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See this is why I ask if you're ready All right The Daily Tech News show is powered by its audience and many Texans not outside Organizations to support the Daily Tech News show visit Daily Tech News show comm forward slash support See what I did there This is the Daily Tech News for Monday December 5th 2016 I am the highly trained Tom Merritt along with the accurate and sensational Veronica Belmont Hello, try to take a more action-oriented approach to the introductions. Is it working? What did you call me? You said accurate Accurate? I'll have to work on that one. Yeah. Sensational is fine, right? Sensational is good. Timely or maybe like on time or punctual Belmont. Punctual. About punctual Veronica Belmont. I like that. You are quite punctual if punctual if people do that. I think my co-workers. I was two minutes late for a meeting this morning because I was getting a tea and I think they thought I was dead Yeah, they're like where is she? 120 seconds Hey, we're gonna talk about a the idea of online and offline Barriers blending is there really a difference between your online and your offline life? There's a great column for Manly knew it's over to our technica kicking off that conversation That'll be our main topic today A bunch of other things happening including the fact that our producer roger chang is on the road for a move for the next three days So if you're watching the video version and you're wondering why the screenshots are so crappy, that's why That explains it Because i'm in charge of them. Hey, look at that. Microsoft has launched a new chatbot named zoe That like te doesn't post on twitter and refuses to talk politics It learning it's learning. Yeah, so that's that's probably a good idea. Also bmw Uh and seattle police work together to remotely lock a car thief inside the car heat stolen Wow Yeah, because they have like a find my iphone type of thing right Where they have an application where you can track your car Uh, you can remotely unlock and lock it and it wasn't the app that did it It was actually the bmw working with the police, but they were able to track it because of that functionality And so they locked him in. Yeah, they locked it. He was apparently taking a nap This is this is great. It's it's terrifying, but also amazing. Yeah. No krug in the chat room is not like this at all He's like this sounds like a real uh case for a malfunction with a sinking car Wait to happen Right, but I love I love that it was for good and that it worked and that's that's pretty crazy Uh atnt launched 5g that's it your connection is slown Uh, no, this is a test. This is a field test of the service for intel Intel is the business customer who'll be testing it in austin texas Uh, they'll get to try out internet access 4k video streaming live video conferencing phone service over the internet All that kind of thing. Uh, so first of the 5g tests going on now Here are some more top stories All right, this is the big one amazon has opened a test location for a convenience store called amazon go Using what it calls just walk out technology So that you could just walk out and it will charge you for anything you're carrying customers gain entrance By using the go app you swipe the go app with its qr code on your way in Uh, and I guess that would set off the alarm if you don't swipe properly And then the security guards come and get you before you can get into the store Then you walk around and a combination of sensors computer vision and deep learning Will track you and the things you pick up and set down And then when you walk out your amazon account is charged for what you can take with you amazon go is an 1800 square foot location at 21 31 7th avenue seattle It mostly has meals and snacks. So it's really properly probably described as a convenience store And right now it's only open to amazon employees though. Non-employees are supposed to be able to shop there starting early next year I can definitely see how from a privacy perspective You know if it does expand to be more of a convenience store like a cvs or a walgreens in the future That I would feel pretty uncomfortable buying like certain stuff or you know, if I wasn't feeling well or if I needed work remover or whatever To know that I was being analyzed constantly, you know, I mean there's Well for food and snacks, it's a little less dicey But yeah, right the progression of where this will go is is a little more concerning Right because the the thing I thought of when I saw it was Those times when you're in a rush and you're like, ah, the last thing I want to do is either Wait for a human being To to ring me up or go to one of those self-checkouts and just have it break And and you still have to wait for a guy to come over if this works and obviously that's why they're testing it with employees I'll be able to just go in find the sandwich walk right out, right? But I hadn't even thought of what you're talking about which is go in find the itch cream Whatever and walk right out the condoms get the whatever All that stuff that you're always like, I mean, I'm not I'm not ashamed to admit it I have bought tampons for my wife and it's always a little weird when you're alone at a grocery store My friend was sick one time in the hospital and I had to buy her anal suppository So she would stop throwing up from the drugstore. See Exactly that was embarrassing for me, but I'm a very good friend Big gym points out all that stuff shows up on your amazon suggested shopping list Exactly amazon because it's tied together. I I you know, if you if you're buying weird stuff on amazon At least it's kept within your family or kept within your I guess it would be on your amazon like account somewhere You know apple kind of already does this in the apple stores. I mean you have to go through an additional They're not tracking you and but you can buy things using the the apple pay app from from your iphone If you want to just go in and buy a pair of headphones and not wait in line. I've done that I always feel weird. Yeah, it's you feel sketchy, but you're fine. But this is even sketchier In some ways, it's less sketchy though because with with the apple store I don't have to use my phone I you know, I could just pick the thing up and walk out with it right and pretend like I used my phone with this amazon thing There's no incentive for you to do that because basically they only let you in if they know how to charge you And then right whatever you walk out with you're paying for you can't you know, it's the norm It's the norm. It's total like everybody in that space is following this set of criteria and understands how it works So that's fine. But yeah with the apple store. It's like, oh do that I don't have a receipt in hand. Yeah, do I really just walk out? Okay Uh, but it works. Yeah, so and it's fascinating to see amazon Moving into physical space it kind of ties into our main topic today where they're finding out like Oh, these are the things that our technology can now make better in the three-dimensional world All right, well moving on here's a roundup of some ai news Google DeepMind has renamed its ai training environment from labyrinth to DeepMind lab and posted it as open source on github At the same time open ai which made its open ai gym training environment open source in april made public an interface called Universe which lets an ai use a computer like a human by viewing a screen and using a virtual keyboard and mouse And uber launched uber ai labs staffed by employees of geometric intelligence which uber has acquired The team has been researching sparse data problems that recognize objects or situations with smaller amounts of training data Yeah, so this is actually really cool. Uh, I all of this stuff I mean, we've talked quite a bit about the The interesting situation where open sourcing the majority of your ai Is helpful because it needs so much data It needs so many eyes on it and the more people that use it the better it gets for everyone And it's merely your implementation and expertise that differentiate you at as far as becoming a business So this is a continuation of that and people are trying to play up the fact that open ai is peter teal and elon musk backed Versus google like there's there's some competitiveness, which i'm sure there is But but this is also a very collaborative space here I think the interesting the more interesting of these stories is the sparse data the idea that hey You know what what if we were able to get these ai to work better without needing that much data without having to have These you know shovel loads and petabytes of training It does feel like in that regard google has the advantage at least just coming from their last 20 years almost worth of of search terms and Contextual information that they've picked up from from users and customers But yeah, open sourcing it is is an awesome way to to kind of refine that data and add more to it And let other people get their hands on it for for due context Uh, yeah, no, I I absolutely agree and and I think we are going to continue to see more of the open sourcing I'll be curious if sparse data Helps uber beyond i'll be let me put it this way. I'm curious what uber will do beyond Just travel right they they keep talking about like oh it'll help find shorter routes for you I don't get your food. Do you faster if you order from uber eats There gotta be other things they have in mind though That they haven't moved right to yet All right, uh, canada's government is asking for feedback on several online surveillance and security proposals veronica Give me your uh, your instant feedback on these. I know you're not canadian, but if you were so cool Yeah, the proposals include I don't care about the proposals. Just canada's cool for doing this Okay, the proposals include requiring decryption on government order Not cool, uh requiring the government to be allowed to intercept online communications Okay, all right mandating service providers include Including vpn providers store and make available customer records and view basic subscriber information without a warrant You could submit your opinions on the proposals at the page Investigative capabilities in a digital world at public safety dot gc.ca. Well, it's nice that they're asking It is Nice that they're asking They're not the first government to take public feedback But but yes, no it's better for them to do it this way These are Much farther reaching than anything in the united states And in some cases farther reaching than even the snoopers charter the snow that that passed in the uk The the most controversial although all four are controversial The most controversial is the decryption one because this is similar to a bill that was Started in the u.s. And and and then was killed where they would not require a back door an encryption But require you to be able to decrypt something on order Which would then in turn mean you probably would need to go to the back door Yeah, or else you'd find yourself in violation of the law at some point That's yeah, that's super problematic. Um, but like I said, they're so polite to ask Um, we'd like to surveil you is that okay? Is that okay? I mean are you cool with that? No, canada. No Yeah, well public safety dot gc.ca if you're canadian. I guess anybody could can respond but particularly if you're canadian You should let them know what you think Google has introduced trusted contacts, uh, which lets you share your location People you designate as trusted can request your location say during an emergency You can say yes or no, but if you don't respond at all in five minutes Your location is sent to a trusted contact. You can also share location in real time So friends and family can see if you're on your way to meet them for instance This is a replacement for a latitude, right? They they kind of got rid of latitude a long time ago In fact, I'd forgotten all about it till I think it was the tech crunch article Or maybe it was the vertical mentioned it I I didn't read through to this article So maybe you have the answer is this is this an app that you can download as part of your your google suite of tools or is this only for android users part of part of android so you're not I don't think there's any offerings For for you windows phone users Okay, thank you. Thank you for clarifying that for me But you know I I it seems like it's a well-designed situation and it's interesting whereas latitude was more about the fun of sharing I think it's a sign of our times that this is being presented more as an emergency situation like You know if if you need to let people know where you are This will do it and if they want to know where you are and you don't answer in five minutes It will let them know which could be problematic You need to be careful who you put on your trusted contacts because if you're not paying attention to your phone And they ask where you are and you don't say yes or no They'll it'll send them your location and and so you you should pretty much only put people on there that you're Okay, always being able to know where you are right Don't cheat on your spouses and then put them in trusted contacts, right? Is that what you're saying? I mean that is one thing to say for sure as part of this absolutely uh a warning zack bodin and daniel rubino over at the Windows central website have sources who say microsoft's home hub Will be software a feature that will run on windows That will support touchscreen and pen inputs home hub will supposedly feature better shared family accounts Deeper integration with cortana a voice assistant Into account data and smart home integration with ocf and open t2t support Microsoft is apparently encouraging oems to create all-in-ones with home hub features in mind No word on release, but features of home hub should roll out starting with windows creators update. Hopefully As rich straffolino wrote for our daily tech headlines this morning. This won't be kitchen pc type stuff Yeah, uh, but this is this is microsoft taking a Somewhat amazon-like strategy amazon's trying to get people to build alexa into their products But microsoft's not at least at the beginning saying they're going to make a product They're they're saying this is just what windows will do And you if you want to make a competitor to the amazon echo or google home You can do it and use windows to build it That's cool. I mean I that makes sense. I feel like i'm already oversaturated with these devices as it is Uh, so maybe it'll be I want to see some of what the the oems come up with Yeah I I feel like you do Where i'm not sure that we need yet another competitor here Until I see what it can do And I would like to see someone come up with a new way of implementing these That's what amazon wants people to do by partnering them with their voice's system I mean I should call it avs that won't set off anyone's amazon echo With avs, but I think that's smart of microsoft to say, okay, we probably can't necessarily claw back a lot of market share by coming out with a with a device right now And and meanwhile windows can be used in loads of different situations. That's what we've designed it for That's why we've made it, you know one store and one platform across multiple devices So let's try to encourage people Let's go to let's go to bat with amazon before they get a toehold in this in getting outside vendors to use our operating system for it Well speaking of microsoft, they asked 17 of its researchers about technology advances. They expect in 2017 and 20 27 among the predictions Margonzales franco believes body tracking will lead to hallucination like experiences blending with reality Susan dumei believes that search box will disappear by 20 27 replaced by ubiquitous embedded and contextually sensitive search Asta roseway believes ai will help farmers maintain healthy crop yields by 20 27 And jennifer chiase believes ai will become development of algorithms Which are fair accountable and resistant to manipulation in the next decade Yeah, it's a fascinating report. If you haven't read it IBM does a similar report where they try to say, hey, we've got all these smart researchers Let's ask them. Let's come in down the road. It's a fun to end of the year thing It's a good cheat sheet for us when we do our predictions episodes for daily tech news show But a lot of these are fascinating. I mean that the one from from margonzales franco is Is crazy and also, I mean if you read it, she she's not kidding around She's not joking like yeah, it'll be like you're hallucinating. She's like, oh no You will have devices That will know exactly where your body is and in what position and We'll be able to change the world around you such that you're basically hallucinating Yeah, it's gonna be fun Yeah W scottis one says you mentioned The amazon voice person on daily tech headlines and my and even when you were saying it in the flash briefing It set it off. No joke. Wow. Uh, yeah, it wasn't me this time No, it wasn't you this time. Uh, but yeah, I would I would recommend if you're into futurism If you're if you want to know what's coming down the pike Looking to spur your imagination. Uh, go check out what the microsoft researchers have to say Thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show Dot reddit.com Let's say Thank you That's our head top stories for the day. All right, uh, as I mentioned ours technica posted an op-ed piece From annalie newitz who writes for them about the difference between online and real life annalie points out that phones store all our information So when we're out and about We have our online life with us Almost all the time in the developed world for sir certain cell towers can track us So, you know, if you're a person who doesn't carry a cell phone with you You can say oh, well this doesn't this doesn't apply to me But most people do and so most people can be tracked Uh, I guess some of you can turn off your phones, but most people don't The internet of things is making this even more so so your home your baby monitors your cars as we mentioned earlier Your offices even city infrastructure red lights traffic monitors traffic sensors road sensors Is all connected to the internet And newitz argues that going offline is not a real option anymore She says there is no such thing as an exclusively online movement or social experience our real lives What we do in the streets are wired into computer networks And I think increasingly too like our our our real life actions and our online actions are Very tethered to one another for example I believe it's in china where you have a system of like social proof for your friends and if you do things like I can't think of a good example, but you have a score essentially It's like a statewide like clout score And so if you do things that are like like pro the people's republic of china Your score improves and all of your friends see that and you can have special rights and privileges Versus if you don't do certain things your score starts to go down So it's really interesting how we're getting this almost like gamification of social responsibility and duty Actually combining in a very real very meaningful sense In your day-to-day life like even what jobs you can get so it's it's kind of scary sometimes and You know, I think especially as someone who has spent a lot of my life working and living in the internet space And working on web content like there were questions in my mind always about like what is public What's public veronica versus what's private veronica? And increasingly that line just is totally blurred now Just because we do spend so much of our lives online and our friendships and relationships are there Our work is so intrinsically tied to it in so many cases It's very difficult to to separate that out and it has it has important consequences Yeah, it's funny when you mentioned the chinese stuff. It strikes me that we have all of those things We have a real name policy on facebook. We have cloud scores as you mentioned We do it in the united states way, right? We do the free market version where it's not centrally mandated, but everybody participates Everybody's on facebook Not a single employer this day these days will not google And a potential employee like even if they're doing it casually and it's not tied into the actual like job process Like a hiring manager is going to probably search for your name on the internet and see what's there And it's no longer a case of saying. Oh, well, you know, that's just my my my private Instagram account I don't really do anything work related there It doesn't matter because they're going to see it if it's tied to your real name So it's it's hard to separate those things out. Yeah, I I like you in the mid 2000s would post things online and and I at the time I had gotten over the idea that hey, you know, anyone could be a dog on the internet, right? We were we were ending that but I also felt like well, it's only the people online who see this Right that used to that used to be a thing in my head That oh, I'll I'll post this on twitter and only us internet people Well, there's no more internet people There are just people and I and I think that that informs a lot of the discussions we're having about social interactions online online responsibility privacy security is that All of the problems we have in real the real world We also have online because almost all of the people are there So all the types of people are there and annally makes a really good point too about the whole kind of fake news debacle That's been happening recently She initially kind of blew that off because she's like oh nobody believes this stuff These are just stupid articles on the internet Well, we have now seen that they have a very material effect on not just how people view the world But the choices that they make or at least the biases that they cling to if they support their own thoughts and opinions particularly so it's there's you know, it's it's We live in the space and spend an awful lot of time there And it's shaping the way we view the world the outside world as well Yeah, and I think there's a legitimate debate to be had about how much effect that sort of thing had Specifically on the particular election we just had in the united states But it did it did play into it because we're having that conversation, right? And I think that's annally's that that's the the fundamental part of annally's point is Is not whether or not fake news had an effect or not But hey, guess what putting fake news up on the internet Caused people to notice and pay attention And became and became a sticking point and a in a controversial point in a campaign in a way that it never would have In in in 1998 we had a gunman even as 2008 We had a gunman go to a pizza restaurant yesterday in washington dc Because it was the target of fake news stories that hillary clinton was running a child pornography ring from its back room And so he went to the restaurant with it with a with a rifle To check it out and shot fires like fired shots into the restaurant. Nobody was hurt. Thank god But you know, this is someone who believed something so strongly that he saw on the internet that he felt Compelled to go check it out and potentially stop it from happening And the point I think the the the point of that story is not that he saw it on the internet It's that he heard about it, right? The internet is now real life. Like there is there is no he saw it Oh, it was on the internet, right? He saw the story If this had happened because of a network news story or or because of a national inquirer story Years back we wouldn't have say well, he saw it on on the newsstand, right? We'd say oh, he's he saw this thing believed it and went there and did it. So this is this is yeah This is exactly the problem. I mean we're caught in the space where the national inquirer And reputable news organizations are getting the same if not more amount of FaceTime You know in terms of what people are looking at on the internet as they More so than ever come on I mean if you're on facebook and they didn't like before they changed these these algorithms that they're looking at As a news site that was that did primarily fake news would be shown in a way exactly the same Organization that's a separate topic and people who aren't paying attention to that kind of thing But I mean is it because you just said that if he had seen it in national inquirer He would have could have made that same choice, but now I get yeah Exactly at my point being not being whether the national inquirer had a better or worse effect on people back then But my point being that we wouldn't say oh, well, we need to crack down on newspapers, right? It's it's it's about the fact that we need to accept that the internet is not a special thing It's not it's not a case where you say oh, well, that's different Uh, that's because it's on the internet and and that that's where I was going with this Okay. Yeah, total different conversation. Yeah. Yeah, I think those are those are two very perfectly valid conversations to have Uh, but when we when we talk and when we speak on the internet, we're speaking In public it's it's not on the internet and DJ Sakane in our in our slack earlier said I used to feel like I had a separate identity on the internet and off of it And that's no longer true. I imagine that's not true anymore for a lot of people I think that's that's definitely something where we're seeing a lot of I mean we And our words are just as valid online as as they would be person to person these days too And that's that's another thing that I think a lot of people are kind of figuring out and dealing with Yeah, uh, we had some folks in chat point out that When We first saw the internet come along we thought oh, it's going to it's going to cause better interactions because the barriers are down And we can expose ourselves to viewpoints from all around the world And and get to see those viewpoints and and we'll all be better people for it Uh, and it turns out that the lack of anonymity on the internet isn't doing that. It's causing at least right now It's causing more conflicts. It's causing people to get mad at each other It's causing people to say oh well This is the reason the thing I didn't want to have happen happen And it's your fault and we're all angry at each other I I have a theory of why I think that's happening But I'm curious if you've you've got thoughts on that Um Say it one more time. Sorry. What was that? What was the just that idea of of we we used to think Oh when we all can interact on the internet, it'll make us all better and it seems like instead we're all just fighting even more Yes, I think it has it has both In many ways, you know, I I'm very thankful to the internet because it's connected me with people who share the same Kinds of interests and and likes and and things that I'm into That I never would have met in my in my meat space Just because we're separated by space or we just haven't don't run in the same circles and that's wonderful But it also does open you up to a lot of groups that you don't necessarily have a shared opinion with And so sometimes those things butt heads It's a lot easier to bump into people who you have different opinions with I think in in the public space that is the internet A lot of those social norms are kind of broken down when you're just text to text versus face to face There's a lot of things people say to other people that they never would say Person to person And so yeah, it's breaking down those kind of barriers for sure for for positive and for to negative effect I think that's I think that's absolutely it. I the problem is that we've only broken half the barrier Right with the the if you're in public at the let's say you're at the mall And you're talking to a stranger about something You are not going to talk to them the same way you talk to someone in a reddit thread Or on facebook or on twitter because they're in front of you Because you see that they are a real person If you are on the internet, we haven't got past the ideas like hey, guess what I'm I'm not anonymous so I can speak my mind But a lot of people still don't take into account and the person I'm speaking to is a legitimate real person It all still feels like well those people don't matter because they're on the internet Yeah, they're just just it's just an avatar on twitter or whatever And I think that if you want to solve All of these a lot of these problems, maybe not all we're not going to solve all the problems But if you want to solve a lot of these problems fake news bullying harassment political correctness all of this stuff We have to concentrate maybe On that side of the equation. How do you? Humanify the people you're talking to Some of it is personal responsibility, right the week we can all say well, I am going to do that now But but how do you encourage that to happen? Yeah, it's uh, I think that's probably one of the biggest problems we're having. Yeah, uh, and and I think I don't know that we're going at it from that aspect of it of like How do you how do you how do you create a situation that humanizes people naturally? How do you systematize that versus cracking down and stopping that's most of the solutions are Blocking stopping that sort of thing Not saying that those aren't necessary in some cases or will not they they will definitely help in some cases But they won't at all. I don't think I think it's like It's uh treating the symptoms not the not the problem. Yeah, not the disease All right, uh, let's get to our text message Nate Langston and Ian Morris do the show text message Uh, and let us know what's going on From the uk perspective. What's happening this week Nate? Thanks tom this week We've heard of a loophole that might let british citizens not have all their web browsing history logged by the government Move to an independent isp and for several reasons We've had the need to discuss online pornography law and so-called sexting regulation in britain So maybe not one for the kids But for grown-ups that's all out now on this week's text message at tech podcast dot uk or your favorite podcatcher back to you Tom, thank you, Nate. Go check it out. It sounds like it's uh a titillating episode this week actually Send your pics to us folks feedback at daily tech news show dot com You can find more pics at daily tech news show dot com slash pics Finally, uh, we have one message of the day. It's a little bit of a longer one But I think it's really interesting ryan the dj wrote in and said I was listening to you and justin discussed the future of wearables And got to thinking about my recent visit to the audiologist after 18 years as a dj I've finally caved and talked to the audiologist about hearing aids where he introduced me to the halo two By starkey because my hearing loss is mild to moderate mostly in conversational settings I don't need something severe But the ability to control and adjust my own is paramount The halo two is essentially a hearing aid built around the iphone with easy streaming of music podcasts and phone calls Right to the hearing aids while still receiving sound from the outside world And the ability to control all your sound settings from your phone or apple watch I went online to research the device I found an article describing them as a new category called hearables not just wearables With fitness trackers being the prevalent market for wearables and apple choosing to promote accessibility on the main stage at their last keynote And on their website It seems like medical applications could be the emergent dominant use case for wearable tech in the consumer market At $6,500 for a pair of high tech hearing aids The price tag is a lot tougher to swallow than a $350 apple watch But it's an investment. I feel would comfortably improve my quality of life rather than a watch that reads my text Or glasses that post videos to the web Wow That's cool How much did he say they were $6,500 so yeah $500 These are these are targeted towards people with insurance Yeah, like the insurance is going to cover a portion of that if the doctor says yeah, you need hearing aids, but but What what way more capable hearing aids than we're used to thinking about That's that's pretty incredible. That's that's cool technology cool advancement in that existing technology for sure And I think he's he's probably got a point that Medical applications are a big part of wearables. Uh, and we'll make up a huge segment of them as well. Yeah, I hope so Well, thank you Veronica Belmont, uh, as always being here on monday's. What do you got to tell folks about this week? Um, we're having a new episode of sorden laser up this week. 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We're live monday through friday 4 30 p.m Eastern at alphageek radio dot com and diamond club dot tv and our website is daily tech news show dot com Back tomorrow with patrick beija talk to you then Who is part of the frog pants network? Get more at frogpants.com I hope you have enjoyed this program boom Whoa, that literal booms Good show. I was moving my mic What should we call it? showbot.tv The best place for the things you want to put on the title I get to interview my first candidate today for a job for a job Nervous you've interviewed people before at other jobs though, right? Just not for like a job not for like a job No, I've been a contractor since c net. I think the last person I like I thought you I thought we had you Sit in on interviews for people at c net, but maybe I think you did I think I was there for brian tong I think that's okay it okay, and that worked out. He's still there. See you've got a great track record You're gonna be great We'd like to survey you okay What what is that? We'd like to survey you okay The internet is people That's a good one. Yeah, that's right on target too. Yeah url is the new irl That's good too. Give us the back door a Amazon go has something in store Oh, that's that should be their tagline. That should be their tag line You are what you post shane's on fire for those. Oh, yeah shane's crushing it Um, I do like I do like if the internet is people the internet is people fewer exclamation marks Fewer or more Good point I didn't mean to I didn't mean to ruffle your feathers on the fake news thing I was just trying to steer us away from going down that rabbit hole because it can be a rabbit hole Whatever tom The internet is people let's take it off It's It's got traction I'll be a traction If I thought would hurt myself seriously What else we got in here surveillance surveys a give us a back door is pretty good too. I like that one Uh Wow big gem really Canada wants some back door action It's funny That's funny the internet gets real treating the symptom not the troll Amazon in convenience Let's wait down. Wow, you guys have a lot of them in there today Master chief is here to fix your hearing On the internet everyone can hear you scream Oh, I should have I was so distracted by the uh trying to do the screenshots that I I wanted to talk about that Prediction that the search box would go away Although really all I wanted to say was like, yeah, I think it probably will Yeah I'm right here front Sorry I'm right in front of you if I'm annoying you can just say it to me, you know what this No, I'm sorry. I'm looking at facebook Oh, don't do that. See that's your first mistake I know I still believe and I may be proven wrong as I have been proven wrong on so many other things I still believe we will learn we are in the middle of learning How to get along in this new way of interacting And that this is the height of the pain of that learning process. I hope you're right And that is not to say that I know how it will turn out and what the solution is but um Couldn't see my cool necklace on the stream today. Oh, yeah Is that a la tote It is it's a keeper from la tote. I was gonna say it looks la tote to me They sent me an extra bag by accident this month an extra box. So I had two boxes. Oh, wow. Was that a mistake? It was too much. It was a mistake. Yeah Would they still have charged you for all of it? No, because they only charge you a flat rate per month But if I kept everything they would have charged me they would have charged you. Yeah Because they do anyway, I do the mister collection This is a mister collection shirt. Oh, nice. Is that the same idea? Uh, yeah, they just charge you a flat rate per month and then if you keep it then they they you so it's exactly the same Yeah, neat. How much is it per month? Can I ask? 30 and 40 there's two different tiers depending on what kind of clothes you want. That's good Is that is that good? It's 50 for la tote. Oh, wow. Yeah It's my it's my my thing. I've been doing it for a while. I don't know if they raised their prices But that's what it was when I signed it Do you get to pick the things that go in your box? You don't but you get to advise Uh, and of course you're gonna like all of them. You can give feedback on what stuff you liked and We get to pick everything that goes in our box. You can you can let them pick for you or you can swap everything out You know how it works. Oh, I do I think Eileen's only doing la tote for clothes now. No. No, she's still doing stitch fix actually Oh, she's doing stitch fix. I thought she was la tote. She's both Oh, that's a lot close. Actually, she might have canceled stitch fix. I haven't seen a box. I think she canceled stitch fix La tote's way better anyway, but she all she does lots at korean beauty product boxes Yeah, that's right. She gave me so much good swag. Oh, I know She gave me I came home. I was like arms full of stuff I used one of the masks last night actually which one And I swear to god, I wasn't planning on it, but I was like show me all the new stuff you got She's like here take this. Oh, I was like, yes, please go in there and do that Take some of those things like Christmas for me Well, good. I'm glad And and I'm not you know, I'm not dog and my wife She just has so many of them, right? She gets a lot for review too now. Yeah, she does because of face of e If you guys and I know virtually none of you are but if you're into korean beauty products Uh, go go follow face of e on instagram.com. I'm getting all my girlfriends into it I started sharing around my look. They're outside hunking Yes All right. Yeah, I gotta let you go. All right. Thanks. Bye guys. See ya No, roger here today. Uh, so we'll see how long I leave this stream on I don't want to leave long periods of silence for you to listen to or watch Uh, and I'm still exporting Maybe I'll just chat with the chat room though Uh, yes, big jim says my wife does not work for a korean beauty manufacturer But she wants to I don't know if she wants to though. Uh, I think she likes getting the the free products too much Yes, uh, jt0 would like to point out that the mister collection Is totally different than the mister mister collection, which I assume is just a greatest hits Of all or a collection of all their albums I could nick with a c is singing girl from epaneme. I could add that in I could play that Big thanks to uh, uh, text jeb Aka mr. Bailey for the bailey tech news show Introduction today And uh, those of you who don't subscribe to the regular, uh situation. Oh, I forgot dropbox cutoff public links For our dropbox because um, too many people were accessing it. So Uh, we are using resilio now for the treasure chest So if you're someone who likes to find the treasure chest stuff, go check patreon.com.com slash dtns And you should find a new link, uh to the resilio treasure chest I'm going to try to resolve it with dropbox because I know a lot of you would prefer to use dropbox anyway But if I can't uh resilio Because it's founded by the bitTorrent folks doesn't rely on a central server Which means we shouldn't run into those bandwidth issues And uh, once again, I gotta remind you those dtns hoodies are super comfortable like they're so comfortable I we got uh, we got a new television our panasonic viara plasma Had served us for almost 10 years. It was uh, it was quite a trooper But we got the blinking led of death And we Could have repaired it. It sounds like it's a capacitor thing that you have to you have to swap out Uh, but we decided to take the opportunity to upgrade. It's a 10 year old television for goodness' sake And um, you know 4k and hdr is starting to be a thing. Uh, so we got an lg OLED Uh, and it is after having a plasma first of all the power draw is so much less I mean, I think it might pay for itself in power consumption. I'm not even joking about that over the course of a couple of years Uh, but also super thin Uh, I would kept worrying I was going to crack it in half when I was setting it up because it's so thin anyway, um So we were uh, we were I was setting all that up pulling it out of the box plugging in cables in my comfortable hoodie and it was awesome So even if you don't want a dtns hoodie, you should figure out who makes those hoodies I I should look at the tag and you should definitely buy one of those hoodies Uh, it is not curved big jim. It is a straight Panel I did not opt for the curved And it another j martin it is 65 inches Our panasonic was 50 inches And my wife always gets the final word on how large the tv is going to be and she generally opts for the largest that we can find That is her thing Yeah, the curved screen i'm still shane's like, what's the point of the curved screen seems weird to me. Um There are some people who claim that it's it's really good. Uh, that you know, it's it's Super helpful and all of that I I don't know Did you ever use the 3d? Well, we've had it less than 24 hours And we have not used the 3d there. I don't think we'll ever use it the panasonic Unless you meant the panasonic it did not have 3d on it But we did get 3d glasses so Okay, I believe that I have properly Uploaded the show. Well, no not uploaded. I have properly exported the show Now i'm going to upload it These are the scintillating bits of commentary that you won't find when roger's here to tell you something more interesting Uh, and of course because veronica's in the middle of her workday. She can't hang out as long But we're glad we get her on the show I was worried when she would get this job that it wouldn't be possible But thankfully it is and big thanks to her for making it possible It's a huge weight off my mind Trust me I upload I don't know how many of you already know this but I upload to both soundcloud and archive.org The soundcloud version is the one that gets pulled into the podcasting feed But I upload to archive.org because I want to Make it easy for everything to be on archive.org so So there you go. Also, uh, it creates aug versions and things like that for a while We we were There was a fan created aug feed Uh, but I think dan just ran into too many issues with The files not being created in timely manner and this and that so it kind of fell by the way side I think Unfortunately, the link is still on the site and I should probably pull it down because I don't think it's been updated in more than a year but I like having that kind of thing available Ace to tech when will spoiler in time digest the westworld finale? Uh, well shane Spoiler in time this evening will digest the westworld finale You can watch live for free if you're a patron of cord killers. You can get it, uh, by tomorrow morning Uh, and otherwise it'll go in the cord killers feed on wednesday Ethan kane saw the 108 inch curved screen in korea and even at that size. He says he didn't see the point Oh, and shane reminds me. There's also a vimeo feed that is fan run by shane and I think bio cow helps him out with it Or maybe bio cows running it and shane helps set it up. I can can't remember exactly how how that went But yeah, if you're uh, if you're a vimeo user, there's a there's a feed for the video over there Which is fantastic All right The archive org version is up. I know you were Tense about that. I just wanted to rest us rest your fears The sam club one always takes a little longer. They do some more processing on it or something Bio cow does all the work. Thank you shane. Shane says i'm a mirror investor Well, that's an important role I don't know what your Investment consists of but we're happy it's there All right, the internet is people. Yes, it is And it's now an mp3 And it's almost published Oh, w scottis one says you always talk about the video even though it's not official. When will it become official? Uh, it's it's as official as it needs to be for the moment. It's neither official nor unofficial uh, we we actually uh, sort of a Legitimized it a while back But because we weren't making any progress toward that as a milestone goal We just took the milestone goal away Otherwise it would be silly to have a milestone goal that you were sort of reaching for and then not Uh, so we didn't do we didn't do the big production side of it that we thought we might do one day Maybe that will come along, you know with graphic opens and all of that sort of thing But we are treating it as as a part of our Service the dts world service If you will I guess you could call it in beta It's official, but it's in beta It's just it's it's a lower level of Than we might normally want to uh It's not it's not a video first. It's still an audio first show Put it that way Um, but yeah, we're trying to pay a little more attention to the video all right, uh Thank you all for hanging out And we will be back with Patrick Beja tomorrow It's possible Roger Chang may jump in If he's able to get good bandwidth, uh, because he'll be in the midst of his travels So we might see him. We might not he'll be back on thursday for sure. See you tomorrow