 This is an I-24 News special report, Israel at war. I'm Albert Lewitson at the I-24 News headquarters in Tel Aviv. Let me bring you up to speed on what we need to know right now. Number one, a source close to Hamas says the group is willing to extend a temporary truce for four more days in exchange for the release of more hostages and also the release of more Palestinians jailed under terror charges. Number two, we are being told that another 12 Israeli hostages will be returned tonight, 10 Israeli hostages and two Russian-Israeli dual-nationals, reportedly as a thank you to Vladimir Putin. The head of Mossad is right now in Doha, Qatar, as we speak, meeting with the Qataris and also with CIA chief William Burns. There is strong pressure on Israel to agree to a permanent ceasefire in exchange for the release of the remaining 160 being held by Hamas. Number three, there is also a report in the Washington Post that a continued ceasefire would allow for the hostages in this order to be released, remaining civilian women and children, then female soldiers, then men no longer of the age to do any reserve duty, then IDF reservists, then male soldiers, and also the bodies of those soldiers that were killed on October the 7th. And number four, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu just moments ago says there is no question Israel will return to fighting once the ceasefire ends. We'll have what he said in just a moment. And number five, Israel has tracked down and killed Mohamed Zabadi, the commander of the Janine Battalion, a terror group responsible for killing of the Israeli by the name of Mayor Tamari. Tamari was killed back in May in a terror shooting near the northern West Bank settlement of Hamash. We have every single story covered on this angle completely, completely from head to toe. Well, we begin here in studio with Guy Azrael, I-24 News senior editor with some stories, a developing story that's breaking right now about the symbol of the hostages. I'm going to first read to you the statement received by the IDF at this moment. And then I'll explain to our viewers what we're talking about. The IDF is saying that the Hamas terror group continues to act in a cruel and inhumane manner. The representatives of the IDF has spoken to the Bebas family, have informed them about the Hamas publicity and are escorting them at this time. The IDF is examining the credibility of the information, also adding that the responsibility for the safety of all the hostages in Gaza is fully on the Hamas terror group. This statement from the IDF comes after just a short while ago, Hamas claims that the Israeli hostages, the Bebas family that we can see on our screens now, this is the mother Shiri and her two sons, baby Kveer, 10 months old now in captivity, and Ariel, four years old, taken from their home by Hamas terrorists on October 7th. Hamas, an hour ago, claimed that they have been killed as a result of an Israeli airstrike. This was the statement from Hamas an hour ago, the IDF is validating that information. We need to remind of your several points here. This is part of Hamas' psychological war against Israel after also murdering other hostages in their hands, like soldier Norm Marziano, who we know was in a well-conditioned in good health at the hands of Hamas and then was murdered by Hamas as a captive, as a hostage. We know that that would not be the first case if that is true, that Hamas murders hostages in their care. This is also after in recent days Hamas attempted to claim that this family was in fact not in their hands, but in the hands of the PFLP terror group, the Palestinian Liberation Front, as Israel was pushing for their release, obviously, baby fear has become the symbol of this war, the trophy of Hamas and obviously the symbol for Israel of the extreme atrocities of Hamas, not only slaughtering over 1,200 Israelis, most of them civilians, but also taking hostage babies as young as a 10-month-old baby. There is no pro-Palestinian in the world that can justify this act of terror taking hostage a baby. And we can also remind our viewers another point. Several weeks ago, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad announced that another hostage, Khan Khatir, has died in their hands after publishing a video of her alive. Well, several days later, Khan Khatir was released alive. So again, another sign of the, to say the least, the problem and credibility of these terror groups as they operate this extreme and brutal psychological war on the citizens of Israel. This is a terrible, terrible situation all around. And this news comes heartbreaking news. This family was the symbol for everyone around the world. That video that we just saw is what they see. And this is where I want to bring in retired colonel Amin Asa, who's a former member of the Israeli security agency. This psychological operation, why bring this up now? It sounds as though it's like a way, a ploy to say, let's try to extend the ceasefire. We don't want any more of these things to occur. Yes. I think it's the last tool that Sinwa held when we are talking about releasing children because he has to pay the price of releasing them. This day or another day, and he got to the end. After that, he will have to release others. So he's using it until the last minute. I don't know if the Bipas family was killed now or in the bomb before. Or if they weren't off. If it's right information from the Hamas, they knew it from advance. So they used the information about that, and they didn't use it publicly. It's also kind of using in this game that they are playing. And it's very obvious that they are playing with our heart. And they know that it hurts, and they know that it works on Israeli minds. And this is a psychologically war that we are into. We have to be very solid in it. We have to know that this is our enemy. But it will not stop us to stop them. Because the idea is being that this is soul crushing. Soul crushing for Israelis, soul crushing for people around the world who see this kind of terror and fight it. And in that respect, this is that chip, the last chip to play. I think that we all know that everybody in the world have to see whom we are dealing with. It's not human. It's not a people. It's not an army. It's some kind of a creature that all over the world have to understand what we are facing in Israel. Because it's affected the whole world. It's not just Israel. Israel is just in the tip of this whole world of Islamic radical that is spreading all over the world. So be aware, we wake up. We wake up for a long time. Now it was the wake up call for the world to understand who is against the free world. And we can see it. This is the evidence for it. And we can see it by our eyes. And the world now is evidenced very clearly. I mean, I'm going to play Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu just moments ago came out and basically a late concern or fear, as I would say, that people here in Israel and around the world that once the ceasefire is over in the next couple of days, if it is over by 7 a.m. tomorrow as the original plan is, and if it continues on, it continues on, it would just be a continued ceasefire. The Prime Minister wanted to counter that. Here's what he had to say. Take a look. From the beginning of the war, I set three goals. The elimination of Hamas, the return of all our abductees, and to ensure that Gaza will never again be a threat to Israel. These three goals remain in place. In the last week, we achieved a very great achievement, the return of many dozens of our abductees. A week ago, it would have sounded imaginary, but we have achieved it. But in the last few days, I hear a question. After this phase of returning our abductees is exhausted, will Israel return to fighting? So my answer is an unequivocal yes. Because there are a lot of people who listen before the Prime Minister came out and said, what Israel is doing right now is a sign of weakness. It's wimping out. You're doing these extended ceasefires. You're just going back to what it was before October. And this is a sign of us Israelis wimping out. I don't think so. Of course, if you are watching it from the eyes of the Hamas, from the eyes of the radical Islam, like Iran, Hezbollah, it's looked like a weakness. But there are always a mistake in the Israeli mind, because Israeli can be very human, can be very emotional. But in the other hand, we will be very, very strong with the fight and with the strike that will lead the Hamas to be down. So we have time, and we will do it step by step as we need to do it, because now what's important, it's as many hostages that we can save, we will do it. Even if it means that people would say, how could you negotiate with terrorists? You know, rule number one of anybody who does hostages negotiation is that you don't negotiate with terrorists. Yeah. As we can see at the first, at the beginning of the war, Israel was pushing very hard with the army. We are pushing because we pushed Sinwall to the wall. When he was with his back to the wall, this kind of exchange of hostages getting free from his hand, his vicious hands have been available, have been possible. And now maybe it will be the second step. We again will push it by war, by force, again until we will have the others. But if I may, you go by 10 by 10, right, 10 every day you get released if you just do the math. Simple math, I mean 16 days, four weeks, about a month. And Israel sustained a month of succession? No problem. No problem. Israel is easier for Israel to stay this time in the Gaza Strip. And if you are watching the other side, the miserable life that they have now after bombing 20% of all Gaza Strip, and the condition that the Hamas members are down in the ground, they have a lot of problem against what we have. And we are very cool and can handle this time. We don't have any pressure on us. I'm going to have you hold for one moment, I mean, because now we're going to go there. Nicole Setic, I-24 News Correspondent, she's at the area of the Dead Sea where a lot of the residents, about almost a quarter million residents of all of Israel between the south and the north have been displaced. Many of them are now holed up, I don't know about other way to describe it, holed up in these hotels. Nicole, there was a discussion today about the fact that many of the residents of Kibbutzim have not met with the Prime Minister until today. What is the situation with that? Well, now we're hearing from definitely at least two of these different Kibbutzis, specifically Kibbutz-Berry, which this is where many of those family members have evacuated, this exact hotel where I am. Now those community leaders from Kibbutz-Berry are saying that in this kind of an impromptu meeting, it sounds like with the Prime Minister Netanyahu, it says that they're not going to attend it, because in their words they say we would be happy to meet with Prime Minister Netanyahu if he comes to bury, if he not only meets with the community leaders of the Kibbutz, but the entire community and actually sees firsthand the devastation. So there is a lot of controversy over why just now, nearly two months after the start of this war, the Prime Minister is just now meeting with so many of these different Kibbutz communities within that four kilometer radius that has been evacuated for more than 50 days now. They're asking why? Why now? Why has this not happened earlier? And why are you not coming to our communities firsthand, walking through, speaking with each of these community members that have been living in this hotel for more than seven weeks now, or almost in eight weeks that they've been, as you said, holed up here, ripped out of their homes, their communities completely destroyed. And so it is a controversial time again, we know what we're hearing from some of those Kibbutz community leaders that they're not going to take place. It sounds like in that meeting with the Prime Minister. Nicole, is there any indication from the Israeli government when those residents will be allowed to go back to their homes, even just to retrieve some, I mean, they were all run out of their homes on October the 7th. Many of them had not been able to go back. Is there any indication from the government whether or not they'll be able to go back just to retrieve their belongings? Some of them at this point have been able to go back, and we've heard from different border police, even the different security personnel that are at these different communities that have been going back and retrieving some of their belongings. But the belongings that they have to retrieve, because Albert, so many of these homes are destroyed beyond imagination. And so so many of their belongings are not there to retrieve. And that is the very difficult part. So at this point it has been heartwarming to see how many people throughout Israel have stepped up donating clothes, donating different hygiene products, donating whatever these community members may need. Because as you said, they had no warning of this. They were ripped out of their communities and it's been more than 50 days now that some of them have yet to go back. And many of them won't be returning for some time now. As far as the exact timeline of when they can actually go back and start to really rebuild and stay in their homes, the homes that they have left. That remains unknown and something that as we do see this ceasefire prolonged and the fighting prolonged, that absolutely has an impact on the timeline as well. You know, Nicole, one of the things also before I let you go, there's a lot of the relief sites. I went to one that's here in Tel Aviv. They're full of clothing from people who have been donating all around the country into Tel Aviv. One of the things that they said, and this is important for our viewers to know, they don't need any more summer clothing. We're in November. It's cold. If anything, they need winter clothing. So I just want to let everyone who's watching here in Israel and around the world, if you're sending material to the folks who have been displaced, send winter clothing instead. Forget the t-shirts and the shorts. No need for those. Exactly where we are going right now, especially in the Dead Sea. We're in the desert at nighttime. It's already getting dropping below 60 degrees out here. So you're absolutely right on that, Albert. If they do need some of those donations, it also just goes to show how long they've been outside of their communities because it was summer when they were ripped out. And now it's winter and who knows how long some of them might still have to be displaced and outside of their homes. Great, Nicole Setic. Thanks so much for joining us. She's live now in the area of the Dead Sea. Thanks again, Nicole. We are continuing our live team coverage of the hostage release deal. Around 10 hostages are being treated right now at two large Tel Aviv area hospitals, Shiba Medical Center. So we're going to go live right now to I-24 News Correspondent, Zach Anders. He's at Shiba right now and he has this update. Zach, what about the ones who are there right now where you are? Yeah, we're hearing several are still in care and that they're doing well considering what they've been through. Some have already been released and the main thing that the doctors apparently are looking for is the nutritional, how their bodies are reacting to, resuming eating regular square meals a day. Obviously, their body has undergone some changes. They've lost weight considering towards the tail end of their time in captivity. We're hearing that the amount of food that was available to the hostages grew less and less and less. But we are seeing that they're doing well. The image that you saw yesterday of 17-year-old Mia Limburg with her dog, she is in this hospital now and apparently doing well. She's responding well to the conditions and in good spirits and still being held here in the hospital along with several others. We also had the chance earlier to speak to the mother of one of the older women who was taken captivity and released and is still in the hospital here and take a listen. She arrived exhausted and a little dehydrated. They didn't eat well there and also less than usual. But she'll recover. She's in a good mood. She's now starting to understand what's happening around her. She's happy and laughs and tells jokes. She already gives her opinion on things. Now we just need to get grandpa back. Great. Zach Anders joining us live now from Shiba. You'll be staying there throughout the night. Thanks so much for joining us. I want to go back into the studio for one second. In case our viewers are just joining us, there was a report at the very top of the broadcast that the Bebas family, this is the family that had been the poster child, poster children, the poster family of this war, heartbreak of a story that we're about to report, that the family may have been killed. I want to go to Guy Azrael in our studio because if that is the case, there's a large implication for that. This family, the Bebas family, was on the screens of viewers both here and around the world. The baby fear was making top headlines in so many newspapers just over the past 24 hours. It really has become the symbol of this war, symbol of the brutality of Hamas. I cannot begin to describe what he means for the people of Israel who have been waiting anxiously for his return safely into Israel. We saw in the video both him, his brother, and his mother were taken alive and well. They were not injured where they were taken. I can also remind our viewers that the father, Jardin, has also been taken hostage. We presume separately, being separately from the mother and the two sons. So it has become a symbol, not just for Israel, but for the entire world of the brutality of Hamas. Obviously there will be, if these reports from Hamas are true, there will be incredible anger in the Israeli public. But beyond that, a very painful reminder for what Israel is fighting for, for this evil that has to be eliminated. Hamas made a point of blaming Israel for this. This is another cynical use of Hamas, of their tactical psychological war. We know as a fact that Hamas has murdered Israeli hostages in captivity. The soldier, Norm Marciano, was in a Hamas video in Good Health and then Hamas published images of her after she was killed. And the extent of her injuries do not look like a result of an Israeli bombardment. Without going into specific details, I would spare that from our viewers. She was slaughtered by those Hamas terrorists. I'm joined in studio again with Amit Asad, an retired colonel. When you hear what is going on, and you hear that the heartbreaking story of this family. I mean, if anything, it would strengthen the resolve for the Israeli public to say, do something about this, stop all negotiations and just get rid of the problem. Yes, of course, this is the dilemma. The dilemma is always on the table. The dilemma was at the beginning of this negotiation. And it's every day, every day from the beginning, we are in this dilemma. The dilemma is clear. Even if we are releasing another day, another 10 people, or we are getting back to fighting to put pressure on the Hamas to have another deal maybe better than the other. So it's a dilemma. And because if we will get into some action in war, again, it's risk also the hostages inside another dilemma. So it's not an easy question to answer. And it's not an easy decision for the army or the prime minister. But at the end, I think not just what the people in Israel will think, it's the people in Israel, the army, the ability of the army. Everything will calculate in for a decision to make the war start again. But do you think there's a situation here where the risk is almost too great? If we decide, okay, you know all bets are off, we're going in and we don't care about everybody else that's left behind and we don't care about everybody else. We care about everyone else, but we don't care about the risks of leaving behind everyone else. We're just going to go in. We started this action of war with the knowledge that everybody, all of the hostages was in. And we did it because we are all the time collecting information, collecting information from the field, from the hostages, from interrogations. We know the places that we think, and I'm sure that we know exactly the position and the places that they kept the hostages. So we will not deal with the bombing the hostages. Of course, it's not easy to make a risk and try to save them. But still, we have the information, we have the knowledge, and most of them we know exactly the point of, it's not a risk for the hostages. We're tired, Colonel. I mean, that's a former member of the Israeli Security Agency. Thanks so much for your analysis here. And of course, guy, Israel, thank you as well. Just a very, very short update. Hamas is updating the two hostages with the Russian passport have just been transferred to the Red Cross as part of the efforts of Russian President Vladimir Putin. That actually brings us to where right now, the fact that what happens with those hostages that they'll be sent to the Rafa crossing, from the Rafa crossing, they'll be brought into Southern Israel. So we're going to continue our team coverage with I-24 News correspondent Ariel Osiron. He's actually in the South, and he filed this report. I'm standing here outside the Southern border community of Shuva, where there's tense excitement ahead of the expected arrival of today's group of hostages. We're talking about an additional 10 hostages in part of the hostage ceasefire agreement between Israel and Hamas that has already been extended this its second day. And CNN reported from the Qatari Foreign Ministry spokesperson that they're encouraged of potentially being able to reach an agreement to further extend the ceasefire. But these are still reports and nothing concrete yet. The convoy of released hostages, obviously, once they are released, is expected to pass not too far away from here in the coming hours. But hopefully that's after nothing goes wrong in their handover from Hamas to the Red Cross, and then their transfer to Israeli forces outside of the Rafa crossing. Now, as the days progressing, we're hearing similar to the past few days, also additional accounts by the released hostages as to their conditions in captivity in Hamas tunnels. Some describing very scarce food mixed with pita bread, mixed with sand and water, and things like that. But as this continues, also does Hamas's psychological warfare. That's Ari El-Oseran reporting. Before we leave, I just want to let everyone know that we are monitoring the release of 10 hostages two on the way already. You know, the dying wish of Leora Agamani, whose daughter Noah is being held hostage right now is to see her daughter one final time. She left a heartbreaking recorded message. She wanted to share with everyone. I'm Albert Lewitton in Tel Aviv. Take a listen to this. It is in a state of war. Families completely done down in their beds. We have no idea where she is. As our soldiers are fighting on the front lines, but the general perception is something that certainly needs to be fought as well. This is an I-24 News special report, Israel at War. I'm Albert Lewitton at the I-24 News headquarters in Tel Aviv. Let me bring you up to speed on what we need to know right now. Number one, a source close to Hamas says the group is willing to extend a temporary truce for four more days in exchange for the release of more hostages and also the release of more Palestinians jailed under terror charges. Number two, we are being told that another 12 Israeli hostages will be returned tonight, released tonight, 10 Israeli hostages, and two Russian-Israeli dual nationals. Reportedly, as a thank you to Vladimir Putin, the head of Mossad is right now in Doha, Qatar, as we speak, meeting with the Qataris and also with CIA Chief William Burns. There's strong pressure on Israel to agree to a permanent, and I use that term in quotes, permanent ceasefire in exchange for the release of the remaining 160 being held by Hamas. Number three, there's also a report in the Washington Post that a continued ceasefire would allow for the hostages in this order to be released, remaining civilian women and children, then female soldiers, then men no longer of the age to do any reserve duty, then IDF reservists, then male soldiers, and also the bodies of those soldiers that were killed on October the 7th. And number four, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu just moments ago says there is no question Israel will return to fighting once the ceasefire ends. We'll have what he said in just a moment. And number five, Israel has tracked down and killed Mohamed Zabedi, the commander of the Janine Battalion, a terror group responsible for killing of the Israeli by the name of Mayor Tamari. Tamari was killed back in May in a terror shooting near the Northern West Bank settlement of Hamash. We have every single story covered on this angle, completely from head to toe. But we begin here in studio with Guy Azrael, I-24 News senior editor with some stories, a developing story that's breaking right now about the symbol of the hostages. I'm gonna first read to you the statement received by the IDF at this moment. And then I'll explain to our viewers what we're talking about. The IDF is saying that the Hamas-Tur group continues to act in a cruel and inhumane manner. The representatives of the IDF has spoken to the Bebas family, have informed them about the Hamas publicity and are escorting them at this time. The IDF is examining the credibility of the information, also adding that the responsibility for the safety of all the hostages in Gaza is fully on the Hamas-Tur group. This statement from the IDF comes after just a short while ago, Hamas claims that the Israeli hostages, the Bebas family that we can see on our screens now, this is the mother Shiri and her two sons, baby Kfir, 10 months old now in captivity. And Ariel, four years old, taken from their home by Hamas terrorists on October 7th. Hamas, an hour ago, claimed that they have been killed as a result of an Israeli airstrike. This was the statement from Hamas an hour ago. The IDF is validating that information. We need to remind of your several points here. This is part of Hamas' psychological war against Israel after also murdering other hostages in their hands like soldier Norm Marziano who we know was in a well-conditioned in good health at the hands of Hamas and then was murdered by Hamas as a captive, as a hostage we know that would not be the first case if that is true that Hamas murders hostages in their care. This is also after in recent days, Hamas attempted to claim that this family was in fact not in their hands, but in the hands of the PFLP terror group, the Palestinian Liberation Front as Israel was pushing for their release. Obviously, baby fear has become the symbol of this war, the trophy of Hamas and obviously the symbol for Israel of the extreme atrocities of Hamas, not only slaughtering over 1200 Israelis, most of them civilians, but also taking hostage babies as young as a 10-month-old baby. There is no pro-Palestinian in the world that can justify this act of terror. Taking hostage a baby, and we can also remind our viewers another point. Several weeks ago, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad announced that another hostage, Khan al-Khatsir, has died in their hands after publishing a video of her alive. Well, several days later, Khan al-Khatsir was released alive. So again, another sign of the, to say the least, the problem in credibility of these terror groups as they operate this extreme and brutal psychological war on the citizens of Israel. This is a terrible, terrible situation all around and this news comes heartbreaking news. This family was the symbol for everyone around the world. That video that we just saw is what they see. And this is where I want to bring in retired colonel Amit Asa, who's a former member of the Israeli Security Agency. This psychological operation, why bring this up now? It sounds as though it's like a way, a ploy to say, let's try to extend the ceasefire. We don't want any more of these things to occur. Yes, I think it's the last tool that Sinwa had when we are talking about releasing children because he has to pay the price of releasing them this day or another day. And he got to the end. After that, he will have to release others. So he's using it until the last minute. I don't know if the BIPAS family was killed now or in the bomb before. Or if they were at all. If they, if it's right information from the Hamas, they knew it from advance. So they used the information about that and they didn't use it publicly. It's also kind of using in this game that they are playing. And it's very obvious that they are playing with our heart and they know that it hurts and they know that it's works on Israeli minds. And this is the psychologically war that we are into. We have to be very solid in it. We have to know that this is our enemy, but it will not stop us to stop them. Because the idea is being that this is soul crushing. Soul crushing for Israelis, soul crushing for people around the world who see this kind of terror and fight it. And in that respect, this is that chip and the last chip to play. I think that we all know that everybody in the world have to see whom we are dealing with. Okay. It's not human. It's not a people. It's not an army. It's not, it's some kind of a creature that all over the world have to understand what we are facing in Israel, because it's affected the whole world. It's not just Israel. Israel is just in the tip of this whole world of Islamic radical that is spreading all over the world. So be aware, we wake up. We wake up for a long time. Now it was the wake up call for the world to understand who is against the free world. And we can see it. This is the evidence for it. And we can see it by our eyes. And the world now is evident very clearly. I mean, I'm going to play Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu just moments ago came out and basically a late concern or fear, as I would say, that people here in Israel and around the world that once the ceasefire is over in the next couple of days, if it is over by 7 a.m. tomorrow as the original plan is and if it continues on, it continues on, that it would just be a continued ceasefire. The Prime Minister wanted to counter that. Here's what he had to say. Take a look. From the beginning of the war, I set three goals. The elimination of Hamas, the return of all our abductees and to ensure that Gaza will never again be a threat to Israel. These three goals remain in place. In the last week, we achieved a very great achievement, the return of many dozens of our abductees. A week ago, it would have sounded imaginary, but we have achieved it. But in the last few days, I hear a question. After this phase of returning our abductees is exhausted, will Israel return to fighting? So my answer is an unequivocal yes. Because there are a lot of people who listen before the Prime Minister came out and said, what Israel is doing right now is a sign of weakness. It's wimping out. You're doing these extended ceasefires. You're just going back to what it was before October. And this is a sign of us Israelis wimping out. I don't think so. Of course, if you are watching it from the eyes of the Hamas, from the eyes of the radical Islam like Iran, Hezbollah, it looks like a weakness. But there are always a mistake in the Israeli mind, because Israeli can be very human, can be very emotional. But in the other hand, we will be very, very strong with the fight and with the strike that will lead the Hamas to be down. So we have time and we will do it step by step, as we need to do it, because now what's important, it's as many hostages that we can save, we will do it. Even if it means that people would say, how could you negotiate with terrorists? You know, rule number one of anybody who does hostages negotiation is that you don't negotiate with terrorists. Yeah, as we can see at the first, at the beginning of the war, Israel was pushing very hard with the army. We are pushing because we pushed Sinwa to the wall. When he was with his back to the wall, this kind of exchange of hostages, getting free from his hand, his vicious hands, have been available, have been possible. And now maybe it will be the second step, we again will push it by war, by force, again, until we will have the others. But if I may, you still, if you go by 10 by 10, right? 10 every day you get released, if you just do the math. Simple math, I mean 16 days, four weeks, about a month. Can Israel sustain a month of secession? No problem, no problem. Israel is easier for Israel to stay this time in the Gaza Strip. And if you are watching the other side, the miserable life that they have now, after bombing 20% of all Gaza Strip, and the condition that the Hamas members are down in the ground, they have a lot of problem against what we have. And we are very cool and can handle this time. We don't have any pressure on us. I'm going to have you hold for one moment, I mean, because now we're going to go there. Nicole Setic, I-24 News Correspondents, she's at the area of the Dead Sea where a lot of the residents, about almost a quarter million residents of all of Israel between the south and the north have been displaced. Many of them are now, and hold up, I don't know about other way to describe it, hold up in these hotels. Nicole, there was a discussion today about the fact that many of the residents of Kibbutzim have not met with the Prime Minister until today. What is the situation with that? Well, now we're hearing from definitely at least two of these different Kibbutzis, specifically Kibbutz Berry, which this is where many of those family members have evacuated this exact hotel where I am. And now those community leaders from Kibbutz Berry are saying that in this kind of an impromptu meeting, it sounds like with the Prime Minister Netanyahu, it says that they're not going to attend it. Because in their words, they say we would be happy to meet with Prime Minister Netanyahu if he comes to Berry. If he not only meets with the community leaders of the Kibbutz, but the entire community, and actually sees firsthand the devastation. And so there is a lot of controversy over why, just now, nearly two months after the start of this war, the Prime Minister is just now meeting with so many of these different Kibbutz communities within that four kilometer radius that has been evacuated for more than 50 days now. They're asking why, why now, why has this not happened earlier, and why are you not coming to our communities firsthand, walking through speaking with each of these community members that have been living in this hotel for more than seven weeks now. We're almost in eight weeks that they've been, as you said, hold up here, ripped out of their homes, their communities completely destroyed. And so it is a controversial time, and we know what we're hearing from some of those Kibbutz community leaders that they're not going to take place, it sounds like, in that meeting with the Prime Minister. Nicole, is there any indication from the Israeli government when those residents will be allowed to go back to their homes, even just to retrieve some, I mean, they were all run out of their homes on October the 7th. Many of them have not been able to go back. Is there any indication from the government whether or not they'll be able to go back just to retrieve their belongings? Some of them at this point have been able to go back, and we've heard from different border police, even the different security personnel that are at these different communities that have been going back and retrieving some of their belongings. But the belongings that they have to retrieve, because Albert, so many of these homes are destroyed beyond imagination, and so so many of their belongings are not there to retrieve. And that is the very difficult part. So at this point, it has been heartwarming to see how many people throughout Israel have stepped up donating clothes, donating different hygiene products, donating whatever these community members may need, because as you said, they had no warning of this. They were ripped out of their communities, and it's been more than 50 days now that some of them have yet to go back, and many of them won't be returning for some time now. As far as the exact timeline of when they can actually go back and start to really rebuild and stay in their homes, the homes that they have left, that remains unknown and something that as we do see this ceasefire prolonged and the fighting prolonged, that absolutely has an impact on the timeline as well. You know, Nicole, one of the things also before I let you go, a lot of the relief sites, I went to one that's here in Tel Aviv, they're full of clothing from people who have been donating all around the country into Tel Aviv. One of the things that they said, and this is important for our viewers to know, they don't need any more summer clothing. We're in November, it's cold. If anything, they need winter clothing. So I just want to let everyone who's watching here in Israel and around the world, if you're sending material to the folks who have been displaced, send winter clothing instead. Forget the t-shirts and the shorts. No need for those. Exactly, we are going right now, especially in the Dead Sea. We're in the desert at nighttime. It's already getting dropping below 60 degrees out here. So you're absolutely right on that, Albert, if they do need some of those donations, it also just goes to show how long they've been outside of their communities because it was summer when they were ripped out and now it's winter and who knows how long some of them might still have to be displaced and outside of their homes. Great, Nicole Setic. Thanks so much for joining us. She's live now in the area of the Dead Sea. Thanks again, Nicole. We are continuing our live team coverage of the hostage release deal. Around 10 hostages are being treated right now at two large Tel Aviv area hospitals, Ikhlova and the Shiba Medical Center. So we're going to go live right now to I-24 News Correspondent, Zach Anders. He's at Shiba right now, and he has this update. Zach, what about the ones who are there right now where you are? Yeah, we're hearing several are still in care and that they're doing well considering what they've been through. Some have already been released and the main thing that the doctors apparently are looking for is the nutritional, how their bodies are reacting to resuming eating regular square meals a day. Obviously, their body has undergone some changes. They've lost weight considering towards the tail end of their time in captivity. We're hearing that the amount of food that was available to the hostages grew less and less and less, but we are seeing that they're doing well. The image that you saw yesterday of 17-year-old Mia Limburg with her dog, she is in this hospital now and apparently doing well. She's responding well to the conditions and in good spirits and still being held here in the hospital, along with several others. We also had the chance earlier to speak to the mother of one of the older women who was taken captivity and released and is still in the hospital here and take a lesson. She arrived exhausted and a little dehydrated. They didn't eat well there and also less than usual, but she'll recover. She's in a good mood. She's now starting to understand what's happening around her. She's happy and laughs and tells jokes. She already gives her opinion on things. Now we just need to get grandpa back. I love. Great. Zach Anders joining us live now from Shiba. You'll be staying here throughout the night. Thanks so much for joining us. I want to go back into the studio for one second in case our viewers are just joining us. There was a report at the very top of the broadcast that the Bebas family, this is the family that had been the poster child, poster children, the poster family of this war, heartbreak, heartbreak of a story that we're about to report. That there was, that the family may have been killed. I want to go to Guy Azrael in our studio because if that is the case, there's a large implication for that. This family, the Bebas family was on the screens of viewers both here and around the world. The baby fear was making top headlines in so many newspapers just over the past 24 hours. It really has become the symbol of this war, symbol of the brutality of Hamas. I cannot begin to describe what he means for the people of Israel who have been waiting anxiously for his return safely into Israel. We saw in the video both him, his brother, and his mother were taken alive and well. They were not injured when they were taken. I can also remind our viewers that the father, Yardan, has also been taken hostage. We presume separately, being separately from the mother and the two sons. So it has become a symbol, not just for Israel, but for the entire world of the brutality of Hamas. Obviously, there will be, if these reports from Hamas are true, there will be incredible anger in the Israeli public. But beyond that, a very painful reminder for what Israel is fighting for, for this evil that has to be eliminated. Hamas made a point of blaming Israel for this. This is another cynical use of Hamas, of their tactical psychological war. We know, as a fact, that Hamas has murdered Israeli hostages in captivity. The soldier, Noor Marciano, was in a Hamas video in good health and then Hamas published images of her after she was killed. And the extent of her injuries does not look like a result of an Israeli bombardment. Without going into specific details, I would spare that from our viewers. She was slaughtered by those Hamas terrorists. I'm joined in studio again with Amit Asad, retired colonel. When you hear what is going on, and you hear the heartbreaking story of this family, I mean, if anything, it would strengthen the resolve for the Israeli public to say, do something about this, stop all negotiations, and just get rid of the problem. Yes, of course, this is the dilemma. The dilemma is always on the table. The dilemma was at the beginning of this negotiation. And it's every day, every day from the beginning, we are in this dilemma. The dilemma is clear. Even if we are releasing another day, another 10 people, or we are getting back to fighting to put pressure on the Hamas to have another deal, maybe better than the other. So it's a dilemma. And because if we will get into some action in war, again, it's risk also the hostages inside another dilemma. So it's not an easy question to answer, and it's not an easy decision for the army or the prime minister. But at the end, I think not just what the people in Israel will think, it's the people in Israel, the army, the ability of the army. Everything will calculate in for a decision to make the war start again. But do you think there's a situation here where the risk is almost too great? If we decide, okay, you know what? All bets are off, we're going in, and we don't care about everybody else that's left behind. And we don't care about everybody else. We care about everyone else, but we don't care about the risks of leaving behind everyone else. We're just going to go in. We started this action of war with the knowledge that everybody, all of the hostages was in. And we did it because we are all the time collecting information, collecting information from the field, from the hostages, from interrogations. We know the places that we think, and I'm sure that we know exactly the position and the places that they kept the hostages. So we will not deal with the bombing the hostages. Of course it's not easy to make a risk and try to save them. But still, we have the information, we have the knowledge, and most of them we know exactly the points of, it's not a risk for the hostages. Retire Colonel, let me ask a former member of the Israeli Security Agency, thanks so much for your analysis here. And of course, Guy, Israel, thank you as well. Just a very, very short update, Hamas is updating that two hostages with a Russian passport have just been transferred to the Red Cross as part of the efforts of Russian President Vladimir Putin. That actually brings us to where right now, with the fact that what happens with those hostages is that they'll be sent to the Rafa crossing, from the Rafa crossing, they'll be brought into the southern Israel. So we're going to continue our team coverage with I-24 News correspondent Ariel Oceran. He's actually in the south, and he filed this report. I'm standing here outside the southern border community of Shuva, where there's tense excitement ahead of the expected arrival of today's group of hostages. We're talking about an additional 10 hostages in part of the hostage ceasefire agreement between Israel and Hamas, that has already been extended this its second day. And CNN reported from the Qatari Foreign Ministry spokesperson that they're encouraged of potentially being able to reach an agreement to further extend the ceasefire, but these are still reports and nothing concrete yet. The convoy of released hostages, obviously once they are released, are expected to pass not too far away from here in the coming hours, but hopefully that's after nothing goes wrong in their handover from Hamas to the Red Cross, and then their transfer to Israeli forces outside of the Rafa crossing. As the day's progressing, we're hearing similar to the past few days, also additional accounts by the released hostages as to their conditions in captivity in Hamas tunnels, some describing very scarce food mixed with pita bread, mixed with sand and water, and things like that. But as this continues, also does Hamas's psychological warfare, and that's our Alosa Run Report. Before we leave, I just want to let everyone know that we are monitoring the release of 10 hostages, two on the way already. The dying wish of Liora Agamani, whose daughter Noah is being held hostage right now is to see her daughter one final time. She left a heartbreaking recorded message. She wanted to share with everyone. I'm Albert Lewitton in Tel Aviv. Take a listen to this. Broadcasting from Israel with dozens of correspondents throughout the world brings the truth from Israel to hundreds of millions of people in scores of countries. Bringing Israel's story to the world. I-24 News Channels, now on Hot. New special coverage. It's another nerve-wracking night when 12 more Israeli hostages are about to be released by Hamas in Gaza. Families are waiting. The whole country is on edge. We'll start off with I-24 News, Nicole Serik, with displaced residents and family members waiting some good news for a change, Nicole. Hopefully, Jacob, I'm here at the David Dead Sea Resort and Spa, right in the Dead Sea. And this is where residents of Kibbutz Berry have been staying here at this hotel for more than 50 days now. Now, their community alone, more than two dozen people were kidnapped. And so they have been waiting to hopefully continue to see more of them returned. I can't say 12 of them have returned so far over this past five days during this ceasefire, but still, every day, these residents are on edge because as they welcome more and more back to their communities, they're really not welcoming them back to a community because their community has been here in the Dead Sea for nearly eight weeks now. And so that's also one of the most devastating parts for so many of these community members because as it is so joyous to finally see some of their loved ones return home, they then are tasked with telling them they don't have a home to go back to. Kibbutz Berry was completely destroyed. And as I said, we have seen dozens of family members who have been kept out here at this hotel for more than 50 days now. So they are hoping to see a little bit of bright news later in the night. I can tell you some of them are gathering inside right now all around a large screen, hoping to look at those moments when some of those hostages are finally brought into Israeli territory. That's what they're eagerly waiting to see, still gathering around the TV as we speak right now, awaiting any hour now, really to hopefully see that good news, but definitely a mixed bag of emotions, Jacob, because while it is a glimmer of hope, it not only reminds me of the devastation that they'll be coming back to, but also the other hostages that still remain held in Gaza. Right. It takes time, takes nerves. We'll see through this throughout the night. Thank you very much, Nicole. We'll get back to you obviously later. Here in the studio are Shiri Fine Grossman, former head of regional affairs at the Israeli National Security Council. Thank you for coming. And I, 24 years senior correspondent, Owen Alterman. Owen, let's start with some updates. Right. Of course, the central event, as you just spoke about with Nicole, is the issue of freeing the hostages. And we can look at it in three layers. First of all, the batch today. Two, a dual Israeli-Russian nationals. Hamas said it's already transferred them to the Red Cross. They are outside, Jacob, of the agreement between the Israeli government and Hamas. This is a gesture, as Hamas puts it, to Russian President Vladimir Putin, a sort of gesture of thanks for his support, if you will. But for what it's worth, it gets two more female hostages freed. And they've reportedly already been transferred. We're obviously waiting for the other 10 Israeli hostages to be transferred. Families have been notified and told to go to the hospitals. So the understanding in Israel seems to be that that transfer will soon be underway. But we haven't been told that, Jacob. Again, these are transfers that, according to the original agreement, were supposed to happen by four o'clock local time. It's now six o'clock. So it's two hours late. But of course, that's been power for the course the last few days. Presumably that will happen smoothly over the next few hours. And we'll see the familiar pictures and, of course, happy pictures of those hostages being released and reunited with their families. The next question is over the next few days. There are at least three more days, but probably only three days, under which the Israeli government can extend the truce without having to go back to another meeting of the full government, the 30 plus ministers, to get more approval from them. And there are talks ongoing in Qatar, as we all know, to extend the truce by a few days. The Israeli government's position is said by sources to number foreign media outlets is Israel wants to see Hamas first release women and children as part of the extension of those few days of truce. We haven't gotten a final word that the truce is going to be extended by those few days. The Qataris, as usual, are optimistic in putting that out in the public domain, but no official word. That's ongoing, obviously, has to be closed in the next few hours. And then the question of a longer truce, expanding the categories of hostages to be released, a much more complicated decision for the Israeli government, certainly will take more meetings of the various forums, including the full government. That would be down the line. And on the question of children and their mothers, Hamas surprises Israel today, in a way, saying that the Bebas brothers and their mother are dead. And Israel rejects that. Well, listen, at first, Hamas, of course, had said that the Bebas family, which has become one of the families, it's been a symbol of the struggle to bring them home, was transferred to another Palestinian terrorist group or armed group in Khan Yunus, or somewhere in the Gaza Strip, presumed to be Khan Yunus, and they were not in Hamas' hands, and Hamas can't find them, and so on and so forth. Hamas now coming out today and saying that they were killed in the Israeli airstrikes on the Gaza Strip. The Israeli military came out and said it's studying the information that is in touch with the families. Jacob, what that means is Israel is not dismissing this, and it's not ruled it out, simply the military saying that it's checking this. Obviously, we're hoping for the best for the family, and certainly for that 10-month-old boy, again, nine-months-old when he was taken hostage by Hamas, as a four-month-old brother and his mother, the three presumed to have been together, and Hamas now saying that three were killed. The Israeli military saying it's checking the information and is in touch with the family. Yeah, in Israel it's perceived there's another psychological exploit by Hamas. Although interestingly again, the Israeli military not dismissing it and says that it's checking it, but of course that it does not mean the Israeli military is confirming it. So you're right, it's being checked and they're in touch with the family. We're obviously hoping for the best. All right. Shiri, the question of a larger deal is looming, and how do you see this? Well, I think the current dynamics is going to make it very difficult to continue this ceasefire pause, whatever you may call it. I think Qatar has tried to put this around in a situation where it delegitimizes it if it wants to break the ceasefire and continue fighting, but there have been development on the ground throughout the last couple of days where there's been an exchange of claims that both sides have breached the agreement. And today, I think three Palestinians in the Gaza Strip were killed. Palestinians, Hamas, claims that were farmers. Of course, Israel and the IDF sees it as trying to push boundaries as much as possible, and that is not acceptable. And we have a serious development going on in Janine Refugee Camp. Today, I'm sure you'll speak about it later, but there were two very senior operatives killed in the last 12 hours by the IDF, and it's an ongoing situation in the West Bank. And add to that is the support Hamas is getting from freeing prisoners from Israeli prisoner. Every night, Ramallah is covered by Hamas flags. That should raise red flags for Israel. And just the current dynamics is just I just can't see the ceasefire continuing later than early next week, but we'll have to see. And we see, oh, and some posturing and threats from Israeli leadership. We are going to go back to fighting in Gaza, maybe to put more pressure, but the public opinion sentiment in Israel is really to go on with finish the job, so to speak. In terms of the hostages or in terms of the war? In terms of both. In terms of the war. Absolutely. There's no support here in Israel for a permanent ceasefire, really almost anywhere on the political spectrum. The question as always over the last two weeks, Jacob, is how to balance the twin goals, right? Winning the war proper and bringing the hostages home to date in terms of the past six days, including today, in terms of the freeing of the hostages. It's been quite popular. This deal has been quite popular among the Israeli public. The public is willing to take the risks of impinging the war effort proper for the rewards of bringing these hostages home. But as Cheery was saying, over the course of time, does the calculus start to change, right? Does the public start to worry that the risks that are being taken on in terms of being able to continue to prosecute the war start to outweigh the rewards of additional hostages? These are very, very difficult decisions. We don't know exactly where public opinion is going to be more to the point. We don't know exactly where the politicians are going to be because again, at some point, this is going to take the approval of the full Israeli government, 30 plus ministers with a wide variety of opinions and many, many parts of their constituency that are very, very skeptical of prisoner exchanges and some that have gone on the record being skeptical of them as well. So there are going to be tough choices ahead, but for the time being this deal is quite popular, but Shiri is absolutely right that looking over the horizon into early next week, it's not clear exactly how the public is going to feel about balancing these two goals, but certainly the idea of a permanency spire that's being endlessly floated in Qatar, not only there, of course, in plenty of Western capitals as well. That is not something that has wide support in the public. Obviously, people are very, very concerned about Amos continuing to be in control of the Gaza Strip. Right. Let me just say that the footage you see is not live. It's from yesterday. We have no word yet about any progress in the deal, no word about the hostages being transferred to the Red Cross yet. Except for the exception of those two dual Israeli Russian nationals, which are said to have been transferred. Right. So we are awaiting a word on that, of course. Yes, Shiri. I want to add two more points, maybe three. First of all, I think the Israeli public is going through some sort of psychological torture and it's getting very tired of the way Hamas is behaving each day, not knowing who's on the list, keeping those children, the Bebes family to last. It looks very much like a human shield to protect Hamas to just to continue the ceasefire. And I think people are growing tired of it. That's one thing. Two major development, I think. One is the Qatari officials, prime ministers, and others are saying, you know, destroying Hamas is not a reachable goal. It has to be part of the future of the Palestinian people. And so we need to think of something else. That's a very bad sign. And the other bad sign is we saw Jibril Adjub, which maybe you remember him from Second Intifada, is a senior Palestinian authority. We're saying Hamas is part of the political spectrum of the Palestinian people. So those two things coupled with what the Israeli opinion on Hamas and its future is very problematic. All right. Let's go to I-24 News, Ariel Ossaran, who is standing by where the hostages are planned to pass through in the south area. Right, Jacob. So there's still a long ways to go until the hostages arrive here. Obviously, there's a tense excitement and anticipation of their release, but the first phase of that of the handover from Hamas to the Red Cross in Southern Gaza that has not happened yet. Al Jazeera just in the past few minutes sharing footage of Hamas vehicles making their way to the area. So that is a potential indication that this is moving forward. But obviously we won't know that until we get official footage or announcements. Obviously we're waiting for the announcement by the IDF that they have been transferred to the Red Cross and only then will we start seeing the footage. That is usually the dynamic of what's been going on here. Now, I want to also refer to what you talked about in the studio about the psychological warfare of the Bebas family and 10-month-old Kfir who is really the smallest human shield Hamas has ever used. And the fact that they're announcing the death obviously could go either way the IDF saying that it is reviewing the situation. And look, the question that was raised in the studio about the fact that every day we don't know who's coming out until they come out until they're released that is not exactly the case because Israel does know many hours before who is on the expected list but given that Israel is well aware of Hamas's cruelty and willingness to engage in psychological warfare their Israeli officials are concerned to make that list public because Hamas could make last-minute changes. And so the reason that the Israeli and global public don't know in advance who is expected to be released today is not because the names are known to Israel it's simply because Israel wants to take every possible precaution to avoid the efficacy of Hamas's psychological warfare unfortunately this creates the reality that we're in now of uncertainty but at the end of the day the families the hostages are top of mind in such a decision and we're all going to have to continue to wait patiently obviously that's not the same you cannot say that to the families of the hostages that every day wait on pins and needles waiting to see if their family members if their loved ones are in the next list the next wave of release today is a little is a little different because we are in the second day of the two-day extension to the ceasefire after today's hostages are released it is not clear if there will be another release tomorrow or if the fighting is resuming according to Israeli leaders Netanyahu Prime Minister and also the Defense Minister Yav Garant the fighting is expected to resume shortly and at least according to Defense Minister Garant that fighting will take place all across Gaza Strip and so today obviously we're waiting for the release of the group of 10 Israeli hostages following the release of two dual nationals with Russian nationality they have already been handed over to the Red Cross of course waiting for the much anticipated announcement of the release of today's group of 10 hostages right Arielle Saran thank you very much we'll get back to you as news develop with us now is Ori Slonim former special advisor to ministers of defense in Israel on hostage and missing people you're very experienced with these kind of things but not with this kind of situation which is of course something we haven't seen before and you haven't seen in many years of dealing with this I haven't seen such a huge operation in my lifetime and I don't think that anybody worldwide saw such such an operation it's first of all it's a huge amount of human beings including babies of at that time nine months now he's 10 months and girls mothers and babies babies without mothers all the old people the age of about 85 so nobody nobody knew of such cruelty right I should say that there are some reports surfacing in Arab media mainly about that the Hamas has transferred the Israelis to the Red Cross this is the kind of thing we hear every night not confirmed we're not sure but it's starting to move apparently how do you see the deal so far we're on the sixth day Ori and it's been working more or less right I'd like to be very frank with you from day one of this so-called operation of exchanging kidnapped people I was I was at the opinion that it should be only one stage for all one stage from our side one stage from their side and exchanging everybody who is who is agreed I was totally against this process which is stages by stages being prolonged on a daily basis and it's a real unhuman torture and nowadays you see that I feel that that I was a little bit naive of not thinking of Hamas doing such a such a torture because every day when I hear the families those who their deers are coming and those who their deers are not coming it's it's unhuman it is but bottom line you know we have after tonight nearly 70 Israelis back home that's something as well and but another but another 150 are there of course and that's the next question when are we going to get stuck with this deal with maybe another day maybe another three days where is the next major obstacle in your opinion I'm not the one to answer your question because I don't know I don't know if even those who are on the decision making process know I think it's a day on a daily basis there are lots of changes lot of tricks and games and God knows how do you think this thing could from a negotiator point of view how do you think this thing can conclude if at all this hostage deal if Israel wants everybody back I think that initially until the last kidnapped hostage will come back home but I believe that if it will be prolonged and being played by psychological games like that I really don't know yeah it is it is tough it is unprecedented Ori Slonim thank you very much thank you Yako thank you so as we said before there are reports coming out of Gaza that things are getting somehow according to plan right yeah and as you mentioned Jacob oftentimes it starts in Arabic media and then and then spreads onward but look we have no reason to believe and in fact reason to believe that we have no reason to believe it won't proceed as planned at least tonight and reason to believe that it will again the families have been asked to go to the hospitals and plans are being made to absorb these hostages at various Israeli hospitals again according to the routine that we've become accustomed to over the course of the last number of days but again it bears repeating that there are talks to extend this by a number of days but we're still sitting here just after six o'clock local time and there's still no deal so the talks are still going on and so there's obviously a lot of uncertainty and in principle at 12 o'one local time less than six hours from now the Israeli military could be going back to war in the Gaza Strip I don't think that's the expectation I think the better bet is that there will be some deal I think that's the feeling here in Israel at least a deal again to extend this by a number of days to bring home women and children to continue to maximize and use the original framework and original mandate given by that full panoply of ministers but again as we've been talking about what happens after those few days and as you just asked our guest is there an ability to extend this deal on terms at the Israeli government and at the Israeli public are willing to live with and at what point does the military simply lose too much momentum in prosecuting the war and again these are difficult questions and in a number of days I think the public is going to have to face them quite squarely and at what point will Hamas say this is just for stopping the war yeah yeah it's a really nerve-wracking negotiations I think if there's a credible threat on the table of sort of resuming the IDF attack all over Gaza I think that is the major leverage for Hamas right now to release more hostages so I think if you use that leverage at this point of time it's the best we have to release more hostages until a certain point maybe some injured maybe not but still he's going to probably keep a lot of Israeli soldiers unfortunately women and women that he kidnapped on October 7th and he's going to hold on to them until there's a it could take years until he gets to a bigger deal and yeah that's that's where we're at right now yeah in any case Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu says that Israel will definitely go back to fighting in Gaza from the beginning of the war I set three goals the elimination of Hamas the return of all our abductees and to ensure that Gaza will never again be a threat to Israel these three goals remain in place in the last week we achieved a very great achievement the return of many dozens of our abductees a week ago it would have sounded imaginary but we have achieved it but in the last few days I hear a question after this phase of returning our abductees is exhausted will Israel return to fighting? so my answer is an unequivocal yes Oh and I think he mainly wants to quell fears in public opinion that the war is not going to end or going to end prematurely right right but I think that there's an element here Jacob where he protests too much right both him and Defense Minister Yov Galan for that matter the fact that the Prime Minister needs to come out and say this the fact that Defense Minister Yov Galan needs to go in the tank area surrounded by tanks as he did a few hours ago and insist that the army is ready to go back any moment and Gaza is showing that in the sense they protest too much look going into the ceasefire I think there were two worries right on the part of the Israeli public one ramped up diplomatic pressure to wrap up the war that's the dog that hasn't barked there hasn't been this huge ramping up of diplomatic pressure for a ceasefire there is a kind of continued drumbeat but there hasn't been the kind of diplomatic tsunami the wave of journalists going into Gaza with new pictures and new videos of destruction that's the dog that hasn't barked that's I think the fear that really hasn't materialized or it has materialized much less than expectations were but the second fear that the public would be in a kind of slumber we'd be kind of accustomed to the daily routine of the happy pictures of the hostages going home and considering another day and another day and another day and another day with the kind of return to war being simply too psychologically awkward I think there is a real danger that that fear has materialized that's why you heard the Prime Minister coming out that way the Defense Minister coming out that way but the fact that they have to come out that way it shows that there is a real concern I think on their part in the many quarters of Israeli public opinion that that's where the public is at and it's going to be very very hard to go from zero to 100 at 12 o'clock one in the morning on some in the middle of some night over the next few days and have the army go back to prosecute the war after we've had a very very different routine over the course of the last week or more Sure I agree we have to prepare the Israeli public to get back to war to be near any self-shelter to hide from rockets that are most probably being laid in the time of the ceasefire by Hamas and I think the Israeli public gets used to any routine very quickly either war or peace so he wants to prepare the public and through that he also wants to send a message I think both to the U.S. administration and to the Qatari government and the Egyptians saying hey we're not giving up on our offensive in Gaza and I'm telling the Israeli public that but I'm telling through him to you as well Right and we should mention again and again the deal is off tonight after the release of these 12 Correct now we should expect probably after the release or together with their release some announcement about an extension of two three days Right I mean that's what happened a few days ago when this initial extension of two days was made by the way we never got an official statement from Israel that the truth is being extended it came from Qatar and the United States and others and Israeli sources and so forth but no actual official statement which is again is curious but you're right Jacob obviously if it's going to be extended it needs to happen in the coming hours there are obviously active talks by the way we should mention that U.S. Secretary of State Anthony Blinken will be in Israel tomorrow so if tomorrow was actually today when the IDF goes back to war that would be awfully awkward right with the Secretary of State here on the ground so I suspect he is coming with the understanding that this is going to be extended and we've already discussed the reasons why that's a safe bet by the way Anthony Blinken in a press statement earlier on press conference earlier today at a meeting of NATO ministers talked about what he wants to see right he talked about the day after in Gaza and referred previous comments where he said Hamas will not be ruling in Gaza and the day after but the rest of his statement was quite interesting and in a way curious said that he understands what Israel needs to make sure that October 7th can never happen again but that there also need to be more steps taken to protect Palestinian civilians bring in humanitarian aid did not repeat support for taking down Hamas's military capabilities or even explicitly saying ending Hamas control over the Gaza Strip so maybe some questions for him tomorrow about where the U.S. stands on those goals very complicated we'll take a short break and we'll be right back with more special coverage in a state of war families completely done down in their beds we have no idea where is she as our soldiers are fighting on the front lines but the general perception is something that certainly needs to to be fought as well to our special coverage here Night 24 News following reports on another deal another tense night or an Ultramar Night 24 News and it corresponded what's the latest well the most important development the last half hour Jacob again reports that those 10 Israeli nationals who are part of the agreement between Israel and Hamas that the transfer of them from Hamas to the Red Cross has started within the Gaza Strip obviously welcome news for the Israeli public it had been expected it is later than it was reportedly mandated in the agreement but we've become used to it but at any rate the families were already told even before that to go to the hospitals again meaning Israeli authorities were confident that this was actually going to happen prior to that Hamas had said it had also transferred an additional two hostages with dual Israeli and Russian citizenships that were not part of this deal but was seen was put forward as Hamas as a gesture to Russian President Vladimir Putin for what that's worth but at any rate what it's worth is another two hostages going free that at least is good news so these 12 hostages would then be on their way to Israeli territory to Israeli hospitals reunited with their families and getting medical care all of the scenes and the happy pictures we've become used to over the last number on the other hand disturbing news about the Bebas family yes yes the Bebas family including 10-month-old fear Bebas again nine months old when he was taken hostage by Hamas with the four-year-old brother with his mother as well Hamas had originally said that they had been transferred to another Palestinian terrorist organization in Gaza presumed to be in Kanyunas in the southern part of the strip Hamas coming out today and saying that they were killed in an Israeli airstrike the Israeli military coming out with a statement an hour or two ago not dismissing Hamas's claim instead say they were checking the trustworthiness of it and were in touch with the family so the military not dismissing but importantly also to say not confirming either what it is that Hamas said about the fate of the Bebas family and especially that 10-month-old baby who has become a symbol of the fight to bring them all home so obviously being checked by Israel's authorities an important mark of the both the struggle to bring the hostages home and the future of the deal right how many children and women are still left alive as hostages within the Gaza Strip it's an important metric because Israel has demanded that going forward if this truce is to be extended with more hostages released again it hasn't happened yet that it may well happen over the next few hours the Israeli government has reportedly been insistent that it's women and children who continue to be released first the four other categories of hostages are released so the question is how many of them are still left how many are alive and how much can how much can Hamas be trusted in providing that information right I say that the Bebas family already making headlines around the world obviously Shari Fine Grossman now assuming assuming we have an extension tonight it's not formal no announcement yet but assuming we have two three days of an extended deal what's next well it's a it's a very very strategic decision because what's next is what Hamas would like to see a huge deal where we're actually ceasing the fire completely ending the activity and going into negotiations over the soldiers that are kept hostage and in exchange to all of the Palestinian prisoners in Israeli prisons there are about 7,000 of them including those who were who were captured the since October 7 many of them must be Hamas and some of them are very senior Hamas operatives we that are exactly like Yighe Sinjar and so very it's not just a decision it's a strategic decision because if Israel agrees to that and I don't think it will those will immediately join the fight with Hamas both in Gaza but mainly in the West Bank and I think it's all about what we're seeing is really the this day after Mahmoud Abbas that we've been speaking of for the last decade or so this is really Hamas' plan to take over completely Gaza and the West Bank it's beginning stronger and stronger in the West Bank we've seen Hamas flags all over Ramallah which is quite unusual and in other parts and that's very worrisome we're seeing two so-called cooperating with Israel that were hanged in the Tulkarem camp from when we're abused completely and that is very alarming to Israel so it's a strategic decision on how do we see the territories of the of Gaza and the West Bank in the near future and in the far future so it's not an easy decision to make I think it is easy meanwhile the official word in Israel is that we're expecting five children and seven women this evening five children and seven women what we're seeing now those murky pictures from Gaza are apparently part of the process and this is not a live shot but rather something from a while ago and these Jacob and previous days have been provided by Hamas and as you can see on your screen the many many people in Gaza there in a sense celebrating the taking of the hostages celebrating the Hamas fighters it's hard of course to gauge to what extent this reflects public opinion in the Gaza Strip we obviously have that poll from a few weeks ago that show about 70% of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip and maybe a slightly higher number in the West Bank more or less on various questions that support Hamas support what happened on October 7th so in that sense it may be reflective on the other hand how is it realistic to pull Palestinians and Gaza in the middle of this war how free are people to express their opinions about Hamas so there are questions obviously Hamas is in control of this scene they're in control of what we're seeing and they're putting forward the pictures that they want to project mostly I suspect the public opinion in the Palestinian arena and the Arab world and to show what they see as a quote unquote achievement the humiliation of Israelis the humiliation of civilians the humiliation of children and the celebration of that right with us now is Mr. Michal Kobi former Shin Bet officer who interrogated the Hamas leader Ichi Sinwar when he was in Israeli jail good evening to you good evening everybody what can you tell us what kind of person are we talking about here look I was interrogated with the Ichi Sinwar on 1989 when I arrested him you know he was at the management at the management of the Hamas in Gaza Strip he was the advisor of Sheikh Ahmad Yasin and he was the officer of the unit called Majd in Arabic it's glory in English yeah who was responsible for killing people that were suspected as working with Israeli intelligence and he told us that he killed from 87 to 89 at least 12 people in Gaza streets in Gaza streets yeah all of them was killing by a knife of the butcher by knife of butcher yeah and the last one was killing when one of his soldier was from the Hamas he asked him to call his brother from the Fata and he told him he suspected him that he is cooperated with Israeli authorities so he brought him and after he brought him he asked him he asked him to get inside he dig you know a hole that he get gave he get inside and they start put a salt until he was dead that was really make me you know in a big trauma even I was the interrogator and the head of the department of interrogators what's his main motivation to do all of this I'll let you know he was a friend of Ahmad Yaseen he was his advisor you know the man who you know whispered to his ears he was born in Hanyunas but when he was a little boy he came to pray at Gaza at Gaza at Ahmad Yaseen masked so he was he became a very good friend of him of Ahmad Yaseen yeah and when he grew up of course Ahmad Yaseen asked him to be his advisor and then he told him that he is the officer of the market his motivation was the convention of the Hamas that Ahmad Yaseen you know asked him to to know the convention by heart yeah the convention said of course to destroy the Israeli state or the Jewish state first and then all the incidents is he very religious is this the main motivation he is really very very religious he had the Jew you know from all his heart you know very deep head he know the Quran almost by heart everything is coming from God from Allah yeah he always talk with his friends about the convention how they have to do the same what it's written in the convention how to work how to fight the Israelis and he was really charismatic he was even smart a little bit I don't think that he's psychopath you know psychopath I don't think so but he has a lot of power from his the people that believe the convention if you have to guess will he agree Sinwar to leave Gaza as a last resort to get out in some sort of a deal to save himself no no I'm sure he wouldn't he wouldn't leave Gaza until he would be dead you know he know that he is going to be dead because he he is sure that Israeli is going are going to fight till the end he wouldn't you know go to Egypt or to other countries he wouldn't make any agreements for going out of the say Gaza Strip he will fight until the last moment that's what I know about him from his character Michakobi thank you very much for that thank you okay thank you too we should also say I hope that all the Kingdom will be back in Israel soon let's up so we should also say that Sinwar speaks fluent Hebrew and he knows the Israeli mentality very well yeah and also a very good fact to know is that he had a brave tumor while he was in Israeli prison and Israel saved him and removed that tumor and it's one of the one of the astonishing facts and you know the prison hoped that that might persuade him to cooperate but it didn't and he said or you're just doing what you have to by UN treaties and international law treaties and that's what we actually are doing and we're seeing how he's treating our hostages right uh with us now is Danny Engel brother of Ronan Engel who was kidnapped to Gaza his wife and two children were released but Ronan is still there right yes Ronan is actually we don't know anything about him because from the that morning that he was kidnapped uh we don't have any real something about him what happened to him nothing do you know if he was together with the rest of the family or separated the whole time no we know for a fact that he went out of the safe room first uh he was armed and when he started to understand that there are Hamas in the kibbutz so we went out to with to fight with them and after an hour or more Karina his wife also got out of the safe room and then she she fought also with Hamas mother that was in the house and she was taken and afterwards they took her the two the two daughters on the positive side how was the reunion with with Karina and the daughters it was very emotional it was you know left left her mixed with crying and just to hold them just to feel them you know it's unbelievable all the emotion that gets out of you after this long long days how how were the daughters doing um I can say that they are doing well they suffered I don't know exactly what to say that they didn't eat much so they lost a lot of weight and but they are smiling they are also crying sometimes but we are around them help them with anything that they need and it will take time but they will come back to themselves they are strong girls now obviously yeah no I just the the big piece that is missing is my brother exactly so obviously you you're waiting for some change in in this deal that will enable men to come back not only children and women I'm not a big expert but in my opinion after that we are see we see that the stopped the fight and they release hostages so keep the keep the keep the this I hope that they will they will keep on with this momentum of daily man yes and keep it and bring everybody back yeah let's let's hope so Danny I thank you very much and I hope for good news for you and everybody thank you thank you so many stories endless stories unbelievable with families like this oh and yeah absolutely right Jacob heart wrenching every single one and the difficulties that these families are of course going through by the way one of your questions to him about expanding categories beyond women and children that's a coming attraction if you will if as the truces are extended simply the reservoir of women and children hostages are thankfully thankfully being exhausted with exception of female soldiers which are seen as a separate category that reservoir is being exhausted and the sides therefore are saying that they're starting to look at wider categories and the next one would be older male civilians so again we may start to see that the more hostages that are released right and as you mentioned five children being released out of the 10 today so it doesn't leave thankfully many children left in the guys the trip of course each one is a life is an entire life and a case and we've talked to the b-bust family of course but we are maybe starting to get to the stage when the sides are by necessity if you will and given the success at bringing back children and women starting at least to look at male civilians right on another issue october the seventh was also a colossal intelligence failure by israel security establishment while a thorough investigation is imminent after the war some partial reports cast an alarming picture i24neo's defense correspondent jonathan reggaev has more the israeli intelligence community seen by many as the best in the world filled with talented people and outstanding resources but as we now learn also filled with plenty of arrogance leaders of of hamas being interviewed three or four days before the attack saying that we are going to attack in a few days the the whole the whole area so i mean where where are the people there where they asleep where they're absent as opposed to the previous thought there was no intelligence regarding the widespread attack of october 7th various reports in israeli media now suggest sources within the intelligence community coming from the esteemed a 200 unit warned about it but were ignored they even heard communication in hamas drills saying we killed the entire kibbutz why were they ignored the reports suggest those warning were not high-ranking officers and those above them ignored the warning saying there's no chance hamas will attack for those who were part of this community the behavior of the high-ranking officers is far from surprising vanity vanity vanity i know all i know better than you who are you a sergeant to tell me that the the hamas is going to attack i am the responsible cynically enough october 7th came 50 years in a day after the previous time israel was surprised in similar circumstances junior officers presented plenty of evidence of an incoming attack just ahead of the umki poor war but those above them refused to listen the people who fought back then gave their advice to the current commanders but were also ignored so we must never think that we know everything and that we are protected from everything we should always be worried and careful 50 years later the lessons were clearly not learned right a colossal failure here shiri this will be investigated thoroughly obviously later but you cannot ignore the fact that it was all across the board yeah and and i think uh two two things that are elements that i especially i've known you know i've i've been there i've seen it in my own eyes so one is the gender issue we've seen uh those who are in charge of looking at the board right but what shiri is saying this is important to explain to viewers all female yeah let me let me just continue um so very all female they they they are on the border they 24 hour shifts to look at what's going on they saw the training the hamas is doing they even saw they claim they saw uh um um you know um um sabotaging the fence uh and they they sent alerts and the and uh supposedly they were ignored they were ignored and and their officers said stop stop bothering me with this i don't want to hear about it anymore i don't know if that's true or not but that's what they're saying and there's a very big protest of them saying not only you we were we were ignored we were butchered and captured and kidnapped and raped and and and and we see other uh professionals from the 8200 that were women as well and they were ignored but i want to say something it's also it's both gender but it's both uh generational thing because we we used to be a more plural army where you listen to the young and you the youngest people on the on the on the meeting can say whatever they want and they were actually being listened to but i think in time as ego evolved and we got cocky and and i seen it a lot and and and this is this is an event that the public sees and hears about it and and unfortunately sees the catastrophe but there were other cases that i won't elaborate that were just that the uh intelligence corps uh made a big mistake strategic mistake but you don't hear about it because the damage wasn't done uh to us but it it did on a strategic uh issue and there's not enough pluralism it's it's it's too much a herd mentality uh where you and you listen to the most senior person and he doesn't really listen to the young people on the table to the women at the table and and i hope i i really hope that changes i'm not optimistic i don't think that's one aspect of it that's one side but these are the people on the border that's too late i mean israeli intelligence uh should have information way before people are on the border but they did but they did according to report again entirely female again i i suspect one of the obvious takeaways here is that unit cannot be entirely female that unit has to be mixed male and female and the officer corps as well so you don't have this gender imbalance that just ripe for abuse obviously have to change the culture at the root of sherry says as well but it's so infuriating they had information as they have said in multiple media reports in israel months ago this wasn't only that night jake if it wasn't it was long ago and it is just unbelievable to think that the massacres of october 7th may well have happened maybe not entirely but largely because of chauvinism and ageism really that seems to be the takeaway from what we've learned that's definitely a point and it was it look it's a it's a intelligence failure but it's also an operative failure there's something happened that we still don't know we know some of it we know that um there was a lack of planning and and and kind of chamas using in the right moment that he saw he was you know he was there night and day to see what's going on on the border and once he saw you know kind of a of a weakness point he took advantage and and there was a strategic deception of you know trying of getting to a deal on the missing soldiers that's the misconception exactly so uh layer after layer after layer failed and and that's how we got you know there always is going to be a because going to hear the word conceptia right it was originally used in 1973 with yom kippur war of course has made a huge comeback the 50 years later there's always going to be a conception of national security right we can't operate you can't set national security policy without it the question is what mechanisms do you have within your system to challenge that conception to challenge that conception with contrary evidence and those mechanisms were there here those women at the watchtowers had that evidence we're bringing it to their supervisors also in the intelligence core as well from what we know they weren't listened to and they weren't listened to because of prejudice organizational culture that's right in the last decade or two uh you know much less democracy democratization of of the meetings and we're it's it's a little bit in connection of the protests we've seen and this is part of what people were alarming about and it's very but still having said all that yes uh after he said all that having said all that in terms of heart intelligence the shabak and the infrastructure of the idea should have provided harder intelligence ahead of such a crazy operation the hard evidence was there yes interpreted that yes and they misinterpreted because they weren't listening to the people bringing it to them and begging for their attention i mean at least listen we haven't had the full commission yet let's be fair we don't have the full set of facts we're both lawyers we know that you have and journalists we wrote journalists we know we need the full set of facts to be able to draw the most intelligent conclusions we have a partial picture but the partial picture is so decisive is so clear that it's hard to imagine that it's that it's at least not very indicative of what the final picture would be again right now i'm putting forward a conception that needs to be challenged through the process i think again i think it's a reasonable working assumption based on what we know now and it's absolutely infuriating that deep human prejudices like chauvinism and ageism could lead to such massively destructive results including on those watch women themselves many of them were killed and many of them are those female soldiers who are now the tunnels of gaza as hostages they are paying the price for the fact that their own warnings were dismissed because of their gender and because of their age i totally