 Ieron, mae'r gwaith ydyddod, mae'r pan fydd gennym hefyd, yn dod. Dyma'r gwybod gallu, brif. Ien, y fawr, fynd i'n gweithio'r dreif, rydyn ni'n gwybod dai'n gwahanol. Na'n ffaint i mi, yma'r hwn wedi cael digwydd yn ymddir iawn. Mae'n gwahod i chi'n gwahanol. Mi'n dweud â'r bod nhw'n gweithio. Mae'n gweithio i. Mae'n rhaid o'r llwyddon nhw. Rydych chi'n gwahanol mewn hyn yn British. Felly'n mynd i chi'n gwahanol. I'm dropping that and I'm worried because you're doing it. And now you're doing a lot of homeless work, which is amazing for you and Tracy. But we'll go right back to the start bars, kind of where you grew up and how it all started? Where do you want me to start? Right back where you grew up. Well, I was born in Burnton Trenters, which is East Staffordshire not far from Derby. And I moved to... we moved to Anzioith Birmingham when I was about 4 or 5 years old. Yn olygu, mae'n ddweud o bobl yw'r llwyth i'r lle. Yna, mae'n rhan oedd gyda'r lle. Mae'n rhoi'n rhoi'n rhoi'n rhoi. Yna, mae'n rhoi roi, ond nai mor oedd yn ymwyaf'r fitnyddio. Yn olygu'n rhoi?on fawr. Fawr butynu, rydyn nhw'n cael eu llwyfodd. Ond yna, pob. Ac what happened after that, then? When did you start loving the thing that mattered? After that, you know... Yn olygu'n rhoi, Mae gweinyd, IO yn gwiswg ei homo, yn ei wneud, a'r unig pwysig, rydw i ymwneud. Ac mae'r acredig yma, ond mae'n gwheol. Felly mae y fوج ar y bryllfa'r mor ond? Lyda. Fyn i ni'r pes ymwneud a dwi'n cael ei weld… Be gydwn ar y cwestiynau, rydyn yn lle i gyd. Mae'n cael ei gyd, a'r cwestiynau. Rydyn yn ni arwetod y trofi o y tufyn â'r ffordd? Yn ychwaneg nhw'n cysylltu? Ac oed涵wch roi'r gwirio beth? Rydym ni'n gweithio ar gyfer 30 yma. Rydym ni'n gweithio ar gyfer 10-11 yma ar gyfer y Skol, dyma'r amgarwch fel gwneudio, mae hynny'n arlwyntio. Rydym ni'n gweithio ar gyfer Chotokann Carytid, lle wedi'r Chwrw Carytid. Rydym ni'n gweithio ar gyfer Coventry. Rydym ni'n gweithio ar gyfer o'r Cymru, a yna'n gweithio ar gyfer, yn gweithio ar gyfer. Rwy'n dweud ei bod ni'n gweithio ar gyfer! Yn mynd i'n gwybod, yw Zulu'r cwmwys i'r llun? Yn y gwybod, mae ydw i chydig i'r llun. Yn oedd y gallu, Jonny? Mae hynny'n gwybod i'r llun. Mae ydych yn y awl, yw'r trafodaeth, mae'n gwybod, yw'r trofodaeth. Mae'n trofodaeth gyda a'r trofodaeth yn Birmingham, ond mae'n trofodaeth ar y twn. Mae'r trofodaeth yn y twn. Mae'n trofodaeth, yn dwylo. Mae'n trofodaeth sy'n dweithio a'r trofodaeth. y ffinish school go on, change a school uniform straed y town a he be uptown to last bus catch the last bus back home, so we're on the town all the time. So obviously rude boys we didn't get on with skinheads, mods, rockers, whatever, we didn't get on with anyone. So, you know, log says everything that went up on town we knew about everything all the shops were getting broken we were doing all that we're, you know, we just doing what we had to do to make money. ychydig o'i gwaith hirionedd, a byw TravelYdd, mae'r cyffinidau'r cyffinidau bod yn gofod ar y llyfl yn olygu o'ch gwaith hirioneddau. Felly bod hyffinidau'r cyffinidau eraill wedi'u cyffinidau, fyddiaeth gaelwyf yn gweithio'r cyffinidau. Felly dyna, mae'r cyffinidau yn gweithio a ddechrau'r cyffinidau a ddiweddar am ddiddordeb oherwydd llawer o casgliadau a byddai scwp trysau o'ch cyffinidau fydd. Yn y gweithio'r cyffinidau a ddiddordeb i'w mai myfio arall. Ac rydw i gwaith,keniwch a phodwch i'w bwysig, ac rydw i'n gwrdd rhai i gyfnodd y daug. Mae yna gweld i ni'n gweithio arall, a roedden nhw, a wnewch yn dda i. O'r rai chael i chi', roedden nhw'n gollun o'r defnyddiad, ac roedden nhw'n gollun i'r roi. Callw'n y gwaith, mae'n rhaid i'w codi'r boed yn eu peth, mae e'n cwysig yn y nodw,awiai, yn digwydd. Mae'r bobl ddech chi'n falch, a phobl o bob amddangol iawn. Mae e wasio yng Nghaerdaeth bottle a phobl o'i gwag datblygu o fusоб. Felly mae wedi nhw i ddim yn ysgrifn ohon. Mae yna nhw'n rhan am jeilio'r ymdill. A oedd yma'r bobl ymydd ar gyfer o gwahanol. Mae'n rhan o'ualych yn y gweithio gyda Fbom Pick. Gweithio y pwynt hefyd a arno i'n gweithgol. A fyddodd, mae'n dod o'ch ddweud. Dyha, nefyd nesaf yn Hermes i gwybod, nesaf yn Hermes i gwybod fel y byd, Ond maen nhw, mae'n gwybod, neu rhaid i gynllunio beth sydd ein bod i'w gyd geweustio, er nesaf yn y maen nhw i gyd leermos. Mae pan ddadid a chartser i fynd i uswn. Dwi'n rhai o'r roi roi, roi roi roi'r roi roi'r roi. Nefyd, gan y bleull, sef amser mae'r roi roi i Gweithef, mae'r roi ar gyfer mynd yn olaf yn y maen nhw. A gydwella'r roi roi'r roi. pan yn ymwneud am wneud. Yn y gynllun, ddim yn fawr o'n eu clyw o'r ffordd a'r gwn i'r gwrthoedd i'r gwneud i'w gyrtaeth a'r ymddangos i'w cwrdd y cwrdd, i'w cwrdd i'w cwrdd i'w gwrdd, i'w cwrdd i'w gwrdd i'w cwrdd, i'w cwrdd i'w cwrdd i'w cwrdd a'r gwrdd. Wel, eich amser, yma? O, iawn. Rwyf yn 15-16. Wel, mae'n gweithio eich amser? Rydw i'n meddwl chi yw dod? No, I was more into athletics and running and things like that. When did you start getting into the bodybuilding side of things as well? Cos I seen photos of you in the 80s. Even as a man of about 17. I started training bodybuilding. Even from school I was always into bodybuilding. I've been in English lessons and I'll be sitting there drawing bodybuilding figures and not doing my bloody work, you know what I'm saying? So when I left school, I started training at a place in Newtown in Birmingham. I left there after a couple of years and I went training at Durin's for a bit. Durin Y Hesys Gym, Temple Gym. Then I left there and I went to training at a gym in Anzwerth, Body Sculpture. And it just progressed from there, progressed from there with the bodybuilding. Cos I remember, you know, I was always in good shape. And I remember entering my first competition. I was put stuff because I didn't win. Everyone says, bad as you look good. But obviously, if you can't beat him, you've got to join him. You know, the people who come first, second and third, they're unsummit. You understand what I'm saying? So the other way you've got to beat them people is to join them. Is that when you started dabbling into steroids? I've dabbled a bit in it, but then when I started fighting serious, I had to get off it. Yeah, because I was getting drug tested and things like that. So when I see, think of football casuals or that kind of scene, I think Fat, Baldy Men, Tattoos. I'm not looking at a 6'4, 6'4 kickboxer. I'm only 5'4, I'm only 5'4. You're fucking a lot bigger than you look, isn't it? Is how did people treat you then when they seen you? Obviously, the casual scene, you can't run away, but looking at you... It wasn't just me itself, you know, say like the blues, Zulus. You know, people think it's a black thing. You know, it's never because we call it Zulus. Why did the name Zulus come about? The name Zulus came about in 1985 at Man City, at Man City Grain. I think someone just shouted, the Zulus film was big then, and someone just shouted Zulus, and that's where it all started. But we're a multi-racial firm. Black, white, pink, don't care what nationality you are, what religion you are. You're blues. How many people were on the phone? Sometimes, four or five hundred proper lads, yeah, some good lads, some proper lads. You know, sometimes you went to a football match, and you're standing with a firmer lads, you know no one is running. There's no back, you know, you ain't going back nowhere. Oh, we've been beating a couple of times, I'm not saying we're invincible. You know, most of these people who come on, most of these ex-football oolions who come on TV and brag on books and oh, we've never run, we've never been beaten. Yeah, we've run, we've been beaten, but... What was your first proper tear-up? Bloody hell. I think one of the first scary ones I went to when we played Coventry, back in the early 80s, we played Coventry away. And it was like, I was running for my life. All it was like, get the niggas, get the niggas, get the niggas, and I ran straight back to the train station. Yeah. And that one was scary. Was there a lot of racial abuse then, 80s, 90s? It's still happening this day, but then... Especially when you go to Coventry, you wouldn't play Tranmere. You know, a bunch of bloody black lads turned up at Tranmere, wigging. They've never seen a bunch of black lads before. What's going on here, you know what I mean? Is there a zoo in town or something? How did you deal with that, then, did that make you more angry to go and actually want to fuck with your heads off? Obviously, it didn't make me angry. He thought, listen, we're here. We're burning the city, we're here. This is us. You know what I'm saying? No matter what colour you look at, this is us. We're here. Did you feel it was if you had stuff to prove? Every time we went away and fought all night, you had stuff to prove. Every time. Only when we were away, you always had stuff to prove. Who was one of the toughest you were not against? One of my toughest ones is probably Leeds as well. Yeah, tough one. Probably tough one. Yeah. Did you ever, was it just a pure buzz for you? Cos even when you're speaking about it, that's the hapest I've seen him, that's the hapest I've seen him look. You're just smiling. Obviously, don't forget, I was still fighting at the time as well, you know, professionally, and I was fighting at football matches as well. But it's a different type of buzz. You know what I mean? The football matches, not in a controlled environment, whereas the kickboxing in the MMA was a controlled environment. What's the difference that you miss at? I miss it, yeah. I do miss it. Come on, I'm 54 now. I've grown out of it, but I still miss it. When I watch videos of matches and things, I'll sit there going, oh, get in there, man. I wish I was still there. Yeah, did you get right in vote? Sitting on the armchair, yeah. That's nuts, isn't it? The passion's still there. Yeah, the passion... That's not going to leave you, is it? Just like my mum always says to me, when are you going to start fighting? The day I start breathing is the day I start fighting. It's in your blood, DNA. So now then, when you do it, when you watch it, do you feel that it brings back a lot of memories for you? Yeah, loads of memories, loads of memories. Good times? Brilliant, not good times, brilliant times. But it's not as good today as it was back then, you see? Things have changed. Do you think it's still going, the casual scene now? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It ain't going to stop, and the government ain't going to stop it, the police ain't going to stop it. You know, even though the police have got drones in the skies now and doing all this whatever they want to do, it ain't stopping it. How do you get... At the end of the day, the biggest format there is the old bill anyway, so... How do you get treated now when you go to football matches or...? You know what? Just some of them are just... Ales. You know what I'm saying? Some of the police are just Ales. Yeah, still getting grief. I still get grief here. Even though I'm not doing nothing, I just go down with a bunch of one or two lads, especially like, I prefer to go to the away games. And I turn up down to the away games and obviously you've got your Birmingham spotter there, and your spotter is telling the other police, oh, you're over there, you're over here, whatever. And you just get the police on your case and try to antagonise you and, you know, for you to hit back at them. Try to get a reaction from you. And I'm not going to get a reaction back at me because I ain't backing down to no one. I'm never going to beat them. I'm always going to lose, but... Too much pride to walk away. Yeah, yeah, yeah, obviously, yeah. So the kickboxing side of things, when did you start getting involved in that seriously? It's back in the early 90s, I started in... I started like in a semi-contact karate. You know, it's like, I call it like Tigan Tag. You know what I mean? That's what I call it, semi-contact, I call it Tigan Tag. Well, you're not allowed to use excessive force on them. I started, you know, it's good for speed-wise. So I started in that. But then I was knocking people out all the time, you know what I mean? And then my trainer said to me, and then a guy called Aaron Brown said to me, why don't you try continuous? That's more like aspiring, but you still can't use excessive sport, excessive force. So I said, all right now, I'll try that. So I went to a couple of tournaments trying that, trying that. I thought, no, this is good, but I was knocking people out as well. So it says to me, why don't you go into full contact? I mean, yeah, that's my type of fighting, full contact. Anything goes within reason. And I said, we started going to Holland back in the early 90s, late 80s, early 90s. So I started fighting in Holland in some tournaments. And I started, I was fighting in tournaments, but they put on a show at the end of the tournaments. And I was fighting on a show as well. But most of these shows, I was knocking people out. You know, I was more of an entertainer as well, because I'm a sort of one, I'll take the piss out of someone before I knock them out. If you understand what I'm saying, I'll really take the piss out of them. And so it's kind of giving me fights, fights in Holland. I was fighting in Holland. And then it said to me one day, oh, we got loads of promoters coming down from Amsterdam, some big promoters. They've heard a lot about you, they want to see you. So I was like, oh, yeah, no problem. I was coming out, I think I was fighting a guy from Rotterdam. And it's the first time I've looked at a guy who's shit myself. This, you know, people think I'm big. I might, yeah, I might be big muscular, but I'm only five foot 11. This guy was about six foot three. Skinhead, big ponytail then, he was a biker. I looked at the guy and I thought, I'm going to have my work cut out here. You know what I mean? It's going to be a real hard fight. But I've dropped him two times in the second round and dropped him again in the third round, knocked him out afterwards. And I thought, yeah, and then all the promoters from Holland coming over, we want you to come and fight on this show, we want you to come and fight on that show. And one of them turned around to me and says, do you know what a mixed fight is? I don't know, you've got a clue what a mixed fight is. And he gave me a video and says, have a look at that video, this is a mixed fight. So when I looked at the video and it was all like stamping on the floor, kicking, punching on the floor and everything, I thought, yeah, I'd have a go at this. So it was about, it was 19, yeah, 99. I had my first MMA fight in Holland and I've got a fought a guy called Sondor McIlion, big doshgeather. Yeah, like six fights, one, three or four or whatever it was anyway, but I took him apart. I really took the piece out and knocked him out. And everything just spiraled from there. Then I think it was 95, I fought in the world championships in Ukraine. And I got to the final. I think I probably had two or three fights on that day. They said to me, fighting the finals on the next day. So I said, all right then. I was with the England squad, we're up in the stadium. I've took my gloves off the helmet and just sat down, fell asleep, wake up, you got a fight. I mean, you said I'm fighting in the morning. You have a fight now and get disqualified. So I had about 10, 15 minutes to warm up. This was the final world championships. And I've got into the ring. I've got into the ring and all of a sudden this bloody thing's got into the ring like spider-man. It was up there like six or four or something. I went, I haven't warmed up properly. Ended up doing the fight. Fight went three rounds, anyone on points. His name was Vitaliy Klitschkoff. Right? Obviously, yeah. So after that fight, I got invited to fight for a world title in Hawaii. Find a guy called Dennis Alexio. And Dennis Alexio, he started Van Dam in Kitboxer. Played Van Dam's brother in the wheelchair. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I fought him in Hawaii. Was he a real fighter? Yeah, he was a real fighter. He fought with a black duck. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Dennis Alexio. Can you follow him up? Yeah, how many times, world champion and all this. And, you know, some of my fights is like I didn't train for him. You know what I mean? I trained for this one, but a lot of the fights I didn't train for him. You know, when I'm getting six, seven grand of fights, I think I don't have to train. We're not losing, I'm getting six, seven grand. So sometimes I didn't even train. But I trained after this one in Hawaii. I got there, we had to do all these press conferences, go around the town, go down to Waikiki Beach, you know, parot in the fight and all things like that. And I think it was the third round, it kicked me in my groin in the third round and split my box. I was down for about 15, 20 minutes and the parot had got in the ring and said, if you don't get up and carry on fighting, you're not going to get paid. So I got up, end up doing two extra rounds and I'll just, I ain't doing no more, stop the fight. Anyone, but he always promised me a rematch. And because I think I'll give him a hard fight, you know what I mean? I never got the rematch, I never got the rematch. So the fighting kind of thing, where do you get the, if you're not training as much, the natural ability to, does that just come from fighting since you were young? Yeah, fighting in the streets, fighting on foot all matches now. I just love to fight. You know what I mean? I'm one of them geysers. If I'm out with my wife or my daughter or someone like that and the guy puts it on me, I ain't going to say, come on mate, I'm with my wife. Come on. No, no, no. I'm saying, love, you going way over there, I'll be back in five minutes. And you know, that's the sort of guy I am. I ain't backing that from nobody. The fighting games, it's thriving now. Obviously with UFC and stuff. Do you miss thinking if I was 10, 20 years ago? You know, Lox has had my first MMA fight 1999, 20 years ago. No-one was really doing it much in England then. I know a guy from the guy's name from Bedford. He was probably one of the first ones. Weren't heard of over here. But at the end of the day, I would never have got to UFC anyway. Because of my eye. Oh, fuck yeah, yeah. You know, no one knew I was... So you were fighting with the fucking one out of his will? Exactly. And you were still knocking people out straight? I was still knocking people out. I've only ever been knocked out once in a fight. And I fought a French guy in Coventry this week. You're not a world contender, that guy, or something? No, I fought a guy called Marc Emmanuel in Coventry. And he was on top of me in my guard. I made a silly mistake. I ended up getting knocked out. And then the place just went up. All the zoolos were there. Trashed the place, you know. Riot police had to come in the placement. It's the first time my dad ever came to watch me fight before he died. And I was out in a canvas like this. I woke up with that and put the gas mask on what it is. And I went, what the fuck? It's gone on here. You know, there's police all over the place and ambulance crews all over the place. That's some going though. Were they fighting with the one I forgot that? So how did that, with your vision then it must have been difficult at times? I was at more natural. It was natural because I've been blind in my office since I was like seven years old. So it would just come natural. You know what I mean, so long as I kept my guard up I'm all right. I ain't seen nothing, I can't see over there. You know what I mean, so long as I got my guard up, I'm good. Just protecting it? Yeah, just protecting it, yeah. Yeah, that's unbelievable. So you're still fighting now? No, I'm 54 now, I've retired. You know, the worst thing about not even my train I knew I was blind in one eye until my last fight. Then I thought, you know what? I'm going to do a autobiography. I've done my book called One Eye Baz and I was putting there that no one knew I was blind in one eye until I retired from fighting. Yeah, is that because you wouldn't have been allowed to fight? I wouldn't, but every medical I had, I had to blag the medical. So what happened if you had to do an eye test and a cut of your eye? Oh, I said I've got sore eyes, I've got a sore rum of your eyes, I'd make up some crap in my mouth. Now there's some wrong with my eye. And you winged it that long? Yeah, yeah. That's unbelievable. Yeah, yeah. Got away with it all every time I got away with it. So your book One Eye Baz, how did that come about? Is it cast pen and you're a good friend to... No, people say to me, you know, people say to me, Baz, you should do a book. You know, you've got a good story to tell. You know, do a book. So I thought one day, I thought, you know what? One of my mates got a older cast and I met up with cast and spoke to cast and he thought, yeah, you do really well. And it took us about two, three years to do the book. And it went to number one best seller in about two, three charts. So yeah. That's phenomenal. Working people buy your book because it's still available. Amazon. I think most of the time, Amazon now, you can still get the book. So as you were getting older, Baz, and you came to calm it down a bit, what were you trying to, when you were going through it, when you said, right, I need to calm down a bit? What age were you then? Fifty-two. I'm still the same person. I haven't changed much, you know what I'm saying? I'm a bit more wiser now. I wouldn't go that far through, would you? I'm a bit more wiser, but don't mess with me. You know what I'm saying? I'm still dangerous. I just got to say, well, don't forget, I moved to Coventry 87 to get up. At the time when I moved to Coventry, the police were raiding people's doors to football matches. I can't remember the operation. It was called getting, kicking out people's doors and everything. So I ended up moving. I met a girl. I ended up moving to Coventry 1987 just after Coventry won the FA Cup. And it was hard moving to Coventry, of course. I was getting abuse of the black guys and I was getting abuse of the white lads. The black guys didn't like me, of course, I'm from Birmingham. And the white lads didn't like me, of course, I'm black and from Birmingham. So these three of us went over at the same time, of course, we all had girls over there. So these three of us, my very close mates, ended up going to Coventry. And it was like, I had to look after them as well. You know my close pals, man. You mess with them, you've got to mess with me. And things started progressing. I started working a couple of doors and making a name for myself, making a name for myself, making a name for myself. And it just went on from there, went on from there. Cos you're on a security firm. Yeah, at the time I had my own security firm at the time and I was doing really well, you know what I mean? But I've been back over here now eight years. I've done 28 years in Coventry and I've learned a lot. And you know, there is some good people in Coventry. It's a shithole, but there is some good people in Coventry. Yeah, that is basically to give it a compliment. I've made some good friends in Coventry. Yeah, yeah. So now you do a lot of the homeless stuff, which is an amazing thing. How did you get into that? Me wife, did me head in again. Now what it is, I've got an Asian mate, Bobby. He runs a dry cleaning business at Birmingham. He said to me, ''Baz, why don't you come down where I go on a Tuesday and have a look at the, we do feed the homeless people but with a bunch of Indian lads?'' So I thought, all right, I'll come down and see what it's like. So I got down there, he said, ''Oh, you've got to put yourself in your head because these Indians, I mean, the Sikh, when they serve food, you've got to have something on your head to cover your hair.'' So I went down there and started serving. I thought, you know what? After when I finished serving, I thought, I feel different towards people now, you know what I'm saying? And I got home and I thought, you know what? I'll give thanks for what I've got. A lot of these people are sleeping on the railway carriages and part benches and rat-infested places and all that. You know what I mean? I said to my wife, come down with me one day. And she came down with me one day and she had a look. I thought, we said to each other, you know, these homeless people that need more than food. Let's start some up with ourselves right next to these middle and langued guys with Asian guys. You know, these Asian guys, they're out seven days a week, 365 days of the year. No matter what weather it is, they're out feeding people in probably five or six different cities. And so I thought, you know what? I'll team up with these guys. We'll stand over there doing our bit over there. So we started doing clothes, toiletries, shoes, socks, everything what you can think about. We started doing that off the back of a van. You know what I mean? Some of my old clothes, I thought, and I got some nice designer clothes. And I thought, I brought them down there. I just started giving them out. And it really got to me because one of my friends from school came up to me and he was homeless. I mean, by his own, I was going, who's that? He went, don't you remember me from school? I was going, what the? You know what I mean? I thought, yeah, man, I'll give him a bit of change. And I started, he was coming down to me regularly. I was looking after him regularly, but I haven't seen him for a long time. But now we've got around a little Birmingham support, you know, only support. And we're doing really well. We've got loads of donations of people and it's out there. And we're doing all right. It makes you feel good. I think that's where the gift in life is. When you help others, it automatically feels good. And for me, it's nice to give it back. Yeah, definitely. And it's rewarding. Let's say you appreciate things more when you go home because we kind of take things for granted. So you see people who are struggling and you help them and you realise they ain't got a fuck all. But yeah, and some of them are the nicest people in the world. Well, it reminds me the very first time I went to Jamaica to step up my sisters and went to my sister's house. I thought she had a bit of carpet in there, nice TV. I said, I'm going to have a shower. Yeah, you've got to go around the back there. There's no shower, you've got to go around the back. It's cold water. I went, I didn't have a shower in cold water. So I went off to my step mom, my auntie's house because she just moved immigrated back to Jamaica. She had carpet, she had central eating and all this capy down there. And when I got back home, it realised what you've got at home. You know what I mean? Like the TVs, what you've got, hot and cold shower. You ain't got to go down to the river to have a shower and things like that, you know? Yeah. And like, you know, I go a lot of way to other countries. I like to go to other countries and see how they live in villages. And when I come back home, I appreciate what I've got a lot more. Yeah, definitely. And I think that's the way. For anybody who's trapped, maybe what I get involved or help you out or send you donations. If you've got a Twitter account. Yeah, the wife will send us all the links. I'll put all the links in the bio. So moving forward for the future with you guys. What's the plans? The plans, the future's bright, the future's orange. You know what? This year, I haven't made a goal this year. And this is the first time I've been out and I haven't made a goal. I just thought I'll just carry on planning along. But hopefully now after Christmas, I want to set myself with gold like I usually do. I'm just planning along. So maybe not be setting goals. Don't know, just run out. You know, last year was to do competitions. I've done it. And I ain't doing that. It's too much like hard work. You want it? Yeah, I won the qualifier and I come fourth in the British. You know what I'm saying? I'm well happy with that. You know what I mean? So I need a goal for next year. So anybody who's got a goal out there. Send us out, we'll get them on that. We'll get them on that. Any more books or anything in the people? Well, no, I've been to do a film now of the book. So Casper had it was up last week. Doing some light. You know, I brought him around. And I've shown him and saying. So did you have a relationship with Cas? Come about from the Birmingham West Ham? Is that not a bit of rivalry? You know, obviously years ago. You know, years ago, I mean, a couple of years ago, I brought wet a box in Birmingham City and I brought the old school Leicester Firm lads there. And I brought like some of the guys down from different different clubs well down there. Well, years ago, that couldn't happen. No matter how well-known you know the person, you can bring them on your on your money, you know what I'm saying? And it's not when it's only when I start talking to Cas. And he was going, yeah, I remember coming off the train at New Street and coming up through the train station and got chased all over the place by loads of guys on the ramp. I went, yeah, that was probably me and my boys. Well, we get on great, you know, I've got loads of work off him and I've helped him out and he's helped me out as much as we can help each other out. Yeah, that's his own thing. He's got a podcast out as well. So check it out, Baz, actually. You've got that podcast because he's his first one. First podcast I've done with this. He's good pals with Frank Brown on stuff. Yeah. So, did you ever go abroad or anything, Baz? With the casual scene? No, no. Never. I only went Birmingham played in Europe a couple of years ago. And that was the first time I've been abroad with football. I'm not an England supporter. I'm a Birmingham City supporter. Club before country. Yeah. That's proper. I don't think. Club comes before country. So I've never been into going to watch an England game. No, no. What is to just start supporting Birmingham? When I was about 15, 16. Yeah. Yeah, I weren't into really, weren't into football before. Just fighting. Yeah, just fighting. Weren't into football at all. You know, and yet for all the closest ground to me was West Brom. Yeah. Yeah. Where I was living at that time, closest ground was West Brom. So I've been up to a couple of West Brom is out in matches. And then when I started coming down to Blues, a lot of the guys left, a lot, especially a lot of the black guys from Anzwerth, left West Brom is where they were supporting to come down to Blues. Is that because you was with them? Probably, yeah. Do you think if you went for a tear up with West Brom, you could have been fighting for them? Yeah, probably, yeah, yeah. Just anything for a fight basically? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The only one I wouldn't turn up for is the scum down the road. Yeah. How is the London rivalry and stuff with Brom in them? Who's your biggest rivals there? That's now or before? Now. Before? Before. I'd probably say like Westam, innit? Yeah? Yeah, Westam. I've never, I've never, to tell you, I've never rated me a wall. Never rated them at all. Probably have a good tarot with the other London close. I've never really rated me a wall. Yeah, because Chelsea, my wall was a big rival there. Yeah, Arsenal, yeah, yeah, yeah. Chelsea, yeah. That's mad. I can see with a smile on your face, bad as that. It's not that passion for me. I tell you, the only time I've been to Millwall and, you know, I didn't shit myself, but felt scared, was we played Millwall in the cup. And when we come off the train station, it was the old dent at the time, when we came out of the train station, and you're going to walk through a house in the state to get to the ground, people on top of the roofs, throwing off chairs and throwing bricks and bottles and police were there walking with shields over us like this. And after the match, we came out after the match, and it was like a riot zone. You know, burnt out cars, slashed up horses and things like that. At that time, the old estate comes out for you. And that was a bit scary. Them times, you just grabbed the police were there. Yeah, what does scare you now, Baz? Nothing. Nothing. Nothing? No. No. Tell you the other time what scares me. When I go to the dentist for a needle in my mouth, I shit myself. I think 100 men, but scared them needles. I went for a blood test today and I was like... Yeah. That's mad. I went for a blood test a couple of years ago. Yeah, I passed out. Did you? Yeah, I passed out. At least if I'm going for a tear up with a bum around, I'm just going to take a bag of needles. Yeah, I passed out. The looking back at all, obviously you miss it, but are you happier, kind of getting away from it at a certain degree? You get older, you start growing up there. I'm in a better place now. I've got my lovely wife, I've got four kids, I've got three grandkids, four grandkids, I've got another one the way, and I'm good. Did the kids go to the football? No, no, no. Try and keep my way for all that? Try and keep my way. One of my sons, he lives in Totnes, down south, he plays rugby. I've got another son over Coventry way. I've got one daughter, she's 32. She's got a grandson, and she's doing another one soon. I've got one of the daughters, she's in Colville lessons, she's got a granddaughter. So they all spread out all over the place. To me now it's them grandkids time. Family time, yeah. I just wish I could see her more often, cos I'm always busy doing this, busy doing that. Yeah, you're everywhere. So what's your routine like on a daily basis now? Because you said you're up at five. I'm up at quarter to four every morning. Quarter to six? Quarter to four, I've been porridge, I've been blueberries, I've been banana, I've about four egg whites, I've half a cup of black coffee, I'm in the gym at quarter to five every morning. Finish half six, come back home, grab something to eat, off to work, finish work, come back home, off to the gym again, finish the gym, home. I'm in bed by eight o'clock mate. That's here then. I do that five days a week. On the weekends I work on the doors weekends, so I might tell half past four in the morning, but I guarantee I'm still in that gym for ten o'clock next morning. Do you sleep? Yeah. Do you? Yeah. I'd rather get up, go to the gym, and come back home and lie down. Do you have the bags on that at the gym? Yeah, yeah. Do you have a gun to the boxing side of things? What more are you joking about? Yeah, but back in the day. I've sparbied loads of boxes in that. Especially when I was fighting properly, I'd spar with a lot of boxes. What do you think of the kind of boxing scene now? Guys like Joshua and... I think it's good man. It's good for the English box as well. Why do they never fight each other though? Money? Money and politics aren't it? Ain't it? They should be fighting Joshua Fury, and a big boy from New York, Big Wighter. He just knocked some of the spark out and sat down. Yeah, but he's not even a boxer man. He's just a broler. He never started till he was 19. Yeah, but fair play to him. Yeah, he's a millionaire. He's done really well. I think one of the reasons why he actually started is because his daughter was unwell. So he started fighting and then it's got him to where he is. You can't even throw a jab properly to tell the truth. Just a big knockout. Just a big swinger. What's the biggest beating you've ever received from casual side of it? Me? To tell the truth? Never. I haven't been beaten up. I've had a punch and that's about it. I remember we played Millwall. I think it was London Bridge after the game. All the blues were on London Bridge and this guy comes to me. Yeah, we were facking Millwall. You know what I mean? Well, you were. Bam, kicking the head. Everyone turned around and they were like, what the bloody hell happened there? He was giving it loads so I had to knock him out. I've never had a beating at a football match. What's the biggest... Have you ever came across anybody from another film and done... He's a big lad to him? Yeah, one or two. He's specialised in some of the Leicester lads. Yes, I think somebody's mentioned Leicester before and says they were nasty bastards. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you always get a good ride on Leicester. Always. Always get a good ride on Leicester. Did you ever concentrate on the result at football? Or was it just... What? I wasn't interested in the result. Say for instance, if I know we're playing the next day, I'm geared up for the next day. Sometimes I get up in the morning, start mistretching and getting everything. Probably got to the gym beforehand. I'm ready. Football didn't interest me. Back then I couldn't tell you who was playing for Blues. What the goalkeeper's name, what the left-back's name was. I couldn't tell you because I weren't interested in football. I was interested in what happened before the football, what happened during the football and what happened after the football and just get home safely. Hopefully without being arrested. Yeah, it's fucking... Football didn't interest me, man. Didn't interest me until now. You did a documentary with... Danny Dyer. Danny Dyer. How was that for you? Did that enhance your reputation because everyone knew who you were then? No, it did answer my reputation afterwards. Danny Dyer is a wicked, unbelievable guy. He makes it out to be some hard man. Yeah, he's not. He's not. But away from the cameras, he was a lovely guy. A lovely guy. And I still talk to him. Even my wife talks to his daughter and talks to him sometimes as well. How was that then when you did that because it was quite high profile? Yeah. But when I did it first, I was thinking, am I making the right move by doing this? Yeah, speaking out. Yeah, speaking out. Because I've never told anyone I'm a Briton's artist, man. If someone wants to tell me I'm a hard man, you tell me whatever you want to tell me. I'm going to take it in, you know what I mean? So I've never gone round proclaiming I'm a hard man. So when the documentary was done, I thought, sometimes I wish I didn't. After it was done, I thought I wish I didn't do it. Of course I think every time I'm going to go out somewhere, I'll get guys coming up to me trying to pull it on me. Oh, you think you're a Briton's artist, man. But touch wood has never happened. I've been out all... I don't think that was fucking out me anyway. I don't think that was happened, but it's... Yeah, Dan is out. The first place I went was Newcastle. And people come up to me, I've just seen you on... Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I start... I was in a bar. This guy comes over to me. And he goes, you're a Briton's artist, man. You're that Zulu when you're in. Now I let me. You went, yeah, man. It's you, it's you, it's you. It's one of Artly Paul's top lads. You know what I mean? I thought, there you are. But we got a nice man. It was nice. Did that change things for you then? Because if you were getting a tear up at the football because everyone knew who you were, were you more of a target to get the jail or anything? No, no, no. Probably more of a target with the old bill. Yeah, that's what I'm meaning, yeah. I went into covering up my face and say, yeah, I've done this, I've done that, I've done... I haven't done anything. I'm just one of the... I'm just one of the guys who work for a row. I'm just a soldier. I'm not the main guy or the blue Z, man. I'm just one of the soldiers. Yeah. Fuck that, a good soldier at that, man. If I ever start up a firm, you're getting the first phone call, boys. So moving forward for the future, we know you're getting the film done. So what's the plans for you now? What do you want to get done? What's the plans? I know you want to get new goals and stuff and hopefully get this film. I mean, join the homeless thing. I just wanted to go a bit further with the homeless thing. You know what I mean? That's what I'm getting old now. I'm 54 now. You know what I mean? Calm down time, calm down time. Ground kids time. Get some slippers on. I can't see that happening. No, can I? I don't know who you are trying to convince. That ain't never gonna happen. Do you feel fatter now than you did in your 20s? Do you think it's just a mental thing? Yeah, I think, yeah. But like, the only reason why I train, train, train because the way I see it, I'm a target, if you understand what I'm saying. I'm a target for people out there. Yeah, because all these guys are up and coming. They all want to make a name for themselves. And most of the time, the only way they can make a name for themselves is by taking a named person out or by beating a named person. So I've got to keep on top of them again. That's why I still care around training. So you're thinking basically against yourself just to keep ahead and keep on top? You know, I'm me out there in the day. I'm not bullied. People want to call me bullied. Call me whatever you want. I don't give a shit what people want to call me. What you see is what you get with me. I don't mess around. I don't take those shit off anybody. Rightly so. So, before we finish up, we'll give a shout out to your good lady there. Miss Pete. Yeah. How did you meet? She stalked me for about three days. She stalked me. I was working in the designer clothes shop in Birmingham and she came in there one day and I thought, fuck, that's just a bit of all right. I thought I'd have a bit of that. She looked at me and I looked at her. But I didn't think nothing of it. After that, I asked one of the lads who was working at the shop, give me a number. He says he can't give me a number. He'll ring and ask if you can give me a number. She came back in about two days later. I'm buying some clothes from my son. Yeah, whatever. You come to have a pub at me. You know what I mean? It just happened from there. And 10 years later here we are because the place we are following in Birmingham is actually going to get married to him. Well, the wife sorted everything out, but we're trying to get married here. But obviously we wanted a Caribbean reception, I mean Caribbean food and all that. And he says he can't bring in an outside caterer, so we went to the Irish centre instead. And it was a lot. We got it free, didn't we? I think we got the Irish centre free because there was over 500 people there at our wedding reception. But the trouble is the police tried to stop it. Why? Yeah, the police, day before the wedding, please try to stop it. Because of high profile names. And people that were coming down there and blues were playing at home on that day as well. So a lot of people that went to the football match came down to the wedding as well. After the game. Unbelievable night. Did you just win that day? I can't remember. I was out of my face on the white one. Baz, would you like to finish up on anything? I just want to thank you and thank everybody else. People that bought the book. People that donated the charity. I just want to thank everybody very much. Baz, listen, for taking the time out today and coming on, I really appreciate it. Thanks to Tracy. We'll put the links in the bio for the book and the charities that they work in. Amazing stuff that you're doing. It's been an absolute pleasure and I wish you all the best with the film and the future. Thank you. Thank you very much.