 In your work, you've worked with, I mean, probably thousands of, I mean, really, really amazing, high-performing men. So what do you find that really, really separates those men, some of the men who are just like literally the best in the world at what they do? Yeah. Well, like I said, I mean, to me, one of the greatest traits in a man, and like you said, I've been very, very fortunate to work with some really high-profile, high-performing men. It is a depth and a clarity that allows them to cut through whatever, you know, whatever other things occur here and stay on course in a very distinct way while being very deeply relaxed. And that as a quality is something that I've only seen in the men who really have achieved what they wanted to achieve, that depth of relaxation combined with the strength of clarity. Yeah. Yeah. What do you say to, I feel like in today's world, there's almost, there's so many options, right, with the internet. And it seems like a lot of my friends, even those who are entrepreneurs, depending on the week they're practicing on their handstands or on their marketing or on this. And there's almost so much, so many things that we can be. And it's in our face, right, with the internet. And there's that kind of paradox of choice that I almost feel like keeps men from committing to a path. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's definitely true. To me, you know, when you were saying what are the traits of high-performing men, the other thing that all the men that I work with were really high-performing, both personally and financially, you know, in the success realm. They don't self-reference a lot. And so on the contrary, they mostly don't self-reference at all or very little, you know, other than when it's really needed. And so regardless of what they do, it's never about them getting something or going somewhere. It's just whatever needs to be done is done. And some of it is just for the enjoyment of it. And some of it is because it's along the path. So I'm not necessarily opposed to a man doing yoga one week and, you know, marketing the next. If it's not in response to thinking that he's not good enough, and if he can just learn this one, then it's going to be okay. Oh, shit, this didn't work. Well, let me try this one. Then it's going to be okay. So it's the lack of feeling that there's something deficient or wrong that makes it that anything that's being touched or being tried is kind of more a natural expression of the abundance that is life versus the grasping for the next thing that could potentially save his life, so to speak. Yeah, can you can you speak more to what that means on how a man doesn't, he doesn't self self reference. Well, there's, there's many aspects of self referencing the way I use it is both in physical thought and emotional. So in physical into a physical expression, you often see people self reference when they touch themselves, you know, and see that, of course, you know, if you've ever been to an insane asylum, which I have. You know, it's like this thing that I'm here. I'm here. Okay, I'm still here. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. People do that to lesser degrees, but when you watch it like for instance in the airport, there's a lot of that going on a lot of fidgeting, a lot of unconscious smacking of the gum, you know, takes adjusting this kind of so those are self referencing behaviors that are physical, where there's a constant attention on am I still here? Am I still the human that I am? Am I still separate? Is everything still okay? That's a, that's a, you know, physical self referencing. The mental self referencing goes from everything like, you know, am I good enough? Am I good enough? Am I winning? Am I losing? Is it okay? Is this okay? Does she like me? Does that, that the constant internal talk that also comes out in the way somebody speaks where it's often all about them and their needs. How it applies to, you know, yoga, one week marketing, another is that a lot of men have to feel like they're doing something valuable so that their existence is not, you know, put in question. So, it's a constant, oh, I'm doing this, I'm doing yoga, I'm doing good, I'm doing good. It's like, it's this, but in a verbal and mental and emotional way, where it's all about affirming that everything's still okay and that things are being done so that things get better versus doing things for the sheer pleasure or joy of doing them or because they need to be done and not so concerned with the constant reaffirming of the self through action that improves the self. Yeah, so more of that being versus doing this. What the being versus doing, more the relaxation versus push, more the feeling outwards versus feeling what's happening inside. And so the high, high performing men I work with spend very little time on their inner emotional landscape, interestingly enough. They'll talk with me about it if I make them, but it's an afterthought. This also applies, of course, you know that there's a fine difference. I'm saying you know that because you live in California. You know, there's a fine difference between having healthy raw or whatever kind of foods, you know, paleo or whatever people are into foods for the sake of optimizing performance and well being, and for the sake of self referencing because one is better than or if one eats the right kind of food, one is considered more advanced or, you know, separate from other people who are not eating that well and or exercising, you know, as a part of as putting yourself apart from other people. So there's, there's always the searching for the new thing to be separate better than standing out being okay and then there's doing the exact same things might look exactly the same way for the sake of optimizing.