 So all right, well, I will officially kick things off. So hello, welcome to this is Episode 13 of the Microsoft Community Office hours and burning a candle. Keeping the light going, my friend. All right. This is the latest version of the candles that I make. My daughter and I went to a candle lab over the weekend and made our own candles again. So I keep making a version of this one I call dirty hippie. It has incense and patchouli and another ingredient. This one is bookworm hippie. So patchouli, incense, and old books is the smell. So you know how you take kids to a restaurant that has the 50 flavors of soda that inevitably the age about eight years old, nine years old, they're fascinated with the idea of let's get a little of every single flavor in this. Suicide, yeah. Making the suicide, yeah. Is there a version of that in the candle shop? That is a very good question. No, I don't think. I mean, they've got boatloads of different. The entire wall is. Would you have not be potpourri? They do have potpourri. But that's anti-potpourri. I mean, potpourri is supposed to have like scents that go together and smell good after all. I guess the thing that I liken it to, Sean, is when I was a teenager, so I think I was 15, and my best friend, Stan, and I were down at the Sunrise Mall in Sacramento, and we decided to get into a perfume fight in the Sears. Oh, no. Geez. I tell you that. And I was wearing a jacket. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, geez. The, yeah, that jacket, I couldn't wear it for months, and I just let it all weather, all seasons, just sit outside and just air out. Yeah. I had in a wind tunnel test tube sort of thing, and oh, geez. But I kind of imagine the same thing at the candle shop, but it's like every scent. They don't let you go. That nuts. But the, yeah. What's the fun in that then? What's that? I said, what's the fun in that then? Well, I suppose. You do eventually bring the candle home to burn. So, you know, there is that. Yeah. And I would love to say it's just, you know, it's very cheap to go and do, but it is a non-insignificant amount of money, so. Yeah. Well, gentlemen, I know that, you know, I apologize for the, for nipping in the bud this morning session and a couple of folks that had planned to be there and weren't able to, or you were a little upset that they got, so Eric Riz claims that he was gonna be joining us this morning. But since, you know, we're, here we are on the Office 365 community, the Microsoft Teams community, you know, posting all of our questions that are drawing from that. And it's run by the Cloud 365 team who are running all this week, the GlobalCon 2 event. And so we were live streaming, it overlapped. We went that entire hour. I don't know if anybody didn't catch that. I poked my head in briefly. Is it going well? I think it's going really well. I don't know what the numbers were. It's close to 20,000 registrations. That's fantastic. So I don't know what the numbers look like today, but yeah, we had, I know at the beginning, so we had the keynote. We were on 30 minutes before the keynote and there's three of us, Martin, Ben and I that were, we had taken the keynote recording, chopped it up into pieces and highlighted six or seven portions of that demos and then talked about them. And it kind of overlapped the following session, which was Naomi, Moneypenny and Chris McNulty talking about Project Cortex, which of course was at the end of the TEEPR keynote as well. And so we kind of talked over both of those and overlapped our entire hour. So I was thinking that, hey, I'm gonna have to jump off early and go and do this. And I'm just thinking, we were kind of doing AMAs, there's a live stream, it was on the same site, so we just kind of left it, you know, but... Good deal. Yeah, I was, it was a lot of fun doing that, of course, but it was kind of bummed because I've been enjoying doing these as well. Yeah, I can say that I have to. I'll speak for Hal as well because I'm his personal spokesperson and I know he's been loving them. Ha ha ha. Well, guess this. We're not full of burger. So Sean, you have any questions lined up, anything that thoughts from the past week, any questions that you've come across? I am fresh off a nap on the couch. Okay. And so, yeah, I'm about as prepared as you can be. I know that there are some questions that are out there and I don't know that I'm, I can answer a couple of these and not sure if you're up on your outlook in exchange capabilities, but this is a great question. Sherilyn asked the question, this is the top there on the Office 365 community right now. It says I have full access to a colleague's calendar. Right, so you've given them, and I'm assuming it's not just viewable access to a calendar, but a public things, but to have calendar control. However, my view of their calendar doesn't show all of the meetings. I literally only see like 25% of the meetings, even though they selected for me to have access to do everything. Why is that? What do I need to check? Is it a single? Okay, first question is, is the calendar a single calendar, or does the person have a composite for you? Cause I know I have like four overlapping calendars on my schedule. That would be my first question. And then assuming that they do have access to that. Yeah, that's a good question of whether, whether other views of calendars, that aggregated view, do the views show up or do they not show up? Can my other thought was kind of alongside that. Maybe Neil can answer. Welcome Neil. Give me a moment. Ambush, yeah, you actually look like you're caught in the light there. Yeah, literally was. I just make it up every two, okay. Sean, my other thought, the other half of this is that, still if I go in, I give you access to my calendar. So Neil, this is somebody who's has full access to a peers calendar, but is only seeing about 25% of the events that are on the person's calendar. And they've got, they're supposed to be able to do everything for that person. My first thought was that, well, Sean, if I give you access to everything on my calendar, but if I have a bunch of calendar items that I've put in as like a personal view, where I've made them private, my assumption is that you would then not be able to see those with your access, only me with my login would be able to see those. Yeah, you would see it as a, as a, I guess a default outlook for you will be a blue, a blue block. It'd be a block. I wish I was busy, but it would be I see the item. Which is what I'm assuming she's talking about, not being able to see 75% and maybe to see as a blocked out. Yeah, but also consider this, there's another scenario. Like if I think about my calendar, most of the things on my calendar are not created by me. They're created by somebody else who invites me. And you, you, if just cause they're on my calendar doesn't mean that you have the right to see those things. They should show us like busy or, you know, not free. Yeah. But they won't, you won't necessarily be able to see what those actual items are. Because I haven't invited you, right? I've invited Sean. And now you're looking. So Sean can see it, but you can't. And if you think about it, that's the way I would expect it to behave. I don't know if that's a scenario, the specific scenario, but I would expect that to be a specific potential issue for this person. So the, yeah, so the real question is when they don't, when she's saying they don't show up, what does she actually mean? Do they not show up at all? Does it show up? Does it show free? Is he? Tensive? What, what, what, what are you talking about? Because I feel, I think you came in before I mentioned I raised the potential issue that I have with my wife, which is I, my view, my calendar view is an aggregate of four separate calendars overlaid on top of each other. Yeah, I know. So if I give some, the life of an independent consultant, but if you, if you were, if I were to share my calendar, which is either one of my personal calendars or my LLC's calendar, my wife would see those events, but you wouldn't see any of the other events on the other calendars, even though they're in my view, that aggregate view of the four overlaid calendars. Yeah, see, I don't, I don't overlay calendars at all. I have my calendar, Amy, my significant other has her calendar. And we have another calendar that sits within the Azure Fast Track team that's where we invite people to do like shadowing and sharing for new people, but they're completely separate. And we keep it that way for, I'd say for a good reason because it's very manageable that way. I don't like the idea of merging calendars together. It drives me crazy. Yeah, it does get a little busy, but it has, I found it does work for me and it seems to get me 90% of the way. Right, and it's what works best for you, right? It's all about what works best for the people that are sharing that calendar. And if it works, it works. But I suspect though, based on what you just said, and I know I was late to the conversation, but I think it might well be that somebody has set up a meeting and they've invited, person A creates the meeting, person B is invited to the meeting, person B is now concerned that person C can't see. Well, that's probably because person C wasn't invited. So they can see a block, but they can't necessarily see what the detail is. And I don't know, but that's where I'm... That makes sense to me. And honestly, I think I could see all three of these scenarios causing what they're experiencing. Because I know that if I have a, something that I mark as private and you have access, that's the one that I've tested, I've seen it in practice, you will not be able to go in and see. It's private even from my, my, I believe, even from my admin who has that force. Even if you share your calendar, if you mark something as private, it is absolutely 100% private. It shows as busy or whatever you mark it as, generally busy, but no one can, no one, even your admin, who have shared your calendar with. So Amy and I, we obviously both work at Microsoft and we both, we share calendars a lot. We do a lot of stuff that's like, okay, when can we go for lunch? When can you go and take a walk this afternoon? That kind of thing. And we share our calendars, but she can't see anything that I mark as private other than just shows as a block that says appointment or meeting, whatever it might be. So you're absolutely right. That's exactly how it, how that will operate. So I suspect we're along those lines here. Yep. Agreed. And Hal, we expect you to be eating a burger right now. What are you, what are you doing? Well, I got a meeting to take care of first. No, that's dedication, right? That's dedication. That's right. He just did. Sacrifice. He's a professional. Personal sacrifice. That's right. Got to do what you got to do. Let's see. So somebody asked the question. I mean, this is, it's been answered for everybody, but is there any site where I can see new updates of Office 365 products and services? And first response from, well, Andy says, in the admin center, like see what's happening with your tenant, but actually Brad Shannon says, and here's the link to the Microsoft roadmap. Yeah, the roadmap site would be where to go. roadmap.office.com. Yeah, I say this is a question. It's one of the most common that, you know, we've, we've answered this numerous times. It's like the same question or, you know, where do MVPs, where do we kind of keep up? How do we keep up with everything going on? And the roadmap site, so I follow along all the updates that happen to get in my feed, any of the Microsoft 365 blog updates. And then there are different individuals that have podcasts and do regular updates. I'm a fan of the, the regarding 365 crew. A lot of great content that comes through that. Sean, are you a part of that? No. I'm part of the- It's not my knowledge. I'm part of the loosely tied in the, the ecosystem just outside of the core. The affiliates. Yeah, the affiliates. That's right. Occasionally something I write will show up in there. But yeah, there's a lot of great podcasts and stuff that you can go and follow along. But yeah, the, the regarding 365, if you're not following that podcast, the V-LOG, it's, it's pretty fantastic. And despite the occasionally consort with Alistair Pugin. So. Uh-oh. But despite that. That casts some, that casts certain shade across the whole effort. Alistair is a very entertaining individual. And he is a good guy. Yeah. Overall. Yeah. So Alistair, if you're seeing this. He's a Ruffian. What are we doing, mate? I'm sure he's got two back for you, Neil. Yeah, yeah. I'm sure. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I'm sorry. I know I shouldn't have done that because it would have been recorded, so I apologize, but- There's a family channel. No, we, we, we are very, we're well connected. We're good. Yeah. No, everybody knows Alistair well, has that kind of relationship with Alistair, so. So some, some pretty funny, funny stories and stuff with him and- You might want to clip that bit out though before you post it and we call it a question. I'm sorry. It does. No, I love, I look like that's a death. He's awesome. It's all good. He knows. He, he wouldn't be freaked out by that, so. He wouldn't. I just hope no one else is. Yeah. Meh. Let's see. Hey, Hal, any, any questions or anything pop up in your week that you wanted to cover? Don't involve burgers. They could involve burgers, Sean. I would not, let's, it would be allowed. That, not so much actually. It's, I've been busy doing some other stuff during the week. There was some family stuff that came up and that kind of took a bunch of time. So. Yeah, very sorry to- But most that I got today was attending the, the collab two conference. That was, that was a whole, I enjoyed that. Yep. Well, there's only four more days of that going on. Yeah. I don't even have a link to that. Can someone share it? I don't even have a link to that at all. Oh yeah. Well, I mean, it's by the, it's the same where we host the stuff. In fact, I just, I'll, I'll share this out. Yeah, look at your LinkedIn feed, Neil. It'll be all over the place. I don't go on LinkedIn. So I just- I go on LinkedIn like once a month and just accept people. And that's all I do. So I just added from the, the keynote this morning, I added the picture to the top of that blog post. But in there, it's the first link there is the GlobalCon2 link. Thank you. And I will point out that that's detrimental on me, not on anyone else. I am not paying attention. Nobody can drink from everything. That firehose has got an awful wide gauge. Yeah. Yeah. So there's a, so, oh, do we have, is Rob Foster on? Rob, we don't have- Rob, we don't have- We don't have foot updates. What about his foot? Yeah. No, it's been a long time. So Rob, if you're still watching, you need to provide an update there. Like he needs encouragement. Oh, you're live on Facebook right now? Yeah, yeah, we go. He's on the team's meeting. Okay. Yeah. I owe Rob, I owe Rob him. I need to send him something to the post. I've told him about this. So you know Rob's a guitar fan, right? Like I play guitar, Christian flew looking behind you. You play guitar. Well, I say I play, I dabble. I dabble. I try. I'm a bass guitarist. Yeah. I have an acoustic and I just bought a new, Microsoft actually just paid for my latest guitar. Really? Which is an Ibanez. It's really nice. It's kind of nice. Yeah. They gave us like a morale booster. Go buy something. So they said, here's, we'll pay the first $200. I'm wrong with that. So $200 isn't much, but it's, and I'm not complaining, but at the same time. So I was talking to Rob about two or, let me, two months ago, and I found something that I, Rob is a huge Gibson fan, right? Gibson guitars, Gibson Les Paul. And I found something that I was like, you know what? I can't not buy this for him. There's four posters. They're just A4 size, like, you're okay. No, A4 doesn't mean anything to Americans. Yeah, it does. Of course it does. A4, so let's say it's a little bit bigger. And it's the history of the Gibson guitar. And there's all blue, blue prints of how they developed the guitar and what they do inside the guitar. So I was like, I got to buy this and I want to buy this and I'm going to give it to Rob. Very cool. So if he's still online, he already knows this is coming. So it's not, I'm not revealing anything. He doesn't already know, but it's fricking fabulous. It cost me like 20 bucks. I'm like, what the hell? No, I know this guy's a fabulous Les Paul fan. And this is like the history of the whole guitar. That's a wonderful thought, Neil. That's really cool. Good on you. That's one of you. I can't really watch the, not to get too sidetracked, but I can't really watch, you know, of the kind of maker videos, those types of videos. There's a couple of series that I will watch. Like I've watched several of complete refurbs of classic guitars that were destroyed or modifying, taking cheaper ones and like building customized where they're, you know, they're creating just a completely new veneer and just making these beautiful things and completely tearing it down, taking the neck off, repairing it, straightening it, putting it out, going through the process. You know, add the new, you know, the bars onto it, file everything down, all that entire process. And I'm fascinated by that. I'm not that, you know, I can't play. Like enough to appreciate the work that went into some of those units. But yeah, it's just, it's fascinating to look at, to watch that process. Of course, I'm also, I love those, there's this guy that's, I think he's in British Columbia and he details vehicles, like the filthiest vehicles in the world. That's another one I'm fascinated by. It's part of my ADHD and OCD where the cleaning process, that level of detail of cleaning, I think just really appeals to me. Yeah, I'm OCD off the scale. There's so many things. I sit down in the house. It was kind of funny. So, sorry, I don't know if we have people want to ask questions here. There's a couple of them, it's cute. Go ahead, you know, let's talk to our people first. Yeah, yeah. Well, there's a, so there's a question here. It says, what, what do you guys use for multi-factor authentication for VPN? And then he's got a modifier for that. It is looking for recommendations, but he's, it says GCC high, high tenant. So the government cloud, the high tenant, I'm not, I don't know much about GCC. Microsoft authentication. I would expect that answer. Yeah, Neil. Yeah, I'm sorry. For me, I'm usually on the consuming end, not the implementing end, and I use whatever the customer does. I use a whole host of different ones, but Microsoft Authenticator works great. I'm fond of that. Microsoft works great, OCTA works great. They all work great. They, you know, without, without just blowing, obviously being Microsoft, I'm gonna blow the Microsoft trumpet, but, but we all, you know, there's a, there's a ton of stuff. OCTA, you know, the Microsoft Authenticator, even going down to like custom-based authentication platforms. They, they, you know, what I would say, let's, what are your requirements? Let's not, don't just say what do you use, but what are your requirements? And then we'll, then we'll help you choose the right platform, or we'll help you guide you down the right path for, for you to make the choice. What a good answer. Yeah. I could be a consultant if I want to be. I, so are there any new ones? It depends. Have you worked at all, Neil, with the government cloud? No. So, cause my scenario is obviously I'm a UK citizen. So I've worked, I've worked with the government. I was full of security top secret cleared in the UK, but that was many years ago. Things have moved on a lot since then, and I'm now living in the US, but I don't have any kind of clearance. So no, I can, but I know people, but no people, if that makes sense. I can help. But I think finding someone who, look, okay, look, I'm gonna, I'm gonna name drop. Do we all know Dan Usher, right? Okay, so Dan Usher is very, in my opinion, very versed to the government cloud, very versed with that kind of thing. So he would be a great guy to engage, to talk to. And I don't know, I have no idea, and I'm just being honest, I have no idea on your personal relationships with him. What I'm saying is Dan, for me, he's right in the sweet spot. Yeah. For what you might want for that. And there's a bunch of other people as well. So I just see Dan on the question on Facebook. So Dan will see that, he'll be on that. I'm sure he can follow the flow and be able to answer that question. Yeah. He's a good guy, Teddy Bear. I have drank way too much whiskey with him. And Hal's frozen right now. He's like, movie's eyes are moving. Oh my, there he goes. There he is, he's moving. It's the palsy, Hal. Yeah, single sign-ons are a really interesting thing, especially when you move to government cloud. It becomes like, what can we support? What can't we support? There's a ton of stuff out there that can do it. But the question is what can we use in our cloud? Yeah. And I know from an Azure standpoint, where we're trying to certify everything, but obviously there's certain things we can't certify, right? We have to work, we've got a lot more work to do with a vendor to make that work. And your use of the word interesting and classification as such means a whole nother thing to most people. Yes, absolutely. Yeah, things start to get, I'm gonna use the word interesting again, things start to get interesting. And it's difficult for me, like I say, because I've come from a background in the UK while I was fully top secret cleared in the UK Ministry of Defense. And I come to the US, but I'm a UK citizen. I don't even know my green card yet. And it's like, no, we can't talk to you anymore. We have to stop talking to you. I'm like, oh, okay, fine, that's okay. So, but I know people. So, you know, if anyone does need to have a conversation around that, you know you people. You guys may know people, you guys may be certified yourself, but you know, there's a peer in my team who is, she's a 16 year military vet. She spent eight years in the Air Force, eight years in the Marines. So eight years in the Marines means she's still a Marine. She now works directly 100% facing to me. So if someone needs to have a conversation, I just point them their way, not her way. And she's fricking awesome. I would lie. I'd love to get her on this call as a guest actually, one day, she's phenomenal. Cool, very cool. So I'm looking down through some other questions. We've got a few, another single sign on. I just referred over to Dan as well. So another GCC question that was similar, but I think- You know he's gonna ping me and I was like, Nail, what the? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Potentially. All right, how about that? It's dark here. I'm gonna go turn the light on, be right back. And I'm looking through the teams now Microsoft Teams group to see if there's any other questions. Somebody was asking about says, I cannot record the meeting that I organize. There's no start recording button. They've created a team with multiple channels and they've set the, so they've set up a number of private channels. But when he starts the meeting on all the channels, he couldn't find the record button, couldn't get in there. And there's, I'm looking for a response, but Rachel says, might sound silly, but are you going through the ellipses or expecting a button on the screen? Like, do you see, are you able to see the record through the ellipses? Well, my first question would be, are you actually signed into that tenant and then the right team? Because you can launch into a meeting from pretty much anywhere and your abilities and what you can do, such as chat and other things are gonna be constrained by the tenant that you're signed into, as well as the team you're currently on. What particular mood teams happens to be in a network today? I could be wrong, but I also think, if you create the meeting within the channel, if the channel is configured to not allow recording, then you can, then it's done. Right. Yeah, so that there could be, yeah, exactly. I don't know specifically. I don't know 100% for sure if that's the right answer, but I know there's a number of restrictions. Right, specifically for private channels, is there a setting of allowing or not allowing recording because that could be the case? Okay, I'm doing my research, I'll dig in. Yeah, because that might be, that was my first thought was what policies were set up with the creation of those private channels. It may have been, just you want those to be secure. If you're allowing the recording, where do those default to? Where do those go? Because that could be a quick, non-secure way of losing IP by having your recordings all go in the same bucket. Try that. Channels are non-secure channels. And they just end up in stream, right, by default. Right, correct. Nice. Okay, I think, okay. Yeah, I thought about just open up the admin center, see if there's anything that could be one of those. I'm not sure if it's configured via PowerShell. There's some other controls that are not in the admin center. Let me see if there's any other questions here. Hmm, yeah, if you have anybody that's watching the live stream, we've got a handful of people that are on there. If you have any other questions, you'd like us to try and tackle. Let's see. Mohanad said, there's a lot on the web and there was a lot of support. Let's see. See anything specific to recording? Yeah. It wouldn't surprise me though, if that was like a thing, because if you record the meeting, it ends up in your personal stream. Yep. And therefore it wouldn't surprise me the slightest to see that as being a restriction. I don't know for sure though. And so we've got part of the question, the beginning of a question here. Wasif is asking that he's got a Windows 2016 server security issue. Yeah, it's not, we're covering whether or not we can answer the question, I guess instead of looking at the screen with no camera, I'll look over here. Yeah, we can always try and tackle it. So feel free to type in the details of the problem that you're experiencing and we'll see if we can help. I'm gonna have better luck with a Windows server question than a Teams question. Yeah, I'm a Windows engineer, let's go for it. Yeah, so. Hey, good morning Christian. Christian, I really have to ask you, what is that thing over your shoulder on top of that bookcase behind you? That furry thing? Yeah, what is that? It's Chewbacca. Chewy, man. It's Chewbacca. Oh, okay. No, but now you scared me because I see that thing that's down in the bottom of your bookcase. Yeah, okay. It looks like my dog. Or Neil after a hard night. What? Yeah. What? I've seen you towards the end of some of those nights, Neil. So, wait. You didn't see me this Saturday night. So, my in-laws were staying at Park City this last weekend and they saw something and said, Christian, appreciate these things and how awful they are. It's hilarious, hang on. I love socks. Sit up here. Here we go. A pair of socks. Check out these socks. Oh my gosh. Oh. Ah! Ah! Ah! That's fantastic. Oh wait, there's a little comb too, you know? Oh. Oh, I love Park City. So, my better half, Amy, I think you met her probably only a couple of years ago. She's from Utah. So, Park City's been a popular destination for us over the years. Like, just drive out there, hang out by the salt ski resorts and just chill out. It's been pretty cool. Yeah. My dog's gonna see me. Gonna see my dog. I'm gonna show you my dog. He's down. Can you see him? See the top of your hand? And now I see the baseball field. All right, wait. There he is. He's down there. Wait. See the top of his head in the neck? And then he's dead. Yeah, that's because I've got a background on it. Yeah, that's right. Go on, go on. Be good. See. There we go. All right. Yep. You need some, ah. All right. So I've got a custom background on it, so as soon as he moves out, he'll be like, just does something. Yeah. Whatever. I was gonna say that, you know, so Sue Hanley and family are out here, like twice a year at Park City. And so we went up and spent an afternoon. I've been many times. I do not understand the allure of Park City. I'm sorry if I'm offending anybody, but it's really incredibly boring. And I get skiing and you can ski the other side of the same mountains for half the price and it's still skiing in snow. So I don't understand the allure. Now there's places like just south of Park City, Heber City and Midway, like I would love to live there. It is gorgeous. Well, Heber's where my other half's from. That's a hometown. Yeah, it's, I love it out there. In the summer, the fly fishing, it's just incredible. And of course you've got the reservoir and we're actually gonna go in a couple of weeks here. We've got rented jet skis and gonna be doing a big family outings on the lake, so. Sounds nice. But anyway, yeah. But there's some beautiful parts around here. I love it. I've already been out there twice and the whole, like sitting in the valley watching, like just when you sit down in the valley and you look at the Wasatch Mountains and it's like, is there anywhere more beautiful in the world than this? I just wanna sit and just enjoy it, like with a beer. Yeah. And I'm like, I mean, I'm good. So I've got a few handful of places that I think are more beautiful. I'm partial to New Zealand. I have one of two. And also Iceland, but. I've been to both. I love both. I think, yeah, if I was to choose the most beautiful place in the world I've ever been, it's probably weird. This is gonna sound really weird, but one of the most beautiful places I've ever been in the world is Libya. North Africa, Libya. I was fortunate enough to go there on a Microsoft engagement about 12 years ago. And the people were fabulous. It was before all of the real troubles kicked off. Right? Oh, well, the people were beautiful. Right, the people were amazing. The, okay, lots of desert. There's a lot of desert, but it was still also really, I think sometimes when we look at what we know and what we like, yes, I've been to New Zealand and Christian, you're absolutely right. Christian, New Zealand is so beautiful. Iceland, so beautiful. Helsinki, Alaska, right? I've been to 48 of the, no, 46 of the 50 states. More than most Americans have, and I'm new here. But when I think about little things that just trigger me to be, that was a fabulous experience. That was a fabulous, like, I love that Libya. The people in Libya are just out of this world so accommodating, so happy. Maybe not these days, because of all the stuff that's gone on. But back then, loved it, absolutely loved it. And they make a fabulous hummus and goat meat food. Food, wow, out of this world, amazing. Anyway, I'll show it now. Yeah, no, it's a, I love it. So I'm actually a big fan of the, well, look, I live in high desert, but I would describe to people, I mean, the mountains here are incredible. Well, I've driven between, I was born and raised in Northern California and vacationed as a kid growing up and did the road trips. Before the freeways were finished, we were forced to stop in every town and you know, where we didn't have a CD player, we didn't, back in the late 70s, you'd lose the radio station and slowly go to static and you're like, oh no, it's family singing show tunes or I nap again, kind of options. And when there's a bunch of kids in the back of the station wagon, wonderful. Now my kids are like, yeah, let's go do a road trip for two days, we don't care, because they're looking at their whatever device the entire time, so. And Spotify, like my trip in between Washington state and Salt Lake city, there are only two mountain passes where I lose my connectivity and my Spotify playlist pauses for a few minutes. So inconvenient, those pauses. Well, you can download it, right? So you have an old. Of course, that's the size point. I want the new, the fresh. I don't want that old stale downloaded version. What if music changes? Hashtag first world problems. All right, let's see. I have a question. Yeah, about 20 minutes left. So let's see a little more, not really more information around that. Yeah, Mohana and I would say again, talk with Dan. He's gonna be able to answer your questions there about the MFA questions. Because when you start talking about the specifics around GCC, I mean, I don't know, we don't have anybody that works within the government cloud that's all I can. So ultimately the intent from that perspective is all features that are available in public cloud should ultimately eventually be available in GCC. The question is the timelines a little different. Things like single sign on though and multi factor off, they should have been taken care of a long time. Shouldn't be that hard. So I'd go down that path. Christian, you're right, Dan would be a great resource. No question. It seems that MFA is something we should have taken care of a long time ago. Looking to see any other questions. Yeah, there's actually a question was earlier today. Somebody asked in the teams group, asked, so that's not confusing at all. They've referred something in the teams group on Facebook. Yeah, I know, I know. We made a joke about the naming of products this morning. But upload of files in a chat. If I upload a file within a chat in Teams, it doesn't show under files just in chat. And I can't see any files from others as well. And so the answer back, and I think we can talk a little bit about this, some of the nuances of the difference that the chat capability in Microsoft Teams, if you upload files, any content that's added into Teams, actually goes into your OneDrive. So it's a one on one. If we've got a chat and it's the four of us, then it's going to create a shared file in our OneDrives. The chat history will be in those OneDrives. So that's where everything is stored. It's that personal view. So there is some confusion about it. I actually just shared in the productivity tips for this last month. The fact that, like I didn't realize if you create tabs within a chat. So you can actually go and do everything that you do in a channel in that chat. If we have an ongoing, in fact, we can create a chat for these sessions and all the chat history within that chat would be stored in OneDrive. We can create tabs, we can upload content that are specific to like these events. All that will be stored in OneDrive. So it's a personal view into all of that history. So it's just, it's another level of how you can organize your collaborations within Teams. You can create, so you have tenants that you have access to, you have, whether you're a full member or a guest access, you have teams that are created, channels that are created, and then you have the channel or the chats. So four different levels of organization of chat collaboration or of Teams collaborations. Yeah, and I don't think, obviously working for Microsoft, I wouldn't, I feel perfectly happy critiquing our way we implement things. I don't think that the chat level making it a OneDrive, what's effectively a OneDrive share, right? That's basically what it is. I don't think it's the wrong choice, but I think we don't do a great job of messaging that that's how it works. I think we could be better at that, right? So when someone says, I'm gonna upload a file, okay, cool. By the way, this is where it's gonna be. I think we, it's documented, right? It's all out there on docs.microsoft.com, but I feel sometimes we could do a better job of messaging that. You remember that original diagram that was shared of Microsoft Teams, which essentially it explains how it was architected on top of SharePoint and Exchange. And so, and it kind of breaks that down. That, to that point, Neil, like that should have been included within that diagram. The chat to OneDrive should have been part of that. I think that would have made it really clear. So it's almost like it's this additive. Well, why did that change? You know, it's like- Yeah, well, I don't really think it changed. I think we just didn't communicate it. Right, no, that's my point. People that, if you went and changed that, they think it was a new thing, but that's the way that it's worked. Yeah, but now it looks like a new thing and then you get people jumping on it saying, oh, so yeah, not the best message. And maybe we should talk to someone like, mate, you know what, Christian? This will be awesome. If you could, like, let's see if we could invite, and you might want to do, you might not want to do this, but if we could invite, I guess, speaker from the team's team. Yeah. Hey, if they're interested, I've invited a few from time to time. Like, Karooch, Karooch, Karooch, Karooch, Karooch. Karooch, Karooch, Karooch, Karooch, Karooch. Karooch, Karooch, Karooch, Karooch. Karooch, Karooch, Karooch, Karooch. And Laurie Potmire as well, I've been invited, so. Yeah, it would be cool. And I know, obviously, I think this is like my fourth or maybe 14th time on this call. It would be pretty cool to get someone to come in and do like a 15 minute. Here's why we made the choices we made. Not to throw them under a bus, right? That's absolutely not the wrong, that's absolutely not the objective, but to get the vision. Yeah. Why choices were made the way they were made, and what's next? Yeah. Yeah, kind of the counterpoint to that. In all fairness, I think a lot of people oftentimes have an interest in understanding the details, but they don't particularly stick the details. The details don't stick for those people. And it requires a certain level of baseline knowledge that not a lot of people who are users tend to have about the services and their implementation. No, you're right. But I would say one of the question is, who on this call, who's joining this call, who listens to this call, is a user versus someone who cares about the service, someone who's interested in implementation, who's interested in managing it for their business? That's a good question. I think we're all at a level where we're, don't just give me something, I wanna know how it works. Right. So I think the people that are likely to respond to this are those people. Not the, oh, I'm an end user, all right, save, word, save, PowerPoint, save. Those aren't the people we're talking to. And that's, I'm not trying to be disrespectful for them or to them, they're at the end of the day, they're the people that are using our services, whether it's through Microsoft, whether it's through a partner, whatever it may be. And that's a great thing, don't get me wrong. I think, but if us, you know, we've all been around the block a few times, let's face it, right? We're all 10, 20, 30 years invested in technology. For us, do we really need to know how it works? Well, these days, maybe not. But do we want to? You, I know, and Hal, I'm gonna apologize here because I don't know you that well, but I've learned you a little bit about your last few weeks. Sean and Christian, I know you exceptionally well. I feel that way. I know you, you, you're the people that will say, don't just give me something without helping me know how it works. I really want to know how it works. And I think we have that situation. Right, so when it comes to, when it comes to one drive and it's like, oh, we're gonna share a file in teams. When someone says that to me, I'm like, hang on a minute. What does that really mean? Well, you know, I think there's a split, there's a split level, there's a level of deep technical people that really want to know how it works, even if the cap change it versus end users. And that's not, I'm not being disrespectful to the end users. Well, they should just use it. We're also end users, but we're also, how does it look? I want to know, show me how it works. Yeah. I would be interested in a survey. How does it work one way, one way at a time and a different way the next time? That's another good question. That is also a really good question, Hal. Yes. Have you ever tried to do a survey? Why did you change it? Survey of the watcher base or the user base on the Facebook group? Because I've interacted, I know most of the people I've answered questions for, who I've had secondary conversations after the fact and through email and whatnot. They tend to be right at the, you know, the far left side of that bell curve of distribution. They tend to be people asking very basic questions who do not line up with the demographic that Neil's talking to. And I agree with what Neil's saying that most of the people probably tuning into this podcast are going to be people who are interested, more so in the implementation of the service, just because it makes them better able to give advice and to utilize the service. But there are plenty of people I know I've spoken to who have posted questions purely in the Facebook group alone who don't fit that demographic. Right, they're trying to solve a problem to move forward and get their work done and then go back and not have another question so the next time something breaks or the behavior is not what they expect. Right. Right. So I wonder what that distribution is. That's a great point, Sean. I think, you know, we have to understand. I think for some of us, as, you know, obviously you know me, I'm about as technical as it gets, right? I'm pretty deep into everything in the weeds. I want to understand everything. I want to know everything. But at the end of the day, I'm also an end user. So I want to be sure that the way I use PowerPoint, the way I use Office Apps, the way I use Office 365, the way I use Azure and other services, whether it's Google, whether it's AWS, because I use all those too. Right, I'm going to be honest. I drive my own domain system off AWS. Just because Route 53 is freaking amazing. Just to be clear about that. But I want to say that, you know, from a perspective of a end user, who doesn't need to be deeply technical, sometimes they just need to understand, why did that change? Why is that now behaving this way versus that way? What do you do? And I think giving the end user a little bit more awareness of the roadmap of what's coming down the line, what's happening, what's changing, what's moving. What are we doing? I think that helps that conversation. Well, you know, that's actually, you've kind of struck on what was one of the drivers for doing these AMA style discussions. And certainly we want to help people solve the technical problems, because a lot of these questions, we have seen a number of them, we see them again and again, there's patterns to the way you've done this. And to kind of go backwards and answer the question, Sean, like have I surveyed? Well, you know, of the research I've done in the three and a half years, almost three and a half years that collab talk, when I formed this, I've done about a dozen different research projects. And almost every single one of those has had surveys where we've collected some of this information, which to understand kind of what are the problem areas that people are experiencing. Now it's been granted, most of that research has been more towards geared around topics for the IT Pro and developer than the end user, security, migration, kind of, you know, all those kinds of topics. However, what falls out of them, you usually again, you can see the patterns, you start to see the same questions crop up. You do these kinds of sessions. I was talking with the publisher last week, I said you have ideas for articles of like the other, you've got kind of your finger on the pulse of what's happened in the community. And I said, if you go look at any one of this, here we are on episode 13. You go look at the recordings and what's documented of all of the other 12, you see from those, there's like a dozen questions that are asked in each one of those. And sometimes the same one, I know we've answered it before, but let's answer it again. It's easier for us, you know, and we can point people to that. But I pointed, I said to this publisher, is that you could go read those and it's an outline of questions real people are asking about the technology. And sometimes we have partial answers, sometimes we have non-answers, sometimes we hand things off to Dan Usher. Do we get out of this home address? Do you need me to look that up? Go for it. I love it. But it's, but you're exactly right. And so it's, I mean, I'd love to do another survey. I know, hey, speaking of the Office 365 community, the CLAB 365 guys, they do surveys every once in a while. It's like, what do you want to know about what topics are being covered in? And that's actually, you could actually go in, we could have probably a great discussion. We could pull in Mark and Frazier and Helen and ask them, it's like, hey, what are the topics which are most searched on a site like CLAB 365? And that'll give us a great indicator of where people have questions and have issues. I always look at that kind of stuff through the lens of, as a content creator, as I've worked with ISVs, I'd always look at that kind of data and say, if people keep asking questions about it, either one, our product is not working the way it should, or two, we've not properly documented or disseminated information that we have documented around that. So we're failing one of those areas. We either don't have the right features for what people are doing, or we don't have it properly documented to correct them because we do have the right features and they're not using the product correctly, or they can't find out how to do that with other things. And so I look at this as, it's great to be able to help and share the knowledge. I'm also learning a ton about stuff, and in some ways, it's a great opportunity just as you described, Neil, to kind of dig in deeper to understand behind it because usually it's not just the question that's being asked, it's the ancillary impacts of those questions. If something is failing, then how is the compliance and security around that thing that's failing working? That's the holistic context, yeah. Right, and obviously the focus here is on M365, Collab 365, from my perspective, I've moved into the Azure space now, right? After 20 years, I moved out of the whole SharePoint Office 365 space. But you just can't let go, that's why you're here. But I can't let it go. No, I can't let it go. But I would say from our side, one of the things in the Azure space that I think is also applicable to the O365, M365 space is the most important thing as an engineer in that space is feedback. Tell me what doesn't work. Tell me what doesn't work the way you want it to work. Show me. If it's just a, you know what? I'd rather this button not be at the top right, but at the top left, right? It's like the whole site settings button in SharePoint, right? Remember that old joke, left, right, left, right, left, right? Yeah. It's that type of scenario. Tell us feedback, feedback, feedback, feedback. It's so important and so critical because without feedback, textual or otherwise, but hopefully bless you, Hal. Most of the textual, we need to understand what is it about the products that either, hey, you know what, this just doesn't work or this irritates the hell out of me or I like this, but it's, can you move it somewhere else? Like simple feedback, basic feedback. The feedback, especially where I am now, I think I'm gonna, okay, I'm gonna advertise myself. In the Azure Fast Track team, we are huge on product feedback and the Azure Fast Track team sit directly inside engineering. So I would say to anybody out there who listens to this recording, if you have a scenario inside Azure that doesn't work well for you right now, come talk to me, come talk to me and I'll fix it. Okay, I'm bigging myself up, I'm playing the party game, but from a whole overall, right? Azure Office 365 just understand that the product groups are listening. They're listening more today than they ever have in the past. So just don't be non-vocal, talk. Okay, I'm done, I accept my piece. That's all right, and we're at the top there. I know I appreciate that and it's, I think that also comes up on almost every single call too, where we say kind of a version of the same thing and we say like, you need, you can't just sit there and complain about something not working as expected. You need to share your feedback with Microsoft. Go and log something in user voice, which of course, logging something in user voice, you start by searching to see if there's already something there, if your problem's already been defined, if your request, your requirement, go out there and put it out there. And if it already exists, then vote for it. Make your presence known, upvote. Go in and if it doesn't exist in user voice, add an item to user voice and then share it with the community. Go write a blog post about it, push it out there, push it out through social channels. Tag me. Get people to go and vote it. Tag me. Right, tag people on the phone. Tag me. Yeah. I'll fix it. But that's, because Microsoft. Maybe. If there's five to 10 responses on a user voice, take it, it upvotes on that, then Microsoft will respond. Go and review that. And they'll be able to identify and very fairly quickly. If it's something that's on the roadmap and maybe buried somewhere and you just didn't find it and be able to say, hey, this is something that we're aware of. They may come back and you may not like the answer. They may come back and say, you know, this is something yet we understand this. It's not a scenario that we're planning to support anytime soon or ever. And here's why. Microsoft has gotten much better at responding to that where they've said, when you go through the proper channel, like user voice and then have a discussion and reach out to the product people who basically, it's on their commitments to participate in the community activities and respond almost everybody that owns an aspect of a product or a feature is on the tech community site, writing about it, sharing information there. And so reach out, connect with them directly, the owners of the product or the features that you're struggling with and ask questions there, they will respond. Yeah, and as a Microsoft employee, I will absolutely 100% validate everything Christian just said. We have very in tune with the user voice. I know sometimes he did say, oh, just post it to your voice. Oh, just post it to your voice. It sometimes feels like it's like a catch all, but we are very, I won't lie, we're very, very in tune with that. There's no question from both the Office 365, M365 and Azure perspective. I get email, I get like a 50 emails a day of people posting or plus wanting things and we are very, very in tune with it. I promise you. Yeah. Oh, hey, before we go, t-shirt time. Oh yeah, that's right. How has something to say? T-shirt, no, no, my t-shirt's boring. I'm just all gray. Yeah, wow, nice. And you've got your ignite t-shirt. I can do my tattoo. There you go. Now, now we have to PG-13 this thing, Neil, come on. Geez, there you go. It's a family chair, man. Hey, it's just my Gemini plus a cancer combined, that's okay. There's nothing, there's nothing over the top. Yeah, well, no worries. Well, thank you gentlemen for joining. I'll have to blur screen or black out that last part, but otherwise just, I just don't think that Disney will endorse us otherwise if we're, you know, but anyway, they're buying everybody. I just don't wanna, I don't wanna sour that deal, but yeah, there you go. You got it, you got it where, yeah, there you go. Well, thanks a lot, everybody, thanks for watching. Of course, so I'll have this thing, I'm gonna try and upload this since it's just the one hour, I'm gonna try and get this up and live this evening, because I've got nothing else going on, really, sleep, yeah. Yeah, but yeah, so be able to find the recording, it'll be on YouTube this evening, but I've got, if you go to Buckleyplanet.com, you'll be able to find, so episode 13, I'll post it, and as I do every time, I'll outline all the topics that we cover during this hour with links over to the video. So if you only care about something that happened at the 57 minute mark, you don't have to watch the rest of it to be able to find the content. You can jump right to it, so. And you know he's referencing Neil's little. Nice, I too, yeah, a tire. No, but, so we will be back again next Monday, so we're gonna be at 8 a.m. and 6 p.m. Pacific both times, and Neil, if you're gonna join us next Monday, you're gonna do your, you're gonna talk about your services. I will, you want to do an Azure fast track show? Yeah, that's right, well, at least. I can do 10, 15 minutes. Yeah, so let's put you on at the beginning of that, so come in and join us and we'll queue up other questions for following that, but yeah, come talk about Azure fast track, and we'll see everybody next Monday. Gotcha. Good night, guys. Sounds like it. Thank you. Bye.