 Welcome to another episode of In the Zone. I am your host, Chris Broussard. We've got another really great show for you today. We had none other than LeVar Ball in the house right here on this very chair for an interview along with his middle son, Lee Angelo Ball, who is in this year's draft. So we had a great conversation with them. Of course, as always, another exciting, intense debate with me and Jason McIntyre in knockdown J, but first, I'm going to hit you with this week's top five. And look, we're all talking about. We're all wondering. We're all deliberating over where will LeBron James play next season. Not where I think he's going. It's where I would like to see him go most. So at number five, the fifth place I'd like to see him go will be the Houston Rockets. They're very close. You know, they took the Warriors to seven games. You give them LeBron James and on paper, you would think they get on the hump over the hump. But here's the issue to get LeBron. It probably has to be an elaborate sign and trade with the Cleveland Cavaliers that would cost you even if Cleveland's willing to do it, but it could cost you Eric Gordon. It could cost you Trevor, not Trevor Reza, but PJ Tucker. You lose a lot of your roleplayers, some of your shooters. It wouldn't quite be the same team. And that's assuming they could even bring back Clint Capella. So this Houston team might look differently, but you would do it for LeBron James to have him with Chris Paul and James Harden. Number four, the Los Angeles Lakers. And again, this is where I think he'll end up. But for me, it would be the fourth place I'd like to see him go. And we don't know who he goes with, but if he goes with Paul George, there's certainly a contender. Even if that's all they have, if he goes with Paul George and Chris Paul. So say they sign Chris Paul and LeBron and then trade even maybe before they trade for Paul George. Get rid of some of those young guys. Lonzo Ball, maybe Brandon Ingram, some others throwing a contract to make it work financially and they get Paul George. That's something special. That's something that would be exciting. Third on the list, another Western Conference team, San Antonio Spurs. Now here's why I'd like to see him in San Antonio. All the players that LeBron is compared with historically, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, Shaquille O'Neal, Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. They all had all-time great coaches that led them to either all of their championships or most of their championships. LeBron James has never had that with all due respect to Eric Spolster, Tai Lu, all the coaches he's played for good coaches, but never had an all-time great coach like the guys he's compared to. San Antonio, obviously you get that with Greg Popovich. We see how Greg Popovich makes the most out of role-players, Patty Mills, Danny Green, Matt Bonner, Gary Neal at one point. I mean, guys that don't shine elsewhere shine on the Spurs. You give them LeBron James, Kawhi Leonard, assuming they worked that out, of course, and Lamarcus Aldridge. And I guarantee, guarantee that LeBron James will win at least one more title. Number two, the Boston Celtics. There's a number of reasons to go here, one of which is that you stay in the Eastern Conference. If LeBron James goes to Boston, they're definitely in the NBA finals. No ifs, ands or buts about it, barring injuries. And here's the thing, LeBron would extend his streak of straight finals to nine, which is incredible, and 10 overall. And when he's talked about chasing the ghost of Michael Jordan, he's obviously not going to be undefeated in the finals. Who knows if he can win six titles? You've also got a great front office that you know is going to continue to improve the team because they'll be committed to it and they have the assets to do it. You've got a great coach we all know in Brad Stevens. You've got great young players and older veterans like Gordon Hayward. Al Horvath now, unfortunately, you'd have to trade Kyrie Irving because we know he really doesn't want to play with LeBron James. That's why I left Cleveland in the first place. But I would be willing to do it as much as I like Kyrie to get LeBron James. And at number one, the place I would most like to see LeBron James go. Not saying he goes here, but where I would like to see him go most, the Philadelphia 76ers. You could argue Boston's a better fit. I do think Boston is a more seamless fit, you know, because Ben Simmons and LeBron, you know, how do they work together? But I personally would like to see them try because you got the great big man in Joel Embiid. Ben Simmons can run the point and I was told LeBron would be willing and even like to play off the ball if he had a teammate who could make plays for other guys, not just for himself, but for other guys. Ben Simmons can do that. Philadelphia has the size, the athleticism and they have the shooting to compete with a golden state in the finals. I would love to see that. So those are the top five places I would like to see LeBron James go. Man, it's an honor to have one of our best guests of all time. LeBron LeVar Ball, that's what I'm talking about. And LeAngelo Ball, the middle son. And I know everybody wants to hear from your dad. I want to start with you. Lanzo obviously playing in the NBA, we know a lot about him. Lamello seems to be the most colorful personality of the three, is that fair? It comes off that way, you know, and people know about him. Tell me about yourself. You seem to be, I don't know if you're the quietest, but you're the least well known in my opinion. So tell us about yourself. I'm not quiet like that. When I get to know people, they always tell me I'm funny and stuff, and they say I'm the funniest. So I don't know, I guess when I warm up, that's how I am. What, what, your game, we know what Lanzo plays like. What is your game like, your basketball game? Well, I look at myself as a pure scorer. Like me and Zo play way different. He been getting people involved, love passing, enhancing other people around him. But when I play, that's why I feel like I'll do good with him. Because if I let a scorer and he let it give people the ball, I mean, it's going, it's going to work out. Now, you, you are a shooter. That's what I do know that about you. What about your, you know, mid-range game off the dribble, going to the hole? You know, things finishing at the rim, how's that? I have all the, I mean, I take what they give me, and most of the time they sagging off or whatever. So I'm going to shoot it if you're not fully on me. So that's how I play. But I could do the other stuff. Like if you running up, running out on me crazy, I'm going to go around you and stuff. Okay, okay. So what, how, I know you're in the draft. How confident are you, because you've seen, you guys have seen people saying you might not get drafted and things like that. What, how confident are you that you're going to get drafted? I'm confident in myself knowing that. I'm going to get picked. I mean, I've been working out for this all my life. So it's not going to shock me or whatever. What do y'all hear from teams? Like after the Lakers work out, did they talk to you, did they say anything? No, I didn't talk to them too much. So I did good. Okay. Stuff like that. If you don't get drafted, would you play in the JBA, the Junior Basketball Association, the NAS League? You wouldn't play in that. G-League, would you look at the G-League or overseas or? Yeah, I play in the G-League and nobody got me. Okay. Or some league this summer. Something to do to get into the NBA. Now what about overseas? Would that be a possibility again? I'm not looking forward to going back overseas. Hopefully I get picked. If not, get on a G-League maybe or something like that. G-League would be the second option. Now overseas, I read that you did well. I can do good over there. I'm just saying, yeah. The lifestyle is just different. That was different over. Nothing to do in Lithuania except ball. Yeah, there you go. When y'all went over there, I thought it was, you know, obviously it was, you know, it was some people criticizing, some people said it was good. I thought there were negatives, but I also thought there were positives because I know how they play over there. And I felt like you could learn, both you and Lamello could learn a lot over there about that would prepare you better for the NBA than college or high school. I picked up some stuff from over there as far as like coming off of screens and stuff, being more physical. Just stuff you want to get in college really because it's more of a pro type of style. What type of year you think you would have had at UCLA? If I were to play, I would have had a great year. I mean, everywhere I go, I feel like I'm going to do the best. I mean, that's what I trained for. I'm not going to say I'm going to have a bad year. What type of year? I know you won a 30 points, something like that anyway. NCAA title. You know what, it started off wrong. But when you recruit him, he's supposed to be wearing number three just because your other guy stayed there. Now he's wearing number three. Now you can't wear number two. You can't wear his brother's number either because somebody else got it. So basically you guys are telling me you're nothing from the get-go. I'm looking at his raggedy. Second thing is you got him coming off the bench. Boy, he's supposed to be starting. How are you not starting the best shooter on the team? So I knew it wasn't going to last because I was going to be furious from like, you guys acting like this boy can't play. He's a pure scorer. I mean, you got J.J. Reddick playing for the Clippers. He wasn't the most athletic when he was starting. Why? Because he's a shooter. You can shoot and put the ball on the hole and you prove that you're the best shooter in practice or whatever. Don't act like you're going to start all these other guys. So you were killing in practice. Yeah, I was doing good in practice. Why do you think, because Jello is ranked lower than the other sons? Why is that? Well, the ranking is bogus. I mean, you ranked Lonzo high because he did what? Went to a devious nation, went to these other political things. I don't have Jello go to none of those. How do you not rank this boy high? And he won, he the only guy that won 60 games in a row on the best team? Best scorer in the nation? And you don't rank him, you rank him 200 or something? Who else got a resume like him? When Lonzo wasn't there and Jello still won another 37 games, lost only three. And you're telling me and leading the team and scoring for four years in a row? And he not ranked higher than that? Because he doesn't do the political thing and go to a devious nation and go to McDonald's on American and all this? That's fine. So now you're going to give him this ranking. Look at the folks that's ranked. They're not better than him. Not even close. Now, I know obviously you want to play basketball. I'm going to throw this out because Shannon Sharper said it. And we've seen, you might know where I'm going. I don't know if he asked you this or undisputed. We've seen great basketball players decide to play football. Tony Gonzalez, you know, play basketball in college. Decide to play Antonio Gates. Decide to play tight end in football. You were tight end, right? Yes. In football. Would you ever consider that if basketball doesn't work out? Would you ever consider starting to work out as a football? Because you were you 240 something like that? 215. Oh, 215? Okay. But that's you still maybe receiver. Would you ever consider football? No, I've been training basketball my whole life. Y'all never played football. I'm cold at football. Oh, so? I got hands. That's why I mean, I'll be nice if I understand. I like basketball better. I play basketball my whole life. Okay. So I'm trying to stay over here. All right. I got you. Now the shoes, man, I said these look, these are the best big baller brand, best looking ones I've seen. These are yours, right? What did they call it again? G3 Lux. G3 Lux. All right. $4.95. That's the price for big baller than $5. Those are fresh though. I like those. All right. So how did Lanzos and Lamello shoes sell? Their shoe sell what? Very good. Okay. Very good, man. All my boy triple B's is the new thing. They all going to sell good. Each shoe is going to get better than the next on the fact that we're going to make them better and better. We started off with zoe. And now our folks is like, ooh, mellow shoes, killing zoe shoe. Now, jello shoes, killing all of them. So we're going to get better as we keep doing this. And the styles are going to get better, and we're just going to get better at what we're doing. Well, speaking of getting better, you know the big talk around town, really around the country, basketball wise. LeBron James, everybody thinks he's coming to the Lakers. You said he's coming to the Lakers. He's coming to the Lakers. Like I said, you can start calling L.A. Braun. I said that a long time ago. Okay. Who else coming? Paul George. Who's coming with you? Who cares? Paul George. Paul George want to come. He wants to come. Do you want Paul George? Who don't want to come to L.A.? I want everybody. See, whoever want to come, come. Lonzo ain't going to do nothing but make them all better. All right. So he's going to make LeBron James better. LeBron James is already pretty good. Lonzo will make him better. How's he going to make him better? That's what he does. Lonzo makes everybody better around him. Look at the Lakers, man. Brandon Ingram had his best career. Well, this was in a short career. Hold on. Junior's Randall. Best ever. That's true. Lonzo. Kyle Kuzma. He went to Utah in here about it. Come over here with Lonzo. Rookie of the year. All them guys that got drafted from UCLA, you'll hear nothing about him. Well, I could. Lonzo ain't that no more. You mean TJ Leaf, EK, you hear about nobody? All right. He makes everybody better. He's been doing that all his life. So you don't think you put Jello on the Lakers. Lonzo going to be better and Jello going to be better. Well, all right. You say you, Lakers say, Lonzo needs to get stronger and he needs to shoot better. I'm bringing you a stronger and a better shooter. Have you told that to Magic? I told that to everybody. So how often do you talk with Magic? Every now and then, every once in a while, you know. But we've got a great relationship, man. Like I said, at least they will listen to some of the input that I have. I know more about my boys and the way they play more than anybody. So you can take what I'm telling you or not. You want to be successful? My boys been winning a long time. They do win. So you think, because last year when you said, you know, Lonzo not playing enough in the fourth. Luke's lost the team. Luke Walton. Everybody, a lot of people felt like including myself, you know, man, Magic got to talk to LeVar. What are you going to tell me? I'm a grown man. So he never reached out to like. You don't have to. Magic, you don't do his thing. The media going to flip it sideways and you need to go talk to him. You don't need to do nothing. He ain't mad. You've never gotten any hit. We've never gotten any hit. He never was butting his. Because I'll tell you what. Magic is two things. A businessman and a winner. Ball boys are good for business. And we win. Like you put them expectations out there if you don't put them out there. You don't have no goals. You're supposed to win 50 games in a way. I put 50 out there on the fact that you have 80 games in a season. I know my boys better than winning that 40. 50% wins. You've never been a 50% winner. You're always above that. So I figured he can squeeze out 10 more games somewhere without getting hurt. But if you don't know how to play, he been playing through high school. Never been sucked. College played a whole game. Don't play him six minutes here. Rest him for 10 minutes. Score 100 miles an hour again. Take him out. Put him in. That's new to him. And it's like, man, you got me going 100 miles an hour. Then sit me down for 10, 15 minutes. Then bring me in the last quarter. Just let me play 12 minutes last quarter without bringing me out. And watch. Up 20, we're going to stand in front. Down 20, we're going to come get you. He's a winner. He's going to win. And that's why when I talked about the excuse for the Lakers was their very young team. I said, okay, now you got to put the blame on yourself, too. Now, Lucas, you're a very young coach. And if you don't just blame them, it's a young man's game. You got all the young horses. I said, Lucas losing the team on the fact that people were coming to the sideline without high-fiving each other. Two things are going to happen when I said that. One is, he's not going to do the job. They're going to bring somebody else in. Or they're going to band together and say, whoa, we're going to ride for our coach. And we're going to play together. And then they found out that, guess what? You got to have a general. And he found out that Lonzo was the general. That's why they started doing better. And that's why the games that Lonzo missed, they didn't look good at all. But you say, you know, okay, Lonzo's the guy. Not Brandon, not Julius, not Kuzma, not, I ain't saying the best on the team. I'm saying the guy that relates to everybody. Show you how good Lonzo makes people. Larry Nance and Clarkson look very good at the Lakers. You was like, man, that's the coldest suckers ever. We got a great trade. They go to the Cleveland. They over in Cleveland looking raggedy. I don't know. Put them in the lead. LeBron didn't make them no better. Nance had a few moments, but LeBron didn't make them no better. Lonzo will make them look like they're gonna go. Because Lonzo makes players better than LeBron does. Yes, you can tell. That's his gift to make everybody better. Not just giving them the ball at the right time, but his demeanor that allows them to be easy going and flowing. Just be like, man, this guy right here. I want to play with him. Everything I hear from the teammates is that Lonzo's a great guy. We know he's got a great relationship with Kuzma. Do you talk to the players? Because obviously you said things and people are like, wow, how's that going to sit in the locker room? Do you have any relationship with the other Lakers and things? I don't have a relationship with any of the guys, but sometimes after the game I'll talk to them. And it's all good. Even like I told, I told Julius a long time ago, man. When he was coming off the bench, I said, you need to be starting. But hanging there, they're gonna need you for the playoffs, man. That's what I told him way back in the day. Just like Nance and Clarkson and all that, man. I look at Clarkson and I'm like, when he's with the Lakers, why are they playing him at the one? And no team in the NBA is going to play him at the one. He wanted to score. You're taking Lonzo's minutes, flipping in and out. I was like, there's too many people trying to do Kyle Kuzma, Rando, the other big guy. And Nance, there's too many people in one spot. So I was like, I said, Nance and Clarkson ain't got to go and they end up going. And people looking at me like, whoa. And I said, Julius Rando got to start. He ended up starting and balling out of control. So yeah. And then I said, you know what? Lopez, and Lonzo was the only one to got him to play down that post. He was seven feet. He loved to shoot threes. I ain't saying don't shoot no threes. But you need more time down low. That's why the second half they did better. Because he wasn't taking on those threes. Lonzo, you get down and I give you the ball. And that's why he's like, they can't stop me. No, they can't stop. Big shoulders down low. Take a three every now and then. Do you, do you think Luke's a good coach? What do you think of Luke as a coach? Luke is a good coach. I ain't got nothing. Me either was like, Oliver don't like Luke. I like Luke. He's a good coach. But he had to, he was trying to please too many people. Okay. You can't do that. You got to have a rotation. You can't just be in all these games trying to figure out how you're going to, are we going to do good this time? We're going to do, I don't have a set rotation. There's usually about seven, eight guys. Anybody else want to play? We up 30. You in. We down 30. You in. But understand that he didn't know who his guy was. Should it be Brandon? Should it be Julius? Should it be Brooke? Should it be anybody? But it should be Lonzo, the guy coming in. But now he understands the general is Lonzo. Get a ball to Lonzo. And let him make the decisions at the end. If he's going to shoot or pass you the ball to shoot. Now, like you said, Lonzo is obviously great with the ball in his hands. LeBron has been a guy that's got the ball in his hands a lot. How would that dynamic work? Would LeBron have to more play off the ball? LeBron has never played with nobody like my son, which is, Lonzo get the rebound. And before you think about dribbling, he going to throw it to the other end, knowing LeBron can out catch anybody. So LeBron, I'm just going to get on the wing. And then LeBron has got that IQ to like, Lonzo, damn, Lonzo's over there. I just got the rebound. He'll be like, oh shoot, Lonzo. Now, you've got both of them throwing these long passes. They used to throw these long passes with him and Dwayne Wade. Then they put him on the highlights. And I said, man, they playing just like my boys. Look at this. Look at this wonderful pass right over the top. Oh my God, touchdown. Should be doing that all day at Chino Hills. If I as you look in the camera and give a, your recruiting pitch to LeBron, James, to the Lakers. My recruiting pitch to LeBron, James, is if you want to do what's best for his career, you can't win three or four championships in Cleveland. To make you better than Michael Jordan, you have to say you've won a championship every team you've played on in the NBA. That makes you the best player ever. So if you want to come play with one of the best players ever, which is going to be Lonzo Ball and LeAngelo Ball, that's all we need. Zo, Jello, LeBron, championship. Do you think LeBron is better than Jordan? LeBron is better than Jordan? Yeah, yeah. But Jordan is the best of all times because of the winning. But as a player. But as a player going to go on at each other, man, they're always going to say whoever wins the most is going to be the best. That boy been to the finals every time and never lost. That makes you the best. Me one-on-one never lost. That makes me the best. Now you say at one-on-one you could be Jordan. What about LeBron? LeBron, I kill him too. My hate day, he too slow. I was way stronger than these guys. I mean, they lightweight. 270, benching 500 pounds. Jumping out to gym, 48-inch vertical with ease. So I know in my drive to win one-on-one, can't nobody beat me. So if LeBron goes to the Lakers next year? Yes. Regardless of who else is there? How do they finish the year? If LeBron goes to... You do not give my sons the best player in the world. I don't think they're going to win a championship. That's too easy. So next year championship? Next year championship. Next year championship. You need Jello though. You gotta have that dead eye shooter on the side. That's just going to be like, you know what? We're going to win. We're going to stop people and we're going to win. Jello? He'd have been like, yo, let me get Katie. And Alonso will be ready to double team at all times. And then we'll let LeBron roam and do his thing. And we're going to get steals and they lock up the people. They should have let me coach. They would have had a better chance of winning. You want to coach? What? You want to coach the Lakers? The only way I coach the Lakers, like I said before, the only way I coach them are three of my boys there. And I'm only going to coach them one year, just to show them how good I am. Now, chances are, if all three of your boys make the NBA, chances are they're going to be on different teams. Oh. You know that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Come on. Chances are coming in the league with his own brand. What's the chances of that? Sling none. Who's in there like that? Your boy. I'll tell you what, I make so much money, man. These triple Bs, you know what I'm saying? Billion, billion, billion. I buy my own goddamn team and go scoop them all up. How's that? All right. Well, speaking of teams, you got the JBA. Yes. Lamello's playing in that. Yes. That starts in two weeks? Yes. Less than two weeks. Okay. On the 21st, June 21st, you can go to JBAleague.com and get the schedule. Now, the players, I know you wanted to be a league for guys that rather than have to go to college, they can just come out and get ready. Okay. R.D., is that the type? Because I know most of the top high school players going straight to college this year. What kind of players do you have? I got the best players on the fact that I got 64 kids and every one of them got a story. They're hungry. Some vices stopped them from doing whatever to get to that one kid, man. I got a kid. I don't know his name. Six, seven. Jump out the gym. Shoot the jumper. His mom didn't turn in the paperwork that you have to have to go to college. Where were you going to go? I don't know. I was just like, I ain't never seen anything. I'm just watching him practice and play, man. I got another kid. Sometimes he'd be thinking about some bad things. For example, he's about 16. You'll see him on the L.A. team. He can shoot, run, play like Brandon Ingram. Just a natural. But sometimes he had these vices. I think he had a sister died or something. So sometimes he gets in that low and be like, God dang. And I could see him doing that in class and people saying he don't give an F because he's not paying attention. But he loved that game of basketball. So you got to go to Juco. He had about, they said 40 teams that wanted him when he was in high school. He's 6'10. He can shoot the three and run. Don't get tired jumping. Another kid is, I think he's better than Trey Young. Oh really? 5'10. You cannot stay in front of him. Got the floater. He got it all. He from Oaktown. And me and little buff sucker boy. But he's going to play with Mellow. They're going to fall out loving him. He's on the LA team with Mellow. Everybody you mentioned been on the LA team. That's how you stacked the LA team. No. Then I got another kid. 6'9, about 280 out of St. Louis. He played for the Atlanta team. They call him Big Jelly. Oh my God. You see this boy. We were built. He was fact dude or something. Big country. He got them finger rolls. He got the jump puts. The jumper. He cold. He cold. I told him Zion better. Zion who? He said he don't want to see me. He big. But he could double. Oh really? How tall is he? He's 6'9. Really? What's his story? How old is he? He just turned 19. So he's a year or two out of high school? No he's getting out of high school now. Okay. He's 18. He just turned 19. So let me ask you this. He was supposed to graduate this year. He's like man I'm cool. I just want a ball man. I love it. All right. So these guys got that passion man. And like I said some of them had these other vices which not going to allow you to play basketball because you have to go through a different lane. Now if everybody been going this way to the club and I go to the back door and say hey now y'all can get in here. A few people can go to the back and say hey that's the thing you know. Everybody can go that way. Then I open another club. That's what this is with the JBA. Well I was going to ask you about your boys. Lamello and Jello. Why not go with them just the traditional route as far as finishing up high school one year in college. And you say UCLA didn't start out well from the get go. But you know with Jello because a lot of people have said why not just have him go through high school get recruited and play one year college. Because we are the big ballers. We do things our way. If things don't work out this way we do something else and keep on moving. We was only there for one and done anyway. Like the guys that whatever happened with Jello we had to do something different. Sometimes you got to take a step back and go forward. So check this out. Jello is the biggest name in the draft. On the fact that the NCAA is not going to allow you to get this big because they are going to promote their university. But Jello I mean he worldwide on the fact that he took some sunglasses. Everybody in the world know him. So his name is out there. He got his own show. Ball in the family got his own gear. G3 played overseas. I mean the NCAA were not allowed you to get that big. We went to a foot locker commercial man. Jello is going to be in it. How is this guy in it? Are you going to do a foot locker commercial? Already done. With foot locker? I thought you said you weren't going to put them in stores. The shoes. The shoes are not in stores. So it's going to be in the commercial. How? And he ain't supposed to be drafted? With foot locker? We already did it. We already did the commercial. You'll see it when it comes out. When is it coming out? It's coming out doing the draft. All right. Just like Laws will do it. Balls are good for business. Shoot he ain't even in the top 10. He ain't in there longer than everybody. Now I've said this. I obviously like you. But some people feel you know they don't like your antics. You know and all that. I have said that I think your sons, they need to be good enough in the NBA to outweigh the distraction that you bring. Whether good or bad, it's the distraction. The distraction is for you guys. The distraction ain't to my boys as you see they keep on rolling. Well I mean for the team. No distraction for the team? Like Tebow. People felt like Tim Tebow, he was a distraction just because he was so popular. You know people like well he should be playing. He should be playing. And they felt like if he's not great teams don't want him. Because they don't want a backup that is a celebrity. You see what I'm saying? So I'm saying I felt like at times man the boys better be great. Because if dad is if they're coming off the bench and dad's like yo they should be starting. They should be averaging 20 it could be you know that could keep them out of the league. Because people just wouldn't want that distraction. Have you ever thought about that or what your feelings are? You know what? My boys are going to go where they're supposed to be. And they're going to line up. They've got great work ethic. And the determination for them to get on the team somebody going to believe in them. And so wherever they land that's where they're supposed to be. And like I said there's no distraction on that part. If you believe in them you don't worry about that. But my boys are superstars all of them. So they're winners. They're going to win. Like I said Lonzo being a distraction me being a distraction that's nothing. People have the inside to make the decisions. They know what my boys is about and it's about that winning. And they're very good at what they do. Which is play basketball. And a lot of people as some time haters that's the ones who be like well he's getting too much there's too much there. Lonzo was the most talked about rookie ever. On the fact that I say he's the greatest ever and he's the best in this and everybody won't be like oh the board is talking. But whether it happens or not like being rookie of the year. I say it's going to be rookie of the year but why wouldn't I say that. You're the best player. It was some good rookies this year. All right. Donovan Mitchell Ben Simmons. Here's what makes you a good rookie. You got to do something after that. Then they can talk about you as a rookie here. You know who's a rookie. Exactly. You know who's. Brogdon. Malcolm Brogdon. Who? Milwaukee. What's the name though? Is he the lead? I don't know. I'm just saying that's how relevant rookie of the year is. That's a good point. You could talk about rookie of the year when you talk about magic and the championship and he had that one game where he won the championship. He did some things as a rookie but who cares about rookie of the year. It's just a good momentum on your chest. What did you think Elizo's rookie year? I thought it was great. Check this out man. The boy got 10, 7 and 7. That's as bad as he going to get. He going to do up a go up from there. He going to do up a go up. I'd rather have him like Donahue Mitchell and Tatum. They better make them playoffs every year now. Rookie of the 80 today. Let's see where you go from there. Can you handle all that? Let's start at the bottom and everybody dogging you out. As opposed to starting at the top, everybody talking about how good you are and then you're not starting doing too good. You start falling down. Then you start second guessing yourself. I'd rather have Lonzo do the worst he ever did the first time coming up and go up from there. As opposed to being the best and then you don't hear about him no more. Now I don't know what he shot. What do you shoot from the free throw line at UCLA? It wasn't that bad, right? It wasn't that good. He wasn't at the free throw line. I was surprised how much he struggled at the free throw line. He was just throwing the ball up there. They don't know how to tell him Lonzo. This is how they coach Lonzo like this. He Lonzo, you just got to repetition. It's okay, settle down. Me, I would have told him, put the ball in the hole and quit f-ing around. If you don't play, play. I don't even do nothing but let somebody else just pass the ball, man. They don't do him like that. I know you've said publicly they need to coach him hard. Have you said that to them privately? I told them stop, baby. I said, there's a way. But if that's not in you like that, he responds to that because that's the way I got him. I don't respond to him like, hey, well, Lonzo, what do you think, man? You're going to be all right. Steve Alfred a little more mild manner. I told him when he went to Australia, I said he was raggedy because you never got on him for taking him raggedy shots and doing that stuff. You tell him go out there and get a win. And he'll go out there and get it. But you got to let him go out there and get it. Now, what's he working on? The jump shot is what everybody was saying. His form is going to stay the same. His form is definitely going to stay the same. Everybody who shoots the ball, I think out of all these great shooters, nobody shoots the same. Raggedy Miller is like a push shot. Let it bird on the side of his face. Jamal Wilkes around here. I can do push. I mean, everybody perfect your shot. The one thing I wondered, because I agree with you, from three, you shoot the way you shoot, but the mid-range off the dribble, which a lot of guys don't do that anymore. His mid-range. But that was the one thing I wondered, when he's on the mid-range, if he's got to swing it around. No, his mid-range is a nice jump shot. It's on the right side. Is that a different form? He shoots a different shot when he shoots the mid-range. He's always did like that. So that's not, that won't be a problem. Here's the thing. When he's with his brother, he more relaxed the ball won't drop in, because when they go to 24, they ain't hanging together. Anytime they're together, he don't miss those shots, because he's at ease. Can you imagine him going to practice every day with his brother? So anything going wrong or whatever, he lean on. What are you going to say if everybody else is like, man, you heard what your dad said. He got his brother. They crazy. They thinking about this. He going to have a great time with Jello. It's a lot of things Lonzo got going on. Clothing, his brand, about to have a baby. And if you're just writing by yourself all the time, you're going to talk about that stuff. You're going to call me and be like that. This is on my mind. You're going to toughen it out. You're going to do your thing. But just like Zoe with the tattoos. I didn't know he got tattoos, but Lonzo told me before he must have known he was like that. I'm about to get a tattoo. I was like, I don't do that son. Leave that stuff alone. You know, he got him. Then I found out why he got him. He said, I don't want you that mad at Jello. I want to say I got him first. So you got tattoos first. Yeah. And you didn't tell him. Yeah. So why didn't you tell your dad? I know he didn't like him. I knew he was going to see him eventually. I just didn't know when. So then Lonzo got him because Jello got him. The support is. I don't want you mad at both of them. Like I was furious and Lonzo called me. And he said, you know what dad? At the end of the day, we still family. So you could be mad. Now I was over in Lithuania when I saw him. So I'm like, you know what? I don't want to be over here and him trying to play ball. And now he walking around with me. My dad's disgusted at me. So now I say son, come here. Let me see why you put them on there. Because you ain't know. Tattoos have a story to tell. What story are you going to tell in Chino Hills? That you was on a river and hanging in the street. I mean you ain't talking nothing tough. So I'm like. But his reasoning for putting on that on his chest. Looking like a wild man. He looks down and everybody's doubting him. And he been in, he look at it like the lion. Being in the situation over in China or whatever. Okay. So he got prevailed and his buddy had died. I'm just like, okay. He was like, I got a star with his mom's initial and me over here. And I was just like, well, maybe you have to look at that every day to get you to say, you know what? I ain't listening to what nobody's saying, man. I'm going to do my thing. So that's all on your chest? It's all there. You got sleeves? Because people say, I've talked to NBA players. They say they had one or two and was like, yeah, I'm just going to get one more. But people say they're addictive. The next thing I know, they got sleeves. They are. I got them before he got his sleeves. You told them. I told them. No more. Lonzo got them here. Next thing you know, he got born the ball here. And he got it here. There you go. I said, yo, Zo, I know you don't want to hear this, son. But that's enough. We're not that. That's enough, man. I said, there's a reason everybody don't get endorsement deals from doing it. They all tatted up and that's not for that. You can't do it with no baby in the hospital all tatted up with your arms and stuff. Now, Jello got the ones on his stomach. And then I had to give him the heart. Show them that other one, man. See? Tell them what to say, man. Okay, that's a line. That's nice. That's a line with the ball built for this, built for this. So you know what I told him? Lighten my salvation. Okay, whom shall I give? I said, son, that's enough. I gotta tell you to stop now, before you get it on your neck and on your arms. But I told him, I said, hey, son, both y'all. You done? Done. I told him they done. I said, man, no more. I know he wants something on his arms or something like that, man, on his back or something. But I'm like, no, that's enough, son. I told him in that. I said, yo, I know y'all grown men. Y'all your own guy. But listen to me, son, that is enough. Because like you said, you're going to get one. You're going to get two. You're going to keep going. This is what it is. That's what people have won. And I've wondered, so at what point is there every time when we're thinking lines or at this point, because he's the adult, you know, making his own money, has his own job. Can he come to you and say, I want to do something differently or I don't, you know what I mean? Like disagree with you basically. He's not going to come to me and say, I want to do something different. It's just going to do it. Like I don't like tattoos. You wouldn't did it anyway. So people talk about be your own man. Are they own man? All I can do is advise them and they're going to do what they want to do anyway. So I don't, I just be like, nah, son, you shouldn't do this just because of this. I tell them, my dad ain't got no tattoo. I ain't got no tattoo. But you know the fact I don't like them. You go get them anyway. What else can I do? Still my son. Can't knock you out. I told you don't get them, but you still got them. You know, lines are the same thing. But I can tell them like, hey man, don't do that no more. They might take that and be like, okay, I don't do them all. So that's a revelation to a lot because a lot of people feel like Lonzel was just doing everything you said. You know what I mean? But why wouldn't Lonzel do the things that I've taught him if I'm the one who bred him like that? So his likings are the same as my likings. So if I've always steered him the right way, why would he go negative on me now? See man, my dad's always had me do the right thing. So there's no second guessing if I've been 20 years right. Did he ever come to you during the season? Never. And say, dad, you shouldn't have said that. I don't have that type of son. I don't have that type of son. Does he even say anything about it? What are you going to say about it? He knows how we roll. We roll together. He don't come off. Don't be complaining. Don't be doing nothing to me. But he's not like that. He's fine. You guys on the outside is like, oh, it's got to be bothering him. It's got to be this. You know, like I was telling him about the training. I was just talking to Shannon Sharp. He said, you can't run no heels during the season. We did that when we was playing. See, no heels. Never get hurt. Condition your legs and do all this running. You don't do no running like that. So you felt like the, because there was talk that Lanzo was out of shape, you know, early in the season, he's the stamina. You felt they weren't pushing him hard enough. It wasn't pushing him hard enough on the fact that you're not doing no conditioning. You ain't doing no strength training with no real weights. You're doing rubber band training with the balls. Just like they was talking about the trainer over there. What's the name? Gunner. I said, man, you ain't trained no killers. You trained Kardashians and Celestin Sloan in Hollywood. Bounce on the rubber balls and rubber bands. I want you to see some dudes. I want to see some dudes you train that got bigger. And don't act like you're the best trainer because Julius Randall didn't train with you. Brandon England didn't train with you. Now all of a sudden my son, oh, I got a great program for him. Make no name off my son. I had him better than that when he got here. Bigger, stronger, and you can break him up now. Well, I like to work around the problem. You the problem. You a Hollywood trainer. You can go back to Hollywood. Have you ever heard your dad say something and kind of went like, ooh, wow. I wish he wouldn't have said that. Or wow, he said that. No, I already know how you talk. What he's saying got nothing to do with me, really. He's going to say what he wants to say. Now none of y'all, I don't know. I may be Lamello. I don't know if I'm wrong about Mello. You and Lanzo, though, seem quiet. At least, like you said, you're not quiet, but you don't have the public persona like your dad. Why is that? I just got to get used to people. I don't go in loving everybody like that. I mean, if I don't know you, I'm not going to. So you kind of like that with your boys and your friends. But just publicly, you know. Publicly? I mean, if you ask me something, I'm going to answer it. I'm not going to be shy or nothing, but I don't know. It's just how I am. I say the upbringing. You know, up in the South Central, it's a different breed. Chino Hills is different. If you ain't never been, you know, braggadocious, trying to be the best player in the neighborhood, there ain't really no neighborhood like that in Chino Hills. It's like, man, come on by my house. We have some dinner, get on the computer, play some video games. Whatever you want to do. But we ain't going down to the local park and all the brothers from the hood is down there. You're not going to do that. You know, and you've got to be forceful to be on the court. And when you're winning, you've got to be kind of crazy. You can't just be like, oh, we won. And when my boys were not put in that environment, but I taught them how to win and be dominant. So that's why my craziest one. Let's look how funny this is. They're so quiet and in my manner. And the wildest one don't have the tattoos. Mello was like, both of them, Dad. I know I'm the best because I'm like you. You don't have no tattoo. You got to watch those guys with tattoos. That's what Mello told me. He's something else, man. So you've always been like this when you were growing up in South Central. Yes, I was always loud. Okay. Anything else you want to say? What I want to say is everybody come to JBAleague.com on the fact that it wasn't supposed to be no league. I said, man, there's a lot of people here today for something that's not supposed to happen. You got your own league, man. It sounded like it was crazy back in December. But now it's here. And they got to learn the hard way. We're going to get some folks out of this league and they're going to look back and say, man, this dude is like in history. And that's all I'm doing. All right. Neangelo, thank you, man. Good luck with everything. Yeah, we're good. And good luck with the JBA, man. And the draft. All right, here we go with another segment of Not Down Jay. My man Jason McIntyre, good to have you in here. Great to be here again, Chris. All right, what you got for me? Make it good. You draft. You should have some good stuff. After that scintillating finals, right? I mean, geez, so much basketball to talk about. Let's start with your buddy LeBron. I don't know how you guys have him dinner anytime soon when he's out here in LA, as I've been saying for 11 months now. Yeah, you really got that scoop. Now, you strangely have LeBron as like the fourth best fit with the Lakers. No, no. I had the Lakers as the fourth place I'd like to see him go. I had nothing to do with fit. I do think he probably ends up with the Lakers because I think it's the best combination of family and winning potentially. So I think there's a lot of hypotheticals. Maybe Kawai's in play, maybe Chris Paul. For now, let's just stick with the two max slots. LeBron and Paul George go to the Lakers. That's the most likely is anyway. And, you know, you've got the ancillary players, Lonzo, Brandon Ingram, Kuzma, Josh Hart coming off the bed. We got a solid group of players there. I got to ask, they won, I believe, 35 games this past season. Is it too much of a reach? If I tell you, Chris, LeBron and Paul George make the Lakers the favorites in the West. Yes. Are you telling me that? I am telling you that. Let me, I'll give one stat before we jump in. In the modern era, no team has gone to the finals five years in a row, not the Miami Heat, not the Cavs, not the Lakers, not the Celtics, not the Pistons, not the Bulls. Nobody's done it. The wear and tear on body and mind and the dissension in the ranks. It happens everywhere. Warriors are going for their fifth straight trip to the finals next year. And we just saw them almost losing seven to a Houston team that featured wing guys like Trevor Ariza and PJ Tucker and Eric Gordon. Listen, man, they were up 11 at the half on the Warriors in game seven. I think this Lakers supporting cast is going to be good. I would make LeBron the favorite in the West next year. Let me ask you this. In the modern era, have we ever seen two teams meeting four straight finals? Or in any era, not just the modern era. I don't know. We just saw it for the first time. So it's a season of firsts. Oh, okay. So you're saying this is going to be another first. The challenge for the Warriors, if that's all the Lakers do, if they only get LeBron and Paul George, they're a contender. There's no question. And they could get there. They could. I wouldn't be shocked if they upset Golden State, but the favorite. No, the favorite is still the Golden State Warriors. Here's why the Golden State Warriors biggest opponent next year is going to be themselves. Yes. It's not anybody else. It's not even Houston as good as Houston is. As much as Houston pushed them, it is the Warriors themselves. And here's the thing. Because remember, they're all young. They're all still in their prime. And they've only won two straight. They haven't even three-peded, which we've seen several teams do. I mean, Kobe Shaq Lakers and Michael Jordan most recently. They've three-peded. So I think if LeBron and Paul George go to the Lakers, that will heal the potential lack of motivation problem. Like if they go to the Lakers, the Warriors all of a sudden are hyped. They say that, Chris, but they just loafed for the entire season. But this year, who was there? Even Houston... 65 wins? Yeah, but that was accumulating. It wasn't like initially everybody thought, oh, wow, Houston's going to be challenging them because they got Chris Paul. And they did. We didn't see till later in the season that, okay, Houston may be a really legit contender. We would know from jump LeBron and Paul George and the other players they have. The Lakers are going to be legit. Now, do I expect that to lift the Warriors to go out and win 65-70 game? No. I think they'll still somewhat cruise and maybe win 60-62 game, something like that. But come playoff time, I still think they would be the best team. Now, I'm with you anytime you get LeBron. That's true. Paul George is number two and they would have some good players. They would be up there. Yeah, by the way, a lot of disrespect of Paul George in the Twitter streets. I mean, I hate seeing people go after him. Oh, what has he done? Is he that good? Listen, man, people play with Russell Westbrook and then leave. We've seen them get demonstratively better. Okay, that happens. And you're talking about LeBron. Hold on. Paul George is not going to get much better than what he did last year. Playing with LeBron James? What do you expect him to do? 21, he shot 40% from 3. What do you expect him to do? I think he could be a better all-around player. He shot a career high from 3. Yes, career. He was a great defense. I think he could be a better player with LeBron. What else will he do? I think he could be like an all-defensive second team guy. He's that now. He's that level now. Well, he was good at defense most of the season and then they lost Cephalote, not Cephalote. Hey, Andre Robertson. Andre Robertson. And you saw him take a little step back because he had to shoulder the defensive burden and then do a lot offensively. Paul George is a great defender. He's become a very good three-point shooter. He's going to average always around 21, 22 points a game, whether he's with LeBron, Westbrook, whoever. I'm just saying he's not going to get much. He is what he is, which is a perennial all-star talent. Top 15 player in the league with you. 15-ish, yes. You're getting two top 15 guys in just one last thing. Hunger and motivation are two things we saw with the Rockets a lot. Chris Paul wanted it. James Harden for a while wanted it. PJ Tuck never wanted it. He ended up struggling in the final two games without Chris Paul. That doesn't mean he didn't want it. He didn't play that well. I mean, he was playing better early in the series. Kevin Durant had his struggles. Steph Curry had his poor games. The only one that doesn't really have bad games is LeBron James. Any superstar has seen that parade where these guys were taking shots, a lot of negative signs. LeBron's got a lot of motivation to overtake these warriors. Again, they interrupted his legacy. His entire last five years has been totally interrupted by Curry and now Durant. Of course he's going to be motivated. He wants to chase Michael Jordan. He had motivation this year. Look, I'm with you in saying the Lakers will be legit. And they will have a shot. No! I don't think anybody in their right mind would say they're the favorites. Well, I'm in my right mind, Chris. No, you're not. You're not in your right mind. That's why you're Jay Mac. You get knocked down. So do we want to move on? I think we'll go to the Celtics. No, they would be really good. They would be really good, but not the Celtics. Kyrie Irving this week making news not just because of the Flat Earth nonsense or his Uncle Drew movie. I'm looking forward to seeing Uncle Drew. You're not going to bring your son. I will see Uncle Drew. I thought you were going to say Flat Earth. Yeah, don't go there, please. I'm seeing pictures of the globe and I get it. I can't even imagine the Earth being flat. Where would the water go? What would be underneath? It feels like he's doing this to promote his movie. I don't have it studied it, but I do think Kyrie is actually intelligent. But I think there are other intelligent people that really believe this. There's a lot of that conspiracy. I don't get why. Because the Egyptians knew the Earth was circular. The Bible says the Earth was circular. Nicely done. All right, so ask for basketball. Listen, the Celtics won 55 games. Kyrie was hurt the final 20 missed the playoffs. They still went to game seven of the Easter conference finals. And now Kyrie says he's not going to sign an extension, which is understandable, given he got a lot of money. He could make a lot more money. He could lose 80 to 100 million dollars if he signed the extension. So he doesn't make sense. Exactly. So we all get that. But when this happens, there's chatter. Maybe he wants to play for the Knicks. The Jersey guy. I got to just put it to you, Chris. What do you think the Celtics should do with Kyrie? He's got one year left. I would assume the choices are trade him. But that's going to be tough because he's got to go somewhere where he's going to sign. He could control that process. Do you just wait until next year? And personally, that's my choice. I think this team, Chris, I think they're going to get to the NBA finals. I think they're going to win about 65 games with Gordon Hayward, the young guys, Kyrie. This team is loaded. Why would Boston panic now and do something foolish? The East is basically Boston and Philly when LeBron leaves, right? Unless you want to toss the Bucks in there or the Wizards. Bucks are going to be much improved with Mike Budenholzer. We'll see. We're going to be good. I think the Celtics will be the unquestioned favorites in the East. Why would you panic on Kyrie now? Just wait till you get to the finals. I don't think it's panicking because it's, look, Kyrie, it's so many factors in here. And here's the thing you did mention. When he gave the Cavaliers a list of teams he would want them to trade into. Guess who wasn't on that list? Boston. Boston. New York, San Antonio, Miami, Minnesota. Okay. Well, Kyrie's about basketball. So he saw Carly at these times. And Jimmy Butler is tight with Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Butler, you know, and so that's something you have to think of. So here's what I do. First of all, let's just get this out of the way. If LeBron James wanted to go to Boston, and I think they would be the second best place I'd like to see him go because I'd like to see him stay in the East. If he wanted to go to Boston, even you saw Kyrie's response when he was asked about that. You don't want to play with LeBron. He already did that. He was like, you know, I've seen everything in this league, whatever management does, we'll see what they do. Like he clearly didn't endorse LeBron coming there and playing with him. So I would trade Kyrie Irving. Hold on. If I could get LeBron James. Hold on a timeout. We need a timeout. We have said on this podcast all season Boston has like a 10-year window of dominance in the East. All their young guys. No, I've not. Who said that? I said that. Dominance? They're going to run the East. Have you heard of Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons? Oh, stop it. My gosh. They just trounced them in the second round. It wasn't close. No, it was Kyrie. Let me tell you how close it was. Let me tell you how close it was. Anybody that watched that series knows it could have been 4-1 the other way. It was almost 4-1, but it was not almost 4-1. They were young guys that didn't know how to win. And the Celtics were missing their best two players. Chris. Well, we don't know who's going to be their best players. Jason Tatum is going to be better than Gordon Tatum. Maybe in a few years. Maybe next year. So, Chris, why would you take on LeBron? Because it's about winning right. What would you have to give up? Kyrie Irving. That's not going to get you, LeBron. If you could do a three-team trade. Kyrie, we already showed how he's got affinity for the Knicks. So, you could send Kyrie to the Knicks, LeBron to the Celtics, and then the Cavaliers could get Assets. Okay, what Assets is Boston giving up? They could get a player, Marcus Smart, Marcus Morse. They could get a draft pick. The Celtics got draft picks galore. That's different. I didn't think that... I thought you'd have to give up Tatum or Jaylen Brown or that Kings pick. I might give up the Kings pick. That could be the number one pick next year. And I get LeBron, James, and how many picks do I need? If I get LeBron and James, I've got Jason Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Terry Rozier, Al Horford, Gordon Harrow. I mean, come on. So, in that instance, I think you already agree to that. Okay, so you don't have to give up Tatum or Brown. You don't have to. Okay, all right. I think that's a little pie in the sky. Why? Cleveland's going to be desperate. Marcus Morris? Cleveland will have no choice. It's either lose LeBron for nothing or get some good young players and more importantly, draft picks. The guys you just mentioned aren't very good. You're going to have to pay Marcus Morris. You're going to have to pay them a lot of money. They're already in the luxury tax. They're not paying Marcus Morris. Marcus Morris. And here's the thing. What's Marcus Morris? If I... It means getting draft picks, a Sacramento pick. Well, that's the thing. I don't think Danny Angel's part with that Sacramento pick. Why not? For LeBron, James, and a chance to win it right now, Danny Angel's about now. They almost just got to the finals. They were almost... Almost does not cut it. Without their too much play. That's a franchise that has 17 championship. Almost does not cut it. If Gordon Hayward and Kyrie Irving are healthy, who wins the Eastern Conference Finals that we just had? Is it about winning the East? Answer the question. I don't know what the East is going to look like. I mean, seriously. We don't know if LeBron goes to Philly. Does he go to Boston? We don't know. And I don't put them ahead of Golden State even if they get there. Now, they're going to be good no matter what, but if you get LeBron and James, you're definitely in the finals. And you don't have to risk losing Kyrie Irving for nothing. So number one, in my opinion, if I can get LeBron, I'm willing to trade Kyrie. Secondly, even... Let's say LeBron's out of the picture. I'm Danny Angel. I've got to have a heart to heart sit down with Kyrie Pronto and be like, look, I understand why you're not going to sign the extension. We get that. But are you committed long term to the selfish? He's not going to give an answer. LeBron's never given that answer. He's not LeBron James. You're not LeBron James. If he won't, I want to know. And if you can't commit, if you can't, why wouldn't you? Hold on. We got a great coach. We got a great organization. We're a good city. A good city. Like you said, we can contend for the next 10 years. So if you won't commit to that, then if I'm Danny Angel, I'm not risking losing him. We could lie and say, yeah, I'm good. But let me ask you. It was the Spurs on Kyrie's list. Yes. So what about Kyrie for Kawhi? Then I need a point guard. I would try to trade Gordon Hayward for Kawhi. There's no way. They're not giving up Hayward. Coming off the injury. Why not? Hold on. They're not giving up. Boston would not trade him. Boston would not trade him? I don't think any team's trading for Gordon Hayward coming off the injury. San Antonio and Kawhi Leonard has told me, I'm leaving. You got one more. If you want to keep me this year, I'll play it out. If not trade. I would take Kyrie over at Gordon Hayward. Yeah, but if I'm Boston, maybe I don't want to give you Kyrie. So I say, we'll give you Gordon Hayward, Sacramento pick, whatever. But that's the problem. I would rather get Kawhi. I would rather keep Kyrie. I would rather keep Kyrie. You can't lobe all the Spurs when the 76ers will chase Kawhi. We don't know if the Lakers could chase. The Houston Rockets. The 76ers is going to give you that's better than Gordon Hayward. And a number one pick. They've got draft picks. And a lottery pick from Sacramento. They've got draft picks. Do they have that? Do they have Sacramento's pick? Is he Gordon Hayward? He's not. But Dario Sarich, I mean, I don't know if you want to toss in Covington. Is he Gordon Hayward? Markel Fultz. There's options. But there's a pick. Gordon Hayward coming off a major injury. Major. I think there's a decent package that could be added. The bottom line is, I would consider trading Kawhi. I wouldn't. If I would trade him this summer. If I get LeBron, I would trade him. So you would trade him this summer. If I get LeBron, I would trade him. If it's not LeBron, I would look into it because I don't want to risk losing him for nothing. Now I'm not saying I definitely would trade him, but I would look into it. Just off the discussion. The heart to heart. I have to find out. There's no reason not to be committed to Boston. There's none. We're great historical franchise. We got great talent around you. We got a fantastic coach. Great front office. We can win. It's a great city. Like what in the world wouldn't you want? That tells me you want to go elsewhere. So instead of risk losing you for nothing, I may trade you now. I don't know. I wouldn't play it out and just say, let's see if we can win it. Because if we don't win it, Kawhi could leave. And even if you do win it, he might leave because he left Cleveland. My final counter. I know we're running out of time. It just feels like Boston's never going to go with what their group is. They're always looking to upgrade or trade. That game does that. At some point, you've got his entire front office career. At some point, though, you've got to just go with your crew. Like this group they got, can they win 65 games next year? I don't care about 65 games. And get to the finals. I care about the championship. That's what I care about. And that's what Boston cares about. Let's wrap up on this note with your new good buddy, your old good buddy, LeVar Ball. His son, who didn't make first team all rookie, came out with a diss track, for some reason. A diss track. Lonzo Ball played 51 games and he's dissing his team. You know what a diss track is? I vaguely familiar with what a diss track is. Chris, listen, initially I didn't think, okay, this isn't a big deal. And then you guys started telling me about the Kuzma Dig and his father that he doesn't know. And I started thinking about the D'Angelo Russell Nick Young, what happened with the filming and the social media. And I just, it's just not a good look for the Lakers, you know? You got all these guys getting in the gym, going on Instagram, talking about how hard they're working. Young guys, Donovan Mitchell, Victor Oladipo. And you got Lonzo Ball out here who kind of just feels fat and happy to be in the NBA and be a star. And he put down- Because he made out, made a music video? He made a diss track and a music video. Then he put a lot of time in too, clearly. Okay. I just, listen, I, you know I wrote last month on the website. I think they're gonna trade Lonzo Ball. This is added to it. And it just shows an immaturity level that I don't think the Lakers or LeBron want. Where do you stand on the diss track? Look, first of all- Look, look, look at this. If I come out with a diss track this summer about Chris Boussard. I don't think anybody can be true about it. And in the zone, I'm just like, yo, diss track. What kind of rapper would you be weird out, Yankovic? You got to hear the laughter in this room. Am I getting invited back to the podcast next year? Is that like- Yeah, well, I'd welcome you in. It'd be like push a team, right? We may get a theme, so I know how to push a team. Push a team. Team Drake. He's a legitimate rapper. Continue. All right. I'm a legitimate person. Yeah, you are. Thank you. You're a legitimate person. Okay. Not rapper, not hooper, none of that. We'll find out about the hooping, huh? We know. No, we ain't nothing to find out. All right, look. The diss track, first let me address you saying, oh, other players are working hard and Lonzo's these guys, you can't work out 10 hours a day. The hell you can't. They have no, you have other lives. LeBron James is a freaking business mogul. You think he works out as hard as anybody. You still have time for other things. Shaquille O'Neal made Kazam blue chips. Are you comparing movies to a diss track of your own teammate? No, my point is you said he should just be in the gym, not making videos as if you can't- Shaq and won titles. LeBron and won. He made Kazam. Lonzo shot 30%. Get out of the studio and get in the gym. Give me a break. Stop defending LeBron. Stop defending LeBron. You're embarrassing yourself, Chris. No. What I- Oh, you got me. That's hard to sound off. He's mad. He got me. He shut me down. Come on. Listen. All I'm saying is there are times to do other things. Okay. That's it. Kobe wrapped before he before he won a title he had the 8th Wonder Beat. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. All that. You don't know nothing about that. I don't know what to think about that. I didn't know about that dance move. Watch Get Down when you learn something about hip hop. Okay. I'll put that on the Netflix queue. Anyway. Anyway. My point is this. They have tons of time. You can do other things. So, this is nothing. So, I'm not- No. Listen to me. Stop me in the rug. Okay. I'm just saying the actual time it took to write a diss track, to make a mixtape, to make a music video. That's not a problem. That's all I'm saying. You can work hard at your game and do these other things. Now, the diss track, he and Kyle Kuzma have been boys. They've been going back all year. They have fun with each other. They live close to each other out here. They're tight. Yeah. But, so I don't have a problem with a fun-loving diss track. However, I do think it went too far when he said, you don't know your dad. So, you being suned. Now you being suned, whatever the line was. I think Lanzo thought he was being clever and you don't know your dad, but now you being suned. He thought it was a clever line. But, that was too personal. Okay, let me ask this. That hit below the bird because anybody that doesn't know their dad, I imagine it's a sore spot and it bothers you so much. Was this a reaction to something Kuzma did or he just came out of the blue? I mean, no, they just... I know they comment on stuff, but... The diss track in general, I don't, I just think that one line went too far. Now, maybe Kuzma doesn't feel that way. I don't know. If Kuzma's fine with it, then I don't think it'll be a big deal. You're right. It does look kind of amateur hour and why are you doing this and that. You're on the Lakers, man. But if Kuzma's not, if Kuzma's fine with it, then I think it could be okay. How's the Ben Simmons diss track? What does his sound like? How about Donovan Mitchell? How's his? I mean, this is a different era. Jason Tatum got a diss track yet? This is embarrassing. Well, you can rap. They're Allen Iverson rapped, Chris Webber rapped. You know, Kobe, as I said, like putting out a mixtape is not the problem. The problem is how Kuzma takes, and it's not a good look for the Lakers. I'm not saying it's not a good look for the Lakers, but I don't know. If you're Magic Johnson, put your Magic Johnson jersey on. I'll loan you mine. Okay. You got LeVar Ball running his mouth about Luke Walton and all this stuff all season. You now have Lonzo, who Magic gassed up at the press conference last year after they drafted him, putting out a diss track. Is everything adding up to, man, let's just move on from this ball. Not yet. I mean, look, if LeBron is coming, and it's just like, look, you got to move, then you move. Okay, another question. But if LeBron is fine with Lonzo being there, then I don't trade him immediately. I think Lonzo's going to be really good. I would agree with that. He's going to be a good player. LeBron's been in the league 15 years. He's never really played with rookies and won anything or got to the finals. No rookies have ever had an impact. Young players, you mean? Young guys. Because he won't be a rookie next year. When Magic talks to LeBron, what do you think LeBron's going to say about this stuff? And Magic goes, hey, LeBron, where are you on LeVar and Lonzo? We think, you know, we think LeBron's going to say, you know him. You know LeBron as well as any journalist out there. Yeah, but I don't know. I don't know. LeBron typically doesn't like a circus unless he creates the drama. Exactly. So if it's a problem, buy Lonzo. Right? I'm with you on that. If LeBron is like, it's too much to distract, the Daz comments, all that, then of course I trade Lonzo. I mean, his dad was on FS1 yesterday and said like, LeAngelo is above Paul George. Like, who wants that? Who wants that trash? I hear you. And if it bothers LeBron, then of course you move Paul, or Lonzo. You don't think Kerry and Kevin Duran are sitting there laughing at LeBron? Who did Michael Jordan, who did he win his last three titles with? Um... On the bulls? Like who are his teammates? Dennis Rodman. No, he was like a 30-year-old guy. It was a bit of a clownside show act. Dennis Rodman was doing a lot of crazy stuff. Okay. Now, can you, Michael Jordan controlled it enough where they could win? It's up to the team leader. I mean, Rodman was like leading the league in rebound. Oh, no. He was a great player. But my point is, a locker room leader, if he wants to, can control that type of stuff. Now, does LeBron want to put forth the energy to control it, or does he, would he rather move it? I don't know. Okay, this is great. This is great. No, I mean, the point I'm with you, you just made a great point. If LeBron James doesn't want to play on a team with Lonzo Ball because of the rapping, the dad, whatever, then you trade him. Yeah. What happened when Isaiah Thomas came off the injury and was like, hey, let's practice. And he's taking shots at Kevin Love. What happened like a week later? Okay. Now this is Isaiah Thomas, the guy who was all NBA player. But that wasn't just LeBron. I mean, Dwayne Wade, first of all, was the one that triggered the talk about Kevin Love. And then Isaiah chimed in, you know, it wasn't working basketball wise. Yeah. All right. That's what that was. What happened to your head is Lonzo Ball in a Laker jersey? Yes. Really? I'm going to go with no. He might not be, but you know, gun in my head. At this moment, I would say yes. I'm so geeked about this. Why are you ducking me? I'm not, you were the one who ducked me last week with the blister. That was legit. I'm not ducking you. You can't find the gym today. You called, you called the gymnasium and said, I don't care what you got to do. I'm going to get my phone out. I'm going to get my phone out. But shut this game down. Look at my recent calls and you can see, I didn't call no gym and I didn't delete. No. Come on. You don't think you're going to get stopped? I would like to play basketball. Disrespectful. All the hoobers. D3 stars. Guy who likes to play basketball. Let's have fun. I wasn't even a D3 star. I was a D3 star turd. Star turd. That's it. I wasn't even a star. But you. I didn't make freshman high school basketball. D3 starter. You never played. That's what I'm saying. You challenged me. Disrespectful. We're friends. Did you play lacrosse? What? Did you play any sport? I will beat you into the Catholic sport. Tennis, bowling, basketball, running. What sport are you good at? Bring it on. Okay, you run. You run. I mean, I don't run, but I will race you. What do you do well in sports? I like to think I can do any sport. I mean, what sport have you played? I'm a natural athlete. I will play any sport. I've never picked up lacrosse. Did you play a sport in high school? No. But you're a natural athlete. I will play any sport you want. I know you have a busy schedule. Hanging out with LeVar and Magic and Rich Paul and all your guys. Maybe you could take some time to play some ball with your boys. Thank you for tuning in. Go to iTunes, Apple Podcast, SoundCloud. Give us five stars. Leave us a comment.