 Yeah It is 430 and I'm calling this meeting of the design review board to order Recording secretary, can you please call roll board member Burt Present board member cook is absent board member lip-tack present Board member Sharon is absent board member with rich present vice chair Weigel President Chair Jones Carter Let the record reflect that all board members are present with the exception of board member cook and board member Sharon Item 2 approval minutes. We have none Item 3 public comment We are now taking public comment on item number 3 non-agenda matters This is the time when any person may address the board on matters not listed on this agenda But which are within the subject matter jurisdiction of this committee Recording secretary, can you please provide instructions to the public? If you wish to make a public comment, please make your way to the podium Chair Jones Carter. I'm seeing nobody make their way to the podium Public comment is closed Item 4 board business Statement item 4.1 statement of purpose zoning code chapter 20 dash 52 point 030 F Project review the review authority shall consider the location design site plan configuration and the overall effect of the proposed project upon surrounding properties and the city in general Review shall be conducted by comparing the proposed project to the general plan any applicable specific plan applicable zoning code standards and requirements Consistency of the project project within the city's design guidelines architectural criteria for special areas and other applicable city requirements Item 4.2 board member reports. Are there any board member reports? Hearing none Thank you We don't have to do public comment because there were no reports good Item 4.3 There is none item 5 department reports Amy, do you have a report for us? Good afternoon chair. No report today. Thank you Item 6 statements of abstention. Do we have any on item 8.1? Okay Item 7 consent items. There are none Item 8 scheduled items. We're moving on to the first scheduled item 8.1 public hearing coffee park self storage major design review 32 82 coffee lane dash dr 20 dash 014 Presented by Mike Wixon the city. I'm sorry a contract planner Are there any ex parte disclosures on this item? Okay, so I'll begin the presentation and thank you madam chair Mike Wixon contract planner with the city and This item is a self storage project known as the coffee park self storage project It also has a conditional use permit with it as a project which will be considered either by the Planning Commission or the zoning administrator soon here after this meeting So if we could go to the next slide, please So the the application itself is for a two-story building. It's approximately 69,000 square feet There are 25 off-site parking spaces that I'll point out to you And that is the need for the conditional use permit is the off-site parking spaces and it's on approximately 1.3 acres in the coffee park area And it's located about 32 82 and 32 42 coffee lane So the project takes up a few different parcels, but it's primarily located at 32 82 coffee lane Next slide, please and again, this is showing the project location and kind of the Neighborhood context that it resides in you can see the project area highlighted in green And then you can see the the blue area Actually contains all of the parcels that are involved in the project But the project area itself is really limited to that that component that's shown in the green the project site fronts on coffee lane The project site will also have access to Piner Road Which you'll see in the site plan as we get through the presentation and then Rather than discuss the surrounding uses right now, I think I'll go to the next slide and can discuss a little bit more, too Again, this is the project site But it tends to show the project site and the parcel in Context with where there are off-site parking so you can see the dashed off-site parking area And then also what will be a future dashed off-site Vehicle access to the south onto Piner Road the the property is owned both This site and then the site to the south by the same owner So having the vehicle access and making adjustments to the lot lines for both of these parcels To complete the project won't be any issue for the applicant There's also a lot line adjustment application that will be required in the future But that lot line adjustment application has not been submitted as of yet So if we can go to the next slide, please Again, this is a little bit more in context These these slides show the vacant parcel on the left the smaller inset You can see the vacant parcel on context with the development surrounding it In particular to the north is the Piner Creek Industrial Park to the south is both a convenient smart gas station And a car wash and those are all owned by the same owner as this project And then there's also tire and brakes or tire and It's a brake store to the south and then There's some other industrial uses to the east As well as to the west there are some industrial uses Uh that are and also the fire station immediately west of the project site We can go to the next slide, please So this is a street view of the project site. Again, this is looking into the vacant portion of the of the undeveloped site You to your right. You can see just the beginnings of the building That's the convenience store gas station And then to the left you can see how the redwood screen this site from the Piner Creek industrial park Then if you go to the next slide, please Again a little bit more from the street view. This is showing where the offsite parking spaces would be Relative to the undeveloped portion of the site And if you go to the next slide, please And again, this is Again showing the vacant parcel But a little bit more of coffee lanes so you can see how coffee lane exists Along the frontage of the site the project will complete the improvements Uh necessary to have the complete street And those improvements will be completed Between the existing gas station to the south and then the Piner Creek industrial park to the north Along the frontage of the project site If you go to the next slide, please This is showing the The street view from Piner Road And this is just given so you get an idea of What it looks like looking into the site from Piner Road. It's not a perfect View into it But there is an issue That i'll present later that I just wanted to get you give you a feel for what what that kind of looks like and And get that in your mind a little bit You can go to the next slide, please And again, this is just showing surrounding land uses in the buildings to give you an idea of the architecture surrounding the site It's a lot of parapet roofs around it Um in that type of almost like an international style, but not quite Um and then again to the west is industrial uses in the city gas station To the south is the tire store And then there's also the empire floors to the south Um as well as there's an existing Shopping center small little strip center to the south and you can see the architecture of that particular site as well So if you go to the next slide, please The project history started in about 2019 at the end of 2019 the concept review application was submitted But then it was later withdrawn Um in favor of just going straight to the design review The applicant had met with staff in a pre-application And I think the applicant felt as if they had gotten good enough direction To proceed forward without doing a concept review So in september 2020 The applicant submitted the application Uh and then also in 2021 the application was submitted for the conditional use permit for the offsite parking And then those applications were deemed complete recently in july And here we are And so if you can go to the next slide, please This particular slide is just showing the context of the general plan The gray area both on the project site and surrounding is all light industry In the general plan the use itself is consistent and a listed use for the general plan So it is a permitted use by the general plan itself If you go to the zoning on the next slide The zoning shows also light industrial zoning The blue shows the the site itself but all the clear area on the map Is a light industrial or most of it Directly to the south again is a little bit of general commercial Or yeah general commercial But the project site itself is light industrial And again the use itself Which is the self storage use Is a permitted use as long as it meets the development standards Listed in the zoning code And you'll see in the staff report that upon review of those standards Project does meet all of those criteria and therefore is it permitted use for the particular site If you can go to the next slide, please This is showing the proposed site plan The site itself has a little bit of an L shape Again, I mentioned the lot line adjustment There will be a slight slight lot line adjustment And if you look at the lower right hand corner Where the building kind of ends up there on the south south elevation Generally in that area that that lot line will be shifted a little bit To the west so that it can encompass what's necessary for the retention area And then also for the exiting access road So this essentially is a site plan that's showing an adjusted lot line in and of itself And that's what the review was calculated on and how it was evaluated You can see the parking that's provided on site There'll be a few parking spaces provided directly on site right up at the front on the left hand side Of this site plan as you look at it And then there'll be a small little walkway to those 25 parking spaces directly to the north That will give access to the office area That's shown kind of in the lower left hand corner of the building there The way that the the project will work and have access it will provide access from copy lane Um and it will come in off of copy lane both ingress and egress So there will be a little turnaround area in the front if people Come to the site and see that the wrong place. They will be able to turn around Um and then exit to copy lane However, anybody who's entering the site will have to go through a a gate or that's a security gate at the front And then they will press the buttons get with the correct security code. They'll enter the site Go to the right It is it will be a one-way drive aisle to the right And follow the drive aisle all the way out to an exit gate Which is uh back again in that uh kind of lower right corner that I mentioned And then that access will go finally on to piner lane and we'll go to the next slide, please The access is shown a little bit more completely here. So you can see that gray area That's the uh the access road through the project site meets all the requirements for width And uh side parking so people can load unload um Then this is the landscape plan so you can see the limited landscaping that will be put on site There'll be a few more trees added per the conditions of approval both in the front or actually it will be to the front And so that that was included in the conditions of approval If you go to the next slide, please This is a slide of the building elevations and I've got a few slides to show the building elevations It's kind of walked through it. This is looking directly west. So this is the view directly from coffee lane And you can see the uh architecture proposed has a lot of variety to it different materials Um different elevations of the parapet wall They'll also have a steel awning with a steel rod tie backs And there'll be clear glass windows with anodized steel or anodized aluminum mullions for the windows And the windows are clear enough that you will see through those at night So you'll see back through them And that's kind of what's shown in the orange there that's you're looking through the windows To the storage units themselves into the back and that also will be true for the office area Down below there on the bottom floor Just below that upper area So that upper area will come back to that I want to come back to that a little bit later to discuss just the design of that and Kind of walk through that with the design review board If you go to the oh before I go to the next slide, sorry Just walking back the the east elevation is facing a developed light industrial building and then it's the back of a light industrial area reuse So that's why you don't see any Ornamentation or any real variety in that back. It's really not necessary Um, and then if you go to the next slide You'll see the building elevations facing both the south and north The north elevation is what faces the piner creek industrial park And then the south elevation is what will face the existing Um convenience store and gas station So as you look at the south elevation, um, the complete south south elevation is shown just below these two Basically, I pulled up the west side of the south elevation And the east side of the south elevation so that you could see them a little bit more in detail Um, and then the full elevation itself is presented just below them But again, you can see the similar materials windows, uh the The steel tie backs and the awning in the front the doors themselves will be steel man doors And then there will also be a a wainscote treatment on the bottom. It's a a wreck of sorts or A pre-manufactured stone veneer that will be a complementary color to the building itself And you can see that as well So one of the things that I wanted to point out in this elevation because it begins to get into the issue that I'll be discussing a little bit more Is if you look closely on the top picture On the right side, you'll see the parapet line Uh of the wall Behind the gate So this is actually behind the security gate, but you'll see the parapet wall of the elevation is a little bit below What is going to be the parapet wall line on the backside or north facing? Uh elevation and in between those two lines, you'll see a little bit of a gray area with those lines And that's essentially the sloping roof And that's that is our issue that we just wanted to raise To the designer view board And I'll go into it a little bit more But I just wanted to be able to point that out in the elevations that that same feature Is also on the right side of the building elevation here presented so you can see it Again, it's on the it's facing the interior of the project site directly But there is that view to the sloping roof and I just wanted to point that out for now So if we go to this Actually the north facing elevation we don't need to go to the next slide yet, but the north facing elevation has a little bit more Delineation to it if you will Especially at the front you can see the score lines and the stucco wall material It's a beige color so it's very similar to the front and it goes back Approximately 40 feet and then begins the vertical Galvanized metal Wall material and that wall material will continue back to The left side there or what would be the east side of the building And then it'll have a few break points in it to break it up a little bit with the score lines and Stucco wall material and you can see that very clearly in that elevation And if you go to the next slide, please This is just meant to give you as a designer view board a feel for the building materials You can see the veneer stone on the bottom of this is not i'm looking at the picture in the upper left corner You can see the anodized aluminum Doors windows You can see the steel awnings and then the tie backs You can see the veneer stone All being very similar to what's proposed with this project And then you can see the steel man doors in the next picture to the right And again more of the same On the picture to the right of that you see the steel tie backs the steel awning Anodized aluminum windows and the clear windows and then the the one on the very right and the upper right Is just meant to show the keypad and what that will look like at the gate at the entry gate The one just below that is the pedestrian entry gate. So that is what the gate design Will look like when the product is finished or the building is built out To the left of that is the faux veneer stone to tile That will be placed on the building so you can feel for the look of that and the color And again, just to the left of that is the clear windows so you can see how the clear windows will be seen You basically you'll be able to see through those into the back And I think lastly it's just to the left of that is the lower left corner is the stucco itself with It doesn't show up very well, but that'll have the score lines are there And the score lines will be included in the design of this building as well And again, that shows the the stone veneer as well On that bottom lanes code treatment You go to the next slide, please In context, this is the street rendering as to what it will look like as a finished product And you can see the completed design here So the two issues that staff has that we just wanted to raise to the board are number one the element that is the upper pop out element Above the office area and you can see it has that faux wood tile treatment And then the sign is up there for the coffee park storage So that treatment in staff's opinion tends to just float up above It doesn't really have much of a connection to the base Um, and so that that's just something that we had raised to the applicant and something to consider The we had raised to the applicant the possibility of continuing that pop out all the way down And if you were to do that it created a few issues But the main issue is that it would take up the area of the walkway And start to press into the parking and remove another parking space from the front area Um, and then as well we said we were looking at it and considering maybe we just used the faux tile To just extend the faux tile down and give it some connection to the wainscote treatment and then the foundation And that presents a problem in that the steel tie backs Uh, would then be put over the top of that tile and that could create a structural issue later on Um, and so then the applicant suggested possibly the use of a paint material So just simply painting What's below it with some? Complimentary color that could tie it into the ground So i'm raising this to uh to the design review board if this is an issue to you Um, there's a few ideas there of what might be done to address it And then hopefully it can be discussed a little bit further and I know the applicant is there So the applicant being i'm sure more than happy to discuss ideas and If that is something of concern to the design review board Then the next Issue again is the interior building elevations parapet wall height And again, uh, both these elevations shown here. I've pointed out where that sloping roof is Hopefully those are visible here in these pictures What you'll see in these elevations as well is even above the The stucco area and the scoured stucco area you can see the the Parapet wall line in back of it So that lighter line in the back will be the finished parapet wall line Uh, all the way around the building you can see it has a slight elevation changes as it goes around the building, which is good um However again, you can see that slightly in that interior elevation you can see a little bit of that sloping roof And uh, whether or not that might be an issue to the design review board Is the other issue we're raising and just if if it's something that is of concern To the design review board that you might consider raising the parapet wall height slightly To cover that and make that completely invisible or not visible from the street I'm going to talk a little bit more about how that might be visible um, right now it You have a lot of it covered or it's pretty well covered By the existing building immediately to the south um You recall I mentioned that there's the existing development of the convenience store And then the gas station and car wash and those together will block quite a bit of view view into the site However, there still exists the possibility that it might be viewed from from uh, piner and Therefore we're just raising this to to be sure you're aware of what is shown And the possibility that might be Visible from the street The next slide if you can go to that which is the line of sight from coffee lane And the applicant has prepared this to kind of give you an idea If you follow that line of sight out from coffee lane All the way back into the uh back of the site You won't see or you wouldn't see or shouldn't see the sloping roof um From that perspective because that front parapet wall should block your line of sight um If you took that same line of sight a little bit forward into the Wall that's south facing all the way back along There are some small areas where you might be able to see into the site and see a little bit of that sloping roof So again, it's not a serious issue. It's just something that if the if it's a concern to the designer view board um That's an item for discussion But I think for the most part It should be um Pretty well screened from street view, but there might be some sites into it So, uh, again if we go to the next slide I had mentioned the pop out that was the other issue And so there it is again um Kind of wrapping this up the project itself is uh Qualifies for an exemption as a class 32 project According to the sequel as an infill development project And there's quite a bit of discussion given to that in the staff report and how it qualifies for that exemption And uh again the next slide, please Just recapping the issues for discussion The design of the pop out feature and the elevation of the interior parapet wall Whether you'll have view into those that sloping roof Uh, and then the next slide, please So overall is recommended by the planning and economic development department that the design review board approved the resolution that's included in your packet Uh for the design review application for the coffee park self storage project at 3282 and 3240 copy lane And that concludes my presentation Um, and I'd be happy to answer any questions if you had them and again Mr. Ed Borsma, I believe is in the audience and if you had questions I'm sure he'd be more and happy to to discuss them with you And that's it. Thank you Sure, could I ask a quick question? Sure. Um I'm not sure if questions to staff regarding the project as a whole are are appropriate I would like to maybe if we could before we heard the balance of the presentation just get a quick read on What our approval is relative to the conditional use Approval and just make sure that I understand what we're what we're looking at this evening to to understand and If if we could just if I don't want to get deep into the details We can do that after the applicant presentation But could we just kind of take a quick look at what it is we're looking at tonight what the approval is and How it relates to the conditional use permit? Is that what I Sure. I um, I'm gonna Defer to Mike wicks and the planner Just because he'll probably have a more detailed answer for you. I believe I know the answer but I see him on here. So I'll stop talking Yeah, so before you tonight is the design review and that would be a Quote unquote a final design review because there's no preliminary design review here So it'd be a final design review for the project as a whole So that would include actually The off-site parking not the use of it, but the design As it relates to the project and having access to the project as well as the project site Uh, the building that you've been shown the all the onsite development And I did leave out one little component that there will be a small little Part of a The awning that is used for the solar array on the parcel to the south And that small little section of the awning will be removed So that the gate and it can be extended on to That area that will have the lot line adjustment. That's also part of the design review tonight so, um Hopefully that answered your question if it didn't let me know I can try and elaborate more You hit the issue on the head that I was Curious about which is if we're making a land use decision regarding the parking or evaluating it not that I have not to Say that I'm against it Or if that was going to be the conditional use permit In other words the design of the parking is kind of one thing the path that goes there that sort of thing I just wasn't sure if our Comments on or our vote wrapped up The viability of the off-site parking Which sounds like the use permit does that That would be correct. That would have less than use itself. Great understood. Thank you Thank you chair Hi, would you like to proceed with your presentation? I'm ed borosma with cubics and this is trevor with the civil engineer We aren't going to provide an additional Presentation other than what mike did but we're available for questions Comments as needed Thank you Well, I'd like to open public comment Public I would like to open the public hearing on this item Recording secretary. Do we have any public comment? If you wish to make a public comment, please make your way to the podium Chair jones carter. I'm seeing nobody making their way to the podium great I don't I don't think they can do that now I think they have to be here Yes So the question is if we It's my understanding that people have to be here in person that we're not taking emails and voicemail messages as public comment Thank you for the question Public comment can be provided either In person here in the chamber or we can accept emails prior to the meeting and that can be uploaded as late Correspondents and the planner can summarize it But yeah, no voice messages. No Zoom comments As of now Thank you Do we have any emails? Chair jones carter. We don't have any emails. Thank you So moving forward if I say do we have any public comment that would include that? Correct typically if we do receive an email, I will upload it as late correspondence For whatever reason if it's too close to the meeting and I don't have time then at that point the planner would read That late correspondence allowed Thank you So Are there any questions on the board for a staff or the applicant? I'm sure there are we'd like to start with earnest Sure Thanks for the presentation Just some quick questions Where would the mechanical equipment be going on this Building the mechanical equipment would be on the roof At the West end of the property hidden behind parapets Uh, how how tall is the parapet over the roof at that area? I'm trying to find it here. It's approximately four feet. Okay and then Can you clarify the parking count? It looked like it was 25 Spaces serving the site that are off-site plus The accessible space A secondary space and then maybe a manager space. Is that correct? There's a manager space inside the building, but yes you describe that accurately the off-site spaces actually are already there And there's an easement in place for them But the operation of the self storage will not require those and I'm entirely sure why we Are even going through the exercise because the spaces are there and there's an easement already from some prior efforts on this particular project But As the site operates, there's so few cars that will be in the site at any given time We expect somewhere in the neighborhood of three to four cars at any given time will be on site And there might be one at the office Two or three perhaps near their storage units loading for 15 minutes at a time and then leaving So it's it's really overkill to have the make that the parking spaces that we're talking about today the off-site spaces aren't even necessary Yeah, so so technically there's about 28 spaces that serve that's about right That's actually all my questions. Thank you Thank you, michael Yeah, some of my questions revolved around the parking as well and it's funny because it kind of bounced back and forth 25 spaces and it looked really odd given our uh the understanding that I've gained of Storage projects and how few spaces are required So, um, it was it was interesting to kind of work through where they were what they were for Probably good to have the overflow I guess my question is that those are on those are on private property, right? That's that's an easement through Okay, so it's an easement and that easement um, it is not likely to be Changed or vacated in or in In a short term So it just always I was trying to pay attention when parking for a project is not on the project and We've seen projects go down where they couldn't provide parking and you just couldn't rely on An alternate source off-site So I I think that your answer probably clears up any questions that I had about about the parking That's sort of a comment. I'm sort of working through it or a question. I'm sort of working through it What is the parapet set back from the From the facade, I don't know who has the best answer to that Is yeah, is there a setback from the finished building line to the parapet? Or is the parapet I was in looking at the drawing. I'm seeing this the little strip of white I'm assuming that that's a a parapet screen behind the parapet. Am I missing the The building wall the exterior wall is the parapet is the parapet. Okay And then with regard to the parapet and the question raised by staff about the possibility of being visible You know in a flat elevation. Sure. You see that the um The the distance To piner is roughly 200 feet The cross section we drew from coffee lane Shows 500 feet of distance the further you get away The more you could potentially see that parapet But the cross section that we provided shows that you will not See the parapet even from 500 feet You're stealing my thunder from my comments. I always tell people elevations don't tell you anything about the real world When you're when you're in a car on the ground, you're you've got a different view So elevations are deceiving but I I appreciate that and understand that so I just wanted to try to understand where it was I think those those are all my questions so Vic Hello, thank you for being here I have a few questions The roof what is the roof material? It's a standing seam gavelume roof I thought it said standing seam someplace and I couldn't I was searching on it. I couldn't find it So in the elevation in fact, we can we're looking at the standing seam the little bit of roof that's above The lower side where you would you know presumably be looking in so I I mean standing seam is Like very cool. So thank you. I'm glad you confirmed that it is Standing seam. I think it adds material variety I have a question about How the how The project as presented demonstrates the connection with the off-site parking that just seems like I Need to look more closely perhaps or need to be pointed to where to look to see what that connection is from What is presented to us to what is intended to be through The the parking easement which is in perpetuity. I believe I think I've read that Is there is it is it developed? Is it is there someplace I can see it? The so the the pedestrian path presumably Yes, if you're asking about the physical connection There is a pedestrian path on the west side of the building that leads directly to these parking stalls Okay, I'll just look it up in the plants And then finally I'm looking for a trash enclosure Yeah, we have the trash enclosure Inside the building So you won't see it And and then Okay, great. Is it Called out in the plan? It is. Okay, great. I'll look it up. I presume it's on the first floor Thank you. I saw it True champion question Yeah, I have a couple questions. Thanks chair um So I'm sorry to belabor the the roof parapet question But so it looks like there's a 11 foot floor to floor for the first floor. I'm assuming it's 10 or 11 feet floor to floor for the second floor. Is that correct? Or is it less on that second floor because it's just not shown anywhere Well, there are dimensions on the elevations to show those heights My eyesight at this point with this site scaled right. I can't read my own dimensions. Yeah, and there's not so so typically, you know I'm an architect. So I would put, you know finished floor And I would say 11 feet and then I would say, you know, whatever roof line This site I'm not seeing one for the second Floor and the reason I asked that is you said four foot parapet. So to me that says if your shortest parapet is 22 24 foot six at the front the west of the building where the mechanical units are And you said it's a four foot parapet Then that would put the floor to floor at like nine foot six basically from the The second floor to the top of the roof deck basically. That's correct. Okay. Is that about right? Yes Okay, so the second floor is shorter than the first floor and obviously because it is less structure, right? You don't have to hold all the weight, right? So you probably have like two feet of structure or something like that Okay, cool All right, that answers that because it again, there's there's two heights of parapets on the front entry, right? There's the kind of the stone bump out which is a little bit taller Anyway, uh, so I'm just I was just trying to make sure four four feet's a good spot for a mechanical unit Mechanical units can be very large So I think we just don't want to see them, right from the street. So thank you um Okay So I was looking at the landscape plan and it looked like um, there's both a marina strawberry and a chinese pistach Notated in the legend But then I wasn't seeing that Symbol anywhere. So it looks like you're just intending on planting for Coast live oaks. Is that correct? Uh, yeah, that is correct. Our landscape partner. I could make it today. Um But that is correct. We proposed live oaks in the bioretention facilities They are on the planting list in san eros lid. So we provided that as our selection Yeah, that was going to be my next question. I'm not a landscape architect. So if if uh, I remember if Mike were here or Adam they'd be like, oh, you can't put a tree in a biofiltration facility But if the live oak can go in the biofiltration for the lid list then perfect um, okay, so that was and then um I just had a question about this drive aisle Um, you know, so we've we've got all this off-site parking Which I understand and it's already kind of locked in and whatnot But um, there's only kind of one way to access this site from that parking, but that's a separate comment question So the drive aisle so as people utilize this facility, right? They're going to drive in and then they're going to park like immediately adjacent to the building, right? So there's going to be a 12 foot drive aisle and then 14 foot 6 left over for a Emergency vehicle access should somebody be parked in there. Has that all been reviewed by um city fire and whatnot and they're okay with that It has and yes, they are okay cool Yeah, it's just there's really no dimensions or kind of description about how that would operate functionally But if if fires looked at it, that's great that fire ingress egress. I did see an exhibit With all that the turning radius is and whatnot. So fires look that great And that's it for my questions. Thank you Okay Yes Yeah, I'm sorry. I had I had one additional question and that is the this the setbacks ah There's it so On page seven of the staff report. It says there's a six inch setback on the north and the rear And the plan shows a one foot and I'm just like that And I know on the the so-called rear side. There's a flooring store right there so But I can't see And it looks like it's right there. Is that is there literally one foot between The project and the flooring store. That's a good question. And there's two conditions on the east side We are one foot from the property line the building the flooring store building is about three and a half feet from this building And we will have to get a construction temporary construction easement to assist with the construction on the north side The dimensions on the plan says six foot six inch minimum But there's articulation in the building wall. So it articulates to one foot six six inches one foot And adjacent to it is is Anything nothing. I mean I can see the parking just the parking lot on the north side. Great. Thank you Okay, um, I had a question. Was there any thought to providing some kind of overhead coverage for people loading unloading items into their storage units We do have overhead coverage on the exterior double man doors for people coming into the in and out of the building it's um Not typically done in self storage to put coverage in front of all of the roll up doors on the exterior of the building She can imagine that's most of the building And so you'd also have to put that 14 feet high so the trucks don't hit it and depending on how far that awning sticks out At 14 foot high if it's only a three foot awning, it's not going to give you a lot of protection So I'm not sure that that would be warranted But at the areas where the people do come into the building there are awnings about And um, was there any consideration giving to trying to provide more light for the upper unit? I know you have the the one block on the end Or in the middle of the building which is providing some daylight, but That's it Yeah, the nature of self storage is such that there isn't usually a lot of natural light There is some coming in the building, but it's limited. We do have the lights on the second floor At the main cross hallways where the elevators are so where the most Traffic of people will be there will be the most amount of light Other than that there'll be motion sensing lights throughout so it'll be lit up quite bright Okay, thank you. Are there any final questions before we move to a motion? I have one final question. I'm just looking at the site one last time. Um, is there going to be a requirement as you kind of move further for Electric vehicle charging It's likely. Yeah, we could provide that I'm just thinking because Back to that parking count the parking count number keep goes up Which I think is atypical for something like this and we got a tiny little site where something can be provided up front the The thought that it could impact the that front parking design Okay, thank you. Sorry. I was talking Would someone like to make a motion for the resolution I move To Accept the resolution and we have comments after this, right? So let's get it on. Let's get let's get to it I move that we accept the resolution What what think the whole thing? Okay, hold on. Hold on. I I No, it's too far away Actually, I can't read that but I have it right here I have the resolution. Okay. Here we go ha I move to approve the Resolution of the design review board of the city of santa rosa granting design review approval of the coffee park self storage project Located at 32 42 30 282 and 3300 coffee lane apns 034 dash 011 dash 074 034 011 Sorry 034 dash 011 dash 077 and 034 dash 011 dash 076 file number dr 20 dash 043 I have to do the thing in parentheses the pr thing as well in parentheses prj 21 dash 034 And I waived the reading of the text. Thank you true I'll second the motion All right. Um, and now we would like to get some comments from the board I'll start down here with vick. I'm so yeah with vick. I'm looking that way Um, I I would like to comment on the Overhang piece with the wood faux wood tile. I think it's beautiful And I I think cantilever works. I think people understand cantilevers now So a cantilever piece that comes out. I I don't I don't See the need to try to tie it in it's a it's a It's got the name on it. It's got the windows in it. I I like So I I do not have a problem with that nor do I have a problem with the um parapet Those are my comments Thank you Ernest Yeah, thanks again for bringing the project forward and overall I'm I'm into the project. It's it's great. Um, I'm actually on the other side of the spectrum for, um The floating piece up front You know the the patchwork of that material it shows up one two three It shows up a couple times in it. I think further down on the I East side of the building north elevation it's it just shows up again as a Just another random patch. Um, I don't know that it ties in necessarily um I personally have a preference that it um it would tie in I know there was mentioned that that it could impact the awning um tie backs It it seems to be addressed on the uh adjacent Kind of bump outs on the west elevation the the awning is tying back onto the that material same material So it seems feasible It could just be a preference. Um, so I'll go along with the board on how how they decide um I do bring up the parking thing again with the consideration that I I think there may be a potential for a conflict In the site design in that if we're if you're at 28 parking spaces total We need to introduce an electric vehicle charging station It needs to be set up as accessible. So we're going to lose an a space for an aisle Let's say we remove that from the parking count. You're still at 27. That means two accessible parking spaces Which means your second parking space In the front is going to probably be accessible as well Meaning that you have an ev charging station in the back Meaning you have an accessible route to that adjacent property. So maybe it doesn't work out that way I think it's just something to consider based on the scoping that I think you are going to probably have to modify something at some point in time and it could Maybe there is potential that um something might need to shift in terms of the the parking. So Uh, may I respond to that? Absolutely Mike wixen could comment on what the actual required number of parking spaces is for this project, but it is not 25 or 28 it's more like five We just happen to have 25 Right and and while I I agree that that's that could be true While you might be required to have five 28 are provided So I think we would look at the more stringent Scoping requirement. I don't think we could necessarily say that Well, we're not actually going to use those spaces if they're provided and they're associated with this project I think we would want to look at The full scoping of how many parking spaces are associated with This building if the number of accessible stalls is triggered by the excess parking Then it would be in the developer's interest to Scale back the existing easement. So there are less parking spaces provided because we don't need them So get it down to 25 total Get it down to 10. So we don't need two accessible spaces Yeah, that could us 20 20. I mean if you want to do 10, that's completely fine, too Hey Ernest yes, sir. Yeah, I think I mean Ernest brings a really good point I mean ultimately the determination of your parking is going to be a result Of your building plan check and Jesse Oswald who's the chief building official for the city is going to make that determination on whether or not What's going to be required based on the development of parcel, right? I mean that that's a building code issue, which I agree with. I mean, I totally agree with you Yeah, I my My thinking is if we could get in front of it At this level before they develop a full set of plans and can at least investigate it. I think it would be Help them out instead of getting A couple tens of thousands of dollars in the design and realize well, we got to Change something so As it relates to the other item about the metal seam roof being exposed, I'm actually completely fine with that I think it looks good. So Those are my comments Michael Great. Yeah, feel the same way about the standing seam roof I'm I'm really good with the materials and the organization of the materials and the elements on the West and south facades I'm going to be the I'm going to be the problem guy for the north and east sides And the design, you know, our design guidelines talk about four-sided architecture and absolutely on the north side There's there's lip service to a four-sided architecture And not on the east side I'm not worried about the industrial building that's there today at all My experience right now and what I do is an industrial buildings like that and Residential areas like this in proximity to trans that are being torn down on a regular basis and housing is being built so My concern is not about Two years from now when you guys open or 10 years from now It's it's the idea that that I believe that this facade will end up probably facing a residential apartment project or something of that nature I don't know who the tenant is in the building. I didn't go look. I don't know who owns it But my experience working around the bay area and la and Other locations is that these types of buildings are disappearing quickly We're housings needed. So I don't I don't know that I don't know that I would be asking for a lot more than maybe A little more consistent rhythm Uh and and a little bit more of the scoured stucco Mixed in with the corrugated on the north side and I would love to see it just turn the corner on the east side so that there was Just a a future-proofed Elevation that had a little bit more of what we look for in four-sided architecture I don't think it takes a lot compared to what's here Um, I could almost see pulling some of the narrow panels a couple, you know, maybe adding a narrow panel Getting those organized and then maybe turning the corner with a good expanse at the end and and On the north side a little bit better expanse. Maybe that matches the west corner and then just turning the corner So that would be my comment about how to get to four-sided architecture here Not reinventing anything or new materials and again, I bring up my point that We've got to make a decision for the long term here in santa rosa And I you know, I just wouldn't count on that industrial building being there for the long haul. So Point taken and we have talked with the neighbor to the north And they're an out-of-state owner and they are expressed to us that they're long-term holders But your comments not it may not be what's long-term right? It might no understood understood I would be interested to hear how other board members felt on that on that issue. So Thanks millie. Um, yeah, I'm in total agreement with mike I mean the east elevation is is an incredibly weak elevation in comparison to everything else Um, I do have a question though. I was thinking about it You mentioned the flooring store was three and a half feet And you mentioned that this is a foot off the property line So that gives us four and a half feet, which means you're less than five feet. So this has to be fire rated I'm assuming right Okay, so with a fire rated wall, there's you know We probably need to keep it flat Because it's it's a rated assembly and whatever's tested Etc. It says or etc. But to that end, um, I think we can You know, I would uh, I would agree with mike. I think turning the corner with some of the stucco Um, you know stucco assembly is a can be part of a rated assembly much like metal And and uh, it's really you know Stucco in fact is a more quote-unquote Durable fire rated material Uh, because it's cementitious unless you're planning on doing efis. But anyway, that's another here nor there Um, so the the problem I think with turning the corner potentially is now we've reduced our one foot Right because a stucco assembly is going to be thicker Than a corrugated metal assembly potentially um, so The the staff report said six inches minimum So now you'd be at four feet Plus or minus Uh, do you do you foresee that being an issue? Building design fire rating etc. I don't see it an issue for fire reasons But also the flooring store That's there now that's three and a half feet or so from the building Only runs about half the length of the eastern wall And so as we wrap the corner that At that northeast corner There's nothing there that's going to be a problem for that Slightly reduced dimension you're talking about Yeah, so I would I would agree. I think you could probably turn the corner Up until you hit the flooring store with stucco And then keep everything In plane with the metal side, you know the vertical corrugated metal assembly and then In the rear at the north side you could probably turn the corner with stucco on that Because you do have a bump out On That north elevation You actually have two bump outs three bump outs really um, and so i'm wondering You know if if there's a A taste for a material change With the bump outs in addition to kind of the The rhythm because then you'd actually have a really Pretty clear rhythm stucco metal stucco metals stucco metals stucco metals stucco Um if that makes sense I think that makes a whole lot of sense To to kind of amp that side up and make it feel a little more balanced scale wise Because the huge swaths of metal I think you're just going to make it feel really industrial and big and So michael's point You know what if Right, what if a residential Anyway, so I would encourage Dressing up the materials a little bit on the north elevation The other comment I have elevation wise is Um, I don't have a problem with the west elevation and kind of the the faux Kind of overhead door. I mean that's that's that's the signage, right? That's the hey, this is a storage facility here Um, it's done everywhere. Uh, what's nice about it on the west elevation is the doors are below The coping cap On the south elevation on the east side you have a similar bump out component signage Great don't have a problem with it But your overhead doors are above your parapet cap your coping cap so it feels A little contrived and fake in that regard So I would recommend that coffee park storage signage element Just come down a little bit so that way everything's Even though it's fake It looks real if that makes sense um The only other thing I would uh, I think I have two more comments I'm not a huge huge fan of uh wood tile just personally um I'm just curious if if you guys looked at um, you know actually using you know redwood or cedar or something Uh, or maybe thermally modified wood We we just saw a project with thermally modified wood not too long ago Instead of the tile, um, so I would You know may even actually save you a couple bucks to do that But I know maintenance is a concern right the tile is pretty low maintenance power washing call today um, so I would I would just say I would recommend a real wood But I totally understand if you would want to go with the tile and I'm not going to make you do anything different It's just more of a recommendation And then uh, the only other thing I noticed um, and this is just Me as an architect, uh, I think the restroom that's accessible from the office That has the pass through that might be an ADA violation um So you may want to consider flipping the door that goes from the office into the restroom Just don't want you to get it hung up and plan check But I don't think that meets code And are you concerned about the clearance in front of the toilet? Is that what you think? Yeah, yeah, the clearance in front of the toilet. Yeah in california. You got to have that 48 inches clear Yeah, I think we did it right to the limit. So okay, cool. Yeah, just it's just a I don't think we would add that to the conditions. It was just more of a I don't want you to get it hung up and plan check Why something small like that? We could always flip the door. Did you say flip the door? Yeah, I just said flip it Yeah, so that way it opens into the office and then you're done. Yeah problem solved Other than that, uh, this is one of the most uh, complete packages For a self storage facility. I've ever seen the sequel documentation is insane I was looking through it. Um, so just really great job from your applicant team Uh Yeah, there's a lot here um for something really simple. So I really appreciate it. Thank you very much for a great package I think that's make what makes it easier for us to say. Oh, well, this is great. Oh, this little tiny detail over here Um, photometrics are great the whole thing. So really appreciate a really complete package and Going after the checklist and everything. So thank you it just Want to know on that comment the door can swing into the water closet clear space To comply condition just in case So you won't have anything else um Do we have any Oh, let's see We need a vote I I think we need to I would like to work on a condition around the north and east elevations Okay Yeah, and I I would like to just include a consider You know on that that ceramic tile As well just make it simple All right And the the door what I don't know if anybody else agrees on the the door thing The fake door the overhead door condition. I don't know if anybody else agrees. What should we condition that? As well Ernest saying yes No, I that was that was a good idea. Um I would I would support a consider for both of those Both of those items If someone like to state this Mike you want to take the the elevation one and I'll take the other two. Yeah um I would like to I'd like to approach the north and the Shall provide Additional stucco wall section On the north elevation including The addition of stucco wall section at the east corner Of the wall elevation Returning to the east elevation Do we need to Do we need to articulate that you can't just turn the whole thing into stucco? I think uh, maybe maybe for the next maybe to close up the resolution say, um Create A pleasing rhythm of stucco And metal siding god, I wish warren could have crafted that He would love the rhythmic part Yes Did you type it amy? I was I want to make sure though that I have this right So are we just going with the last sentence create? No, that was the second that that was an additional sentence. Yeah Okay, so I have most of it, but I have one question So what I have is shall provide additional stucco wall section on the north elevation Including The Return east corner return. No actually in including The north or the east end of the north elevation Including the okay east end of the north Elevation returning to the east elevation Back in room seven. We just used to sit at a table and sketch this stuff and say Go have fun. It's different Okay, so shall provide additional stucco wall section on the north elevation Including the east end of the north elevation returning to the east elevation And then the second sentence is create a pleasing rhythm of stucco and metal siding Perfect. Okay Should section be plural? Please make section plural Michael did you get the uh I guess the south elevation returning to the east As well as part of that or no because there's like a Like a foot a foot ish between the flooring store and the i'm okay over there That's yeah to me that whatever's going to happen over there that flooring stores It you know parcel's not the scale of the other parcels. So i'm okay with that Ernest did you have something? No Did you say something about the door? Yeah, I have two considers which I think will be easy um So I would just say consider alternate material choice In lieu of Wood look ceramic tile So if they want to change it they can change it and then staff, you know, they're not beholden to Or if they want to keep it the same And then the other one would be uh consider Consider alignment Of a roll-up doors Hang on. Let me try this again consider consider Roll up door header alignment Sorry, let me try this again. Sorry No, I got it consider roll-up door alignment below coping cap On south elevation East East side of the building East east end east end of the building not east side east end. I think that should do it Vice chair. I have it. I just want to make sure I think I missed a word. So consider roll-up door alignment Roll-up door header alignment roll-up door header alignment below coping cap Below adjacent coping cap That's a good way to do that I know it's a little nitpicky. It just Looks silly to me cope and cap coping cap adjacent coping cap Cap flashing coping cap. Okay Yeah on south elevation East end east end of the building east end of south elevation I would say east end east end of south elevation. Okay Okay, thank you Would someone like to modify the resolution I'll do it Uh, I move to accept the friendly amendments as read And vic I accept and I approve Did you second I accept and approve. Okay. Thank you Now we'd like to do a vote board member birch I Board uh board member libtak I Board member with rich I Vice chair weigel I Chair drones carter I So that was moved by board member libtak and seconded by board member birch and that motion passes with Five eyes and two absences Thank you very much for your time today Please note that the action is final unless a lip an appeal is filed with a planning and economic development department within 10 calendar days of today's decision pursuant to zoning code 20 dash 62 0.030 This meeting of the design review board is now adjourned