 Wow, I didn't think I was going to be nervous, but I am Welcome it has been what I think an extraordinary word camp thus far My name is Chloe bring mon and I'm honored to introduce our last keynote speaker WordPress co-founder and the CEO of automatic Matt Mullenwig Yes So Matt's vision for an open and accessible web has helped shape WordPress And by extension the web as we know it his commitment to open-source principles has advanced WordPress and Fostered a global community of contributors and innovators many of whom of whom are gathered here today in this auditorium or online Now we have a little bit of some housekeeping Before I ask you to join me in a warm welcome to bring Matt onto the stage And some tips for asking questions live I'd like to ask you to introduce yourselves Briefly when you have the floor. We're eager to hear from as many of you as possible during today's session When you're speaking, please talk slowly clearly and directly into the microphone so everyone can hear you well and You have the opportunity to ask Matt what has been on your mind So let's make the most of this time together and be mindful of the other attendees waiting their turn If you have additional questions after your first we kindly ask that you save them for another opportunity There will be a couple of volunteers who are running around with microphones on either side of the auditorium raise your hand if you have a question for Matt and So without further ado Please join me in welcoming Matt Mallon wigg to word camp Asia 2024 Hello, hello How y'all doing? Do you have a good word camp? I? Am so excited to finally be here. Oh my goodness I mean 2020 2021 22 23 there's there was reasons. I wasn't able to make it for each one Some reasons we all couldn't make it for some of those but it's so great to be here today and This amazing room with it. I really enjoyed a lot of the talks. I got to see And happy to talk about any of those but yeah, who's got their hands up. We can start queuing up some some questions. I Am visiting today from Houston, Texas. Oh, am I supposed to point okay? How about over there? We can get started introduce your name stand up so people can see you and hello. It's good started My name is Milan. It's up. I'm from Serbia and always first question so here at this word camp we saw some changes to speakers program there were invited speakers and I would like to propose something There are a lot of if we are talking about the diversity of speakers. There are a lot of speakers good speakers Who are involved in war press who cannot attend? these big events because of financial difficulties, so there are initiatives to help them one of them is support inclusion in tech calm, please visit that and my question is Will Will foundation or and or automatic support such initiative? to help you speakers who cannot attend and Are actually good speakers to come and and maybe have another addition to speakers program to actually help people Thank you for the question. Thank you Yeah, we've had invited speakers at many many work camps before going back to some of the early work camp San Francisco's That predated like we're camping United States, so it's not a new program I would encourage folks to like speakers who want to speak at any work camp around the world to apply and Then if you're regardless of whether you think you're financially able to attend or not So get your talk in first right and then if you're accepted and there's some barrier I think both automatic and many many other companies Would be very excited to sponsor Folks to visit and it's actually I think a relatively cost-effective way to do it now work camps Do have a sort of Certainly the local like the city ones tend to want to emphasize local speakers before these regional ones sure Let's get people from all over the world. We have that here today And I think it's part of the the cool thing about these more continental work camps, so that's not good Cool. Thank you Who's up next? The lights actually kind of bright I might need that just so folks with the mics just run to people with a hands up We got one up here, but it's a little hard for me to see some of y'all And then if you want to go next so we'll do that next and then who wants to be third so we can keep this moving I want to get there as many as possible Okay Have it over there. All right Hi, Mike We met before I'm Phoebe and our team kind of living in a paradise a parallel universe Which is in where three we are building something in blockchain to help media and journalists to actually achieve decentralized publishing and our taglines is actually same as WordPress, so which is we want to democratize Publishing and I'm from Hong Kong So I want to see a view how what three could coordinate with this mission that we have And obviously we are one of the very rare Where free plug in that here today, so I feel like I'm in a really rare like situation where I'm the minority here So I just really want to have this conversation with you and see how we can truly achieve decentralized publishing to help people that being censored or whether it's from political censorship or commercial censorship Yeah, thank you Wow, thank you for your question And yeah, we did meet I think you're I've taken like a hundred hundreds of photos of people and thank you for the t-shirt you gave me the There's a lot to unpack there, so I'll try to work backwards being one of the few web three companies here. There probably were a few more a few years ago, right? There was a little bit of a cycle there And it feels like a lot of folks moved on although now crypto prices are all the way back So who knows maybe there'll be another cycle in terms of WordPress's participation in it, you know one way where I think well Second I would say what is web three right that could be a whole conversation You mentioned block change. Let's just I'm gonna assume for the sake of discussion that sort of like blockchain based things Integrated with the wordpress. Is that fair? Okay There's What's nice about a lot of these blockchain projects? I'm not sure about yours, but most are open source Which sort of just by default we share some of the ideals with the open source nature of WordPress and its entire Technology stack, you know everything that it's built on we're built on the soldiers of giants It's open source turtles all the way down as they say so the There's plugins for pretty much everything and as you know a marketplace is totally open. There's no like You have to pay you have to go through the application process, which I apologize. It's still like Ray behind but But then yeah, it could be totally open. I think in terms of publishing things to like a immutable blockchain That is a use case. It's kind of a tricky one because Well one you could already do it you could put things in like the block Bitcoin blockchain right and people have at the very first Satoshi node right reference that financial crisis article crisis article So that's already possible and then for everything else. I think large publishers Tend to need some moderation capability often even to comply with laws in places where they operate so And for evading censorship there are technologies like Tor and other things that allow people to get past it Including like Tor secret sites hosting and others so Whenever there's sort of a problem like that. I always say like what are all the ways it could be solved Does blockchain make it better or different and are there existing block chains that can solve some of the same things? One I have had my eye on because especially with you know We're in kind of our first AI election cycle where AI tools are very prevalent deep fakes have gotten so good and you know, I think I forget the number but like over half of large democracies are having like major lessons in the next two years and so something around Sort of being able to stamp content to be authenticated whether it's photos articles and unmodified because it's kind of interesting It's been a number of proposals about this over the years There's one a few years ago that I'm not sure where it is But I just saw a new one last month that's as name is escaping me that I hope to look at when I'm back from sabbatical I forgot to say that technically. I'm not supposed to be here So automatic has this benefit where every five years everyone gets two to three year three two to three months pay time off It's a beautiful benefit. We've had hundreds and hundreds of people take it. I Have not for 18 years And it was a very intense year last year. So I was like, ah, okay in December. I announced that in February I was going to do the three months off And I had this on the calendar. I was like, I cannot miss work in Asia again So this is my exception. Y'all are my my exception. That's sabbatical. Thank you So but for some things like it's a little trickier for me to speak to automatic stuff because I'm not really in a day-to-day like I usually am But May 1st, I'll be right back in there. So thank you. I think we were going up here next and Then we'll do there and then down there. So thank you next. Howdy. Hi, my name is Lena I have been organizing WordPress event in Bangkok for many years What can Bangkok and would come Asia? 223 Now that I'm working a mom with a small kids It's harder to do this own group of about as people Fine is difficult to get a new organizer Can you give us an end at why on how to get working power and many moms? To join and see the good in being part of the WordPress community Thank you That is probably an area. I'm not an expert in Not that I'm an expert in many of the things we're talking about But that one I feel particularly ill-suited to have a great answer But perhaps we could follow up with that with the events team Yeah, which has a number of working models and so they'll probably be able to answer that better So I apologize. I don't have a good one for you right now Setting the example and leading by example like you just did and sharing your story I think is also amazing. So everyone in this room and everyone watching the live stream now sees your example And there's probably many more things like that we can do So thank you. Thank you was over here next. Yeah. All right What initiatives or project are you personally excited about within the WordPress ecosystem right now? That's a good one and just so we keep it moving. I think there's a mic down here, right? So let's bring one down any on this side. Okay, right there. You'll be next and you'll be third Initiatives I'm excited about on WordPress gosh Co-editing for Gutenberg. So this is the idea. Oh, yeah This is the idea that I mean not unlike Google Docs or many other applications like in theory Not everyone in this room But a lot of people in this room or some people in this room could have the same document open at the same time We could be editing it. It would be merged instantly There would be no conflicts if they're you went offline and came back online that be handled in a really intelligent way This I think is just for collaboration going to be so cool like imagine if you could send a link of Sort of a draft for a new version of the site to a client or a friend And then get on the phone and just kind of tweak things in real time with them They could change them you could change them you could give them a lesson, you know So you're you're sort of telling them what to do. They're learning the interface and then you're talking about it in real time I mean things like that. It just opens up such a wide array of collaboration and workflow that I think it's really Through that then going to open up WordPress to a much wider audience than it is today and and then personally I'm just really looking forward to it because You know, I've been writing for so many years now and still one of the craziest things is it's so hard to edit your own writing And so everything I do I mean sometimes you can tell when I just publish without an editor and then the first comment's like Oh, here's these three typos. I'm like, I checked it like four times but now You know being able to have someone else in there and then the other thing that could be cool is one of that Entity coming in to chat with you and edit and do things is maybe an AI like chat should be tea That could also be really interesting. I maybe only get in and saying hey What do you think we make my site more compelling to? Audiences in Japan or something like that. I could be very very very cool. So So that's I'd say one thing I'm pretty excited about I'm also very excited about the location for the state of the word this year and where working Asia is going to be next year, so Can't say it now, but y'all if you stick around you might get some some fun things there Alright, how about Thank you Could I ask a gonchar of question? Oh, sorry Yogesh from Bangalore, India. I do have a gonchar of question later. Maybe sometime but Yeah, I'm the project really I'm excited about is data migration the data liberation Yeah, and so The way I look at data liberation is is You know if there is a standard for printing paper if we call it in India when we buy paper we call it a force sheet is a standard size and So you type on a foresheet on your laptop and you print on a foresheet So whatever you're writing or printing or doing anything you are most probably writing on a foresheet and is not it's made by anybody but so as WordPress data liberation project is what press Getting to be the a4 of the web is this the the standard is this like the Last fight back of the open source against the gated gardens of People who are trying to take over the web Well, I think with you know infinite scroll it's like those dot matrix printers just goes on forever Do you remember those? Used to print out the signs a lot of people don't recognize that I feel a little old This ditches on the edge. Yeah, I thank you Josepha I'm so glad we're getting younger generations in the WordPress The um, you know, it's paper good analogy. I'm not sure I do think of things like Railroad Engages so the idea that railroad sometimes used to have like different Wits and things and then we kind of standardized and we're able to connect all the railroads in the United States and I think about this a lot when I travel because there's so many different plugs But actually a cool thing like I saw at the hotel and they actually all the plugs are kind of like one of those Usual plugs you can plug anything into it. I was like, oh, that's kind of neat Maybe that's the future like why does every single country? Well, not every country But you know there's so much variation and it feels a little silly to have to carry around all these adapters For the web I think about for data liberation Even when an export is available There's a lot more term. I forget if Corey doctor or someone else said it but called malicious compliance Corey said that yeah So Governments are finally coming in and saying hey some of these big companies You're really locking in users in ways that seem hostile or anti competitive or just not nice so could you open up and Sometimes the company's like really open up in a cool way and sometimes they open up in this term called malicious compliance Where it's kind of open but gosh it's such a pain in the butt that it's almost impossible to use even some well-intentioned things like a Google's takeout feature really impressive. You can get everything from your Google account out But You know when I do that which I do a couple times a year to analyze some of the data It takes like you know 24 to 48 hours to generate like there's this Like hmm, I could just scroll on this page and kind of extract it from the HTML Or I can press the export button. They're gonna send it to me two days later Like that makes it hard for integrations. There's no API's for a lot of these things And it's tricky When there have been API's for some of these things for example Facebook used to have a ton of API's They actually got really attacked for it right because Cambridge Analytica used it to gather a lot of data So data being open can also be abused So these are these are very tricky topics What do I think is is not tricky at all is you accessing your own data and I believe every single person's a human right that all of us should have immediate standard format and Open access to our own data on these services And where it doesn't exist we should write code to get it and that's the idea of data liberation Because a lot of these companies aren't even bothering with malicious compliance. They're just saying, you know We're we're like a roach motel your data checks in it can never get out and So that's what I want to do I want to develop just a completely open-source set of things that can whether it takes scraping or spidering or you know, whatever it is to get your own data out and And then that could be you can either go into WordPress or you know We're since WordPress is open itself that can then be a bridge to pretty much anything else that people want to do with it And I think that'd be very pop powerful be incredible gift We could give to the open web at large and would sort of effectively increase user freedom quite a bit So I introduced this in the state of the word in Madrid in December It started off a little slower than I would like If you are a company looking for a way to increase or five to the future Contributions adopting one of these data liberation projects Can be really incredible and it doesn't just need to be from other Services, you know, we something we kicked off at WordCamp US was actually all the learning LMS plugins getting some data compatibility for some of their common data and We basically got all or not all but I think almost all the big LMS is in the room in WordPress So even increasing compatibility within WordPress, I think would be pretty darn neat. So that's the plan It's kind of a Gutenberg did by the way So Gutenberg tried to create a common block format because we saw this user need around Sort of page builders and more atomic editing and good more try to create a common format That is easy to get things in out of in that to and out of so Thank you for your question Thanks Hello, Matt. My name is Piotrek and I'm originally from Poland and Speaking about the old things that are keep recurring within the WordPress There is this WordPress.com and WordPress.org issue or like a division that only seasoned people within the community understand and Would it be possible to retire WordPress.com maybe Replace it with like jetpack. I don't work there right now. So I guess I'm kidding I'm kidding and then just have a different name WordPress.org, you know as one thing that nobody can you know misspell or Confuse with anything else Yeah, there's a few layers to that first. Thank you for the question And I wonder like was this like an original mistake Are setting all these things up We've had competitors who told us it actually made us way harder to compete with WordPress as a whole And then of course within the WordPress community some people have liked it and some people haven't I think one of the things Which is actually changing very rapidly which I know because I I've been reading the public blog of WordPress.com As you may have noticed they announced that their interface which previously was different From WP admin is now coming a lot closer So what this will mean is part of the confusion? I think stemmed from like if you got a WordPress tutorial or watch something or you had a client sign up for WordPress.com for hosting Which is I think great hosting they'd say like hey This button you said is there is actually over here or something or I can't find it And so unifying the interface is more which means WordPress.com coming basically back to WP admin I think helps some of that confusion quite quite a bit and then the name and As you all might know I'm a domain name at fishy and auto As you can see on there and ma.tt I would legally change my name to that if it was allowed by my government Which now let have a dot in your name or punctuation like that. I think you have apostrophes, but that would be kind of odd for The So we have w.org actually for WordPress and I find myself sometimes referring to it as w.org or warg You know resistance isn't futile, but resistance to freedom is So that's a reference to the Borg on on Star Trek But so work is kind of cool and that could be and it's just neat having a one letter domain name Like almost no one has that the other direction is we could keep WordPress.org is WordPress.org or WP.org and move WordPress.com to WP.com Which we have or I thought about like submitting like trying to get W.com It's never been issued so we'd have to like go through some sort of ICANN process or something I think we have a good argument for it. So that's kind of all the things. I'm considering. Please no one else go out and get W.com now Without that it'd be kind of tricky to so I think we'll still continue to like survey customers See what's going on see how this next change with interface sort of changes the the dissonance in the community and if it helps particularly around tutorials education just everything being a lot more cross compatible and Go from there. So that probably needs like six months to like sort of iron out See how the usage isn't everything and also just confusion so we can do surveys and everything and after that definitely going to readdress this Oh, thank you. I Also know some SEO people are like no don't change a domain Yoast is probably writing me a message right now I think we had it down here that was next y'all have to help me track the order So who was next? You okay, I think it was this one. I think sorry third the gentleman in the black shirt and Then okay Next Next so second. Do you have one over there on the side? Okay, third and then all the way up there fourth Is that something good? All right, and we're gonna get to a good amount of these. This is awesome. All right Okay, so Hello, Matt. My name is Tremi. I'm from Meghalaya, India and finally nice to meet you in person. So my question is You have I think back in 2014 or 15 you give the community to learn JavaScript deeply right so my question is like what will be the future of What press in term of like development Programming I'll be moving away like more into the Java script unless of PHP Is it will it go through like the same piece as what purpose is going right now? Thank you. Thank you Yeah, that was that was a fun a fun shift and I don't remember when it crossed over and someone can fact check this but I believe The majority of new code in WordPress is JavaScript now and has been for some time So in many ways you could argue by what's the majority of activity happening That Gutenberg has made us sort of a JavaScript first project And that shift was not easy. A lot of people had to learn new things. It was it was Very very very impressed without the WordPress community did that You know, I said the learn deeply thing one other time. Do you know when it was? Yeah in Porto December 2022 or November Summer 2022 anyways before chat to BT came out. I said learn AI deeply So if you want to know where I think things are going that's where it is and That's probably doesn't mean that we're going to be able to run AI models like on $3 a month shared hosting But I do think that we are all going to be using AI in our daily lives to augment our development find bugs Fuzz things test improve everything from the code to the writing to the review times on the plug and cue or whatever it is And so that's where I'd encourage y'all take that time that you put into learning JavaScript to at least play with these tools every day If you can I don't remember all the numbers who is yeah All right Hey, Matt There we go. I'm Russell from Bangladesh. I work as a marketer for a plug-in development company what I wanted to ask you is a some features as a content management system in WordPress are to be honest a Little dated in terms of their architecture on or in terms of their design and as a marketer There are some features that I need specifically to manage my content and manage my media so What would some of those be do you mind sharing? For instance the media library Content does involve a lot of media So when I'm trying to manage media on my own website or on our clients website It becomes difficult to actually track with track it with the media library inside WordPress So I'll have to depend on third-party plugins that will actually let me manage them So there are some basic features that I would say Do should not actually require development from third-party plugins that are that should be actually intuitively included in the CMS So I actually in got involved into the core recontribution and I started a Ticket so that I the features integrated it. Thank you. So but I made that ticket later I'll check it out because I have my own wish list. Sure. Sure. So my question is When you're actually implementing new features in core What's the line you draw between Features that should be available as third-party plugins and features that should be included in core Well, that is a good question because I would say it's one of the hardest things we do in core and there is both an art and science to it, so And I think we've gotten it wrong many many times Well, we brought some things in that we end up taking out later or moving into a plug-in or just deprecating entirely and I Know for a fact There's many many areas media library would be a great one that We could use a lot more like I would and we think what's on my media library last I actually So I have over 30,000 photos uploaded ma.tt Because I used to you know carry a camera everywhere because I was really shy I just so normally at a word camp. I just take like 150 photos and upload them all and so that added up really quickly over the years So I have a lot of these actually like a large media company Indexing it and actually back in the day had some really cool features that have regressed So for example, I had a people tagging feature or and then a taxonomy for people It's part of why we developed custom taxonomies was My photo blog There was indexing alt tags comments the metadata that we put in like the What's the name of the the format exit metadata? So things I would love are being a reverse So being able to see which media is embedded in which post Almost like a that's the ticket. Oh, thank you a round of applause for him. That's awesome. Oh What are the chances I Won't be able to do that I wanted to do way more sort of the idea of like the sort of the golden copy of things and then you have different versions Of it with different crops or or filters or other things in different contexts. We don't have a good concept to that We're just creating new files for everything We still don't handle he IC files well at least with however my PHP is configured Maybe that's a server issue, but gosh I feel like we should be doing so much more processing on the client side and maybe even pushing some of that if I'm editing something Maybe that's faster to do in the browser in the JavaScript Which now have incredible virtual machines and really fast processors than it is trying to do that on the server side so those are some of the things on my mind around it and Yeah, it's no other stuff is probably still CD and stuff like jetpack photon Which does like the real-time resizing and everything like that like that's still a little tricky But yeah, so that would be some my core media wish list if anyone from cores here. We'll write it down Thank you. Oh Finally you said how do we decide? Yeah, I wish I could say it's just the things I like but there's so many things. I like that aren't in core So it's really it's a it's all in the tickets So it's that conversation. Usually we debate it At our best, you know, people try to understand both sides of it coming in or not really really well I love the Charlie Munger thing where you should be able to argue your opponents side of a debate just as well as you can argue your own or even better and Use that to find like where it fits I would say our balance that I think about is kind of what everyone needs But also how do you build what people are going to need? Down the line and many times of WordPress, you know We have some features built in that no one's asked for originally but now I consider them crucial So our integrity as a content management system, for example the revision system You'd be shocked at how many other content management systems you edit something and the old versions are gone So if you ever want to go back and know who edited or anything like that They just don't have it the data does not exist So how can you be a true content management system if you don't have that at that point? You're just like file editing without version control. It's ridiculous You can tell I judge content management systems a lot I use them all so it's like I'm like, wow, I can't believe they don't have this so That's that's kind of how the thought process goes and I can't wait to see your argument for why that should go in core I might drop in a little plus one there Thank you Okay I'm at my name is Anand. I am from India So last year me and puja we were planning to attend what can be you know And she might have also told you that's before the session that we couldn't attend because our visa got rejected And that's not about us. This happened with a lot of people from India, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan Especially from our region and there was a common reason Uh, because they doubted the authenticity of visa letter issued by what can be wrote Can you say that one more time? They raised the issue there is the question about the authenticity of visa letter that was issued by what can be wrote because the question is that The event was happening in Athens and the visa letter was issued by an organization that is registered in san francisco so this is the common reason that we all got and And after at the time there was a lot of discussion on the slack also And the p2 post was also posted that there is need of having a registered organization in europe as well So that this cannot happen in the future But still this year i can i have seen as Such same communication same communication on the slack few years few days back and the wcu slack has that They are still issuing the visa letter from that part of india, but that part of the world So it can still become tough for us to Get a chance to experience the work in europe So can we do something about this? I mean probably Because now we have work in patria to get the experience of work him Plexure work him but still we want to explore that part of the world How about what is the experience of that work in europe and work in us? Yeah, so first i'll say even though i travel a lot I'm not an expert in visas Uh, i've definitely experienced though where i like have to mail my passport off for a couple weeks or But usually they go through i haven't had one the night yet So the first thing i'll say is you know what they're a loss How many awesome people that that country miss having in it? Which country was it? of athens greece Yeah, they missed out on tourism dollars. They missed out on so much Two i would say that it's been really cool Here in taiwan to have like some support from the government and i think we even had a congressperson speaking the other day who Used to organize wordpress meetups so you know the thing you just described is kind of a common sense thing Like there's a really good explanation for it and i totally get that maybe at some level of some bureaucracy Someone felt like they couldn't make that decision But if someone may be a level or too higher they can say hey look at this these events happen Every year all these years this is a contributor that these are you know There's a million ways where i think you could easily justify Why it's a really good idea to issue visa so we're camp attendees Perhaps that could be something we consider you know before choosing a location in the future and looks like josefa's going to say that we are Do you want the mic? Hi, it's still me i'm still josefa Oh, thank you good Yes, so this is something that we can certainly look at and we do look at when we're trying to decide what country what city to go to but also We have a crackerjack legal team at the at the old automatic place and so we can talk to them to see what options are available to us and Yes, that's Probably the best bet because i also am not an expert in visas Well, thank you josefa How can we also use the size and influence of our community to Get these issues heard by the right people I don't know exactly who the right people are in some of these different places But i'm sure we could figure that out and especially with the collective intelligence in this room And finally I will say You know do a work camp idea. I'll be there So get everyone trying to go to your country Some other people but is that about work camp idea or I've been pushing so I don't know there's something in the middle. We'll figure it out All the way over here, right Remember if y'all could help me track the order And this was the last one we chose right you were the fourth Or was there anyone I chose after this okay next okay, so First second, okay, let's see how about Way up there. Let's start at the top of work over down third fourth fifth sixth Okay, so we'll start up there and then work over down Oh, okay. We'll we'll lightning round Hi matt This is prema from wp manage ninja. I'm from bangladesh actually and I'm also organizing this event and Thank you. We had We had a successful work camp last year in cillet bangladesh and this year we are also arranging a work camp cillet And my question is that like we are arranging work camps But in our community the women participation is very less Like they do know about the community. They know about what press 90 percent of women are educated about it But still they are dropping so what resources currently do you have now so that I can inspire so Many more women from my community Do you have any resources Like Angela jen Hi everyone So oh my name is Angela jen. Um, yes Hi So wonderful question Come join the community team. We have a number of resources on our DEIB diversity equity inclusion and belonging page And uh, we will we absolutely want to help you with that Okay, y'all ready for the lightning stuff. Okay start start up there top row. Yep Yep, what's that? Oh, you don't have a mic Well, that would help Thank you. Thank you for the opportunity. I am ganga kafle from nipal The most beautiful workplace community we have please And I can probably say that And everyone was asking questions to matt But I would like to thank him for making workplace and making our living from workplace. Thank you matt. Thank you Thank you Hi matt. My name is ahmet one of the organizers of wordcam asia 2024 Since my esteemed colleague didn't ask the question. I'll take the opportunity I just like this as a plan. That's right. So matt you've been to taiwan. There was wordcam taiwan 2023 but wordcam asia happened first time in taiwan I want to hear two takeaways that you got from this event. Thank you You know, I'll say first one. I'm supposed to go quick So the first one I'll say is that I you know particularly from null's talk and sort of the talk around the plugin ecosystem and everything I've been germinating a lot of ideas particularly how to change the wpa admin dashboard to make it a little more app like And allow launching into different experiences. I'm not sure yet how this is going to interact with the new admin redesign Or or what so it's kind of in the different phase, but it's sort of also highlighted for me that our plugin taxonomy That you can have kind of solo plugins community plugins or commercial plugins is going to be really really critical to this And I think it's not well understood and I'd like to look at the numbers for how much it's being used right now And but how we present that in directories and essentially our version of the app store And if there are things that we maybe even change with the with the terminology of plugins to sort of recognize that maybe Mainstream might be more familiar with the idea of kind of apps or modifications It's a little tricky because plugins do actually change wordpress, you know They're not like their own separate things like on a smartphone where you're launching an entirely new thing Some of them are but many are not so and maybe that's something else to put in the taxonomy I guess this is something that's modifying existing WP admin screens Is it integrating with them or is it kind of replacing that like it's it's a whole new thing you have a whole new section And how should that work navigation wise? I think becomes very very interesting There could be a modality kind of like on google where there's kind of like the nine dots On the top right and that that has like a little app launcher something that could be kind of interesting um, the second thing is that uh ty pay Um has it was too short and I don't think I can eat anymore the rest of the trip I've had beef noodles several times a variety of dumplings soup dumplings like I was like that was one of the things I'm a big foodie and wow, uh ty pay has definitely delivered So thank you Hi, my uh, my name is sam. I am from Indonesia I want to ask you a question about Gutenberg What do you feel about the current state Gutenberg so far and How do you plan to reduce the level of abstraction? Inside the Gutenberg because I feel that Gutenberg might be how you Harder to contribute as uh, you know like new developers Thank you Oh, thank you, and let me do a quick check Um, because we started late kind of a little extra Since we started late. Yeah, okay. Thank you. I was here on time Just can just can Gutenberg, uh The level abstract I think the development Honestly is something that you gotta learn and I think that the way that Gutenberg does development and the javascript first Is kind of future of most web development. So it isn't familiar for me as well. By the way It's not what I learned originally And there are probably some abstractions that we could simplify But by and large I would dive into it and please avail yourself of The word camps the tutorials the other people in the channels like let's see each other Like so much of the learning and WordPress is peer-to-peer And I think you will find in the Gutenberg core developer community a lot of It even openness you could suggest like hey Do you mind doing like a little zoom and showing me something or something like that? Certainly it happens at word camps on developer and contributor days I'd love for that to happen more outside of our in-person events Um in terms of how I feel about Gutenberg, you know, I have the thing where I'm like the unhappiest WordPress user in the world So I do I I just you know when I use the software I I can see in my head Where we're going to be And I just get so impatient for where we are right now You know when we started Gutenberg we said it was going to be a 10-year project And so it feels like we're that 60 to 70 of the way there Um the collaboration is going to be huge I think there is a lot of interface things. I think we could have better terminology or simplify Some of the things that we have dropped down should maybe be radios There's there's just a lot in there that I think could be a lot more intuitive And more visual so that as you're changing things you're kind of seeing what it's going to change And you get kind of more of that like a tactile feel from interacting with the software and the blocks So that's what's on my mind for it. Thank you for the question in this section. How are we doing? Okay, but Um, hello Uh, uh, finally it's really nice to meet you in person. So this is tohid al-Islam. I have a complete different question So before asking my question, I would like to say that as a muslim I stand with israel So, uh, I do have uh that specific question. So you know, I'm going to answer any questions about that whole stuff Is that the question? The question the question is all about, uh, you know, there are so many contents that are really dangerous for specific groups, you know like What should I say it's all about anti-semitism or you know, pro-terrorism something like that Are you planning for any projects in the future to, you know, uh, You know block those anti-semitism and pro-terrorism contents in the future, especially there are so many people There are so the many group people they are going to buy some websites from wordpress.com You know, uh, it will be really really dangerous for specific, uh, you know group So I would love a great answer from you. Thank you so much. Thank you Um, so this is a moderation question I'm trying not to comment on moderation stuff anymore, but this is a good one. Um, So a wordpress.com all that sort of stuff There's whole trust and safety teams actually have a particularly on dot-com a really good record of You know, there's there's some I think very reasonable rules and it's built a very good reputation over the past 18 years over Addressing this type of contents when it does pop up things against groups whether that's anti-semitism or anti-muslim or all the Anti's that are Represent the the lesser angels of our nature In terms of within wordpress, you know, we don't have a team on wordpress.org But also it doesn't come up very much because it's mostly just discussion about the software But the volunteers do take things down immediately when there's something that is out of line with our community guidelines And finally, I'll just say that open source And particularly the guidelines and norms of our community are very very inclusive And so all my things I'm most proud of especially when I look around this room Seeing folks from all over the world coming together united by a common vision and even competitors You know, maybe commercial competitors or Places where sometimes countries or leaders of countries are disagreeing with each other the people are coming together Um, it's great something that belongs to all of us. It's open source So it really belongs to humanity and that sort of pro humanism Stance, you know, especially in a world where there's so much stuff which is frustrating or confusing or like Driving me crazy. I'm sure many of y'all it's nice to be involved with something where we can um, I'll work together so and there's uh, is there a crook or Does a crook more question. Okay. One more question from me actually. Oh If that's so sorry to the folks up there, uh, if you uh, like send it to me Tweet me the question or leave a comment on my blog and I'll answer it. So those uh, three folks right there So state of the word, uh, this past year was for the first time Outside of the united states and I'm curious if you have any plans for this year where it might be Hmm What is what are the suggestions? India, uh, I do like that. I gotta admit those it might be someplace where I just was right before this So I'm proud to announce that state of the word, uh for 2024 will be in Tokyo So on December 16th 2024, um, I think we're actually gonna have a couple hundred seats in there So let's say what's the capacity 250 or 350 in the theater? Pretty Perfect. So I'd love to see some of you there. I just got back from Tokyo It's one of the most amazing cities in the world on so many levels We have this beautiful venue at like the top of the building and then we'll do like a fun thing afterwards in our gallery So, um, can't wait to see some of you there This is going to be a very exciting state of the word because more stuff is happening in 2024 in a very very long time And with that, I just want to say thank you to every single person in this room because you are what makes WordPress So let's keep making it together And I believe the organizing crew is coming on now, right? All right. See you