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Hey you guys seeing the the study that's making the round on Too much high-intensity exercise. Have you guys seen it? No, what so a study? Proposterous a study Boulder-dash a study is circulating because the scientists took people and Train the shit out of them with high-intensity interval training. Hmm something that we Advocate against not high-intensity interval training, but rather over training in general But what they found in the study again, this is just I wish they would just ask coaches and trainers before they spend money on studies but anyway decreased mitochondrial function or dysfunctional my so the mitochondria of these people who got over-trained Function worse and they were showing some glucose impairment So was there man? Yeah, what does that their bodies became less sensitized to insulin and glucose? Okay, so essentially the study the headlines are high-intensity interval training is bad for your health or something like that, right? But when you look into the study They beat the shit out of these people and what they basically showed is if you over-train It's bad for your health, which is obviously a duh, but I do want to bring that up because you what you will see in Articles is you know hit training hazardous for your health question mark or something like that, right? Yeah Yeah, what's interesting in being that all the articles previous to that were always highlighting the benefits Exclusively, yeah, but most of those are probably funded by the people selling the you know method, right? Well, it's the salt bikes. It's how you apply it. I could also do a study showing that well That's why I have a question. I mean you didn't really specify what train the shit out of means. What does that mean? Well, okay, I mean this obviously had to be a I think that I think that the way people do some Classes is trained 152 minutes at 95% VO to max as part of the was part of the study, which is insane, okay? That's just ridiculous. Yeah now now The thing that people need to understand because I could also do a study that says is that is that that says back squats Will hurt your back. Yeah, I could prove it by having people do it. I'm wrong 95% of your VO to max for an hour and a half is crazy. That sounds like just pure cardio They're not doing weights No, it's high-intensity interval training with cardio just cardio. Yeah, and again what this is the thing that I think people The big message that people need to understand is that the way that exercise gets your body to improve or get stronger or get healthier is by sending a stress signal and Then what your body does is it gets the stress signal and then it it heals or recovers from it And then it tries to adapt so that next time that same stress signal no longer causes damage or stress Now if the stress signal is overwhelming if it overwhelms your body's capability To heal let alone adapt well now you're just stressing the body and beating it up Yeah, and and overtraining is it could be terrible for your health There's studies on extreme endurance athletes that show that their lifespan is similar to like obese, you know Cigarette smokers, right? Yeah, because they just pushed their body so hard For maximum and I doubt it took into account all the lifestyle stress factors You know that could have came into play there as well with Relationships and work and everything on this was a short. This was just a short study They just beat the crap of these people for months and then looked at the mitochondria that all fills your stress bucket Yeah, you know and that's the that all plays a factor in you know how your body's gonna respond Very good point. Now. This is this was actually one of the issues that I had with orange theory was now they recommend, right? I think it was like it's like 12 minutes 12 to 15 minutes in the orange zone a short period in the in the red very short period in the red and then if some But the way the points work is the harder you go the more points you accumulate And because it's a competitive class that there's TV monitors and everybody can see everybody It would turn into this and then mind you this is my class where I'm telling people not to do that It still happens, right? Like people can't help it when you put them up next to other people You give them points for exerting more energy even though your protocol says, oh, we want you to be at this many minutes This this intensity this so that they're in theory their idea of why they did that was you know smart And if you actually followed their protocol, you would be okay But what I found from teaching hundreds of classes is you put a bunch of competitive minded people Which by the way that's one of the tracks people Yeah, you put a bunch of competitive people in there and you tell them hey Don't go harder than this for much longer But then you score them points they get points for being in that and they can't help but Compare themselves to other people in their class So what ends up happening is these guys people pushing at the like 90% intensity for you know 30 minutes or beyond inside the class, which is not ideal at all I think the other takeaway that is important with this is although this study did something insane for anybody I mean, that's that's an insane amount of intensity for any fitness level That can happen to you with far less intensity Depending on your current fitness level or depending on your current state meaning I didn't get very good sleep last night I've got a bunch of stress at work right now I'm three days in a row of under consuming calories and nutrients like That's where that completely changes that becomes something half the intensity becomes double the intensity for that person Right, it has to be appropriate for that moment in essence and I mean I remember learning this with Elderly clients when I started to really get into that advanced age population I would do I would start off with what I thought was totally appropriate and then the report I would get would be like oh my god I couldn't walk for three days and I think to myself like all we did were three sets of getting up and down off of the bench So I'd have to scale it way back But then I had to consider like this person 75 Deconditioned they've done no resistance training for pretty much their entire life Any stimulus is gonna be sufficient to and that's the key right is also don't push your body to its limit In order to get you to you know where you want to go But rather do the minimum amount to trigger that thing into motion because anything above that just requires more resources Of your body you can keep building on top of that versus you know You don't really have anywhere else to go once you hit yes And that's why I think one of the best metrics that I used to tell my my clients was After your workout you should feel better than you went into Then how you felt when you went into the workout what I mean by better isn't just Satisfied that you beat the crap out of yourself and whatever but rather Do you have more energy at the end of this workout? Do you have less pain at the end of this workout? Do you feel like you could do another workout at the end of the workout? Like that's what you're looking for what you don't want to do is leave the workout and be like I survived I survived that beat down and now I need I'm gonna sit in my car and just you know die or whatever go Lay down the couch you should feel at the end like oh my I went into this workout feeling a particular way I feel revved up now at the end of it Some what right because I think when you get that flood of cortisol to even if it's overdoing it There's a lot of people that are addicted to that feeling and would translate that feeling to a good feeling So that's kind of I don't even know if I like that as a way to explain sometimes the people because you would get people I remember having this class like I had these conversations after class some people would talk to me after the orange theory classes and I Would ask questions about what their training was like and then I'd be okay You know you need to probably back off a little bit I'm see where you're at in the red zone all the time and you're always pushing through the weights like a circuit And you should actually slow down take rest periods And they're like but I feel amazing, you know I feel so good afterwards and I did I think it's they're not really even you know what that's a good point They're not connected to what there's what that means. That's right They get this that you get that flood of I think the I feel good because you feel accomplished Yes, you did something really hard as we do almost in anything in life. That's challenging you overcome it You do it so you go you have this feeling of I did it and then you add in the cortisol rush that they get and they're like Oh, that feels like a little bit of adrenaline and then a lot of these people miss misunderstand or miss read What feeling good after a workout is and so, you know, I know we've said that a lot on the podcast But I'd say that's my one problem with even that as an indicator because I think more people than not are not that in Tune with their body and know how to read those signs. Yeah, that's a good It's a very good point. It's like if you're if you can't even read What your what your body signals are telling you or you're not in your body? That's the phrase that I like to use then asking someone to you know Listen to their body is like well my body's telling me to eat donuts and then go beat the crap out of it That's what my body's telling you know, that's like, well, you got to learn kind of how to read it You know and that can be a very misleading read because it does again. It does feel good to do it Accomplish anything hard, right? That always feels good, right? It's like equivalent to, you know, some of the runners that chase that runners high, you know Like and they'll go like even further just to get that Feeling out of it, you know, whereas you go to the circuit training you do get that kind of a Like, you know quarters all high from from that experience and you're always kind of chasing you know what though I'll even challenge that though I'll do this you might get away with it for a little while But at some point you'll start to feel the diminishing effect at some point You'll start to get shitty sleep at some point. You'll crash an hour after the workouts over and then you're chasing the previous You know way you felt before start feeling it. Yeah, it's all gonna come and those quarters all junkies This is what they look like with their workouts They get really consistent going saying fall off for a little while and they come back and do it again Fall off for a little while. Well, and you know the problem with that is and I think that's what they probably Attribute the lack of the results is that oh, I've just never stayed with it. Yeah, I know it's not because I probably don't ask why Yeah, it's it's probably not because they didn't have a good approach. They think that you know man when I was doing it I was feeling great feeling accomplished the button enough times. Yeah, my weight was even going down I was doing it. It's just that oh man, I fell off a month later with that. So it's I don't know It's a tough one. So and that's why I think well, obviously, there's a reason why a business like that is exploding There's a reason why CrossFit still dominates quite a bit like I mean people are attracted to that feeling and they Perceive it as a good feeling. I don't think they perceive it as a I just beat my body up I think they perceive it as I accomplished something and I've got this adrenaline rush now. That's a good Well, I know what that feels like I've gone. I've gone hiking with Justin and I know I Know what that feels like Well, I think it's I think it's a part I think it's important to know too though that There is there is some value in Occasionally doing that of course there I mean I always refer back to the conversation that we had with dr. Andy Galpin when he talks about that There is value to pushing beyond your limits and stretching your capacity like that But you know, not when it's your every day you show up to the class is like that or every day I think there's a psychological benefit to it, right? Sure that what they call it type 2 fun In fact that hiking with Justin's a great example like while I'm doing it I know like this is a little excessive Afterwards, I'm like that was definitely excessive, but I'm glad I did it that one time and I'll wait till next year to do it again Very sparse every single time dude speaking of you know, just hard-ass people my grandfather You know my grandfather right just turned 90 and he's just awesome He's just a horse this guy and he's 90 So he's got you know, obviously 90 year old, you know physical issues although He's sharp as hell like he's lost zero Cognitive ability well, that's great, but he fell the other day, right? So he's so he's at my aunt's house so him and my grandmother are staying with my aunt and now they're pretty much They're in a situation now where they they don't really live on their own anymore. They need kind of assistance Yeah, and my grandmother uses a walker and all that stuff But my grandfather still he's on his own sometimes he was a cane But yet the other day yesterday was it no two days ago. He felt this is the story, right? So he tells me so yesterday go visit him because he fell and he's like so little I had so much energy that day He goes I washed the car. I did the yard work. I felt like I was 70, you know, and I'm moving around this Yeah, it's exact word, right? I feel like you know, and I'm Dan said I feel like a horse, you know And then he go but what happened was he goes to like there's some steps to get into I think the front of the house And he missed one of them fell forward on his face and now this guy I Swear to God he's they don't make him like this anymore, right? He falls on his face cuts his nose. That's it and now it's not it's not cool, right? He had to get stitches didn't break his nose didn't knock no teeth out never breaks a bone This is like the third time he's taking a spill and he's a tall guy my grandfather Well, now he's shorter because you shrink a little bit right as you age But he's six one which is a pretty tall for a Sicilian especially his generation So he falls and he doesn't break anything which is kind of cool But anyway, he's got these stitches on his nose and so I went to go visit him Jessica made some some food for the family. So I brought him some food and I'm talking about balance And he's like my balance just isn't good anymore. It's not what it used to be And I'm explaining to him like no no I said a lot of the balance issues that you have are because you're losing strength You have to work on getting stronger and he's like well I go walking all the time I said I know but we need to do more like strengthening exercises So I showed him a couple things to do and then I told him about about Luna. I said yeah I said, you know, you can have Someone come here. You can have a physical therapist come here You don't have to leave the house because he will not go to a clinic There's no way in hell my grandfather will drive somewhere to go have somebody work on him Yeah, especially, you know, he speaks broken English. He's like forget it So said they'll come here and they'll do exercises with you at your house Your insurance will cover it and you'll get stronger I said even if you just do once a week and so I think he's gonna be on board which is good So I'm happy to see that because I was I was actually speaking of Luna I was actually talking to my best friend just a couple days ago and He was like the first person I thought of when we first got introduced to Luna Because he's he was the roommate I had when he finished his his PT stuff And he was doing he was doing physical therapy while we were living together So I got to learn a lot about the ins and outs of their business And I remember when they started to transition into home health care And then he started to move in that direction So of course he was like the first person I sent Luna to them like hey dude check this out Have you heard of them yet? And he's like no I haven't but seems really cool I've got a lot of questions whatever he hits me up just a couple days ago And he goes bro guess who came into our our meeting for our department meeting To talk to us with them like who I have no idea because it's weeks later or what are months later Right, we've since we've talked about Luna together and he's like Luna He's like we've we're now being told that if there's patients That we can't service right now the to refer them to Luna and their doctor and then they'll get How come to you he also was enlightening me too on like how how Because now he understood they actually gave a whole presentation right and better than I could probably present it And so he was kind of saying like bro. This is gonna be this is gonna completely disrupt the space He's all there's no downside. That's the crazy. That's yes What you say he says it's everybody wins in this the insurance company wins They save the patient wins the pt wins It's like he's all the physical therapists make more make more money. Do less paperwork insurance save money And then the and then the patients get better service because they don't have to go on multiple levels So the patient gets better service because they have a qualified person comes up in addition to that What happens with insurance because it's so expensive to go to do like the in play in house type of Health care and stuff that like places like Kaiser super strict. They will not like approve You have to my buddy was saying I have to he says I have to write like a novel to get approval for more than six sessions He goes that's kind of like the standard You had surgery you get six sessions of physical therapy you then You they kick him out basically after that. Wow He goes unless there's something like they just they this person can't walk yet Or they're really really bad and he goes and then even to get that I have to jump through all these hoops to do that So he's like but home health care Because it's so cheap. Oh insurance will cut you 30 30 30 visits. No big deal. He's just like nothing They'll write a check for that all day long. I don't see how it can't completely distract While yeah, the other the other part that I think is is huge is If you're just a fitness fanatic, you're not injured you tear anything But you have shoulder pain when you bench you have a little back pain. Oh, I can't squat anymore Nine out of ten times people like that would never go to their doctor and ask for physical therapy Imagine if you're a trainer, you know, and like that was something that like, okay It was a little outside of your scope of of being able to help them and like being able to have that as a service to now Add in you know to get them to rehab and then bring them back into you know The the gym would be amazing. Not only that they won't approve that No, they won't that's part of why he's like, dude You he's like right now if I have somebody if they do not have like an acute injury Or a doctor's been like you have to go to physical therapy Then even if you think you want it or it would be extremely beneficial to you. You ain't getting that's what I was telling my aunt That's why this is so sick. That's what I was telling my aunt She's like, well, okay. Well, we got to go his doctor and get her no I said no no you go to the the site that get luna.com. It's direct You don't have to go through your primary care. They'll send someone to you and your insurance covers it also People who are just fit and healthy like I tell you what if you have pain or dysfunction, but you're not injured Regardless of that the best one of the best people you can go to is a really good physical therapist There's some of the best movement specialists. You'll find anyone in the world In fact, that's where I learned a lot of my stuff I had a pt work in my wellness studio for years And I used to just eavesdrop and watch and listen and I learned So much from that application and how good she was so great about having a best friend That was my best friend and roommate for so long as I got to be there through his schooling And we would come home after and especially early on when I was so You know, you remember being a trainer early on you were so excited about your job We talk about patients and clients and stuff like that. He gave me so many resources So before I even got my corrective exercise specialist, I had a pt living at home with me and I come back He said bro, I got this client. This is going on with their hip one of that I mean, oh do this do that look for this. I'm like, oh, shit. I didn't even think like that You know, so hey, so the other day, uh, I was on I got interviewed by uh, jason calipa So jason calipa has me on it now hasn't aired yet. Um, look, by the way, I love the guy just want to give him a shout out Um, really really one of the one of the better people. I think he's a great guy in the fitness space Yeah, just just a great attitude really really nice guy, but anyway He was asking me about Mind pump and mind pumps like ultimate kind of goals And I remember when we first started the podcast one of the main goal was and we said this a million times To kind of change the the direction of the fitness industry a little bit kind of change the conversation And get people to you know, communicate fitness the right way type of deal Now another thing has really started to pop up, especially since we started working with nci, which is to Be an example and I thought this was really I thought this was really cool because he he agreed with this To be the example for other fitness influencers and trainers and coaches To show them that you can talk about fitness the right way with integrity Communicate the right stuff and still be Successful because I think one of the main motivations behind why new trainers and coaches Say and sell stuff the wrong way is because they see the successful people in our space who do who make money And they all do it the wrong way. So they think okay the the formula is Sell bullshit supplements sell, you know, baloney, you know weight loss You know challenges tell people that they're gonna, you know hammer them for 30 days High volume super intensive programming for this totally generalized Yeah, and if you're a trainer and you're trying to build your business you're you know And you think you're looking at these people like that person successful That must be the best way to sell and be the best message And so I said what we're trying to show people is No, you could sell you could tell someone it takes a year to lose 30 pounds And it's going to take a lot of big changes in your life and still be successful Yeah, and he loved that I it's just a slower process it takes longer Which is it's ironic because you're trying to tell coaches that and they know that that's the way they're supposed to train their clients See the for the best so I know it's it's it's funny that that's how we think and along those lines Right, so we got into more of the business of mine pump and we don't share this too much on the podcast But I did tell him that we also do side investments And you asked me what the main goal of the side investments were and I was very honest And I said obviously, you know when you invest on the side, you're trying to grow your wealth And that's obvious I said but really for us It's we don't want to be put in a corner to where we have to at some point compromise our integrity In or lose, you know our livelihood like okay, and that happens to a lot of people Where they're in a position remember we were talking off air imagine how And I don't know what I would do right so imagine I still worked at 24 our fitness And you know making good money there. I have a mortgage a family I'm the main breadwinner of the of the family and All of a sudden 24 our fitness mandates vaccines for me to go out and I have to do it Yet I feel oh, I don't need to do it. I've already had it I already feel like I have antibodies, but then they tell me I have to I'd be putting this predicament on like it doesn't matter what I believe or not I would probably well, that's what's happening right now right wide scale, but even if you go to something less Controversial which probably happens all the time in gyms. Let's say you work in a gym You're a trainer and the gym that you work under sells some bullshit supplement. I don't know branching amino acids All right, but we here's your quota You need to sell 500 dollars worth of branching amino acid supplements Every single month and you know that it's a complete waste of money if people are eating adequate protein But your boss is saying I don't care You need to sell this bullshit supplement You know a lot of you know many trainers get put in this position Where they have to sell crappy workout programs or they have to sell some supplement They don't believe in and I I I'm for us I'm very proud of the fact that we don't have to do anything They could they could shut us down if they want we're going to be okay And that's really the main reason that we do these side investments is so that we could always Do what we want and if somebody ever tells us sorry, you got to say it this way We could tell them to fuck off. Well, it's also why I tell other entrepreneurs in our space too how important it is that you acquire Real estate on all these platforms by real estate. I don't mean actual houses I mean like like real estate as far as a footprint in twitter on instagram and facebook on youtube on email list like You really should diversify your portfolios and really it's about what Especially in the climate we're in right now because you have no idea if all said, I mean How many people do you think I mean we estimated it right or someone pulled up the someone pulled the stats on this I mean how many people lost millions of dollars with facebook? Yeah, I mean you have this platform That's funny because people they because you don't own it no You're like, oh, I have this business. It's so successful. Do you though really? I mean if if 80 percent of your revenue is coming from this one single platform that you don't own and control Do you really own your business or do you technically kind of work for them? Dude when lane okay, so lane norton right good friend of ours One of the better voices in the fitness space although sometimes a bit angry He he at some point a while ago people had because you know, he he gets aggressive He gets aggressive with how he attacks bullshit And I know sometimes that brings him negative attention and I guess a group of people got together And would and complained instagram because you could do you could report on instagram that someone's I don't know Whatever offensive or whatever and a bunch of people did this and almost got his instagram shut down And he had to go fight it and everything but I remember talking to him and he goes bro He goes my instagram accounts for such a large percentage of my revenue That that would devastate me if I got shut down even for a week Yeah, because of all the stuff and so that that's exactly to your point You like you don't want to be in a position where you're screwed You don't all of your eggs in that one basket. Totally dude. Tell me you guys watch the Dave chappelle speaking of which That you just made me think about it because of the conversation that he you know, you know how hard they're trying to get him black That was the hardest I've seen him go So I started seeing like I don't I didn't even know he had a new special And I started seeing stuff all over social media again of like cancel Dave chappelle cancel Dave chappelle Well, because he was in a three Three special contract with netflix and so this sort of honored that that last one. I didn't know that. Yeah Oh, I didn't know that but did you when he opens it right? What does he say? Hey, I'm not going to be doing this for a long time. Yep And I'm going to go hard and he did go hard lived up to what he uh, was cautioning You know what I love about him too By the way, he puts his money where his mouth is he doesn't give a fuck if you want to cancel him go ahead I mean he canceled himself No much money he left on the table one of the purest comedians still left Do you guys remember when he left the chappelle show 50 million or something he left on the table Yeah, to cut it out because you don't like the way things were going no He's gone from good to great to brilliant That's literally how I feel his trajectory of his career has been because I've always been a fan of Dave chappelle He wasn't my favorite comedian though 10 15 years ago, but his last like three to four I mean each one of them He's continued to bring a whole nother level of brilliance to his art. I mean he's always been Amazing and an artist But shit dude his his delivery what he what I noticed and I've noticed this on the last two or three More than any of his other material before he takes you on this intelligent ride where you don't know If he's about to Crack a joke on your beliefs or side with you. You don't know and so you have this kind of weird angst like I want to laugh, but is he shitting on me right now or not? But it makes you think So no matter what side of the fence you're on with that topic. He's discussing He does it in such a a a tactful way. He's very calculated. Oh, it's it's so brilliant that I mean I would think that he has a pretty good Left-right, you know audience that listens. I think he does such a good job I mean, he's definitely He definitely ruffled it some serious feathers because like of just, you know, some of the wild wild content in there that, uh, you know Some people will have that knee-jerk reaction like oh like but he shits on everybody, you know The thing is is like nobody, uh, you know any class of people anything like is up for grabs So it's just like that's that's just pure comedy when, uh, you know, nobody is up on this little pedestal Like everybody has gets their shot. Yeah, but I don't I don't even feel like he um Like he so much that he's like takes jabs at like everybody. He like He goes after very sensitive topics that everybody seems to be scared to talk about Gaslighting on one side or the other And he tells a really good story And I mean he makes it compelling. He makes it funny as shit and he really makes you think about your own views on that topic Well, what you nailed it on the head by saying brilliant because I I love comedy for obviously because it's funny But I also like watching comedians who are so smart That they can talk about third rail topics that I mean real third rail topics Right, but do it in a way to where you're like, wow, that was That was funny and interesting and oh my goodness, you know He does that better than anybody like bill bill burr is hilarious. I love bill burr. Yeah, and he hammers people too But Dave chappelle goes so hard and says shit that you're never supposed to Dave makes you think bill and bill burr is one of my favorites you bill is, uh, shocking off funny Oh, shit. He just said that like that where Dave you he gets you catches you going Oh, fuck. I never I never thought of it like that. Well, you're laughing and you're also thinking like that Really different perspective you didn't see coming So good. I mean his his uh, he's got to be one of the greatest his his his point of view with the the the transgender community and then The the like white and black separation thing and how that has divided itself I just I had never thought of it from that perspective before and what was that interesting to me Brilliantly is he took two sides that you're you're not supposed to you're not supposed to question And you're not supposed to be against right? That's that's the politically correct. Uh, I guess, uh, you know position and then pits them against each other and now you're left with, uh What do I do like what do I say? Which is really really smart Now the funny thing to me is that people are trying to cancel Him first of all good luck. Yeah second of all Comedians are supposed to be untouchable Like they're supposed to be untouchable unless they suck if they suck nobody buys pays You know pays for tickets or whatever that's fine But they're supposed to be that way in fact that's that's like historically for thousands of years If the king was executing his gestures That's what you knew the shit was about to hit the fan because it was only the gesture That was the whole goal the gestures goal like the whole point of one Was to say things that nobody else could say and poke fun at the king and poke fun at the And say what a lot of people are is probably like they're dealing with that in their own minds Right trying to make light of that shit, right? You know conversations maybe behind closed doors or whatever it's like, you know I know like this thought is out there and let's let's see what that looks like and see how to kind of Present it in a way where it just makes you think about like multiple perspectives not just one that like You know predominantly, you know has the power position right now Yeah, now name name a person that you would you would rather smoke a joint with uh over Not many dude I'm telling you. He literally he he catapulted into brilliance, dude He went from good to great to absolutely brilliant. I would love and you know, it's by the way Have you ever seen him on shows where he's not performing? But he's just kind of like there was one with uh David Letterman. He had a great conversation Yeah, and then there was if you didn't see that there was one with Seinfeld where they're kind of hanging out And you can tell he's a deep thinking different kind of person like when he's on stage. He's way more charismatic way more Offstage, he's got this kind of interesting and I kind of feel like that's the big change that I've seen in his career is that uh I guess he he used to be like more dramatic and more Oh goofy where I feel like he's like he's talking to you now And you can you can feel the confidence. It's got so much weight and it's important Yeah, you know, he's an important voice. You know who was like that. What's that one comedian carlin? Oh, yeah, george carlin. Yeah, he was like that Yeah, where he you reach that pinnacle of comedy where you could do that Like at first you're just funny and then you get so good because he's been doing this for how many how many years now Decades, right? Yeah, that you get to that like that wasn't a that's what's so sick too about chapelle I know we're sitting here pumping his tires like crazy like like he literally that was a uh A completely brand new set like a lot of comedians, right? You listen like I've listened to bill burr enough times that like There's like recycled jokes that always kind of make it into another show It's like rare now if you've heard someone enough of someone's material that you've hear a whole set That is like nothing like another one and and what ends up happening a lot of times is that's kind of when Comedians start to go down is they they had they hit a couple like home run jokes. They know they're smart They keep that in there all the time They go completely away from that and they just ain't got it anymore where His set was nothing you had heard before it was literally All about the last year almost of his life and him just kind of communicated that and then finding comedy In these very serious god just I mean there's not a lot of times I'll watch a stand-up like that And I want to turn right back around and watch it again I mean I want to watch it with you guys even after I've already seen it Now speaking of goats, right Tesla do you guys hear about ilan musk the big move? Yeah, austin officially now moving from california to austin now This is shocking to me because like why would you move from the highest taxed most regulated? Mandated vaccines and all your employees and everything else shut down his factory and all that stuff like I leave people are So why would you want to leave do people are so funny like it's an ego play. Well, it's the smart business play Let's be quite honest like this state is so terrible with that kind of stuff And now he's moving his business over there and they're moving all their jobs Do you have do you have any idea on the estimation on what california loses in tax and then also employs when he does that? No, I don't know any any idea That's a good question Yeah, I wonder I would be interesting to see like the the top 20 companies per se that actually contribute to Uh california's tax. Well, didn't we lose a seat of representation? That was being talked about. I don't know if we have yet not yet, but we might yeah california is bleeding It's bleeding residents to first time ever a lot of other states So and it's not that's not good. You know why it's not good the majority didn't want it to change I know because thank you everybody You know why it's not a good thing because for all intents and purposes just if you look at the state of california You can't find a more perfect physical location in place to live than california I'll compare california to any state in the country There it's not too hot not too cold. We got mountains and snow. We got the ocean We have incredible desert. We have the desert. We have incredible You know hiking and biking and it's just it's an incredible place to live It's not an island like hawaii's. You're not trapped. You could go to different places It's it's a gorgeous Incredibly beautiful state. I mean here in the bay area The weather is so mild That you know that you know how a lot of people don't know this now most houses now in sandals They have air conditioning but but for a long time. They didn't because yeah, although it does get hot One week out of the year. That's it. Yeah, it cools down at night It's like incredible right and here I can drive to the I could drive the beach or the mountains within a few hours I can see snow and ocean right you guys see the new uh, it just actually just came out So funny talk about california the new uh medium house price in uh, california No All of california include the valley which is but with even the the poor and by the way that you because you get the Start at we have the greatest discrepancy, right? Oh, yeah, so I mean it's two different states We have the yeah the wealthiest, but then we have some of the poorest areas in in our in our state So of course those poorest areas are going to bring down the average of the super So the average statewide is 800 k. Wow Wow Now that well on you said median or average which one because it's different Uh, I think the article I should look it up was uh median. Yeah, so it's probably media So median is just the middle number averages you add them all up and then divide by you know the total so that can be two different But 800,000 is the median. Yeah in that wild that That's ridiculous and I think I want to say the rest of the country is like 240 It's between 240 and maybe duck can look that up now. Here's the crazy thing. I've lived here my whole life Okay, my entire life. This was the conversation that people would have my my entire life people would be like There's no way it could keep going up. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's the house prices aren't going to go up. Are you serious? That's what's going to be unaffordable. Guess what? Watch me try. They keep going up, dude It's it's crazy and it hasn't slowed down at all. No, you know now speaking of california. Obviously the tech Uh, still I guess one of the tech capitals of the world Did you guys see I think it was google executives, uh, what they were saying about ai Did you guys see this whole I mean, I've been following ai advancement, uh, quite Quite a lot, but I had did not see this is a recent article. Yeah, so okay, so a guy mo got got taught gawd at is his name formally the chief business officer For google's moonshot organization, which was called google x at the time Issued a warning in the times in it. He says that he believes that artificial intelligence Uh is basically Is basically gonna it's like the terminator and it's inevitable. He's saying that what we're building This is coming from an executive at google. Yes. He's he's awesome He said basically he was part of one of the people that was working on this and he said this is his quote And I suddenly realized this is really scared. I've created skynet and it can and it completely Froze me. He goes the reality is we're creating god And he's giving this warning come on who? Right here. Yeah, bro. Give me some credit. Hey when we're all when we're all about to get destroyed. Yeah, I told you guys We were creating the antichrist with the computer. Yes, dude artificial intelligence. By the way, it's not creating god You're creating satan. That's what you're creating with. Yeah with ai. Yeah, I don't know I don't know if I subscribe to that like I don't know. I don't think that uh, I mean I definitely think we have to do a lot of other things first before we get to something that actually would be able to be Smarter than us and actually kill all of us off or that would even have that desire to do that Like there's so many more levels. That's the big and I feel like that's a big question. Would it want to? Yeah, it wouldn't want to maybe you know, here's the okay So here's the the gist of what do they call the singularity? I don't know Look at all how the all the algorithms are pitting everybody against each other Yeah, you know like we may kill ourselves first. That's what I mean or or that's the mo to me That is the but we will implode that's all part of this whole like software, you know technology artificial intelligence Everything is like moving in that direction even further. Well, here's here's another angle Let's say scientists are like, okay, we're getting close to the singularity, which essentially this is the gist of it Technology that becomes smart enough to create technology better than itself at that point It's going to accelerate so fast. We can't even I thought we already have that I thought a computer can actually make already a super can't invent Things smarter than itself once that happens forget about it like like all all bets are off We don't know what the hell's going to happen, right? But here's here's another angle People are saying well, what if scientists just made sure to program these AI machines to always Protect and take care of humans Okay, now you got this AI that's super intelligent That's rapidly evolving faster than we can even keep track of they decide what's protecting and they decide that the biggest That would not be a good program. I'm gonna put you to sleep Right, what if it looks at us and says the biggest threat to humans is humans? And then it's like everybody in your bubble locked in your home in a few ciphers We're gonna feed you don't worry. We'll give you everything you need. We'll plug into the matrix So you'll be happy or it's food the average person's overeating by X amount We're gonna restrict food this okay the matrix dude I guarantee because they'll keep us around but safe in a nice bubble where we're just you know, not breathing real toxic air You know, and we're all just like living in this simulation Yeah, or and you know what you wouldn't even know dude because it would plug you in and you'd forget everything that happened And you'd just be right now. Yeah, it could have happened already Hey, I'm gonna pinch myself speaking of conspiracies. Justin sends the most disturbing fucking video What the hell was that? Oh, I saw that the guys didn't see this Okay, so there was like a video that's been starting to circulate. Uh, I don't know where it came from It looks like it might have come from like Mexico or something, but they're they were like Um showing this this human pig looking That's what it was right feature, which again, so we've heard about the the Human pig embryos that they've been experimenting with you know another labs, you know elsewhere I'm China probably but um It like this was actually A little pig that had like the most disturbing looking face and it had like a little tongue out And it's like it looked like an old man's face and in this tongue kind of hanging out was like And they're like showing it off Yeah, so yeah This is one of those things where I think like we have this like weird animal deformity and then it just Yeah, it's like a mutant pig, but it kind of looks like a person Because it has a little bit of a look like a person and that this is how this stuff goes viral Like look what we're doing in labs right now and then everybody starts freaking out. That's my that's my theory It's like that one picture. Did you ever see um, and they think that it's just like a hairless Um raccoon that that was near New Jersey. I think that was a troupe of cobras. They thought it was Yeah, they thought it was like some lab-created Uh monster, you know, but it just it turns out like it looks really freaky when you have a Raccoon with just in its skin, you know, yeah what loses all of its hair Yeah, they look I had a beak and everything and it was like really creepy looking but it was yeah You know why that's always pigs, right? Well, they're always talking about like working with pigs and humans because the From what I've read pig organs or in particular pig heart is very similar to human heart. So theoretically you could grow Human hearts in pigs and then take them out and use them for humans, you know So we could grow A bunch of human pigs and then when we need the parts the closest genetically right that we could we could start messing with You have to be so torn between like wow how amazing that potentially could be right could potentially save lives But then where are we going with this right like that? What happens when the pigs escape? You know what I'm saying I just hey hey, I just picture the pigs are smart enough to like say to talk Save me I'm hey listen, I'm sorry, dude. We need your heart right now. You gotta kill you. Sorry. Please don't oh my god. That's a nightmare They're just squealing all night. All right. I gotta change. I gotta change subjects Dude, I swear to god, bro. You send that and you know what the worst part about this by the way I gotta tell the audience is it's the first fucking thing I see this morning When did you send that late last night? Yeah late last night. That's what I saw it, dude I had to sleep after that ruin ruin my morning. I woke up. It's awful, dude It's this little pig human baby. Why? Oh, it's terrible. Yeah. Anyway, I'm gonna I'm gonna go a different direction So, um, I've been reading about the potential application Now this is there's no studies to support this. All right, but there's just some I've been reading about I've been speculating myself the potential application of blue light blocking glasses to help with anxiety because anxiety can be triggered or Amplified through physical feelings, right? So you can take caffeine If you're anxious and feel more anxious because you get those physical physical effects Blue light, especially a lot of it can be very stimulatory to the body So wearing daytime blue light blocking glasses, which don't completely block blue light because that would make you tired and want to go to sleep But block enough to protect your eyes and cause less damage Also, could theoretically cause a more calm focused state rather than too much anxiety I don't think that's a far reach at all. No, I think it makes I think it makes I'm right now. There's not there's not, you know, I try those blue. Are those Felix. Yeah, Felix rays. What do you know what frame that is? Uh, I think not the Nash, but uh, it says it on the inside of the frame. Yeah, let me see I think it's Jameson. I think you Jameson Of course you get the whiskey one There was a there's a new frame that Katrina just ordered that so I always got the Nash, which was like the smaller frame Yeah, um, but I think they have a new one I think it's carver is uh, even smaller than that like so if you have like a narrow face Or a beak face like salad Bro you come at my huge fat face I need like big old like grandma glasses Like ski goggles You guys carry these All right, hey, what Justin, what was that article you were gonna talk about with the robot at home thing? I just wanted to put this out there I message him ahead of time so it's not like I'm totally He keeps double downing on this. I yeah, I am. I'm already fully I'm all in you have to be okay So we'll put this we'll put this so you guys can see like there is a legit robot already the restroom cleaning Yeah cleaning bathrooms and it like has Uh a way that I like sprays the floors it like vacuums, you know it afterwards it like hoses everything down It it cleans super cool not impressed with it towards the argument Works and put in the how many steps does it take to go from the industrial version of that to the retail? Well, I mean again We we already we already have that we can already take a rocket from here to the moon And we already have enough seats that people can be on it So that's like the same argument right? It is like the technology is there to get it done But it's like the practicality of actually having Normal people go to the moon or having a actual robot wait a minute. Are you mean that's are you really saying it's more practical To fly humans on a private rocket to the moon for a trip Than it is to have a remember remember you said regular people, right? Hey stop trying to diminish this this robot that has to actually do your dishes and put them in a dishwasher Because you you guys are making leaps with that shit, dude No, hold on. I'm on fire a robot that takes your dishes puts them in the dishwasher washes them and puts them away That's less practical than flying a bunch of private citizens giving him trips I don't know yet. That's what we're trying to bet on improve I believe I believe it will be more practical for us to be able to go to the moon and do that Than the reality I give you so many What's the Jetsons, uh, because that's what I want from you guys and until we get her we're not doing what's What's the Jetsons made what's her name? Oh, I forget dog. Come on. This is your generation I don't act like you didn't beat after her Every show had a robot. I've seen his his uh, his search engine Betsy. No, what's a bet? No, no, no, no, no, no, I will get it. What is put robot from the Jetsons. What a great show that was Oh, that was good. This is something Rosie the robot Rosie. No, is it Rosie? I don't know. It's different. It is Rosie. You know that over there Oh, I was gonna say you what did you I asked you something the other day And you didn't know what it was the line that I was talking about it from a movie I'm like, how's this guy not seen that line Andrews. Oh the back to the future line Yeah, how did you not know that Andrews? It is Rosie, huh? Yes Okay. All right. Okay. Hold on a second. So we're like this you're the one that keeps changing come on man You're saying now the robot has to wear an apron and walk around. That's not what I mean Okay, I mean, but I'm saying actually like what just Justin just sent some mechanical robot and that technology's been around I was doing that shit when I was in high school. Do you want a organic robot? They're all mechanical Well, I mean, I mean, but it had multiple functions like specifically for what you're asking it was cool No, it's not it's like literally it's blasting It's I would only nobody would let that clean your house would be nobody would let that shit in their house Dude, this thing is like literally Blasting it would do a way better job this and then it's spraying the chemicals all over the wall I'll give it to you like yeah, I'll I'll give it. I'll give this to you right now. I'm gonna go I'm gonna go harder on this bet I'll keep that original bet because I'm gonna win that for sure now It's not fair because now you're going you're getting ridiculous. I'm like you guys gonna have another side This is another side bet. Okay, we're gonna have fuck robots before we fly regular people to moon back and forth Well now that I actually think that comes before Oh, yeah, bro porn is always ahead of us and they had a brothel already with uh, yeah, dude I I wouldn't take that bet I I for like a full-on fuck robot. Yeah, we're not that far from that. Have you not been with us? Have you been on porn hub? What what do they have that? Yeah, dude, they're more like living dolls or yeah, I mean they're yeah dolls with facial expressions and Vaginas that are supposed to feel like real vaginas like all of that. Yeah. Yeah. No, I wouldn't take that bet They just lay there like Yeah, I I I see that happening before the the dishes and stuff like that Yeah, I'm thinking of the complexity. You're all the money and innovation is going to the fuck doll Well, no, the way I look at it is like we already have a lot of AI in in our lives already Okay, so it's I'm not looking for a you know, what are the fucking amazon things that you say Yeah, Alexa. I'm not looking for an Alexa thing that or a robot that rude mastery technology I'm looking for something that will have the dexterity to be able to grab a fork Wash it like you do and put it in a dish Well, that's going to be and then then grab a plate and then a pot and everything That's gonna be a lot harder than you think it is like a Boston dynamics robot, right? The ones that have like the dexterity they can jump they can backflip they can do and that's what it's going to take It's there it is there just like there's a rocket that goes to the moon. It's there. Yeah, okay So which one is going to happen first your average person cruising to the moon or us having these robots like you guys are talking about in your house You know one thing I love on a rosy robot. I love about the show. It's recorded. So this is all it's all documented I mean you guys can keep trying to change my mind, but until one of those happens I'm already I'm already I can't push any more of my chips in on this back. No, you can't but when it happens I swear to god. I'm gonna come to work in a t-shirt. Oh, we don't doubt. We don't doubt you will We don't doubt you will Doug's got a running tally. It's that you keep for him all the time. Make sure you let Adam know that was right again on that one Right there. I love you guys so much. Oh man. Anyway Hey, real quick. I hope you're enjoying the show. 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Well, they also got some decent muscle on their bodies compared to the average person I'm gonna admit that but here's what here's the thing that people need to stop doing Stop looking at the pinnacle of physical performance and then using that as proof or evidence of a particular Training methodology because here's what you're gonna find when you look at the top top level Of any sport whether it be endurance or strength or whatever They all have exceptional genetics exceptional genetics So if you took the average person and you got them to train like an iron man athlete They would not look like the top level. Well iron man. Okay. I I decided because I I don't even know where this person is coming from at all So I I decided to put iron man athlete in google and look at the images and i'm scrolling down right now And I don't see anybody Muscular here's what you need to understand is that we all have muscle even if you don't train your muscles You have muscle and if you get really really lean you see more of that muscle So the perception of them being muscular is that they're super lean. That's true more than anything else You don't see any buff iron man. No, they're ripped, but but lean. They're lean. It's not an advantage. Yeah Look at look at all the parts show me who in there would you define as muscular? Well, Doug look up I would say lean at best look up by the way if you're and I'm not this is not me shitting on any by any means It's me trying to clarify someone Misconstruing what a muscular the definition of what muscular is that I would not define that as muscular at all Doug look up world top ranked iron man athletes So we could get at least that because here's here's the thing that again. I want to make this case here At the highest levels of competition People have incredible ability incredible genetics to preserve muscle even if they're trying to take it off their body Okay, we're scrolling right now. We've seen already 30. I haven't seen one muscular person No, I yeah, I gotta agree. Yeah, I mean that some some have like some lean like defined arms But again, that's a 40 people 50 people how many more top ranked iron men and women do you need to see before? It's a terrible definition of them But to be fair they look different than the top the marathons runners Yeah, you know because they do they do incorporate more of the body cycling and they're swimming Yes, but yeah, so they build a little bit more muscle, but I'm gonna make this fast Which movement but again, I'm gonna make this argument you take the average person You have them trained just like a top level iron man athlete They probably won't look like that because when you're at that level You have the genetic ability to preserve muscle even when you try and take it off your body So yes, they're not jacked, but they have more muscle than I mean I get your point and you're right like your your point is it's it's I mean it's just like a bodybuilding like you should not look at bodybuilders And compare well, they only do they train this way or do this it's like dude They're all you're in an anomaly if you are the if you are on the Start it with a frame to build on Yeah, you know regardless if Annapal all that bullshit like that it takes a certain genetics to get to that level So I get your point. We're going I'm just saying that this to me This highlights more what we've shared before about being lean is I remember Okay, my whole career trying to get bigger and never being on a diet and cutting because I I didn't I never had a problem with being kind of leaner. I always couldn't get bigger And the first time I decided to get lean I got more your look huge and big compliments than I ever had in my life And that's just because you can see my muscle more and so it's I didn't get I didn't add any more muscle You just leaner. Yeah, here's a better comparison If you want to compare two similar sports one more aerobic and an endurance base sprinter versus Yes, yeah do a sprinter versus an endurance. They are buff now look at the difference for sure They're buff you look at a sprinter look at a long-distance runner and there's a dramatic difference huge how their bodies Yes sprinters are buff as shit. Yeah, and that's because they're not running for longer than about 30 seconds It's the same thing with those cycle Races where they sprint through and do those. Yeah, bro. There's their legs are huge. There's just one athlete I don't know his name His legs look ridiculous. It doesn't even make it looks like it looks like a Godzilla. It's insane looking yeah, but you know, okay, so this is the example I like to give to people because Trying to explain the range of genetic you know variants there is for Muscle building it feels a bit abstract because you can't necessarily see it Like just with people walk around and you can see it, but it's not as easy to see as like height is right? It's easy to see with height And if you think about the amount of times you've seen anybody in real life I'm talking about everyday life going to the grocery store going to the store, you know going to work Think of all the times in your life. You've ever seen anyone that was over seven feet tall Either a never in your life unless you went to an NBA game or b Once and you remember it. I literally one time in my life saw someone Aside from watching a pro game right saw a guy over seven feet I was at the airport and I remember looking and going that's a giant that it looks crazy It was probably an NBA player B. J. Armstrong and bill cart right came into my restaurant and it was just like It was like a giant. Yes like enter the building and that's one end of the extreme with height right on the other end of the extreme Right are people with you know dwarfism and then everybody else's most people are somewhere in the middle That's what it's like for muscle building those giants that are so rare. You never see them in real life That's how rare it is to have the muscle building genetics That produce the freaks that you see that you go. I don't want to look like that if I you know If I lift weights, I'm gonna end up looking like that. No, you won't you're not Because you the odds are you don't have that one in a billion Yeah, you know, I just think that this highlights more that perception of of what lean is that's what I think I think people and and that just shows you that's what's great about getting really lean if you've never leaned out And got to single-digit body fat like you will look more muscular So if you're it turns heads Yeah, so if you're somebody who's watching and listening and you've you're always trying to bulk because you already feel like Because I wish someone would told me that like sooner because I spent 10 years on a bulk You know thinking that I need to get bigger bigger bigger bigger the minute I decided to lean out and just get really shredded all of a sudden everybody thought I got bigger I remember I Like one of my ex-girlfriends telling me that like you're better off being skinny with abs than being big with no abs It was so pissed off about that because I just want to be big and I don't care Never subscribe That's a lie Pure lies Next question is from Danny Bartelt. What is the best way to even out the quads? Bulgarian split squats any unilateral exercise Train one side at a time and allow the weaker side to dictate the reps And the weight that you use on the stronger side. And you know, I'm going to take this even further Most people do not go through A two or four month training block where everything they do Is unilateral one of the best ways to improve your aesthetics Is to develop tremendous Symmetry and in studies support this by the way studies will show that people are considered beautiful Typically have incredible facial symmetry and this is true for the body as well The left to right symmetry and of course balance between upper and lower body Training one side at a time doing unilateral leg exercises unilateral arm exercises Really does develop kind of this this side to side symmetry and balance and then when you go back to your Double arm double leg exercises You do notice a profound effect on your stabilization And just how you feel how solid you feel with those lifts and it tends to break you past, you know, plateau I think you can make the case also for uh injury prevention Of course I think that as a trainer. I remember seeing a lot of that if you had some major discrepancy from left to right Um, that's you a lot of times had chronic pain You know, you have this chronic pain on the on that weaker side Because your body is not working together It's overcompensating on one side more than the other which Causes chronic pain a lot of it usually starts out like nice and subtle I know for me for instance, uh, just being stuck in traffic more often and having my foot on the pedal And then you know externally rotating My foot and and that's just like over time just You know continuously doing that same repetitive movement Goes up the kinetic chain. I started to feel on my knees start to fill it up into the hip Uh, and so to be able to address those individually To make sure that that everything is stabilizing properly and then everything's in better alignment that way Like unilateral training is so crucial to that. I'll give you a machine. That's great for this. Adam was big on this when we first Yeah single leg press. I love that for this. That's a great. I'm glad you brought it up for that It's like I I actually you know that I never leg press bilateral Once I once I like introduced more started training unilateral more often and I started to leg press like Because here's the way I looked at it was Most pretty strong people can leg press, you know, seven eight not impressive. Yeah, I don't even know how many plates I got up to I definitely could fill the whole thing up right to leg pressing which uh, you know As a kid that they were getting to that point. I thought it was so cool But it's just not practical I could do half the weight with one leg and get even of a better workout because I'm doing a single leg And I can keep my legs balanced by starting with my less dominant leg Let it dictate the reps that I do for that x amount of weight And then I also save a ton of time of unwrapping all that weight because unwrapping, you know 20 plates off the leg press machine just to look cool This is where you get like all these guys like jumping on top of it and yeah, you know, it's like this weird flex Go do one leg and you'll be like and that was like a goal for me was to get One leg at least caught up to half of what I could do with both and you'll be surprised For someone who never trains this way. You might be able to leg press 10 plates But I bet you can't do five. That's a good one leg. That's a really good point You I think people might assume that because they're using one side. They can do half That's almost never the case. So if you could bench press 200 pounds, you probably can't do 100 pounds with just one hand Now if you get to the point that's a good goal. Yes, then you go lift with two arms You feel so solid and connected and so stable. I noticed this with single leg deadlifts I did them for a while and then went to a traditional deadlift and it was like the bar felt I mean it felt so different and learning how to just anchor. So if it's anchoring your hips So they're still straight ahead, you know, it takes a lot of effort and a lot of core strength and stability Same with yeah, if you're doing that 100 pound dumbbell And trying to bench press that up like just to be able to maintain You know a rigid structure in your body is so massively beneficial once you go back to bilateral training Next question is from T. Cirque. How long to stick to a program? So Well depends on the program if they if they broke up if they have phasing Yeah, I was just gonna say what you want to think about is this is that you have your big program goal But then within your program, you should have changes to the workout to keep moving you in that particular direction So for example maps anabolic, right? This is our foundational workout program the main goal of maps anabolic is strength Muscle and then for those people who want fat loss metabolism boosting It's a very effective program for that But when you break the program down you have three phases and if you count pre-phase you have four phases In each phase is pretty different the different rep ranges different tempo different rest periods even different combinations Of exercises now each one of those phases though works towards that ultimate goal Now that all being said your big ultimate goal You probably ideally and this depends if i'm talking to an athlete It's going to be much longer like if you're a powerlifter then most the time you're training It's to get better at powerlifting But if your main goal is overall fitness overall muscle building and fat loss and health I think you should change the big goal probably every three four months is what I would say where you go from like max muscle building to Athletic performance and functionality to sculpting the body to correctional exercise I think that's the kind of a general but good advice right about three four months Yeah, this question also highlights to How and why we priced our programs the way we did so I remember when we first were you know Looking at on you're looking in the space as far as like what is the average online digital online program sell for low-end high-end and You know where what does it look like the average program online? You can find programs all day for like 27 to 59 dollars give her 30 day Yeah, but they're they're all like a single phase You know and then and you should be done with that after you shouldn't repeat that program over and over Where when we wrote the maps programs we wrote them with the intent you could potentially follow it over and over So it was not something that you had to do and move on from that You technically could do maps anabolic two or three four times in a row Because the way we phase you in and out now. I do think there's tremendous value in what you said is yeah After like three or four months. It's actually really good to even move on to another goal But you technically could stay in that that with that goal and actually continue especially for a beginner Who's really just starting to start their their journey You could run anabolic two three times in a row because of the way we built in the phasing Which is also why we priced it higher because it's almost like Three individual programs built into one exactly, but ideally right Just use our programs as an example. Ideally you would go like maps anabolic to maps performance to maps aesthetic, which is about Nine months right that gives you nine months of kind of workout programming And then like you said adam within each program There are individual phases, which technically you're right could totally be considered Workouts well then too like there's other Factors you know that go into play with that in terms of like when the joints inevitably start talking to you Okay, you're staying in the same plane a bit too long You're you're you're doing barbell training specifically exclusively a bit too long Um and all these things that aren't like you know coming back to to reinforce the integrity of of the joints And and really even like address that at all and so This is why we we do recommend like you know anabolic to performance then it's aesthetic too There's rhyme and reason behind the whole thing, but um, I think that If you're just like trying to figure all this out on your own It's quite a lot to consider like how are you going to weave that into your programming? And really account for that so you can still progress like we want to make sure you're still progressing And you're not going to hit that wall or hit a place where you know Your your shoulder is going to give out at you at some point because you know You've just been overwhelming it with a lot of stress. That's such a good point And I know I just said that you could technically run anabolic one of those programs two or three four times I don't know, but what happens to most people if you do that is exactly what you just said Yeah, because anabolic is is heavily dominated by bilateral movements and in the sagittal plane Almost everything in there and and doing that you really limit What the body is capable of doing and we when we wrote performance that was why it was because This is a good time to address this because I got a question recently In one of my stories about why performance. What was the logic behind performance after well? That's exactly the logic We we looked at it as if someone's training in just a sagittal plane bilaterally in Almost all their exercises for three months consistently Even if they're progressing beautifully and could technically do that again and continue to see Muscle building and fat loss goals. We think for overall optimization for like joint health and overall health It would be very wise to do some unilateral stuff Multiplane stuff do mobility work to complement that work before you move on to the another phase. So To that point. Yes, you could run our programs like but we thought about all of that when we wrote the aura of it And there is more to it than just oh, okay, you should train like a strong person. Oh, you should train like a mobile person Oh, you should train like a a static person. It's not just that basic there. We took into consideration All the the common things that you would see arise from training in one of those because inevitably what do you see you see Like like elbow sleeves knee sleeves like you see like wrist wraps like, you know All that stuff starts to kind of come into The sessions because just the inevitable happens where it just it's it's repetitive stress on the joints that just adds up The next question is from Rui Marquez Insta Is h and b worth it h m b you guys remember that supplement got All crazy and it was like all over the ads and stuff. Yeah, this was actually not one that I really got into really so Okay, so hydroxy methyl butyrate You could call it right? That's the that's what h and b stands for it's a metabolite an active metabolite of leucine the amino acid that is really closely tied to The anabolic effects of protein. So the more leucine Protein has the more anabolic it has now. I will say this if your protein intake side doesn't matter As much it's if your protein intake is below that, you know What studies will show to be the upper limit of where you'll get benefit from high protein Now, I remember when h and b was first came out It was eas that was really pushing it eas at the time also sold creatine now creatine is just it's the best Natural supplement just hands down that you can find it's it's good for you it works It builds muscle improves recovery It's got heart health benefits and cognitive benefits and it's just a great supplement all the way around And eas tried to kind of follow on the heels of creatine with h and b and I remember reading an article and this will haunt I think it'll haunt bill phillips till till forever Literally article said creatine is like d ball and h and b is like deca like he's trying to say You get explosive gains with with creatine and you'll get slow and consistent gains with h and b I and by the way studies show h and b To be great for presenting for excuse me preventing muscle breakdown In certain populations it helps with muscle building and strength So there are studies to show and support it. In fact, you know those inshore Like drinks that they give to old people or whatever They now will have h and b in them to help with old people to prevent muscle loss Now I've tried h and b At least a hundred times because of the studies and I've taken monster doses of it to make it work or whatever It does here's why it doesn't do shit because my protein intake is high It didn't do anything for me when I would supplement it because it didn't do much The value with h and b might be the similar value you'd find with branched amino acids Which is if your protein is low, then you may get some benefit from taking h and b Let's say you're vegan and you're not hitting your You know 0.8 grams of protein per pound of body weight because it's harder to do with with you know plant sources H and b might be beneficial to you Other than that it's just it's it's one of those supplements that didn't even come close to to meeting the hype Have either of you heard uh lane speak on this before he's someone who I'd love to hear talk about h and b He says lucine just do lucine because lucine has been shown to do the same Yeah, I know that's that his thesis was on that So I imagine that he would have a really intelligent answer to if you compare lucine to h and b in Similar studies you find that it doesn't make a difference Except for h and b is way more expensive h and b is a much more expensive A supplement I can see benefit in some populations like I said low protein Yeah, but then even then why that why not just take lucine then uh Exactly why not just give them lucine so or it's so it's really worthless because even Even where it has some value there's a product that's cheaper and would do as good of a job if not better Yeah, so that to me that's enough to the one time I saw some benefit I was taking I don't remember the dose. I was like three grams three times a day Which is way higher than you're supposed to so i'm not advocating for this I do like to experiment on myself with supplements And it was during a period where I was cutting really aggressively And my protein intake even wasn't high enough because my calories were so low And then I felt like I got a little bit of a of a benefit But it never it never added up to the cost of buying all this freaking h and b that I took So it's it's one of those supplements that I just say You know, you're probably look here's the deal if your protein intake is low and you want to take amino acids To help preserve your muscle by branching amino acids way cheaper They're high in lucine right one of the branching amino acids is lucine Typically a good branching amino acid supplement will have like a 2 1 1 ratio So, you know the highest amino acid is lucine than isoleucine and valine so 2 1 1 And that'll do what the h and b is going to do and it's much cheaper or your better option is increase your protein intake take a protein powder which gives you all the amino acids And has all the benefits of of preserving muscle But yeah, this is one of those supplements that It was the marketing was so heavy behind it in the 90s and the early 2000s Like they spent so much money marketing it and it absolutely never lived up like I've heard of it But also I got it confused. What's the other one called? That's like a muscle relaxer. It's like a drug H it's something like that has it sounds like h and b but You guys come on you guys You're the drug guys It's be like a muscle relaxer. Yeah I don't know. I have no idea Is it a prescription drug or is it like no, no, it's illegal. I think yeah, it's legal illegal. Oh, it's illegal Oh, I don't know Everybody's looking at him. Adam. What are the illegal? Well, shit, I'll never know I mean, how do you measure it in grams and ounces? Wasn't there a okay. I can now I can't remember it Wasn't there a drug that used to be sold? Yeah, I know this for a fact I just don't remember the name It used to be sold It's gonna bother me in supplement stores because it raised growth hormone and then people would take it before going to bed And it would help them sleep. Yes methoxybolic. No. No, no, no, it's not bro It's like party. Yes. Oh to yes. Oh you're talking about Um, uh, here we go. I got so I have some of that somewhere gh No, not gh that's growth hormone. That's the no, no, no, it's called. It's called. It's the acronym is still gmb or gmhb That's what it is Give me the gmb gh. I remember uh, god, I remember my first experience trying that stuff That's of gnarly. It's it is it's like it's not at all like hmb. Yeah Yeah, it's totally different. No g. Okay. So gh so that's supposed to help you get into your, uh, your, um, REM sleep. Yeah, your REM sleep faster like you instantly go into my new bodybuilder and I remember my first I'll never forget the first. Please don't take don't do it. Yeah, we're not right Just because I'm telling you a drug story gamma hydroxybutyrate. There you go. Yeah ghp, right? So what I mean, what okay, that's the What it what exactly is it, uh, derived from and like what is it used for? Is it used for anything right now? But like like the Practice I know what it is on the black market used for but what is it used for? Oh, yeah I heard it was like used for like cleaning computers and shit. Oh really? Yeah It's a central nervous system Depressant that is common commonly referred to as a club drug Or date rape. Yeah, but bodybuilders would use it to get into their their REM sleep as fast You could and I remember the first time that I I tried this I was at my house I remember I was scared to death to try it and I had a buddy that was pure pressure me to do it And I'm easily pure pressure to try drugs and so I go, okay I'll try this out because it's just me and you and what's safe, right? So I take it. Oh, no, it was a dangerous He pressured you We used to be friends so Where's my pants what happened was, uh, I passed out on the couch afterwards It just fell asleep and he came back He went to the bathroom or something We were watching tv he was late at night and he went to the bathroom He comes back and him coming back into the living room startled me enough to wake up and I woke up And I thought I slept through the whole night like I thought was a I went. Oh my god And I just felt so rested and it felt it literally felt like a full night's sleep And I thought it was like early in the morning like five or six in the morning And it had only been like 20 minutes And he's like I was like how long you've been gone for he's like I just went to the bathroom I came back and I'm like what yeah, that's what it felt like Bro, they used to sell this at supplement stores in the 90s I believe the early 90s and it would because it raised growth hormone and they sold it as something to help you sleep By the way, this will kill you. Yes. You take too much very very dangerous. You take too much You go to sleep. You don't wake up. Yeah, and it was I mean I was the I experimented with like a little tiny cap full Yes, so small Yeah, and then people are like, oh, this is fun to take at the club because you feel like you're drunk That's what I heard. It's kind of fun. You know, it's no alcohol and my friend told me Yeah, I don't know any I've never used it before But anyway, it's that's crazy to sell it as a supplement and now it's one of these, you know, whatever But it's not hmb not even close Justin don't try little sidetrack there. Don't try bring it home. Look if you like mind pumps information, especially our fitness information Head over to mind pump free calm mind pump free calm has all of our free guides that can help you build muscle Or burn body fat or improve your fitness Also, you can find all of us on instagram. So justin is at mind pump justin You can find me at mind pump sal and adam at mind pump adam