 Welcome to Dare to Dream. This is Debbie Daschinger, and today's show features the amazing Kelly Bocher, who channels physical and non-physical beings from all dimensions, realms, timelines, and incarnations. She will be channeling later on in the show. This is again the Dare to Dream podcast with Debbie Daschinger, and this show has won the COV Award for Best Real Podcast Show, Welp Magazine, Let's Dare to Dream as one of the top 20 best podcasts to listen to. It is a high-ranking self-improvement show on Apple Podcast and nominated for two People's Choice podcast awards and for a Webby Award. This show is sponsored by Dr. Dane Heer and Access Consciousness to learn more about the amazing work they do facilitating out in the world. Go to drdaneheer.com. I'm Debbie Daschinger. I am a media visibility expert. I'm a book writing coach. So I teach spiritual messengers how to get the idea out of their head onto paper and published. I also take books to a guaranteed international bestselling status. I do all the heavy lifting for the author and I guarantee results. And finally, I show you how to get booked on radio and podcasts. I teach you the entire system of how to do that and what's so beautiful about it. It's also how to get results. So for the time you invest on being interviewed, you can start building up your tribe, your database, your followers, fill your workshops and more. Everybody who's taken the class has done so, so well and you can too. I'd like to start you out with a free gift so you can learn how to get more visible for your business, your being and your message. Go to Debbie Dashinger.com slash gift. It's D-E-B-B-I-D-A-C-H-I-N-G-E-R.com slash gift. My guest today, Kelly Boker's transformative journey blends her diverse professional background, 23 years of nurturing and educating future caregivers in the CNA program with her innate spiritual calling. In 2022, during her final year of teaching, Kelly embarked on a profound path channeling her guides and delving into spirituality in a way that brought realms to offer solace and connection. Her book, Redefining Faith, captures her evolution from wounded to awakened, a testament to her guides' unwavering support. Now, Kelly shares her insights through one-on-one sessions and group gatherings both in-person and remotely, offering channeled readings, spiritual mentoring and light language blessings. You can contact Kelly on Facebook at Kelly Newt NUTE Boker B-O-W-K-E-R or book an appointment with her at presentmomentmagic.as.me. You can explore Kelly's books on Amazon, charting a course to self-discovery and embracing life's mysteries. And with that, I welcome Kelly warmly to the Dare to Dream show. Oh, it's so great to have you. It is wonderful to be here, Debbie. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah, this was so meant to be. And I'm so psyched that strangely you're here. We kind of both know the journey of how you got here. And I feel like I was guided, you were guided. And yeah, and that's how we connected and even how the guides opened a space for you on the show. They did. We can always count on them. Always count on them. Yeah, we were talking in the beginning about the little nudges we get. And it's pretty profound. People call it their gut feeling, their intuition, the nudges, the winks. It's all the same thing. And clearly your journey has had a lot of that in it. So I'm curious, because in your bio, it says you went from wounded to awakened. Those are very powerful polar words. Can you talk about the woundedness and what was the bridge that got you over to awakened? I think that I would describe the wounded aspect of myself as that part of me that was programmed as a young person into the beliefs of partly the Baptist religion. I'm not saying anything against any organized religion. But for me, it didn't resonate. So it always created within myself a conflict, an incredible amount of guilt. I felt less than, not good enough. I never was going to be a good enough. I felt such an incredible love for God. And at the time, I used the language I understood, God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit. And I felt that connection. And I lived my life. I've lived a pretty happy life. And, but I say that, you know, when we talk about the nuns, our team gives us the tap, gives us the this, and then you get the two before if you don't listen. And in my late fifties, the two before we're starting to come out with me, just not, certainly not as hard a big of a two before as a lot of people end up with. But enough for me. I got to a place of just feeling like I didn't know who I was, feeling fulfilled as a woman. I have blessed to be in a very happy, at that time around 39, 40 year marriage. Now it's 42. And I just wasn't feeling okay. And when I told my husband that his first thought was, it had to do with us, but it didn't, it had to do with me. It had to do with me finding my authentic self. And so I got to a point of being so. Not okay in my own skin, not okay in my life. And I knew I needed to do something. So I started some counseling. And when I did that counseling, it wasn't a lot. It was only for about three or four months every other week. But in there somewhere at the end of one of our sessions, she looked at me and she said, Kelly, I think I've missed an important thing about you. It is you need to look up what it means to be an empath. And when I looked up what that meant, that is the cork out of the genie's bottle. And the rest, as they say, is history. And that's less than two years ago. So that's so interesting. I would consider myself an empath too. But I don't have the gifts you do. So when you get this big aha about being an empath, then what starts happening? Do the guides start talking to you? Do you start spontaneously channeling? What is the occurrence? So I had been meditating for about five years because of the different taps that the guides had given me. I started to have some illness. I started to have some anxiety, different things that I've never experienced in my life. So I'm a very grab things and get things figured out kind of gal. And so I dove into the internet and I learned how to meditate. And I started to embrace that side. And I was like, I don't know, I don't know. I don't know. You say, you know, they were definitely nudging me now, looking back. I really get it. But at the time you didn't, you know, like I'd be walking down the hallway to go to meditate. And I just would get this just impulse, you know, this, and it would be, they would just say. Meditate with the lights off, meditate with the lights on, sit up, lay down, your phones in each day, there would be something different. And they, they were, they were guiding me. I was like, I don't know how to hear them. Now, looking back, I get it. I really understand that. And when the thing about, I really probably, other than taking one. Quiz online about being an empath. And I think it was something like 35 questions. And it said that if you had 15. Yeses out of 35, you were an empath. And I think I had 32. Yeses. Yeah, but that was just like a leap frog place. I, it allowed me to finally say yes. To the metaphysical side of the world. And let go for once and for all of the dogma fears. And beliefs. I mean, you've got to realize it was, you know, people who channeled according to, and people would still say that from the religious sect. That I'm, I'm doing stuff for the devil that I'm evil, that I'm channeling demons, you know, I mean, they would, they would think I was possessed. And so I had to really get over that fear. And I really, really can say that my guides and my team was so kind and so gentle as they brought me along. They would, I would, they just, they just nurtured me and brought me along a little bit at a time. And so as I, when I dove into that side of the internet, I found out about mediumship. And at the time I found out about evidential mediumship. And that was so much of a blessing for me and such a big stepping. I don't know what that word means. Evidential. Evidential mediumship. Evidential mediumship that the medium is able to bring through concrete irrefutable evidence. Like I brought through the name Fred for a woman and her nickname had been Fred all of her life. Things like that. I mean, it's evidence, it's true evidence. And now that that's not a part of my journey anymore. And that's a whole different story. But that evidential mediumship piece is so important. It allows us to once and for all, let go of that left brain egoic idea of I need it. I need proof. I need to know. Well, if I can tell you that you put a loaf of bread in the freezer this morning, and yes, you did, that's pretty good evidence. You know, there, those kinds of things, you know, I'm the, the, the, it's always kind of odd, but it's irrefutable and, and it does take away the doubt. And I needed that. And, and I found lots of, of examples of that. And that was, took away the last bit of armor around my heart and around my soul. And it let me just open up. And you mentioned this incredibly happy marriage. And I know you've got a family and. I know you've got a family and you've got a family and you've got a family and you've got a husband. And you've got a husband, and you've got a husband that is very, very much exponential. How did they receive all of this change in you? Do they have praise with the work you're doing right now? It is a challenge in some ways because my husband and I have basically been glued at the hip for 42 years. Now, if he's out working or doing something, that's okay, but if he has free time, he wants me to have free time. And so that's hard for him because I have to follow this dream. And I have, I don't know what it's going to hold. People will say to me, you know, like, do you want to do this? Do you want to do that? I don't know until the guides tell me if they drop it into my lap, and they give me a nudge in one direction or the other. I just today had that kind of experience. Then you know, yep, this is the way I'm supposed to go. And I just follow that and I know that is the path to joy. But when I told Michael, I began to channel in January. And in the next, the following March, just a couple months later, I did my very first mediumship reading and brought through evidence. So that was, because I can tell you all of your listeners that when you begin this journey, or at least I did, you really question your sanity. You know, you really wonder, am I making this stuff up? Am I, am I crazy? What does crazy look like? You know, I mean, you really do wonder. And but when I brought through the evidence in the mediumship reading, that was proof for me too. It was just black and white stuff. There's just no way I could have made up or grasped that or known. And when I got home from work that day, and I'd done the reading, I, Mike and I were having cocktail hour, and he started to put music on and I, because we typically listen to music at night. I said, sweetheart, we need to talk, which for all of you, you know, men just love it when you say you need to talk. So I, but I did and I explained what had happened. I asked him, you know, if he understood what a medium was and I explained it a little bit. And I don't think I've ever loved him more than when he got tears in his eyes when I said, I can't not do this. And he looked at me and he said, of course you can't they've chosen you. And when he said that I truly I don't think I've ever loved him any more than that moment. I love him right now too by the way, I think that is so extraordinary and rare and beautifully supportive so Michael, I hope you're feeling the love right now from all of us kudos to you and clearly right soul contract. He was chosen for each other and somewhere in his soul contract. He knew his highest soul over soul knew it would come a time when he would need to show up for you so Bravo that he is fulfilling that. That's so extraordinary and tell us what comes through you because we you've made it clear you don't do the medium ship anymore. It sounds to me based on your story like that actually was perfect that you did it. That was a piece of your journey, you needed. So you stop the am I crazy kind of going on and that you were able to shift with the proof into Oh my goodness this is for real don't come in from, but this is happening. So, so now we're here. Now we know you channel you do light language blessings which I love. And who comes through you and what is that experience like. Oh, it's glorious quite frankly. Okay, I'm going to back up just a snitch and say that. So I did my first medium ship reading in March. The following June is when light language came through. I feel that when light language came through for the first time. If there was an unlocking. There was a the channeling that I had brought through up to that point. Much more familiar feel when I when I say that I mean like that energy that when I would connect to the Holy Spirit and I would say my prayers, and I would feel that love that's that it felt very familiar. And, but when light language came through. It's like they plugged me into to 20. And all of a sudden, things were changing quickly that was when the evidence piece started to ever way, because I was hung up on it, the left brain the ego I've got to do it right I can't. I if you if that's what it is to be a medium I have to be able to bring through the evidence I have to I have to. The guides kept saying, it will come if it's needed, it will come if it's needed but it just felt so glitchy because I didn't realize that not every medium isn't a channel. I've never been to a medium. And I didn't realize that that I because it came so naturally, the very first time that I did a medium ship reading I channeled the woman's father he came through and spoke. I was a convoluted back and forth because I didn't understand all the vibes that were coming through. But I didn't realize that wasn't the way it was for everybody. When I sit down and someone says I want to hear from Dad. I feel a push behind my face. They want to talk, it's a blending. So, to answer your question Debbie, I bring through the all we are all one. And the question is, I reach as you introduced me across dimensions timelines incarnations and realms I reach. I set my intention for love and light for the highest and the greatest that I can be a channel for and the energy just comes and I my job will start to shiver. I will shiver varying amounts, according to what entity is coming through. But to get specific, I would say, I channel physical and non physical earth beings. Non physical so people that have passed away. There's no question that if I'm channeling for you. Loved ones that have passed away out of your life are part of that, because they love you, and they want they're interested in you, and they've they've got an opening. So they're going to be sending through so you would be able to ask, Dad, you know, did you suffer at the end of your life. And to come through and talk to you about that experience. But what he, but what I'm done trying to do is holding dad back and say, Dad, tell me something Debbie's done today. It's going to prove to her that this is really you. I'm not I'm that's the piece I'm done with, but does he come through absolutely do I bring through angels and entities from other dimensions entities both physical and non physical. That's where the physical part comes. They, I had a being come through me one day and they said, there are both physical and non physical beings the physical beings in other dimensions in other planetary realms with this is how they word it with their technology and their intellect can through benevolence interact and assist humans. Isn't that cool. Oh cool. So cool. This is so yummy. Yay, thank you. My jam right here. Wow. And I love the fact, you know, that my parent who passed for instance might show up but in a different way without the whole proof situation but just be part of the conversation to disseminate something that's important. Right. What a great gift you have a great gift. Such a good. And Kelly, I definitely want to give people an experience of this aspect you're discussing. Would you be willing to channel for us right now is this kind of love to. I would love to. And is it fairly fast. Are you quiet just how would I, how will I specifically if it's okay with you, I would just start with a couple of breaths and and some light language. And, and I would say to your listeners that when light language comes through. It brings with it frequencies and codes that can I invite you to just have the idea that it can go within you and change you to whatever degree that you need. It can help release. It can change and open up knowing that you just trust me this is my life. All of a sudden it's like I'll be like, well okay I guess I know that now. And that's light language light language brings the frequencies that that ignite within us, our remembering of who we are and who we are is God. We are one with every being every living being conscious being we are one, and we just have to remember our way back to it. So I'll just bring through a little light language and I just invite you to say yes in your heart open up your heart and every cell. It can breath in and create some space for the magic to happen. As a command you say yes dear ones within your hearts. And we would take questions. Thank you. This is Debbie and I'm delighted to have you here and may I first ask who with whom am I speaking or with what. The energy that comes through Kelly is a frequency and a collective that comes through to match the question and the need of the moment. It is a blending of all. It is humans who like to be able to pigeonhole, but it is a beautiful blending of many, many realms and dimensions and beings. We say certainly Pleiadian, Octavian, many, many more that Kelly do does not even know the words to describe. She has been a very receptive vessel for us as we have come through, though she had her fears. And we had a pre agreement around how much fear and nervousness she could tolerate because she is a gentle soul. She has done remarkably well over a short period of time with the ideas of the aliens that are indeed part of her team. But yes, dear one, you are talking to all at your disposal, ask your question, and that will bring the more specific through. Beautiful. Thank you so much. And should something or someone come forward that wants to be identified. I welcome that to my new friend. So I would like to start with asking you about contracts because we touched on that in our conversation. So are there details about pre birth contracts. They are why they're here. How do we even know if we had a soul contract with somebody before we came here. Wonderful question, dear one. It is a very multifaceted question and so of course a multifaceted answer. When the soul decides to incarnate. There is, we show this one a big table. This is just for her to make sense of it. And they, there is a gathering of different souls, who, and also guidance and loving caregivers of the unfolding, we would say, giving guidance as to what plans get laid into place. There is often a determination on the part of a particular soul that perhaps has, excuse me, come to an incarnation not necessarily earthly but many incarnations with much gathering of growth and knowledge and beingness to come back to their soul with those can souls tend to be a bit pushy shall we say, because though the guidance will often be there that will say your maybe are biting off a bit more than you will want to chew. Sometimes they jump in head first. And so agreements are made. And when those agreements are made, often there are big, we would describe them like road signs along the journey. The happenings are the road sign the event. And there are many such things that are predetermined and laid out for the individual down on the physical plane, be it wherever it is, particularly in the earth plane. When the individual gets to their first sign their first event, they have an opportunity. They have an opportunity to awaken an opportunity to remember who they are. If they do that these subsequent happenings fall away. They are not needed any longer for the person's evolution. The happenings are for the evolution. There is, however, pre agreements of such that an individual out of love and kindness and care and compassion will choose a very difficult beginning, or a difficult timeline. That has the likelihood to cause such disturbance within them that they know it is very likely that they will in some way it is not a yes no you're definitely doing this or that, but it is likely that they will be in a vibrational frequency that would allow them to cause harm. And that is out of love that that entity lowers its vibration to such a level as to allow them to be so separate from them their higher self that they are able to be the perpetrator in what humans would call horrific events. The happenings are pre decided. Again, we say this one over here does have the opportunity to awaken within this lifetime. It is as likely, but it is absolutely possible. And this one over here will experience as many of those experiences as are needed for the eyes to be opened and the remembering to happen. I want to answer your question do it. It does. I have two follow up questions based on that and the first one is, how do you recognize that you're in a partnership a romantic partnership, or a deep friendship. I suppose family as well but I want to reserve the family piece for the second question, but how do you recognize that this is a soul contract I have with this person this is something we're meant to be together we're meant to walk this walk together, you know do this journey something special, different unique there, because I've experienced that, not often, but at times in my life, I have had that connection I had it recently, I did a six month shamanic class, and I definitely have a very unique connection with a woman who doesn't even live in this country Australia but we become in insanely close and caring and, and it feels like there's something special there I certainly feel that with my beloved. And so I'm just curious is it just like you get lucky sometimes with people or is it that there really is something there and how would you recognize that you used the term perfectly, you felt the connection. And that is exactly it. Where humans tend to go awry is when they have that connection that beautiful exchange happens remembering that each moment, the individual is creating their life their timeline. So, each moment there is the possibility of the frequency changing. But when you come together and you feel that frequency you feel it, you feel it, and you nurture it, and you enjoy it and you bask in it, and that is exactly what you said it is it is that knowing. That friend that you know even though she lives in a whole other country, you know, this one has been having many experiences very much like that. But it is wise to say that you have chosen the human journey. And if, as the creation of the individuals life changes on either side, the frequency, and there is not the resonant flexibility that would allow it to read define, then it is okay for it to be done. It does not mean it has to be a lifetime. If the two are blessed, and their journey keeps them in that vibrational resonance, and the work is done for the for the growth the personal growth of the human humans are not made to stay the same. They are made to evolve and to grow and awaken. That is why you come for range. So, when you feel that connection, enjoy that connection tend to that connection. It needs to be tended to in order for it to be a beautiful beautiful moving thing. It isn't this. It is this. It is a beautiful flow of two beautiful souls traveling this path together. Oh, that's so nice. Thank you and I have intimate experience of what you're saying I think for six or eight years I had a woman who I was best friends with like sisters like mad relationship. Yes, it had a falling out at the beginning of coven and she went she chose to go her way it was very painful for me, because I love pretty deeply. But I came to a point of acceptance. And interestingly enough she's just coming back in my life. I don't have any expectations or anticipation I feel very at peace today with what we had but I know exactly what you're saying I think it lived its mission for the time. I mentioned, it was a great example when you said, there is a contract, and there's guidance, when the contract is made at the soul level before the soul incarnates and that there are times when one of the members of the soul group will say you know, I'm going to do something really awful to you. Maybe I would rather do anything else in the world because I really love you but I'll play that part. So you have the experience and can learn lessons. You want so everybody like a play, you know chooses their character and says I'll go down and do this. So for people who have had that experience where it was rough beginnings where they did have trauma and misfortune I'll call it. And they're making their way out they're finding their way you know spiritually working on themselves, but I have noticed a lot of people who come from that space to shift into real ownership of love of self care of self. You know that that there's a real health with self learning doesn't always happen because the trauma still perpetuates. Can you speak to that. And what is possible for somebody to make that final shift and really fully embrace and love themselves like wounds warts and all. Is that okay, because this this has been. I'm very blended right now. That's just the way that it works but it's, it'll just, I just this is how we'll do this every collective who finds their channel typically has themes that they bring through. And my guides theme, a great part of it is the relationship between me and me and giving me tools to understand it and to teach it. And when I'm doing my one to ones, that is a lot of what I'm teaching. And because people have to exactly what you said Debbie they have to understand that self love. I had a beautiful beautiful 40 something year old woman look at me just recently and say, I don't understand what that means to love myself what does that mean. And I think a real key in this and then I'm going to turn it over to the guides but a real key in this that I didn't quite understand until I talked it through with her. It is almost like a third party relationship. The guides explain the continuum of emotions. And there is a center point in that continuum this side, you have all of the ups, all of the ups the joy that are the wonder and this side with them, all the bad stuff the anger the depression, the anxiety all that. There's a spot in the middle that they call neutral and only two days ago, they said, because up to that point they had been saying that is your adult self that neutral place is your adult self, and all of these other emotions. We can think of this is a theory to just entertain a wave thinking we can think of as our inner child. We get the happy fun from our inner child, and we get the anxiety and the anger and the grump from our inner child. All of that is that inner child. This bit in here is our adult self and just recently they said it's also the perspective of source energy that neutral perspective that pulling back and looking at what's going on, and having no opinion about what it is. Source has no opinion. There is no duality on the other side, there is no good and bad, it's all experience, it's all experience. That's the truth. And so they, when we talk about the relationship between me and me, we come at it through our adult cells. We can think of it as also the perception or the perspective of source. And we talk to that inner child that is feeling scared or feeling anxious or feeling mad. And we are just like if I were to bring my beautiful little grandbaby up onto my lap. We talk to her and we tell her how precious she is and I literally, Kelly, literally, I will sit and I will see my little girl, and I will say baby doll, what's going on with you you seem upset why are you upset. Now we can't do that in the run of a day when we're out at our jobs and stuff but when you have those little triggers I'm not talking the catastrophic things I'm talking that little bit of anxiety when when you have to walk into a room or the person that's on the phone Oh, God, you know, and you've got to pick up that phone. Why they're your inner child knows why the inner child holds the answer, and you having that relationship that nurturing kind relationship with your inner child will help her to be okay. And if you're out in the world and you stop feeling that feeling like Oh God, I'm starting to not feel okay. You can say adult Kelly can say to inner Kelly, sweetheart, I can tell you're getting nervous. I want you to go into that safe space that beautiful, beautiful safe space that's in your heart. And I want you to just stay there and play and be joyful and happy and I've got this. I don't have to worry. I got this. We're going to be okay. I got you. Go play and have fun. And there is so much power in that. There is so much power in that. Turning it over to the appropriate one to deal with things but also acknowledging what's going on. And I really was fascinated by that part you said that the inner child has all the answers so to let she or he express itself. Yeah, and let you know what's what's happening. What, why, like that. Exactly. And Debbie, when is the last time I would ask all your listeners to really think about that when it's the last time that somebody said to you, sweetheart, what can I do for you right now that's going to feel better. And I am practicing I need to practice just like everyone else. I'm practicing doing that when I feel a little overwhelmed if I'm feeling too tired if I will say Kelly Colleen sweetheart. You are talking right out what do you need right now to feel better. And when you ask the question by the very energy that inner need starts to think well gosh let me think. I need blah blah blah. I will say I will go to get my groceries and I will say to my inner child sweetheart guess what I'm going to buy you a surprise. And my inner child goes into this. Oh, yeah, what are we going to get. And it's just there's an energy to it. And what is the object of the game everyone the object is the frequency of the present moment is creating the timeline that you are on. And I want mine to be full of rainbows and unicorns. I want the awe and the wonder I want the love and the joy. And when we are when we are in that beautiful vibration of anticipation. What's coming. What could it be what could it be. Then that's bring in the rainbows and the unicorns. That's lovely. Thank you. I want to shift to talking some about extra terrestrials and contact is all the reasons and the stuff that I love so much so first I want to put you on the spot, but I feel like it's timely to be on the spot about an answer for this. How soon is extra terrestrial contact I know there's been contact since the beginning of time with earthlings I know I know and I know our DNA is part alien race. So I understand that's with that caveat I understand all of that clearly. But I mean really open contact how soon is that going to happen with extra terrestrials. The challenging part of that answer is that it already is now. However, dear one, there is no time. Every moment that ever has been or ever will be is happening now. So when you say to us, when will it happen from our perception, it's already there. We know that is not exactly what you are meaning. But we would say also to that question is that for the human who is on the evolutionary timeline of the raising of the frequency of the planet. It is not going to be that long. We are bringing people like Kelly, who only few weeks ago could not have said the words that ETS are part of my guides. She could not have spoken those words. And we have brought her with love and care and gentleness through her fear to the present moment being able to embrace the truth. She knows that this is part of her calling to talk about the relationship that has been going on between her and us for quite a period of time. It began when the light language came through with the light language when she spoke the light language for the very first time. The words, the English words so I can speak to my brothers and sisters came through and it freaked her out and she could not bear to think about it. And it took from last June to only a few weeks ago, maybe, maybe several months for her to begin to realize the reality of this truth. And in that meantime, we gave her some physical experiences we showed her some interesting things in the sky we visited her in a very fun little frolicy way and and she was able to see it in her physical world. And all of that has helped her because she was able to say, how did she feel when those things happened. Did she feel afraid no she did not. And so, we would say that when the collective is. Can't quite get the words give me just a minute. Accepting loving frequency raises to the right point. And it will be a positive thing for the majority. That is when the majority will have these kinds of experiences. No intention of terrifying the planet, but you certainly Debbie in your journey are very aware of how media has been used to control the perception of the masses. But now they have the beautiful access to the internet, which allows your the average person access to all information. And now we can work the magic of the frequency. The magic of when you click on that video. How do you feel. Do you feel drawn in or repulsed. And if you are listening to your guides, you're going to feel drawn to the right things at the right time. There's no skipping ahead. There's no changes, but it's much less, much less pain free than if you do it by the nature that it was intended. Not terribly satisfactory. However, you must realize that the frequency of your planet is an ever moving ever changing theory thing. There is no way to say, even from the perception of linear time. A distance. Thank you. I understand completely. I'm about to do a talk in a couple of months I'm flying to Mexico City, and I was asked to speak to the World Congress ufology event. I'm very excited about that and I decided just to talk about what I don't know, passionate isn't a great word, but I'll use that for want of a better explanation but I'm very passionate about extraterrestrial races and UFOs and galaxies and cosmos and shamanism. And so I'm going to speak about all of that. Tell me. Ancient shamanic practices, modern shamanic practices. Is there a link between that and our galactic families. Sometimes they're a little sassy. I gotta tell you. I'm not saying you know the answer to that. You feel it. You. Okay, now they're going to talk. You feel within your heart. The connection, you know there has been a relationship on from the inception of planet Earth are an active relationship between the benevolent who were nurturing and coaxing along the human race. And of course there have been those at every level that have been more open and their frequency more in tune. And their gifts more online so to speak, that allowed them to have those kinds of practices that you speak of. So, are you saying that alien races gave the shamans and the indigenous peoples, they're healing practices and their ability to time travel and go to different realms and dimensions. And I'm trying to make sure I'm not filtering so give me just a minute. Yeah. There has always been a blending of beings from all realms and all dimensions that have worked together for the betterment of the planet. And would we say that these kinds of teachings came from that. Yes, we would. Okay, wow. When they answered that I could see like, they show me pictures and so I could see like caves and fires and, and a definite feeling of like, I don't even know how to explain it but you, because I don't know about that Kelly doesn't know about it The journeys that the people would take you know going into the wilderness and, and finding themselves that would be when those kinds of events would happen for them. And they would perhaps, I see a blending. I see like, I don't make sense I will say because, okay, there are caves that are that are very, very ancient. And they have depictions of things that in those times according to the history we've been taught, it's impossible, but they do show alien races they do show spacecraft. And I think, I think, maybe what you're referring to as a vision quest, because that is something that indigenous people do and aborigines, aborigines do walk about. So these are all, you know, really important part of their culture. But exactly what you said like to find their spirit animal to connect with the divine to find out who they are sometimes come back with the name and, you know, it's a big shift in their, in their life process. That's feeling very right. That's feeling very right there. They're right here. And they also are nudging me to speak about, you know, one might do that kind of a journey with plant medicine and those kinds of tools to help the human to let go of their fear and their preconceived ideas and all of that stuff that holds us back from the blending that happens. When you can get out of the way. And very much so that this is certainly certainly a truth. Absolutely. I thank you so much for saying that and I've always been very open on the show and in my life, I have done plant medicine, I continue to do plant medicine. And it's, I find it amazing and there are ways that I'm guided that I feel like they need this to me through the plants to have me be in that state in order to take me further. Frankly, when my mom was about to die. I didn't even know she was going to die and I'm sorry. I just I got a call from the plants. That's the feeling to me literally we call her the grandmother and I felt called by the grandmother to come sit with her even though I hadn't sat with her for a year and a half. And intensively I thought it was about shamanism. I thought I was going to go and get all these amazing downloads about shamanism but actually she was preparing me through the whole two night ceremony. You know your mom's going to leave. And indeed I left that ceremony a week and a half later everything changed. So I feel like it's very beautiful and benevolent and wise those plants and it is about getting out of the way for their wisdom healing. Come up and sometimes you know you need to they do get a little sassy. Sometimes it's like I know what they want to say and I'm in my head going come on now guys. Got to be a little gentle here. But yeah they can be. So what so today we still have the indigenous right God bless them with all the cruelty they've endured that they're still here and I think their way showers right now I hope people are waking up to this so that's me. So the indigenous Earth civilizations have to teach us right now about their practices regarding the cosmos about other galactic beings anything of import. I'm actually feeling almost theory. The greatest gift that these peoples have to give is their connection to Mother Earth humans. On their journey, and to stay from the heart chakra and up with their desire to because they can look to the stars and they can imagine and wonder what the important biggest piece that they're missing is that when they do put their energy down into Mother Earth to the infinity that is Mother Earth. And all the gifts that will come when we learn when the human learns to walk in that energetic circuit that is the ultimate connection when you in your energy field your energy body is blended with the energy that is traveling up past into the cosmos, beyond the stars, beyond dimensions. Your energy is traveling, and it is releasing and it is gathering the codes and the frequencies that it needs, and it is transforming anything that can be transformed, and it loops back into the human, the humans energy field, and it's a beautiful infinity sign down into the infinity that is Mother Earth. And the same things happen. You are gathering what is needed you are releasing what is no longer serving you and you are transforming what can be transformed. And this is happening in all directions at all chakra points, and people do not utilize the tool, and it is an important piece. And the people that you speak of, they know the value of their feet on the ground. They know the value of thumping their heel on Mother Earth of having their naked foot in the dirt or in the grass upon her, the power that comes from that. They know also to look to the stars and look to Father sky and they know that they are the nucleus between the two. And that is what they have to teach. And that is where the power comes from all that people seek. And it is this connection that will facilitate them getting it. Right on. I love that answer. Holy moly. I love that answer so much. That had so much wisdom in it and, you know, and something came up for me regarding our earlier conversation so first of all, I have a new practice and I never was great at meditation or anything like that. When I was in school, I went through this practice where I go out in the backyard. I don't know what it'll do in the winter but right now I go out in the backyard. I put my feet in the ground. And the first thing I mean there's many things I do I open sacred space and so forth. And I have a whole practice that I do and it is in connection to Pacha Mamita, which is Mother Earth. And I have come to have a relationship with her that I never had before. And what I was going to suggest as a bridge to our earlier conversation when I was asking you about. There was somebody who has a contract a soul contract. And has experienced trauma in their life, maybe they've been through war, maybe who knows foster homes, maybe they've had terrible parents or siblings or, I don't know. Whenever the trauma was there. It was meant to be they're here to work it out to grow to learn and I was asking because so often there isn't a thriving there is not a full transition into self love, which I love to see for everybody. It occurred to me. One of the things I've used is that practice, and I often when I do my practice, I say, and I moved actually emotionally saying this because it's so meaningful to me. But I say to her, you are the greatest mother, you are the great mother, and I'm speaking to Mother Earth, and I mean that she has never failed to nurture me to love me to let me walk on her one more day to show me her beauty and her abundance and her resilience and her boundaries and I could go on and on my feeling for her and and so I just want to share that as a way that people listening or watching, if they're in that position and having that trouble transitioning to the self love. So be alone, put your feet in a safe place where you can, you know, just do your thing, whether it's a park or backyard, whatever, and allow mother to be there for you and allow that feeling of a real mother real mother relationship where you're so cared for and seen and adored. I say because I'm from Maine. So we don't put our feet on the ground all year long, just, I just want you to know that it's our intention that I can sit on an upper story, and with my intention, embrace Mother Earth. So don't I just want because there's many people that live where there's snow you can't put your bare feet in the snow. That's not that's not going to serve you well. She also said to me, I don't particularly Kelly doesn't particularly care about wind. It's not my favorite. And so when I channeled her the first time, and she said to talk to me about her, the elements fire and wind and rain and blah blah blah. I said, because she she's in my heart she's me I'm her. And she I said, I don't like the wind. And she said, when you turn your face to the wind and you feel the caress upon your cheeks. Think of all that when it's touched. It has touched so much of me. It's the reason why we love the water. It's the reason we love the ocean. When you put your hand in the ocean, the footprint of that ocean is so big on Mother Earth. When you turn your face to the, to the sky, when it's raining and you feel the raindrops on your cheek, that beautiful water has gone into Mother Earth and up to the heavens and down again. It feels the way it does to us. It's a kiss and a hug from Mother Earth. It is just, it's the most wonderful wonderful thing. So beautiful. Yeah. I wish. One thing that I will say is that my guides have really explained about the whole inner child work thing and I know people hate hearing it, but I have to say my truth as often as I have to say it. It is the truth that humans are programmed by the time they're about seven years old, and they spend the rest of their lives running on their subconscious programming. And we, we work on our subconscious programming like 90% of the time this is psychology. It's not spirituality. It's the psychology truth. But what I can tell you is that when you do that work of creating that relationship with that inner child, talking to your inner child, letting your inner child talk and express themselves and you love that inner child. You are creating within yourself all your needs being met. And you are meeting all of your needs with that connection to Mother Earth and the connection to the all the cosmos, and you are loving yourself in this moment that will well up and overflow into your life. They have me say all the time they have me they have me put my hands up when I'm talking with people and say, the kindness and the gentleness and the love and the care that you do for everyone in the world. Turn those hands on to yourself and do it for you, because you love you and you're worth loving your worthy. And that is you do it. How do you do how do you eat an elephant one bite at a time, little bit at a time. Huh. I said I never eat elephants. But if you was going to you wouldn't eat him in one big bite, you would eat one little bite at a time. That's if it was an ice cream elephant, I would eat it. Okay, we're we'll make him an ice cream elephant. Okay, my birthday is in June. Thank you for that. Thank you so much that was super beautiful, the putting it back and it's very true. I love the kindness and this love that we have. I think often people who go through trauma tend to be some of the most caring, amazing people. Oh, yes, such big hearts. I have noticed to the world, to the world, not often to themselves, but not often they, they, because of that programming that said to them, my value and my worth is in what I do. And, and God, I'm going to use the word God, which all the caught whatever you want to call it. The value is in what you be. Is it what you do. You can do anything they don't give a flying you know what about what people do. It's how do you be while you do it. I battled with I battled with my drinking because I'm a Baptist. I was a bat raised Baptist, and drinking is a sin and I drink every damn day. And I have battled the guilt of cocktail hour my whole frigging life, but it didn't make me stop but I did battle the guilt. I actually had my in one of my sessions with my Monday group, I said, ask about drinking. I want when I'm really altered and I'm not in Kelly had I want you to ask about the drinking. And they said, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if you are who you are. Who you choose to be I had someone talk to me about smoking pot. They feel guilty about smoking too much pot I said, are you who you are when you smoke bar. Are you your authentic self when you smoke. I'm my authentic self when I drink. I might be a little mouthier, but I don't, but I don't change. I wish I'm closer. I know right cocktails with Kelly, that ought to be something we do. But it doesn't change who I am. I love just as big I am just as kind. But now I do know people who are not I know people who when they drink alcohol, turn into someone they don't like anymore, and certainly someone I don't like anymore. And then for that person, don't drink it's not a good thing for you unless you want to be an ass, you want to be an ass drink simple vote as simple as that. Yeah, you know that's such a good point, not the ass part. Sorry about that. Something and just like, how are you being while you do it it's very interesting, especially in regards to food. And we live in a time where don't do this. Oh, do this it's actually wonderful don't this that and to the point where people like, really, who knows, but I do have a lot of vegan friends, and I, some of them have incredibly strong points of view, no alcohol, no coffee, no dairy. I'm obviously no meat and so just plant based and I think that's beautiful. It's actually when I've eaten vegan food many times in my life and when it's prepared well boy, is it freaking delicious. So I shift in and out of everything, but I've always thought it was very interesting because there is something something attached to that. Why these substances some of them are bad. And all turn your television on and you'll figure that out. Who's making money on what I mean I hate to sound jaded but an awful lot of, of the, the, this and then the that and then the this and then the that is is driven by media. It's marketing marketing, exactly. It's driven by marketing. My God, oh my, oh my God, we could go down a whole rabbit hole with that. Yeah, but I would say to that for anyone who is struggling. I would say why can this person eat at McDonald's every day of their life, smoke cigars and drink every day, and live to be 102. And this one diet exercise never take a whatever. But this one is joyful lives to be 102 this one's a bitch in misery. She dies at 70. Yeah, you know, I mean that's the that is the absolute truth I've seen that in my own life. Yeah, and you always see that when when the newspaper talks about so and so you know 100 celebrating our 103rd birthday and like, so what do you do when she says, you know, have a cigarette every day. He's like, damn, okay, you had a fun life. Exactly. Getting back to the, the shamans and the extra terrestrials and all of that. Are there actually time traveling shamans who in historically or today have access real connection communication with extra terrestrials. Time traveling shamans. I have no idea. Let's ask the answer to the question lies within the concept of dimensions and time. So the answer is yes. Absolutely. Are those who have learned to move between dimensions in a conscious way, and can bring back knowings and gifts. I think that is it. Okay. Are there alien races that are important for humanity to know about at this time, and what which alien races are going to play an important part in our connection with them in the cosmos right now. We would say to judge all interactions by how it feels. We have explained to this one that you would not want humans to be judged by the few who do what you would deem the inappropriate things. So when you say, as a whole. We say that in all races. No, not all in most realms of dimensions and races. There is the continuum of benevolence in the same way that there is with humans. When you ask, which are important, it brings up a very good thing to note. What is the message. What does it feel like. These are the same guidances that we would give you for all discernment. You have been given the ability to know innately if something is right for you in any given moment. If it feels like the right thing. Then that is the right thing for that moment. So you can judge all interactions and experiences. Judge them by how you feel. Can you tell me please. I would like to know a little bit about the lion people, meaning the lyrans. Do they still exist. Are there still lion people lyran people certain realms and dimensions and timelines. They do still exist. Again, it is that bugger shall we say of the understanding of time and multi dimensional beingness that is at the root of the answer to your question. Can you tell who they are, and if we're interacting. Like, is it possible for me to speak with a lyran or connect and be with a lyran, or many of them. If one were to ask. One was within the vibrational frequency of the that, then the answer would be that yes, you could to whatever degree was deemed that for the highest good. Am I in the frequency. Am I in the position where I could do that. We would say to you to ask and see what happens. That is only for you to discern because from this moment in time to the time that you would sit in your contemplative state. There is the opportunity for a mulling and a thinking about and an opening in such a way that perhaps that would be possible or it could even go the other direction. It is not really a quantitative thing, it would be of each one of you have the ability to channel, but yet not all do. It is a hard question to ask and answer because the, it depends on so many things, but is it possible. Yes, it is. Excellent. Okay, and can you, the guides the angels can they give us practical advice and living our best life. What would that be acknowledged. Your chakras system, your energetic being this do the work that it requires to be balanced and clean and healthy. We've given much of this kind of information through Kelly and she has it on her YouTube channel. And work on your relationship and the balance between Mother Earth and all the other things that your mind goes to. There needs to be a balance in that. In any given moment. Breathe into your heart chakra. Breathe deep within creating space and know that the vibration of the present moment is all you have any control over. And when you tend to it, you will have the life you desire. Thank you so much for being with us today I'm very grateful for the connection and all of what you imparted to us. It was really magnificent. You put me through the paces. What do you next year to dream. I dream about all kinds of stuff. I am open to whatever they have in store for me. They know my intention my greatest intention for this lifetime is to live out the rest of my life, happily married to Michael balker. And they know that. And so with that said, I want to shine my light as brightly for as many as I possibly can. And I'm open to whatever falls in my lap. And you've already seen, you're a perfect example that the things do they bring, they bring things into my experience. And I'm just along for the ride. That is a joyful ride though. Joy filled, joyful ride. And I know that people can find you at the website present moment magic dot as dot me so present moment magic dot as dot me. Any other place where they can find you or should reach out. That that is not well it is a website but it isn't like what people would think of as a website. That is the link to if you want to schedule a meeting with me. A session, I, I don't actually have a website, I have a Facebook page, Kelly balker channel. I have my Facebook Kelly new balker you said at the beginning. My email is Kelly balker seven gmail.com. If there is a time on my scheduling app that's not available and you can't make it work with what's available reach out to me and I'll try to be flexible. Yeah, email me private message me. You can even phone you can even phone me. I had a lovely woman call and I answered I was outside on my deck I answered hello. I thought she's going to have a hot attack. You answer your own phone and I'm like, I'm just a country girl from leaving because I answer my own phone. So that was pretty cool that was pretty fun. Anything here at the end you want to say to the listeners and to the watchers. Count yourself out, because you're getting to any particular age. I could not have dreamed this reality for myself. We cannot dream a reality that is as magnificent and wonderful as what the universe will dream for us. We open and know that age does not matter, because I'm the post a child 61 years old and this is all just barely happening for me. And it's awesome. So, it's a glorious life and you are loved so much completely just as you are right now. Kelly thank you so much for coming on the show today. This has been exquisite. An absolute pleasure Debbie thank you so much for having me. Yeah, anytime. Okay, okay. That could be a thing that could be a show with this quote. Through channeled readings we unlock the whispers of the universe. In mediumship, we bridge worlds and hearts. With spiritual mentoring, we guide souls toward their own luminous path. And in the dance of light language blessings, we speak the language of the cosmos, weaving threads of healing and understanding. Subscribe to this number one transformation conversation the weekly dare to dream podcast with Debbie dashing or leave a comment and share I love reading your feedback. Next week, I have a pro golfer on the show who's a magician and a metaphysician. Bob young will be here he is the brother of musician Neil young. 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