 So I believe the cast of characters is all here. It's just five o'clock, so I'm gonna call the meeting to order. At the moment, we have no guests. We do have Victor and Dorinda as usual. Are there any amendments to the agenda? Only ones that I sent yesterday in the amended agenda. Did you get that? Yes. Okay. Yes. Peter, I just want to give a quick update under other business about conversation I had with the new executive director of CV Fiber. Okay. And Steve, you want it to be recognized? Yes, Peter, thank you. I just want to let everybody know that I'm going to be resigning from the select board effective immediately. I have a lot of personal reasons, but anyway, I figured that I should do this right now, so it's effective immediately anyway. And I thank you to all, I'm glad to have worked with you. Glad to have worked with you, Steve. Well, Steve, I'm very sorry to hear this news. I have thoroughly enjoyed being on the board with you. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. Thank you for your service. Yeah, so I agree. How many years has it been, Steve? I don't know. Too many to count, perhaps? It's been at least 10 years. I'm thinking maybe 11 years, Steve. Wow. Right. Probably would be 12 at the end of my term in March. And you were foreman for how many of those? Not foreman. What's the word? Commissioner. Road commissioner? Yeah. For how many years? I don't know. I never kept track of that. Wow. So Steve, I mean this sincerely, and I understand you probably want to take a break, but we would welcome your participation at any of our meetings in the future if there's something on the agenda, which is of interest to you. You're not leaving town, right? No. I am not leaving town. There you go. There you go. Thank you for everything you've done for the town, Steve. Thank you. Yeah, that's my word. Thank you, Steve. Thank you. Thank you and bye-bye. See you next time. Good luck. All right, thanks. So what I always say is, hasta luego, which means until we meet again, it doesn't mean goodbye. So there you go. Okay. Thank you, Steve. Good night. Good night. It's disappointing. Yeah, I was afraid that was coming, but. Me too. Can I just make a statement that I will be gone for our next select board meeting, and so there, and I'm going to be overseas, so I won't be in the time zone to even join. So will we have a quorum at the next meeting is the question. Randy and Phil, are you planning on being there? Yeah, I'll be here. Yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm going to be away, but I plan, I still plan to attend, so. Yeah, but I'll be there. I mean, the barring, the catastrophe. Okay, because then, Randy, you're going to have to attend. Yep. Unless we have someone appointed between now and then. No, which we won't. Which we definitely won't. Right, we won't, right. Okay. No, I'll make sure to attend. Okay, where are you going, Liz? We're going to Europe. But where? Oh, we're going to Italy and Switzerland and Poland. Nice. Yeah. It'll be a nice little trip. Yeah, it's family. We've got family over there, except for Italy. So Italy, we're just the two of us for like four or five nights, so. And then we're meeting our kids and seeing cousins and all that. So it'll be fun. You're not driving any tanks around there, the Polish-Ukrainian border, are you? No. My brother-in-law, it works for the Swiss government and he lives in Poland, so we're going to see him. Good for you. Have a good trip. Thank you. We leave next week, so. You need anybody to supervise your boys while you're gone. Just call me up. I'll go over and check on them. They're not living with us. And they're going to join us, so. Oh, okay. You're safe. They're not living with us. Okay, all right. Okay. So we need to move right along and go into executive session. Is somebody willing to make that motion, please? I'll move it. Then we move to executive session. Okay, in the second? Two seconds in the film? I second it. Okay, thank you. So it's been moved in second to go into executive session. Uh, Hey, I'm going to say 313 a3 to discuss appointment and appointment of an employee. Well, hold on. Just, uh, you have to make when that motion, you have to decide who's going to be in the executive session. Oh, right. You got ahead of me. I guess. Dick and Randy. I'm recommending that, uh, that, uh, Derinda be there and Sarah, you would probably prefer not to be there. So that's true. I would prefer not to be there. Okay. That means that is going to have to drive the boat. Okay. Put it over. Yeah, I definitely needs to be there. Yes. Yeah. Okay. So are you going to pass it over or? I am going to make Derinda town treasurer. She is going to be the host. There you are. Make Derinda. Yes, change host. We need to vote before we actually do this. So we'll lose favor of the motion. Please say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. We're in. Thank you. Okay. Wait a minute. I have to pause recording. Yeah. Recording stopped. Don't forget Orca. Kill Orca. Yeah. I got to kill, uh, um, actually, did you give me the host thing? Wait a minute. Yeah, I did. You were now the host. We did, we did decide an executive session and it doesn't need a, it doesn't need a motion, but, uh, Phil Randy and Victor are going to interview, uh, all the candidates, hopefully, uh, next week, Victor's going to call and, and set up the appointments. They're going to take place in person at the town clerk's office. Um, and, uh, we agreed on a, uh, we agreed on a, on a salary range. Um, so we're going to start the process. And then if we need to, if we need to have a second round of interviews, we will, if there's one clear lead candidate, we probably won't have a second round of, uh, second round of interviews. And I think that's, that's it for the result of, uh, result of the executive session. Advertising the select board position. Uh, yes, I would say in all, uh, in all the usual places, I'm, I'm against, I mean, do we, do we need to put it in the paper record? I suppose we do, right? Uh, within somebody stepping up a board, they need to be opposing within 10 days. I mean, it's supposed to do it as, you're supposed to try to fill it as fast as possible. So tomorrow I will, uh, you know, you, that is your paper record, you probably should do it. We'll put it on front porch for on the website and post it around town. Yep. Yep. That sounds good. So just, just to remind everybody, it does need to be a, uh, a town resident, obviously. Yes. Absolutely. Okay. Thank you, Sarah. Well, you will take care of that. That's my job as a select board assistant. That's right. That's right. You're not resigning yet, right? Becoming a resident of Poland. Not yet. Thank you. Um, so the next item on the agenda is a highway department update and included in that is determining compensation for interim co-road foreman, Vic Dwyer and, and Gary Lamel, uh, action likely. So, um, and then review and possible approval via V T A O T grant and aid application to pay for ditching action possible. So Victor, you're on for, uh, for the second part, not the first part. We are on for the whole thing. Go ahead, charge ahead. Um, yeah, we're going to just fill out that form at, uh, then 10, uh, it's a grant for, uh, it's up to $20,000 with, uh, 25% participation by the town. And, uh, we got it right now. We have two or three tentative places. We could do it. Yep. So I gave the form to, uh, Sarah's got a question. Let's start. Can you, when you say a couple of places, you can do it. Could you explain exactly what work would be paid for by the grant or the public? Okay. So if we had to replace a culvert, uh, or if we were doing ditching or, uh, doing the, uh, stone fill, um, and, uh, which includes, uh, hydro seating and stuff like that. Thank you. Yeah. And then you want to move on to the other, uh, news from the, uh, road department. Sure. Yes. We have another truck down, um, which is a good one. And, um, we got radiator fluid leaking out. We thought they thought it was, uh, um, going into the engine, uh, like a, uh, head gasket or something, but it was, and it was leaking in, but it is leaking into the leaking out of the transmission cooler, which is behind the radiator. And, um, so they took it down to, uh, this was on Shane's last day. They took it down to Bootsie's, but, uh, so it's down there and, um, but they're having difficulty finding that cooler, uh, items to repair that. It also had a, uh, that you couldn't lift the body and, but they did get that temporarily fixed anyways. Um, What was wrong? What was wrong? We're just working with one truck. What, what truck is down? Uh, the one we're not trading. You said you're working with one truck, one big truck, and we still have the smaller truck, right? Yeah, but that has all the hydro seating stuff in it, or chloride stuff might have to go in that. So it's, you know, pretty, you know, it's not very good for ditching. Right. Well, does that mean, does that mean potentially we should be hiring a truck? Or two, we can, if we get that far, we will. Yeah, we should. Yes, that has been mentioned because, you know, if you only, if you only have one truck, that's a lot of time that the, that the excavator is sitting there waiting for the truck to go and come by. Well, it's not really that bad because you're just hauling down the hill. Well, all I'm saying is I understand. Peter, we will be a truck if that's what we're going to be challenged. We're going to be challenged to do the work we need to do this, this summer in particular. And, you know, if heaven forbid the excavator breaks down, I, you know, we just have to be ready to do whatever we have to do. My, my understanding is that that transmission cooler is a, is a water, the cooling is the actual cooling from the engine. And then the transmission fluid runs through the, runs through the cooler also, right? Correct. Oh, it's, it's antifreeze that's leaking out of the cooling loop from the engine, but it's leaking inside that cooler. Basically, yeah, let's go with that one. Hey, other thing we got is Fairfield, the people that they sent us a contract and Durinda sent it back in and it was 3500 bucks a week. I think it was August 8th or through the 19th. And, and I see Durinda shaking her head that. So I guess that's it, but it was for 3500 bucks a week. And then Shane called me this morning and said that Casey called him and said it was going to be another thousand a week. But I know Durinda tried to get ahold of him. I don't know what, what, what her answer was. So I called, I called there. They didn't call me back this afternoon. However, I'm looking at the contract and the cover letter that they sent and it says 3500 pre book price, which I'm assuming we pre booked and 4500 if it hasn't been pre booked. So I don't know if there was a mix up in message there, but we pre booked and I'm assuming we're going to get it at that 3500 but their new rate is 4500. But that's what I want to confirm with that woman. And I'll prior again tomorrow if I don't hear back from her. What are we running? A mower. Okay. The mower's right of the road. Yep. Oh, okay. I got it. I, I didn't, I didn't get that part of it. Okay. Yeah. Cause I had on my list to ask about the roadside mowing. So we're going to, the plan is to rent the mower and our guy guys are our limited guys are going to operate it. I know. Yeah. That's true. Yep. Okay. Then the other thing we went out and got a price to put those culverts in. And a road. And one, one contractor came back with for the six culverts was 71,000. Brenda almost 72. It was 71, 831. Yeah, 11. Almost $12,000 a cover, but that included that included everything and then the second bid is was for 8000 which sounded real good, but they don't have any traffic control on it. Um, they, we have to deliver the pipes to them and that gets confusing because we could hold them up or be holding us up because we won't know exactly what they want for pipes. I mean, we just can't, there's a lot of pipe and we just can't, you know, dump it somewhere. They, they want it, they want it to, they assume that that company assume we're going to deliver it right to where the culverts being replaced. I just, that's but the difference is the difference is a difference of 71,000 to 8,000. No, 71,000 to 40 50,000 roughly. Yes. Okay. So for 21,000 for $21,000, uh, it doesn't make us doesn't make sense for us to figure out how to deliver the culverts to them or have somebody deliver the culverts to them. Oh, I could buy a trailer for 21,000. I can drag them with my bulldozer for 21,000. Uh, Victor, uh, there's also a bullet in here says pricing does not include the excavating or placing of the outlet side of the cover over bank. Can you talk about that a little bit? What's that? What do they, what do they mean by that? Well, they're not going to take, they're not going down over that bank and take that, that existing, uh, uh, cover that runs down the slope pipe. It runs down over the bank. They're not going to touch that and they're not putting in, uh, they're not, uh, back when we talked about this last year, the idea, we weren't going to take that, we weren't going to do anything with that cover. We're just going to, we're not going to go down over the slope with elbows at the top and then a reverse elbow at the bottom and shooting it out like the design is. We're just going to go across and then we were going to put a stone pad, uh, whatever it took on the outlet and, uh, and the inlet and the, the $8,000 per cover or $50,000, that doesn't include that either. So I guess the question is what you're, I mean, is, you know, I don't want to be penny wise and pound foolish. Is the, is the all in higher price the better deal? Well, you got the contractor. Well, I guess I can't say that. Can I, I can't say who the contractor is or I can. You could say who the contractor is. Okay. The contractor that, that, that would do it would do it all and they would coordinate it because the idea, uh, it was a paving because they're doing the paving and they would do it so that roughly they would like to traffic, uh, to drive over that, uh, uh, reclaim about two weeks before they start paving to give it on, even though they, uh, they compact it and water it and grade it and everything that give a, an extra couple of weeks because the traffic actually, uh, does a lot for compaction. So you're saying, you're saying your recommendation is to go with a higher estimate for that reason and because they do all that other stuff, which just sounds like it could amount to real money. I mean, we would have to, our excavator can't reach down those stitches. We'd have to hire an excavator. We'd have to hire somebody else to do that other work, right? It's not like we could do it. Well, let me make it clear. I don't think we're going to do anything with those culverts down over the bank. Once it run down, there'll be some, there'll be those slope pipes will still be laying right in, uh, right in the slope. I mean, we'll, we'll have to, nobody's taken them out. Uh, we'll have to just, uh, make sure that our stone is over the top of them and, uh, so they don't erode. Where's the second? You're veining my question. My question is, which contractor do you recommend that we hire? The one at 71,000. And does that, does that fit in the, the plan and the, and the money that we have in the grant? Grant. Uh, we only have 185,000 in the grant. Right. But we also have money in the bank. I just want to make sure. I just want to make sure that we have the price of the whole project covered between what's in, what's in our budget, what's in our, uh, what's in our paving fund, et cetera. I don't believe so. I don't believe so. I thought we're going to use our money. I have a question that when it says on the Hutchins one that we will provide the pipe and the peer material, uh, to replace existing pipes, but they're not saying on there, they deliver that to site. Yes. Okay. So they met with me on Friday. Okay. Took them over and showed it to them and that, that would be included in that. That would be included. Okay. I just wanted to make sure I can have them get right that in there if you want. No, I just wanted to make sure because you said it wasn't included in the other one. The other thing is, would it be worth going? I know you like the idea of working with this other company, but I mean, should we go back to the other company and ask them to put these things in there, include that in their quote? I did that tonight. Oh, you did? Okay. The guy had taken the afternoon off. Okay. The bidder, the bid, the guy prepares the bid. So, I mean, and I, and I know they're, they're unknown factors in this, but how much, how much in the hole do we think we will are going to be on this project? Crowd numbers. The render would have to, the render, what do we have in our paving fund? That's what I was just looking for. Um, let's see. We have. We had 300,000. 259,000. So, we've got 259 and 185, right? Yeah. 444,000 if I did the math, right? Yeah. What do we think the total cost is going to be? I believe it, I think it's right around $420,000 with McCulloch Hill Road. I can. We are okay with that. It should be, but I mean, I mean, we have to dip a little bit into our funds, but you're not talking about spending $50,000 of the ARPA fund. Okay. That's fine. That's close enough. I'm just trying to keep track of the big picture here as we, uh, as we move into this, this is a big project for us. Do we, do we, we've already purchased all of the culverts for this replacement, or is that an additional cost that we haven't looked at yet? Oh, yeah. I mean, the best of my knowledge is that that is correct. We have all the culverts. Yeah, I purchased those culverts last year. That's what Shane, Shane said told us that we had it all and that's why we ordered them last year. Anything else, Victor? Wait a minute. Do you, are you going to wait for him to go back to get more bids? Are you going to vote on that? Are you going to vote on that on the culvert? Or what are you going to do on a $71,000? Anything right, right now this minute. Do you, do you need an answer on this now, Victor? It would be nice. So we could move ahead. We've got to start ahead by the, probably by the 1st of July. Yeah, but the contractor's going to want to. The bid, the bid's only good for 30 days, so. Well, I can't wait to decide now. I think we can. Yeah. Okay. I think let's do it. Has somebody willing to make a motion? We don't, we don't want to wait for Kingsbury to get back to Victor with the, with the added inputs to their bids. We have another select board meeting to do this. We do, but it's going to be right. You know, it's going to be two weeks from tonight. Basically, that's getting pretty close to the. Yeah. I'll put the pressure on you, Peter. Hey, doesn't put up no pressure on me. Right. Right. The other thing we can do is, the other thing we can do is, and I know I hate that this keeps happening, but I mean, we can have a 15 minute special meeting when Victor gets, gets that information back. Right. Well, my advice is that you warrant a special meeting for next Tuesday. That way they give everybody plenty of notice and it may be, you guys are going to do interviews until next week though. Right. You're not doing interviews this week Monday and Tuesday. We're going to be doing the unit Tuesday. Maybe so you could, you could theoretically bring up a warrant a special meeting for that includes also reviewing road road foreman offers. So how about if you did it? What did the special meeting Wednesday or something like that? Perfect. It's better to have more warning than less warning. Could we do something a little bit earlier at like a four o'clock on the Wednesday? Hold on. Let me see what I'll. Wednesday is normally a planning commission meeting. Just don't interfere with that. Please. You made it. It's a warrant public hearing at six o'clock. Okay. Don't worry. This will be like it. They won't go over else. I can give them a different, I can give them a different link. I have a different account. So we're talking about Wednesday, the 15th at 4pm. Can you do that's fine by me? I got the zoning hearing it. Yeah. I've got the zoning hearing at six. Right. So we have to have it's going to have to be a commitment from three members because I don't think Liz is going to be around. Right. Yeah. Four o'clock works better for me or even a 4 30 works better for me than five. Okay. Yep. Okay. So four will just do a four o'clock meeting. Does that work for all you guys? Yes. Okay. Okay. Because that way, that way we will be able to give the contractor at least at least two weeks notice and probably they won't be doing it on the first day of July either. But you know, they're going to need to they're going to need to plan ahead. They're not going to want to hear one day before we expect them to start. Right. Good. Okay. Anything else anything else Victor? Um, no, I just not. So do we need. Probably to probably to get it get it into the minutes we should have a we should have a motion that we're agreeing to pay Victor for his extra time and Gary for his time. $30 an hour. So move. Is there a second? Yeah. Thanks for Andy. All in favor of that motion. Please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay, I think we're good. I have a question. Is this a limited number of hours or is this like whatever or is there any kind of any kind of parameters to anything or just whatever comes in? So what did you what did you discuss with Gary Victor? Again, please. I didn't quite get what we're doing. This question is on how many hours this is going to be. Is it up to 20 hours a week for dairy and 10 hours a week for you? Or what do we think it is with this interaction with these bids and stuff? It's it takes it takes a lot of time because somebody's always calling you back about it. So I think 20 hours is I think Gary staying right there the 40 hours. I won't get 40 hours because he had that he didn't work today because he had to take his wife for the doctors. But does he have 40 hours? I mean, assuming he isn't he isn't operating any of the trucks or any of the equipment. Does he have 40 hours of work to do? Oh, I think he's operating the equipment. He's running the excavator while they while Files is grading and him and Belcher are. Oh, OK. All right. OK, well, I'm excited. I didn't realize he was operating the equipment. He can't drive the trucks, right? Does anybody know if he's got a CD L or anything? That makes it, you know, we've got to have accurate paperwork on file. If that's what's happening here. I thought that's what you did Monday when he filed out his W2. I didn't ask anything about a CDL. I wasn't there. Number one. Well, he's not. I mean, the last time we talked about this, I thought he wasn't operating the equipment or the trucks. He can operate the equipment without the CDL, but he can't drive the truck. You can drive the pickup like that, but you can drive the pickup and not the big truck. Yeah, well, he's going to run the excavator and and he has to the greater right now. I don't know as he's running the truck. Well, it can't. The bottom line is he can't unless he has a CDL. And if he has CDL, we need to have a copy of it and he needs to have a drug test. Stop. I thought that's what they did Monday. I assumed he had one. You know, because they all said Monday, you went down to the town clerk's office and filled out. It was down there filling out his paperwork. I wasn't there just to just to quote the minutes from the special meeting. You guys was they were to be an administrative functions only as co-formant administrative. That was the word administrative. Right, not operating. So it sounds like it sounds like the situation has changed. Yeah, I just want to know you changed it tonight. I didn't change it. I my idea was that he was going to be the foreman and he could do anything. And like said, he went down. No, that is not what we what we said. We said administrative functions only. Well, so if you have another resignation then. Well, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Not me. Not me. He may. He just said all I'm all I'm saying is we need to agree and understand exactly what he's doing and that he has the correct paperwork, the correct license, the correct whatever to do it. And it sounds like we don't know that. So I think we need to find out right pretty darn quick. If he has a CDL and he's going to drive the truck then then he does need to have a drug test, right? He does have a drug test. He does, but I would say if this is only going to be as four to six week maximum, I would assume position. I would limit him to just driving the pickup and not the big trucks and let him use the heavy equipment. Then you don't have to go through all that. I think that's pretty much what's going to happen. And and he, you know, because Belcher drives the truck, the only one we got running he drives that if we have to. Yeah, I think we just need to be impassable about that communication with Gary and I'd be fine with him operating the equipment and using the pickup truck for the for the duration of the interim foreman. We just need to be very specific with that communication with them to set that expectation. So are we good on that? Sounds like we are. I don't think that we address you know, potential extension of time of Victor's duties through through that conversation. We kind of address Gary, but I don't think we had a discussion about Victor. No, we did not. How much how much extra time do you think you're going to have Victor through this process? I have no idea as soon as that I had like seven seven hours yesterday and probably a couple today. And then last last time, you know, if last last week and stuff when nobody showed up, I had I was over there at five thirty quarter of six every morning and stayed till like eight o'clock when nobody when the two days Shane didn't show up. So we're talking about 20 hours a week roughly. I can hold it to that. That's what you want me to do. Well, I I truly want me to do the job. I want you to have the flexibility to do what you need to do. I want to give Dorinda some idea of what we're of what we're looking at here. Yeah. So I'm not I'm not suggesting that we that we say you're living 20 hours a week. If you and you and Gary between you do this. That's what we need. That's what we need done. So but does that answer your question Dorinda? Does that give you an idea of what you're looking at? How about how about we do this? How about we we extend we extend it to 120 hours for the for the duration here and if we come upon you know 80% of that or something we revisit the conversation that's that's 20 hours a week for six weeks on average and it could be that he works 40 hours one week and then he to the next week. Who knows depending on what the workload is that works that works for me. I mean, I'm just I just want I don't want to pen him in and then he can't do what he needs to do. So yeah, right. So that's fine with fine with everybody else. Liz fell. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. So do we need to vote on that too? Right. Yeah. Yeah, we should. Okay. I'll make motion to extend the $30 an hour. I'll make a motion to extend the $30 an hour. And then I'll offer to Victor for 120 hours. Revisiting that conversation. If we hit 80% of those hours and he projects that he's going to go over that. And $30 an hour for Gary. Working in a full-time capacity without operating the CDL trucks. For the interim. Duration. For a second to that motion. We don't know yet. We don't know yet. I thought we still had to confirm with him that he had this. I'm sorry. That motion, that motion excludes the use of the dump trucks. Liz that he would need a CDL for. So I'm sorry. I missed this. So we thought he, we know for sure he does not have a CDL. No, but what we're saying is. Don't want him driving the heavy trucks. We don't want to go through all the folder all of getting him certified to. No, I understand. But if he has a CDL, he can drive the truck. Is that true? No. No. His job description is to pick up. Okay. All right. And if it turns out he has a CDL and that he needs to drive the truck, then we need to read, then we need to reconsider that. But for the time being. Peter. Yes. When you, when you have the guy out grading and you only have Foucher and you don't have a CDL, you don't have a CDL. You don't have a CDL. When we do hydro seating. Gary has Gary drove the truck and, you know, and, and for. You know, the distance. Steve's house and McCulloch Hill. I think that's fine. I will check and see if he has a CDL tomorrow. I mean, I. I get the motion. Say if he has. Please. Please. Did not. Intentionally. I mean, I think he has a CDL. I did not intentionally. You know, just skip that. But honestly. On Monday. I asked. I went over early and they said that he was going down. He went down to the town clerk's office to do his WT. To form and all that other stuff. The last time we hired somebody. They went down and they had to do all that stuff. I mean, I think he has a CDL. I mean, he has a CDL. I mean, he has a CDL. I mean, he has a CDL. I mean, he has a CDL. They went down and they had to do all that stuff. I think it was Steve McLaren that did it. So I thought it automatically as soon as you got down there, everybody would be on what they were supposed to be. But then I didn't know the render wasn't there. I'm not throwing the render on the bus. It was just a calamity of errors. I will straighten that out tomorrow morning. Tonight, right after I get off here, I'll ask Gary what he's got. I'll do it tonight. Okay. I need to back up. What's involved in, in allowing him to drive the trucks to render. He has to have a drug test. Well, that is your policy that they have to do it. If he gets a random check. I believe that you've got your hand up, Sarah. Yeah. No, if you're going to, if you are going to be driving a municipal truck on the road, a CDL, you need to have a drug test by the end. That's the one that's going to be on the road. It's one of the US department of transportation rules. So that has no, you have zero control over that. If he's, that's it. Okay. The drug, the drug testing and the physical. Um, yeah. The physical is part of the drug to maintain your, um, license. Right. You're CDL license is part of the physical as part of that. had such a backlog and there is a huge backlog because of all the testing for COVID, maybe it's E somehow and all these drug testing centers. So we're not getting the results. We used to get like a 24 hour turnaround from Concentra. Now Concentra ships out all those tests to Philadelphia and it's a long turnaround. So it's not as smooth an operation as it used to be. Correct. So I am against just going wink, wink, nod, nod and letting them go out of the trucks and not follow the rules. I don't think that's a good idea. It will not happen. Okay. It will happen. Like I said tonight, I'll take care of it tonight right after this meeting. I'll call him. Okay. So the motion remains that he is going to drive the pickup truck and operate the equipment. Right. Right Victor? That is correct. Going forward that is what we will do. And if he has a CDL and he needs to drive the heavy truck then we need to, we're gonna have a special meeting next Wednesday. We can reconsider it then. Right. Okay. So the motion, the motion stands that I'm gonna restate this Randy so if I don't get it right, raise your hand. But we're hiring Gary on an interim short term basis for $30 an hour on a full time basis with the understanding that he's going to potentially drive the pickup truck and operate the equipment but not drive any of the heavy trucks. And that Victor will be authorized up to 120 hours at $30 an hour for this interim period with the understanding that if he gets up to 80% of that number, we need to revisit it. Does that cover it, Randy? Yep. Okay. So that is the motion which is- Stop it. I'm sorry? Nothing. Okay. So that is the motion that's been moved and seconded all in favor. Aye. No. Who seconded? Well, okay. Particularly, I made a motion and I think Randy seconded the rate of pay. Right. I was never acted on that. No. So I'm going to withdraw that first motion. Okay. Randy, you withdraw your second to my first motion, right? Sure. Okay. And then Randy made that other motion. I am seconding that motion. I was already voted. So now we're clear. Thank you. Good. Thank you for straightening us out. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. You're good, Sarah. Yeah. Okay. Thank you all for your patience and understanding. Thank you. Moving right along, review and approval of amendment to the ongoing hazardous mitigation grant program for the buyout of 28 Grinch Road, the voluntary transaction agreement with the property owner and a sub-grant agreement with the two rivers, Otakwici, Peter. You missed the DRB. That's why Sandy's here. Oh, I did. I'm sorry. It must have been that yellow highlighting that confused me. I apologize, Sandy, approving the resolution to create a development review board to replace the zoning board of adjustment and permit review duties of the planning commission and appointing members from the planning commission and the zoning board of adjustment to serve on the new DRB effective July 1 action likely. So Sandy, you're on. I'm sorry. Sorry. That's fine. I'm when I attended your meeting a few weeks ago, we had a draft resolution and where that was left was I would discuss with the planning commission members to see if there were two planning commission members who would serve and also talk with the, with the zoning board of adjustment and see if they would be willing to serve. I did that to planning commission members stepped up myself and I did that to the zoning board of adjustment. I did that to the zoning board of adjustment. I did that to the zoning board of adjustment. I did that to the zoning board of adjustment members agreed to serve either as the, as members of the new board or as alternates in particular, Roger Hurt and Charlene bull asked to serve as alternates. They did not want to serve on the new DRB. Otherwise it would be the same. Same body. And then I just rather randomly. I don't know what it would be. I don't know what it would be three years terms, but initially they would be staggered. Okay. So who are the, who are the people from the ZPA that we're actually appointing? Or we're appointing all of them, but two of them are. Alternates. Yes. I have. Larry, Larry Rooney, right? Yes. Sorry. I should pull it up. I drafted the resolution, but I didn't. I didn't have it. I. I didn't have it. And we had two different year-end. And they had. And Stacy, Ska bird. They would each have three year terms. Mitchell. He and myself would have two year terms. And Larry Rooney would have a one year term. And Roger Hurt and Charlene bull would be alternates each with three year terms. And that's identified in the resolution. I provided to you. Sandy. or where does, where does he, yes, he's currently on the zoning board of adjustment. Okay. Questions anyone concerns. Motion. Yeah, I move that we adopt the resolution establishing the DRB. With the membership as specified by Sandy and you said it was. It's in that. Resolution anyway, right? Okay. Yeah. Okay. I'm getting confused between the first one and second one. Okay. And as there were second place. I'll second. Okay. Thank you, Liz. So it's moved in second and to approve a resolution to create the development review board and replace the zoning board of adjustment. And permit review duties of the planning commission and appointing the motion. Please say aye. Aye. Anybody opposed. Okay. Thank you, Sandy. Thank you. We're going to be in the new world. New world. It's effective July 1st, which is our new fiscal year. Yeah. Thank you all. Thank you. Great. Thanks, Andy. So now we're back to review and approval of the amendment. To the ongoing hazard mitigation grant. I already read it once. I'm not going to read it again. Sarah. Well, as you can see, this is something that's just basically to keep the grant moving there. They've given us more money to do two things. One is Jennifer Evans did sign already signed the. VTA. So all we need is a signature. Maybe from the, when you make a motion to approve these. Just make sure that you designate who can sign all of them in the office. Whoever is coming in and who's ever in town. And then otherwise it's more money from the federal government for this initial stage of the buyout. And then it's money. It's this money frees up. Two rivers out of Creechie for them to give us more money to make up the difference in this, in this grant. This is just to purchase Jennifer's house at this time. Jennifer did express reservations when she came to sign the agreement and she's now worried and probably rightfully so that even if she's getting about 200 something thousand dollars. That she. Will not be able to find anything anywhere for 200 something thousand dollars. And. She may withdraw. But she has until closing later. I'm sorry. When does, when does she. I mean, can she withdraw at any time? I mean, I want to get to the point where we're, where we're getting estimates and doing real work. And then all of a sudden at the last minute, she says she doesn't want to do it. Well, we can't do any of that until we own the property. And we, what, what this allows us to do is this allows us to proceed with the title search, which. Which, you know, the federal government will pay for. And then we will have an attorney draw up closing documents. And when she comes down to close, that's it. And FEMA has assured us that they will get that cut us that big check ahead of time so that we don't use any money out of our funds that check will be waiting for us. Okay. So. She can withdraw then. If she box then we've done other than other than your time and effort, which is not to be under. Yeah. Valued, but. We're not. We're not pouring out any money to any subcontractors or asbestos abatement people or any of that. No, because we can't do it because we don't own the property and FEMA is very concerned about that. So, so this is a, so that's, that's where we are. And, you know, I kind of don't blame her. It's kind of a crazy market. You know, she's got, she's either going to be in the river or on the streets. Not an easy, not an easy choice. Maybe she should have thought about that where she started the process. I don't know. I don't know. Okay. I thought she didn't. I think she does live there. Currently. I have a question about this 25% match that I see. It looks like the, the. The number that's attached to that's like 59,000 775. Right. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. The, the sub grant only allows for a maximum of $34,000. Is the town on the hook for the remaining. No, the town's not the hook for anything. I believe, I thought I did the math. I thought I'd add it up. Okay. To the, to the appraised value. If you don't, if you have any reservations, don't vote on it tonight. Pass over it. We'll take it up at one of our many special meetings that I could, you know, just do the accounting together. But my understanding. That's a great idea. The new agreement. Plus us 70, one 79. Altogether. Because I, those guys are. Two rivers out of creature giving. They're giving. Yeah. I thought I had it right here. I think I thought two rivers was giving us 59,000. No. We already have. Okay. So we already have. How much money do we have sitting in the, that accomplished money? Did we get out of that chat? That account was like $20,000. The first one. Yeah. $20,000 already sitting there. Then we have this other stuff come to rivers out of creature altogether. That should make up the match. But if you're unsure about it, I can add it all together. Before the time, Randy, we got 20 grand. It's been sitting there for like three years. Okay. So maybe that with this 34, if that's. You know, there's. Put everybody over the edge. Yep. I'm just going to. That sounds okay to me. Yeah. I mean, my big, the only thing I was concerned with is that the town was going to be on the hook for the difference of that 34. And the other. The other end of it. So if, if we're covered, then I'm fine with it. Yeah. That's a, that's a good question. If you're, if you're unsure about it, I can come back with a complete accounting for that. I just was, you know, I, I've been dealing with this for so long. I just kind of thought, oh, I got it all together. Since we're meeting Wednesday. Let's, let's just wait and make sure we have a real number and everybody can be comfortable. So that makes sense. That's fine with me. Okay. I mean, that doesn't hold anything up. Does it? No. No. Okay. Treasures report. Action possible. I don't have anything really to report. I sent out the. Budget status report. We are. There's a few things in here that I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. There's a few things in here that I got a. I think that are making it worse than it is. Couple of grant things that shouldn't be in there. But, but we are like, we've got to be up around at least 90%. This says 94%. So. We've got the whole month to go. any estimate of how far in the hall we're going to be? Uh, not yet. I want to pull these. I just started to go through this. I just got this late yesterday afternoon so I've got to go back and ask, um, figure out a couple of these numbers in here, but I think it's going to be over, especially if we incur um, these extra costs. Again, even the highway with the savings we have, the highway wages are already, you know, they're at 82 percent. So with all the, I know we're saving in one respect, but we're also incurring in another respect. So, because we just went from 40-hour position to basically, you know, um, 80, 80 hours or whatever we use a month, I don't know, because you've got two people now doing the job of the road foreman. Yeah, it's essentially 60 hours a week. I was going to say it's more like, so yeah, but um, so here's, here's the question, and I know we discussed this before and I couldn't remember what we, what we concluded. Is, is there anything in our expenses that we can use ARPA money for to make up that overage? And if we can, we probably need to do it by the end of the month, right? Well, I mean, you don't make it up. The ARPA money is there for us to use. It's how we, we report it next year. So if we say that we use this money for employee retention, which we did already do that, then that's going to offset it. But that money's already in our bottom line. You don't actually put it into the budget. You can't change your budget numbers. Your budget is your budget. Yes, but we can, can't, we can't, I mean, we can't, we can't change the budget that the voters approved, but can't we? So you're going to be overspending your budget, but you're going to have funds to cover it. Yeah. Okay. All right. Good answer. That's fine. Have we heard anything on the potential reimbursement for modern mitigation costs that we've talked about through the state efforts? I haven't. I don't know if I think that was something that was being worked on from the highway department. Are you there, Vic? No, he's left. He's left. He just turned off his light. He's still tuned in. His name's on the list here. Oh, yeah. Vic, are you there? Yes. Yes. So did you hear that, Randy's question about the potential mud mitigation grant from the state of Vermont? One more time. I got interrupted here. I apologize for that. I'm sorry. Randy was asking the question, have we heard anything on that potential mud mitigation grant from the state of Vermont? Nothing. So the legislature's adjourned now, so that means either it doesn't exist or we haven't heard about it, right? Right. And I don't think, you know, I guess somebody, I guess the governor could or somebody in the agency of transportation, if they got some funds could do it, but I don't think so. But that's a good point. I can call the secretary of the agency of transportation tomorrow and see if there's anything in, if anything's going on. That'd just be good to know. I agree. Yeah. Yeah. There was a lot of talk about that, and I haven't heard anything either, Randy, or I haven't seen anything in the press or you have to believe if they were, they were going to do something, we would have heard about it, but we never know. And we spent $76,000 on that. Right. Anything else, Dorinda? No, I think that's it. Okay. Thank you very much. So we're down to other business. I know Elliott's here, and he probably would like to hear about whether we're going to agree to the the shed that the bandstand committee is proposing. I just did get a text from, hold on here, let me bring it up. I got a text from from Paul Baffa saying, Peter, not sure when the bandstand shed item may come up, but wanting to emphasize the practical and preferred location at the meadow edge by the woods to be relatively close to the gazebo, otherwise just looking for a green light. So what he showed me, we looked at, was coming down from the old town garage up against the woods there, before the woods ends, like two thirds of the way down there. So it's relatively, it's tucked into the woods, but it's relatively close to the bandstand. And you all received the sketch that he sent with regard to the design and the colors and whatever else. And we've got, we've got Elliott here, if anybody has any, any other questions. I mean, again, this is a, what it's an eight by 10 building Elliott sitting on blocks. I don't have the design up in front of me. You're muted, Elliott. Yes, that's roughly the size. And we have a number of, I guess you call pieces of gear that we use when we do concerts at the bandstand. We have rolled up sections of rug, a couple of which are pretty heavy. We need those for the floor of the bandstand for acoustical reasons. During the off season and sometimes during the week, we store sandwich board signs that we put in various places out at I-89 Red Hen, Route 12 to tell people that there's a concert on and those are quite heavy. Traffic cones, there is a frame that we use for the sponsor banner. There are a number of things that we have there that we have to pull out six times a year during the summer. First concert this year is on July 6th. And it would be greatly appreciated. And all of the stuff has been stored in John Puleo's barn on Mali Supo Hill and it can't stay there. So we need to be there and this seems to be the best solution. We're willing to construct the thing and be responsible for it, maintain it, and we hope we can locate it in that place because that is convenient from the bandstand. Any questions for Elliott, board members? I'm not a board member, but can I say something? Yes, you may. Elliott, you got to keep it under 80 square feet or else you're going to need a zoning permit. Okay. I mean 80 square feet is fine, just don't go over 80 square feet. Okay, that's good. So the diagram that Peter sent out is eight by 12, so you'd want to reduce it to an eight by 10. Okay. Or I'll seek a zoning permit, but that's just going to add time. Yeah, we're hoping to do this in the next week or 10 days if we can. We ready for a motion? Someone? So the motion just to be clear, the motion would be permission to construct an eight by 10, no greater than 80 square foot building in the location that was discussed and in general accordance with the diagram that was submitted other than that it's going to be slightly smaller. Is there a second? Yeah, Dorinda, I'm sorry. I just had a quick question. What about insurance on this building? Is this something that's going to have to be added to our policy? I would say no. It's not our building. Right, it's not our building, so I just wanted to make sure that's clear. There's no expectation on your part Elliott that the town's going to be ensuring this building, right? No, the cost of the materials are going to be about $1,500, so yeah, there's no way. Right. Yeah, I mean you have no insurance policy on any of the stuff that's in there, you're not expecting us to ensure that. I can't imagine that the value of what's going to be stored there is any more than $1,000. Right, right. So yeah, it's your building, we're giving you permission to put it there. And this is just going to be sitting on patio blocks or something? Yes, your blocks are patio blocks, yes. So it could be, you know, could be removed relatively easily if it ever had to be demolished and removed. That's right. Or put on a trailer and remove. So I'll second it. You're seconded, I didn't think we'd second it, okay. So any further discussion? All those in favor of the motion, please say aye. Aye. Anybody opposed? Okay Elliott, you're good. Terrific, and everybody please come to the concerts. It's six Wednesdays in a row starting July. Good lineup. It's going to be incredible. Yeah. So Elliott, will you communicate with the ball just to save me having to respond to him so he knows what the story is? Oh yeah, absolutely. Thank you. Thanks guys. Okay, so we have a litany of minutes here that we need to approve. I'm not sure everybody was here for all those. I'm checking. So the May 3rd meeting, everybody was there. The May 12th meeting was Peter, Steve and Liz. So we'll just have to crack that off the list. The 17th everybody was there except for Liz. Where was I? I don't know. Oh, it's an emergency one. You had something. Yeah, I think so. The 17th was just the 17th, but you weren't there. And so that's where we are. And then the 24th, everybody was there. So you can do the 31st, the 24th, and the third in one motion, correct? Yes, but no one can do the 12th. Why can't we do the 12th? Because it was a really, we forget what it was, it was approving the filling station's outdoor consumption permit. It was a two-minute meeting. So it was Peter, Steve, and Liz. Oh, we were the only three people there, right? Okay. Oh, we need three people, don't we? Minimum. It's not even on, it's not even worn, so forget it. We're fine. Maybe I, oh yeah. So what we need is, we need a motion for the 31st, the 24th, and the third, right? And the 17th. And the 17th. I'll move it, that we approved the minutes of those dates. Is there a second? Yeah. Okay, thanks, Randy. So all those in favor of approving the minutes of the 31st, the 24th, the 17th, and the third? Yep. Please say aye. Aye. Okay. Any opposed? Okay, we've approved them. Good work. Now we need to just approve the minutes for the 12th, correct? You can't do it. We'll never be able to. Okay, we're just ignoring that. So we're good. Yes. We're all set. We've done the bandstand thing. We need, one thing we need to pay attention to now is, Steve has been one of the regular signers of the, of the order, so he will no longer be doing that. So we got to be sure that three of us at least sign the orders. I'll come by tomorrow on my way to work. Yeah, I'll be down in the morning. Okay, I will be down there tomorrow also, yes. I just want to update you that after all that sky, Barsh will not be holding her exercise classes at the, or yoga classes at the field. I know. What happened? No good deed goes unpunished. She just wanted me to let the board know, so. Okay, no, that's, that's good to know. Correspondents? No, I always send you the correspondence when I get it. I don't know. I know. I'm just trying to follow the agenda like a good person. So I guess, I guess just by the way of, by the way of closing, we all need to think about who. Phil, Phil's got a one, he wants a CV fiber update. Yeah, I got him. I'm sorry, I put you on, I put you on last field, but we just need to be thinking about thinking about if we can think of anybody we can recruit to be interested in the select board position. No, Sarah, Brigitte was interested, but she might not be interested right now. I think she might have, she could potentially have wanted to wait until someone's up for reelection and isn't running, but I can reach out to her. Okay. Okay. So what we'd be looking for is a letter of interest, right, Sarah? Yes, correct. Yeah. Okay. Peter, Peter. Yeah. Three people have texted me want to know how to, how to get set up to be, to do that. I told them they had to put in a letter to Sarah. Correct. Letter of interest. Three people. What's it been an hour? Wow. And they find out. They watch you. They watch us. Watching us on television right now. I don't know. Maybe they're zooming in on us. I don't know. Yeah, Randy. I just, I think that it would be a good idea to follow up on Phil's suggestion, you know, with a, with another new member potentially coming in to the select board. You know, when Phil brought up the idea of having Vermont League of Cities and Towns come to meet with us and have some discussions around just procedural stuff and all that kind of stuff. I know I was looking forward to that. And, and with a, with another new member potentially coming in, I think that that's something that we should follow through with. Yep. The other thing, the other thing that I would like to be, and we haven't really actively incurred, we've mentioned it in the past, but we haven't encouraged it, but the League of Cities and Towns offers all kinds of training for select board members, and we should encourage the new person, whoever they are, to take advantage of those classes, and we should agree to pay for them. Yeah, they're good. I mean, and you always have. I took them when I joined the select board. Yeah. No, no, no. Some people, some people have it. Some people have it, but I, I just think. But Sarah's going to post this on front porch form, right? Sarah, you're going to post it. I'm going to post it wide and far. Okay. So everybody can, and we'll just, we shouldn't have a special. Letters of interest by what is it, seven and 14. Is it the 24th? What is it? Was it the 21st or next meeting? You can consider, you can consider people then. Yep. Then we get ready to roll. They'll be able to start in the new fiscal year. Isn't that exciting. DRB's new select board. I would like to not be the only woman on the board who is not able to review the applicants if we're doing it on the 21st and I'm not around. Yes. Would you consider, will you have email ability when you're out there? Do you want me to just forward the applications as you go along? I know it's a vacation. That would be fine. I can forward those as you go along and you can send a letter of response. Sounds good. And those will not be an executive session. Those will also, you could also just cancel your triplets. That isn't a problem. Is it for something this important? No, I'm not canceling. No, I'm just teasing you. I'm just teasing you. So, yeah, a lot of change, changes of foot as they say, but I appreciate your comment, Randy. This is the perfect time to be doing that. Okay. I think we're all set unless anybody else has anything. Oh, I'm sorry. That's okay. We have a special meeting to talk about. No. I had a call today from the new executive director for CG fiber. I cannot remember her name, unfortunately, Janelle, something. They are in the final stages of design for middle sex. And they have identified an area where they're, I don't know, I can't remember what the actual terms are, but they need to put in this like basically a junction box. And they have identified an area by the town garage that so they can connect three different loops there. And understood that it was, you know, they sent me a back showing sites and would be wanted to know if we would consider giving them an easement to be able to set that junction box based on town land so that they can connect these three different loops coming in at that point. I told them we had a meeting tonight, you know, it wasn't boring. We couldn't take any action, but that I would bring it up by, you know, I thought it was highly likely that we'd be able to work something out. They've got a consultant working with them. And I said, we'd have to have, you know, legal easement language that we would pass by our attorney to review and see if that was okay. But anyway, it seems to make sense to me that that's something we'd want to support. Isn't there that, isn't there that telephone company box right there? Yeah, there's a lot of stuff. Oh, I mean, it would make sense to put it right next, I mean, I don't know what site they're proposing, but have all that stuff together. It's kind of off the side, just as you turn into the driveway to the town. Right, right. I forgot that. Yeah, that that may be one of the reasons they identified that site anyway. So yeah. That's Washington electrics. So that kind of goes with the the cooperative so Phil, is there any is there? Do you do you know if they would drop the easement or we would drop the easement? Do you know how that would work? Who would drop the easement? So we got to have an easement recorded in land records. Right. They have a consultant who I believe will drop the easement. Okay, I have her name. I have not had a conversation with her. I thought I would just bring this up tonight and then tomorrow or over the next day I'll try to connect with her and see if I could work out, you know, some more of the details. Because we could you could just bring the easement to the board and they could and the board could approve it then we could report it and start on it. You could that would be your up or down on that easement. I mean, I don't see, does anybody have any any problems or issues with that conceptually? I certainly don't. I want to do everything within recent to make this happen. Yeah. In my yard so I can be directly connected to the mothership. I can't. Exactly. That's what I said. I'll give them an easement. I can do it really quick. Well, do you know, do you know if there's a timeline or anything like that where they expect to release like their plan on what areas they intend to hit and then all that through this phase? Well, as far as middle sex goes, they're going to hit everything. We and in fact, I believe they're going to even over build Comcast territory because it makes sense because they got to go through to get to another part. They originally weren't going to do that, but it looks like that's that's going to happen. So competition. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So like, are we talking this fall or that's what I'm hearing. I'll probably know more after chatting with these folks on the easement, but if they're looking for easements, that to me says they're ready to build. Yeah. They're getting ready to go. Yeah. Well, it's exciting. Yeah. Yeah. I'm ready to run down the street with an extension card to plug myself. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. So that's good news. That's good news, Phil. I think that's that's sort of the last step before they actually start hanging wire and cooking stuff up. Yeah. I think you can get that easement done. We can give it to Halpert. Then we can just put it, but the next meeting, you know, just as fast as possible. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. All good. I also think it's great that the Weitzfield Telecom is going to manage this. I mean, they are, I can't think of a better organization to do this for for our partners. Right. Well, and I think that Washington Electric Co-op, who owns all the polls, is actually going to hang the fiber. Wow. They own the fiber. They can do the make ready, which is just, you know, having enough space for the cable to run through. And they've, they've been in partnership from fairly early on with CB fiber. So I think that's the way that's going to go. They're going to, they're going to do that piece. Somebody else probably is going to do things like these junk, junction boxes, and then Weitzfield Telecom is going to be the outcome. Yep. Coming into the new world. We're going to be in the new world. Oh, jeez. Unbelievable. Every, every house in middle sex is going to go up $50,000 in value. Absolutely. Raising fast. Yeah. Yeah. Wait. Good news. Good news. Okay. Now, everyone, I would say, I would say we're adjourned. So Liz, you will be here. You will be here for the special meeting. Yes or no? No. No. Okay. You're gone on Wednesday. Yeah. I leave Wednesday. I don't know what time I leave, but I don't want to count on it. No. Okay. Bon voyage. Thanks. Have fun. Bye, everyone. So do I get to drive the Tesla while you're gone? Just, just bring it over to my house. I'll take this. It's in Boston. And no. Sarah, do you want me to bring anything to Poland? Like my daughter or son, they're actually going to be here next week. So there you go. Perfect. Don't get, don't get sick and don't get COVID again. Otherwise, you'll never be able to come home. Believe me, I'm going to get a doctor's note. I think that they can attest that I am, I don't have to get tested. There you go. You'll be fine. Yeah. That's actually right. You won't. Yeah. Okay. Bye, everybody. Thank you very much. See you. Bye. Bye.