 to the Town of Williston Development Review Board. Today is Tuesday, February 8th, 2022. I'll open the meeting with the virtual meeting script. I'm Pete Kelly, Chair of the DRB. Welcome to the applicants and the public participants. Please sign in by renaming yourself on the participant toolbar or commenting on the chat. This is a hybrid meeting taking place in the Town Hall meeting room and virtually on Zoom. All members of the Board and public can communicate in real time. Planning staff will provide Zoom instructions for public participation before the hearings are opened. All votes taken in this meeting that are not unanimous will be done by rule, call, vote, and accordance with the law. In fact, we do all of our votes by rule, call. If Zoom crashes this meeting will be continued to February 22nd, 2022. Let's start by taking a rule call of attendance of DRB members. Indicate present, please. Paul Christensen. Present. John Hemmelgarn. Present. Nathan Andrews. Present. Scott Riley. Here. Dave Saladino. Present. Dave Turner. Present. And Chair Kelly is present. So we have all seven members of the DRB present. So next up is Simon. If you would walk us through the Zoom tutorial, that would be appreciated. Good evening, everyone, and welcome to the Western Development and View Board. We've got some Zoom instructions for you this evening. Those of you who are familiar with Zoom, but just along the bottom toolbar, you have all your controls. You have the mute button to mute and unmute your mic. Please remember to keep yourself muted when you're not speaking to avoid feedback. We also have the start and stop video button. Having your video on is optional. We have the chat centrally there. Please do message me for any technical reasons. We'll be taking public testimony this evening on the hearings. If you would like to speak, please do raise your hand using the reactions button along your toolbar, or you can message me in the chat. 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Thank you, Simon. Okay, first up is the public forum. This is an opportunity for anyone to address the DRB on matters that are not on tonight's agenda. If you would like to address the DRB, please raise your virtual hand, or if you are present in the town meeting room, indicate the staff at this time. There's no one here in the staff meeting, in the meeting rooms who are online at the moment. Okay, thank you, Simon. Okay, Simon, do you see any hands raised, virtual hands raised? No, I don't. Okay. Okay, we'll transition to the public here in portion. There's two items on tonight's agenda, HP 22-01, which is a request for a certificate of appropriateness, and then DP 10-34.5, which is a pre-app application by the Chittenden Solid Waste District. Then we'll do minutes and adjourn. So first up is HP 22-01, Andrew and Angie, come 40, 23 Old Stage Road, are you present? They are not present in the room tonight. They did receive an email notice. This isn't a hearing item, so we can move forward without them being present. Thank you. Okay, staff goes next. All right, I will keep it brief. This is a certificate of appropriateness for the historic zoning, the historic village in the village zoning district. They are proposing to replace some windows on their house. They're gonna do it in two phases, the front and side. They're proposing to use, I believe, Marvin Elevate Double Hung Inserts. They will maintain the six over six muntin pattern, and they will have muntins on the exterior side of the glass for a simulated divided light appearance. Staff recommendation is this complies as proposed. The hack did not have any specific recommendations for the DRB to consider. They were fine with it as proposed. Thank you. Thank you, Emily. DRB members, any comments? I'm here. Nope. Pete, my only comment would be that I would move to go directly to a motion on this one. Agreed. I will entertain that. Any comments from the public? No chats and no raised hands. Okay, we will go to a vote. Please indicate yay or nay, please. Paul Christensen. Yay. John Hemmelgarn. Yay. Nathan Andrews. Scott Riley. Yay. Dave Saladino. Yay. Dave Turner. Yay. The chair is a yay, seven in favor, none opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you. Next up is EP 10-34.5. This is a pre-app for Chittin and Solid Waste District. And who is present representing the applicant? Janine McCrone from the Chittin and Solid Waste District. I'm here with Carl Marshall from O'Leary Burke. And then Jeff Tyler is also in the room. Okay. Not in the room, he's on the phone. Or he's on the computer. Okay, if individually you would introduce yourselves and state your address for the record, please. Okay, Janine McCrone, do you want our business address or? Business address is fine. 1021 Redmond Road. Harold Warchasow, Office of O'Leary Burke at 13 Covert Drive at Essex, Jones. Josh Tyler, Chittin and Solid Waste District. Director of Operations, 1021 Redmond Road, Wilson Bluff. All right, thank you all. Okay, staff goes next. This is a pre-application review for a proposed project to reconfigure access and construct a new scale house and scale for the CSWD Organic Diversion Facility located at 1042 Redmond Road in the Industrial Zoning District East. The property is currently developed with an Organics Diversion Facility operated by the landowner, Chittin and Solid Waste District. I have prepared a staff report for this application, which I request be entered into the record, but unless somebody wants me to, I'm not planning on reading through the entire thing. I would just focus on select parts of the staff or necessary for you to issue a decision. Okay, so staff is recommending that the DRV approve the pre-application to proceed to discretionary permit with recommendations that's drafted. This is amendment number four to DP 1034 for the development of an Organics Diversion Facility approved in 2010. The Conservation Commission reviewed the project and I will be discussing their recommendations further on. Staff report, the Department of Public Works also submitted comments related to utilities, proposed access and parking in their attached memo. So one thing I want to call to your attention is that the subject parcel contains an existing residential structure that at least at first glance appears that it might be closer than the required 35-foot front yard front yard setback from Redmond Road. It is an existing non-conforming structure, which means that the structure itself predates the current bylaw. WDB 26 states that a non-conforming structure can continue indefinitely in its present form. It can be replaced, it can be modified or expanded as long as the degree of non-conformity is not increased. The CSWD is proposing to use this structure as a scale house. They're proposing in addition to the rear of the structure and that would be allowed under the bylaw because it is not increasing the non-conformity of that structure. And then the applicant is proposing to make alterations to the current access they have like a two accesses and I guess traffic goes through one way and they're proposing to relocate the southern access point about 230 feet further south on Redmond Road. The purpose being to improve the flow of the site and increase their queuing area on the site and then not have people queuing up on Redmond Road. And they are proposing some off street parking to the north of the existing building and then at discretionary permit, the applicant would need to submit a site plan demonstrating compliance with the standards of chapter 14 including vehicle and bicycle parking analysis per WDB 14A. The Department of Public Works had a number of comments about on-site infrastructure. There's the applicants proposing to relocate an existing pump house and force main and the extension of a water line to the parcel and as well as some underground power and telecommunications relocations and telecommunications relocations of those utilities. And so the staff is just recommending that they coordinate with Public Works on all this on-site infrastructure and respond to their comments. And so there is some landscaping on the site, some front yard landscaping, there is a lot of existing vegetation that provides a landscape buffer to abutting parcels. And there are these, I guess, sort of formal plantings or street trees along the Redmond Road. So the DRB should maybe think about what, if anything, what further landscaping or what additional landscaping they would want to see to comply with chapter 23. Same street trees, same thing. Street trees are required for many redevelopment projects and there are, I guess you could call these street trees along Redmond Road. So that can also be part of the landscaping discussion. Just decide if you wanna require any additional street trees and or landscaping along the road. The Conservation Commission reviewed the project. There is a significant wildlife habitat area on the parcel. However, because this project is an expansion of an existing facility, i.e. the road, and it's within, and it's an expansion such that it's not, it doesn't represent more than like a doubling of the existing facility. It is exempt from the requirement to provide a habitat disturbance assessment and would be allowed under chapter 27. And then for wetlands, the parcel has glass two wetlands that will be impacted by the modified access. Crossings are allowed, road crossings are allowed under chapter 29. The applicant did obtain state wetlands permit and a federal wetlands permit. And as part of those approvals has agreed to do substantial mitigation on the parcel. They talked with the Conservation Commission about the proposed mitigation and the Conservation Commission is supporting what they're planning to do, but they would like to see some more details about the proposed mitigation as part of an application for discretionary permit. The Conservation Commission also would like to see the 50 foot wetland buffers clearly demarcated on the site plan and on the ground so that they are not disturbed in the future. There is some existing outdoor lighting that's in compliance with chapter 24. The applicant's proposing some additional lighting. The discretionary permit application should show a lighting plan in compliance to standards of chapter 24. And there is some existing signage. I believe in the most recent amendment to DP 1034 was noted some of that existing signage was non-compliant with respect to the number of free standing signs and portable signs because it exceeds the number allowed by right without a master sign plan. So the applicant at discretionary permit should submit a separate master sign plan application that covers the existing and proposed signage or reduce the amount of signage on the site to be under the threshold needed for master sign plan. So that is about all that I have to say. Thanks. Okay, great. Thank you. Okay, it's the applicant's turn. If you would please, I'm not exactly sure how we're gonna do this relative to control of the graphic but if somebody from the applicant's group or probably the engineer could display the site plan and walk us through what you're doing, that would be great. We could do that, but could Simon put that up? I can do it. I think we're gonna have a minute. Staff's gonna do it. Yeah. Thank you. Sure. Okay. I think I understand what you're doing. I just, I thought it would be helpful for- Yeah, of course. For me and probably for others, just to make sure. So it's going to the wasteland and relatively simple, we're trying to go straight across the, what was across the girls point and we're actually having to basically, as staff mentioned, we want to use the existing scale house and then the shaded portion that you should, that you see on the plan right in front of the little box, that's the scale house is scale and then the approaches. And what we want to do is have in the Southern region, a longer approach area for trucks to wait and then get on the scale, get way, go about their business on loan and then come back through. And so 30 foot road, we super elevated on purpose. That was an effort to try to lessen the amount of disturbance to the wetlands and associated buffers. So we're covering that on one side, it's super elevated so we can take it to the Northern region that you see next to the existing entrance in the Northern region of that plan. And it's a tier one practice, needs a three feet separation. We're getting a state school water permit for it because we're as a whole, we're an acre of impervious and the current allows us to bring all of our storm water normally to that region. And in so doing, we don't have to put smaller systems inside the area that is the wetland buffer. So that's what we've done to try to minimize any disturbance in the wetland process. The crossing route is a simple 36 inch pipe in Reverend Road now. We've sent a lot of correspondents back and forth with all the state agencies. We've got our wetland permit issues and we're pretty much ready to deal with that over then. We've done an erosion control plan that will provide discretionary. We're gonna get a state instruction general permit. My understanding is we're right on the verge of getting our storm water from the state. As far as plan goes, we can definitely discuss with staff bringing in more trees but there's a little burn that's there now and that's actually a depression on the southern region. And then in the middle, we're gonna use that material to place the culprits. So we're fairly well balanced in terms of gut builds. Now help us to burden on movement of materials and that kind of stuff. So that we disturb as low as possible to get our new road. And that's pretty much it. I'm just gonna, if I could just back up a little bit because that was a lot of information just to kind of give you a little bit of background on it. Over a year and a half ago, I think we were here last time. I thought you were here where we actually expanded our terrain area and added our sales area in the previously portion of the sand pit. As a result of that, essentially we could, we gained some more space, if you will, on what I call the main campus, which where active composting takes place, undercover, and so as a result of that, we managed to figure out how to figure that area such that we were as efficient as possible. At the same time, our existing scale is kind of at an end of life both from a physical, interagency, resting out, and then also from a computer software, no longer supported those types of things that happen over time. So in looking at all those different things, that's when we kind of came to the decision that we would like to maybe look at, where we want to put the scale, knowing that it's gonna be a 20 or 25 year investment when we put it in, we wanted it to be there for a while. So that's kind of what prompted a lot of this discussion or a lot of this design. And then in looking at some of the different alternatives, knowing that we would probably have to crop that area, we obviously wanted to crop in one of the narrowest areas, but we also wanted to go ahead and capitalize on the idea of reusing that existing residential structure and the garage associated with. Are there, if anybody has any specific questions, because I know that was a lot. And Janine, if I jump in, one of the things is using an existing Jeep trail, that is the approach that we bring in off of Redmond Road. So it is an existing road, loose term. But that also, as some of you may be aware, there's a pretty big corner past this entrance. So this increases line of sight onto this point off this road. And this is really kind of, as Janine was saying, we're replacing a 30 year old scale. So we have to replace, we have to upgrade that. This is kind of a long-term investment, to get people off the road early, to have a lot of queuing space in the event, during the leaf season, we have a backup because we get hit seasonally at this facility for people dropping off their leaf and yard waste. This configuration also allows us to separate out organic drop off and to keep that traffic, kind of by our garage, so that we can get people through as efficient as possible. So this is kind of the third step of a three phase process where we kind of tried to make the site as safe as possible and have throughput through the site as efficient as possible. And that was done as Janine had indicated last year by moving our area out of our main campus. We expanded our curing area and this is the final step to kind of get our approach line as long as we can get it, that we can fit on the site. Okay, thank you. Before I turn it over to the DRB members for any questions, first question for the applicant is, have you read the recommendations for approval and do you concur with them? We have, we look through everything, have a couple of questions but we can work with staff directly on that. Okay, thank you. DRB members, questions. This is Dave Turner. I have a couple of questions. One being, will the gravel pit operation be going through this road too? Or will I? No, third gate we just installed. So the last project we were here for, there's a gate three, it's the Heinsberg Sand and Gravel, they still extracting sand but that is pulled away from, you know, our busiest area and that's why we did that on purpose is to separate that out. So no, they won't. Okay, thank you. And what about the storage pond? Is that being totally removed? Yep, the storage pond was initially put in because we thought we were gonna go a whole lot of storm water but, you know, the site conditions are pretty much built on a sand pit. So we have a lot of infiltration. So this one is kind of useless because when we need it, it's the driest point of the year and it's pretty much empty. When we don't need it, it's full. So we're gonna alleviate that requirement by putting a water line in. And so we're bringing cold water down the road which then allows us to fill it in and get more surface area for potential operations later on but we don't have any plans for where we're filling it in at. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Dave. Other questions? Yeah, Pete, I have a couple. This is John Hemmelgarn. I noticed that the, I guess that's in a garage that's there with the house. Yeah, well, actually, I guess the first thing I'd like to say is I appreciate you reusing the structure that's there. I think that that goes a long way towards minimizing the impact of your improvements on the site and on the experience of people driving up and down the road there. It looks like you're taking off the front 40% of the garage, is that right? That is correct. We might be the only people in Chittenden County that are reducing the size of the garage but it was the only way we could fit that approach in and minimize the impact of the site. Right, so I didn't see anything in here how you're treating that. Are you putting a new front wall in the building or is it a big open space inside of there? We'll put a new wall and we're gonna put a frost wall in the front. So we'll cut the pad at the appropriate distance. We'll build a, we'll construct a new wall there, a frost wall in the front and then we're gonna relocate the roll-up door which is currently in that section that we're cutting off over to the side where you see that kind of box and X. That's the area that we're gonna leave and we're not gonna put parking at so that you can access it. The idea is to get, we've got three loaders on the site and mathematically we can fit them in. So that's the plan with that. Okay, well, I guess, I mean, we'll put conditions in here and we'll talk about this later but I think we'll wanna think about, or I would expect to see some elevations and a little more detail on your renovations to that building as part of the D.C. The other question I had was the wetland mitigation. Do these plans kind of say where you're going to be replacing those? I'm sorry, could you repeat that question, please? My understanding is you're infilling some of the wetlands. Is that correct? We are cracking over the area down in here. Well, actually, you can't see. Well, it's the blue area on the plan there, right? Correct, blue and then pink is the buffer area. Right, and so then there's some mitigation measures that you're required to do. Yes. And where is it? The mitigation is actually going to be to the south of where we are putting in there is another kind of plastic wetland over in that area that has traditionally been mowed. And so we are going to essentially demarcate the limits of that buffer and that wetland area. And that we've been working with the conservation mission talking about what that might look like, whether it's planting or fencing. I've gotten some information from our wetland scientist in terms of species that might work there. So I think those are the specifics that Melinda was speaking to that the conservation commission would like to see more detail on that. Right. So immediately south of this access right. Okay, thank you. And I would concur personally with the conservation commission that will want to see a few more details on that. Sure. Okay, Pete, that's all I had for those two things. Thank you, John. Other questions from the DRB members? Sure, this is Nathan Andrews. I have a couple of questions. Well, one is do you, is this in anticipation of an increase in say your visits per day or whatever metric you might use to measure that? Clearly the demand for this has gone up quite a bit in the last few years. Are you maxed out in your production? Is this to deal with what's already coming in? Or do you expect that the visitors to actually increase quite a bit? I would say that this is to anticipate an increase, but it is also to decongest the input of traffic into the site. We do have, we collect wood at the end of the road at our Williston Drop-off Center. And with this shift and moving the sales area to the back pit, we're gonna try and shift the wood collection up to this site. So it won't increase traffic on the road, but it will bring more people to drop wood off because what we do is we grind the wood and we use the wood chips at the facility. So that was the efficiency we're trying to grab there is to not have to truck it from the Williston Drop-off Center up to the ODF, to our compost facility. Got it. And do you, I see a lot of information about the queuing of the vehicles and the approach. Are you changing the exit at all? And do you see any potential problems with, I mean, the traffic on Redmond Road can get busy, especially on a Saturday. Are you changing the exit back onto Redmond Road at all? Or do you see any safety concerns there? Right now we're not changing it. We're gonna kind of, and Jeanine correct me if I'm wrong, but yeah, the plan is not to change it to bring people in this entrance and let them out at our exit, which is around the corner. If it poses a problem, the reason we made the road 30 feet wide is so that we can get cars in and out of this. So if we have to change our traffic pattern, we will, but the most efficient way to bring people in and out is to do a one-way stream of traffic. So that's where we're at right now. We are trying to keep it as flexible as possible and give it a year and collect as, or give it a couple, a season or two, to see really kind of how, where the dust settles and how the operations land as far as bringing materials in. Okay, thanks. Other questions from the DRB? Pete, I had a couple of quick ones. A question on the super elevation. Is the super elevation being, so that's on the curve just coming off Redmond Road? And is it only to make sure that it drains to the kind of Northwest? Is that, is that why it's being super elevated? Yes, that's the other reason we're super elevating it. So that we can take it all down to the North Asian storm systems, we don't have any impacts in that red blue area. Otherwise, we'd have to put another storm system and we work with the state hopefully on that and our efforts were to try to not have any more disturbance there, at least as loud as possible. And that was the solution that the state agreed with us that curving it on one side super elevated and taking it North to the tested area was the best solution. Oh, so it will be, it'll be curved on the downside with some drainage structures at the low point. Is that, is that what you're talking about? I think it's going to follow the curve line always because it's a pretty, you know, really short run. From this high point, it's going to get curved super elevated all the way to that pre-treatment area with, you know, main cell on the North side. And the infiltration rates are out of control. We could definitely send the whole report, if you guys really want to see it with that weather, the state permit. But let's just say that the infiltration rates were something like 52 inches an hour. We have a couple of those for 10, half as far as the state permit, but, you know, we decided that appropriately to, you know, half of the infiltration rate that's measured. Okay. Just a quick question. I noticed a note that says proposed control light up at the kind of North end of where the work is. Is that, is that control light for the scale itself or is that for people leaving? It seems far away from the scale. Should it be closer or no, that's where it should be. I think it's kind of like a traffic light. You know, we want people to just have eyes on it and, you know, kind of green means yell kind of thing. But the trucks that are on a semi-foot approach. And so we're just trying to get away from that approach. So that's where we position the light, you know, appropriately for. Basically, you're talking like a semi-foot approach. And so our trucks like roughly that length. So that's really what we gave it like one more truck. So, you know, it looks far on the plan, but in realistic terms, it's, we feel like that's going to be the best location for it. I may be misreading it, but it looks like the scale light or the control light is like 200 feet to the North. It looks like it's up by the new storm ponds. It's a minor point. I think it may just be worth looking at the, that location of that length. Yeah. No, we'll take it. We can definitely get the rebos at that. Yeah. And then just. Just like we just, yeah, sorry, go ahead. Just a minor point. I think at the entrance, it would be worth having some kind of do not enter sign just to make sure that people are clear that they should, you know, it's the intention is one way in and that they shouldn't be coming. Well, I guess, no, you wouldn't want, I guess it would be on the exit you'd want to do not enter. So nevermind. Nevermind. That's it for me. Okay. Thank you, John. David rather. Any other questions from the DRV members? Hearing done, any questions from the public? I'll hear in the room. Okay. Okay. Any final questions or words from DRV members or the applicant? Thank you for your time. Okay. Hearing done. I'm going to close the hearing at 739. Thank you. Okay. We're going to go into deliberative session at this point. So if you would shut off the recording, please. Thank you. DRV on February 8th, 2022. It is 750. We are out of deliberative session. Is there a motion for, I'm going to get my place here. Is there a motion for DP 10-34.5? As authorized by WDB 6.6.3, I Scott Riley move that the Welliston Development Review Board having received the application submitted and all accompanying materials, including the recommendations of the town staff and the advisory boards required to comment on this application by the Welliston Development bylaw. And having heard and duly considered the testimony presented at the public hearing of February 8th, 2022, accept the recommendations for DP 10-34.5 and authorize this application to move forward to discretionary permit review. One piece of housekeeping under section two, subsection A. It set up as subsection A, A, B, C. It should be A, B, C, D. And that's it. Okay. Thank you, Scott. Is there a second? Second. Okay. John Hamilton seconds. Any further discussion? Roll call vote. Paul Christensen. Yay. John Hemmelgarn. Yay. Nathan Andrews. Yay. Scott Riley. Yay. David Saladino. Yay. Dave Turner. Yay. The chair is a yay, seven in favor, none opposed. Motion carries. Next up is approval of the draft meeting minutes from January 11th, 2022. Is there a motion to approve the minutes? Yes, Pete, I make a motion to approve the draft minutes as drafted from the meeting of January 11th. Thank you. Is there a second? I'll second. Dave Saladino seconds. Any further discussion? Hearing none, Paul Christensen. Yay or nay. Yay. John Hemmelgarn. Yay. Nathan Andrews. Yay. Scott Riley. Yay. Dave Saladino. Yay. Dave Turner. Yay. The chair is a yay, seven in favor, none opposed. Motion carries. The meeting minutes are approved. Is there any other business to bring forth tonight? Was there, was it there? Yeah, I guess I'm not sure we got that. We got the legal opinion from last week's meeting, but I'm not sure there's anything to discuss tonight on that. Yeah, as the, so for staff is the, the legal opinion is, is posted on the website and is now a public document, correct? That's correct. Okay. Is there anything for the DRV to do to acknowledge it? Or can we stay silent? I believe you can stay silent. Okay. Okay. Pete, I would add that I read through that, I read through that opinion. And at some point in the future, in deliberation, I think we probably should set some time inside to discuss that. Okay. I think that would be a good thing. Okay. Is there any other business or discussion tonight? Just curious on, on that letter, I guess, Melinda or Simon, did we, do we have a new town attorney is, or was this, was David just asked for this one particular request? Well, Paul Gillis used to be, but now David's doing the opinions. Okay. All right. I think Paul Gillis, he retired, correct? Yeah, I believe so. Oh, he did. Yeah, I believe, I believe so. Good for him. Yeah. So it was a well drafted opinion. Yeah, it was really easy to follow. Anything else before we adjourn? Is there a motion to adjourn? I move to adjourn. Thank you, John. Second. Second. I'll second it. Saladino seconds. It's boxed out. I third it. You're boxed out, Dave. Okay, everybody. We are adjourned. Thank you very much. You have a good evening. Less than an hour, Pete. Well done. Love it.