 This time I've been told there's actually something interesting to talk about in the latest Linux video Which is titled trying to do simple tasks on Linux and it does really seem interesting. So let's give it a go Anything is easy. If you know exactly what you're doing again, I have never watched it This is the first time but by the same token Anything can be difficult or even impossible if you lack the requisite skills Resources or knowledge or if you're not used to it. So let's see what the tasks are While the main idea behind the Linux daily driver challenge is to evaluate the Linux experience from a gamer's perspective Even the most Want to do other things on their PC like print I never game So I don't know anything about that a document or watch a video and those things need to not only be possible So with that in mind, we've set a time limit for each of our tasks of 15 minutes Oh, I love this like this kind of challenges to do very normal normal things. I love them. It's very cool In preparation for this part of the challenge I practiced using play on Linux by installing notepad plus plus and I hope that if I really need some other Windows application That's gonna come in handy. What? Before me if it doesn't I also have a working Windows 10 virtual machine that I set up using KVM Which we trained on what in a browser and often for blah blah in preparation for this part of the challenge I practiced using play play on Linux by installing notepad plus plus And I hope that if I really need some other location I actually never had heard of that if it doesn't I also here are the challenges You must surmount in whatever order you please cut and paste a file from one drive. Oh Man, I was expecting them to come up with some stuff. That's really challenging. So just like in Windows control X and I will paste it to my Kingston. That's it. It is done 3.9 gigs Wait, how the hell is this one minute and 50 seconds already? What happened? What did you cut here? playing it back Yes, I do appreciate the irony of Trying to play success.mkd and having it just be a black screen Okay, so I guess what happened is that the file didn't actually transfer Already, is that what happens? Also admire how Luke did this in 15 seconds Then Linus is already at two minutes. Nice. Oh, no And I'm following Linus because he's using KD Plasma. So, okay stuff went complete. I mean, I really didn't consider that this might Take me longer than like a couple of seconds. Me neither Just like it doesn't take longer than a couple of seconds to go to lttstore.com Check out. This is really annoying. macOS does this too. There's no refresh button in Dolphin Is there none? This is really none. Let me check. Let's go check If there is a refresh button of any sort So now, of course, you can just press F5 that that kind of like goes behind the point You need to have a button that a user would actually know about I've seen comments saying oh, but it's like browsers You should know but if I know it's it's a file manager you wouldn't expect out of the box F5 to be the shortcut to refresh and It's a very nice feature, but you can't just say you should have done that you shouldn't so is there For 13 more actions, what is it view refresh? Well, okay, that was okay That was not easy to find. I'll admit that However, that wasn't like too hard either I gotta say because it was okay. It was very hidden That's very that's where it wasn't underneath view or he had to show the menu bar Otherwise, they wouldn't be like a context menu Okay, fair enough. I mean it's three context menus inside of it, but Okay, I'll take the criticism. I understand Linus here What's next? I know what the philosophy is the philosophy is you're not supposed to need to refresh No, I mean Yeah, I guess but You can refresh if you want and you can even add the button. Let me show you again. I don't expect Linus to know this but It's not too hard either. Look at you. It's done. That's it It took less It took me less to add the refresh button than Linus to actually move that file Sometimes I do Sorry So you need to have the button Sorry. Yeah, look at here. It's done That was easy You cannot do it. It's just I'm still angry about this from like seven or eight years ago or when the file is here Okay, it works. For some reason VLC launches now. Did it just take that long to cancel the move operation? It did I am grabbing a smaller file Trying to install team viewer dot txt. I'm cutting Sorry, what is this? Oh, there's a list of tasks there Cut paste file. Okay. Digitally signed PDF. Okay. This is going to take longer than 15 minutes like for sure for sure tasting it Success only nine minutes Challenge to digitally sign this okay, so it's 15 minutes per task I have not specifically installed any kind of PDF reader So this is the default Yeah, ocular Oh Oh, this is looking promising. Oh draw a rectangle to indicate the Is let me try ocular How do I actually sign a PDF? Um, why do I always mess up with my apps? Let's take bala And then Oh, it's Digitally sign Sorry Oh, that's very nice Okay, that was a notation. But if I click on digitally sign nothing happens. It is like Draw a rectangle to insert a signature field. Okay like this There are no available Certificates Okay, so if I click here what pops up The help center, what is this from 2019 something Well, at least there's a guide to do it. So it can't be that Difficult and I hope that linux didn't have many issues with it The signature field, okay Do Signers this size is too small to read No, I'm just gonna sign it. There are no available signings. Okay. Same as me Man, I thought I was going to be done this in like one minute And she got the guide I guess I'm assuming I'm not going to be able to sign it because I'm assuming this is just a A reader Uh, is there something on here? I know what I use on Windows for this is Okay, you can get free trusted certificates from the let's encrypt Seriously where we can use the nk cert. Okay. I've never digitally signed a document But you shouldn't like that's very user unintuitive tool Come on Yes, I know Andy It's clear that this is a thing that you can do and it's something that I could figure out if I had another Half an F. Yeah, I agree with them here unless it screwed up something that I don't know about Digitally signings should be easier and honestly Opening up the let's see what it actually says here You can add digital signature blah, blah, blah You need to have proper pay pkcs Signing certificates The system why what is this like come on a random user won't be able to understand the current user home slash Dot picky eye dot n s s db like come on This won't help us. I agree with I think that delp center in general. He's not very helpful to the average user Not sorry about the help center. Is this even like updated recently? Or something I don't think so honestly. I've never seen any merge request related to the help center, but I could have missed them our an outground is not The color of the cells the black background is just an image Oh Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. Okay. You just have to find exactly the right spot export as image Hey, what is he using? You just have to find exactly Yes, okay, I needed a w here and I well at least he did this one It's okay. So this is adding a new font and hopefully this should be easy. Okay, but I'm just gonna copy it to my Yes, now you click on it What just happened did that just copy to the fold? Why would it do that? I drag this onto a folder But because arc Is some completely separate application that doesn't integrate properly with dolphin It just goes it just dumps it into the folder instead of specifically on the folder. I'm dragging it to Yeah, that sounds like an issue Yeah So I have to open this folder Then copy it. Okay. I can open night zone That works at least. Sorry. What is this k font view? Oh install install. Do you want to install the font? Personal or system? System wide. Come on. Yes Did you do it? I'm gonna change my user interface to it It worked. All right. I mean I've seen that in part two He already had a weird font. So I was pretty sure he was going to do this Unless somebody else set up the font for him in the previous video. So, yeah Print that document. Okay. Hold on. Oh, is that printer? What is this? What I even have an hp printer to samsung That's gonna be whoo. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Are you kidding me? Does it work? There it is Samsung clp 310 series. Okay Add new printer in this print. It's actually from kitty plasma or I mean kitty as a whole Or is this like a mentor edition addition? Do we have actually the printer? I'm sorry printer And At printer. Oh, it's not so bad. Okay, and then manual URI. Okay Well, it's not so bad This printer is actually a pain in the ass to get working on windows because I think the last time it got a driver was either Vista or windows 7. That's linux windows model. I actually have it saved to a folder on my server because There's no other place that I can find it or I can but it's a real chore. You have to like Extract it from some other thing like it's um, this just Worked as far as I can tell but until I actually see the page. I'm not ready It's right to it for the actual page before let's go Andy the lights flashing. It's flashing come on clp Did it work? Yeah That's very nice to hear Usually setting up printers is such a mess for me. So That's very nice to hear. I'm happy compress and send All the files on right click compress. Okay, compress Compress compress here That's it. Why is it dot zip dot u q j q q? That brings up wait, seriously Nothing, why would it put that there? Goodbye. Oh, that's not That's not a good idea is it that's uh Very bad Is there any very large file inside of it chart dot png it looks like there's none But yeah, maybe a video is very large, but I don't think so Is that that's probably uh, like uh temporary file is it to open archive not as if archive It's a you. Oh come on. It was supposed to be super simple this one Nope, it just is broken. Perfect. We're going to compress to a zip. Holy crap. Andy. You know what? I think I just fell for the same thing that I said I wouldn't fall for again Compress here as dot zip It was doing it down here. Oh, come on Okay I mean luckily people don't usually have screens that large And as far as usability goes I now understand all of the messages that were sent like in the past few days in the visual design kdh chat But like I thought I mean come on. How can you not see a notification on the bottom right now? I understand But that's such a weird monitor. So I'm going to blame You're holding it wrong Linus. You're holding it wrong Now, how could you how could we improve that? Now there are there were a couple of ds from the vdgh chat. I didn't quite follow the discussion But uh, like one of the latest that I've seen is to actually display If that's possible like progress bar on the file itself, which would be which would be of course the best But actually hard part is implementing it Um, I don't think you can that easily know which is the temporary file to display the loading into it But if it if that's possible Yeah, that's something that could be improved. Uh, but to my personal opinion, it's not like super important because again Like for real Usually people don't have that big of a screen and you can see the notification Another thing was trying to make notification a bit more visible flashing, I don't know Probably he wouldn't have seen that either so yeah notice so I guess the The six characters or whatever here Is just ran, but I mean it was like a hint to the fact that size was increasing I could have guessed I like it. Let's do that. I guess. Do you see you comic? There we go. Are these files going to compress at some point? Oh, that's why That's why he had comic sense in the previous video. See Dolphin you're embarrassing yourself. Okay. Let's try and do it in I forget what this one is called. It doesn't matter archive now to lose that now to lose Might be At least it prompts me for what I want to call it. I don't see any kind of progress Where is dolphin dolphin? We don't what's the name if we don't prompt for anything? Where is it? Take me a couple of files like these two If we compress a zip, what's the resulting file name? The name of the folder. I mean, okay. What happened? Is it really the name of the folder? I mean I'm not very pretty. Yeah, you gotta agree with him here Are you kidding me? Am I gonna fail to zip a file? This is not uploading I was kind of hoping that I was going to be able to do every single task in under this one is clearly stalled Hold on. Maybe pzips got me still Hold on. So this is this is all the stuff I copy Then I can go into downloads Is it folder 15 minutes? Yes. This is the workaround. Oh my god 10 minutes remaining to copy these files This is another thing that I definitely can do it just I mean Come on Come on That's a bit unfair Is this actually significantly faster to zip files in windows? Because that was like the only issue I've seen and If it's slow on linux If it's slow on windows as well, I mean Okay, the usability of the pop-up seeing that the progress is in progress. Okay, but Even if you do see the pop-up and it's too slow to actually finish in 15 minutes You can't blame linux. I guess he said that the task was stalled which could be but again Very large files, I guess Wait, wait No, I'm good I'm good. The the first one I did in dolphin. It's done. I think Nice. Wait No, I didn't get the point I'm supposed to send them. Yeah, maybe I can weasel my way out of this a little What do you mean by compress and send? Well, I mean, there's a 3 gigabyte file in it. So emailing it's not really practical See that's your issue I mean, of course it's going to take a while Is it actually faster on windows? Emailing it's not really practical Oh, well I mean, I already zipped the whole thing including the video because like, okay I'm giving myself the points. I could I could have emailed this to someone. I have to come on All right. Okay. Well, I can I can really cool if I search for a snipping tool It actually is like, haha. We don't have that But we do have spectacle Wait, wait, wait screenshot Spectacle screenshot capture capture utility Why would you call it a snip? I mean if you I mean, why wouldn't you search for screenshot like What did he search for again? This is really cool. If I search for snipping tool Why would you search for a snipping tool? Come on At least stop a snip when actually expect Spectacle pops up. I guess I guess you wouldn't see it But I mean screenshot and you do get spectacle It actually is like, haha. We don't have that But we do have spectacle, which is a pretty cool little screenshotting tool It's very nice. I love spectacle and then you can Drag a little thing press enter and that's it. I did it One minute Now I have to make a shortcut. Oh, man. I got just Just drag it anywhere you want that and make a shortcut. So no, I will Find another way to do that link to file or directory Wait, he's trying to do a shortcut on the desktop. Can I try to do that one sec? Why do I have 15 applications or open go away? Okay, so if I drag this here Are you kidding me? You just literally have to draw take it And drag it to the desktop. Hey, hello take it and drag it to the desktop And then click on link and that's it How did he not see that? Okay. He did create sim link. No, okay. He did right click And then create new link to file Okay, name for the link is pretty Pretty easy to say and then you can click on this button And actually select the I mean it can't fit this it can't It's too easy to do this Yes, this is a much better way of doing this. Ha ha I mean you could just drag and drop it name for new link Okay, can I copy the location? Yes, I can Ha ha did you work? Okay done I had I had an earth attack to that Copy paste the what? How did he even got the path to the file from? What is it copy copy location control alt c. Okay. Okay. That's fine. It works Uh connect to a network sure again dolphin We do have network Um, and then there's these things serverino Does it actually work for me? I don't think so Might be the old one, but I mean share folder pretty easy Is actually crazy easy because while I am using samba on my linux. Thank you. Uh nas It's a linux nas. So Yeah, so network shared folders smd Pappa pa pappa pa ladder server Oh, does it want me to like map a network share? I mean, that's not really necessary I can just add a shortcut to this Right here. See dude. I'm going to call that good enough So now every time I open up dolphin I just click linux and it will go to my share Like that. Okay Is it a SAMBA file because for those there were actually many improvements in the last year I think I've seen many patches from Nate and it's very nice that it actually worked out of the box. There's at least one thing we can safely cross out as everything went super well. Also I think links went super well here but your mileage might vary. Everything in files failed, copying failed, yeah, thanks a lot Dolphin, you suck! That was not fair, come on. Is this... No, I mean there's not really any reason to say that Dolphin did not perform badly in any way except for actually not making notifications more visible but that's not Dolphin, that's Plasma so Dolphin did everything good, ok there's not a refresh button in the plain side but honestly the refresh button news case is such a niche one that it's fine to leave it to a more slightly hidden context menu or customization so I don't think this is fair to say. Dolphin doesn't suck, I think it's a good find manager, I'm biased. Not that I ever worked on anything about Dolphin and ever touched Dolphin's code to be clear but I did, I do use it every day for years and I do work on Plasma so yeah. Set up Discord app. Discord and start open on start... That's in settings isn't it? Let's check and you can simply search for start and start up. You do get out of start and you can add, add application and then now what was it, Discord. I don't have Discord but oh I do, sorry and you just click it and that's it, come on you can do this. I believe in you. I think it might just do that by default. The first thing I'm gonna do then is just test that. I'm feeling good Andy, I got this. Okay it was even simpler than that, it was just on by default but if it wasn't or if it was on a third-party application it would have been super easy to actually add it to the start up application so very good. Okay apparently I had already configured this so another point for Linus, watch 4k content. Okay. Video.mp4, where'd it go, hello, wait it goes black and full screen? What up is that? Well we'll see. Why? Okay. I grabbed mpv media player, the official repository community version because that seemed like one. Do I have any 4k? And then I was able to immediately open a video in mpv player and boom full screen, solved. Okay. I could say I think mpv is one of the best video players out there and I also use it as you can see here and it just works, okay it doesn't have everything that we all see as but it just works. Challenge number 12, watch HDR content. As far as I can tell this is basically just James rubbing in that I have not been able to consume any HDR content this month, everyone's gonna fail. So I feel pretty good, other than digitally signing my... I feel pretty good too, I would feel even better if you didn't say that often sucks but okay. PDF, I managed to complete all of my possible challenges but that doesn't mean that the road to get here was as painless as what you just saw. I've had a very frustrating issue where any amount of Windows movement especially... Meanwhile on Mandaro KDE I've had a relatively smooth experience, I do have little complaints like that the show desktop button doesn't actually minimize anything. Okay, we keep hearing this. I think that there's some even developers that want this but okay, you can easily, very easily change to that one. Personally I prefer the show desktop but I can understand that it's very, very subjective and I don't know if it will ever change by default so easily but we do get that complaint a lot, that's true. And as soon as you grab a focus application everything comes ripping back onto the screen or that the application... I mean that's the intended use case from what I can understand is quickly grabbing something from the desktop be it a file or a widget if you need to interact one second from a widget in the desktop or take a file down and drag and drop it somewhere I guess that's what it's supposed to do but if you prefer minimize all I guess. Patient labels are underneath the window previews when you cycle through with alt tap we do want to change the task manager to be this one. I mean okay we is a very generic word there is some interest from developers from some developers to change it to this and from what I've seen I think that this will eventually succeed maybe it did already and I didn't see I didn't follow this very much I actually don't remember changing it to thumbnail so okay but yeah this complaint will hopefully fall as soon as we go for a thumbnail as we sure if we do and I think at this point we will that's what I had seen from the latest like discussions I might be wrong making them harder to read but overall if all I needed to do was run a web browser do some basic word processing I wouldn't have anything to complain about installing and managing applications on the other hand has made me wish that my popo... yeah I mean that's popo s I won't say anything experience hadn't been so discouraging Manjaro has a graphical package manager called Panac if you had been using I don't know this cover you'd be happier but okay I don't know I don't I don't know how good Pamac is but I love this cover I think it has so many nice features and there's a lot of hate for this cover but I think that lately it has improved a lot that allows applications to be installed in a couple of clicks but by default it contains only some of the things I need it can be unlocked to search for flat pack snap and a ur packages no by default it contains only some of the things I need it can be on... okay okay I understand no I don't I don't fully agree here because I still think that proposing to a user four different places to install apps from is so confusing like you can say okay I want to install this okay we're from like the official arch little repositories or from the hour or from snap or from flatpack and the user is going to go like what and I I don't think that having all of them enabled by default is a good idea it should be easy to enable them but look at here how to enable blah blah blah for beginners through pamac guai so it should be like pressing some button I guess package system blah blah blah to allow developers okay there's not actions are out of the screen but it shouldn't be too hard to do this and I don't think that it should be on by default honestly for flat pack maybe you could say that I don't want to say snap and flatbacks are bad at all but you could you could say like we should use flat packs by default and show users flat packs just but if you do have the arch Linux Linux repository by default then you shouldn't in my opinion also have snap and flat packs snap and a ur packages which dramatically yeah it was just like a button increases its usefulness but if this manjaro developers to be believed these non-official sources can result in downtime and if they do everything is working as intended and you're installing third party and trust that's why it's disabled by default you know fortunately I haven't really encountered that yet yeah I have never seen anything bad under however either but you never know I had only been at it for a few weeks but yours it's this kind of hit or miss functionality that is turned using my computer from something that I do for fun into something that feels more like work okay here's one miraculously the browser source plugin that I needed for OBS was available in PAMAC through the arch user repository but the thing is I ended up only stumbling upon that by finding a post referring to it as I was fighting my way through attempting to manually copy the plugin files into the appropriate system folders which in fairness to me was based on a guide I found and actually got me really close I was able to launch OBS but as soon as I tried to actually use that source it would crash now I understand that this is totally a power user thing to do but it's also absolutely something that a gamer particularly a game streamer yeah again we're getting to gamer stuff which I don't know anything about so is there anything else please some of my dumbest problems have been caused by my default file manager dolphin among other things it does not allow the user to copy anything into a folder that requires administrative privileges that's for security reasons and I think it's actively been worked upon with no obvious way to override it in the GUI yeah and I've run into this twice so far adding insult to injury the community responses to this user who shared my concern that not everyone wants to copy files using the terminal and that linux should allow the user to do what they want to do with their computer were some of the most painfully condescending and stubborn things that I've had the displeasure of reading throughout this challenge now I lost my link to the tweet unfortunately but I saw an interesting criticism of this series that basically accused me and luke of intentionally smearing linux and its developers because we were going to come into this with a basic windows gamer perspective and try to do things now I don't think they're doing that I've seen also this from even like inside the kd community people saying that they're doing on purpose to like mess things up and trying to do drama I don't think they're doing that personally uh I don't think it's the way that they do things well news flash guys that's most people is right I mean that's not a reason for which we should copy windows and every time the reason in vdg to do something is because windows does that we showed that down that's not a valid argument however the idea of someone coming from windows to kd plasma that should be able to understand how things work is not that far off because it is right like most people pretty much 90 of everyone coming to linux from the first time are going to be from windows of like 80 and it should be understandable and I don't think that the criticism of like bashing linux because it doesn't work like windows is fair but that's not what they're doing they're coming in and trying to do things and whenever it doesn't work it's not quite because of they're doing in the windows way but it's because linux doesn't work when popo s died it was popo s fault when whatever problem they had like the digital signature that was linux fault and more specifically I don't know what to blame exactly but the fact that arc couldn't track things into the right directory that's linux fault it's not like oh it's because he used to use windows and he doesn't understand of linux works that doesn't work to him and if you legitimately like in your heart of hearts want linux desktop to grow you need to accommodate those people he's right which doesn't mean that we should copy windows but we should make sure that the experience of people coming from windows to linux isn't shit so you can sit there and go am I out of touch no it's the users who are wrong but you are you're literally a meme at that point the only question is whether you're self-aware or not well that depends I think that the good eggs in the linux community need to understand though is that you guys are great and there's lots of you it's just that it only takes a couple of toxic gatekeepers to turn people off and that's also why I really don't like at all people gatekeeping like not even gatekeeping but fanboying kd plasma like shitting on gnome I should this were less this is video is going to get the monetized other way yeah I understand you like kd plasma I also do but that is not a good reason to go to gnome user sensing that gnome is bad gnome is not bad it's pretty darn good as a desktop environment and even if I don't use it because it doesn't fit my use case it doesn't mean that we should go out and sell them now if some user comes and say okay linux I'm trying out linux for the first time and these things didn't work for me the right approach here and hopefully I didn't fall for that in this video is not to say okay you user are stupid and you're doing things wrong because you come from windows but is to actually do some investigating like what's wrong in the approach you're taking to do to achieve something and maybe the result of that is that it is an issue but we can't quite solve it because to solve it that would mean to like to actually make the experience more enjoyable for windows user that would mean that it would diminish the experience for linux ones and maybe we don't accept that and that's fine but that doesn't mean that we should bash windows people that come to linux because of that we need to be friendly regardless even if they come and criticize linux that's the point that they're telling us what's wrong and sometimes if you use linux for years it's not that easy to understand it some things seem obvious to us and aren't and maybe those can get fixed like you gotta remember it's not always easy for people to reach out and ask for help and if a literal developer of their distro goes out of their way to type extra unnecessary words to be condescending when they could have just pointed the user to the resources that they needed it is extremely damaging to the good work that the majority is trying to do and there has been so much of that good work on display throughout this project I mean getting my windows vm which I've only ended up needing to ingest and that was it that was actually kind of interesting there were some good points I think I don't know how much like there was a lot of discussion in kde related chats on if there's anything to improve there was lots of linux is stupid don't listen to him and lots of linux sucks and we've been doing everything wrong I'm just kidding but there's been a lot of discussion about this hopefully it brings something nice and I don't think that linux did that bad in this video at all it's said that some basic use cases that could have just worked didn't but there's always room to improve again I think that digital signature is the best example of that I would have very like that yeah so about that anyway it's 40 minutes already so I think I can end this there the year and thank you for everything I hope that something nice came out of this anyway from tomorrow and on I'll get back to normal schedule of doing development and other things so see you there I guess stay subscribe that's sort of things