 Bill Noves has supported independent tech news directly for five years. Be like Bill, become a DTNS member at patreon.com slash DTNS. This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, April 9th, 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Feline, I'm Sarah Lane. And from the shores of Finland where it's late and I'm tired, I'm Patrick Bejo. And on the safety of dry land, I'm the show's producer, Roger Cheng. We're going to start practicing the intros, guys. Come on. Snap, snap. Let's get through that. We got robots. We got AI. We have crypto, Firefox, Apple rumors, 3D printed robots, drone delivery of golf clubs. It's all in today's show. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. We got a lot of cloud announcements from the Google Cloud Next conference. Launching out of beta is Anthos, Google's platform for managing hybrid clouds that combine local data centers with Google Cloud but can also run on AWS and Azure. Google also signed partnerships with seven open source companies and announced new regions in both Salt Lake City and Seoul, South Korea. Dropbox unveiled a feature that lets businesses, users work with Google Docs, Sheets and Slides without having to leave Dropbox. And in non-Google Cloud News, Slack announced new integrations with Microsoft Office 365, including a new Outlook calendar and a mail app and an updated OneDrive app and Office file previews within Slack. At its AI day, Qualcomm announced the Snapdragon 665, 730 and 730G chips. The Snapdragon 730 gets the computer vision processor that allows for 4K HDR with portrait mode and depth sensing at 60fps. The Snapdragon 730G now has 15% faster graphics rendering, allowing for HDR content. And the Snapdragon 665 has telephoto, wide-angle, and super wide-angle cameras, supports 4K video at 30fps, depth sensing, and 3D face unlock. All three chips will come to devices by mid-2019. Butter cut the number of accounts that users can follow from 1,000 per day to 400 in an effort to prevent spammers from following then unfollowing accounts in a bulk aggressive or indiscriminate manner, which is against Twitter rules, but still happens. Twitter also recently updated its reporting tools to let users report spam, like fake accounts, and added new security measures around account verification and sign-up. Firefox is adding crypto mining and fingerprinting blocks to the beta and nightly versions of Firefox and it should arrive in the stable version in three weeks. Crypto mining is where a site possibly, without your knowledge, loads code into your browser that mines cryptocurrency. You might want to know about that ahead of time. Fingerprinting is using data about your browser, fonts, OS, and other details to try to track you. So Firefox is using scripts from the folks at disconnect.me to block both types of content. All right, let's talk about those Apple predictions. I would call them. Ming-Chi Kuo's got a pretty good track record on this stuff. What does he say, Patrick? Well, he is saying that he believes Apple will launch a 31.6-inch 6K external display in the second or third quarter of this year, 2019, with a mini-LED backlight. We might see it announced at WWDC on June 3rd. Kuo also thinks Apple may launch a new iPad, a new MacBook, with mini-LED displays by late 2020 or 2021. Kuo says the mini-LED iPad will have a 10 to 12-inch screen and the mini-LED MacBook would be around 15 to 17 inches, likely a MacBook Pro mini-LED screen panels will allow, I'm sorry, likely a MacBook Pro mini-LED screen panels allow richer colors, higher contracts, contrast. That's easy to say, ratios and use thinner panels that use less power. Of all of these, you know, supposed, these aren't announcements. This is just something that, yes, like you mentioned, Tom, Ming-Chi Kuo has a great track record, so you want to take this sort of stuff seriously. What jumped out to me the most is like 17-inch MacBook Pro? Really? Because I have an old 17-inch MacBook Pro, and it's massive. I didn't think that Apple was doing that form factor anymore. Well, they might not be. I mean, he has a good track record, but it says, you know, do you say mini-LED like OLED? I never thought about that. I guess that makes sense. I've been saying mini-LED, but that just seems wasteful, now that I think about it. Anyway, a MacBook with mini-LEDs or mini-LEDs. Give yourself two syllables. Would be around 15 to 17 inches, could be 16 inches, which would be a really weird one. Well, that was actually his initial prediction from a few months ago that he's now revising, and that was supposed to be coming a little bit earlier than his current prediction. I think it's interesting because they would be remaking the form factor and the design, which might mean a different type of keyboard. They keep having issues with the butterfly design for the keys. Maybe they'll, I guess they still want them to have it super thin, but a new type of butterfly keys. I think the most likely thing out of all of this is the 31.6 and 6K display coming in Q3. We'll probably hear about that at WWDC, like you said. The rest of this is longer term. Longer term is always harder to predict. The idea that maybe they would get a keyboard, by the way, not something Minji Kuo said. Those were the hopeful words that I also support from Patrick Beja. Or is it a new keyboard? You got to credit Patrick Beja with getting that one right, is what I'm trying to say. I know we all dabble in video editing, and certainly we're all in the same line of work, but when I look at 31.6 inch, 6K external display, obviously I don't know what the price is yet. I'm going to guess it's going to be on the high end of any monitor, but I understand that if you're a professional, this would be potentially an amazing purchase. For me right now, I mean, I've got a 28-inch monitor, and like, it's big. It's big. It's too much. It's lovely, but I don't need anything bigger, and I don't know why I would need 6K, but again, that's just my feeling eyes. All right, moving on to Facebook. Facebook first shared its work on AI mapping. Back in 2016, when the company started creating population density maps, went through about 22 nations. Today, the company shared new progress that covers what it says is the majority of the continent of Africa, and the company also says it will strive to cover nearly the whole world's population going down the road. Data from open street maps is used to train a computer vision system to recognize buildings in satellite imagery. That's how you can kind of tell population density. There's a lot of moving parts here. Then engineers at Facebook use this to remove available satellite data that showed unoccupied land where people don't live. Facebook verified the work with researchers from the Center for International Earth Science Information Network at Columbia University, and the maps will be released for free to anyone for use. That's important because this is not Facebook hoarding maps for its own use. They're making them for public use. They'll be open for people to use, and they are promoting them as being helpful in disaster relief, which they absolutely would, or perhaps in vaccinations, or fighting the bully outbreaks, things like that. By knowing where the population densities are, that can be extremely helpful in situations. In fact, the previous maps that Facebook has made have been used in the United States. They are also good for Facebook to figure out where they could roll out their internet from the air or any other kind of internet connectivity to underserved areas where they can then try to get people to start using Facebook. And I think that's how the world has changed since the good old days of 2016, because the first thing that comes to your mind in 2016 when Facebook is doing that is, oh, they have lots of information using AI to make sense of it and helping disaster relief through density maps. Excellent. This is really cool. This is cool tech. Today, you hear that story. Of course, the substance of it is still the same, but I think what a lot of people get is, oh, wait, Facebook is using AI to know where people are and making maps of the world? This is worrisome, and I don't know how to feel about it. I certainly had a little bit of a tingly feeling of, I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not before I delve a little bit deeper in the story. Well, but the fact that Facebook wants to bring Facebook to any living human, if at all possible, I can't imagine you're really surprised by something like this, Patrick. No, of course not. I don't think that's the thing that is... I don't think it's a rational feeling. It's just the aura of Facebook today is very different from the one three or four years ago, and when you hear about the things they can do with all the data they have, you immediately think, or at least I did, my mind went to is that the good or bad thing hedging on maybe bad? And then I have to rationalize it and think about what it actually means, but it's a very different reaction from, I think, what many people had four years ago. And I think it's a good check on yourself to not assume something is bad just because you hear one single word like Facebook. You need to evaluate the stuff on the merits, and I think there is a lot of good in this, and it does not seem to violate data privacy. It's using available satellite imagery to create something that is free for everyone to use. I would even go so far as to say this is absolutely a good thing. It's just that the initial reaction has changed a lot. Yeah. A robot developed at UC Berkeley called Blue aims to make robots less expensive and safer to work with. Blue has two humanoid arms with pincers at the end, which can be controlled using VR hand controllers. They use HTC Vive controllers, not the headset, just the controllers, or they can be trained using reinforcement learning. It's parts are 3D printed that keeps the cost down has a central vision module and depth sensing camera so it can sense and react to its environment. Its arms are controlled by motors with rubber bands that give it a little more flexibility. And it doesn't have the submillimeter control of a current factory robot, but it can adapt to its conditions. That makes it more flexible in what it can do, what it can learn to do, and it makes it safer because it's not always doing the exact same thing every time, no matter whether a human's in its way or not. It can learn to back off if it runs into somebody. Blue cost about $3,000 in parts to make, and the team expects it to sell for around $5,000. Rethink had a similar concept in its Baxter and Sawyer robots that shut down in 2018. So some people are skeptical whether Blue can make it work. And another similar Danish company called Universal Robotics is still in business, but they're doing things a little bit differently. Blue seems to be the latest in an attempt to say, let's make an accessible, affordable robot that can be used in a lot more situations than just really capital intensive factories. And they give it hands, which is probably a good way of making sure it's in the hands of the pincers. You know, the pincers in the hands are not the new part of this, right? Well, I mean, two hands and cheap. They're robots that look exactly like that, but they just do submillimeter precision. So they're like, I can do one thing and one thing only. And if anything gets in my way, I'm going to keep doing it. And the thing with this is it can do a lot of different things. You can train it very easily. It costs a lot less. And if it runs into somebody, it can back off go, whoa, or even see somebody coming and not and cause fewer accidents. Whenever I hear stories like this, I go, okay, well, this is out of my price range, but this is also not really for me, you know, having my little friendly robot in the home. However, prices are coming down and robots are getting better. So in my mind, I immediately go to, well, the Roomba was a really great purchase for lots of folks. It's like, yeah, it's a, you know, it's a smart vacuum cleaner, right? But there are lots of limitations to that. What if you could have something like this that could do something that lots of everyday folks want somebody to clean your house and you need dexterity and there has to be some vertical motion and that sort of thing. And if the price comes down just a little bit more, it becomes something that I would take seriously. Yeah, it's a great point because down the road, we might benefit from this in our homes the way an Apple II wasn't something that everybody put in their homes, but enough people did and small businesses use them that it paved the way for cheaper computers and now we all carry supercomputers in our pockets. So this, you know, this, I'm not saying blue is the Apple II of robots, although I did see that headline today, but it is the kind of thing that you need to catch on for that to happen. And this is going to be great for smaller businesses that couldn't afford those $100,000 robots on the factory line that were less flexible and less capable. So I think it's a pretty big advancement. Also, you're underestimating the fact that it has hands. I mean, I've forgotten. It has pincers, right? Don't forget. Tom, very, very smart hands with pincers. Alphabet's wing has received approval from Australia's CASA to begin using UAVs to make deliveries to a limited number of eligible homes in the suburbs north of Canberra, Australia. Wing has tested the service 3,000 times over the past 18 months in a different suburb called Bonifin. Deliveries may include food, coffee, and over-the-counter items from Kickstart Expresso. I guess that's fast, Espresso. Capital chemist. So you can get your over-the-counter drugs like your aspirins and such. Pure gelato. You get a gelato delivered right to your house. Jasper and Myrtle Baker's Delight, Guzmini Gomez, and Drummond Golf. So if you need that five iron, you could just have it delivered right out to the green. Well, it's good to have it delivered to your home. But maybe something too. Better be a fast drone if you're sending me gelato, because I need it to be in a certain form when I get it. Great point. These drone deliveries will happen in minutes, they say. Yeah. It's interesting. I've read a little bit about the story and there are some local folks who complain about the noise of the drones, because they've been doing tests for about a year now. But besides that, it does sound like it has been an overall success. There haven't been security issues, there haven't been accidents, at least nothing that's been reported. And this is, you know, it's kind of a dream life. If you can, maybe not gelato, but if you can send me a burrito through the sky, I want that as well for my local neighborhood. It's fine. What do you like about this? About burrito deliveries? It's fine. It's okay. I think the thing I do like about it is, if it cuts down on vehicle travel, if delivering something, you know, if you don't need to send someone on a little scooter to deliver your whatever, gelato or burrito or other food item that ends in O, it's probably a good thing. It's a little bit faster, etc., all the benefits. I guess there are some areas where it's definitely a significant plus. But I don't know. I guess I'm in my grumpy old person mode today, because I read the story and you're like, it doesn't have hands. Yeah, it seems convenient. It'll keep scooters off the road. I hate it. We have drone delivery in operation in multiple parts of the world right now. This is just the latest one from Project Wing, Alphabet's company, making a little progress. So it's not even like that's new. You're just like, you don't want, you don't want some drone buzzing around your house. I get it. I think that's wider to get approval, by the way. Exactly. The test was a little loud. Yeah. I guess I'm grumpy today. I apologize. It's okay. Well, you don't play golf. You hate gelato. I get it, right? Yeah, doesn't need aspirin. You know what I love? I love 16k screens. And lucky for me at NAB in Las Vegas, Sony announced it is installing a 16k screen at the Shiseido Cosmetics Group Research Center in Yokohama, Japan. The screen is 19.2 meters long and 5.4 meters high. That's 63 by 17 feet and stretches between the first and second floors. It's the largest 16k TV of its kind yet. Sony previously installed 16k TVs at the Haneda Airport in 2014. Both installations are made of multiple panels, but the new one in Yokohama has no bezels, so viewers can't see any seams between the panels. The TV uses micro LEDs, similar to Samsung's The Wall. Yeah. So we've seen The Wall at CES for a couple CESes now. And that is one aspect of this. Not many, many LEDs, which we heard about are something coming sooner to smaller ones. Micro LEDs is what's used here. And I guess one of the reasons I wanted to include this story in the show at all was to kind of put on everybody's radar that while we don't even know what 8k would be good for yet, there is 16k being developed. And from what I can tell, it's impressive because you can walk right up to it, and it's like you're looking out a window. You don't see the pixels, which gives it sort of an illusion of depth that you don't get from a 4k screen. You get it a little bit from an 8k screen. Granted, if you're into cosmetics, go into the Shiseida Research Center is going to be fun anyways. So having a 16k screen up and down will give me something to do when Eileen and I visit Yokohama someday. But yeah, I think this is a milestone. It's not necessarily showing us what this is going to be good for. Yeah. And that's sort of my question is you're exactly right. If you're going to be at the Shiseida, whatever, and this is cosmetics, and it's makeup, and it's stuff that's very detailed, and colors are important. And if it looks good, it's going to be super impressive. Outside of kind of that shopping center world, where is this actually going to be going to be picked up? And I'm not saying it won't be, I'm just trying to think of where that would be besides something that's kind of flashy. Oh, big, splashy. Look at this car on this beautiful screen or someone's face done up nicely. Patrick, you were looking up resolutions for this before the show. Because Nick with the C asked the same question we were asking before the show, which is, is 16k just for 4k displays? The answer is no. No, it isn't. The number of k's, the k counts the number of lines. So you have to multiply by the other axis to get the actual resolution. So 4k is 4,000 lines, 16k is 16,000 lines, and you have a ton more pixels on the other axis. Resolution wise, 4k, there are a couple of different resolutions. You're looking at about nine megapixels. 16k, there are like 15 different resolutions that range from 60 or 70 megapixels to like 300. But on average, it's about 100. So you get from nine megapixels to 100 megapixels. That's a factor, and it's significant, but the screen size for that, I didn't do the exact calculations. But I'm guessing, given the gigantic humongousness of that screen is probably about the factor of 10 compared to, or maybe even more, compared to your 4k TV. So I'm guessing the effect is roughly the same if you count the pixel per inch as your 4k TV, depending on how close you are. So the difference is it's gigantic and it looks as good. Yeah, you can make it bigger and still have it maintain its sharpness. Roku announced new features in its 9.1 OS for boxes and TVs. Searches within genres will now be broken into further categories like new releases and free. Voice commands will include commands to turn captioning on and off and replay to go back a few seconds. And signing into your Roku account on a new device will also sign you in to participating apps like Hulu and Pandora. The update, rather, will start rolling out to Roku boxes in the next few weeks and come to Roku TVs in the early summer. I have some questions on how they are handling the single sign-in, which is important because they're passing along tokens, sign-in tokens, and that's important to get right. You can get it right. I'm not assuming they're getting it wrong, but I would like to know that somebody who knows this stuff has looked into that. That said, great feature when you set up a new Roku. You don't have to go in and sign into every single app again, which can be pretty daunting and annoying. I think the thing that's caught most people's eye here is what you said about the free category when you go into the various genre categories because most of the free stuff that you're seeing in these search results, at least in the mock-ups, is Roku's own channel, which has a bunch of free stuff in the Roku app. And Roku has often been seen as the most even playing ground. They were the one for the longest time that were the only place you could get everybody, except for the proprietary stores like Google Play or Apple iTunes, but you could get everything else on Roku and you couldn't get it on Android or Apple TV for a while. That's changed now. And it looks like Roku is trying to prioritize its own services because that's where it sees the growth in its money. I understand it's not the same thing, but is it in the same vein as Android TV adding a new channel that is essentially ads? No, that's a good point. It is not the same thing as that because what Roku is doing is saying, in our search results, we'll have a free stuff tier. Most of the free tier most people are going to have on the Roku is from the Roku channel because it's pre-installed, but it's not paid placement. Whereas the Android one, that's paid placement. That's on your home screen. Here's a bunch of people that have paid for the privilege of being put in front of you. Although Roku does have ads on its splash screen when it goes to sleep. I guess when it goes to sleep is a different experience, but I guess they need to. The big question here is, is this designed really to put Roku stuff front and center or is it really to help the users find the free stuff more easily? In the second case, it makes sense. The answer is yes to both. Yeah. I think Roku knows that this will help users find stuff more easily and also help it the way that they're implementing. Yeah, and I don't really know what the incentive for Roku Roku to be at this point of being agnostic. We're for everybody. It's like, you got to have original content and it's apples and oranges a little bit when you compare Roku to other platforms that it is competing with on the hardware level, but there's almost no reason not to try. It's literally apples and rokers actually. That's true. Folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, be sure to subscribe to dailytechheadlines.com. Thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit. You can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. We're also on Facebook. We've got a group, facebook.com, slash groups, slash daily tech news show. Let us travel to Charles DeGaul airport. Why don't we with Chris Christensen, who's sharing some tech bits that keep him excited there? This is Chris Christensen from Amateur Traveler with another tech in travel minute. I am coming to you today from the Charles DeGaul airport and I'm thinking about airports. Charles DeGaul has not been my favorite, but there's a few technology things that have made me enjoy it more this trip. Not only is it linked via rail lines to the city and to via high speed trains to just about everywhere in France. It also had a mobile app that let me easily find out what terminal I needed to get to for which airline. And then when I got to the airline via a train from a local hotel that was just off of terminal three, I could go and use a touchscreen interface to quickly scroll through because I was three hours early to find the right flight to find out what I needed to check in. Charles DeGaul is still not my favorite, but technology is making it more so. What is your favorite technologically favorite airport? I'm Chris Christensen from Amateur Traveler. My favorite technological airport. Patrick, you fly in and out of that airport that he's mentioning, right? Yeah, it's so busy. I don't even have time to enjoy or not enjoy it. Paris is the most touristy city in the world, so it's just too many people. So it kind of discounts it from being my favorite immediately because there's so much stuff happening there. I have to say, Zoey Brings Bacon reminds me that when I was going through the Minneapolis Airport connecting flights one time, I was really impressed by the restaurant there that allowed you to order food on a touchscreen without talking to anybody. You just went into the restaurant, sat down, ordered your food, somebody brought it out to you. It was much faster. I had that experience in Houston recently coming back from Mexico City. Had a long enough layover to be able to enjoy a meal leisurely and I was floored. I had never seen anything so nice. Listen, we all enjoy not having to talk to anyone. So imagine the day that the hand-equipped robot will be the one to bring you your food. With pincers. Yes, well, it can still carry the plan. We're going to get to the point where we don't want to talk to the robots either. Will it come to Hanada, Incheon, or Narita first? That's my question. Good question. All right. Let's check out the mailbags. Let's do it. Seth wrote in about our conversation from yesterday. It was a conversation about Viber, but the idea of needing a phone number that is not necessarily your phone number that you might use on a regular basis for good reasons. Seth says, I'm from New England originally, but I've lived in LA for the past 12 years in an apartment. The issue I ran into was I wanted to keep my phone number and the apartment building's door buzzer worked by inputting a phone number to call didn't allow for area codes needing a local number for me to be contacted at. For a time, I used to use Google Voice to create a number which worked quite well. Unfortunately, I switched to Project Phi, which for technical reasons lost me that number. So now I'm using the Skype phone number that you can pay for. It's literally only used by my front doorbell allowing me to let delivery people in while I'm at work, but I don't give it out to anybody and I don't ever use it to make any calls. I'm going to price compare Skype against Viber to see if I can save a little, but just thought that this use case might add to the discussion. Yeah. So he never needs to call out. The whole thing with Viber is you can't call out on the number yet, they say eventually, but call in and if you just need it for a doorbell, I guess that would work. But then, I don't know, why would you? I've actually done this before with Google Voice back in the day, yeah, at an old apartment in San Francisco where I just, I had to give him a phone number and I was like, this is going to be problematic otherwise. So yes, I'm with you, Seth. Pretty niche, but useful for those who need it. And then Natalie wrote in and said, hello all listening to episode 3505 reminded me of my most memorable experience with USBs and corrupted files. In my freshman year of high school, I was studying for an FFA floral competition that required memorizing around 40 or more plants in a couple of months. In preparation, I used the computer in the classroom to save a bunch of images and some PowerPoints to my very first USB drive. I brought it home to study for the weekend into my horror. Every single file was corrupted. I resorted to image searching on our super slow connection at home until I gave up and waited until Monday. Our group ended up getting second place. But these days, I still get a little panicked when a coworker doesn't bother with ejecting their USB drives. Let that be a lesson to you all. Thank you, Natalie. Now, the new thing is, we mentioned this yesterday, but if you missed it in Windows 10, now you can pull out the drive without ejecting it first. They've made it so that won't cause these problems. But we had asked Vlad Savov had asked who has had a problem in the past. And we got a number of emails from people who, in fact, have had problems. Natalie was one of them. So thank you, Natalie and everyone else. Absolutely. And thanks to Patrick Beja for being with us this fine Tuesday evening. Patrick, where can people keep up with what all cool things you're doing? I don't know why I said it that way, but whatever. They can do a couple of things. They can subscribe to MVGB, the monthly video game briefing. If you enjoy gaming, but you're not a hardcore gamer, Scott Johnson, who will be here tomorrow, I believe. And myself do a monthly brief where we tell you what you need to know. And you can also go to Frenchspin.com, where I host my podcasts. One is Pixels about gaming for more hardcore gamers and the Phineas Club, where we talk about the world and what is happening in it, often in alarming, but also enjoyable ways. 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Get more at frogpants.com. It is hot in the studio today. Goodness. Really? Well, it's actually cooler today than it was yesterday. Really? Oh, yeah. It is. It is heating up over on my side of town. You Westcoasters don't know cold. I know. No, we don't. We don't. It's true. We really don't. We don't claim to. I went to bed with the AC on last night. And I felt like I'm just burning money. But I was like, it feels so good. But it feels good, yeah. I did not have the AC on last night. You know how we're talking about these penguins that are dying because there isn't ice in the Antarctic? No relation. I'm just mentioning that. No, it's all those crypto miners. It's not me. Oh, right. Yes. Yeah. Talk about energy. I'm going to go. I will suggest however but does it? Oh, yes. But does it have hands? All right. Love you all. See you next week. Love you too, Patrick. See you. Bye. Patrick, he needed to sleep. He needs hands so he can feel complete. That's why he's so tired. He doesn't have any hands anymore. Imagine that. Everything is going to take so much longer. Yes, but does it have hands? I think it's a great Good Day Internet title, Roger. Yeah. For DTNS, the leading vote-getter to Biocau's consternation. And Biocau submitted this headline, but he's actively campaigning for people not to vote for it in the chat room, was, new update will Roku like a hurricane. Isn't that kind of long? It is a little long. Yeah. I like also you say LED. I say LED because when you write it, it doesn't work at all. Not in my airspace, Espresso or Espresso. You know what? They can send it out on that drone like piping hot. And then when it gets to you, it should be the perfect temperature to drink. Yeah. You mean the coffee? Sure. That's a very good point. Not sure where it came from, but it's still a good point. How about if we just limited it to Roku like a hurricane? You want to use that? Biocau will be very upset if you use that. I'll find Biocau. Why don't you put it in there? I think we're going to use it. Or you say LED. I say LED. I like both of those. Sarah, do you want to break the tie? I like the LED one. You say LED. Here I am. I'm going to say LED. Thank you like a hurricane. Quick, name the band. I put it in the title slot on line one. Scorpions. Yeah. I wanted to, Sarah. Oh, you didn't say Sarah. You just said name the band. You beat me. I would have gotten there eventually. And we were talking about Scorpion there, too. I don't have a family of Scorpions, by the way. If anyone's like, what's with her? I didn't do that. That's Scorpion, too. That's the last family I would ever adopt. We played Roku like a hurricane as part of our set when I was the drummer for Roadkill. For Roadkill? I mean, it's a great song. It was our light crowd pleaser because we mostly played Metallica and Ozzy. Black Sabbath or just Ozzy Ozzy? Yeah, Megadeth. Really? Yeah. A little play on Megadeth covers. Okay. I'm amazed you could still hear unless you played it like in a lower volume. What? Speak up, Roger. I just lip read what you say on the hangout. That's the only way I do it. You lip read? Yeah. Lip read. So the Scorpions had Roku like a hurricane, big song. Then they had that winds of change, which was the wall coming down, Berlin Wall. And did they have any other hits? I know they did. They had an earlier hit. What was it? Send Me an Angel is listed on the... That's not the Scorpions. No, it is the Scorpions, but it's not the one. It's not Send Me an Angel. No, that's not the song either. The Zoo. That was an early one. The Zoo, I don't know that one. No one like you. That was a big one. Oh, yeah. I liked that song. There was no one like you. Can't live without a finger. Yeah. Still loving you. That was another big one. Um, see? Knew it. All right. So we got a solid five from the Scorpions. Oh, yeah. You would know The Zoo if you heard it. It wasn't as big of a hit, though. Yeah. Raised on rock from 2010. Wow. That's still together. Trying to see if there was any early... Yeah. Still loving you. They started in 77. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they were... It wasn't the 80s that they broke out with big hits, but they had several albums. Well, a lot of what you would kind of now call hair bands did start that way. They started in 1965. What? Yeah. How old are the Scorpions? Wow. The oldest living Scorpions in the world. Facebook, why you do this? Why? I don't remember my password. I got read. How about that? Very rare. Hey, so I have good... Well, I have good news for me. My cousin, my cousin Molly, who's just a couple of years younger than me and was always sort of my closest cousin growing up, just had a little boy today. Aw, congrats. And his name is Lane. Aw, they named him Lane. They did. Yeah. I mean, she was always McCall. She's not... I mean, her mom was a Lane, but she always had a different last name. But yeah, his name is Lane. And he's real cute. And it's been super fun for all of us. You know, like when I have a son, I'll name him Chang. Right. In honor of Roger. Right. Yeah. For the Chinese takeout down the block. There's just something to... Just to celebrate Roger. Let me see. And when I have a son, I will name him Otis. There you go. Yeah. And just break the whole thing. Break it down. What do you think, Otis? He says it's too hot in here. I hate it. I would be honored. I'm a dog. I can't sweat. I only sweat through my paws and my tongue. Otis says actually, if you're really paying attention, you should also name your child Lane. Because that would be the rule. You just have to all name your child Lane. All children. All children should be named Lane. All children lead to Lane. That's right. Yes. All roads lead to Lane. Yeah. Oh, Zoe brings bacon. The next person to have a child should name them Bacon. Do you think there's some kids out there named Bacon? I bet. Probably. I bet there's at least one. I know there's probably a lot of dogs and cats named Bacon. I wonder if anybody's named Boca. I think probably. Maybe Boca. Like Boca de Beppo. Boca. Well, Boca means mouth. So it'd be, you know, I don't know. You'd probably have to have a good reason to name your kid Boca. Boca de Beppo recently had a security breach as I learned on the security bits on Allison Sheridan's Nacilocast. I don't know. Barco shots. Yes, it did. It was a program breached. It was funny because he was reading about the breach and he's like, I guess this is a chain. Bucca. Yeah, I remember exactly how he said it. But Allison was like, oh, no, Boca de Beppo. Yeah, it's a pretty good place. Haven't been there in a long time. Had a point of sale breach. Yeah, that was, it was. I don't mean to minimize it, but it's not like, it's not like that's shocking. These things are happening right now. Yeah, I don't think the Boca de Beppo in San Francisco for tech TV, we, I felt like we were there all the time for, you know, I don't know, celebrations or someone's birthday or whatever. But a few restaurants that could accommodate a large crowd. Yeah, well, yeah. And it's family style food that is decent, but isn't going to offend anybody. It works well. I'm from my garden. When you're there, you're not family. So you don't have those ties. You don't have that burden. Right. No, no, no. Yeah, you just come and go. You're just a, you're just a order number. Yeah. But I, I think, I mean, gosh, I, besides that San Francisco location, which I assume is still there, I don't think I've ever been to any other one, even though I've seen them in many other cities. I've only been to one other. It was in San Jose for my sister-in-law's birthday one year. Uh-huh. Each of the San Jose one, but I'm pretty sure that's the only other one. Back at, back at the revision three for CES, we would always go to Boca, because again, it was one of the restaurants that could accommodate the size. Oh, okay. See, that's nice. I might have been to one in Vegas also. That's a nice thing about our team, was we can just go anywhere, because we're not a huge team. Yeah, we're like three of us, maybe four. Yeah, maybe if we've brought somebody. Oh, Shannon's with us. Great. We're four. Five. It's a foursome. Five. No. Too much. Five isn't bad. Shut it down. Let's all just eat in our hotel rooms. That is still one of my favorite memories of CES, was the year we were staying at the Stardust Hotel, may it rest in peace. And I got laryngitis. I got a sore throat, like the first day at CES. And so I would finish my day on the stage at CNET and just go right back to my room and order steak in room service and then spend the evening. Just not talking. Not talking, you know, doing some research on my laptop and eating steak on CNET's dime. Kind of like, it's kind of like Ron Burgundy. Well, I mean, we've been to CES a couple times for DTNS, obviously. Before that, I hadn't been since I was with TechCrunch, which was a couple of years before. And but when we were there, it was like, it was like a nine-day stay, because they did, you know, it was a big CES, it was probably, you know, similar to CNET. And, you know, be kind of thing where you're like, okay, now I live here. Oh, right. No, I used to feel that way every year. Like, halfway through the week, I'm like, I just live at CES. This is where I live now. Right. Yeah, in a not super fancy, but not horrible hotel room. Like, okay, I can sleep, but like, there's nothing about this that's home. I really want to go home. And the, yeah, when I was with them the last time we were at, it was someplace where, I remember the name of it now, but it was, they had little kitchenettes Oh yeah, well, like a Marriott residence in. In fact, I think that's what it was, because it was near the convention center. And, you know, it was like, after about day three, I was like, I'm just going to start ordering food, and like, have like my kitchen, and hang out in here more, because I'm here too, like you can't just enjoy Vegas for nine days straight. I can't anyway. No, I'm sure there are three days I've done. Yeah, like I wanted, like I needed to like make it a small apartment. And so yeah, like with postmates, you know, I'd get food and, you know, get some juice down the street and stocked up the fridge. And it was actually kind of fun. Yeah, that residence and we stayed in one year for CNET, because it was after the Stardust days, and they did grocery shopping for you. So I had them go get me, you know, just like some cheese and bread and, you know, just a few basics. And I would have snacks to eat whenever I got back in the room. Right. Yeah. Which cuts down on like the five conversations that everybody has to have every day in Vegas of like, okay, now where are we going to eat? Where's so-and-so? Where are we going to meet to eat? You know, it's like, it becomes so exhausting. Honestly, sometimes you're like, I just want to eat my bread and cheese in the room. See you guys. Third times we're trying to find a place to eat is incredibly stressful. And it's like, I'd rather do something else. Yeah. I mean, that's, if I, you know, if I can complain about anything about, you know, the joy of travel, because mostly it's great, but it's, if you have to think about, you know, being in a new place, if you're on the move a lot, and you're backpacking, let's say, right? And so you're in unfamiliar places every other day, and the whole sort of like, well, do you want to eat here? Does this look good? Well, let's look at the menu. I don't know. There's no one in here. Hmm. I don't know. I don't know. I don't like the look of it. Okay. Let's go somewhere else. Like it is the most tiring conversation after a while, because you're hungry and you don't really care, but you also don't want to settle too much because you're supposed to be adventurous. You're not supposed to be though. I gave that up a long time ago. I'm like, I don't want to be adventurous. I don't want to be around people. I've had that situation. Well, I mean, me either. This is a long time ago. Yeah. Hey, everybody. Thanks for watching on video. Enjoy your day. Audio folks stick around. There is, in fact, more to come. Not even.