 George Bruna with the 21 convention the patriarch edition and we're talking to Socrates today welcome. Thank you Thank you for having me back. Well, you just got off stage. I did I did how to go I you know, it's it's one of the things I honestly don't know. I know at the points I probably should have hit I don't really have the memory of the whole thing So this kind of question is did I hit all my points that I not and I already know right now There were two crucial points that I missed and you're like I don't think it matters But I think you're the only one who knew that. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely And I think you know if I get 70% of the content it's it's gonna be terribly desirable And so Terribly, please my my concern is always providing appropriate level of value to the guys provide content you in many cases have you know that 145 minutes or an hour or whatever it is for the guys who are attending in many cases It's even less for that for people who have a seven minute span on a video So you don't know what or when people are gonna tie in and what's gonna resonate with people So you want to kind of hit all that and you want to have a you know Just a honest good performance and so that maybe I'm a little too critical But I think I think it's valuable and you know you you have you're competing with yourself To provide and be better and I think I can live with the results. Let's put it that way I can live with the results. What a great turn of events that we're having Conference about fatherhood How do you feel about that change I It's it's one that I've been slowly Advocating for for a very long time That I haven't been direct and I'm gonna be a family guy that was never my my sense I knew to sell people what they needed to get them where you really knew they should go and Part of that for me was literally the book Was to get people involved in relationships and relationship structures and my first talk was literally a Conturing guide to pickup culture in dealing with the values of relationships So I started that ten years ago, you know, it's transition culminated into the book on the sexual marketplace It's a personal guidance map literally and so I've done that and I've always kind of alluded that hey There's more there's this you know even in the map I talk about you know becoming marriage potential and the human potential and so you know That's where I'm guiding you, but I don't necessarily have to teach you you feel kind of like Moses, you know at the time Yeah, cuz I was single I you know I had concerns and that's kind of where it all emanated from and I know to drive my people to Israel You know to the promised lands or however you want to call that and so, you know, I'm doing it but I there was a very serious disconnect between My personal life and my fears and insecurities and I was getting to the point where I was gonna have to make a serious decisions that look Am I really gonna go my own way or am I really gonna kind of really sit down and take a very Conscientious effort and look at my life's life structure what I'm doing the women I'm involved with and where that's gonna lead me in particularly with my fears of today's sexual marketplace Yes, now that was years back. It things have only gotten worse, you know, so we're talking about being responsible parents and fathers in the age of me too. Yeah, and Yeah That's dangerous. Yeah, and I don't mean it fictitiously We're at the point where there's only so many hateful terms and words People will have in our vocabulary that mean anything Racist misogynist deplorable. Yeah, you don't have much room more to go Other than open and condone sanctioned violence, right? And that's what we're heading right and that bothers me a great deal How do we as fathers deal with that? You know, honestly, I'm gonna steal something from a mentor and friend of mine And it's this notion of the Tostito family structure and the Tostito is a Roman legion formation It was a platoon base or a company base, you know, very small unit that commander Centurion had responsibility control and we could initiate decisions on his own accord under commander's intent So they can move forward back cover defend join with other units as they saw fit Which made the Legion vastly more flexible on a field than a structured organization that had to be told you move now do this And he had didn't have you didn't you just dissolve the lines of communication who pushed it all down So if you take that idea of a fortified defensive unit, you know Where they were able to shield over each other lift everything else and form a turtle formation essentially what they were doing If you take that concept into a family structure protect your own first Fortify yourself we talked about guys with shields and swords and all that sort of fortify and prepare your children to develop solid personalities independent functional healthy personalities combine that with capabilities This is straight from stealing this from Ken Ken's talk yesterday. Yeah, Ken Curry and Dr. Sean Smith Who they're saying this is how it builds confidence Yes, and that's our role to develop confidence in children to be have a personality stable strong independent personalities and Capabilities as adults so if we do that individually structure ourselves start start within it you know know yourself start from within change the change the world from inside first and then extend that hour and the secondary one will Be a relationship make sure your relationship is guarded and strong and secure and capable and then families and it grows and emanates from that And so I literally was talking about if you want civilization to be stable and survive or you know civilization You have to have a culture that that endures You have to that have that have be supported by a society by families by individuals who are all thriving All this builds upon one from another but it starts with the individual and so that's why I always supported the 21 convention You know when I really started to get into it because they were self bootstrapping those young men Self-fathering self-improvement whatever the issues were interests or range and there's a broad range of subject matter They were bootstrapping on their own and they were starting from within and it emanated outwards You start seeing it relationships. You start seeing it live by example. We can combat feminism all day long Nature doesn't care They want to see results and it's a ruthless result oriented structure And so the reality is either you will have to survive and have children to the extent that your children have children That makes you Darwinian successful or you won't and we need to kind of focus on what's important Battling feminism. It's a heinous idea. Okay, and it's played out as measured. It's not working for women It's not working for children. Definitely not working for men, right, you know And so I could fight that or I could provide a better alternative and ultimately I think people want to thrive I think people will chase and gravitate toward virtue and if you provide a better alternative than a loud argument or you know a vicious repertoire or you know a YouTube post or a meme that's you know says, you know, no matter how witty, you know Hypergamy doesn't care or you know a tweet that says hey, this is the gender war all true What change have you affected right, you know, have you led by example? And I think we're at the point where we need more than just manuals We you know, I know how frustrating it is to get a piece of IKEA furniture and see the instruction manual We need better than that. Yeah, we need people to show us because that's how we learn we're mammals We learn by imprinting to walk us through to train to lead by example to know we're not alone to have a culture upon which we can draw upon but we need those examples and Ultimately, I think if you you focus and work on your own, that's all that matters Yeah, you know the world around you can be on fire But if your world and your family is whole and complete and happy and content You'll gravitate to others. Is there a fatherhood GPS? You know, I Interesting enough, I think not in a application like we would find on you know, there may be but you know, I think Ken Curry was talking about that that it's already baked in it's it's in our genetics And that was part of my talk as well as genetically it is already ingrained all the you know For example, hypergamy is a calling. Okay, and our patriarchal response to this is a Tarzan call Okay in response to it. It's saying I'm capable. I'm fit. Yeah, I'm prepared to survive I know how to sexualize I can engage sexually appropriately and if we don't think that's a problem We know it is because we know the number of school shootings associated with kids who are under fathered who have poor sexual Relationships with the other gender or preferred gender, you know, that's an issue and I also know I can provide Okay, and that's the patriarchal call and reply to her programming is meeting that now interestingly enough women have the same obligation Okay, there's a hypogamous to call. How are they prepared to respond to it? And right now feminism is failing and culture and whole failing women grossly Providing them no solutions no able no experience or capabilities that have been proven successful that men naturally respond to their their obligation is To get men to willingly commit to them. Yeah, what a challenge. Yeah, hire women fair And we know they're not because we're okay as a society having a 50% failure rate, right, you know Divorce rate, right and we're okay with women recycling You know redoing all these things and they're not looking for alternatives matter of fact They're glorifying the fact that they're feral, right, you know, I've got a you know I have some friends co-workers that really sit down and we'll celebrate the fact that she doesn't know how to cook and doesn't like to claim And you're like man, you better be throwing down the sex because I don't know what else you're bringing to the table Right great individual like her, but man there is a you you you just as far as far as my interest whatever was gone You know, you know, I'm glad you have the guy you do. Yeah, you know, you're not the one for me Yeah, so I think there's a lot of that and so I think naturally there's an eternal clock You know our desire to get with another individual to have a relationship to you know Our inclination for sexual productivity is a built-in GPS already kind of guiding us already in I don't think we're aware of it. I don't think we're fine tuned to it I don't think we understand the ramifications that hey This is why sex is so damn good because we want you to get sloppy with your semen to have children because nature Doesn't care how it happens, you know that that and by the way It's probably some of the most natural things to happen. That's kind of what you know thriving sexual Mammals as is what they do they frolic they engage and they engage in sexual activity. It's not natural to not have children It's abnormal and and for species to do it itself extinguishing I was So how old is your child three years? She's three so it's interesting when I talk to some people and I'll ask them Do you have any children and I? Have seen this response a Lot more in the past five to ten years people saying I'm not gonna have children because I wouldn't want to bring a child into this world and that is such a despair filled Statement, how would you speak to the person and there's a lot of people who think that way? I wouldn't want to bring a child into this world the way the way the world is now and Tanner said something there's never an ideal time, right? There's never an idea How would you respond to that person who speaks like that to have had the same feelings and sentiments myself? Previously not not that I said that I'm not because of the nature of the world, but it is there is no doubt I am kept up at night at times thinking about the world my daughter's going into yeah And so I can I can sit down and say I understand and empathize with that. What are you doing about it? Are you preparing for you don't have a choice? This is a world you have It's not the the situation you may want I would have maybe wanted a different background or a different time or whatever it is This is the time we have we we won the gift of creation We came out of nothing, you know, you know essentially to create and to exist Yeah, and we're gonna begrudge the situation. We're in yeah could be a hell of a lot worse Yeah, I mean it could be monstrously. Yeah, and so I would I put it in context You know the other the other part is I think there's a degree of ass-kicking that needs to take place Yeah, it's like get over your fucking self really get more capable you you you have a special obligation You know, how do you then turn around and literally turn backwards and face to the Three billion years of evolution the hundred and fifty thousand years of human evolution now the two hundred fifty thousand generations of people that came before to make you right and said I can't I'm out. I'm out. I don't have the I don't have the ability and I'm too afraid and That's enough and the reality is if you can't get over it nature doesn't care You know you just said something the first time I heard this we have an obligation to the species. Yes Wow. Yeah Wow, that's profound Yeah, you know and I put that in saying we do now if you have a medical issue if you sit down and say Hey, I've come from history of so much trauma Yeah, you know that there's probably a genetic issue or if I have medical issues that I'm likely to pass off It is gonna sound Incredibly heinous. Yes, maybe you do have an obligation to remove yourself from the gene. Yes knowingly. Yes But we're talking about extreme outliers and because that's an outlier I shouldn't I don't think it should be relevant to or germane to a overall general conversation dealing with the whole whole Population group but on the whole I think we have an obligation to our historical past to honor our ancestors To say their efforts and sacrifices and things they did matter part of my talk. I showcased Neanderthals I actually went through the brain size development and interestingly enough most people don't know this We actually have smaller cranial capacities than Neanderthals interesting. Yeah, and and by the way that was an evolutionary advantage And I kind of walked through that But we don't face their challenges So there was a crossover period in which humans and Neanderthals come as they said, you know We developed and evolved independently and then we immigrated into their lands and territories Which means we're an aggressor and if you think we have racial issues now within our species Imagine what it is with the subspecies I can guarantee the hostilities and the the insecurities and the fear would have been vastly increased And it's you know, we don't humans don't behave well to that I can hear to you there was highly amount of conflict and this is an apex predator You know, we're looking at and it hasn't been determined that we're better than they are it was very much in question And so the the question is is that they were able to manage not only day to day existence and survival Okay, and thrive they did it in the face of direct opposition in Competition, okay, it wasn't just competing against other humans We're competing against another subspecies for the same territory same land same natural resources to thrive and by the way Hypergamy was there too And it didn't care either it didn't care and they were successful I gave a story about how I really relished and developed the skill of changing my daughter's diaper You know and really set down say hey This is a way of me protecting my family my daughter and really thrown in I kind of go into a length of all the preparation and planning and all this agent of it They didn't have diapers You know they didn't have all the things with you know formula and everything else and so life was vastly more difficult Yeah, and they they managed. Yeah, you know, I I don't sit down and say they I'm sure they thrived But I think we have such a lotment of joy and pleasure and entertainment That we've taken so much for granted that we don't look at the disadvantages others have had in comparison And it's you know, for example, I could sit down and say I have a tough job and I can I can beat myself up over and it's true You know, there's some really undue pressures But when I think of my grandfather and the things he sacrificed to provide for his family and did the things he did I don't think personally I know for a fact. I would have responded nearly as well or as graciously and I Use that as a point of strength stop feeling sorry for yourself. I understand it Okay, understand the issue at hand take it in stride deal with it Is this something you're willing to do with not deal with it at that level But don't take it any further and sit down and have it overwrite everything else that woes me I can't handle this or you know the nature of the world or rage against the universe Not only gonna be ineffective. It's terribly rude What do you what do you tell the ghosts of your past? Yeah? Did you see there's a movie coming out called William? Did you happen to see that? I haven't I you know, there's so much I I'm so engaged in so many other things You know, I don't really see a whole lot of pop culture They found I'm gonna have to apparently they found a Neanderthal the remains of a Neanderthal and they somehow extracted sperm and egg and whatever and the scientists Help give birth to a Neanderthal Child okay who grows up and his name is William and The previews look like you know like he can fight. He's different. He's got kind of like that brow All right. Yeah that kind of thing and it looks really interesting because he grows up knowing that he's different than everyone else And I want to see how Hollywood Portrays yeah, I would the biology It could be remarkable So for example not not only do we have smaller brains but regions of our brain are vastly different like all the the The back end of our brain for eyesight smell all that's vastly reduced because you don't need those hundred and gathering skills Social and I bring several examples in my talk that that go be well well beyond that Yeah, but the other one is the massive development of our cerebral cortex the rationalization the fine motor skills manipulation the communication ability for allow us to engage in larger tribes and packs and organizations and communicate Resolution skills, you know, essentially all relationship skills are reduce intention conflict and violence, okay? Making sure that we are able to manage and maintain Relationships those sort of things so that we can take our short-term interest in account with long-term interest Neanderthals didn't have that capability or nearly as much if they got angry They probably went apeshit and we're probably damn good at it Okay, um physically they may have been a little bit slower from the standpoint that they weren't as new because of the size and everything else There that's kind of very much in question It appears that we are a lot more nimble and faster or reflex wise and there's some indication up But honestly God if you've ever seen a gorilla charge something I have no no doubt Neanderthal moved just as swiftly, you know Yeah, and I would not want to be put in that path and I put literally to an image of a Neanderthal fossil and a human Skull together, so you have a comparison and you just look at the Neanderthal gold. Jesus. That's a brute I mean like if this was going to be a fight you're gonna lose It's like, you know, it's like the the scene in Aliens men's like game over man Yeah, and so you you have that I'd be really interested to see how they kind of navigate it I do think we would be alarmed and startled by their humanity. Yeah, you know And I think I quickly talked about, you know We're we can be moved when we see a dog resting on a grave of an owner or saying next to and we see that and we see Kind of that reflect, you know, we project our humanity and care and empathy, you know, you know that the animals displaying You know, can you imagine that with a much more sentient being that we know that love cared That had these things both in their art and endowment and how they took care of the dead and their graves You know the links that they went to do these things And so I think we would be really kind of startled seeing something that was so close to us But honestly so different and you know, if you sit down and say between us and chimpanzees Which is about seven million years in evolutionary structure We share up to 2% of or what 2% differential and DNA and I can guarantee that the Neanderthals just Right there. And so I I would find that really fascinating Yeah, I I would think that would be really interesting in the way they kind of actually we'd get the the sperm and eggs You can actually get it through the crumbs and you only need one you can manipulate it Yeah, which makes it interesting enough makes me know completely over all them Yeah, yeah, not only can you be a crumb, but you know, but you don't even need to be present You don't actually have to donate, you know actual nuclear material. Wow You have a book I I do I finally got the damn thing out. It was three years in the making And I'm the worst author in the world. I've done very little promotion of it. It's out there You know, and I hope I hope it helps the guys that have direct need and essentially It is very much literally a map to help people identify where they're in the sexual one What drives the sexual marketplace? What what creates it and and literally I create an X and Y axis, you know Natural selection and I define those qualities and then also the cultural things that stand opposed to Natural selection and I and I define what those are and so you can actually now Quantifiably be able to identify where you're at where you want to go on that and that's totally your choice And what would be the most direct path and part of that is because it's a vector I can tell you scale magnitude and because of the ranges I can tell you hey that the the map is not flattened Even there's some challenges and when to anticipate those challenges and based on your specific broken-down score I can tell you where you're gonna be most effective, you know So for example, it's far better to improve a negative than it is a strength, you know And I know that's not people's most normal element But you know to sit down and say hey I'm an eight on this one particular factor trying to push myself to a nine or a ten is going to involve So much work for very little benefit or notice of the benefit as opposed to if I score two over here And I vastly change that to a four or five bring myself to normal go from sub par to par And I can guarantee you that will revolutionize your life just doing that critical element and where to affect a change now Ultimately the sexual marketplace is primarily a natural selection marketplace, you know, this visual attraction to connections That's genetic and they need to understand that and what and why and I kind of go into Hypergamy and hypogamy, which is a male's natural selection interest and but I take it also further So I the primary two audiences are People there below the sex threshold the people are in the friend zone and I let both groups know that if you're there You're there for reason and cause The second group are those below the relationship threshold people that just can't get relationships for reason And and they don't understand why and so I talk to both those groups trying to bring them to normal You know what in the dating environment? The third group is literally that average because anything that's average is at risk You've had to put a lot of commitment into it You're going to get margin results. They're not consistent results and not only that Nobody's worth investing further and you're because you're average and irreplaceable You're you know, you're just as good as the next average person. Yeah, there's nothing worthy of remark And so the the issue there was okay It doesn't take a whole lot But if you're there now instead of pushing on one or the other You have the ability to do both simultaneously to bring it to the human ideal Which is that diagonal and we we talk about that and what does that involve and and ultimately what does it mean to be the human potential? You know really reaching out to to a specific individual and being truly utterly replaceable You know and and a lot of that is no longer about your personal skill But understanding your mission and agenda. What are you mutually going for that makes you utterly perfect? You know, and that doesn't mean without fly. I mean it's kind of like martini That the perfect martini isn't a flawless martini It's just one without major flaw And if you sit down and say I'm able to develop myself to that capability that I have a strong independent personality I'm capel and I have no major flaws. How fucking remarkable is that? So I I hope that helps people um and work, you know, I'm where can I get this? Yeah, you can literally find it on amazon Uh, you just type in sarkates the map, uh, if you just type in sarkates You're gonna get the you know all the all the some of it if you do the map you'll get it The other is if you actually want to go faster, I actually have a youtube channel. I'm pushing out content That's following this so you can actually see the material up close in hand I'll probably cover the first part just the friend zone going to average and provide all that content for free And obviously the the notion is here's the general content. Here's the owner's manual And I'll probably end up having a video course Along with that that would speed be more specifics of okay. What do I do? Okay? Here's the manual You know, I'll I'll give that to your free because I want that content out there But specifically what do I do to change your shape or formulate some of that? There'll be a separate course working. So we're working on that progression. Excellent So, yeah, if you want to leg up on it real quick, I'll be releasing content on youtube under manning up smart Manning up smart manning up smart is your youtube channel. Yeah youtube channel And then how can people find you if they want to know more? Uh primarily it's going to be there I have a uh old blog that's kind of really defunct where I I start looking at Skills and I kind of break it down from pre relationship development Early relationship development relationship skills maintenance management By category the problem is I haven't been writing on it for several years because I've been so involved with content With the 21 convention because I'm the broader range. I was reaching and touching more people I'm going to circle back to it. So there you'll see that come back But you can find that at manningupsmart.com and that's a primary blog information. The information is probably still very germane It's written most most of the articles are probably written five years ago But they're they're they're you know, essentially classics, you know Relationship skills really don't change a whole lot the perspective. Maybe just a touch I would almost be afraid to kind of look at it You know because you you're looking at your five-year-old self, right? You know and it's much like architecture, you know when you build something at last it sits there And sometimes when you go back at it go, yeah, I probably could have worded that differently or I've changed and I'm viewing it differently So it'll be it'll be kind of interesting to see that but you you can definitely find a lot of content Literally there The other part honest quite honestly is some of the best material that you will get will be on 21 studios and 21 report Okay, so Wonderful. Yeah And and much thanks to you. I mean you you make this easy bringing it out and yeah It's my pleasure to do so Socrates, thank you. Thank you