 So we are now officially recording this session and you might note that I have been noting that I'm muting folks microphones as we go and that's just as a courtesy to all the other listeners and so we don't pick up a lot of background noise so only the speaker at any given time will be allowed to talk unless we open for questions. So today's topic is in celebration of International Open Access Week. Happy Open Access Week everybody. And the theme of Open Access Week this year is open in order to and then whatever you want to put behind that and so I got really excited in that idea so we're going to run with it for this webinar to give a sense of what we'll be doing. I'm going to do some brief introductions. We'll talk about what CCCOER is and what we're working on this year and then we'll hear from our two speakers on affordable learning Georgia and OER enabled course shells which are very cool and then we'll talk about kind of staying in the loop. We're going to save all the questions to the end unless we can interact in the chat window and as Una said in both chat and briefly in that speaking she is our tech support for today so Una is going to help monitor the chat window and stay connected with everybody. Okay so first I'm going to give our two presenters a chance to both test their mics again one more time but also introduce themselves so Jeff would you mind just saying hello to Jeff Galant, program manager for affordable learning Georgia. Hello this is Jeff Galant, program manager for affordable learning Georgia. And Barbara Olowski would you mind joining us? Hi everybody Barbara Olowski I'm excited to be here and I also have a lot of my team members here from the project I'll be sharing. Excellent thank you so much. Okay some brief introductory slides here about CCCOER and what we do. Another thing that we're celebrating right now is our 10th anniversary this is the 10th year of CCCOER and our mission it's an ongoing mission is to expand awareness and access of OER to support faculty choice and development and open education and improve student success. And we do that through our community of practice through these webinars through meetups at conferences and through presentations so we do that all over. Okay and we are a community of practice and consortium that is in 25 states. We have eight statewide consortiums and members all over. You can see that we are growing our membership and we're very excited to keep doing that. So if you are attending for the first time today and you would like to know more about membership please see our website at cccoer.org. And so to talk a little bit more about what inspired this week this webinar today it is open access week and there is a connection between open access and OER and sometimes it's tenuous and sometimes it's really strong and I think we need to celebrate and support that. I think one of the things about open access and OER that is really closely tied together is the idea that when we share something it ripples throughout the entire community when we share a resource. It ripples and supports other people's work and supports the adoption of OER and one of the things that open access really stresses and supports heavily is teaching people about their choice around copyrights and openly licensing works. So I think that's where our two movements are very closely tied together and so this webinar is really focusing on two projects that focus on sharing and talking to people about how they share their materials so I'm really excited to have our two speakers today. And I'd like to start just doing a brief introduction and then I'll learn in Georgia he's an advocate for librarians and open education and I just noticed today that he is one of the lead authors or supporters of a new kind of promotional project development tool called OER Mythbusting and it was shared by Spark, an international leader on open access just this morning so thanks Jeff for that and if you'd like to take over the slides I will happily give it up. Okay thank you very much for having me. I'm from the university system of Georgia and if you know the USG then the context of everything I'm going to say makes total sense but you may not and so the USG is not the technical college system that is where they had just recently joined the CCC OER. We are the four-year institutions from the state college level to the research classification level within the state of Georgia. There's 28 different institutions so the biggest mistake people make is saying the University of Georgia system all of these institutions do not belong to UGA they are all under one roof and one state agency and you can see here that we have quite a bit of students a ton of enrollments per semester and if we can get something done within the University system of Georgia it's at a gigantic scale. Oh we are getting some transitions here I'm going to go back there we go. Also a need to know type of thing what Galileo is. Galileo is Georgia library learning online it is our statewide virtual library it's been going for over 20 years and we've been affordable for those 20 years we've been leveraging the idea of a state consortium to let libraries across the state have resources that they usually wouldn't be able to pay for so Galileo is what hosts our initiative affordable learning Georgia but before we existed way back before we existed about 14 years before we existed we were trying to share online course materials back in 2000s when when you know y2k was happening the internet was just coming out of its let's dial into America online phase the USG was looking at creating online core curriculum courses the gen ed courses that everybody has to take throughout the system and they thought if they could get all of this online it would be shareable and it would be a lot more affordable and this became Georgia's online core curriculum known as ecore in 2002 those courses got created took quite a bit of time and immediately we wanted to share those courses across the system to faculty who weren't in ecore teaching an ecore course we thought these resources might be helpful to faculty members who want to use these possibly to replace the textbook but at least for course design reasons and so the USG office of faculty development which deals with all faculty training throughout the state they host the teaching and learning conference each year they host faculty learning consortiums and science of teaching and learning groups they assisted with the process of sharing these courses in 2003 they went even further they thought what if we could take all of these ecore materials and sort of unbundle them from the course itself and share them throughout the USG making this sharing even more efficient so they were breaking down these ecore materials into what we called learning objects and if you are part of the open education and community for a long time learning objects are kind of that that old term for what we now know as OER because we are adding a lot higher degrees of openness to things like that so in 2004 we created a digital repository it was called USG share the idea was to have a server that we hosted that would be a shared server throughout the state and we could support effective teaching through sharing these resources and we could even possibly enable faculty to share them at the same time to share to share their own there was because of this we finally had a single point of access instead of just one institution sharing within one place of course it was a password protected repository so it was a little different from what we would see as OER these days this is what you would see when you went to USG share and if you needed to know yet another username and password that wasn't going to work very well especially when it came to just how easily you would like to share these files and link them out to people but USG share did get used and we started moving toward a type of open education USG share started adding more learning objects from other repositories that were OER working with the CSU and Merlot open textbooks started getting linked there so we started out with this repository and now it was also becoming a referratory it was becoming kind of a statewide Merlot it wasn't getting used enough though and in 2011 the cost of maintaining USG share and the platform were just too high considering how much usage it was getting so that server was decommissioned and USG share ended in 2011 they moved the funding from USG share that was currently existing into creating the first USG open textbook of its own so we're moving at this point from just a platform for sharing to creating new content that could be used by not just the USG but by everyone because of this our attitude toward statewide repositories was a bit soured because of this experience and I feel that many states tended to go through this around 2011 to 2013 the idea that if you build it they will come wasn't panning out you definitely saw that in places like Florida who had their own statewide repository and encountered those same types of issues USG share was one of those so we were trying to find non-repository solutions at this point so in 2011 we started making an open textbook and we were working with the University of North Georgia Press we were developing a process and a workflow kind of a proof of concept of how to make an open textbook within the university system of Georgia through one institution's university press we started in 2011 and it was published two years later in summer 2013 it was a successful effort and therefore it got integrated into what would become affordable learning Georgia and we had a collaborative model sharing work across the state there were faculty authors at different USG institutions the university press was kind of binding it all together we had instructional designers from across the state looking at how this would work and we had project managers because creating an entire open textbook is a lot of work and it was hosted on their site on the University Press of North Georgia site this worked okay but visibility was a bit of an issue for them and the idea of long-term hosting was kind of tough well we had a new focus on textbook costs starting around 2014 and I'm sure if you're part of the CCCOER that you've seen these numbers before these are the 2016 version of the Florida virtual campus numbers our state was looking at things like this and going how can we improve retention how can we improve student success student performance and how can we equalize educational resources in the classroom at least create equity so we started affordable learning Georgia in 2014 and 2015 that fiscal year our idea is to have opt-in programs not telling faculty this is what you're going to teach with and raising awareness of OER the idea being that if they know it they will come by funding their time we are we've reduced the barrier for them to participate time it has been the biggest problem for faculty both within within the national babson survey research group survey and within our own survey of applicants for textbook transformation grants I've got a question that says was that title history in the making and can we get the slides after thank you yes and I believe yes that that is up to the hosts but I am sure that they are going to be sharing these slides and yes that was the title it I can even give you the repository link to that open textbook and I am just grabbing it for you right now and there it is it is our first history textbook in the new repository we wanted to also make sure that we had a community of practice people who were sharing their experiences and letting faculty not have to reinvent the wheel every single time that someone wants to implement OER and that really goes into why we wound up with a repository so for our results I mean they're pretty loud and clear if you want to check out our affordable learning Georgia statistics just go right to our site and click on statistics research and reports I will directly link you to them right here but I won't go into too much detail over numbers because I got to keep going so we had a really good grant program going we were reducing the time or reducing the amount of time faculty needed by paying for a course release but without a repository we realized that even though this was an adoption focused effort faculty were creating resources left to right and we were funding it with state funds these needed to be at least publicly available open access and we really wanted them to be to be open educational resources we wanted them to be licensed so they had to find their own way at first they used for a low content builder OER commons live guides and a few others that you might not think of when you think of OER Kariki for example is usually K-12 but we used it also for higher ed at that point so it was a bit messy and we couldn't require things like creative commons attribution license on things if we weren't giving them the tools in order to do so so we didn't have enough staff to do usg share again so what we did was we looked at different platforms and different vendors we decided on a be press repository we decided on that because it was hosted in the cloud and the vendor is maintaining the platform itself so we weren't having to go into the servers and do some php work the way that you may have to do when you're in dspace I am the only one doing metadata and uploading at the moment we're hoping to improve that workflow at some point and it's limited to ALG funded and created resources due to the scale of this project so there is a level of curation and at least authority in a library term of authorship being that all of these are usg funded resources we're open to expanding this to faculty authors but it would require some additional staff there have been over 60 000 downloads of all of our materials and there are only about 180 materials in the repository and we launched this last october so we are super excited about that and you can see that it's going worldwide too and that's because search optimum search engine optimization is key google's our largest refer google in the philippines is number two the open textbook library thank goodness for them is number three if faculty are submitting materials on their own we're going to need to have an advanced template that goes beyond just the metadata fields that we have we are already repurposing what used to be for journal articles for open textbooks and ancillaries so going beyond that it's going to be pretty careful work and we also learned that titles really matter some of the titles that were put on to some of our open textbooks seem to just grab people's attention on search engines more than others so we're carefully watching the b-press acquisition by el severe that is one thing that we have to do when we're looking ahead on this repository we want to see if we can open up this repository to submissions by all usg instructors while still maintaining a level of authority and consistency and of course increasing the visibility beyond just search engine optimization we hope that in georgia people find this not just through google but also through different university system of georgia sites so that is a little bit about gal leo open learning materials which is our repository i am going to link you to the front page of it right now and i wanted to make sure that i had five minutes for q&a and i have done exactly that so please feel free to ask questions so jeff i have a couple of questions this is quill okay um and my first is actually what kind of advice would you offer for colleges or organizations or court consortium who are looking for ways to make it possible for faculty to share their work based on your history what should we people be thinking about in order to enable faculty to share their work you're saying yes okay well first of all it you have to build the repository with the idea of or at least build this side of your repository with the idea of this is here for open educational resources if they wind up with things talking about volumes and issues or you know we've slightly changed what it is or put it in a parenthesis or something like that it just won't work out you'll get weird types of metadata that really won't map up luckily we from we were able to work with the press on this to get some good doubling core fields that align themselves with these fields that we've got but if you can for example bake creative commons licenses right in so you can select the creative commons license that you want to put on this resource that takes so much of the work um in sending that creative commons license from these faculty members but they usually think oh this is a big long process with legal agreements and things like that well no you select it here we link them out to exactly where that license is like building the repository for that is great i think that that's that's the first step making everything visible in different ways yeah um we've got page wolf saying will you eventually be adding the georgia technical colleges as textbook creators um due to how the university system of georgia funding works within affordable learning georgia we can't be dispersing funds to the technical college system at the moment um but deals that would be far above my pay grade may make that happen in the future i i would hope i i would love to have as many faculty authors in georgia helping to create resources across the state absolutely and did you see jenna first question is what we are seeing on this page the b-press platform oh um if you went to oe r dot gal leo dot usg dot edu um that is ah okay so abab alasky has a solution for page um i wonder and also so the b-press platform yes this is something like what you would see in a b-press digital commons repository we took quite a bit of liberty with uh the browsing fields the search fields just about everything on this page we've changed in except for like where the iframes are and how they're designed so we've heavily customized this for open textbooks ancillaries and our grant reports okay um and how are we doing for other questions for jeff and we can cycle back at the end of the webinar as well oh yeah uh so i will give up remote control there you go it's always fun to get your cursor back okay so um our next producer or next uh let's try that again our next presenter is barbara alasky who was a founding member of cccoer and co-authored one of the first oe r textbooks collaborative statistics uh barbara has been a long time advocate for open education and it's currently serving as a board member for our parent organization the open education consortium uh in her current role as chief afghani make affairs officer for the california community college's online education initiative she is helping to grow uh the use of oe r throughout the state of california uh and today she's going to tell us about one part of the work they've done in that initiative to help us all in our open education adoption efforts okay barbara thank you well thanks everybody i'm so excited to be here i have talking today about oops this thing is going on by itself again i'm sorry that's me actually trying to mute myself oh okay could we go back to my first slide then let's see if i can go back okay so i um you're going to have all these slides but everything that i'm talking about you can get to from ccc online ed.org so just so you you have that i'm going to be talking about a really exciting project that a team of us have been working on for the past few months and in california there are two there are three parts to this project actually the first is getting an oe r website up on the um the online ed site and we just went live with that just last week and i know on this call um i know that logan murray is on this zoom meeting who was really instrumental in doing the brunt of the work and leisle madrana who also assisted with it on this area we have tools and resources that are going out to both state and national pieces of information guidelines and research which goes again to state and national zero textbook cost degrees and a large f a q with also linked to some of the major major repositories that are peer reviewed we i the other part that i want to talk to you about is the online education initiative and we have a online rubric that was developed by faculty across the state of california and in this online rubric it's about effective practices for online teaching there are several of similar types of rubrics that are out there quality matters is a well-known one one from olc and this is the one that the california community colleges faculty adopted if you want to follow on twitter for the ccc oe i there's the twitter handle right there and mine is down below and it's dr bsi my initials thanks the next thing i just like to point out to you who's been working on this project this was a grassroots effort that came to me from cyrus health at west l.a. antonio loz lopez from sacramento city college and bruce center from sac city college and because i i know them and have been working around the state they said hey you know here's something that we really want to do and could we get organized and we had a great meeting and here's the team who's been working on it and i'm very appreciative of all the hard work that everybody has done to make such a terrific project so just to give you a little idea about the online education initiative our idea behind this this initiative was from the legislature and it was really had two parts one is on proving quality to online courses and proving quality for for instruction and for student learning adding academic support student services support and the other part was on building an exchange so that students at one community college could easily take a course at another community college if they needed something to finish their their degree or their certificate they always could but the but before you would have to apply to the other college do your assessment test there do a whole new um a whole new ed plan when really maybe all you really needed was to um to take one or two courses so one of the first things we did was we did a statewide had a statewide committee searching for a common course management system because we felt that if we were going to be providing professional development and support and students taking courses at various colleges it was important to have one course management system that all the students or most of the students would be using as opposed to the four commercial ones mostly that the colleges had and a whole bunch of homegrown systems plus a lot of publisher sort of websites and so on so we chose canvas as a common course management system and at this point 111 of the 114 colleges have switched to it we we did provide an incentive to help the colleges make that decision to switch in that we would pay for canvas for them and they would no longer need to pay for their their current um learning management system and then we built in a lot of support services that you can see and these are support services that some are commercial such as online tutoring or proctoring some are homegrown and some are just coordination that we did well what you want to do for 2018 at least on the academic side and um leading the academic side is really look at how can we do more in accreditation support for colleges with online programs more in data analytics having more of a social presence credit for prior learning and this goes from both military military returning veterans and workforce and open educational resources were always throughout but we really just got the push when um Cyrus and Antonio came to me and said hey can we really get started on this so that moved it into back into 2017 and what else would be really would really um uh be helpful and I see one note in here from Ali the navigation from faculty resources page isn't up it takes you to effective practices well fortunately for us we have Logan Murray in this meeting and so Logan will make that note and I bet by the time that the this afternoon that will be fixed so thanks thanks very much any other uh edits that you see please let us know because we just released the site last week and I'm sure that we have a lot you can get this rubric from the first original URL that I put up but if you want to go directly this is the course design rubric it's designed to help faculty with a self check but it's and it's also designed so that um when the courses are submitted to either their own instruction design support check or the online ed initiative you can see what's what's needing some more assistance so for example one of our challenging areas is in um accessibility a lot of faculty know that accessibility is important but they may not know how to make accessible tables or accessible power points or or other pieces okay so now back to why I was asked to speak here today we got a group together and Cyrus was starting to do this and we decided just to make this hugely massive and often we'll take a simple project and make it so complicated that it it it becomes of more interest to me and has a lot more bells and whistles in it and so what Cyrus was doing was taking some of the open stacks textbooks and making them into or embedding them into a canvas core shell adding in the power points and adding in the test banks and when that was how I started to learn about this um oh yeah I'm really sorry about the background noise I'm going to keep the mic close to me I'm not sure how to mute the background noise and and keep it you hearing me because I actually am at a hotel here and Logan seems to be seems that he's actually fixed what Ollie pointed out so terrific so when Cyrus came to me what we we worked with and I worked with um Helen Graves and Liesl Medrana from the online ed initiative and said how about if we take what Cyrus is starting with and we develop an entire core shell that's actually aligned to the OEI course design rubric and that way any faculty member who's either starting to teach online or maybe doesn't know about online pedagogy or could use some assistance would have this information as as a way to get started and because these are aligned to the rubric already we know that they follow effective pedagogy and accessibility and everything that we're doing is in this is WCAG 2.0 AA compliance so that was one of our main parts so we started with information for faculty and um yes so Oona said we started with the open stacks psychology textbook that's right and I will just tell you we're making the shells for all of the open tech open stacks textbooks we have 10 of them already completed but we started with psychology and that's why that's on the screenshots and and by we I mean I didn't actually do the hard work it was the team that did all the work but I'm using the collective we in this part and we did a page for instructors so faculty could choose and I want to let you know that everything in here is an example or a sample and faculty are able to choose what they want and delete what they want and edit what they want and so we had two different landing pages what I would consider the friendly landing page which is warm and welcoming and then for people who don't want to be warm and welcoming and just want to get their stuff up there's an alternative front page we have instruction instructions for instructors on how to use the sample core shell what if you want to put in your own content resources knowing how long the total total reading time is for each item and and so on and I just received an email from Trenton in San Diego just yesterday saying I was looking for a video on how to use the core shell so now I'm thinking okay up next I suggested to him maybe he would want to make a video and we could include it in our in our core shell so for example here's information for faculty on the textbook and because we're using all OER books we have the information and in here and Nicole Woolley who's a librarian at Sac City and working on the online ed initiative did all of the links to the open stacks with the ISBN and the various ways that you can get the textbook down below we have information for faculty again you can keep it or you can get rid of it so in yellow this this says to faculty link to your own college's DSPS website well many faculty might not have thought of even doing that and by having that they're like oh I can go find that out or link to your college's handbook course catalog or your academic honesty policy which they may not have thought about doing and other things again remember all of this is for is optional so how to record your welcome video well I personally always send out a welcome video and I put it both inside the course shell and I also send it as an email attachment to my students two weeks before the course starts other faculty might not have thought about making a welcome video some faculty do just a just a text information but if you want to record a welcome video or you hadn't even thought about it here's information how to do it and also information about how to caption getting started this is information for students then in here as well and then we have information for students on how to be successful many of these link back to canvas videos and canvas information how to update your canvas profile how to do an introduction and of course we have samples in here on how to do this and then links for student support services and online learning these are areas where we encourage faculty to link back to their campus sites there's also ways that you can link to canvas sites and other information here and now the part that we actually we actually did again by we meaning I did none of this but on this part Cyrus health from West Los Angeles College he took the open stacks textbook which is WCAG 2.0 AA compliant the power points which were many of the power points were actually submitted or started by community members and they weren't produced by open stacks although some of them were produced by open stacks and same with the test banks so now open stacks is going through and making the power points and test banks accessible WCAG 2.0 and as they're being done we're we're incorporated them so for example the psychology power points are accessible and so with Cyrus has included them in from in here their test bank for psychology is accessible and so he has a guide for faculty on how to edit quizzes if you want to use the quizzes what you can do how you can do open edit quizzes and so then as a student would go in again they might be linking outside to the course but they also have it directly embedded in here here's the text for the start of the psychology the the reason that we decided to do this is one it came from a request from a psychology professor at at West LA to Cyrus like could you help me do this it also came from faculty who have sat along the way of course I want to use OER of course I want to save students money of course I like the idea of academic freedom but let's just face it it's too hard to switch over what I'm already doing so much stuff and I don't know what textbooks open textbooks are good and I also don't know how to get started doing all my switches and the commercial publishers have a lot of support content for me that I really want my test banks and power points and so that's how we started with this project everything that we're doing is Creative Commons attributions licensed we've put them into Canvas Commons with um as a cartridge so that anybody can go and import them into your own instance of canvas if you don't have a canvas shell you can go on to canvas.org and or canvas.com I forgot which it is and you can create a free account for it we now have 11 core shells up out of a total of 29 and we're really excited about this I want to just point out the one shell that you see first here and this is a screenshot from Canvas Commons you'll see canvas sample core shell that one does not have an OER text or any text in it and so for example in the psychology sociology and all the other ones not only are the open stacks texts embedded it but we've embedded general course descriptions and for those of you who are from the California Community College system what we did was we embedded the CID course description which is from the California State University system and that's for the CID designated courses for other courses that don't have that for example astronomy we just put in a general course description from a course catalog and for all of these we've said okay you can take this out change it to your own course description and put it in but for the the canvas sample core shell that one's empty that's if you're not teaching with one of the open stacks books maybe you're using another OER text book or maybe even you're using and I'll even say it here a commercial textbook you can still go and use the canvas core shell because this will provide information on making a course that's aligned with the online education initiatives course design rubric so what's next well that actually was the the number that was needed when up until yesterday and then because of the incredible all day work of Nicole Woolley we actually have we actually have now only 18 more to go just to start we're putting them all in Canvas Commons so that anybody can download them and you'll see if you go into them and you import them I ask to give attribution to the California Community College's Chancellor's Office and that's because they are the ones funding the online education initiative grant there is a canvas community that you can have discussions here's what we need and here's where you could help us we started with the open stacks books because they are the furthest along they fit the needs of pretty much the top 50 highest enrolled courses in the California Community College system so we knew that that would provide a lot of resource but what we don't and we knew they were accessible and no no we took the we took the top 50 courses from Cool for Ed and we chose the ones that had a an open stacks book that was included with them which came to be about and were CID designated so yeah maybe that was 25 but then we added the developmental math courses to it what we really need are core shells for career technical Ed courses basic skills ESL and other open textbooks so what I'm hoping is that if you have an initiative like maybe Jeff says oh we have this book this book that we've done if if you are using canvas and you want to share to use the shell it would you're not required to because again we have a Creative Commons Attributions license but it would be delightful if you would like to then upload your course back into canvas comments so that others could find it and if you put a tag of OER more people will be able to find it everything that that we've done we're we have 10 tags on them OER is one of the tags and also CCC and OEI are a tag now what else can you offer um I wanted I've been asked to include this this um disclaimer on all parts that we um when we present and this the disclaimer says that we are not endorsing open stacks as the only provider of open educational resources texts we we're starting with them because we know that they're so far ahead they're widely accepted in California the Cal State University system um accepts the open stacks and the articulation agreements and CSU is actually the second largest user of open stacks so it was a good support for for California however we know that there are plenty of other repositories and open textbooks that are out there the other part was I knew that the open stacks textbooks were accessible WCAG 2.0 AA compliant so I wasn't going to need to spend time running work on that but I'd love to know if others have suggestions um we really want to make this useful for the community we want to make this so that other people will upload their shells um so career technical education for other courses and that it would be a way to to help everybody and let's see is that all I have oh that's it that's mine oh I also want to point out one other thing part of the reason that um I think so many of us involved but just to state it in case people don't have it down there is this is really a social justice issue it's important that students have access to their course content on day one of the course and if this is a way that we can help making sure that students have access on day one regardless of their socioeconomic status regardless of whether they're on financial aid it's it helps to improve the course success and retention and there is a lot of research out there BYU research hub has a lot of information okay I'm going to now give up remote control which is a tough thing for me to do the question from Bruce was can out of state faculty access the canvas open stack shells absolutely we put them into canvas commons with a creative commons attribution license there are many tags that you can use but if you really want to find the the 11 that we have right now I'm going to put the tag I would suggest so do it separately because that would then do ccc for california community colleges which you're going to get so many people's other things and OEI and when you do them you get almost the top 11 popping up as your top 11 with maybe just others so for folks who aren't familiar and that makes it possible to get into canvas commons and see the courses you can actually bring the whole thing into your own course and see what they look like and kind of play around with them a little bit so it's a it's a repository in a way but it's being used of the software that california already has a little to it across the state which is resources rather than um thinking about sharing those skills be on and one of the things that I was particularly interested in for this webinar is your see other open textbooks that are out there because we're at a spot where we've got some really good things a lot you know many that are homegrown some that are mixtures but that are out there and we are not quite sure what to do with them so I didn't know I mean I know OER commons is out there I know open stack cnx I know you know even the open textbook library you know where are some places that people would go to look and now and now this ccc canvas community that are out there without us having to create our own repository which I suppose we could do but people wouldn't know to look for us so I'll also give you one one other option is on the and UNA can put this in UNA letter project and the website as a result of that project is cool for ed.org and it's connected with Merlot and Dr. Hanley who is in charge of Merlot from California State University just added the um tax grant skills commons site could go for open textbooks but you also now have with skills commons that you can upload information there the career courses have been a really hard challenge in my mind for finding repositories it's not as organized with um because they don't go to the four-year schools some of the colleges have it some information bc campus if you go to their site they have their own information on career technical and it's called core courses and not to be confused as I was confused with core for k through 12 core the core courses are their career ones but page if you're using or if you want to use uh canvas and you just input all your information there and upload it again then that would be a place where you could you it could be seen and visible and if you do some of the tags um that we have maybe you even want to use OEI as a tag for the online ed initiative as well as OER people will find it and and that's one thing that has been really been very comments is it's a place where people can go and find information thank you yeah so we had um quite a few different ways of getting things out there when we didn't have our repository and you'll see on on the slide kind of a list of them the biggest uh disadvantage to going out there and finding something else is that they are often if they're free to use restricted in terms of file size limit so merlot content builder is great for that so is OER commons I would suggest OER commons to start out with because it's a very word press like uh content builder and it also contains a lot of uh fields for metadata that would allow people to browse themselves to your work or find it through searching very easily um and yeah uh so other than that cnx was mentioned and it functions in a way that you kind of need to know some xml and the kind of version of it within cnx as xml is extensible and they extended it um but yeah a great starting point I would say is OER commons but if you're finding that file size limits are a big problem that may be the point in which you need to um find a cloud hosting solution or start your own repository I think also I just want to put out there to draw attention to your materials the ccc OER listserv is a great place to just remind people that they're out there sometimes we're not looking for something but when somebody hands it to us we suddenly need it really badly oh yeah and Una mentioned Regina Gong she has been extremely helpful in getting OER programs together at community colleges too okay yeah I'm sorry this is Una I just wanted to mention that Regina is in Michigan so she's been part of that program that Michigan College is online um has been has been um they created about a year ago uh Rhonda Edwards actually runs the program um and Rhonda is a member but um she doesn't have uh she doesn't participate as much in our uh email list but you may know Regina so thank you so we will keep entertaining questions in the chat window but I want to move forward just because I'm being uh aware of our time and timing and I want to make sure that everybody knows we have another webinar coming up on November 15th on equity and diversity and this is a big issue in open education right now discussing what we mean by equity and diversity and what OER really does to support that as a social justice issue so please join us I think it's going to be a great webinar um and it looks um thank you Una for reminding us we will have additional speakers um so those will be announced soon uh keep an eye on our blog and our updates uh and we have some upcoming conferences so CCC OER will be at dream in February um open ed global will be in Delft the Netherlands this year and that's coming up in April so we keep a list of conferences that we know um we're going to or that we hope our members are going to or that we've heard members are going to in hopes that people will try to meet up with each other face to face uh we do that under get involved on our website so um please check that spot and if you know you're going to be at a conference and you think other open people might want to be there or might be there please get in contact with us and let us know um there's um that's a way for us to kind of make sure our members know how to see each other face to face um and of course stay on our community email list if you're not there already and there's a way to join that on our website um our website is kind of your best tool um so now I think where we have like three minutes left if there's any other questions on the topic or questions about CCC OER we would be happy to answer them right now um it looks like our first question oh look it's Luna's already answered but our um November 15th webinar will be at 11 a.m pacific time and two p.m easter time we try to keep our webinars at the same time um just on different days so that we can keep track and get on your regular schedule um and oh that is very good news that oe global just extended their proposal deadline because i'm late with mine are there any other questions or comments for the good of the team i wanted to say one last thing we've been sending out surveys for the um last couple of months after our webinars and we do appreciate hearing from you about other topics I think we heard a couple of topics here right at the end that we might consider for the spring semester so please fill out those surveys if you get a chance and and let us know how the webinar went for you today and what you might like to see in the future and I want to thank all of you for attending these webinars are always really um fun for me so I'm really glad when people come because we can keep doing them I really want to thank both Jeff and Barbara for their time and for getting on board with this somewhat difficult to talk about um presentation because it was kind of technical but not they made it very elegant so thank you um and thanks to all of you and I hope you're having a wonderful day