 Mm-hmm What's up, everyone? All right, I'm setting up when I set up my phone just so I could see I'm alive yet. I gotta run some tests here. All right. That was weird. See. Okay. I see what was happening Looks like I'm live We're doing this. All right back to the lives coming back All right, it's gonna take a minute to get set up. So let's go ahead and get comfortable settle in Open up your laptops get ready to geek out This is the season for geeking out for sure especially if you are a web nerd like me All right, we are gonna be doing a Q&A. We want to keep it totally open This isn't just me just talking but you know, we want to get some engagement like I'm here to answer all questions This is going to be a space where we could you know connect and You know how to do it the best that we can in this type of environment everyone Charlie what's going on man? How you doing? How you doing? Awesome and Artee all right. Welcome late night, right? Okay strange There it goes. Let me see if I could pin this up. All right Okay, I'm just starting to get a Get used to my controls right here. Get used to the setup. We're doing this. So We're doing this back to the live streams. I missed it You know, it's one of those things once you stop doing it It's kind of hard to get back into it and I just miss it So we're gonna do this and I felt this is a perfect time because it's black Friday We got a lot of things to look at to geek out on I Personally want to hear what all of you are planning for your black Friday What are you going to get because at this time of the year for us creators for us designers? Developers those of us. I love to geek out on our web tools. Well, this is The best time of the year to scoop them all up to try not scoop them all up We want to be careful not to get too many or to buy the wrong ones I know I bought some last year that I never even used like never even touched them We wanted to avoid doing that but at the same time there are some last year some deals that I missed out on And I want to make sure I get all my Get all my bases covered. How do I pin this? I should be able to pin. It's not giving me the option anymore I think I just need to play around with this a little bit more. All right, Charlie Got a question looking for a new chair any suggestions You know a chair is It's one of those things where You know you invest in it. You really get something out of it. I I True be told I spend money on things. I probably shouldn't and I'm a cheapskate on a lot of things I shouldn't be like a chair. I held out on getting a chair for years. I use the same chair Like it was comfortable when I bought it, but after a year of sitting on it Like, you know, the arm rest started to wear off my arms weren't comfortable on it So I got this one It's one of those ergonomics. It does all kinds of stuff and it's really really worth the value of the investment So I don't know but I know you're out there in the UK. So maybe if somebody else out in the UK has some You know has a chair like a super dope chair for Charlie dropping inside the chat Pablo going straight to it, right? I kind of had a feeling this is gonna come up and we yeah, we're gonna talk about it So Pablo Well, he's asking What do I think about the new Elementor plans? Yeah, definitely. This is a good time to talk about it because it's really fresh. It just came out They are You know causing quite a bit of stir in the communities right now like the communities related to WordPress and Elementor But I definitely have some thoughts Let me just get a little bit warmed up before I start spewing it out because uh, yeah, we'll definitely hit that topic Pablo Good question Okay, Dave didn't ask One of my diving into building with breakdance or full site editing I do not see full site editing in my near future. I do see breakdance though I'm just not ready for full site editing. The thing is like I really love using a page builder I love that workflow. I Have fun with it like when I started using Elementor. I felt like I was playing video games while creating something I'm feeling that way again now like my my Passion has been stirred up again with breakdance with bricks You know and that like You know just brought that excitement back like that initial excitement that I had several years ago when I started with Elementor I do want to try breakdance though. I Want to see what that's like especially for the WooCommerce Factors because I find that using WooCommerce with Elementor is really not a good combination I could go more into that if you like if you want to see why I do actually have a video coming up a Little bit about that, but I really want to see what breakdance does with it And I want to see if that whole flow is smoother plus I want to see what it's like You know coming from using Elementor to breakdance and you know, I want to see what that transition is like Especially since you know, we got another tool that's supposed to be more You know more of the next level of like Elementor direct competitor But you know with that whole cleaner code output because you know, that's the thing that drew me to bricks It's the thing that got me wanting to use oxygen But I didn't touch oxygen because well, I was still trying to master one tool back then when it came out Good question though, man. David. Are you using breakdance or are you using bricks? Are you still with L? What's your main tool right now that you've been playing with and why I would love to hear that Okay, and another good question. All right, superdup, you know what? We're just going to go ahead and jump into this Real quick. Let me see. Okay before I get into notion and we start the deep dive into Into like add-ons and tools because I have something planned for that because I need to start my list All right, I don't know if you guys have started your list yet, but I need to start mine Because you know next week it's on a kraken Artic yep, I'm I'm back here in Thailand. So I'm back over here as well Back here in the north And Charlie same chair for six years and it was a hand me down. I feel you man. I feel you That's me right there. I could probably go another six years with the right If it wasn't for like the armrests like starting to wear off and like dig into my skin Like that was the only thing that made me change it, but there are so many other problems with that chair Mmm That's good to see you. Welcome. Man. I'm so glad to see all you it's been too long All right, Dave didn't use bricks person. Okay. I'm sorry. I forgot to take this off. Take that off the screen. Okay You know what David you say use a bricks a lot personally an elementary with clients I'm pretty much in the same boat right now, you know, like I'm using bricks for my own projects We're getting ready to start the new life box our agency website. So we're gonna rebuild it with bricks. We've also Built our latest client projects with bricks But at the same time I do have other clients that I see element or just being a much better fit You know clients that Want to be more hands-on and I'm okay. I'm not against the client, you know, like beam hands-on with their own website I'm not against that But it's all depends on the situation as well Alright Pez always great. It's always great to catch you here. Okay. Check it out. So I'm gonna go ahead and get started right here. I got a little something here and We're gonna be adding a bunch of stuff. So what I really want to hear from all of you I want to hear you guys firing off tools You have your eyes on because you're gonna be adding all this stuff onto a list I'm gonna show you how I start my list like what I am looking for Tools that I think you should be looking at as well depending on what your goals are right now As far as your own web business and this way Everybody watching this because start just writing stuff down and look at everything that we write down it's not like we're gonna go jump and buy everything but at least we could get all this stuff create this list and Take a look and see exactly what it is out there because I remember last year There's one tool that I really miss one Black Friday deal. I really miss and that was the WP grid builder LTD I really miss getting that I did not know it was on LTD and it's like a tool that I really want to Use and I really see myself using because you know, we use like jet filters and we use that like with jet engine but sometimes we're using ACF or sometimes I just want something much lighter and Yeah, WP grid builder is like that tool that I've been wanting to Put inside my tool bag for short Alright, let's see here the Rosa shirt triggers LTD Whoa, I did not know that was on the LTD. Okay. Let me go ahead and really quick do a screen share Okay, guys are probably seeing something weird right there. I'm actually going to move this over here And I want to be able to see the chat so I'm not missing anything Okay, so I like to break down everything into categories That because you know, there's more than just web tools that I need. I'm also looking at design tools Design resources productivity tools things like that So I'm gonna put here I'm gonna call this and I'm gonna like basically put My toolbox is right here like what do I need in my toolbox? So first one is gonna be just my You know, I'm gonna bundle all this up into wordpress. I was gonna do an Elementor in a bricks Hmm, I could break all that down into my list right there. Okay. This one. I'm gonna call my design list I want my design tools I got some design tools. I stock up on every year. I'm gonna show you them and these tools They really really help me out on my design workflow I missed out on one of them last year and I'm a cheapskate like if it's like It's hard for me to spend a hundred dollars a year on a tool That I know I could have got for like 40 bucks on black friday And the thing is too by getting it on black friday I know that next year i'm going to have to renew my license and I get to renew it again on black friday So there was one tool and that was flaticon Yeah, I don't know why I did that Okay, now that's okay Flaticon If any of you use that Another one is evanto Elements That's another one. These two like I always find like I use them a lot And I've had the subscriptions for years But I let him go last year and I regretted it then I was too cheap to go and renew it Lana, what's up Lana? How are you doing so good to see you here? Awesome. Awesome Uh-oh Didn't mean to do that. I'm just catching up on the questions right over here Okay, okay. I got to write this down. Sure triggers is definitely one of them I also want to keep my eye on a sure card. I don't know what they're going to do But I do want to keep my eye on it and then I want to Continue this. Let me see specter pro I know I'm like fully Spelling things right here and I have released my aster pro now if I was Going back into like good if I was not going back If I was going to start using Gutenberg full site editor or something like that I would be looking at these and I've heard there's some good deals coming out with both of them All right. Now. I already got this one A while back like a couple years ago on black friday. Now. This is the one where I picked up a license For like three years in a row and then finally I just pulled the trigger on the ltd because I saw myself I'm going to keep using it and that was the croco block ltd So if you haven't got the croco block, that's always going to be one that I recommend Now, you know, I've bought on a lot of ltds in the past And to be honest, most of them I I have had Buyers remorse because I didn't really put them to use And my feelings now on let me uh, let me open this up Let me go back here. You know, my feelings on ltds now are a bit different I'm a bit more careful with it because a lot of times I get a ltd for a tool You know, like I don't really use that tool or I might use it a couple times Uh, for example fluent booking just came out on the ltd. I was really tempted to drop I think it was like 500 bucks, you know for 50 licenses But then like I had to really look like in my building in a year 50 booking websites that are all going to utilize that that ltd deal and think this is not I might have like one Two three sites a year that might be able to use that tool And if I'm only going to have you know that little number of sites that are going to use it Then it's better to just purchase it as needed And then also I could build a client that could go towards the client project right there I don't have to jump on it right away All right, just catching up here. Uh-oh You know what maybe can I do this? That's for two people or can I? Okay, I can do that But then I can't see the chat but Okay, I'm just playing around with this. Let me see Maybe I could put this up here Will that work? No, I got to cover the whole screen, huh? You know what it's all good The only thing is I can't really see the chats I don't know what this looks like. I have to see from my phone right now what it looks like Okay, other ideas everyone. Okay L6 says no regrets getting wp grid builder at this 99 for man that that was uh That was a great deal Yeah, see those kind of deals are the ones that I do regret and I don't want to uh Regret them. All right. So let me see here. Uh rosa put a good one. Let me see a groundhog And we're going to look up some of these as well So that's going to go into this one right here. I'm going to call this uh productivity card for list And the other one I want to do is sco list as well Or my agency we're getting far deeper into sco Now for the sco, I kind of feel like I I'm not expecting big deals on the tools I'm looking for like I'm looking at scm rush and search atlas uh I'm sure there's going to be a lot of other deals like app sumo deals But I got so many of those app sumo sco tools. Who else here has bought like 20 sco tools off the app sumo Raise your hand. Give a thumbs up. Let me know if you also have done that if you saw my uh product list on App sumo, uh, you see Okay, cool. So productivity uh groundhog And what is that with two g's la Rosa? Okay groundhog No, I haven't explored that right there. Uh, what I do want to look at is rise. That's a productivity tool I started using it. I'm gonna repurchase it. I've been wanting to but I first wanted to see if it does go on a deal Uh, have you guys heard of rise? Let me see here, uh Rise productivity What's rise now rise So this was on app sumo and this is one of the ones that I regret in not getting I use this for a little while and this tool is amazing if you're looking to uh, like Automate the time tracking and to really keep focus on the time that you are spending So if you want to get the most out of your time And you're like into stuff like this into productivity This tool is super super dope. Uh, you set it up yourself. You could customize it like I really like this Customizing your categories, but this right here like when I said it I didn't realize just how much time I was wasting Uh, the way that I look at this was this like really helped me to be more accountable on how I spend my time And not waste it. So I hope this is showing Okay, it is you know what this is cool. I haven't done this type of split screen now that I'm looking at my phone right now I'm like, damn, that's kind of dope. Okay All right, just geeking out over here. All right. What else do we got? So wp creative builder Let's go ahead and add that to wordpress And then all right, uh Type today You know daft didn't ask about what tools I'd be looking at for brick. So I'm going to uh Create a list just for bricks Because I have got a really dope toolbox and You know like The tools that came out for bricks have been phenomenal so far Now, I don't know if they're all going to go on black friday cell. Uh, the developers of some of these tools, uh Lot of times they don't like doing black friday cells like they really see the value in what they built It's high quality and I totally get it. I respect it But I still will double check number one top of the list is going to be advanced themeer Like even building brick sites after I've done a few of them with advanced themeer It's really hard to build another one without it. This one. I'm really happy. I got the ltd when I first dropped I got it just because maximi was like a really cool guy who helped a lot of people I knew he had a lot of skills as a developer. I had no idea this tool was going to be so amazing In fact, this is up there with one of my top plugins of the year Uh, by far hands down like this is up there in my top three plugins of the year I think this is phenomenal what he's built if anybody here is using advanced themeer bricks I'm sure they're going to back me up on this one All right, I want to okay, uh else egg asked Since I got a mac why am I not using shortcuts? I'm not good with shortcuts. I forget them You got to understand I came from like I didn't grow up with a computer I grew up in machine shops and construction sites so like Shortcuts I I get a few of them with some tools, but I can't be all over the place Uh, I've I've tried but yeah, it's just It doesn't work for me. So yeah That's why But I I know my way around the toolbox really well though Bricks x-rust. Okay. This is another one as well. I absolutely love this add-on right here for bricks Bricks x-rust This is so well coated. In fact, you know, uh, when Oxygen dropped and started getting a bit bigger Uh, I dipped my toes in it. I wanted to try using it And uh, it was still early on and uh I was still really into elementary. It was working really well for me at the time So I didn't dive all the way in but then I saw their add-on. I was looking at the add-ons that Oxygen has and they had one called oxy extras And like looking at that compared to elementary add-ons. It was just like whoa this all of them were like super fast Very well coated super clean and it's not that like the elements or add-ons, you know, are poorly coated It's just they're using elements or a code which is really really thick So, you know, when I saw the oxy extras, I was really this close to jumping into oxygen Just so I could use that add-on Then when uh, bricks came out the same team built the bricks extras. I didn't even think twice I got it and it is a solid tool definitely up there in the top Now frameworks frameworks are really important. So you definitely got to check out acss absolutely frames is Another one too to check out they both, you know, I'm going to put this together because these Just flow together right here So acss and frames is definitely a solid option to check out and so is a core framework And this is by the team that did uh motion Oh god, I forgot the name The motion plug in with the g-sap and all that but it's really really good. In fact right now You know as we like myself and my team as we're looking to really dial in our workflow with bricks Uh, we're looking at How we could utilize these frameworks and you know, it's it's For for me at least and for us. It's it's a little bit of We do a project. We looked at how we could do it better We do another one then we look at how we could do it better And then we do a couple more and then really we could get an overview Of how we could best approach all of our projects. So with that, you know, we're looking at the frameworks And I want to see now that we're dialing in our framework for bricks I want to see if it's possible to use something like this like inside elements work. It's an experiment I don't know. We'll see how that is if anybody's done that. Please let me know Okay, I'm going to catch up on some other questions The rosa I feel you Man they give me all the time like seriously like check it out This is right here like I don't know if you guys could see this right here on my screen, but in my tap These are all the tools I'm looking at right now at uh At app sumo. So I got a few there's another one though. This one get terms I got my eye on this one. I think I might pick it up. Has anybody used this yet I'm really curious to hear how it's been for people now You know, I'm a little hesitant if I don't see like four and a half tacos You know, if I see like four and lower but when I went to the reviews It all seemed like a problem with the login that caused us some bad reviews But you know, that was a while ago and maybe they got that sorted already, but yeah, this is my uh, this is my mess right here All right, what else do we got rise definitely check out it's riz E.io For anybody who wants to work on productivity Squirrely sco I heard good things That's a really good buy on uh, that's a really good buy for app sumo I think it's back on there right now. It was just on there Uh recently I'm personally an sco press guy and I find that like in fact that needs to go on the list If you guys haven't added this on the list definitely add it on the list sco press Pro look at the free the the paid version of this is only 50 bucks a month and that is you know, that is for Unlimited websites and I think like you probably get like 10 bucks or something off with like 30 40 bucks for unlimited websites for a pro version Of the sco tool and and sco press like in my opinion. It is I feel it's the top I mean it's up like rank math is up there as well But personally, I really think sco press is One of the most solid solutions Slim sco though at the same time is another option You can get away with that using it for free, but I think it has add-ons I'm going to add that to the list anyways because it is a tool that I want to look at slim sco Now this let me see if I could pull that one up right now But I've been hearing a lot of good things about this and I do want to use it a little bit more Uh, this is supposed to be a really good option for anybody. Just want to do basic sco because look at a lot of the times You know people aren't using the schema and like really optimizing everything Like to that level but just being able to make sure pages are indexed correctly You know the methods are set up correctly Your keywords are in there and it's just sco friendly It's supposed to be a really good option, especially because It's super lightweight. It's just really really lightweight, which I'm a fan of So I also want to get this inside my toolbox as well Yeah, I think it was uh david that I heard it from All right, let me go back to our life I think you guys could see me. Oh, it's The screen share wasn't showing Still getting the cobwebs off of me. Okay So here is slim sco because the screen share Uh wasn't showing up in that corner right there All right, let me catch up on this so bricks extras most definitely Uh dab didn't I I don't know what was 89 bucks? Sounds like it was a good deal whatever it was Okay, john asked about uh arc handling multiple bookmark folders and subfolders. It's excellent Like these pages aren't being loaded. I have things for different projects right here and I love it. Like I'm able to set up things so like right now I don't need to go looking up a bunch of stuff This I can't go back to chrome after using arc Especially when you start to get into it like really using the spaces and organizing them It it just makes the productivity so much better because at any Uh, like any day I could be working on say like three to four different projects. It might be something for Uh tutorials something for youtube. It might be something for a client Something for some design. I might be working on a course So I have each of these sections these spaces Uh Automates I got like, you know my seo course coming up right here, you know So I want to make sure yeah, it's it's once you use it you can't really go back to chrome And uh as soon as it's out for uh, what is it? Uh windows? I think it's going to be used a lot more All right, okay any suggestion for customer ticketing system I'm glad you brought this up uh because I do have one and that's going to be uh fluent support You know, I got the ltd on this one to drop I only got like this. I think I got the single or the three side license on this Uh, and we started setting it up next year We plan because you know, we're putting some focus in the agency and we're going to be doing some things at a Higher agency level. We're going to be utilizing fluent support For a ticketing system for support So this is definitely a solid tool I like fluent, you know, like I like their tools Uh One of my favorite plugins is fluent crm And the thing I like about them is you know, they work like an ecosystem. They work together. They talk together So if you're going to use multiple fluent Uh multiple fluent tools, this is definitely a good Solid solution right here now They're going to have black friday. They have it all the time I don't know if they're going to have an ltd though It looks like they have a discount here, but I'm not sure if this is a Normal discount or black friday discount, but let's go ahead and add that to the list So we're just going to put everything by fluent You know, like I'm probably I haven't got it yet, but I might pick up the fluent form ltd like, you know, uh When I use elements or I use elements or forms, but now I'm using more of like bricks and experimenting with other tools I feel like having like a tool like that is helpful But this is the one I also want to check out. I got my eyes on ms form If a deal comes up for this, especially if it's an ltd, which I'm not sure if that'll ever happen, but If it does, I am picking this one up right here So this is a tool that I think many out there should be looking at right here like this tool I got barely dipped into it. I've done my research on it and this seems to be like The up-and-coming top dog right now Yeah, so definitely put that on your list. Okay, let me jump over and see what's happening inside the chat Have a sip of my tea right here Okay mem time set of rise mem time Oh interesting. You can automatically log in into your tool. Let's check it out Okay You know what? I'm going to bookmark this Let me throw that inside my raindrop. I want to take a look at that Let me just drop it here for now actually Yeah, I'll drop it here for now I'm gonna circle back to it. That's a good find mem time You see this is a kind of stuff right here that I'm I was hoping To hear from everyone. I hope you guys are seeing some stuff too and uh writing some of this stuff down Okay, advanced theme are already disclosed or black friday plan. Okay, cool If do they still have I don't think he has an LTD. I don't know if he's going to do LTD though But if there was an LTD on advanced theme or go for it if you plan on using bricks, definitely Put that thing inside your Inside your Your toolbox, you know, there's another one. I got my eye on so Really quick back over here to bricks. There's a few more Bricks forge already got the LTD on it, but this is one of those ones. I did not regret so Check out bricks forge, but this one I don't have Bricks maven I want to check that one out and see if they come out with the deal Looks pretty dope. It's basically like a template tool Where you could use it with your own css. You can use with acss for a core framework And just build outsides really quickly. I want to see how that works. So that's going to be interesting All right, let me go back here Okay, abdi. What's up abdi? Client manager is that still on app sumo? I think I saw that on app sumo to do what is into my tab Client manager. Here we go Really? Hmm Okay Well, I already have it in some of my tabs. So check it out but We got my man stewart inside the lightbox pro academy I don't even know if I should be saying this I hope I'm not disclosing anything stewart if I am my bad But he's been creating a really really dope a client management plugin or not like software platform And I've been like testing it and I see us using it for my agency So it'd be cool to see this but I really do look for for when my man's Platform is ready. I really look forward to showing you guys because like for a Dedicated web agency that does maintenance plans like you know gets all the clients that really focuses on maintenance plans long-term relations with clients buys a lot of plugins has to manage all these plugins manage expenses Licenses all that kind of stuff to have a tool built for us Imagine that A tool built for us for just us web creators that builds websites for clients does maintenance plans It doesn't have a bunch of fluff. It doesn't have a bunch of stuff. That's you know that You know the the language doesn't match the kind of stuff that we do It's just straightforward. Man that tool right there Uh That's dope. That's something I could see you know helping an agency like ours And I'm sure uh many of you out there building websites for clients Yeah, see I haven't got termageddon yet You know, I want to some of these Terms plugins could be very pricey And it's not that you know, we don't have the money for it. It's more like this is very expensive You know, it's just like a lot of these accessibility tools. I feel they are way overpriced Not to say termageddon is I'm not saying termageddon is overpriced uh I just want to see like I don't know. I want to see if get terms could help us save money before we pull the trigger and like Get a bunch of termageddon licenses You know, like for me, I just like to cut expenses down, but I do see That that is a big expense right there. And also, you know, I'm out here in So I think if I was back in the u.s working with only u.s clients Uh, it might be a little bit different like that investment would make a whole lot more sense So I'll see, you know, I'll keep you posted. I'm going to pick up get terms. I already know I am I can see it I've been wanting to get something like that anyways like on an ltd basis So, you know, I'll do that and maybe I'll do like a comparison Uh video coming up between that and like termageddon and maybe some of the others as well All right. Pez also a fluent CRM fan Once you use fluent CRM you really use it. It's it's a beast. All right Dav didn't say she's happy with bricks forge Dude, I cannot keep up with the new features. That's the only thing like I don't touch it for like a month come back It's like change. It's like double the features in it Uh, they're all welcome features, but god, they're pretty fast the way they come out Okay, that's a very good point working the termageddon price into the website care plan. All right. How many people are still here? Uh, what do you guys think about the new pricing structure from elements? Or what's what's have some fun right now? Let's not just have fun. I don't want to just like uh Talk negative because I feel like you know, I feel like when we focus on the negative We're only putting out negative energy now. Some things happen that I don't agree with Uh, that I feel like could have a negative impact but For me personally what I have to do is I have to let me stop this right here. I have to like Stop and pause you know, I have to like Reflect and I got to look at how can I Change things. How can I make this situation better? How can I turn? negative into a positive In our industry things change so quickly If we get bent out a shape over a change that doesn't agree with us And the direction that we're going in Then we're going to get jaded quickly, you know, we're going to get resentful we're going to Cast blame and stuff like that and I'm also I'm speaking about myself because I know myself well enough like where I go to You know, like if I allow myself if I don't you know, keep that self-awareness up and stop myself before going though so you know, uh I was really like I saw the news last last night and I did go to bed with like a mega, you know feeling Slighted I I don't know if that's the right word. I went to bed and it was a rough sleep But that way I just didn't sleep well, you know and uh You know because I I I do care, you know, and I care about the community. I care about web creatives I care about people using these tools to build businesses Uh, I know how much hard work and dedication goes into it And when I saw that move last night, I felt like, you know, this isn't in the best interest for freelancers agency owners and people building websites for clients and uh That's okay. It's not my business like that's not my choice some things. I just don't have the power of Like I could go ahead and voice my opinion and stuff like that uh, but Uh what I was Why why I like to surround myself around good people is because when I woke up this morning and I went to our lightbox pro community, which is our You know our private community on circle Uh, the first thing that I saw was one of our members posting. How could we turn this around? To use it to our advantage And I love that like right then and there's like that's That's the kind of things that that's the kind of mindset and things we need to look at now I'm with the L stack. I can't find anything positive about the new plan But what I can't find positive is how could we flip this around? You know, like Like is this is this a an opportunity for us to focus more on, you know, uh Like really Solidifying our maintenance plans or is this a way for us to add a new service? Like say a client doesn't want to take on a maintenance plan like an idea I had when this came up was, you know, some clients. They just don't want to pay 100 150 bucks a month They don't like they don't see the value in it or they just can't afford it But they probably could afford one to 200 a year for like an essentials very basic minimal maintenance That includes a license This way too, we can still keep our relationships or our clients We can make sure our clients are being taken care of we're not breaking any rules or doing any reselling because that's not okay to do But we're you know, there's there's things we need to look at and pivot Another thing too is this could be one of those things that just Gets us out of our comfort zones and starts to look at other alternatives that way not saying to leave Elementor and jump ship like get all angry and upset But you know it does there comes a time where we all grow and evolve. So that's my take on it now I'm not thrilled about it. I don't agree with it You know, uh, I didn't sleep well I think that's just sum it up right there. Like I did not sleep well after hearing that news How about you guys like what are your thoughts on it and and try to give your thoughts in a constructive way You know, not like in a You know, I saw inside the threads and I totally get it and I felt like My first reaction was a knee jerk reaction too. Like I got punched in the gut like wait, what? No, you know, I I just don't like this type of pricing structure in general You know, it's the reason why I stayed away from like gravity forms and stuff like that Because you know, sometimes you need a form That could do everything that the form could do like they built it out It could do it all But the only way you could get that feature is if you buy like the unlimited We only need it from one website. I don't like that. I feel like I'm being forced to buy something I don't need You know, and so for me just personally, I just don't like that type of pricing structure But you know what I have to say this about Elementor uh They listen They always have They they make mistakes. They're they're another business. They got you know, they got decision makers that You know, they have to do what they have to do to run a business Uh But in the past, you know, like when there's been an outcry like this, they have listened And I have to give it up to them on that so I like right now. I choose to be patient. I want to see Uh, you know I want to see how everything unfolds Everything's quiet. What happened the chat got all quiet You guys asked for this in the very beginning of the chat now we got all quiet Got too real. I don't know or everybody's just left. I don't even know who's here All right, I got to start bringing on uh more people. So I do I'm going to be keeping these going uh We're going to keep them going I don't want this to stop. All right Oh, okay. Well, okay before I do my big outro You can tell it's starting to get late. So guys one thing you have to know about me is I got a little bit older. So, you know when it starts to get late like nine o'clock like right now It's 10 minutes to nine. I'm already getting ready for bed and when I when I get past that point The filter is gone. Like I just start You know, so I definitely will put my foot in my mouth, but do you know what? I don't care I think this is the best time to do this because this is uh the time where we can talk and get real All right, charlie, uh from thailand divers is asking what big change. All right, so Here here here's what happened. Uh Last night elements were announced a change in their plans Uh, particularly their essentials plan. So the essentials plan is for the single site license That single site like, you know, it's like I forgot how much it's like 60 something, you know It's just for one website. So usually this is going to be a license that somebody brand new to building a website Just want to build a website from the cells will buy this might be a license that Uh, you know freelancers or agency owners might want their clients to buy because maybe they don't want to give them, you know License them themselves. They want them to have their own license Elements or change that plan coming I think it's december 4th Where anybody new buying this plan it's not for existing users only for new users who buy that plan Aren't getting all the features anymore. They're not going to get the form submissions. They can't do dynamic tags With like a cf. They can't use the custom code Uh, some of the form pro features are removed CSS is you know, the option of putting the css is removed Woo commerce is removed completely They basically stripped it out and they made it What I feel is really not usable like I would not build a client's website with that. There's there's no way Now It does not affect new users But but If you do have The essentials plan right now Later on in some updates you might not get them. You might not get new features being added Uh inside the essentials now if you have the other plans like the agency plans and pro plans or expert plans I'm not sure that I get so confused with all the names and that was another thing too There's just so much confusion around this Uh, if you have those then everything should say the same everything's going to say the same Elementor has always been good at grandfathering people like I'm grandfathered in from like a very old Elementor plan that I got like five years ago. So they never raised it. I have to give kudos on that because Uh, not everyone's done that. I think it was uh, wp rocket raised on me Even though they said they're not going to raise they raised on me. All right But yeah and it caused Yeah global classes. Yeah Okay, I was trying to catch up on here. But yeah, that's basically what happened and uh They announced it and it did not go well inside the communities. It did not go well at all. Uh So i'm pretty sure with you know with such uh With such a negative, you know, uh Response from the community. I'm pretty sure elements were like I know those people. I know them over there You know, I know them personally like a lot. They're they're good people over there Uh, some of them I even consider friends and they're good people that just want the best, you know And I there's some people that I don't know that are making all the money. So I you know, it's like They listen though and I got I got you know, we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens Dafton, what's this? What what's this? Maybe global classes and a way to unwrap this. Oh my god, dude. That would be so dope You know, what would be really cool? I would love to see a pro mode You know an element or a pro mode where you can just turn it on pro mode And it strips out all those wrappers like a strip some out Even if it limits some of the stuff that the builder could do Cuts out all that stuff like we don't use like, you know, those who build the websites over and over Even have something like global classes. But like It just kind of like transforms it like into this, you know, less Divnested type of thing. I would love to see something like that I always wondered is elements are secretly working on something I kind of feel like if they were smart and they are smart people I kind of feel like if they were smart that They'd be working on something like another project kind of like what Lewis did with break dance Like not tell anybody like everyone's like oxygen oxygen And Lewis was just in the back like yeah, I got something else. I wonder if Elementor is doing something like that, you know, like Trying to make some bricks level element or you know for like for pro users that That would be interesting if anybody here is from Elementor and has an insight And wants to be you know wants to leak it go ahead If you're gonna leak it, please do it on the light box alive Let me see here Yeah, that's so see they won't be adding the new features Yeah, yeah, that's Yeah, that that's a little bit rough right there. That's a rough one James man. Okay, you add No, we are not just answering questions on Elementor. This is To be honest, look, I'm gonna be straight up with you guys I love talking about the web design business more than anything to me This is the most important thing like that. I would love to add value in so Definitely fire away. I will love our Our conversations to go inside that direction because I believe it's going to help Everybody the most like too. We can have fun geeking out on tools and stuff like that But at the end of the day the web business the web business is what really Impacts our lives. So definitely definitely please ask those type of questions You know, we're gonna keep it open. I want to see if some good questions come in I'm not in a rush anyways like it when it starts to get late because I just start to Just start to uh, you might see me say something I shouldn't I can't really edit these they go out there and it's all good And Elementor 4 like Divi 5. I haven't even checked out Divi 5 yet. Is that any good? Let me see here. I heard of something like that Okay, it's him Ada, is that what it is? But that was a long time ago. I was like half a year ago huh Well, let's go to the homepage. All right, no signs about that yet Anybody else here start with Divi and come from Divi straight to Elementor? I was just like, oh, there's a live chat somewhere You remove that, you know, I got to start doing my Black Friday list too I know my plan was to do a lot more of it I'm gonna do something though, you know, like we're gonna be back here next week So next week on Wednesday like the same time Uh You know, so I'm gonna have my Black Friday list like solidified Uh for everybody But definitely I would love to hear more of what you guys are also looking at for Black Friday too because I want to get some ideas as well. I want to see if there's anything I'm missing out there I don't know. I can't put that one up on the screen Maybe you can build a dating platform with Elementor Yeah, you know what? So Divi 5 coming out next year, it's like they took a long time to do that You know the smaller move would have been a few years like several years ago They should have been like rebuilding it Because uh, they're going to be coming into some stiff competition. I hope they do well like really, uh I hope they really, uh You know plan everything well because they really got some solid competition right now. All right He tried on the test machine You know, I I'd be honest the very first times I tried Elementor I wasn't feeling it either It wasn't until one night. I just like went all out on it And I got into like this video game mode and that's how it felt like it felt like I was playing the video game That was also early on as well like really early on pez. This is how I started to So I started also with WP bakery Man, hey, have you had a client that you built their site on WP bakery? and uh And then like three four years later you're using Elementor And they come back to you and they need some help Like you're like sure I could help out We could add those new pages and they jump back into WP bakery like oh my god. Like what am I doing here? Like why did I say yes to this? I did it. It was such a mess and that I remember the last time I did it. I looked at it I'm like, I don't want to touch anything like this anymore And that was it. I've been the decision. I won't touch WP bakery Someone has a WP bakery site. They need a rebuild And we could do that for you. All right. Laura has a question Uh, I have a client with two sites and I'm wondering if I should offer them a custom care plan discount option instead of charging them For two separate plans You can you can it all depends. I would try not to Uh, I would try to well, you know the thing is okay when it comes to maintenance plans I personally believe I truly believe the most value in those plans is the support Is being able to have you there You know, like even if they don't talk to you for months and months at a time Just by having you there when they need you is the highest value they could get it's like, yeah hosting is good Backups is good Security all that stuff is really important but that support And your commitment to them to be there for them when they need you is the highest value So with that said if it's one client but has two sites Uh, you're basically Still there for the client in the same way. So I would I would give some wiggle room You know, like I'm okay with that Like I have clients from multiple sites do and I've given some Custom plans, but what I would do first was I would first give them an initial offer Like hey, like for us we charge starting point. Uh, $100 a month Uh for maintenance they have two sites. Like, okay, that'd be, you know, 200 a month I would try to like get a feel now if you already know like they're on the budget they're already like showing signs like Like, you know, we want to get it but it's kind of a lot Then, you know, like, uh, I would give an offer like I'm not against that At all now if it's one site and a client's trying to get a discount on just one site I would not budge on that. I wouldn't do that. But this one client with multiple sites Uh, I'm totally open for because what I found too with clients that have multiple sites They tend to sometimes have three four or five. This is a client. I do want to launch from relationship with so Uh, yeah, I would be flexible with them All right, james got a quick question. All right, so I'm a freelancer currently based in ijeria and I'm trying to get us or you Or europe clients, but no luck fiverr and up work. All right cuts off But it says fiverr and up work are really saturated. Absolutely You know, like what what do you think? Uh, a client from the us or europe is looking for when they go to fiverr You know, that that's the first question you got to ask yourself and figure out that one And then you got to ask yourself. Do you want to be that guy? Do you want that kind of client? You know, I can tell you right now a client from, you know us europe or a western country when they go to fiverr They're looking for something to get done cheap really quickly You know, and that is not the way that we want to have a relationship with a client And i'm sure if you you know want to like connect with those clients There's other ways of doing it besides those Switch it around And don't look at how can I find those clients, but how could those clients find you? How can you put yourself in front of them in different ways? You know, there's many other ways to find clients a very good way are inside communities A lot of the people I hire and I work with Are in communities that I see in they're actively helping people They show their personality they engage so I already know what kind of a person they sort of are You know, like i'm attracted to that right there. So that's one option You know another option is make sure you got really good skills Something that stands out not like, you know, not not cheap or low level work Make sure you got something really good And push yourself to develop the skills. It takes time. It doesn't happen overnight But push yourself and then you could use those skills and then I mean you you can You use that really to a strong advantage Because you're able to then like show. Hey, this is what i'm capable of And i'm ready to like do this for you i'm ready to dedicate, you know Like this for you and then you can start just reaching out to people They're there you have to get in front of them But if you are on fiber and you're doing fiber quality work And not to say that there isn't any talent on fiber But when you have like fiber developers who are turning around websites for 20 bucks an hour You cannot expect that developer to put any care Into anything, you know, because in order to put care you need to have That payment to give you the time the time to manifest that love and care to put into the project So there there's quite a few things to work on first And I would start there I would start on you know, what kind of a person what kind of a client Not just a client from the country, but think about that person You know, like what is that person's problem? What are they looking for? Why are they looking for somebody? Why do they need this help right now start answering those questions to really understand your your target audience your target market Also for anybody out there who is like in a country where the the economics are vastly different from like the us and being able to partner with like With with a client in the us would have a really big impact Especially if it was like a really decent pay not not I don't believe in doing cheap. I can't stand it you know, like I'm so against doing cheap like paying cheap work because I Don't like seeing us be devalued any of us I just don't think people in our profession that work hard should be devalued But it's up to us to work hard in order to build that value You know, there's a big opportunity because there's a lot of Uh agencies a lot of agencies like mine And you wouldn't believe how hard it is to find somebody good to partner with If you were to get really really good Get really good be really dependable learn how to listen follow the direction learn how to do all these other skills And like really add value You you could find an agency to work with And you could do really well Because it is hard to find really Good people inside this industry You know, so I hope that helps out man. I hope that helps out. You got more questions like that Please drop it here because this is the kind of stuff. I really love uh talking about this is the kind of stuff that I really want to see web creatives web designers developers I want to see You know Grow and have good lives sustain not just sustainable but beyond that All right, let me catch up here. Let me get a sip too James if you have any follow-up questions, man, drop them in here. We're here, man And pet says use in bakery is like a alien language. Man. It's a disaster It is crazy trying to jump back into it. I can't believe I've built with that for you know, a few years It is crazy. You're in the back end. It's like all little blocks trying to click in and click. Oh my god Yeah, I can't believe that I I used to do that Rustam Agency lightbox It's just lightbox The company name is lightbox digital But lightbox is our agency originally I started off as jedi sites. Now. I know like you see like, you know Like paul and you know, you see all like, you know, the super dope cats like the youtubers with the the the uh Star Wars in the background. I got star wars all over my body, you know, like I don't know if you guys notice but like I'm inked up all with star wars My dog's name is yoda. I just got a new puppy. Her name is princess leah You know, so my first agency is uh, what's called jedi sites It's still the same agency But then we started working with some brands that are like pretty high name And I started realizing that, you know, it's it's time to uh Change because I didn't want any, you know I didn't want mickey mouse coming to my door Doing some ganks or stuff like you see it on south park, you know Right pes says if they want cheap, let them go get cheap. Yep It's all right, you know cheap clients like people who want something really quick like if they're expecting like a website for 50 bucks 100 bucks Those are the so worst kind of client you could possibly get You know, like I understand it. I understand you want to you know, like You know save money, but in that way that's yeah Like to me the biggest red flag that I could get from a client is when a client shows they don't value What's being done? You know that that to me is the worst. I'll never forget one time like I was new and uh There was somebody I used to work with out over here and uh, I didn't really get along with him and it's like we You know, we call him snitchy richie, you know He used to snitch a lot and just try to get people in trouble. Look, I didn't really get along with the guy Uh, but then somebody said hey, can you help me help him build a website? And You know at the time like I'm a brand new web creator like I need to make money Like my first year I barely made it living off of noodles Uh, so I did it but the website came out actually kind of decent like it wasn't bad Like even when I looked back like you know at the time Uh, even though it was a newbie it was like cool that I ran into him had uh had a Restaurant say okay. Just like I'm doing short time like oh this guy You know, but I still did the the whole polite thing. They said yeah, man that website came out really good I just let my boy do it though. He he could do all that stuff really good Probably could build it better his kid was like five years old And I I can't I can't explain how much that hurt, you know, and I still hold on to it Like I I forgave him for like I don't hold any resentment against him. I hold some If you didn't hear it came out, but at the same time like I hold on to that as like a reminder To not work with anybody if they show signs that they do not value What I do if they don't value the art of web design and development You know like it's it hurts, you know and we need to build our esteem we need to build our confidence And clients like that is going to tear it down And that's just going to have a long-term effect And I feel that when you know, some of us You know, I'm just kind of connecting the dots right here as as I'm saying this But I feel that Some of us You know, we get stuck in that rut of doing projects for really cheap for clients who don't value us And it just perpetuates it continues because we keep working with people who don't value us So like the best way to build self-esteem is to do esteemable acts, you know But when we are letting people devalue us It's having it's doing the opposite to us So it's just something that to be very careful about And to look out for But the thing is that's the reason why we got to work hard and get good Like I believe that any of us could get good By really working hard like I I barely knew like I can't do shortcuts, you know, like you saw how I type I did not grow up with a computer. I barely learned how to use a computer like eight years ago Just under eight years ago, you know, I came out of a warehouse and and workshops and You know, like so this stuff all could be learned with hard work All right, any tips on Using multi-link with sites. Uh, that's a really good question. Uh Start off with translate press. It's easiest. I found to get started with wpml It's pretty complicated You're going to run into a lot of like issues with strings and stuff But uh translate press, especially if you're using like uh elements or it works very very well with it And we do a lot of tie websites like in tie in english And that's a really hard language to do a multi Site for and we're able to uh do it So yeah, start off there start off easy kind of get your feet wet Don't jump into something super crazy with wpml and all the add-on. So that would be my tip Uh, andrew scotland's in the house. It's all good. Do you know what that's kind of on me though as well Andrew, I haven't done one of these in a while But I do plan to bring this back and make it more consistent and predictable plus we'll keep them up though So, you know, I think it's stuck in traffic. It can always put it on Yo mark, what's up, man? It's so good to see mark in the house, dude I would love to do one of these lives with you someday. In fact, I'm going to hit you up on that man Mark if you guys don't know and haven't been to wiki design yet, definitely go to that youtube channel Mark is definitely dropping a whole lot of value over there. I love that channel So that is one that I feel everybody here should be checking out most definitely you're going to learn a lot of good stuff over there Okay client email to you got me with that right there. Andrew I always love always love like these posts or what's coming next and like ooh, okay What's the client saying? All right client email me today saying he's had a lot of spam Despite clicking the unsubscribe link in the email footers Oh, okay. Well, do you know what there's? I mean is a spam If if there's a Unsubscribe in the footers then it must be going directly to his email not from a contact form I'm guessing because uh, I don't think that option is a sort of contact form And if they're getting a lot of spam to like their email to their email probably got sold somewhere and ended up somewhere You know, uh That just got picked up. I like some Russian bots It sucks when it happens and sometimes when it happens it just comes Really really hard, you know, like it just hits it really hard Weirdest thing happened like, you know, I'm using turnstile on our site It's been really good at preventing spam But just this last week one just one blog post the same exact blog post is getting like about a good four or five Spam comments coming through I think they're even beating turnstile on it, but it's like just that one link So like that one link somehow made its way Into something that's automated and just hitting them. Uh, yeah, so You know, okay, so what I do when I find like I first off I have several different emails uh I use my emails for different things like I got my business email. I got my junk email uh Because I know that people are going to sell it and stuff like that if I start getting like spam to one of my emails uh I block it Like I don't even click the unsubscribe like I could tell this is a phishing. This is a spam This is like a dirty dirty email. I just report and block report and block now Be careful with that because like I have somebody do that to me in one of my campaigns who subscribe And it was not a spam like I'm not sending out spam uh It's only two subscribers and the unsubscribe is I I actually Added some css to make it bigger and easier like a lot of people like to make the unsubscribe like Completely unreadable like four pixels, you know, I like to make it really big because I only want people on my email list that uh that really, you know, want this kind of contact content Uh want these kind of promotion stuff like this and if they don't want it anymore I want to make it super easy uh to bounce but I did have somebody instead of just clicking that You know and that hurts like the email, but you could tell you could tell if they're spammy report block And then they'll go away All right guys before I think we're getting ready to bounce off now before we do I'm going to keep it for Open for two more minutes All right two more minutes. It's 9 18 over here might be a little delay Just for any questions. I want to make sure like you know Answer any questions and stuff like that. Then I'm going to bounce Okay, we do got a good question. This is actually a really good one man. This is a really really good question. All right James, uh What do I think about cold emails? So you're currently thinking about reaching out to other freelancers for some sort of referral agreements All right There's a difference between a cold and a warm email Cold emails to me are like mass emails like you're just reaching out to tons of people Just trying to cast a big wide net with something a bit generic to bring them in That I am completely against and doing that kind of a cold email Like, you know cold outreach Uh, I feel is going to yield the same results as you know going like on fiber and stuff like that Uh, personally I get emailed, you know daily From that not like people reaching out saying like hey, jeff, you know like, uh I really love like, you know your videos what you guys are doing and stuff like that Just want to connect and see maybe if I don't get messages like that very often The cold emails are just like hey, we noticed like your website could be looking better And it's just like wait, do you know what we do? You want to help me with my website, you know, but those are just cold and Like just think of the word cold You know, that's how that relationship begins in a very cold way Now we got warm emails as well and a warm email Is more subtle it takes more time it takes more Uh It takes more more care it takes more thought And that is like really connecting with somebody, you know connect with somebody with a purpose Because of somebody and I every now and then I'll get a warm outreach and the warm outreach is going to look like Something like this they're going to like reach out like hey, jeffrey, uh, you know, I've been following your content and I've learned a lot and You know, like I'm really this is what I'm doing. I would like to you know Just stay connected man. I just want to say thanks. That's it And you know that kind of response I'm going to respond back because to me that's very thoughtful as somebody taking their time and That also it's like it makes me feel good a cold Mail doesn't it makes me feel bothered somebody reaching out though in a warm way You know makes me feel good and you'll do the same when you reach out to somebody That's what I'm saying be active in these communities And start building relationships start helping people start looking at other people who are helping And just do those little warm outreaches and once you start building those connections then you can start networking A bit better and people are going to be more open to work with somebody inside that way Now you could do that with agencies and freelancers You can look at and there's there's a whole lot of them that would love to partner And add somebody to their team that they see is going to be a really awesome team member and that could provide value You could also do this with clients. So I look at a warm outreach to a client. It's like spending time and like Like kind of going through the area kind of looking like who needs help And find like a list of like 10 20 of businesses that need help like you see the opportunity you see exactly like Where they're going wrong and you know like if I were to just redo the site Change some things for you right here. I could fix up your google my business Just a little bit and it's going to get you so much more business like I know for sure it is Like take your time with that and kind of do a little bit I mean all you gotta do is spend like Like a few hours a day you could find a few businesses Then you can reach out to them like hey, you know, like I'm just you know, like I ran across your site I'm looking to help out. I found a way that I feel that really could help out Here's a couple like notes that I found and give them some information showing like, you know You're not just doing like a spam email You can even and this is even better If you can but like using loom as well to do a walkthrough like on their website So there are ways to do this To make it more warm and I would go in that direction versus cold It's more work. It's definitely going out of the comfort zone I I'm an introvert. All right and this stuff Reaching out sales and all that dude this stuff Like right now you can see me like doing a youtube live, which is I feel insane because you know, like Six seven years ago. You said I was going to be doing this. I would have said you're absolutely off your rocker There's no way I'd ever do this. I had to force myself To Do this kind of stuff. I had to force myself and push myself Get out of that comfort zone and if the language you feel the language is off Don't worry about that. You know, don't worry about that It this is where it comes into building esteem and confidence. It's a process on the journey For me, I started this one none, you know, like I started with Very low and I had to build it up. I still have to I still have to I'm still on the journey I haven't got to the finish line yet Yeah, true. I mean, yeah The legal stuff is there I don't know. I feel like people steal my emails. I don't I don't like that But you know, nobody wants to start a relationship In that way, you know, like that's what we're doing. We find clients and we're working with somebody We're building a relationship People don't understand. Like I think a lot of people don't not I shouldn't say people understand. I think a lot of uh Web creators who are focused like on platforms like fiber doing really quick turnaround work. Don't really understand How much more We earn working with clients long term You know, like you might see that project only being this amount But when you start working with clients long term and you're actually they're part Like other business with them their lifetime value is so much more and that's really where we want to get to You know, that's how you build a successful business here doing this All right, guys, I'm gonna keep it open for two more minutes one more question and then I'm going to bounce out Good question though. I'm glad you brought that up I love talking about this stuff if you could tell I like talking about wordpress and stuff too, but uh, I really love the whole business side behind design so Thank you for bringing that up All right with that. I'm going to bounce out. Hey, thank you everybody for making this happen I'm really grateful for everybody who's stuck with this. I hope you found some value in this and Look it for everybody watching this List inside the comments your black friday items. All right, let us know what you want for black friday What you have your eye on okay, and I forgot to say I know life box academy is doing a black friday too Uh, but look it. I'm not doing a big old shout out on that right now See late night just started. I'm gonna leave it at that. Hey, thank you everybody Have a good day or night depending where you're at. We're gonna be back next week wednesday same time. All right. See y'all