 Welcome back to The Breakfast on Plus TV Africa. Our next conversation is going to be on Bishop Matthew Cooke and his statement to the United States Congress where, of course, he spoke with regards to religious freedom here in Nigeria and how both Christians and Muslims have been on the receiving end of the failures of government to address the insecurity crisis in the country. The current government has also responded to it and accused Bishop Cooke of falsehood with intent to discredit the administration. But there are certain details in the address to the US Congress and some of the things that he said that, you know, I think we're pretty interested. We're speaking once again this morning with Mr Chris Wandu, the publisher of CKN News. Good morning. Thanks for joining us and welcome back, sir. Thank you. Good morning. Thank you for having me back. Okay. All right. So quickly, let's get your thoughts on, you know, the address by Bishop Matthew Cooke to the US Congress. Some of the things that he said and how he stated the attack on Christianity in Nigeria, religious freedom, and also did mention that both Christians and Muslims have been on the receiving end, even if he pointed mostly concerning, you know, Reverend Fathers and bishops and the likes that have been attacked and kidnapped and some of them even killed. What are your thoughts with regards to the address in the first place? Thank you, Mr CKN. First and foremost, he's not new in what I've prepared, but Cooke has said, what he said is obvious and this is something that is known to rip in Nigeria and put human rights. So he's talked about reporting that's renewable and that a lot of people have spoke about this comment. Don't forget, as I called Mark, was one of those that spoke about Bishop reporting with this app at this point. But then Mark came out, category card, this one was and it's a Muslim. That is one. Then he also spoke of this attack. I'm going on a note, a Muslim, a Christian, a clergyman, really kidnapped, we talk about how for where kidnapped, some of us stayed, stream released, that one was killed. He also talked about the need for the international agencies to focus their attention on the issue of widows, issue of uphands and the vulnerability within our society. Then he also talked about the government knowing enough in making Nigerian feel at home, whatever they say that. Then talk about his area of concentration, he said he's a clergyman. So when he talks, he talks about his domain and he spoke about the prosecution going on after some Christian and Christian drugs. Don't also focus and because most of them are not Nigerians, I want to remember that from the president and president for the president, I don't know if the president, I don't know if he has, for the president of the United States, raised that issue with the president and the president who I want to remember, pardon me, that he actually raised that issue with a leader. He had also many recently prosecuted Nigeria, I should do something out of it. So I don't see anybody coming up now pretending not to be a candidate for the KUKA, but what I see is something that is already untrue, that to me is very, very common. Okay, Mr. Awande, major things that Revin KUKA said, I want to point out, his statements regarding the person of President Mohammad Buhari and his leadership style as well as his commentary on democracy in Nigeria. Now I hear a quote from Bishop KUKA, he said, General Buhari didn't make Boko Haram happen, but the fact that today the northwest and north central and literally the entire length and breadth of Nigeria have been invaded by bandits, headsmen and killers of people, you know, go on to show that the government seems to be either helpless or almost uninterested in dealing decisively with these people. Do you agree with these comments that the federal government and the presidency is either, you know, uninterested or helpless in dealing with inter-curity? Well, I'm not willing that they're totally against what I'm dealing with. Issue of bandits is being, is bitter with kid blood, by the government, especially the issue of filanning headsmen that are maraudable, we are killing people, taking over people's funds, first of all. And most people believe that the plan which of the President does seem to be making a government that hard to show that most of these issues are empty, though he cannot consider that happening on the same day for December, to be short. But don't forget that most of them are not, there is a need for the President to speak on the issue of this headman. They're not commanding at rightly on this. Don't also look at the issue of Kibnab going, I was also just, not only in the small estates, not, but also result, but presently we just, as of today, in this one, I think it's that the blanket Kibnab, about 100,000 people are fitting now because of those people from baseball in Kaduna are demanding $6 million for those students to be released, those that are now from the privacy in Kaduna. Parents have to rally around $3 million and millions of people in those kids to be released. There's also the invasion of, and the slush food there, that almost a couple of 200 children get away, as in Katoa, it's not just the will, the capacity, and also the bottom wage of the presence is to be able to at least, which let us not, to some extent, say that people are violating a certain country. But the fact is that even the President himself came out, said that in Kacina, where he was from, the people now of that state are crying and need help, that they're also ready to stay here now, which is, believe it or not, the government itself to do this, how do you do this, they're like, okay, look at the last few weeks, so some body, a clergyman, Islamic faith, have been going and doing this, but it's not that where they are, it's so well that we know from the movement, and the international access they're coming out to meet, that means they're all here actually, where these guys, what are we to be able to make sure that this and that, and then they're covering up the possibility, have you seen anybody in court? Have you seen the people in court? That people are talking about. Okay, Mr. Iwanja, I want us to relate this to another statement by Bishop Matthew Kuka. He says on a quote, what is significant about the situation in Nigeria is that we are in a democracy that is very weak, with weak structures, inefficiencies and deficiencies. Do you agree with Bishop Kuka's assessment of democracy in Nigeria? There's a different between democracy and civilian rule. What I mean by that is civilian rule and not democracy. My sister, I remember when I was in school, I'm sure you remember the definition of democracy, when we were taught in my British school, government of the people, the people are bad people. The government we are in, the present government, we are easy for the people, easy for the people. So what we are having, we should be able to see between civilian rule and democracy. We are not practicing democracy as those that fund democracy and those that came up with that thing. That is not democracy. What we are practicing today, what was only done is transit a project to civilian rule. Determines of democracy have no practice, they are not enshrined in our country. They are not enshrined because we are having this, because of this, we have to do with our leaders, maybe achieve their goals, where national asset become more with an element that also remove the independence of independent national commission. The independence to determine how Nigerians do, how that election can be adjusted. We are not asking independent elected commission how to go behind, to wait for LCC and also to wait for national assembly to be able to do their job and become able to ascertain whether an electorate must have been transmitted or not. That is not the definition of independent, that is not the definition of democracy. What we are practicing now is civilian rule and let's not deceive ourselves that have democracy. All right, Chris Wando, thank you very much. Thank you. I was going to throw in the importance of the angle that Bishop Kuka also mentioned, that it is not just Christians that have been persecuted, even if that was a majority of what he said, but he also mentioned that both ends and both religions are majorly on the receiving end of the violence. Chris Wando, thank you very much for your time and for speaking with us again this morning. That is the narrative. What is why I am very annoyed to spend this time by this one of the girls shield. He makes me look like that Kuka was talking about Christianity. That is what I mean. I'm talking about movement. That was just a massive talk in general and also talk about those things and also friends. That is what he was very, if you look at the statement issued by Gerber shield, the tendency and what the narrative was pushing that, he was just talking about and which is wrong. And he was saying that there's been the constitution that where it was issued that there must be a party between Christians and Muslims and by the president, you can do in my team that is somewhat unfortunate. All right. Thank you once again. We wish you a very peaceful and eventful Sala celebrations and public holidays. Looking forward to speaking with you again. Thanks. Hi. All right. This is where we wrap up the conversation and the program this morning. We wish all our viewers happy celebrations, happy Sala. If you missed out on any of these discussions, including with the former CBN government, Professor Chukumar Soludo, you can find it on our YouTube and our social media platforms at Plus TV Africa on Facebook and Instagram and YouTube. And Plus TV Africa as well. And we have a new YouTube channel in case you're not following us on there already. It's at Plus TV Africa lifestyle. Thank you very much for allowing us to be a part of your day. I am Annetta Felix. 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