 I want to try you know that thing that they do in the movie all the time that hey welcome back to our stupid or ecstasy as it's a i'm i'm corby i'm rick and you can follow us on instagram twitter i'm twitter i'm all juicy content i'm ajanboe chuddy karpit I'm boe make a some squad bang that's the problem you only have water and coffee over there huh follow us on a person YouTube channels links in the description below you need some james in maybe or something maybe but today you're little you're little stupid uh we are doing a movie of you yes you're supposed to watch a film uh so old i've done that so many times it's i guess technically a classic it's old enough right yeah i think technically it falls into that uh being a classic and we've heard some five years old songs from it from 1992 it's a tamo film which it was incredibly difficult to find the tamo version which is ridiculous yeah um the amazon for some reason has a telugu version and you guys know our our opinions on dubbing we you can if you like dubbing that's fine we think even even though we read the subs whenever we look up at the face the mouth is not matching the emotion of the face with the talking for the movement of the mouth we don't like it yeah it takes away the believability and the honoring of the original language yes but uh so what was that we are reviewing roja who is a distant cousin of scott sterling the first installment uh hold on is your house taking off yes it's actually the first installment of the technique technically they say it's a trilogy they're not related in any way to shape or form except for i guess terrorism i guess why that that's the same way with the the trilogy for uh vishal and his shakespeare stuff they're only related because they're shakespeare they have no connection to each other but we watched it backwards yes from the end to the beginning actually yes yeah we didn't know it's really interesting then when we watched this backward it actually becomes lagun it was weird very strange but it's uh mani ratnam is the director and writer uh as well as the other ones and uh el roman did the score and starring um arun swarmy and as roja madhu and and of course uh pankaj kapoor which is shave kapoor's father um which he's quite a good actor i like him um even though he's not the star of this i just i like him i want to explore him more so go ahead and let me know what his next film should be because he's actually like himself a star yeah he's he was he's a thesbian we've seen him in just a few things yep but i think he's a fantastic actor but anyways hundreds of minutes for a review uh came out in 1992 i'm sure you've all seen it just like bombay so if you haven't you're a weird indian yep i mean you you just gotta go see it yeah uh but and then come back and watch the review because we're just gonna spoil throughout rick our initial thoughts um i don't think they i don't think people set out to make a bad film you know what i mean i i just didn't like it very much there was a lot of stuff about it i didn't i didn't like there's some things i liked but for the most part i just left it with i had more problems with it than i did really things i liked yeah i liked it um i liked it almost equally it's a it's a different film than bombay very that's what i'm because so because like one's like a more love story much more love story this is much more the first part's obviously the love story and then it goes to the um terrorism hostage situation um but i i enjoyed the film and i i just as much i think as as i did uh bombay i now that i've seen the three they'll say is definitely the weakest of the bunch um even though i still enjoyed it and i i agree with that accessibility i think you know i would assume so you didn't have anything that's the say about he'll say but yeah i i i thought it was good there was some stuff especially like the way i believe in terms of like how this situation should have been handled and uh patriotism slash nationalism that i personally don't like sure but you know it's not it wasn't made for me and it was a very different time right in india and so it's you know i'm not holding that against the film itself but i i thought the film was actually quite good uh i thought the the two performance well these three performances i thought were very good yeah i thought the performances were i thought he was better in bombay but he i think he had more to do i think he had more especially emotion to carry in bombay uh i thought she did a fantastic job though especially when she was getting off frantic uh i thought she did a good job with her husband as well yes and then i also i thought i actually forgot it was him oh really i did i forgot it was him uh yeah no i i knew it was him i mean i was glad to be seeing him and yeah um but yeah i thought they all did uh really really well what didn't you like about it uh several things i one of the things i didn't like was the it's difficult and we've been i've been able to do it with other films it's very difficult for me unless something's done well with the direction and the story and the acting to find a couple whose beginnings are an arranged marriage and then becomes something that you are rooting for them as a couple i felt like i wasn't with them long enough to root for them and believe that they had genuinely fallen in love with each other i felt like that needed more time and i don't know that they hadn't they had the time to do it so that was just one thing and i'm going from my least to my largest things that i had a problem but it was they'd only been married a week and then you got abducted right so the the her deep passion for the guy was really difficult for me to swallow after you know that amount of time and then there were other things for me especially the whole scenario about uh the the cashmere the terrorists and the way things were handled everything was extremely simplistic modeling to the point of just overly emotively uh emotional and but you know very unbelievable in terms of the way the military would respond the way that terrorists would respond uh what actually happens when you catch fire um it just were a lot of things that strained credulity for me at a level that i thought okay so if a kid watched this they might walk away with terrorism's bad love is good but for an adult audience i didn't for me i just found it too simplistic and and not believable i agree in some of your sentiments but it was not too dissimilar from how bombay was that oh i felt that bombay was uh except that i guess in your your point that you obviously had much longer but it was a very different relationship and yeah yeah yeah well as far as that point obviously there was more time to get to know them obviously and um and we had more going on with them relationally throughout but i felt like the the heightened of the certain events was definitely there the same as it was here i didn't see them as simplistic it was definitely tense situation but the believability factor of what was going on even as um unbelievable we talked about his standing and talking to everybody was in that singular moment there was still a level of believability to the moment the rest of the ancillary activity that had been going on based on actual events and i don't know that this is based on an actual event i had no idea either um i stopped i stopped guessing after a look on i mean obviously the cashmere conflict is a real yes but this story yeah i don't know the story's real and i that for example comparing those two events in history uh simplifying this aspect the the cashmere one and specifically what i found to be incongruent with my understanding of what terrorists actually do for example when terrorists say they're going to cut someone's fingers off after day three they typically do and then they cut the toes off and then they send the body parts around and i didn't see any justification for other than they liked him to not cut his fingers off and send them around um and i think what he was more trying to do was trying to actually especially with um pan cut how do you say anything pancache yeah pancache shake of course father yes um show a more even though showing him as a terrorist showing a more human side to them showing that they're sometimes obviously i'm not trying to defend terrorists here um but sometimes that they they are in it because he want i think he actually wanted independence for cashmere obviously he's deluded in the mind in terms of his views and all that but i think that was the point it was that at least his character he was trying to show that he had more of a human side and he he actually had at least some good intentions regardless of you know being murdered and all those obviously more flaws and good stuff but i think that was his intent i understand that there were some obviously very simplistic stuff going on like the whole burning flag thing bothered me uh i was like okay like but whatever that's that's one of the things i said it's my personal views on that it i wasn't really about to put that on the film i was like okay this is cool patriotism cool uh and to make to make it really clear when i talk about the situation with cashmere i'm not talking about the history and the complexity of that yeah i have no place to talk about that even though i've researched it a lot i'm i'm silent on that aspect of what i am talking about is his example uh there was a point where they're talking to one another and he uh uh pankaj kapoor he says at one point he's just doing jihad for jihad yeah and it doesn't matter who's good or who's bad i'm just doing jihad for jihad uh and it was it was almost like the core drive behind why he's doing what he's doing i didn't believe that these conversations with the one he was holding captive completely obliterated what he was feeling and changed his worldview that justified the end where he says to him straight out you've converted me i'm no longer a terrorist that for me was like that's never in a million years gonna happen yeah i i did love that part you know i don't like those kind of endings i was you know what you know what i was hoping for i was hoping that as they were running shot in the freaking head yeah yeah and i was gonna say just kidding yeah um let's say like i think i you can guys can tell me what your interpretation i think that's what they were doing at least with his character pankaj his character was they were trying to show a little more human side sure the same way i think um vishal has done before with uh i think he's done it and like the villains at least in the story they show more more more of a human side so their struggle not just that they're these big bad terrorists i i do agree some of the situations could have been a little more realistic for sure um but especially at the time in india i knew that i don't think this the movie would have been made now i think it would have been made very differently um but i've got like a very patriotic feel of it oh yeah don't burn the flag of india don't any of that there's obviously you've all very heightened and i'm sure his moments of joy and yes and i'm sure like uh nowadays it would have been made more like uri that's exactly what i was saying i had that exact same thought uh but especially i think this almost felt victim to the time and it happened in america it happens all over the place sure this sense of you have to be so patriotic for your country oh please that's what yeah that's why i'm saying like it's not i wouldn't say to somebody there's films that i would say if they mentioned the title i go yeah no yeah no this isn't that this is just i didn't i didn't really like it it's too simplistic and modeling for me but i would say that also about a lot of films that john wain made about world war two yeah he was a racist you know uh there were some stuff where you watch those films and you see the bayonets bending as they stab the guys and it's really simplistic and wraps it up in a bow and everybody's marching in a parade at the end so the funniest part was in the beginning when they had that whole military thing and they had the people spinning on the wires and they were really spinning on the wires yeah obviously it's 1992 a long time ago yeah uh they probably didn't have as much money and obviously the effects stuff especially in india weren't where they are now no and there were some really nice cinematography moments yeah there were some very pretty moments in the photography tamela do because it was gorgeous it was very pretty there were some moments they framed especially toward the end there was a couple of shots where punkage is sitting there and he's contemplating it was around the flag burning thing and they just they had it really beautifully framed the one musical number early in the show before the marriages that's done at night in the home village uh and the way everything was really lit by the waterfall i thought that that was really pretty as was i was gripped with that opening sequence with them fighting with the military coming in um i just example things that strain credulity for me the terrorist is right there and there's the guy he's holding hostage and all of the military is there for india right to try and rescue the guy yeah they wouldn't have let the wife be there no ever no and second they would have sniped him yeah instantly they had a clear shot they're standing there watching the conversation rather than have 50 troops there they would have had one sniper off in the bush and just gone and it would have been done so uh yeah but what did you think about the the songs though i thought the songs were lovely yeah yeah i think the songs were the songs were probably just as some of the best parts of the film just as beautiful i think is the ones that are remanded in bombay yeah agreed and and they helped because we've seen a couple we reacted to yeah as always seeing it contextually makes it that much better i love the the part that i tried to be in is that i think it was whenever they were thinking about each other uh i think that that came on yeah that was a really pretty um thing that they didn't or song i don't know if it's a song and then also the uh it also came on in multiple times though uh what yeah they also did anytime he was running that had that same theme when he was running that i liked it was a high energy the male voice is going good i don't remember what they were saying so out of the three you'd pick bombay yeah first that one two and then obviously they'll say they'll say you would never yeah whereas bombay for me was like this is one i would recommend you watch this is one where i would say not i didn't like it you you can watch it in a joy i don't want to watch it again they'll say for me is i don't understand the appeal at all um but yeah i i enjoyed this film i would watch it again um i definitely it felt very similar to me though in the same way i watched i i do think there were more believability things that were a problem in this for sure then i had in bombay except for the end which was you know holding hands and saying yeah go buy all yeah of course both of them had their their issues yeah but i i enjoyed the films as a whole they definitely have this overwhelming sense and i think it was the time in in india about the love stories so even though it's a terrorist story right the overwhelming sense of it is that the major part of this film is that it's a love story so are you telling me right now we're having a review where corbin miles is appreciating the love story aspect of it and the fact that it has this model and happy ending and rick was the one hoping for someone getting shot in the skull well i can i usually adjust when the film starts and i'm like okay is this gonna be real or is this not gonna be real and then i go from there i adjust my viewpoint as i'm watching because like if like i did with um what was that um satya that it was very realistic the prop the problem i had with it was me all the members in a monster movie yeah yeah i was like okay it's supposed to be realistic and you're having but you're okay with it in a military movie well that's what like i said it wasn't very realistic from the beginning the guys were like okay gotcha the fact that satya was an actual realistic yeah it was like more realism gotcha gotcha so i usually adjust that way all right i gotcha but i understand what you're saying it's not like no i'm not mad at you like i was with um super deluxe and i'm not mad at you yeah i'm not i'm not saying like you your point i really do feel this is another one of those films where it's like some people may like it some may not and you really don't but i still have a point to say well you're wrong about that i just disagree even though i i think i enjoyed both of them the same i still i i think i would put bombay slightly ahead of this one okay and uh it would be and then they'll say they'll say a lot at the bottom even though i still enjoyed it but it's watching all three it's definitely the weakest in terms of story even though the songs are absolutely gorgeous yeah but in terms of acting and and all that stuff it is definitely the weakest because i watched that one thinking i was just going in for shabu-kan right fast right and that's basically what it was yeah but yeah but even but even that for us the expectations i had for srk in that one yeah yeah i think your your expectation for shabu-kan are higher than mine though i think you're right yeah yeah i do though i appreciate him as an actor because of my name is fun yeah he still has yet to reach that level and obviously we have yet to say oh yeah a ton of his stuff oh yeah we're not saying we're experts on shabu-kan nah at all you guys are i know that it's okay don't you're gonna hate me anyway that's okay it's fine it's fine i'll block you uh let us know what channel film we should watch and the next film by uh mimei money ratnam yes right yep uh what his next film we should watch and please let me know more hankaj i think he's a fantastic actor who we've not yet explored enough uh i know he did that one with vishaw i think it was the the blue umbrella uh we reacted to it long a long ago uh i think it was one of vishaw's earlier works as well long ago um but i don't know if that's the next one we should watch you have guys can let us know uh down below and rick ready in unison