 Pull my car once, like flat one, stand up. Chris, you're breaking up, but we are alive. We are alive, everybody. We're alive. What a Friday. I think Chris is frozen. Chris is frozen. Chris? Well, I'll just a little introduction as Chris tries to unfreeze. I think Chris is frozen. Oh, I'm getting us to be back for a loop now. Hold on, hold on. Chris? Well, I'll- We lost Chris. Chris is- We lost Chris, but I will- It's frozen in the south of France. He's frozen in the south of France. All right, let me- We're gonna go, it's gonna go in and out from France to there. All right, okay. Here we go. So here we are, the topic today and two great guests. I mean, Chris Holmes all the way in France, former guitarist of WASP and current singer of Queensrack, Todd Latoury. So you have somebody who was in a band that is still continuing and you have somebody who's continuing a band if you catch my drift. Yeah, yeah. Right? So it's pretty cool. It's pretty cool to see that sort of- Original member, not original member. Yes, or you could put it that way. All right, so the question is, where do you draw the line? Band versus brand, which bands can get away with continuing? Which bands can't get away with continuing? And what we're gonna do is we're gonna round the table one time. Alan, I'll start off with you. With me. I'll start off with you. Show us you are a guest first, Joe. Okay, well- Be nice host. Should, okay. Todd Latoury, should bands continue without any or few original members? I hate having been boxed into a black and white, yes or no. I think yes, but there's a lot of caveats to my answer. Um, I don't know if you want me to get into that, or it just- Well, you've got a minute, so I'm gonna do as much as you can. Could it be a 30 minute explanation of it? Here's what I think. I think that, you know, it has different circumstances if someone's passed away. For example, Cliff Burton from Metallica, okay? Metallica is not original because of that circumstance. You have Crimson Glory that I was also in. Midnight passed away, and I sang for Crimson Glory. You have members that just don't wanna do it anymore. They're just burned out from the road, or they, well, for whatever it is, they don't wanna do it anymore. Should the whole band or the brand or the label just die and you just have the past with that original lineup, or do you have other original members that recruit someone new, even if it's one member, or you have all the original guys, or you have only one original member, a lot of that boils down to the audience. And sometimes the songs are bigger than any individual, right? Again, I can champion both sides very well, and I understand both sides, but I do think that there are many circumstances where I think, yes, you can have a band go out without all original members, or maybe a few, and then we can get in later in the conversation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is just, these are your opening statements. This is your opening statement. Okay, Chris, Homes, Allway and Friends, should bands continue without any or a few original members? What is your opening statement, sir? I hope you're not, have you unfrozen. If the fans are gonna pay for it, might as well, let them take the money and do it. They're gonna go see it if they don't like it, they won't. I saw a foreigner about three years ago, wasn't one original member. The songs are so damn effing good that it didn't matter. The songs that they did, foreigner that they wrote were so damn good it didn't matter. And the guys up there playing them, they weren't sampling, but they were good. I know a few of the guys. That's a judgment call, but if the fans pay for it, more power to them. I mean, whether a member dies or not, foreigner, at the end, a bearded cool guy came out and played and I just looked at him. I was like, holy shit, man, I wonder they have these younger guys doing it. Cause she'd get too old to do it, you know? All right, all right. Alan, opening statement, Alan. You got one minute. Alan, where are you, man? Did I lose yours at the Alan? I think Alan can hear it. No, Alan's frozen. He's like the cardboard cut out. Where is he? Here we go. Use my freeze up, man. I'm sorry. What the heck's going on here? Alan, you can't even hear us. What's going on? Everything's gone to hell today. Can you hear us? Well, okay, then I'll throw this out as we wait for Alan to reconnect in Montreal, Canada. You can look at it three classifications here. You have founding members, right? You have classic members and then you have hired guns, right? And it plays all the role into this, right? Right. Can the hired guns take a brand and continue on? And maybe that's the Chris's point on foreigner, right? They're hired guns in a sense. They haven't actually had really not much creativity, creating new foreigner songs. All there really is a tribute band. So Chris, what do you think? I enjoyed it, foreigner, but I love the songs. The songs are so damn good. It doesn't matter, you know? The songs that they wrote were just impeccable. It makes you feel good back in the era. Hired guns are a different situation, you know? If people will pay for it, more power to them, you know? All right, but I mean, shouldn't they be called foreigner tribute? Like, you know, they have bands that go out there, like Pink Floyd, Australia's Pink Floyd. Oh, here comes Alan. No, I don't know what is going on. I'll tell you the difference for me, Jimmy. Yeah. If you are, okay, so for example, you have foreigner, you have foreigner as an organization and a camp, right? And then you have a foreigner tribute band. Now, let's say both versions have no original members. In that context, what's the difference? Well, for me, the difference is when you were brought into the organization by a founding, by an original member, you are part of that organization under that brand with the real backdrop flying. If that, to me, that's kind of the differences, is you say, hey, I was in the band, you know, foreigner had McJones playing and then it became fewer gigs and whatever, to the point where now I guess he just doesn't play with them anymore. But I think when you have an original member or members bringing someone from the outside in within the organization under that structure, you are a band member. And unless, again, if you're a hired gun, but still under the umbrella of that brand, that's to me what separates a band with two bands with no original members and one being a tribute and one not, is look, you were brought in because you can have some members that have joined that have been in the band longer than an original member has. Well, okay, Alan, since you dropped off there and you took off, but maybe you want to... Tell us what you think, Alan, we can give you a chance. I got logged off just after Chris spoke and I agree with Chris that the fans are willing to pay. My one minute summary here is that the fans are willing to pay nobody. If you don't like it, if you're thinking it's a cover band, don't bother showing up. It's your money, you can do what you want with. But if people are showing up, they have the right to keep performing. Where it gets a bit iffy is when there's no band members left. And they're going out under that same band name. Now, is my minute up or I can keep going? Keep going, go ahead. I think a great example of that is when they revived the thin Lizzie that became Black Star Riders. I mean, they realized that the younger generation never even heard of the band thin Lizzie with all their great music that they've done. And they kind of said, hey, this is one way of keeping that music alive and going well. They were able to get a few of the band members in like Scott Gorham and then for a time, Brian Downey and Darren Wharton. But they took that, they took the spirit of Lizzie and they made it something new in Black Star Riders. And then the farther they go along, the less they get into the thin, away from the thin Lizzie sound. So I think that's another way to do it as well. Try to just keep, their main focus is just keeping the music alive. All right, so what about tricking consumers, right? So I go see Wasp, Blackie Lollis comes to town and I see Chris Holmes on a poster, but he's not playing there. Has that ever happened, Chris? Do the promoters put posters? I've had my buddy TJ played in Nitro. He said he goes, Chris, he's in Chicago. He goes, I saw your name on the, right on the billboard out front. He says, I went around backstage at Soundcheck. I walked in and asked where you were. And he says, I got a fist in my face from some roadie and thrown right out. And that's just, they do that to make money, you know? So, you know? Yeah, that's happened. Has that ever happened now, Todd? Have you ever seen a poster with Jeff Tate? Hold on, I'll do you one better. Okay. I'll do you one. I got the trifecta. We've had shows when all the shit was going down. We've had shows where it was not only Jeff on the poster, but it was Krista Garmo. It was the original lineup of Queens Right. And I thought to myself, how careless and sloppy can this promoter be? I mean, it's not even like, ah, we'll squeak one. It was just so out of context and just not with reality, up with the times. So we've had that. The second one is Jeff Tate's had shows with me on the poster and not him. And then we've had shows where, you know, Scott hasn't been playing with us for four years and there's pictures of Scott. For me, it's very careless. I'm sure that they'll play dumb, but I agree with Chris. There is the optics of what Chris provides on that poster and the people that know WASP, they remember those old days and it taps into their psyche, in my opinion, and it probably helps to sell tickets. But I think that when you get into trickery, that's fucked up because I think that there is some malice behind the scenes going on. Then there are just dumbasses that just don't care about their job, that just find any banned picture on Google and make an ad mat out of it. I think you have all of those scenarios happening. Yeah, it's crazy stuff, man. That's curry. That's trickery. That's sort of like taking it to another level. Yeah, right? That's not, and I'm sure WASP has done that, Chris. I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of Chris old pictures. I'm sure every band in that situation, that happens too. Yeah. They also, I heard of somebody tell me in Leon that after the show, the promoter, they paid the band up front, half up front, I think right before the show black, you want to get paid and promoter wouldn't pay him and said that they're going to break his legs if he didn't play, blah, blah, blah, he played. And then after the promoter went, you're not, you're sampling. You're not doing it. And if you read the contract, it's supposed to be a real show and they didn't pay him. So they sampled your guitar. Is that what you're saying? No, the vocals. Oh, the vocals, the vocals. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The backgrounds and stuff, you know, and all the sampling stuff. So that's, I don't know, it's, you know, it's tricky. And this is a band that me and Alan sort of like had a lot of interviews with, Quiet Riot, right Alan? I mean, you know, first of all, Randy Rhodes version is not even, that was the original version, right? And then they come out with Metal Health, which is the four, you know, Frankie, God rest his soul, Frankie, you know. And now there's Frankie died and Chris, you know Frankie and Todd, you know Frankie and me and Alan have been talking to Frankie. He's gone now and the band is still going on. But if it was Frankie's, what if it was Frankie's blessing to say- How does that change anything? Well, hold on. That's what Riot did, right? They got the blessing, right? If, well, let me ask you this, if he didn't die and he just says, I'm retiring, my body can't play drums like this anymore. I am, I want to pass the torch. Keep the spirit of Quiet Riot alive and well. And the guys that are on the stage or the same guys that are on the stage that toured with Frankie Benali with me in the band, the whole thing. But if he says, I just physically can't do it anymore. Do you let Quiet Riot die because somebody can't do that? So again, I think we have to be mindful and sensitive. Some people, some people could say in just the spirit of what Frankie Benali wanted, we want to do this for him. And the music, not that they're claiming they are Quiet Riot, but look, we were in the band with a founding member. He was sick before he passed. No, no, he's not a founding member. He was a classic member. There's a difference, right? He was a classic. I didn't know that. So founding member would be Randy Rhodes, Kevin Dubrow, right? And Chris. He was part of the original line. Who knows, Kevin, right? He was Frankie when the band got became popular on the third album. He was part of the classic, right? Was he the original drummer? No, no, Drew Forsythe and Chris are frozen now. Now we've got Chris freezing here. Am I unfrozen? Yeah. Chris, you knew Kevin Dubrow, you knew Randy, and you knew that. I knew Kevin Well. Yeah, you knew Kevin Well. He was the, I mean, without Kevin, there's no quiet. What if, how? It'd be like Watts going out without Blackie. That's just ain't going to happen because you can't have that voice. Quiet right at the end of the corner. Sure, he know, didn't work, didn't work. You know, that's like, hey, Ozzy, if Ozzy wasn't, if somebody went out and tried to do Ozzy Osbourne without Ozzy Osbourne, it ain't going to work. You know? How about? It ain't going to work. But what about Black Sabbath? Black Sabbath is built around IOMI's guitar. Most of that music is. You know, I would like to have this without any kind of yeah, we're black side without Tony. I owe me right. Black side with it. Would it work? Like let's say I don't know. Uh name me a guitarist wants to work. Okay. White snake. White snake without uh David Carverdale. No, what about white snake without David Carverdale? I don't see that happen. That's a quiet ride right there. That's a touch. See what I'm saying? They're case by case. Well, okay. Well, what defines that case? The fucking market. Yeah. Yeah. It's no but what what okay. So, my son went to see kiss. Alan knows his story. My son went to see kiss recently. The last tour whatever it was. He didn't know who Ace really was. He didn't know Peter Chris was. He just knew that there was a spaceman and a cat. Right. That's all he really cared about. He had a great time and he had a great time like you with foreigner. He had a great time and I'm telling you, well, I'm not going. I told him I'm not going. If Ace is not there, I'm not going. Like I'm a purist. But if you take the purist mentality, you're gonna be stuck with like four bands. Not everybody's the Beatles. No, but if you go down the line and you think original members rush dude, not even not even not even okay, but I'm saying but I'm saying you if you take like, you know, anthrax, nope, Megadeth, nope, Metallica, nope, Iron Maiden, AC DC, dude, there's just a million bands where if you said no original or not all the original if you're a purist, not all the original members. Well, okay, I'm a quasi purist. I'm a quasi purist. I mean, I'm a quasi purist. There's got to me the music at the end of the day. Like I look at Queenswright and I follow the band because there's the spirit of the music continues and it evolves and it morphs. So that's why and I think that's what it comes down to. I listen to choir right music. I don't know. There's nothing there. There's nothing of substance. I want to just go back to what Todd said too. It's the connection with the audience, okay? Van Halen 5150 tour, Sammy Hager's first tour of the band. They wanted somebody to open to get the crowd going. James Brown said no, they went and got BTO, Bachman Turner overdrive. So they called themselves BTO. Fred Turner, great vocalist, couldn't make it. This wasn't part of the schedule. So the promoter says who sang, you know, you ain't seen nothing yet. Randy Backman says I did. Who's saying hey you? Randy Backman says I did. So who says taking care of business? I did. Okay, what's the problem? Because that's what the fans are going to relate to those three or four biggest hits and he happened to sing them. So they're like this is good enough for us guys. And they went out and they got an extension on that tour. Van Halen was very happy with the job they were doing. And if you're a purist, Jim, I mean there was Randy Backman, I think his brother played the rhythm guitar and there was the drummer from the Guess Who. So there was one guy, one guy was part of the band, you know what I mean? I got a question for you when you're done. I'm done. And that's how you do it. No, I'm kidding. Here's a question for you. So you take a band like Aerosmith, all right? If Steven Tyler said I don't want I whatever reason he leaves and Aerosmith, the band wants to continue and they get another singer. Whether or not the fans would embrace it, Jimmy, being the quasi purist, do you have an issue with? Yeah, I do. I do. I do. So I have an issue with Wasp. I have an issue with Wasp that Chris is not the guitarist anymore. Hold on. What if Steven Tyler had vocal damage and couldn't sing anymore? Hang it up. And he said, hold on. And he says, I got a guy that I personally want to do the gig. I don't think that's enough. So even the original guy's endorsement, do a physical impairment, isn't enough for you. No. What about if he dies? Chris, Chris, in your opinion. Yeah, what about if he died? Well, look, Rush is the perfect example. Rush is like it should not continue. So you would have stopped listening in 1980, Jimmy, is what you're saying. The ACDs. No, I'm saying Rush. No, no, that's what you're saying. Or Iron Maiden. Iron Maiden would say when it came to no prayer, I'm a wazzy purist. For example, I think Chris and Blackie are integral parts of Wasp. Now it's just a solo project. Chris, there's something about Blackie and Chris that makes Wasp. And once you take that away. Listen, the last shows I did with them, one of the last shows I did with them was we had a brand new engineer. I think it was the one before the sting. We had brought a new engineer and I'm sitting on stage waiting chat, blah, blah, blah. And the guy goes, Blackie, I need to hear your voice by itself. Right. And and my body with his voice. And then I took the roadie back. That just sounds back like it's hard. I think you broke up, Chris. You're breaking up. Did I block? Locked up, huh? I'm locking up. This internet shit. This is 2020-21 and it's still bullshit the internet. What are we getting at? Okay, so you were one of the last shows you were doing. You were on stage. You had a new engineer. He locked up and we were going. Yeah, we're going. We're going, my friend. We're going. Yeah. And I heard Blackie go up to the mic and scream his voice. Ah, and I turned around in the road and went, fuck, it sounds just like my guitar. So his, you know, his voice matched with my guitar. It was good, you know. I think it'd be a better punchline if you didn't, if you weren't breaking out. No, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Stephen Hawking. You take Michael, you take, you take Shanker out of UFO and it ain't UFO anymore. I agree with that. I don't care who they bring in, how good the guy is. It's just a UFO. The melodies aren't there. The melody is whatever Shanker does to it. It's just ain't there. So Jimmy. So just for conversational sake, if Chris and Blackie played together again under the banner Wasp, is that considered Wasp to you? Yes. It is. I guess if the members are integral parts of the song writing and they could create that vibe or music, then yes, it works. Right. I think Wasp is, I do like the new Wasp stuff, but there was a lot of bad albums without Chris. There was a lot of bad albums. And the last two were okay, but I think that is, it's missing. It's missing that. Jims, Wasp is going to sell more albums than any, than just some Blackie Lawless, right? We know Wasp is a brand, right? That's why they keep the names. And Motorhead was Lemmy. Wasp is Blackie these days. You know, that's why Tony Iommi did a Black Sabbath album, Seventh Star. That was a solo album, but they had to call it Black Sabbath, right? Because it would sell more than Tony Iommi. Now Todd, now Todd, if Motorhead went out without Lemmy, is it Motorhead? No. In my opinion, no. No. Well, that's my Stephen Tyler example, right? That's why I'm saying it's a case by case basis. There's some things like, you know, could you say Motley Crue is Motley Crue without Tommy Lee? He was a big face in that band. But when you've got those guys up front, they did have a drummer, different, Randy Castile played with them for a while. Yeah, right. And but if you take the drummer out of the mix with Rush, he was such an integral but he was a lyricist and he did more than just play. I mean, even though he's amazing, but again, it's that case by case basis. And I think, like, look, in my position, you know, I'm not Jeff Tate. I don't want to be him. I'm never going to be the original guy. When people see the band, I mean, I've had people get into an elevator and be like, Oh, my God, I just I just saw you on stage and I'm and they said, wow, I saw you guys in 1988 and your voice still sounds the same. And I looked at the lady and I went, I looked at the lady and I went, you know, in 88, I don't know if my left nut dropped, but I said, you know, you know, Blaze Bailey Blaze Bailey told us that when you play Brazil back when he was in the band of Iron Maiden, they a lot of people thought he was Bruce Dickinson. Oh, come on. I'm telling you because, you know, it's a big stadium. They got a lot of SD in that country then, man. Well, you know, there's it's a large stadium, you know, the band's far away that you kind of had the same hair doing a look. But Jimmy, I think your attitude's a little selfish and I'll explain why. You know, when we talk Iron Maiden, we'll probably talk about the Paul DeAnna of Bruce Dickinson's years, but our children, they know Blaze's era first. So for us to sit back and say, Oh, that doesn't count. That's not really made. And that's not really their initial man. Well, for some people, it is. Just like you were saying for Todd, going back to Todd's point, you know, it sounded the same in 88. It wasn't him, but that's how this lady, you know, or Queens right now, that's a lot of fans are being exposed to crazy with Todd Todd's era versus Jeff's era. Dave Evans, the original singer of AC DC, is he, you know, is he, is he considered who he sang on three songs? Maybe if anything, before Bon Scott? I mean, is he considered a founding member? No, he didn't. He wasn't there when they made it. Nobody, you know, Yeah, it's like when you're in the band before the band has made a legit record, it's like, yeah, you were part of those formative times before the band ever took off or did anything substantial, you know, because then you could just say, Oh, I played with those guys, you know, I played with those guys. I was a bass player when people, they were floating through different musicians before they like really had their shit together. But the point about what I was saying is, you know, I'm not an original guy. I would never claim you know, I'm not part of those legendary albums that people love. However, I do sing those songs every night, and we create new records. We don't just rest on the laurels of the past. So in my situation, again, and I mentioned this to this to you before, at some point, like I'm in the band nine years of going on record number four. At some point, I will have been in the band longer than DeGarmo was. I will be, you know, so my point is Bruce Dickinson has been an Iron Maiden longer than Paul Diano. And they're at some point. But then again, there are those, there are those, those profound records in a short period of time that were so impacting to that band and music that that original guy who might have only been there for two records is like who everyone hails as like, you know, there's, there's no right or wrong here. Exactly. Why, you know, you know, again, going back to, to being recruited into, let's say that Chris. Now you froze. Now you froze. Geez, everybody's freezing. There we go. I'm froze. Not anymore. You're good. I'm frozen. You're good. Okay. So, so, so let's say, I mean, can you say that Blackie and Wasp, like Wasp couldn't go on without Blackie, even if all the original members were together, but Blackie wasn't around. I'll take it one further. I know this is to Chris. Could Chris go on as Wasp? Let's say Blackie, you know, he wants to call it quits, his voice or whatever. Can you go on as Wasp? Do you think it'd be legit? If I could find somebody that sang like, you know, it was close to what he sang like. I think so. Would the fans accept it? Again, would the fans accept Chris Holmes as Wasp? I think there are a lot that would, especially if you had a singer that sounded like that in that spirit, because those fans that love Chris want to see that backdrop behind him. And I hate to tell you this, but a lot of the Wasp songs, a lot of the songs were written around the crappy way I play. The horrible way that I play, they're written around that way. You know, it's just, that's the way it is. Well, look, answering your question, Jimmy, I think that if Blackie called it quits, and we're not going to get into legalities or who owns the name because I don't give a shit and I don't want to go there, but if Chris could fly the Wasp banner behind him, if Blackie retired or something bad happened and he couldn't do it anymore for whatever reason, and he wanted to, and it's either that or... Wait a second. Okay, how about this? Steve Riley now wants to go out as Wasp. That'd be stupid. Again, see, that's those things where the guys in the front, those are the face, those are the drummers in the back, nothing against drummers, I'm a drummer. Okay, Randy Piper's Wasp. He had Randy Piper's animal. But what about Randy Piper's Wasp? He goes out as Wasp. I'm Wasp. He somehow requires the name and he goes out as Wasp. I hate to tell you, but if Randy did, they'd throw him out of the band in the first week, they'd throw him out. That's what happened with Angel, where Angel suffered that band. You know, if that was where WAS, where Angel suffered P, that's what the idea they had was, it was Wasp with the P broken off. Yeah, yeah, that's where WAS, where Angel suffered. That was the logo and the P was broken off the ground. That was Randy's band. I was the last one to join it, but they threw him out. Sorry, I'll cut you off. I've got a more interesting question, I think. Let's say Michael Wilton, God bless him, that he just doesn't want to do it anymore. And Todd says, hey, man, I did four albums. I haven't been a band in nine years. We know that Scott, like you had mentioned, Scott hasn't played drums in four years. And Todd carries on. And now, you know, with the lineup now, with Casey. That's a good, that's a good question. I think that's, for me, that's a much more interesting question and a little bit where we should be going, well, where this topic's about. So it's a good question because, yeah, look, if in 10 years, okay, I will have been in the band almost 20 years at that point. Okay. Countless records that I've been, you know, up front and of the face, the singer of the band alongside of those guys for 20 years. And then those guys are now fucking 69, 70 years old. Okay. Because they're 59, 60. Yeah, father talking. And they say, dude, I just can't do this anymore. I'm like, I'm not doing this anymore. And they say, but you've been the singer of Queens, right? For 20 years, you are the face that people have seen for two decades, along with Parker, who's been in at that point, 26 years, let's say, or whatever it is. And we were brought in as original members. We were part of the creative process. We're part of this business decisions. And those guys said, we don't want to do it. But you, we are letting you go out as Queens, right? That's a fucking hard one, dude. Yeah, I know. That's why I'm asking. I'm going to look and say it's again, it's that foreigner situation. But in my opinion, you play Queen of the Reich, Eyes of a Stranger. I don't believe in love, blah, blah, blah. We fly that banner. Look, the band has gone through Krista Garmo leaving, Jeff Tate leaving, the singer, iconic original singer of Queens, right? Gone. And you know what? Every, and Scott hasn't played with us for four years. Every night we go out and we play, it's about the songs. And that goes back to what Chris said with Forner. Those people here. Let me tell you something about Forner. Me and my wife, my wife and I went to see Forner like Chris saw Forner. And actually, Alan, we were there too. I was there. I was there. My wife was there and our friends were there. Everybody was standing up, singing the songs. And I bet you if you surveyed half the people there, they wouldn't even, couldn't even name you who's in the band. Listen, my wife loves Wasp. My wife listens to the old stuff and I'll, you know, I'll come in and she will loop Wasp for literally out. And to the point where I go, can you just- Because she's great. That's why. Just play another record. You're still married to her? You know. And she loves Wasp. And if I said, name the members or any members of Wasp, she might go Blackie. I think Blackie. Blackie Holmes. That's it. She doesn't know. She doesn't know. It's the guy in the pool. I think that's what they're going to say. Jesus Christ. He's never going to escape that. No, he's not. But you know, I just brought it up because like Litter Skinner and their documentary, there was critics that are crashing them because, you know, they've got one member left in the band. Who? Rosington, I think. Yeah, yeah, Rosington, yeah. I saw him two years ago. And people were loving them, selling out everywhere, right? There was even somebody in the crowd flying a confederate flag in the crowd. I was like, whoa, man, you can't do that in America. But again, that goes back to Jimmy. Now you got one guy, you know, and it could be Eddie Jackson and Green's right. I haven't forgotten something happens to Todd. You know, we just got Eddie going out into the crowd. Got a member, Litter Skinner. It's classic because it's the guy's brother that's singing. That's right. You know what, Chris? That's a good, you know what? People let it slide. People let it slide. Because you're family. Family. Jason Bonham of Led Zeppelin. They go, you know, we'll let Led Zeppelin go on with Jason. Yes. And Julian Lennon with the Beatles. Everybody was talking back then when Julian was in the 80s sort of making it big. They go, well, why don't you join with Paul and everybody else? That would have been acceptable. Family is acceptable. That's a great point. Yeah. And when you're pulling in, okay, for example, there was, we did a tour with the Scorpions. Another tour with them. It was like the second tour that we did with them. And Parker couldn't go on the road for that run. And we called Mike Stone. And Mike Stone. He was part of the Queens Rite camp and played guitar with Queens Rite for many years. And we're like, okay, you know, there's no problem with Parker. Like there's no tension. He just has personal things he needs to take care of and he can't go out. We pulled in Mike Stone. Everyone was like, oh, it's Stoney. Holy shit, cool. Yeah. And but we can't wait to see Parker again. But this is cool too because we like Mike. Okay, great. No big, so yeah, when you have that family connection or part of that camp from, you know, from way back when. Then people sign off on that. They tend to sign off on that a lot easier. They do. What about, what about Kiss? What about Kiss? I'm fine with the lineup. They're, no, no, what they're talking now is like, they're kind of throwing it out there. You know, Gene and Paul might not be there forever. What if Kiss goes on the road and there's no Paul and there's no Gene? There's just the spaceman, the cat and the dragon or whatever he is and the star man. What if they go out without zero original members? They're just guys. They're just putting in makeup. Is that acceptable? I wouldn't see him. I wouldn't go see him. I wouldn't. Alan, would you go see them? I didn't go see them when they were original format. But since you brought it up, I will read you because Paul. A passage. It's so funny. I just literally read this the other night. And now deep thoughts. Yeah, it's with Alan Dixon. I'm Paul Stowley. I love the idea that the Eagles now is being led by a son of one of the founders and a founder and a bunch of other guys. Take the band. Yes, there's not an original member and yes, but do I consider them a cover band? No, because a band that exists over decades evolves through personnel changes and health crisis. So are they considered this to be yes? Absolutely. It didn't change overnight. Members have come and gone. The Eagles are the same way. Timothy Smith is great, but he certainly wasn't an original man and nor was Joe Walsh. So again, he's setting this up for when, like you said, Jim, when there's only four unknown people dressed up as the original characters of Kiss, right? And that's so easy because it's never a problem because again, people will pay if they want to see it. And if they don't, they won't go. And then time will tell if it's just. But people, but what about the consumer now? Like, shouldn't there be like, this is Kiss and then like maybe like in small print without any original members? You need to read the small print. Isn't there, there's a legal thing happening here, right? You got posters with Chris still on them in Chicago. You got posters. Jeff Day Show with Todd. Hey, I always tell people, I saw Kiss in 75 and still to this day, if they was the best concert I've ever seen, I can't stand the guys. I saw, I saw them one, I saw them one time when they reintroduced the makeup in the 90s, that first go around when they redid that. Anyway, here, here's, here's something else too, guys. This goes back to my point of if someone was brought in by Gene or, you know, so you've got Thayer, Thayer, what's his first name? Tommy Thayer. Tommy, so he's brought in by the original guys. They played on the same stage together. They were part of Kiss. If, if Gene and Paul retire and assemble a group of guys that never were part of the band with those guys, that, to me, that's not Kiss anymore. That's, that's, that's, that's not Kiss. Now, if you had, you got Tommy, look, they're Kiss. And here's another thing. Here's another thing. They are playing also characters with the outfits and the makeup and whatnot. And I'm not giving that a hall pass, but there is another little variable to me that comes into play. For example, you got guys in slipknot that wear full costumes that play kegs. You know, if you replace that guy, do you even know it? If you replace the blue man group member, does anybody know it? The blue man group. No, but I'm saying that I'm saying there is a small piece of, hey, they are playing this, this role with the outfit. You know what, Todd, Todd, there are exceptions in my world, but I always feel kind of ripped off. I know. I come from this world where I want to see a, a band of brothers or sisters. I know. Do what they can. And of course things are going to happen. There might be some lineup changes here and there. And I want to see what they can do. I know. Keep replacing people. It happens more in classic rock than it happens in heavy metal. If I can add to that, Jim, you know, back in the late 80s, you know, you got now, now Adrian's out of the band environment. Oh, geez, not him too. You know, and, and then, you know, you could say Chris the Garmo left Queens right. You know, it's just a, there was a period there where people were just, just you were replacing members left, right and center. And I got sick of that quite honestly. And I'm like, no, I'm not buying that record anymore. I'm, you know, because it just seemed at the late 80s, it seemed to hit, you know, like the white snake too. And they were always exchanging members, but you know, they come out with the biggest album as ever and John Sykes leaves. So you're like, you know, plus everybody else in the band. So, you know, that's a good point. You know, it's interesting because in the 70s, if somebody left the band, it was a big deal. It was even in the 80s. It was like, you know, Brian Johnson coming in to replace Bond. It was like, what's he going to do? What's he going to do? It was a big thing changing one member. Parfor and horse. Yeah, exactly. Now it's changing your socks. Yeah. Well, and it's big business. And at some point, you know, maybe there should just be some, some reservation and integrity. I don't know if humility is the right word, but integrity moral restraint to just say, you know what? We're a whole other group of guys that, that were never in the band kiss with Paul, with Jean. We were an assembled group going out under this banner. To me, that's not kiss. That's bullshit. That's just fucking business. And now you're talking about two different things. You're talking about, you know, the personal connection, which gets split off, because sometimes it's all about the songs and the music. And other times you say, yeah, but it's that person too, that has that charisma, that has that certain stage presence, that has that articulation of how they play the guitar a certain way that makes them special in that way. You know, I always admire Led Zeppelin, Todd. That's called rock and roll vibe. That's true. Right. That's called rock and roll vibe. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, you were saying, Jimmy, go ahead. I always admired Led Zeppelin. You know, there was some sort of moral integrity. You know, the drummer dies and they go, that's it. And you know, with the exception of that one or two shows that they did, they said, that's it. We're not going on without our brother. Can I throw in a variable here? Sure. They were fucking on top of the world, dude. And I'm sure that they're set pretty well. Everybody else has to get out there and work and when a big factor of that guarantee lies in the brand, believe me, they're not going to just go, wow, we'll start from scratch. That's a hard pill to swallow when you have remaining members, that that's their light's work. And now they're supposed to just call it quits because one guy's gone. Chris, your friend Eddie Van Halen. Your friend Eddie Van Halen. Could Van Halen move on without Eddie Van Halen? No. No. And oh. What if Wolfie took his place? If who? Wolfie, his son. You can't replace Ed. You can't replace the guy. He is irreplaceable. There's thousands of people that can play like him, whatever. But there's only one of him. The guy's irreplaceable. You can't. There'll be nobody on this planet to ever play like he does. What if they pulled off a foreigner thing where they have Alex Van Halen, David Lee Roth, Wolfie, and Michael Anthony? Is that not enough? Because, you know, the last few times I once saw Van Halen, I went once where it was a whole crowd at the Staples Center, where it wasn't, I mean, usually I don't go to their parties, you know, right in front of the show. But I went to the Staples Center and people in that crowd came to see Ed play guitar. Oh yeah, yeah. I remember seeing Van Halen. They came to see him play guitar. Oh, it's like. You know, it didn't matter about Hager singing or whatever, blah, blah, blah. They came to see Ed play guitar. So when Randy Rhodes passed away and you had another guitar player come in. Jake. Right. So Jake Lee comes in. Did what did Randy Rhodes have enough of a profound or a parallel impact to the Aussie thing as Eddie Van Halen did to Van Halen? That's a tough one because he didn't have enough time. He didn't have enough time because Aussie is Aussie. He's a singer. Okay. And Halen is a singer. He's he's he's there's there's only one Van Halen and he's gone, you know. Right. Now I hear you. Yeah. And I'm not I'm not suggesting people are saying, oh, Jimmy, you're stirring it up with Van Halen. I'm not trying to stir it up. Oh, these are asking questions. Have you ever seen Ed play any of you guys? I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's he's there's only one of them. Nobody else can play like that guy, you know. But what if what if Van Halen went out and they just said, we're just going to play the songs. We're not we're not going to record music like Foreigner and people went out to see them. Is it is it morally right? But people are going and to Alan's point. Well, people want to go see it so they should see it. I got a question for you. Where do you end it? Where does it end? What if they had recordings from Eddie that never made it on records and Van Halen wanted or let's say they had these solos or, you know, recordings of Eddie, because I'm sure he has tons of archived shit that nobody's ever heard. And Van Halen puts out a record with those archived guitar parts. That would that would be considered Van Halen, right? If they put out a record and used his recordings, that would be that would be Van Halen, right? I think so. Yeah, I think so. There would be nothing wrong with it. Live, you couldn't you couldn't pull that off. He's gone, you know. I don't think he'll ever he's doing a live thing without him. But just I mean, they could they could do a hologram. I was just going to ask that. I was going to ask Chris, what does he think of the D.O. hologram? No, it's not this live. It's like once Hendricks died, Hendricks is gone, you know. But if you were never if I like I've never seen Jimmy Hendricks. Yeah, it would be a fun. Now, would I be like I saw Jimmy Hendricks? No, it would be a fun experience to feel like if I had I been alive when Jimmy Hendricks was playing and doing that, this is what I would have experienced. The closest thing I could have experienced to the real thing back then, I think as a novelty experience, that would be cool. But to pass it off as, you know, as it. No, that's that's I think I'm a little curious about the D.O. hologram. I think I am a little curious because D.O. kind of like that type of technology and the guys playing with the hologram are, you know, legit family of D.O. I kind of I would like to go see it and my for it, probably not, but I still would like to see it because I'm curious. I want to peek in there, see what's going on. Could could Iron Maiden go on again with another singer and not Bruce? Oh, no, I don't think a while back I went through every Iron Maiden song from the beginning, from the first album one consecutively. Yeah, they're OK with Deanna. I could understand why Bruce came in and I am not cutting Blaze Bailey down. I do not want to cut him down. I've met him. But when those I went through all the albums and when the two albums of Blaze Bailey did the songwriting everything, Bruce adds in. Bruce is I know he's not original member, but he's like the Iron Maiden guy. Yeah, the X factor. Yeah, he's got that special something. He's as he's the special that makes that thing go. You know, I mean, Blaze, I listened to every song with Blaze Bailey. I was like, no, no, no, no, no. Hiroshi says, can Iron Maiden go? OK, sorry, I'll go ahead. I mean, Adrian Smith is a big part of that too, right? That's for me. I hear what Chris is saying. But for me also, the songwriting, it was not as strong. And Adrian Smith brings a huge other side to that band. Oh, yeah, Adrian does. All right. To Chris and to Todd and to Alan, can Iron Maiden go on without Steve Harris? He's the main songwriter from what I understand. Well, no, well, no. Apparently, there's a lot of other songwriters in the band. Where could you find somebody to play bass like that? Nada. Nada. I mean, I think. You can't. Nobody's going, you're not going to find somebody to play bass. That's like Eddie Van Halen. You ain't going to find anybody to do what Van Halen does. You're not. What if the band, they find somebody. I guess there's no real family with. And Iron Maiden, to be fair, there's only Steve Harris. Well, if you want to go from the beginning, right? From the beginning, beginning, beginning. You got the Eddie character. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Eddie to Eddie. So when does a band call it quit? Like when does a band say, OK, we've had enough. We're calling, we're retiring the name when, when, when the, when the, when, when, when the consensus says, says, says. But who's the consensus? Is it the band members? Is the people? The audience. Wow, that, that, that should have been a lot of bands should have been, you know, listening to the consensus. But, you know, they had their, even Iron Maiden at one point, there was a consensus that things aren't going well. But they brought it back up, right? I mean, look, there's tons of people that are like, you know, Jeff's the only voice of Queens, right? You're, you're not, you know, and. Yes. Oh, Jimmy. What's going on? Yeah. I'm sorry to bother you. I just want to say something because Chris going to forget that you want to say hi to. Why don't you, why don't you say hi? Why don't you say hi? Hi, hi. I know I can't see your face. Okay. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, nobody wants to see my face. Come on, come on, right first. Okay, let's say an ounce. Mrs. Holmes, let's go. No, no, it's a fun of a game and she watches so the show and I want you to say hi. Fabienne. Sarah, why don't you just say hi? Sarah, say hi. Hi, everyone. All right. I think, I think the best thing Led Zeppelin did was quit when Bonzo was gone. Chris, did you see that Led Zeppelin play? Did you see him alive? Yo, yeah, yeah, I saw him in 80, in 1980, 1980. Right, there was album of cashmere on it, whatever the physical graffiti tour. Right. It's good when they played for three hours, didn't have an opening band. And through the outdoors. You know, I, you know, the who, the who went on without the who kept going, you know, it's hard to say and without ant whistle. Whoa. Tell me just Keith Moody and ant whistle weren't a major part of the who they were. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, they kept, you know, I don't think they've played as big as stuff as they do. Would I go see the who now? Yeah, I would because I love the car. Okay, then you have Pink Floyd. Yeah, that's what I wanted to bring up. That's a good one. Four guys, four guys that one wants to leave and he says, well, you can't be Pink Floyd anymore. I say, well, we're four and you're leaving and you want to leave. Why can't we be Pink Floyd? No, I'm going to sue you if you stay Pink Floyd. Say, yeah, but you're the one that's going. And we're the majority. It's in this movie. You know, Roger Waters, David Gilmore. That takes some ego. This is like Chris Holmes and Blackie Lawless. Right. It's just Pink Floyd is like, when you have Roger Holmes by himself, I have his solo albums. It's great, but it's not Pink Floyd. And when you have David Gilmore doing Pink Floyd, it's okay, but it's not Pink Floyd, but they're going around selling out arenas as Pink Floyd. Well, that goes back to what Chris said. If people are willing to spend the money and they support that banner and that brand, then they'll go. I mean, you know the songs like it goes back to what Todd said. To the songs. People just want to hear the songs. You know, a lot of people, like Todd said, a lot of people don't even care who's playing them. If you asked me, could Queensrike ever be Queensrike without Jeff Tate, I would have said hell no. It's a nice day, Florida. Look at that, huh? Oh, dude, it's palm trees and sunshine, my friend. Look at that. Look at that. Is there any coconuts around there? No, those are just my palm trees. You're acting like you live in London, dude. I'm in Florida. Yeah. All right. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, I would have said there's no way Queensrike could be Queensrike without Jeff Tate. And that's back. That's back then when it was after the first few albums came out. Yeah. But I mean, again, things started. Yeah. But we've talked about, we've talked about this too, Jimmy, where, you know, Bruce Dickinson was always on top of his game. There was a period of time where Queensrike didn't sound like the Queensrike that we know and love. And when I finally came into the band, there was a shift to going back to those roots of the band. And I think that also helped. Whereas you've got Iron Maiden, where Bruce Dickinson always sang killer. Rob, you know, Rob Halford always sang, you know. You know, then there's Rob Halford. I'm seeing these comments like fly in. Could Judas Priest go on without Rob Halford? And I mean, they have. I mean, God, have you heard Firepower? For sure. Absolutely. Yeah, I have the record. Yeah, it's great. So they can't go up to both guitar. I don't did a did a Tifton play on that. I don't think he did. Did he? Well, it's because it's completely different sounding now. It doesn't sound like the old priest. What about Skid Row? Here's, here's one where it's just mind boggling. You have Sebastian Bach. Well, that's, yeah, that's kind of like our situation. No, it's not because you guys are doing well. Skid Row really doesn't do that well. I mean, at least not from what I'm seeing, right? I think they do all right. We've played a bunch of shows with them and, you know, they're doing a new record right now. They got Nick Raskulinas or whatever, who's a big producer. So we'll see, you know, they're putting out a new record. Yeah, I don't know. Again, it's an interesting topic. I'm going to throw out this question to everybody. When does it end? When does a band retire? When does a band say, you know what? We've had a great legacy. We're all 79 years old. We're in wheelchairs right now. When do we just leave it to our children? Do they carry on? Is the next 30 years going to be Wasp without Blackie and Chris? Queens right without Todd? With, you know, maybe your son or something taken over? I don't know. What's the next 30 years going to look like? The thing is, is when you have like a band versus like a team, because a band is a team, it's teamwork. But, you know, you've got famous sports teams, like the Yankees or the New England Patriots. And you've got like that winning lineup, right? Those guys are retired. But that Jersey is still playing. They're still a team. They're still playing the game. The difference is, and you still have chemistry on a team, like you have chemistry in a band. But there's a thing, there's a personal fingerprint with music, unlike a sporting event, in my opinion. Because I don't know, it's just, it's a different thing. It's a different, it's like a piece of your personality. It's different, in my opinion. Well, music is personal. That's the thing. And that's why we're on this show here doing this, because music is very personal. It's not a baseball team. Guys are very stat-oriented. Not a baseball team. Look at, hey, Brady left, right, the Patriots, and who did he go play for? The Panthers. And who won the Super Bowl? No, the Bucks. The Bucks. Milwaukee. Who did he play for? The Panthers. You're in Florida, so you'd know better than me. Yeah. You went to Tampa Bay. Yeah. And who won the Super Bowl? Tampa Bay. That's like Tiger Woods coming back and winning the Masters again. That's that cool, what Brady did. I do think you do have that level of integrity though, where you have to be able to say, look, we're just milking the shit out of this. And it's a little ridiculous versus, when there's the no members and it's just like, why can't you, if you guys are really worth your weight in salt, why can't you just, if you were never in the band within, like again, that assembled kiss, or that assembled other band or whatever. I think Todd in the next, Rolling Stones, by the way, Gabriel just reminded me of Rolling Stones. They're still going, right? I think in the next 20 to 30 years, you're going to see no original members and bands like Wasp continuing and just grabbing that name, whoever owns the trademark, just going to keep going on. That's what I think is going to happen. It goes back to what Todd said. You've got to be upfront about it. Yes, the name sells, but at the certain time, you got to look yourself in the mirror. And if you're going out as a, portraying yourself as a member of a band that you were never a part of, you know, I think first of all, the public's not stupid, so they're not going to necessarily support you, Well, you know what, Alan, I don't know about that. I think the public is blind, not stupid, but they're blind. I just want to go out and have a good time. They just want to hear the song. Like Todd said, his wife loves Wasp, will listen to it all day long, but has problems even recognizing or even naming one member. A lot of people are like, that's fine. There's no problem. They just want to hear the song. Because if I went to see Queens right with my wife, she'd think you were the original singer. Like, that's what I'm trying to tell you. But it's the thing, because they want to hear the songs. Todd, is your wife listening to Fuck Like a Beast? I'm just kind of curious. I'm just kind of curious. I'll have to ask her. That's her favorite song. I was just kind of curious. Say, say, say hello, Pirakdia, say that, say. Pirakdia, that's her name. She'll be tickled. Pirakdia, how you doing? Yep, yep. Is she watching today? I'm sure she's in Greece right now. Yeah, she's watching. I'm sure that she's watching. Oh man, it's like one o'clock in the morning there now. Well, it's a good chat, guys. Yeah, it's an hour before me. It's one. Yeah, yeah. It's a good chat. Well, we're not going to resolve this today, but it's a great opinion. What's she doing with Greece? Has she been there since last time you seen your wife? She went and saw her family. Some family stuff, yeah. But does she have a Canadian name? A U.S. name or a North American name? Like Pam or something? No. No, because, look, my real name is Dimitrios, right? But they call me Jimmy. They just call me Jimmy, right? So that's why I'm trying. They've Canadianized me. Anayati, Peter. Peter, Peter. Petros, Petros. Yeah, but they don't do that anymore because I find that people like to have more exotic names now. So it's kind of like cool to have a. Any other comments that are we need to go to? Oh, so many comments are going right through. I just, I just can't keep up with somebody. This has been very fun and not as. A little chit chat, right? You know what, Todd? Todd, since we're on topic. Not as much as what, Todd? What were you going to say? Since we're on topic. There we go. I bet you you sell more albums when we don't talk about your album than you do when you talk about them. Because it's always the same questions and answers, right? Me and Alan did an interview today with George Lynch. And you could see he was tired of just answering the same question. So we just went off on all kinds of tangents. Yeah, and then plug the record. Yeah, then plug the record. We wouldn't even talk about the record. We spent half an hour with them, never talked about the record. Hey, Chris, I got a question for Chris. What's the situation off topic? What's the situation like where you're at with the lockdowns? It's they're down. Lockdown for lockdown again, pretty hard. If he's not supposed to go 10 miles from where you live in a round circle anywhere, and you have if you go somewhere, you're supposed to have a piece of paper if you write out where you're going, what time you come back. Right. They just because the other day they had 600 and something people die one day. And with how small the country is, they got a lot, you know, viruses. Plus, they don't have the vaccines in America. America. They don't have as much. They don't have the vaccines for the people. In France. Same here, by the way. I got my shot two weeks ago. Oh, really? Great. Good. Which one? Zeneca. That's for Zeneca. Made me sick. I hear the Pfizer one has other side effects. Well, I got sick the next day. I felt like I had to flu. Yeah. Yeah, but how long did last, Chris? Just a day. One positive thing is I didn't get the runs. That's always a plus. My body was aching. Every bone creaking. I felt like crap. But I didn't, you know, I wasn't in the bathroom on the toilet. That's the positive thing. Okay. Well, that's a good positive. We're going to end on that note. We went from eight o'clock, lock down curfew to 9.30. And now we're back to eight o'clock. Back to eight o'clock. We're at eight o'clock curfew. Are you guys at six o'clock curfew, Chris? In France? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's seven o'clock now. Okay. And Florida is just like a wild west right now, right? Right time. It's always been that way. Bands are touring Florida now. Texas and Florida, they're touring. Can you see the baseball game? You can go to a strip bar, massage place. You can go seek live bands. You can go to the gym, the mall, every restaurant, bars. Everything's open. It's the wild west here. It's nuts. Are there a lot of cases though? Or are there like a lot of people sick in hospitals? I mean, I haven't looked at the numbers lately, to be honest, because I don't really go out much at all. But a lot of people are like, I'm trying to get the vaccine and I'm trying to book an appointment. You can't get it? And they're fully booked. Everybody's getting vaccinated. Have you been vaccinated? We're doing six, 16 and older right now. Wow. Wow, we're still at 55. Have you gotten vaccinated? No, not yet. I'm trying. We haven't gotten vaccinated. We're suffering for the same thing. See, the U.S. has all, they're the makers of the vaccine, whereas Canada is the buyer of the vaccine. So it's a little more trickier. I'm the same with France, right? The countries that make it have a lot quicker access, right? Just do the precautions. You got to, you know, precautions. You got to take, wash your hands and whatever. Yeah. If you go out and book it on. What's going on with your tour, Chris in Canada? Is it postponed? What's going on? Do you know, have any news? No, I think they rebooked it for 2022. Okay. Ask Sarah, if I know that. I got a plate of shows to come up in November in England, Hard Rock Health, and in Ireland, I booked them. I'm going to go over and play those if they let me in. You know, just so you know, Todd, Chris has got a documentary out, The Mean Man. The Mean Man. Where do I see that? How do I see it? You're asking the wrong person. Sorry. I don't want to be a jury. Just take Chris Holmes. Just take Chris Holmes' documentary. It's all there. Where is it available for me to ask your wife, ask your wife where I could buy it? I think it's on Amazon Prime, and you could buy it. Bandcamp, bandcamp, bandcamp. Amazon Prime? Well, I got to look it up here. Somebody who's watching could tell us. Because I have Amazon Prime. Yeah. It's on that. It's on that. I'll watch it tonight. Look, Bandcamp. I'm pretty sure. A lot of us just me leaving Wasp and coming over here starting a new life and showing me traveling in a little car and having just whatever goes, whatever you go through, you know. Let me ask you a personal question. Does it bother you when people want to talk to you about Wasp? Are you just like, hey, I just want to focus on what it doesn't bother you? Okay. I'll give them the, I bet I would tell them the truth. I'll tell them the flat truth, you know. Yeah. You know, I'll tell them Blackie's got the killer, one of the killerist voices in rock and roll. He writes killer lyrics and this and that. And it's, you know, there's, if they ask about my publishing, whatever I don't talk, you know, I'll tell them the truth. Yeah. Tell them the flat truth, you know. Yeah. And Todd, you met Jeff Tate, and that was the big thing like last week. And we're just going off on different topics here. I mean, you met Jeff Tate and he taps you on the shoulder Hey, Jeff. Hey, Todd. Yeah. I mean, you just, it just happened like, we don't have to talk about it, but I'm just saying that you, I want to, I went to the trippiest show in my life once, about eight, eight years ago. I was down to Florida, the house of blues and where I'm, Orlando, I think it was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And somebody was like one, that there goes, was trying to, to go see Queen's Rock. I go, they were trying to get on a list. I go, you want to go on a list? Call back, you can talk to somebody in the band. Just tell them, you know, let's give them my name. And then they go, yeah, Chris, we'd love to see them. So I went down there and Jeff was singing, but they, they had me sitting the thing called the Queen's Box. Have you ever heard of that? No. Queen's Box. It's behind the stage, but up the second floor. Oh, okay. Okay. And I, and most of the house of blues have that. I went there and I sat there. I could hear the guys on stage almost talking because they were all playing with in ears. Blew my mind. Blew my mind. I've never seen anybody play like that. I mean, it was, it was a, I was like, wow, the drummer was playing acoustic, but the guitars were all direct. And it was a, you know, I'm used to playing like on fucking 10. Oh man, I'm used to, I don't like to play unless I can feel my guitar hit me in the back. But they were doing it. You know, I was talking to the guitar player for his name. Doing it the way they're doing it, you'll last a little bit longer in life. You know, it was, it was cool how they did it. I liked it. Scorpions does that too. They have, they have the, the coffin cases. They have these cases, you know, where the amps are way off the stage. And, and that's where you hear, they're in ISO boxes that are mic'd up. And the stage sound. The stage sound. I don't think was that loud, but Mickey D. He's still old school and he plays with, you know, insane PA shit behind him, you know, but there was a time, you know, when I got into the band where we're all on in ears and the stage volume was kind of low. And eventually we started turning up and turning up and turning up because you want to feel that you want to feel the guitar in the bass and that, you know, you want to feel that. Sometimes you just feel like so kind of isolated when the stage volume isn't like rocking, you know. So we're, we're on in ears, but we play through kempers. And so that's what's going out into the house on the, on the stage. It's, it's just like, that's not what you're, is coming out of the cabinet. But I was behind, I was behind the stage. I could only hear the PA and it was tripping me out. It's all quiet. Yeah. Well, it was a good chat, guys. I'm happy you guys got to discuss all this. It's a good chat. In Europe, I played Norway rock festival and I, and I lost, I have a hundred watt Marshall. It's a stereo. I lost it. So I got a 90 watt Mesa Boogie and I, and I, I use it stereo, right? But I sound check and the guy comes up, um, um, Doro was playing when I was sound checking on the other stage. The guy, the PA comes up and asked me to turn down, blew my mind. I go, dude, we're on the Lemmy stage. And he goes, you're the tar's overpowering. I go, you need to get a bigger PA dude. All right, everybody, everybody, I'm going to, this is the last question. And I'm going to ask this out to everybody who's watching, which bands should retire? We're going to close off with this. I'm going to close with this. I'm going to close with this. Which bands are current right now that are playing concurrently or? Yes. We're playing right now. Yes. My opinion, I hear a kiss. I see kiss. Kiss, kiss should, they've retired about five or six times. Kiss again. Kiss again. None of them. I don't have an answer. Come on. You got something there. What about choir riot? Oh yeah. They, they, they were gone again. Ever since Kevin died, choir riot, to me, is gone. Yeah, me too. Judas Priest, somebody's saying. No, Rob Halford. Rolling Stones, Aerosmith, Kiss, The Who. Rob Halford still sings. No way. I mean, Judas Priest should totally. Ozzy, Ozzy. What about Ozzy? Should he retire? No. No. No? Ozzy, no. He's out there still doing it. Autograph should retire. Autograph should retire. Guys, what do you think? Autograph, should they retire or not? I don't think they're the original man. I didn't know they're still around. I didn't know either. Rat, should Rat retire? No, I think Ratat, they're still young enough. Steven Pierce, he's still doing it. Deep Purple. Yes or no? Ian Gillen still singing. Yeah. He's 72. I think he's like 72, 73 now. I mean, I love Ian Gillen. Rolling Stones again. And Steve Morris, he plays right as good as Blackmore. Why are people saying Rolling Stones? The Stones can't retire. Once the Stones retire, music's over. That's what they used to say about Lemmy. The Stones retire, music's over. Queen, what about Queen? Should Queen retire? They already did, didn't they? Don't they go on with what's his face? I can't remember his name. When I see Queen with Adam, I personally, I view that as they are memorializing the legacy of Queen. I don't view that as Queen without Freddie Mercury. I see it as they're keeping the spirit of the music alive and performing shows. Yeah, they're using the name, but in my opinion, I view it more as a memorialization and a celebration of the history of the band. All right. Erasmith. They're still kicking ass. Why are people bringing that up? People want them to retire. It's not me. It's the people. Oh, no, they shouldn't retire. Well, I think they should retire, too. Really? I think they had enough. I had enough. I had enough of Erasmith. What about White Snake? What about White Snake? Should they retire, Alan? I know you're a big White Snake fan. Well, no, man. They could maybe do some more acoustic stuff, I guess. I don't know. But didn't Coverdale say he was retiring about four years ago? Yeah. Ozzie said it a long time ago, too. And there's no more tours. Part one. Guns and roses. No, they're still young. Guns and roses. If his parking is a little worse than it is, he's good to retire, you know? Oh, here's a good one. Slayer should come out of retirement. Yeah, I think they're too young to retire. Slayer? Yeah. Well, would you, hold on. Would you have said that Zeppelin was too young to retire? Led Zeppelin. You know what? As much as I was a fan of Led Zeppelin continuing, I was a big fan of that. Like I wanted them to continue. But at the same time, I respect their integrity and their morality to say that's that. Yeah, they went out on top. Slayer went out on top. I saw their last tour at Valken. You know, that wasn't their last show, but it was one of the shows of the last tour. And you know, Lombardo wasn't there. Hanuman's gone. But dude, they fucking kicked ass. And I was so glad to see it. Yeah, they played. I think they played their last tour. Everybody kind of saw them when last go around. Someone's called me a killjoy because I'm saying asking bands to retire. I just think there's a time, a moment. Rush, as much as I love Rush, they should retire and they have. I don't think they're coming back as rush. Again, there's also, there's also the difference when your catalog is worth so many millions of dollars versus everybody else that in order to eat and pay their mortgage, they have to, they have to play live shows or they're just, they just, you know what I mean? Yeah. It's so night and day, dude. I mean, Iron Maiden's guarantees are a million plus every night. Never mind merch. Yeah, never mind merch. The merch, they're making a killing. You know, and you know, everybody else, whether it's 50 grand a night or three grand a night or two grand a night, everybody else, it's all relative. Whether you're teching yourself and you've got a front of house tour manager that's double duty or you've got a bandwagon or an RV or a full blown bus or whatever. All that shit's relative, but everybody else dude relies on touring. So even if, even if it was like, yeah, they should call it quits. If this is all they know and they've all they've ever done, they can't call it quits. They got to keep going. On that note, Todd, on the next album, I want to see an epic 20 minute song on Queensrack. I want a 20. I was thinking about this last night. I texted you. I go, Queensrack needs a big song, like a, like a 2112. That's what I'm, that's what I'm hoping for. 2112, Cygnus X1. That's what I'm hoping for. Well, we did on Condition Human, the title. Condition Human. Yeah. No, no. I'm more epic. I'm not talking about seven minutes here. I'm talking about like 20 minutes here. The whole side. As a listener of music, I don't want to hear a 20 minute song. Oh, for God's sakes. Hey, you know what? We did our job. Keep them one. You did a seven minute or you need to triple that. Keep them one. All right, guys. Such a pleasure. It was fun. Yeah. Yeah. We're just chilling, hanging out. And the next time we're in France, Chris, I'll get your, I'll get your contact, if you don't mind from Jimmy or Alan. And, and, and I'd love to connect with you when we're over there. You guys, did you ever come to the south? South part of France? Monaco? No, I haven't been there. Are you in Keynes? Where are we in Keynes? Near Can. I understand. Monaco. I can drive to Monaco in 30 minutes. We're, we played Hellfest. Where is that in relation to you? That's way north by Paris. I'm in the south, right by where Italy and Italy by Monaco. Okay. That sounds, that sounds really nice. I'm in Cannes. We're the Cannes Film Festival. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. All right. Very cool. Anyway, I enjoyed it. Thank you for having me. Nice to meet you, Chris. I know we're all, I gotta go have supper now. Thank you guys. I know I will try to eat at 8 o'clock to eat later on, huh? All right. I hope you guys. Thank you. Stay safe. I hope you guys are searching. All right. What's that? Yeah. I hope we got, I hope we talked to the discussion right. Oh, we just. Good job, good job. Overdid it. We overdid it. We overdid it. We didn't make any, what's better or what's worse, did we? No. Sometimes the journey is more fun than the conclusion, right? I think if the fans, if the fans go to pay for it, then they should keep doing it. I agree. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. All right, guys. To have a good one. Today's safe.