 All right, let's call the meeting to your order village of Essex Junction On the agenda tonight we have Can I have anybody who? Plans on participating in the meeting tonight Sign in if you haven't done so already and Can I have the applicant and everyone who will be participating tonight? Presenting raise their right hand. I hereby swear or affirm that the evidence I give in the cause under consideration shall be the whole truth and nothing but the truth under the pains and palaties of All right Any additions? No, there were a few emails that can I saw that or if he knows You should have all got copies of them. Yep, so we'll take those into consideration Before we start Actually, I'll do that So first let's Ask anybody in the audience that wants to talk about anything that's not on the agenda Yes, sir Kind of general my name is Tom. I'm so Pleasant Street. I grew up in the sounds of Essex Junction, and I've lived here about 11 years I haven't been to a few a meeting in a while, but I Was coming when you were discussing the handy project a senior citizen project a senior Housing project and I was very interested in that. I'm interested in all of the housing, but I hope we can You know keep everything on a positive basis of trying to expand Housing and business in Essex Junction. I came from a little town in Virginia that the city council and the Planning Commission kind of dropped the ball at a time when things were pretty decent and then when things turned bad It turned out later to be the One of the top Towns in the in the country they use an oxycodon so everybody lost jobs all the housing on now I left a $200,000 house and had to sell it at a deep discount and finance it myself to get rid of And so I know I have seen this happen 75 years old I've seen this happen not not more than once so I'm hopeful that this commission will Take a positive look at new projects Sorry to say I failed to see that during the discussion of the other project, but you know You don't have an election to face as far as I know you're appointed So just just do what's what's right and I mentioned mr. Handel do appreciate that he brought in Appreciate that he's back with no project first of all but I appreciate that he brought in Dollar tree, you know, he took an empty building and the renovated it and fixed it up and Turned it into something that every time somebody walks out of there with a dollar. They've also paid a local tax Or a state tax and they also are employing people in honest Retail work. So, you know, I think I think anytime We can bring in new people and we can bring in new businesses. It's a huge economic driver and Final thing known on my mind was that we all need to be aware of unused Unutilized underutilized property in as extension so that we can plan for the future instead of trying to Save the past the past is not going to pay the bills in the future unless you own a museum or something, but Appreciate you letting me say that I had planned to say this earlier and missed your call for Comments and so thank you. Thank you for your comments and we're really glad you're here All right, anybody else with anything that's not on the agenda, okay? Let's move on to the minutes Regular meeting February 15th anybody have any changes or comments July 19th and I have February 15th and I All right now the exciting part So I can I can never remember what we do this one time in three years. Yeah, does that yeah So we do a chairperson vice-chair for you It's a once a year Seems like So we need a motion correct to elect Vice-chair I'll a chair first so staff should probably run your your election of the chair and then Whoever becomes chair then they take gotcha. Okay facilitate the rest gotcha All right So while we're gonna call for nominations for sure any nominations for chair of the sx-junction planning commission at this point in time Any other nominations here and now would you like to vote mm-hmm you still son Who would like to favor I I So do I hear any nominations for vice-chair Mr. Alden one for you Yeah, okay All right, any other nominations, okay all in favor All right done All right First before we get into the The final site plan review the full disclosure Myself and my company in the past have done business with handy hotel properties and There is a Chance that my company Not myself personally, but my company may do business with this new hotel once it's complete So if there's anybody on the commission that feels that I shouldn't be involved in the decision on this property Now's the time Okay, and you know just for everybody out there what you know we base our decisions on the code, right? Okay, so that being said Let's move on to the final site plan review for proposed mix use development To construct a restaurant and a four-story 100 unit hotel at 92 and 100 Pearl Street in the TOD desktop district Who will be presenting You have to use the screen selection. Have you done this before that Better As good as you're going to have I'm from Flameroom victim to an engineer. We have the engineers and surveyors of record for this project As you know their proposal is for a 100-unit four-story hotel In what is now an existing parking area In addition to 3,000 square foot take-out restaurant There's also a big parking lot There's an existing single-family dwelling back in where the rear left corner of the hotel will be that one will be removed and With the hotel so that project is limited by The design of the project is limited by high groundwater on the site I mean if you can't go down to the parking so our parking is We have 40 spaces In an enclosed garage on the ground floor with an entrance in the back Additional for Parking spaces here by the front door of the lobby of this gentleman back here mentioned This is this is the building that was the capital winter mercury Dollar tree Has been fully renovated We there are as one of your commission members Noted in her memo. There are some dumpsters back here Those will be relocated into a strange dumpster enclosure here a Dumpster for trash a dumpster for compost and a dumpster for recycling that will be for this building The restaurant has a similar setup right over here again Screen enclosure with compost trash recycling for the hotel Those dumpsters will be inside the parking garage We are Agreeable to a recommendation that the dumpsters be on wheels The village engineers express concern primarily with these dumpsters. How are they? How is that compact? We're going to get in here and pick them up I've talked to the folks at Kasella. They said that's not a problem They can pull a packer in here open the gates all the dumpsters to the truck all the dumpsters back and Back out and go as I say, it's a fairly tight site The layout works well the way it is shown right now There's an existing curve cut that's right here right now that will go away as part of this So this will be one way in This will be one way out with a right turn in the left turn lane here this parking lot These these spaces are diagonal face that way to encourage this to be one way and People won't try to come this way in the park This is an existing driveway They will actually that serves both this property and this property has Has an easement across to use that driveway that will be maintained Although it will be white. It's currently about 18 feet wide The code requires a 24 foot wide guide So we do that Stormwater system is fairly extensive stormwater treatment detention maintenance There'll be an infiltration trench that will be installed along the side of the Dollar Tree store With a new catch basin on each end and the roof drains will be tied into that Series of new catch basins in these parking spaces will go into a large holding tank with an overflow into Stormwater detention retention treatment pond as well as a dry swale Another dry swale infiltration basin here Overflow from this infiltration basin will be piped out into the municipal system This is actually is an existing sir This is an existing catch basin right back here that was put in when capital in merm Excuse me at the link at mercury on both of these properties. This was used as a display area So we put in we work with capital to install this base that's out based on the pipe Sanitary sewer will all go into the municipal system via an existing Service the water line is an existing prior to Pearl Street being rebuilt We got approval through the village to put in a new Water line. It's bigger. There used to be in a small service. We put in a large service to feed this whole development Make sure that our gate valves and hybrids and so on were outside of the Outside of the roadway that was being rebuilt. Those are the those are the highlights of the project Or I feel like I got the engineering review, but now I want the design review. Can you Remain to the TOD district Well, sure We start off with the fact that the TOD really wants to encourage people with bicycles or pedestrians To be able to access this site So there is the existing sidewalk By removing this curb cut you're eliminating some of these pedestrian conflicts with vehicles The bike lanes that are here that were Striped during this reconstruction are staying there Pedestrians will be able to walk from this sidewalk down between the buildings to access this parking lot also to get into the hotel and They will end up being some either one or two doors along this side of the restaurant as well as this side So all these two new buildings are will be completely pedestrian accessible We brought the buildings up as Required by the code said that the front of these exist at the new buildings or meet that 25 foot setback Traffic traffic flow through the site because of the one way this one way corridor in this and this one way out We believe we'll reduce traffic congestion both on the site and on the streets Is where's the nearest bus stop on the side of the street? On this side of the street. I honestly don't know the answer It's up by AT&T I'm on your We don't really care about all that stuff underground But right well The TOD district is a lot of pedestrian So the front the design of the front Interface between the buildings and that 20 25 feet and the sidewalk that's what it's all about. It's what's happening So I'm looking for the landscaping plan so you can highlight the key features This is the landscaping plan So we're looking at one two three four five new street trees Shake Right by these new rain gardens So that will help is by our screening. We've got all kinds of foundation plantings. I hope you don't even a reason Latin but foundation plantings just Grasses flowers around the rest of the green space a few more trees back here Just to screen this property from the dumpster location More trees over in this So there are trees in all of the landscape dylons here here here. These are two existing honey locusts that are staying And so it's it's it's not a grass surface of some kind of a planting So people don't go in there. There's no bench. There's no nothing to interact with there's no There's no people place there. It's all rain garden place. Well, these areas. This is a rain garden in here This is a rain garden in here. This is a paved Paver patio right here. So there could certainly be some some benches in there Kind of fun and hanging out in front of the hotel waiting for my dinner next door. I'm going to the bus Wait, someone's picking me up or whatever it is And On the driveway on the right That right there where your fingers that is there a curve between that driveway and and the new restaurant I can't quite tell on the drawing No, there's no need for a curve. There's no curve So I have my plantings and then right to the pavement But once I get out past the sidewalk is it curved as it drops through the street Is that this existing curve this side of the curve cup will be left alone? Because that's we can't understand can't come this way with this driveway. So when we widened it Yeah, the existing curving is right here. We're pulling it west roughly Yes If I happen to be walking to this restaurant where's my front door So in the in the area between where the pavers meet the building So just to the west of all that landscape and and there might be a Door in the back somewhere up on well There's a door shown here for for the staff to get out to the dumpsters The likely will be a door in here on this sidewalk so that somebody could go from the hotel lobby into the restaurant Yes Did I hear described as a fast food and takeout? So But no drive-through or anything no drive-through. No, we don't know at this point what the tenant will be Yeah, there is I will say there's a local Person who is involved in Providing food from a Card at the moment We would be interested in filling the space. I don't really care I need to know how my drivers are getting in and out and how they get to the food and how the walkers are getting in and out But then anybody walking down the sidewalk and come across these papers and walking the front door of the restaurant there the drivers any any Customers can come in they would they would not use this door They would walk around this concrete sidewalk and either go in that door or the door that would like to end up in this area And so the front door to the hotel is on the other parking sign. Yeah Door into the registration area is right there. So you've got parking these four parking spaces are dedicated to the hotel We're two accessible spaces and one standard space And then in the handicapped room between the two How is that a five-foot sidewalk there? Yes If I'm parking in the handicapped spot and I come up the ramp I got to go past the door and come back on it So it's a little dry that you may end up with a sliding door there I'm sure you have no idea what the doors are going to be like Where I understand there may be elevations available, but I'm struggling to figure out how to Understand all these relationships without the architecture of the building You would be struggling more And on the parking lot that's under the hotel, which is fine is It's not a drive through the park and go out somewhere else you come back out the same way You come in and then you go back out. I'm not seeing the normal sort of backup Space at the other end you know at the end that you kind of get in close to the wall there And you do you think that's gonna need something there or? We we left these spaces a little bit away from the wall But the fact of the matter is that a passenger car or a handicapped man if they're here can just back straight out So there's enough room that's why that I was 24 feet what like any parking lot and Again, I suppose we don't know what the sequence is coming in the parking door into the hotel Yeah, first woman's gonna park here I Don't want to usually when I go to a hotel. I don't always want to feel like I'm In the parking garage walking in the basement, you know, it's some kind of a more elaborate entrance there But there's no space given to it Building design of these here, but if those are full These are all parking spaces that are available for the hotel So if you didn't want to go into the parking garage, you can park in this space and One of the other things in the TOD and sorry if I'm monopolizing the space The one of the things that's encouraged in the TOD district is shared parking so it looks like you've got a nice arrangement between the dollar store and the hotel, but the The restaurants kind of off by itself is yeah Do you have anything shared between those two are they separate owners separate parcels? I see property lines on some plans and not on the others How close are they working together and why don't they? Why can't you drive through from one to the other looks like I'm the 11th car into the into the restaurant Where do I go? You're gonna have to go back out and come into these spaces Why there's just one I have to go back on the month of Pearl Street Why can't I drive through into the covered parking? There's no way to get there. There's no well not yet, but you guys are This building's here. We've got a 24-foot wide alley 18-foot parking spaces. So this building can't go that way No, no, but the parking I Understand yeah from a very perspective John. We wouldn't want that when it comes to cut through We're trying to cut down a cut through. You also try to encourage sharing parking. So right Because they can get to the other parking without doing So you're going to them parking on the other side and walking through the hotel lobby to get the restaurant. Is that what you're saying? If there's oh, if there's that or I run to the street on this on this sidewalk If would all be Accessible It's just a curb under there anywhere with parking. It's all wide open. It's a curb, right? There's they're gonna be a wall. The parking is there's gonna be walls and big windows Well, there won't be any walls within this area Just curves and that's it Close all of the rest of them great. I Guess my feeling is that We've got some other Very popular restaurants in town that are crying because they don't have enough parking And it seems to be a shame that have parking, but you can't get there From here, you know that restaurant gets popular They're gonna be more than a few people popping in and out of there You might leave more spaces and if you could drive through I Would think that would be Especially when the TOD appears to encourage We try to learn right so Not have enough parking Well, let's focus on the application that we're talking about right now We're gonna we're gonna talk we can discuss those things outside of this application, but right now Let's just focus on this Sorry John. There's There's another thing in the TOD description that appears to promote wide sidewalks or they talking about Pearl Street wide sidewalks It also has a caveat based on the size of the lock that's being developed This one's smaller than then then what would rise to that standard and that's fine I'm just I'm I wanted some direction does does the idea that we're trying to promote pedestrian activity and wider sidewalks mean that the engagement of Pearl Street is where that should happen or is that based on Developing the rest of the site and if it's big enough you should put in wires Well, if it's big enough, which this one isn't it's encouraging wider sidewalks, but it's really talking about So when I have all this neat stuff going on across the street at the fairgrounds and now I get on this little I Call it a little five foot sidewalk on the other side, but I'm adding Cool stuff to do on this side. Maybe I want a bigger sidewalk over there Maybe projects that come in that are suggesting that they're going to add Interesting things to this side. We want to make that side walk white If we decide we think that ought to be wider because we're Encouraging pedestrian activity with this project and we should be doing How wide is the sidewalk in between the two buildings again? It's about 11 feet. That's pretty good Yeah, so this is about 11 feet wide rock numbers This patio area here. This is 30 feet this way and I'm gonna see 25 feet this way But there's concrete here So the sidewalk actually right in this area Will end up being neat people Yeah, I wanted to ask you about that because outside the property line between the property on let's say and the Current five foot sidewalk. It just looks white. Yes. Is that not a sidewalk? That's new country concrete. Yes, awesome Well, they see there's the answer Dollars the dollar store that's still there. They're basically sharing parking if need be happens Automatically, I mean, you don't have to get special permission just parking it where they want in there One property This guy can park over here if he wants Yeah, okay And it John the answer your congress for your question about the property line This and this were purchased under two deeds. That's why this deed this property line is still here It just hasn't been technically well my direction on that was If if it's really intends to operate collectively then I don't see why we wouldn't want to continue to share amenities like parking and If I'm the guy that has to drive into that Restaurant and I don't get a parking spot and I have to go back out again. I'm probably not staying I'm going somewhere on the upset, right? So you guys can fix that if you just put a little hole in Between the parking lot in the building and let them drive through You lose three spaces Gain so much connection In the middle of the parking behind the restaurant street underneath the Yeah, right and then into the parking it back up so be like an S There you go My comment on that kind of an idea is that I've been in enough big cities where that happens where I've seen this kind of thing before and If you want to avoid Confrontations between pedestrians and have it be a lot more friendly You don't want people cut through there because people do it and they will do it over and over Except to me it becomes a safety issue. Yeah And I know there's a few other locations where that does happen and cars go too fast and so you might want to Design the hotel building to allow the possibility and then Manage it or not like do it or not do it, but don't make your architecture prevent it Right away. You can all put something in there a barrier or a curve or whatever. Absolutely. Yeah It's a good idea Anybody else questions? Did the applicant have somebody else that was Going to present or? No, I mean I said a few things Good Yeah, this site in general is what we refer to as non-conforming at the moment This new building who knows what's going to happen with the dollar store is in the future It the whole site still does not have to 75% frontiers that we require This design gives it a street presence that doesn't have a minute It increases dramatically Street frontage for the building And it really has made an effort to prioritize pedestrians Reduce curb cuts to minimize the potential for conflict and the last time there's an application into this site I was surprised to find out when I read my staff report that it said that the ideal Solution for this site would be a small hotel Given this location close to the champagne Valley Exposition My first year here. We had somebody come in looking for a hotel in the Valley Center District That's not a good solution Having a night there Close to the fur and events that are happening for I Think it's a symbiotic relationship. That's really gonna work and we should have people stay in here who are going to the fur So if you're buying a local grocery store and they're going to local restaurants They're not going back to hotel in another municipality where they spend the money So basically I'm what I'm what you're saying is we're reducing the existing lot coverage with a smaller footprint more of a More friendly to the environment and we're gonna that's why we're decreasing that We're reducing storm water runoff We're increasing green space Providing a solution the village is hoping to get it only took us seven years Do we do we have any more information on the building Here Did you put in the password I Turned out some drums that were available from me The video that that we were sent to leave to them Everybody saw these or if you haven't seen them it was generally You know, this was just the ice I stopped the video and did a screen capture. That's that's all this is But it sounds like the entrance on this one is gonna be in this front part and there's not so I how does that connect with Extended state there's the hotel entrance here that looks like they're supposed to be on this front side here How does that how does that all connect together? So this this is all lobby on the ground floor, this is all lobby and office manager Whatever whatever Would be to have Well, the the TOD is a fairly I mean it's a very interesting zoning district and it has some peculiarities and mentions You know most of the stuff is about the site plan, but there is a little bit about the building and I think that's we're all struggling with you know the amount of glass on the street facade and the You know, there's some factors about how much of the building is you know, how much of the lot frontage is covered by building and You know, we have some flexibility with those things but not being able to really see how this all works It's it's little tricky to I think it's nice to have confirmation that the Streetside elevation of the building will meet completely the requirements of the TOD district in Terms of the heights of windows the size of windows the ships of windows the type of window All of those things that are specified in TOD district. Yeah, because it's about again. It's about engaging the pedestrian. So We got to make sure that we do that and we kind of like to see that Building height is Four stories are 58 feet Do we you know a story of parking we've got and we've got to wait for Just for more information, but we know how all the building is Yeah It's in here since somewhere in here In there that I think it was it it meets the standards of the district I really I have to say I'm Extremely encouraged that you could fit something in here and make it Work, it's it's I agree that it's taking a Unconforming site and making it a lot better. So the maximum building height for the TOD is six stories My Sys on the village website Which which I don't think it matters. It's a four-story building. It is a four-story bus. So it meets the standards but the building height that I'm saying Here December 2016 Yeah But either way I think it's most likely that the staffers So I Want to make it clear in the TOD At this that design review is not part of the decision. We're really just looking at dimensional standards There's a couple things Working on those yeah, does everybody understand that okay, all right, so Because we haven't really had a project in the TOD district Correct that met any of this thing correct for I thought it would be helpful to just read through some of these because I think they actually do a really good job so This is the specific objectives of the TOD district, which is really what we should be looking for here To create an environment that's conducive to using public transit walking and riding a bike So that's why I'm asking about where the bus stop is because Understand right and was there a bike? Yes Accommodate a mixed use of form mixed of uses in a form that attracts pedestrians, so That's That's pretty attractive. I'm gonna say it's it's interesting. It is interesting and when you put it next to the dollar store Right, it'll work great It's just an example Integrated commercial institutional and residential development into a compact development pattern to that fine we've often seen hotel usage and Residential used to be interchangeable. I'm not sure it actually says that here, but that's pretty common It provides pedestrian amenities to open an open space to create a comfortable and attractive environment So that's why I'm asking about the front piece because that's your shop. That's where it's gonna happen Now as you go on down the side of the hotel You may want to do a little bit more there than just the five foot sidewalk if you can I think that one Parking space or the tree jump maybe do right Depending on how attractive your hotel is and what's going on down that side That's a giant face of a building and a lot of parking area and there Couldn't be some opportunities to enhance that. I Hope that you don't lose parking spaces doing it somehow, but trust me. That's a long facade And there's a much shorter facade very close to that that doesn't do much on the side It's not very Unfortunate All right, and the rest of them are well it calls out for first-floor retail, which I don't know how we kill I rock it. I mean that's that's first floor. I would have said commercial like something that's In you know the public can walk into an Interface with I think I mean I think it is a mixture solution. So the entire Mixed Are there any improvements Scheduled for the Dollar Tree side of things in this proposal. Well, I mean right now except for the dumpster Parking gets the other all so right now. These are all substandard parking spaces right now How about along that Pearl Street as we're doing any beautification there or anything happening out there? Well We are leaving these trees We're doing some new plantings here Actually This part of this landscape Here When we're all done we have three Yes So I guess what John is trying to ask I think is Are we going to bring the sort of the connectivity of the whole piece of property together with some sort of common Landscape and that's going to make it just overall and a place you want to be you know what I mean? Yep, I mean we We have to a certain extent Attempted that because the planting schedules for this area and this area and this area are the same And that that continues down the side of here This area and all of these Are we looking at some more information or we still on hold looking at looking for it We're trying to get we've got it on a laptop here While we're while we're waiting for some more information what I think I'll do is If anybody in the audience would like to ask questions of the applicant, please make sure that you direct your comments to the chair and And Yes, sir How many hundreds of people Pedestrians do we have in that area? Excluding fair time Hi, I couldn't even begin to tell you that to answer that question I mean I drive through the junction quite often and I see pedestrian traffic there pretty much constantly all day long Usually see one or two or three kids walking up and down So one of the things that we're trying to do with the TOD is we're trying to encourage more of that Doing by putting those buildings there in the type of businesses that are going to be in there If you leave it the way it is now with an empty parking lot There's no pedestrian traffic It's not empty they've got a barbecue place there By the way Have a license Okay, I guess I'm a little confused my name's Danny Hinker I live on the property to the east of this this project You're going to widen the driveway to the west yes What's going to be stopping people from driving in that driveway going behind the restaurant if I was going to go to the Restaurant and I drove into the driveway then you're going to widen what's stopping me from parking out back of the restaurant Right right in there what's stopping me from driving in there So if people are going to park there For the restaurant, so that's going to increase traffic there I'm going down that driveway that goes out to the apartment house out back Okay Now I heard you say the building going to be six feet six stories. No The question was what is allowed in the TOD for six stories is allowed so it's going to be well We're not clear on that we're going to get that clarified, but the building is four stories. Okay, so now Not this one, right not the restaurant Yes, I know but that's not far from the other one. So now my mother lives in 90 Pearl Street I live next door in 88. I look out my mother's porch now and I see the parking lot the barbecue truck and the dollar store and Over that I can see that the nice Sky and at night the sun sets So now we're going to put a four-story building there. What am I going to be looking at? Now who am I supposed to address that to you? Okay, I mean the hotel will be there, right now Does the board take into consideration the quality of life? My mother's been here since 1955 as a taxpayer and It it's grown around us That there were houses down that street. Oh, I remember one as a kid There were houses all the way down the street first place to go in there was McDonald's They were houses up the street to where big lots entrance is where Roscoe Court was it's got done away with that was all residential and throughout time It's gotten changed to commercial then residential commercial and now this to be I'm just wondering what Thought went into that to these names because we're like there's only three houses up there My mother's mine and there's one beside, you know, there's one further up 86 pros that yellow one there that was a hairdresser's, but I just don't understand how they can all of a sudden Put a building in there and we look out the door and we won't get the Sun now We're going to be looking at the side of a commercial building I Guess we've got to suck that up, but I'm just saying I hope you guys take into consideration our quality of life now Where these dumpsters are on the other side of that road? That's where our picnic table is and our barbecue. Is there any sort of screening or fencing between that road and the building that's going to be there down Okay, you're gonna You're gonna like this out. Is there any kind of fencing down through here? There's no fencing. So we're gonna be looking out at the side of a restaurant And then when the garbage trucks come We're going to be hearing all that noise and the banging and playing because we do now when well We did this winter when Bouchard Pierce had their dumpster there and their trucks were there They come over and unload it six o'clock in the morning. Hey, boo, buddy You know throwing appliances in there and it wakes you up. Okay 430, whatever. I know it's around My niece works third shift at the hospital and her bedroom window is right there. I mean Right by the road and all this noise and confusion Even today with just the bar to play sir. They come over there early in the morning with the bread trucks and Sick the sink old truck comes over with the food. Sure. I there's a lot of confusion and this is going to create more noise pollution We do understand it's if you know, we face these challenging decisions every almost every time we have a project especially where Residential areas pop up against the commercial areas that happened recently and we do try to Take into consideration everybody who is okay situation Now is there going to be a 3d rendering of this so we can get as a scale as this Motel is going to be here and my mother's house going to be here like they did for like well They requested for the last property. He did up here. Is that that meeting? Because this one was supposed to be second and they got cancelled that's the only reason I was here for that one There are a couple of differences with this application We are working on trying to have some visual representation tonight, but in the in Most times in it in it when we ask for those kinds of elevations. We're looking for Things that we can use to make a decision on design review and in this situation That's not part of what we're doing actually. Okay, so I guess I'm Tell me if I you just said that now what about the elevation of land is the elevation of that land staying the same Or are they raising it so that the water all now will be really fun It didn't stay the same it is so the elevation now who checks that That is all the engineer checks that it's a state rule that you guys Increase runoff from your property through development. Yeah, okay, so they do go down and check that absolutely because I've runoff increases we will then go in and if it can be shown with the runoff as a result of the It's always in the decision. It's meaningful. Okay Good now because I was wondering who checked it because back when they did kinnies and we came to these meetings three or Four times myself and my mother They were supposed to stay the same elevation as what the land was before they started When they got the project almost done out behind my garage the elevation of the land is from three feet higher So all the way down to the end of my property where there's a ditch for the railroad tracks before feet higher So they raised that elevation there and when we were at the meeting for that one, which is back They said no, we're not raising the elevation of land So I called the village manager when I see that they had 75 truckloads of sand in there and I asked him and he said well somebody will come down and check it and Nothing was ever done. And to this day that land whoever provided them with the occupancy permit Their elevation in that building is three to four feet higher than my land. So what it naturally does is water Well, the storm order requirements have changed substantially since that was developed It's a big ticket and none in the state Not putting water Trying to play up their champagne streams rivers everywhere So they really look more closely at that than they did probably So we do appreciate your comments That's that will be taken into consideration In the essence of time I'd like to try to get to some other folks that okay, yeah, sure But thank you very much. It's just one more quick thing. He was saying that there's a natural Infiltration for the water. So when that fills up it's goes over into the storm sewer system So I don't know if there's a system now that connects to the storm system or not But just the drain just the drain that's in the parking lot Because they have water problems out there There's a pond here, or there will be So both of those will infiltrate and This one will overflow into a catch basin a new catch basin that will be right there We'll get piped out to the street via the existing will we'll connect into the part to Steve put it It might actually improve From where on your culture property once this is It might very well reduce What's the weight of that storm drain right there on the corner? You're just talking about okay the height of that storm drain on the back of that restaurant is that I mean? Obviously, it's got to be higher than what's in the streets a lot of them go towards the street Yes, so how high is that or in relation to the existing ground? How high is that the grade here the grant existing ground and proposed ground of the same are they gonna be the same? Yes Yeah, it's a matter of it's a matter of doing the grading on the rest of the site to get it to run and we're talking very subtle differences This parking lot from this side to this side I think it's less than a half a foot and so the water will hit here. It'll come this way or going to this swale Feed into the infiltration basin Okay, let's move on to the next question. Yes, I really would like to move on to some other folks I apologize. We're just you know, I'm trying to get to everybody tonight. I Apologize I was here for the last fight just want to let you know that Taking all the time we took exactly what happened my mother passed away because she felt I couldn't get to her Just don't put that out there. Okay, but this new project coming along There's a hundred events at least every year on the fairground all those people go down to Burlington to get hotels food waterfront We're starving our own restaurants We're starving our shopping Nobody wants to come in to retail spaces because there's nowhere to stay so we're gonna drive this extension a shop one shot The quilt event alone anywhere from 5,000 to 20,000 people come into that the fair brings a hundred and twenty thousand and not all of them Obviously staying hotels, but there are people elderly people Many people coming into town to see the events. They have nowhere to stay Again, they're driving long distance having over to say I feel since I New Steve's Lincoln place for a long time looking at a whole bunch of cars and they're all run-down buildings Versus wow, we got a place to stay we can shop we can grow revenue for our town Is a fantastic thing and I know the fairground wants it. I Want people to start shopping this time it brings your house values up? I'm sorry. Did you tell us her name? Yeah, so I mean I really researched this and it's something that this town really needs It's something that Will bring revenue to everybody here It'll bring more events to our town because they'll have places to stay because the quilt festival alone used to be in Norwich use live in Northfield. They ran out of room. They were bringing 8,000 people had nowhere to learn so they left So we don't want to lose those events neither Thank you for your comments. Thank you. Yes, sir Edmont sinus again, excuse us Just how much tax revenue is a five million dollar building going to bring into this village? I couldn't I couldn't tell you and I wouldn't comment on it at in this format anyway Just because we're talking about an application I know we're talking about but I'm also thinking the other side of that is that if we put up buildings It produces revenue for the for the village I don't know what the tax rate is on commercial does got to be a hell of a lot of money We don't have now That's not kind of the restaurant Yes, right Summer time will be fall from May through October Then you got the off season would be we keep our employees, but they reduce their hours probably in a 30-hour range Thank you. Okay next question. Yes, sir Resident housing on that side There's not a lot of space We can't do anything to the south or southwest of that but along there We're we plan on doing some shrugs a couple of trees another little bed along here Probably can put something in the strip between the parking lot and the right-of-way Nothing's proposed right now Because knowing that on your side of the tracks there On the south-west side of the tracks there there's a pretty good tree line out there So we didn't worry we thought that that was a substantial buffer and would hide this from I think there's a couple of mature trees and some other small I'm just curious if it's another space from the railroad over there that right possibility that we're all sitting down on some stuff I can honestly say that that When capital that can mercury on this property. They actually had a legal lease From the railroad to store cars here But that was that did not Transfer to the current owner So would that not be in use for parking anymore? It won't take long for that to grow back up We can't plant anything So dog on your cheat to show that area Pretty well and it's a potential area So you're just you're just going to essentially a day the current property on The nation which is what it's got to be 25 feet 30 feet worth of Character there, right? Yeah, I can't touch it and they won't let you replant it for them. You can't Nothing at all. That's just are they gonna do anything to it, or is it just I doubt it goes Let it they'll let you see. Yeah, isn't it? No, this is grab There's payment Parkway down, but this is this is gravel Stone underneath there, that's what blocked the culvert off by the water all back to my race Anybody else have another question? I Think I'm blocked here, but Chambley Valley Exposition and Just support the project here. I think we did a little comment and earlier You know number of the events that we bring in We do see them go to other surrounding communities for for lodging and meals and at commerce center encouraged by this project Yes, can you walk us through the parking what's proposed For sure and for the hotel specifically because I think we've talked a lot about the restaurant So the hotel As the table says the hotel requires a hundred spaces, okay, so they're 40 that are within the building itself and There are 10 there they're 10 there sorry 11 there So these are obviously reserved for the hotel as are these four and So it's 44, which means the other 56 that are required can be Anywhere in there they're allowed to use any of these spaces. So you've got ten eleven ten They're there are hundred and six spaces on the project 105 are required 106 and that is that's not including the Ten for them. No, that's that is included on the entire Parcel And and just for clarification that the reason that we Would that the applicant went with the design For shared parking was the limitations due to the water table for underground, right? We cannot go down Okay, we can't do it a story below ground. Gotcha, right? Has there been any conversation? Gabe and I don't know maybe Can speak to this issue but in regards to our district requires the one for one You know one one space per one room any thoughts as to Historically with other Hotels this chain particularly, you know, do they see that they is that what they're typically building? Do they see that there was a full any kind of history that we might have on that? I Could only refer to the hotel that already owned Basically, this usually one parking space for room and we allow 78 parking spaces for the employees. Yeah And do you see him felt like do you see that? Not enough is that too much? Yeah Rarely anything overflows to other most people would come Before in the car. Yeah, when they get there, they will take two rooms because they were they don't want to share So they only brought in one car. So it's always spaces available Not abundant of them. Yeah, but it's never gonna be any cars worried that you're gonna have to go park somewhere I would never have that shortage I'll just say that in a number of other Zoning districts or cities or municipalities the Lodging parking requirement is 0.75 per room. So they're not asking you for a one-to-one You know, it's a how often are you full, right? You want to be full all the time, but we know it doesn't so The requirements are a little more lenient than some other I think We're in a standard parking space And But we do have quite a bit of shared opportunity, which is good and sometimes What what are the hours of operation for the dollar store today? Close early enough to allow the hotel patrons to come in and park is that they shut down? I think I believe nine o'clock They shut down and they opened around 10 And and just on your Observation of activity there now or are you finding that? I mean you're not gonna have the place jammed between You know seven and nine for example, it's probably not that busy I don't I'm asking for a you know like the idea where the shared parking is that The parking is there and the uses Overlaps such that you don't need a hundred percent of both sides. That's the idea Where I think what we're doing is we're looking for a way to make sure the parking is Confirmation and and I'm hearing a lot of things that suggest that it is and you know Nobody wants more parking than anybody needs So that's that's where we're headed Lot of salesman's they up and down by 637 they hit the road Yeah, I mean that's what I see right now about that We were fall by five driving the hotel I've only seen 50 or 60 cars that I was question the girl where we fall last day Yeah, but it's only 50 cars up there because they left early already gone So it looks like we're making a little progress on some visual aids here Awesome, so we're talking just mentioned spark cars. They're the charging station in there somewhere There will be I you think there could be I thought that was kind of a standard thing for the state now Yeah Does the state make you do that? Yeah, I don't see a charging station in here Certainly I knew room to put one or two or three. Whatever. Yeah, I think they were in the industry Yeah, they will All right, so Are you ready I Tells This is the prototypical elevations, so just to be clear, we're looking at a typical example of what these hotels look like, but the entry would be on one end. This isn't site specific. But the roof line and the architecture, that's sort of representative of what it's going to look like. And again, these are the architectural details that the town requires, so those can be modified in order to comply with any sort of town regulations. Well, you're going to really have to modify a lot of this one because the whole first floor is parking except for the front. So I know it'll happen, it'll come out great, we just want to see it. So the whole first floor is going to be open with pillars every ten feet probably? No, that one end with the entrance will not be coming that way. I'll get a morph up to the front somewhere. I think it's really neat that you can put an extended stay in a hotel together in the same building. The video presentation was great. Did you see that? I heard that as well. I was at a hotel outside of somewhere and I think it was a Hampton Inn actually. I don't want to tell you where it was, it was too much fun. But it was great and it looked a lot like this one inside. And it's two years old, brand new. So you're right on top of the design on the interior but we aren't really... We don't have a purview to look at the inside, we only need to see the outside. So I think... You heard of the Oxford Casino, weren't you? No, it was in England. And again, Oxford Casino is very flexible as far as working with the town, with architects, with planners to make sure that our buildings and our designs are something that the town is happy about. So I guess I want to understand what the process is for us to continue to have input on the hotel design because I think it does matter to this street frontage and to this COD district and pedestrian interaction and we're just curious and interested. But I'm sure it can be worked out. I don't know who gets the front, you know, the mainstay or sleep in gets the front. I think the good news is that as you drive down the street and you're exposed to that western side, you will see both of them. So it won't really be an issue. The building, the functional parts of the building that we care about, the front doors, the entries, the parking piece are not represented in these drawings, so we can't really... The face of the facade facing the street outside. What about John, if... Labor is fine, but the details are really critical to the district. What if in the decision, if you get to one, that you and I were to meet with the applicant in the hotel reps to review and give final approval of the pro-street frontage? I think that's right. Well, be me and John. I don't think that necessarily... I don't know how comfortable we are with that but we're all... I'll speak for myself. I'm comfortable with the proposal but I got to see the completed building. Well, there isn't design review for this district but there is control over what the street salad elevation should look like. So you're asking for more than the code permits. I'm asking for everything I want to ask for. I think my biggest concern is yours too. I want to make sure that the street elevation, which is the end of the building technically, has street frontage visibility. It has windows. Like maybe the breakfast room goes there. That it meets the code. That it meets the code. That's the big challenge and we don't see that right now. That's what we can ask for. What colors do? We can't. We have no designer. We don't have a designer. That's not part of it. We're not diving to that level but we are interested in how it interacts with our village streetscape and that's really important. And I think if... Which is back to the code and the front elevation. Correct. So I think Robin's proposal has merit if we can get there but other than meeting the standards of the code and having staff make sure that the code is met. I'd like to have John do it too. I'm not opposed to that. I don't want to create the planning commission member outside of a planning commission meeting approving. It's not approving. Right. It would be. It would be essentially. He's saying whether it complies or doesn't complies. Right? He's trying to confirm in that it meets our expectations but he doesn't. Ultimately he really doesn't have control over the decision. That's what I'm understanding right now. He's going to be there. He's already dated and then he would just be looking at what it looks like. Yes. Yeah. Because that seems to be the one stumbling block. I don't know that we're slowing down at all. We make a comeback to the whole board just for the building. Everything else is fine. Comments, whatever. And they just have to come back when the building is detailed. I don't think it's slowing down. Well, I don't think they want to move forward unless they have a firm commitment of a yes. So are you saying. I'm saying we're approving it pending. Pending approval of the elevation. Street elevation. Yeah. Okay. Sounds good. Sounds good. Do you approve? We want to ask them about those other parking spaces. We're kind of unhappy with the parking spaces that are right in front of the dollar store because they don't comply with the district. And this is our shot at changing that. Changing it up. So what exactly is the question? I guess have you considered, have you considered removal of those? I mean, I know this isn't really. Removal of the parking space in front of the store. Directly in front of the dollar store. I have to say I can't do that. I'll be honest. None of the dollar store is there. Yeah. I can't take those spaces away because those are the handicaps parking are for that store. And that was part of them asking me to put them there when I signed on into the lease. So it's essentially part of the project. If they continue, they have five-year lease. Yeah. They've been on, I think, on the first year. Yeah. Okay. They have four more. So if they decide to continue, then they'll stay. If they decide to leave, then the whole area is going to change again by the roving that building and doing something else. All right. So maybe we can condition it to say that those, that area needs to be pushed towards compliance as things develop. Yeah. You know, like that at a future application time? Well, no, because, I mean, you have the opportunity at the end of the four, in the end of four years, so at the end of your five-year lease, you would have the opportunity, if they decide to continue to stay there, can you amend your lease, I guess, to remove those faces? Oh. Or you don't? Yeah. It's kind of, when I end up in a lawsuit with them, they have a lot more money than we do here in the spaces. Because they don't comply with the different requirements. And I mean, the chance we get to make improvements to the non-compliance and to reduce the amount of non-compliance is usually doing it. If the dollar store decided not to renew their lease, is that a condition? Is that a change of use? Does he have to come back for a new business to go in there? This change of use can be done. No, because they changed the use and he didn't have to come back to us. Yeah. I feel like we're conditioning those. From the dollar store, or from the dealership to the dollar store. So unless he's making changes to the physical property, it doesn't apply. Right. Because he was going to be a, what was that? Recycles. Yeah, recycle north or not, but that type of thing. Well, we did like that. We did like it, so we changed it something else. We didn't change the bill. I think it's, you know, the best we can do at this point is put in there that it's highly recommended that this changes at the next opportunity. Because the only way that that's going to come in front of us is if there's a change on the property. But we can't make it a condition. Not in this application, right? We can do anything. In this application. If you want to put something in there, then that's the best we can do. I don't know that it's reasonable. I think we're trying to work with them to say we would like to see it go that way. Yeah, I don't want to get them in a loss. We don't know what the mechanism is. Yeah. That's, you know, we're encouraging. Yes. I have a question with regard to national statistics and regional statistics as it relates to full occupancy for a hotel or a hotel. And most hotel people in Gabe can correct me if I'm wrong. If they can achieve 70% occupancy, they consider themselves full. So when you look at that, that's not to say that every room is full. And if every room is not full, then I think with your one-on-one with parking is very conservative and adequate. So from that perspective, which is the real life, real estate perspective of occupancy, my comment would be I think you're fine. Thank you. No, we're in agreement. We think that parking is appropriate. The question is with the current parking at the dollar store, it's not compliant. It's just not compliant with the code. So we're looking to change that. You're right about 70%. Currently, it's about 65% movement. Yes. Are there any other questions for the applicant? Any other comments from the public? That's a really good question. Yeah. I'm going to. I think it's a good one, though. I know that they have to come back to the street or something. You all set? I just want to make a motion to close the public form. A motion to close the public form. I hear a second. All in favor? All right. Okay. All right. Thank you. Do you want to come in here for a look at it? We have. We have. That was better than the table. How about these? Will you email them or put them on the desk? Well, it's just a representative of what could be. We printed out some color pictures. Yeah, I got. We have one here. Yes. I have one. So what do you think? It's awesome. I mean, we've been asking for a hotel for a year. So the fact that it goes into a slot that is almost made for it is great. I just want to work out that our job is to have the best possible development for any given person. So all of the things that we envision might be able to happen along Pearl Street and the other pedestrian connections and bike connections and transportation aspects of this TOD district. We should be pushing them until it hurts to get all of the stuff done. And I think they've gotten most of the way there. I'm glad to hear Doug's clarifications to what's going on out front because I think that really helps. The landscaping piece was helpful. I just, the restaurant part, I'm, you know, what is that? So that's probably only like a one, that's a one story building probably 3,000 square feet. Does that have to be taller than that? Does that individual piece have to be mixed use by itself or can the whole parcel has to do with it? The whole parcel has to do with it. Because if we get another, like you get Dunkin' Donuts and you get the one next to it that doesn't quite have the finesse that I'm hoping this one would have next to the more extravagant hotel, right? And I'm going to put a hotel there. If it looks anything like these, it's going to be the best looking building on the street, right? So the restaurant piece is important. It doesn't want to be underdesigned. That's a good question actually. Is the restaurant going to be designed to match the hotel? It could be. We don't have any requirements as far as restaurants. It's a limited service hotel. So unless it's directly inside of the building, we wouldn't have any say on that. Doug, can you elaborate? Yeah, I mean definitely the restaurant would have to be known as it is part of the hotel. Okay. So yes. You're going to make it seem sort of like colors and design. Yes. But it depends on the lease, the leasee, what they want. You might build a building for what they want. Is it just going to match this building that's in the store? Actually, I am building the restaurant and I would be just looking for ten at the leasee. So I'm in control of what's happening. That's good to know. So there will be some that will be sold? I think the parking along the west side of the hotel is kind of right up against the hotel. I'd love to see a little more space there, but I don't need to tell it at all. I can't do it. No, it's great. I think it drives you on this building. It's a great idea. People are going to go in there and it's just going to be all frustrated trying to get in and out of there and do the same. Yeah, for me, the weakest part of the building is the restaurant parking. It depends on the box. It depends on what it is. If it's another dump, what if it's Starbox? If it's fast food. It depends if it's a really high volume in and out grab and go park. Nobody's gonna say. If it's pizza or something where you're there for a longer period of time, 10 cars. Are you referring to the cut-through idea? I'm just looking at the parking for the restaurant. If you're only goal there is a drove to the restaurant, what's the individual parking requirement for that restaurant in the chart? In the TOD, it doesn't really call out restaurant. I don't think it does. It says other as determined by the planning commission. For me, that's the weakest part. If there's a way to additionally share parking and even if they don't use it, the thing is if it doesn't get used in that parking area is overcrowded all the time, the restaurant will have a problem. Which means the manager of the restaurant will have a problem, which means they're gonna want to open up the pass-through that lets them relieve that pressure. In which case, as long as the hotel architecture allows for it, we'll leave it up to them to deal with. You're suggesting that they decided in the option. Design the option and use it if you need it. I think that's fair. Pretty smart. So that's one of the conditions we're putting in? So section 703 says one per 100 square feet of customer service area. So 3,000 square feet of restaurant is probably 1,500 to 2,000 square feet of customer area. They need 20 spaces. That's what the code says. So you don't quite have them, but if you're shared, you can find some more. So either your restaurant's not very busy and you're fine, or your restaurant's busy and you're not fine. Well, if your restaurant's busy, it'd be probably the hotel over there. So if I'm staying in the restaurant, I'm staying in the hotel. It's a beautiful hotel door. I won't go to a restaurant. That's another question. Anyway, that's fair. I'd love to hear from some of the rest of you guys. What are the stipulations? Besides the product idea, how do you handle landscaping? We need a waiver for that. We do have to get more waiver for the frontage, which I'm fine with. It's 28 feet. I'm fine with the waiver. I'm pleased that we're... It's a vast improvement to the front of that streetscape along that length. We can fix the dock or maybe even one step further. But given the other constraints, we are given the ability to waive it. I think that's fine. I'm really happy with the widening of the sidewalks and the interface at the full street zone. I think they've earned the waiver. Do we need a separate motion for that, or do we just approve it acknowledging the waiver? Yes. We can approve it. What other conditions are there? We need to condition the building design, specifically the Pearl Street facade. That's a condition. Do we bring that back to us for final approval of the confirmation that meets the code? Yes. The line where the anchored property is can we suggest a fence there? At least the anchors don't see cars one and out through there. Blocking that view from their backyard into that restaurant. There's not enough room to put fence in there, but then they put a fence there. Is that a separate... We've gone through this before when we've had commercial against the residential, although... Yeah, is the whole district TOD, is that apartment building in 92A? Is that in the TOD? Yes. So you're not really separating districts. You're putting the fence up within a district. Which we've done before. It feels like... I'm not sure it's a six-foot fence. No, I'm not... I'm just wondering if we're obligated to require something there, or if we would have drained and swelled, dried, drained and swelled, so there's not much space there. I will say, I did talk to Doug about the assisting hatch that's been removed. I wonder, could it be taken out of the way, stored and replaced? He said he would ask the stormwater people to see if that's possible. Put it back. Even it was just across the southern side of the property line, which is behind the parking for the restaurant. If that could be taken away, stored on site, and replanted just along that side, up the hotel side to the southern side, that would be the face of the building looking towards the development, the mother-family building looking towards it. I like the idea that we're trying to do some screening there. Screening the parking lot from an existing residential... Yes. You know, it's actually possible they could probably do the work and not touch them. Our review is very short. We're at Spam. So it's possible. We're seeing a little bit of screening back there. They've retained it, if that's possible. I think we're starting on the screen from the back side. Right on this line right here. Like a vinyl stockade or something. Make this free down through there. We may not be able to put a fence, but we're going to be able to put... Show them some frames. The condition would be additional landscaping or retaining system. Retaining system would provide additional. Yeah. Between the restaurant parking lot and the 90 to 80 pro apartments. Yeah, I think that's a good idea. I think that's that. Yeah, that's that. Staff and chair. No, I'm about... There's one to put a fence right through there. The other place that might be... They might want to do something there is... Okay, so you're driving around through the parking at the southern end. You're about to go into the building for about 45 degrees with a sheet. The headlights are going to go right into the apartment building. Before you get... Once you're in the garage, you're probably okay. I don't know what they're going to be doing. There are a few parking spaces where if you're pulling into the parking space your headlights might be bothering. I don't know what the... It's not going to look like that. It's going to have to be somewhat 50% open or something for the parking lot. So those... The sides of the buildings are blocking headlights going out. Which could have an impact on the apartment building. Right. So we can do something to provide additional screenings for headlights reaching the apartment building. I think that would be a good thing. And maybe if they can retain or replace this existing intro here that would help as well. There's quite a substantial... Yeah. There's quite a substantial... It's right here and then here. Yeah. That's the scale. You need it like... Right. Right. So we'd be from the sub-side of the hotel rectangle and probably... You know, whatever... You know, a little bit around there. Yep. That works. All right, so... some headlights, readings, vegetations at the south corner of the hotel. Right. Yep. Okay, anything else? So there's something like any change of use tonight at 800 applicants showing you the parking space is located in front of the building prior to any administrative permit being issued by the village? Is that... That would make a great patty. Yep. Any change of use to 98-100 That's 100, Pearl Street. 98... Yeah. Applicants shall remove the parking spaces located in the front of the building prior to any administrative permit being issued by the village. Okay, did we get everything? Okay. Okay. What kind of storage is it? It's coming out for a second. Dollar store changes. Change of use. Change of use. Good point. That's a change of use. That's a change of use. The dollar store moves out and we don't... The guy that does that is moving to Southern Vermont so we won't be getting up there anymore. Alright, anything else? Robin? No. Did we get into one of our review of the... The building? The Pearl Street. Not the building, the Pearl Street Elevation. What do we have for conditions? Let's see. Aside from the ones that are printed the confirmation of the building designed specifically for Pearl Street Facade meeting with Coase. Do you want to state elevations in that? Pearl Street Elevation meeting. The COD district. The hotel and the restaurant. The hotel and the restaurant. And also you had something about the restaurant should be well designed to match the hotel. Is that a condition? Why not? Sure. And we also had about the landscaping there. I mean the... So I have an easterly property line between residential so will the easterly property line between the anchor what is that number and that edge of the entrance there? Property lines of hedges? Are you talking about where they're widening the driveway in? There must be a spare hedge there. You might get fence in. Some substantial people are going to come out of that restaurant and their headlights are going to go right in their windows. The only way you might be able to do it is to use landscape game on the other side of the driveway. We can have the applicant work with staff on that. So what do you want them to say? Some kind of fence that's not a lot of hate but something some kind of screening that will light through. Fence on the easterly property line? Right. Just that? To block headlights. Block headlights and block noise from that residential property. I would say screening. Limited to a fence. But that's... So... I don't think you're going to be out. What? All I have here provided additional screening for headlights reaching the existing apartment houses. Is that what you're talking about? There's two residents. So you also want the applicant will work with staff on fence on the easterly property line to block headlights? Block headlights into the residents. That's just on the easterly edge. Just past that border. Their property is right there. So that won't light? We have closed the public portion but that's okay. Go ahead. Mr. Chair, how are you requiring that drive-through from the restaurant parking into the building? Not required. We're asking to look at it. Design the option into the building to allow drive-through parking garage. Yes. Consider design. Consider. Thank you. Somebody said replace the existing hetero or no? Yeah, I think there's an opportunity to see if the existing hetero or replanted. But they could... Well, I don't want to make that a condition. That's part of staff working with them. Okay. If it works out great, if it doesn't, staff can help them figure out what to replace it with. Okay. Okay. Anything else? Is everything right? Okay. So are we ready to make a motion here to approve or deny the application? Yeah. We're approving contingent upon the street. Like all of you are going to meet privately? Yeah, it's one of the... It's not a matter. It's not a matter. Is there a certain date that needs to come back to us by? It's under their control. We want to do it to come back somewhere. So, do I make a motion that we approve the project as a condition? 16 conditions. Are you taking the ones that are in the staff report? Yes. I will second that. All in favor? All opposed? Motion passes. Thank you. Okay. Does anybody have anything else? No. Thank you, Gabe. We're glad to see you up here. Do I hear a motion to adjourn? Second. Second. All in favor? Thank you. Okay. I need to go across the street. I had a very hard day. You didn't get a chocolate, did you? All the chocolate. Thanks, guys. Thanks, guys. Does everybody know what happened, by the way? Unfortunately. I'm trying to keep away from people. Thanks, George. Hi. I had a hard day. I had all the chocolate. That's okay. I'm going to be quick. What's up, Cross? Cross. Thank you. Evan. Are you going to cross? Oh, no. You go home? That's your turn, by the way. You're not in the big bus. Last time you spoke to one another. I took his car and said we were... We went to the green van. We were so happy to see you. Oh, you can put a java in it, too. Isn't that nice? That's a good idea. Oh, yeah. I'll go. I'll go, too. I'll go. I'll go. I'll go. I'll go. I'll go. I'll go. I'll go. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh, you know what, yeah, um, I gotta go to work.