn't have bluetooth. Yeah And the only reason I was even thinking about bluetooth on the switch is because the controller doesn't have an audio jack So it's like nintendo created a problem then they compounded it by not having bluetooth enabled I'm not saying it doesn't have the capability. It's just not and maybe they have it It's not enabled or maybe it interferes with the joy cons. I have no idea but reality is The only way right now to get audio from your switch if you're using it as a home console is to plug an audio jack Into the headphone. Yep jack and run it across your floor and the only way without buying extra peripherals like at least When they At least when they didn't include the ethernet jack, you can still connect your switch to the internet, right? Like there's still a way to do it natively. Yeah It's not ideal It's ridiculous to me the doc doesn't have a native ethernet port on it Right, so how cheap they are like a couple pennies. I don't know why they couldn't just throw it on the board They didn't they still want you to buy the dongle if you want direct the internet like that But at least you can still connect wi-fi and they don't seem to restrict the wi-fi pipeline So as long as you have a good enough wi-fi network and good enough internet You're probably not going to need to hook it up wired anyways. So at least Where they didn't really give you one solution without buying an add-on they provided another one here They don't give you the bluetooth solution and they don't give you the audio jack on the thing So it's not like they gave you they didn't give you one, but at least they gave you another option It's no they didn't give you any option. Yeah Except for the fact when you use an importable mode Yes, the headphone jack on the switch is convenient when you use an importable mode But what if it had been so hard To put one of the headphone jacks say on the left on the bottom of the left joy-con probably not The ir sensors on the other one, so you're not going to put it there But there's nothing on the bottom of the left joy-con. Why not put the headphone jack there? Then it's available all the time on on the pro controller You can move it to a more convenient spot, but it's available all the time where it is on the xbox. Yeah Or even as people said finally the audio jack where it is on the switch But then on at least on the grip put an audio jack on there With a board that can communicate to the switch through the joy-con so whatever, you know Put it in if you're not going to do that. You can at least do it on the pro controller. Yeah, definitely You charge 70 bucks for it. Is it that hard to throw on a a little Audio jack and the thing is I actually think the pricing for the for the pro controller and the joy-cons It's completely justified based on the technology in it I think I understand why it's 80 bucks for a set of joy-cons and 70 dollars for a pro controller They contain a lot more tech in them than the other controllers that cost cheaper. I get it It makes sense It it sucks at a consumer level because you're constantly comparing it to things that are cheaper Right, but it's still one of those things that I know That it costs more to make these So I as someone who is knowledgeable like that understands it. I can't understand this audio solution And what I can't also understand Is that it's an audio solution people are going to be paying for oh, yeah, and I understand the payments now that we have some of the details are cheap, but it's still You're making it more difficult than things need to be you're creating problems that have already been solved Yep, that's what that's the only thing I don't understand about this is they're making a mountain out of a mole hill Voice chat has already been solved. It doesn't need an evolution You know I always said the phone app is a nice thing As an aside Like oh my buddies are playing switch. Maybe I can stream their gameplay and chat with them while I'm not even playing switch That's cool. Yeah, that's a side dish a convenient a convenient thing to add in addition to normal But if you don't even offer the bare standard for it That strips away the entire purpose of voice chat and that ends up making voice chat so inconvenient that It's going to end up being the most people don't even bother So If that's the case if that's the case one, what's the point of having it two if you're going to have it Why are you charging for something no one's going to use? Yeah Or very few people are getting other things with it though Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll get into it in a little bit But the point is like it should be under it should be under the free box then If it's but it's not it's one of the primary things they say like they advertise specific. It's like And again, I hope that there's more I hope that nintendo comes out and says no full bluetooth is except it is out there and it goes native to switch And you're you can still manage it through your app that can communicate with your switch But it's still natively done through the switch. This just manages it. This just manages it So you save processing power for it. I understand that yes Because then you're just using you're basically just using the switch to broadcast to the internet where this actually does all the micro Managing of it that I understand But nintendo has never stated that they've never proven that and they've never released any information That even suggests it's a possibility and that doesn't mean it's not a possibility But it means my reaction and this whole conversation is based on the facts. It's based on what we know Right, we know you can do voice chat through your phone We know that nintendo has said voice chat is required to be done through your phone We know that the first time we've seen voice chatting required an audio splicer for the headphones so That's what we know. I can't I can't react to I can't You're asking people that want me to be happy about it or not complain You're asking me to stop assuming or to assume that there's more When done things ever been proven or if we've learned nothing if you guys have followed nintendo for a long time Here's what you should always learn. Don't assume anything Yes, did people really think the weave is gonna have motion controls or the ds was gonna have two screens at the time When portables had always been one screen like I Okay game and watch I know Didn't get two screens But you know what I mean the popular the popular game boy advance No one saw the ds comment. No one saw even the 3ds The 3d aspect no glasses free three notes If anything you know nintendo you can't assume anything like we there's a lot of people that think oh, there'll be a metro game at e3 Why well where have they hinted there's gonna be a metro game Because you want there to be a metro game and you assume nintendo is going to do it Well, and it's not even just nintendo not anything. It's nobody hinting It's like yeah, so I'm saying like they have they have had a Consistent constant message about how voice chat is handled and now we've seen a proof of concept that shows How voice chat is handled until they show us something different or tell us anything different We're left with what they tell us and these are the facts the facts are you need an app to do voice chat You voice chat through your phone and as of right now you have had we have known known way to get audio Through any other way from your switch outside of audio splicing And again inconvenience extra steps for the consumer In terms of reggie mentioning that we're getting rid of clunky headphone or clunky You know headsets. Well, when you replace clunky headsets with clunky setups. Yeah It's not any better. It's worse. So Anyways, hold on to our second topic because I think you don't have much to say because you're basically a total agreement. I think Definitely, like this is so stupid Definitely so stupid. All right. I'm not even gonna apologize. I'm it's just dumb. Yep