 used some of that funding for to pay the debt on the 2.5 million that we borrowed from Pacific Cove because we were relocating. So that's the resources we have. The key housing projects that we have in the queue right now are obviously the housing element. We also have that Rezones associated with the housing element with the goal to try to get those done this year. We've been using some of these funds to support our regional contribution to the Housing for Health partnership. Those are sheltering options that we do in partnership with the other cities in the county. And then really the key here is to seek partnerships with a nonprofit to develop. I have a number of preliminary irons in the fire, nothing that's ready for public discussion yet at this stage. But those would be the big ticket items that really, I think, would utilize some of these funds. Lastly, the ECYP funding. It's the early youth childhood program funding. Council will recall this is a small carve off of our hotel tax that we get. And it's restricted to supporting early childhood and youth programs in the city. Most of the funding is subscribed and is used to grants to nonprofits. But there is some funding available in this year's budget. We think about $37,000. Last year, we put $39,000 of ECYP funding into a multi-year scholarship fund for recreation. We also kicked off the Swimless and Equity program that was designed to help folks become junior guard ready, who might not traditionally be able to be junior guard ready when it comes time for the junior guard season. And then also $2,000 for job skill programs for some of our younger instructors who work with the kids. So, I think we're gonna have robust conversation and questions about recommendations tonight are to confirm the high level budget goals that Jim went over. Confirm that the projects that we didn't do last year that we wanna carry over into next year. And then identify the new goals and key projects for our next fiscal year. With that, I'm available for questions. Thank you. Council questions? I can start. If we can move back a couple of slides to where in parentheses it says resiliency fund and it has the breakdown of, I think maybe one more, two, three, four back. There. So, moving forward with the 4.8, are we generally saying that we're no longer going to, with the new expenditures, we're no longer gonna be having a resiliency fund of 385 because we're kind of just, is that what the recommendation that you're presenting today is? Okay. At this point, what we're recommending is targeting a fund balance of 500K. You know, honestly, we can characterize it as a resiliency fund of 385 and then a 115 thousand dollar fund balance. Yeah, that's all. No, I don't think that's necessary. And then one or two slides back about the project. So we have the projects from last year. And so my question is, do we feel confident with the carryover of some of these projects? So you've identified funding for the community center and some of these other things, but not any additional funding for these. And so my question too is, out of our 2022, 23 goals, should we be thinking about funding any of these projects to completion before creating new projects? That's a great question. And obviously the biggest one on the list is the community center because that does have a major allocation that's here. I think we're good. I mean, I think that city hall option study is gonna lead to more work. So that will need more money down the road. And that's part of the logic behind holding back that million bucks. I think we're good on these projects with the budget allocation that we have. So the ones in red in your color coded graph, we don't need to worry about, but we can expect them to be completed. Yeah, we can expect, you can expect to see hearings on those items, seeing them completed this next fiscal year. Okay, so I'll just restate that. We're confident with the 2022, 23 goals that we'll see those through and then anything added today would be in addition to that. I just want, I'm playing it safe in terms of funding and any other future projects. I think that's a fair characterization. I do think that, you know, in my experience having done this, when we get to a year from now, we're doing this again, I would love to say that everything on this page, everything on this page, everything on this page, and everything here is done. It won't play out that way. Yeah, that's the goal. And there will be some that, you know, just for whatever reason are able to be done. And some of them are multi-year, but yes, that is. Okay, and then to the allocation for streets. So we have received in the past a breakdown of the costs associated with repaying of our streets and so forth. There, I put you on the spot to see if you have that information available to us so that we know what we're, what you're suggesting lines up to what actually the needs are. Yes, I'm, there you go. So Council Member Brooks is referring to our pavement management plan. And this is from a presentation that was made to the council. I think it was maybe last spring. And it went through kind of a multi-year plan for what streets would be targeted and what time the yellow line is light rehabilitation and the orange line, which is a little harder to tell is heavy rehabilitation. So the plan projects for fiscal year, this next fiscal year we're going into was Capitola Road, basically from city limits to 41st Avenue. The plan for fiscal 24 next year is some major work on Reposa and lower 41st, as well as then the green streets that you can see with lightmates. So the funding that I'd recommend really do probably heavy work here or it could do all the green work. And you don't need to make that decision at this time. We will have a more robust discussion during the budget cycle, but to give you a sort of a flavor of it, it would let us move forward from 2024 sort of half of this project. Okay, can you move to the slide where you are showing how you're going to utilize the 4.8 so that I can just make sure that makes sense? Because I thought it was pretty specific. Okay, pavement management at 350,000. And so that's what we said for phase two was 350,000 when it was presented to us for the next phase. I just... What's going to be plus the 550? 5, 6, 7, 8, so $900,000. Okay. When this project was planned, it was planned around $550,000, so we would give it back to it. Okay, perfect. That makes sense. Those are all my questions. Thank you. Thank you. I had a question about the Wharf Grant. I've had folks come up to me and ask me about money that was allotted in the years past and then they seem to say things were missing and money was spent elsewhere. I wonder if we could just outline that one more time. We went a little fast on it. Yeah, so really quickly, Measure F funding has all gone towards council directed Measure F projects. So we use the funding to renovate the jetty. We use the funding to renovate the flume, which is the concrete structure on the beach that conveys SoCal Creek under the beach in the summer. We use the funding, I believe, to help buy ourselves the loader. That's the loader we used to grade the beach. And we use a little bit of funding to help with some of the work that we did around Depot Hill, I believe, on the pathways. Yes, we also put it towards law enforcement and police during COVID the first year. Oh, we put it in small port, yes, that's right. We put in some portion of Measure F towards maintaining our police department during the first year of COVID. All other funding for Measure F has gone into the war. So at this point between that funding, the state's contribution, we got 1.9 million from the state of California for the war. If I think we used the first 500K of that, we replaced the piles at the end of the war, if you'll remember. By the way, really glad Steve did that, because I think the end of the war if we look as bad as the middle of the war, if we look as bad. All of that funding in Measure F and then the 3.5 million that's coming from the federal government, that's all in the pot at this point. So at this point, we have about 275 extra, and so that's available for on a project. That's a lot of numbers, I know, I'm sorry. Yeah, I guess we'll sit on the board. And we can add police. Well, would you mind just giving a brief, like what Measure F was intended for? You know, prepare for it. Interesting. You were prepared, thank you. We came out, all the problems that might come up. This is the actual measure for Measure F that the voters voted on. So you can read the language there up on the screen. It talks about protecting essential city services facilities, police and emergency safety programs, protecting the wharf and beach and the storms and rising sea levels, parks, sidewalks and bike lanes. So that's the actual Measure F language. Without the question mark, because we're doing that. Oh, that's true. That would be the actual cut and paste from that. I think one thing that we can do, we've done this in the past is we've provided a pretty good Measure F, the comprehensive Measure F accounting when we do the budget. So it sounds like it's probably worth doing that again as we present the budget. That's what I was just gonna say. I typically do one to the fact during when we kick off budget and then I'll bring one to the full council. And just to add that, it might be nice to add in what an actual measure means and how those create restricted dollars versus general fund dollars. I think the difference is very important for the community to know. Yeah, that is very important. Just to make sure that everyone listening today understands the ECYB funding was restricted. It was passed by 66% of the voters and it has to be used for youth and early childhood education. Measure F is a general tax. It can be used for general city purposes. There's obviously an intent that baked into this and that's what we're trying to live up with. So the intent of what Measure F was intended to be for but at the end of the day, it is general fund. Great. I have a question or two, go for it, yeah. Forgive me if you mentioned this, I was kind of trying to look through agenda and do some research while you were speaking to it at the same time. When you talk about the 200,000 to replace city vehicles with electric vehicles, does that include the charging infrastructure or do we already have charging infrastructure? That's a great question. So you remember that one of the projects that we highlighted last year and you put $20,000 into was charging stations. So right now our goal is to use that 20,000 coupled with incentives that 3CE is offering to help build out some city fleet charging and then also partnering on the public private partnership. This is kind of, that's more of a gleam in my eye of whether we're able to get there but for more public charging stations. So we think at this point that we would have resources, we'd have resources to get charging stations to charge city fleet as we start to buy EVs. Right, because- Down the road, we may need more but I think as a starting point, we're in good shape. Okay, yeah, because the 20,000 we put aside last time was for public charging stations and this would need to be like at the Corp, we are great for our- That was my understanding but I think- Oh, interesting. I had, my recollection was that those at 20,000 I thought they were going to be in like the Pacco parking lots. That, like- Yeah, that's what I thought. For the public. That was my understanding last year. So we have some, right? In our parking lot. So I thought we identified actual spots in the village. Yeah, I thought there were going to be public spaces somewhere. I don't know if I knew that thought they'd be here in the village but public rather than city vehicles. Yeah, public used vehicles. Well, so in that case, we may need to talk a little bit further about it. My thinking had been one of the lessons we've learned from the two charging stations we have in the city lot is that the city is not, we're not very expert in managing public charging stations. We haven't done a very great job of policing it, ensuring that people are actually paying for the electrons that they're using. And so the hope that we've had, we've actually had preliminary conversations with a couple of other cities that have tried this is the city has, I think we have something like 1,500 parking spaces within a mile of where we're sitting right now. And if we can bring that to the table, we can find a private sector partner that then says, okay, we'll provide the land. You guys provide the charging infrastructure. We have an agreement with them. So the hope would be that we could do that at no cost. And then the thinking was that the 20,000, this was my own mental vision, would help us get fleet charging coupled with the funding from three CE because I think that they'll contribute a fair amount for fleet charging as well. So that's been my tentative plan, but we can obviously adjust if we need to. Okay. Okay. My other question. So I was actually, it's funny, when you mentioned the Hill and Bay Avenue intersection, I started thinking, what about the roundabout? And then I started looking up where the roundabout was and like the transportation plan with RTC and then I heard you say something about the roundabout. So is that what that $1 million feature infrastructure project, is that what you were saying? It would go to something like that? I think something like that is a fair characterization. You know, I'm not asking you to vote and decide like is it a million dollars for the roundabout or is it a million dollars for the playground or is it a million dollars for city hall? But there are, or the community center, right? Those are a number of big ticket items that are still sort of developing as projects. So that's my suggestion. It's holding it aside for one of those things. Okay. And then my last question, the affordable housing resources, I think especially now as we're moving into our housing element and there's lots of questions, can you just give kind of a brief overview of how we can use this money? What it's actually used for? Are we financing affordable housing? Are we giving it to developers? Like how can we actually use this money? That's a really great question. That's probably more technical than I can actually answer. I will give you a high level and then we'll see if our community development director if you want to go into a deeper dive. So as I mentioned, each one of these funding streams is different and that's just because they come from different places and they have different requirements about how you can and can't use them. Our housing trust starting from the bottom is the most flexible. That's our funding that we collect from inclusionary funding. And it's really, we can use it to improve or help low income individuals improve low income housing or help low income individuals with housing. Then going back up to the top because I'm very familiar with redevelopment housing funds. Those include really specific restrictions and usually what you do is you use those funds to partner with nonprofit developers and you have to deed restrict rental housing. I believe it's for 55 years. Specific requirements. The home reuse has some really weird requirements that Katie's told me about and I don't remember all the details and the PLHA funding is new. So I'm gonna turn it over to Katie and see if you can help me with those. Okay, so the home reuse, we can look at existing housing projects out there that need upgrades and assistance. So that's one thing we can use for home reuse. We can also, I believe, partner with the Santa Cruz Housing Authority and assisting with some like rental assistance or vouchers with home reuse. But I can come back with or send out a summary to you of exactly what home reuse is because it's very technical but I think one thing we've looked at in the past is there are some projects around town that are outdated and could use some updating and home reuse would be a great use of those funds. Another thing with home reuse is down payment assistance but it is a needle in the haystack exercise of trying to find somebody that's low income that the home price is correct that they can afford and but we could utilize it for down payment assistance. The PLHA, there's five categories that PLHA funding can be utilized for. One is for the regional efforts towards homelessness and it's more of an immediate assistance. So we've talked about for the HAP using or it's now no longer the HAP but the regional housing efforts we can utilize money towards that. Two other categories are towards ownership projects for affordable housing and then rental projects for affordable housing. So for our purposes and where we've dedicated money within our application for PLHA and we just got the preliminary notice that our application has been approved but we don't have a contract in place yet for that for 181,000 but we decided to put our money towards ownership units. We can always modify our application if there's a great rental project that comes through but typically the city in the past has done ownership projects and then there's two other buckets and I wanna say one is for infrastructure and I'm not sure what the other is for but I can bring back actually when we bring back the PLHA to adopt the receiving of the award I can have a full summary on that for you. So if there's any other questions I'm happy to answer them. Thank you. Not to go off the rails here a little bit but is that the funding when you say towards affordable rental or excuse me affordable ownership? Is that the kind of funding that we helped with like the Bay Avenue senior? So the Bay Avenue senior project utilized two sources of funding if I remember correctly. We put in I think it was around a million dollars of RDA funds and then we put a chunk of home funding I think into it. So Bay Avenue senior project was developed by a third party non-profit and they came in and bought it from the Salvation Army, came through, they got together an entire funding package that included some city money as well as tax credits and then ultimately built out the project. So I think in terms of thinking about these funds there's a lot of different kinds of programs we can do but I think maybe conceptualizing we generally can make big allocations to partner with non-profit to help build or renovate as the Bay Avenue project. And then the other kind of thing we can do is more of the program type funding. And it's like things like CAB, helping CAB out with the emergency housing assistance to keep people from being evicted. It is the Housing for Health contributions that Katie mentioned where we help fund regional shelters. It's kind of like the money where you write the check every year and you're helping people but it's not building new stops. So we have those kinds of things that we can fund with it and then we also have the big ticket items when you get those non-profit developers who wants to renovate and apartment complex and buy it how we can participate and help. Cool. Thank you. Thank you for your patience, Willie. I have some questions for Katie before she sits down. Is that okay? No, yeah. Katie, with these dollars what's being proposed today is $100,000 for our housing program which used to be 300,000 was general fund. Can any of these dollars be utilized for that program? And then that opens up more general fund for us. For the housing element? No, the employee assistance. The employee assistance. I don't believe these funds can be used because these are tied to for low income and there would be restricted dollars in which with if it was to, I think the only way it could qualify would be for the down payment assistance but that person would have to qualify as low income and there's so many technical aspects to that that in my time here we've had one successful down payment assistance program application passed through our CDBG grant and we had that open for years. So it is a needle in the haystack. I think it'd be much more efficient to use the city program. We could when that person comes in we could see if what they're buying and their income would qualify. And maybe I think that might be a word. I mean, we're talking about programs here and trying to think about opportunities and before Jamie you go the other point the other question and something you said was about the rental assistance and so we have a three year grant providing rental assistance for cab currently cab. I think I'm getting the right one but where we use our general fund to offer those grants and again I'm wondering why we're not. So I know we have our big grant for cab but then they came back and negotiated more rental assistance program dollars and we pulled that out of general fund rather than somewhere here and so I'm just wondering if that's an option to open more general fund dollars. They come out of our housing fund. The cab fund comes out of the special fund for housing. So this the down payment assistance would be out of the general fund because it really depends on whether or not the applicant would qualify for low income when there's so many situations. I know that it comes out but I'm speaking more specifically to the grants that we allocated the three years and maybe you can just come back with whether we can utilize any money more of this for the three year grant cycle that we've already approved in the future and I think for the increase for the recommendation that you're making on 100,000 for our employee could we build that in as an option for them to access these programs as well or because that just opened that could open $200,000 in general fund essentially $150,000 in general. We'll definitely take a look at it. I have a recollection that the housing trust has some specific rules that says that like employees can't take advantage of it and so but we'll take a look. Your point is well taken and that's actually something we try to do. We try to do every year is look through like pay for contributing money because historically actually we paid the funding for the housing for health sheltering efforts used to be called the HAP. We had to pay that out of the general fund and so changes in redevelopment law led us to use the redevelopment agency fund and then more recently with the PLHA funding our plan is to transition it there. So our goal is always to find these but it's always good to look and check and see if there's an opportunity to utilize restricted funding rather than general fund. Thank you. Sorry, Kristin, I didn't know if that was your question. No, no. Did you? Yeah, I'm done, for now. I just have one question with the city hall options study decided including the police department as well or is that specifically city hall? It's both the police department and city hall. Okay, thanks. Okay, I think I did have a couple questions. This might be actually more infrastructure wise but the ballards, I noticed a lot of that we still put out wooden barricades during the last like couple of events instead of using the ballards or maybe I'm not seeing that correctly. Yeah. So the removable ballards were actually purchased with a grant through the, it was through the county and we got that a couple of years ago but those are removable ballards. And so we've been utilizing those depending on the traffic flow. So if it's gonna be like a lockdown event because once we put them in place they're supposed to be locked up. So depending on the traffic flow. Okay. Okay, and so they're usable. They're in good shape. Okay, cool. They're usable and like I said we've, that was all funded on a different. Okay, gotcha. And then I noticed one of my goals from the previous session, I think it was highlighted as green as completed but I'm not sure what the status of that project is for the crosswalk at Esplanade in Stockton Bridge. Yeah, that's not correct because that project hasn't been completed. So I think that one should be orange but let's hear from our Public Works Director. We have four of those on order. So they've been paid for. Cool. But not been installed. Okay, awesome. So partially completed. Okay, good to know. I'm glad it's on the radar. That's awesome. And then, oh yeah. And then I was gonna ask about charging stations but we covered that. All right. So any public comment? Welcome Valerie, you can unmute yourself and you have three minutes. I'm all excited. Okay, fine. Okay. So we'll take you back to council. Comments, deliberation, things. Are we pulling up one of our fun. Spreadsheets. You wanna go full spreadsheet right now? We're going spreadsheet. Let's do it. You're so predictable. You are. Let me see. I was prepared. Spreadsheet, I put it together. I think I've got everything that was on that sheet before. That's right, starting with the debt payoff and then the projects listed out. So council members wanna weigh in on them. You can do it. Sometimes what we've done in the past is council members say it looks good or we don't wanna do acts or let's move money. You wanna go item by item? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, it's kind of the council's discretion how you best wanna move through it. But this is saved if you wanna go through it each way or if council members say it looks fine or it's best for people. We're gonna take notes and do math on the fly if necessary. I'm good with going through each piece. Just piece it out, make it clear. Okay. So the debt payoff. Any comments? I have just a general comment that I feel like we're allocating nearly $5 million. Me personally having seen this list of 10 or so items just yesterday and the $5 million is not a small amount of money. I don't personally feel like we are dedicating an appropriate amount of time to this amount of allocation. I would love to see this list weeks in advance and have multiple meetings to discuss it. So one thing that may help a little bit in that is that we're actually not making any final decision now. So we will have another meeting to come up. Yeah, we're actually that entire budget calendar is not discussing these things. You have 20 more times. Yeah, I thought this was, we're supposed to approve this right now. You wish it was that easy. Yeah. Setting of those. Yeah, Mayor Keiser though, if I may, some of the items I want to propose today might force the other items to be reduced a little bit. And so I don't know that if we want to kind of, if you want to see what I'd like to propose or if other council members want to propose other items. So then we know how to shift the shells if you will of dollar allocations. Oh, because you think your points won't fall under some of these? Well, I definitely think that we should do some of these items, but my projects for something else that I want to allocate dollars might lessen the EV vehicles or something like that. So I'm just wondering if council members would rather propose some of their items first and then we can do the shell game of dollars. Okay, yeah. That's fine, do you want to start it off? Let me pull out my 15 pairs. There we go. And I don't actually have more. My first comment is about the $20 allocation from the 2022-23 EV program that we wanted to, while that will be continuing to this year. I would ask if we can leverage those dollars to create that program, Jamie, that you were referring to, to find a partner. So it just seems like in a year since we've created that as a goal, we've recognized that we can't really manage EV stations and that we should maybe move in that direction. And with that being said, I'd also like to see if we could use those same dollars, the 22-23 dollars, to see how much it would cost to move one of those EV stations from the library to our dedicated spot, because we've had a lot of library complaints about parking. And so, and they're not all being used, right? As frequently as they could be if they were in another spot. So that actually might be class saving. How many are at the library? I'm gonna say three. Two, right? Two or two? Okay. I think they're looking forward to what's in the future. There's gonna be a lot more electric cars. Yeah, true. Yeah, and so maybe we could put one on the sidewalk or look at other options. But right now, parking is a hassle. I am sure council members have done a lot of complaints about, so just opening one more spot. We could potentially leave the infrastructure there and open it up temporarily until demand for electric vehicle charging increases. I love that, yeah. So not using more money, but just utilizing that 20,000 from last year. So, the other one I'd like to do is see an increase to our city council travel allowance to $3,000 per council member. There's an increase of league of cities costs that, and we all like to attend those and some other increase, just we haven't done an increase to city council travel in a while. So I'd like to propose an increase and I don't know how much that would cost for us to move up to 3,000 per council member. Wouldn't it be five grand? Oh, thanks guys. A year, forever. You've actually touched on those. So the dedicated children's fund, we had 37,000. What I'd like to see is maybe some information from Parks and Rec to come back to us on the best way. So I saw up there some grants, or excuse me, scholarship funds. We did a two year. I don't know how much of it was used, so I don't know whether we need more to maybe move that dedicated children's fund to Parks and Rec. So I like that for that information just to come back to us, then I know how much we need to allocate more for scholarships. It was if they were fully utilized and we need all that money again for scholarships or so forth. Yeah, I think there's one other thing, but I have to look at my other notes for that. Ideas, but more specifically for scholarships. In your report earlier, you said we had a two year scholarship fund at 39,000 or something like that. And so I need to know whether you need it all again or we can use it for a new van, electric vehicle for them or something like that. This one doesn't cost money, but I'd love to add it as a goal or an intention of City Council. And this is to adopt the Children's Bill of Rights. The County and the City of Santa Cruz has moved forward with that, but I'd love to get that in. And there's language from the city and from the County already ready to go. There's also, I didn't see anything about our climate action plan. I believe last year we talked about looking at our climate action plan. And I know we have new staff on board. And so I'd love to see that continue into this year. And I believe what we said was that we've created a plan, we have goals, but we really haven't identified how to prioritize those goals and what projects we want to move forward with. So again, that's not gonna really take funding, but I think it's worth mentioning again for Council to at least know that I wanna prioritize that into this new year. And I mentioned it only because staff mentioned it a lot today that there's a lot of three CE funds that we can access. And it's almost like my own personal challenge to access as much as possible because those dollars come and go every year. And so I'd like to see what we need so then we can access those dollars. There is the MCR report that I can't remember what each word means from Lafko, but they, you know what it is, don't you? Okay, what does it mean? The MSR report is the municipal service review. The municipal service review was just completed for the city of Capitola from Lafko. And one of the things that they mentioned was that or suggested is that the city evaluate the spirit influence. This is something that every city, I think it's in every city's plan, but it'd be great for us to look at that, especially with the mall development, mall redevelopment project taking place on 41st and looking at what our options are just in our general sphere of influence. And so to do such a study, I think we have to ask Lafko about how much that costs, but I would say about 25,000, 30,000. That's just off the top of my head of fees, but that might just have to come back to us because I don't know how much. And then lastly, I actually did a really quick survey about programs for a gun buyback program. And there are other jurisdictions that have this set up and are looking for partnerships, but we have to allocate some dollars. And I think allocating or starting with $5,000 to create a gun buyback program would be great for the city of Capitola to start with. And then leverage other communities or partners who might wanna increase those. Don't we do that already? We don't have a gun buyback. Don't we partner with someone to do that already? Sorry to interrupt. No, that's a good question. That is a good program. So I know that we've partnered with the Sheriff's Department in the past, and I don't know that we've brought any actual funding forward, but I know that we definitely participated with the gun buyback program. The city, but the county chiefs does have a fund that we do. It's been a point of discussion in recent meetings. And so I think if this is approved, there would be additional funding that would probably come from that chief's fund, which is part of the Sheriff's Department. But it was successful three or four years ago. At the point I think we ran out of money. Wow. It was, I think it was like $20,000 and they went through it pretty quick. Oh, cool. That's awesome. Yeah, thank you. And then the other information that I most recently received was about the inclusive playgrounds. We were looking, well, we're partnering with the parks, the non-profit program. And we've had an RFPL. There's been some conversations about that. And they were looking at a very like, if we want to make the best park, it would be like $3 million or something crazy like that, which is a lot for a fundraiser to do. At a lower level, $1.5, $1 million is what they are anticipating in fundraising. And I think since we have some dollars allocated that $1 million, what I like to see is for us to increase our promise to the program, our promise to creating that so that the community can see that we're equally as invested, especially because the fundraising ask is gonna be more than what was expected from the board, the board meaning the park's non-profit board. So I'd like to ask for an additional 200,000 to be added to the funds that we already allocated for in 2223. And I know that staff has said, well, we have the $1 million, but I think that this is almost like getting ahead of it and allocating it today just makes it more feasible for the groups to move forward with what they wanna do. Is this for Jade Street? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd like to add to that once you finish. Yeah, I think those are all I have on that. All the others are, oh, well, City Hall phase two is gonna be part of the big, the leftover dollars. So I'll just, I think that was it. Okay, that's all I have. John, expanding on the Jade Street, I've had a few people approach me to have an idea to do what they did at Shoreline Middle School where they put turf in. If we're gonna be doing the big upgrade at Jade Street, it'd be awesome to get turf in there so we could use a field year-round instead of having to wait until they reseed it and all the bad weather and everything. They had a really good outcome and success with getting a lot of fundraising for Shoreline Middle School through the school district. I think it'd be a great project to look into to see what we can do. Yeah, and I believe that the project, when we see the design come forward from the RFP, which they're, I think we just got, I can't, I don't really, can't speak too much of it to it, but that the idea of inclusive development is to create like the spongy stuff that makes everything accessible for kids. And so that's actually that, that would be part of the entire project. Can I ask a question about that? When you say turf, are you talking about replacing the Jade Street field? Grass, the whole grass there. Oh, that's the part, I'm sorry, that has nothing to do with the playground, that's a different one. No, the soccer field itself. So that wouldn't be part of the fundraising efforts. I'd be concerned about environmental issues with replacing so much natural environment with plastic. And studies on the different turf things and waiting it out, the water use, there's quite a few things. So the turf projects that I'm familiar with are shockingly expensive, like over a million dollars. I'm not sure, hopefully nobody's shooting lasers at me because I don't know that much about the projects. I'm looking back at public works director, have you done a, no, okay. So none of us have done a turf project. I think they're really quite expensive. So I think if the council wanted that to be a long-term project, we would just have to go into it knowing that. I would also share with the council that previously we'd identified a goal to try to partner with the school district to look at maybe an all-weather soccer field at, right, and that maybe crossed over our property lines between our part and their middle school. And the goal was to get through the Jade Street negotiation and then pivot to talk about that. So that is something else that's been on our radar. We haven't really made any progress on it in a couple of years, but that would be one to talk potentially to the school district about there. So I don't want to disappoint the council, I think that the artificial turf tractors and their supporters, there's certainly the water benefits, there's certainly the year-round benefits, but they're significant, they're significant undertaking. So if we want to put it in here, we just need to understand that either we're starting to save up for it or we're gonna do some studies to check up feasibility. I think those would be my suggestions if we were gonna take the first step. Would that be a conversation that needs to take place in partnership with the school district first before we even identify this as a goal? Yeah, I mean, I think realistically, we would want to talk to the school district about either location if we were gonna partner at Monterey Park or at Jade Street, because I guess Jade Street is their property. Right, yeah. How about, I don't want to sway anyone from it, but what we could do with the follow-up here could be to reach out to talk to the district staff about certain projects. I'd love to do that. I'll reach out to them and hopefully go to one of their meetings and... Okay, so staff can do that. Yeah, I'll put it in here. We'll report back during the budget cycle, what that looks like. Do you have any other projects you want to add or anything? Okay. I just have a couple comments. First, what really strikes me is the pavement management funding. I feel like every time it comes to us to work on a pavement management plan and work on streets, there are always people saying, well, what about this street? It's the worst. We never have enough money to do what we want to do. We're always trying to catch up. We're always trying to make sure that the bad streets don't become the worst streets and the worst streets kind of get put off a little bit longer every time. And I feel like that's never, we're always kind of chasing that. We're never catching it. And so I would recommend, when we look at the pavement management funding right now, we have 350. I would recommend that we bump that up to 500 to half a million and remove that 150K from the one million in infrastructure hold. So that would leave us at like 850 infrastructure hold. And I actually am thinking that leaving the infrastructure, I'm calling it infrastructure hold. I don't know what else to call it right now. Leaving that at 800,000. And I'm trying to figure out where this other 50K could go. But right now my idea was to move 200,000 from that to put towards other projects, 150 of it towards, yeah, yep, to the pavement management program. I'm also thinking when we're talking about just community improvements and renovations, and I was thinking about this the other day, multiple years ago, we had some kind of, what do you call it? Plan, like an idea that's not really a plan yet. I can't remember what it's called. Yes, concept, there it is. That's the word conceptual plan for Esplanade Park. And it had like the big canopy shade coverings and it had those medallion trees and all kinds of stuff. I have no idea what happened with that. Is that anything that is anywhere in our planning ever again, or would we need to start all from scratch? Is there any opportunity to put $50,000 towards it to do something or? Well, first off the plan, you're exactly right. We could have like a conceptual plan prepared for Esplanade Park for an Esplanade Park kind of renovation. The way to get to these projects is you put funding in, right? I guess I'm trying to defend our public works department here is that they have so much on their plate. Of course. I'm a little bit afraid of like putting too much, I mean, putting money into pavement management, that can get spent, that's not a problem. But putting money into another project like that, it probably wouldn't get spent next year. So you may wanna just say, hey, I'm gonna hold that in that infrastructure line. But that, yes, that is a project that's out there. We'd have to dust off the old plans and take a look and see what they look like and run it by the council. I don't remember exactly what the details were, but that was a thing and that was something we did talk about a couple of years ago. Could I even lean in even further because I like where council member Brown's going with this, because I hear you though about bandwidth, but we have an arts and cultural commission with also funding a lot of it and so much of it. I see people's faces and so much money. No, not really, but see even if we allocate the suggested amount here, but get a match from the Art and Cultural Fund because there's a lot of that kind of design element that could be included that simply if you dust off the plans, you can utilize that funding. So not even having a touch, we could do the 50,000, but also giving arts and cultural a task, if you will, of utilizing their dollars that they currently have, I mean. Would it be considered public art? Because it's a big, what did you say, a medallion tree? The tree has big flowers that look like medallion flowers. Well, that's not, but something else. I wasn't meant to have something else to do. I don't know, but perhaps we could use, I mean, it's just, I know that would be nice to have the arts and cultural after they've put so much work into the stairs and there's just projects and art opportunity there, and I think this is maybe a perfect way to collaborate. Can we for now, maybe the best route here for now, because I don't know if we're allowed to essentially tell arts and cultural, we're taking your budget for this, and I don't know if they want to take it on. I know there's been other projects in the past where they're like, we don't want to do this, which is fine, they have the right to decide their priorities as we're doing now, but would it make sense for us to say, let's reserve that 50,000 for, I don't know, Esplanade Park improvements and just leave it at that, and then if bandwidth opens up, then we'll use it. If it doesn't, then come the next mid-year budget change, or if something breaks in Esplanade Park or something, but I'm thinking it's been a long time since we've considered improvements down there, and especially when you, I don't know if you all saw in the, was it the Capitola Soquel Times recently, Andy of the Brit was talking about how those concrete barriers out there that those trees are in essentially protected his restaurant from the waves, and so I'm thinking if there's anything that we can do to make that park more resilient and more community-friendly and more beautiful, it's something that I would really like to put money towards, but I do understand the bandwidth of public works, but I just don't wanna let it go because I feel like every time when we have ideas, if it's said we probably won't spend that money this year then every year we're thinking, yeah, we probably won't spend it this year either, we probably won't spend it this year either, and then we're gonna end up in another situation like right now where I'm saying, hey, that was five years ago that we came up with that conceptual plan for Esplanade Park, what are we gonna do with it? So yeah. I'm wondering if there's any way to incorporate hazard mitigation funding with an Esplanade Park, like conception, conceptual design. Now I'm going down a whole other round. Wasn't there talk about raising the seawall at some point? That was the climate action from last year that we... Yeah. I mean, that's why I mentioned it here is because essentially we need to revisit that and there's staff now, we didn't have staff to really take that bull by its horns, so I'm entrusting staff, but Kristin, to your point, I understand staff is in a data too, but this is up to us to move projects forward and we're not really adding a lot of big projects, we're reserving dollars, so I'm behind you on this one for the Esplanade Park. Okay, well then let's just put it up there as that 50,000 set aside for Esplanade Park improvements as a goal for the year, for now, is that fair? I'm new to the Art and Cultural Committee, but I'm pretty sure they would love to take an honor. Okay. And we can take it to them and go from there and see what we can do. Okay. So one nuance about the Art and Cultural Commission, definitely their funding is restricted and it has to be for our design by a professional artist. I don't remember all of the requirements, Nikki's nodding. So they were actually involved in that conceptual plan, I think because if I remember correctly, was that conceptual plan necessitated by the sea lions? No, it was way before the sea lions. Was it? Yeah, it was like 2016. I wasn't here for it, so. All right. Yeah, but for sure, we can put money in your projects as long as there's the understanding that we're pretty tight, but you're exactly right. You get to a fully funded project by starting funding and the other reality is that there's been many times we put money in the projects and then we reallocated it to a priority. So it's not gone. And then do we wanna clarify the actual amount that we have for the street repair? Because I feel like there was like the 350,000 plus that other 550, but if Vice Mayor Brown wants to add more, like what's the actual number we're jumping off of for the streets? So for time being right now, I'm just sort of taking down all the different ideas and then I can kind of recap because I think. I just mean what we started with in your presentation. My recommendation was 900K between the restricted streets funding and then the additional 350. If we went with Council Member Brown's recommendation, that would increase the total to a million 50. And that was your idea, you think? Yeah, to keep the nine, what was it? 900? 900? I think it was 900. Yeah, to keep us, yeah, to that we would use anyways where that was already planned for payment management. And then what was left in this general fund balance right there was 350. And so my thought was to add an additional 150 from general fund balance to make that an even 500,000 and take that 150 from the hold for major infrastructure projects. And then another 50 for Esplanade Park which would turn our major infrastructure projects down to 800,000. So that way I'm trying to move money around rather than add money that we don't have yet. So like it would keep our total 4.8 or whatever. But it would pull from other things. I guess I'm just wondering like what that 900, if say we didn't add anything, where does that 900 get us? So maybe we don't need to, if we're looking at our problem streets and then with, I guess we worked on it with Jesper. But wasn't the idea that the additional funding would allow us to move some of the projects from 24 into 23 or something along those lines? So then that way we'd essentially become a year ahead. Yeah. Okay. And I think, and the idea with that was because that way all the streets that are at risk of becoming really bad, we could stop them when they're bad. And then hopefully in the coming years, the ones that are already really bad, we can fix up instead of constantly just trying to keep things from getting worse. I mean, like the presentation to the more money you throw at it up or the more money you save in the lawn. Exactly. Yeah. Well, and also this year is unique because we have one time funding, right? So in a year from now, we might not be in a place with this kind of, this extra funding that we have. So I think it's smart, right? That we allocate, you get the projects done and then in turn that could even save us a little bit more and open up more funding in the 24, 25 year, which seems forever away. Wonder, yeah, like how much money do we lose by putting this off? You know, like we're paying off the debt, that's a 5%. Like, are we gonna lose more money by not repairing the roads to a certain standard? You know, like what's the most efficient use of our funds? It's obviously complicated. Yeah, it's a complicated question. And there's actually a school of thought that the smartest thing the city could do would be to go and borrow $30 million and we do every single street today and then only do slurry seals from here on out because the slurry seals are so much more cost-effective and you just nip everything you possibly can in the bud. Actually, the smartest thing to do would be to do every single street that is worth repairing and then leave terrible streets alone, which of course would be politically unpeasable and probably, yeah. Revenue measure for $30 million in street approach. I mean, that's, I think, I think if you talk to sort of the payment experts, that's kind of the thing. So, like the rate of interest is going to be lower than what we're costing to maintain these, how we're doing it in the long run. I think in general that that's probably true. Honestly, one of the things that the former public works director and I talked about at one point was, you know, could we do a half set sales tax for 10 years and just do every single street? I think we actually talked to council about that during possible ballot initiatives last year and unfortunately, the cost for all the streets was staggeringly high. It was like, I was hoping it was $15 million or something and it was something like $30 million. We just don't see it. But yes, you're thinking is exactly right that there is actually a mathematical formula. The smartest thing to do is to rebuild all the streets but mathematically it's very difficult for most people. What's also not included here is where your recommending we pay off our loan and I don't know how much we pay a month on that loan but essentially that amount of money is gonna come back to us on a, I don't know if you pay monthly or when I pay my bills bi-weekly, you know. So, I mean essentially there's gonna be more money coming back into us and so even to your point, Alexander, like reinvesting that into these types of projects that we know have that kind of impact might be smart. You do have that? Our monthly payment? Yeah, actually, so $40,000 a year savings would be approximately the savings by paying off that loan. Couple caveats, one is the loan was a three and a quarter percent, so we're not actually saving like that much. In addition, we've also used that housing trust fund to pay some of it. So it isn't all sort of going to the general fund. So, you're absolutely right, paying off that loan would reduce our ongoing obligations moving forward. It's got a ton of money. So it's already at the 5.5? It just went up this year? This year? Okay. That's why we're getting around it. $40,000 a year. I mean, I guess like if we spent a million dollars, for example, that million dollars hold for infrastructure, if we dedicated that to streets, like how many thousands of dollars would we be saving per year? Like is that something that we can get calculated at some point in the future? I think it's something we could work on. Yeah, I think that's something we could try to present. It would be like reasonable to understand that. What you might even like is that spreadsheet that we had of the breakdown of year to year. And so by us covering the next two years today, then you'll have an idea of like what's left in terms of our projects. And then that's the calculation, but that would be really great to see of our projects and how they're identified from worst to best or whatever it is and the cost associated. It's really helpful. And we already did some of that, that we approved from last year. So we're already at least ahead of the game with trajectory. Okay. I have things, yeah. Yes. Okay. So yeah, I have a handful of ideas. Some of them may be free. Some of them may be able to take funding from elsewhere and some of them may be appropriate to allocate some of these one time funds for, sorry. So I have a couple of things revolving around environmentalism that I am interested in pursuing and I'm not sure if that would be appropriate to take from these one time funds or from some other pot. But one of them is to increase the number of public water fountains with the capability of filling up water bottles to reduce plastic use, single-use plastic. I'd like to promote the California Green Business Certification Program which may or may not cost some unknown amount of money. I'm actually talking to them and probably we'll meet with them next week. The California Green Business Certification Program is a statewide program that offers certification to businesses who meet a number of criteria regarding environmentalism. And it's a free program to businesses and they actually offer rebates from time to time of up to $500, I believe, for businesses that wanna spend that money to meet their qualifications. So it's a great program. They've done a lot of good work in our state. And I think the county and city of Santa Cruz are already partnered with them but I think it would make a lot of sense to work with them to promote that in our city. One more environmental thing but maybe I'll come back to that if I find it. I'd like to have a mall redevelopment committee to make sure that we're working together with all interested parties and potentially community stakeholders and moving that project along. I think it's a really complicated project and it should be one of our top priorities in the coming year. I don't expect that that should need any budget but more of just a goal. Also be interested in maybe dedicating some funding for programming at the community center and during or after its redevelopment. Specifically, I'm interested in a maker space. Maker space is a place where people and maybe students can go to use tools and learn about advanced manufacturing techniques. So it's education, workforce development and economic development. Space for communities are really popular. I think it would be a great idea but that would definitely require funding. I'm sure there's a lot of potentially grants out there that could help on that. And then another program I had in mind is an intergenerational program to connect the elderly to children. I think there's a lot of benefits out there and for that and a lot of really good examples of successful programs. So I just think if we're spending $2 million renovating the community center it would make sense to put some amount of money towards programming and to make sure that it's utilized to its full extent. And speaking of goals, yeah, I would be in favor of, and I don't know if this also wouldn't cost anything probably, but I would definitely be interested in spending more time looking at strategic goals specifically in the greater than one year, like five, 10, 15 year strategic goals for the city. And just really maybe having some sessions as a city council to think about the direction that we want the city to go in in the long term. That's all, yes. To try to, so I think I hopefully I've got them up on the screen here. Do you want some of these, do you want to put a dollar figure at this stage associated with them or do you want us? Yeah, well, you know, like the public water fountains I don't have a good idea of how much that would cost or like what locations would be appropriate for that. I mean, the programming maybe. If I may, with like the maker space, I'm just wondering instead of putting enough amount if we could dedicate staff time to seeking grants for, I know that the school districts have them, right? There's a lot of grant funding out there, so maybe dedicating staff time to inquiring about a grant and seeing how that goes and then bringing back that. And then the other thing I'm thinking of is for your inter-generation program to connect with youth leader, youth and elders and other entire community members. That I think once Nikki comes back to us with where they are with funding wise, maybe if we do have some dedicated children's fund dollars, we can push that back to Parks and Rec. So like explore that a little bit if you'd be open to that. So not necessarily putting dollars on those two items today but staff time for the grants and then a potential funding support for Parks and Rec to look at some of the programs you're referring to. I think it might make sense to allocate some funding specifically for materials, for something along the lines of the makerspace or other programs, whether it be something else. Like do we have money allocated for the community center to buy things other than infrastructure to support these programs? Do you have a timeline? I'm just thinking because we're in developer building it. Yeah, it might be next year, right? Yeah, and so if we find the grant funders, then we know we need X amount of money for next year, then we can allocate those dollars next year. Yeah, that's reasonable. Okay. I'd be willing to support that. And then I guess I have a follow up like about the mall redevelopment. I know we're, are we just kind of sitting here waiting? I mean, that's the vibe I'm getting. So I don't know as much as- That's why we should have a committee. Well, and that's what I understand but it's up to the developers to decide. I don't know if we can be beating down the doors of developers to, and maybe we can. I don't know. I think we can definitely- And then- There's a lot to take to encourage developers. Okay, well then- I think that requires coming together with key stakeholders and making a plan to how exactly we want to do that. I think we could look into a committee. I think that you, I'll just sort of add a little bit about committees is it's usually good for committees to have a good purpose, right? And give them a clear charge beginning, middle, and end. Sometimes you can form committees and they can have a lack of them on their own. And so that can be a little bit of kind of just, frankly, just take up staff time. The mall has been a hell of a project. And it's just like the pace at which it's happened has been incredibly frustrating to me. I know some council members are frustrated and I know many development directors are frustrated. So I mean, I think along those lines, if the council formed a committee and tried to put like a specific purpose and said like, give us a report regarding feasible options to accelerate mall redevelopment within three months. I think that that can make some sense. I think opening the door to sort of a standing mall committee where we get together and we kind of just bring our hands and say, this is really frustrating. I mean, I think part of the committee would be to have these very strategic goals and timelines and create those. I mean, yeah, that's why I love committees. That's not weird at all. Well, and I think that we owe it to our new council members to even give them the space and the opportunity to learn more about all the work that's been put into it. And I don't know that you've been given that. And so I think it's, and maybe it's not even forming a committee quite yet today, but meeting with staff, talking about what that could look like, seeing how much more you need and who the stakeholders would be. Cause I don't know what stakeholders you're envisioning. When we started this four years ago, at least for me, the stakeholders were different, right? So I think it's fair to say that coming up with some sort of plan and coming back to us with it, sometimes committees and ad hoc using different terms require different like brand act and like all that sort of stuff. So I don't know if you'd be open to working with staff and coming back to us on that cause I could get behind that. Yeah, I mean, we can come up with a plan for specific details of the committee. Yeah, definitely. 5,000 pages of reading for you, Alexander. I've read a lot. And I have met with a good amount of people and had a lot of discussions about them all redevelopment, but gotta get together, gotta make it a regular thing. I hear you. Okay, so any of Alexander's points are we looking at a dollar amount? I was gonna ask specifically for the water fountains. Do you have a dollar amount in mind for that? Or have you talked to- Does anybody have a recommendation on that? I've never purchased a water fountain at all. Well, why don't we reach out to keep Sapa Cola? Sapa Cola. Keep Capital Assaulty is the nonprofit organization that the Capital Beach Company has and their company is the one that installed the two latest ones that we have. So if they're willing to, the 10% of the profits that they receive for that brand goes to environmental additions or anything mostly within the village. So they might be the people, they might have 10% sitting there ready to spend and if we have ideas of where we want those water fountains to go, that might be something that isn't necessarily coming out of our fund, but it's part of the vision of the environment. A few years back, the foundation put one at New Brighton Middle School and it was, I believe it was 15,000 for one. Yeah, for one at the middle school. If the Art and Cultural Commission painted it, it would be a piece of art. You remember Andy, Chief? Is it 1,000 to 15,000? Yeah, we put one in at New Brighton Middle School and one of the foundation paid for it. Could staff take a look at this and potential spots and prices and come back to council? Yeah, we can come back. That would be reasonable. And identifying how many, that would be helpful. Yeah, like how many would be appropriate, locations and average pricing and then we could just have a better idea of. I mean, that could also be a fundraising thing, almost like the bench program or something, like, hey, do you want to fund this water fountain and have your name on it? Oh, my gosh. I will know that we are describing the exact opposite of payment management projects. Yeah. There's a lot of things with a lot of staff or because they're- I have my name on a water fountain. I mean, these are little things. I have no more- I appreciate the enthusiasm. We'll take a look and see what we can find out. I'm sure that there's options to replace water fountains and potential partnerships. That is the challenge is that like those kinds of things often are like lower dollar figures and lots of part of it. You know, you can't put a price on being environmentally friendly. Exactly. Staff hours number. Yeah. Okay. All right, I want to move numbers around. What have we done? Are we ready? Because I'm ready. I feel like there's enough meat up there to start carving. Okay. Okay. So council member Brooks is asking for 200,000 to go towards the park. I would say move that from the 1.85 for the community center. And that would make the community center 1.65. So we're still keeping some money there. You need a new column. And then the 200,000 that we just moved would be for towards the inclusive playground. Which will in turn be with the fund raising. That was one of the new things she added. And I'm trying to add the new things but keep it within our budget. Within 4.8. Within 4.8. So that's what I'm doing is trying to take everyone's ideas and put the money things and with the money things we already have which is super technical way of saying that. Just massaging. I'm just massaging. So then the pavement management would be 500,000 now. What should I have in here? Oh, the gun buy back program was like $5,000 I think and that's not a lot. So I would say put that into part of the police tech updates. So I don't know if you want to consider that taking 5,000 away from police tech updates or just adding gun buy back to police tech updates. But essentially guns would, what? Just cheap deli need that as a separate line item. Does it need to be a separate line item? From the tech one? Okay, so whatever the tech one was make it five less and add gun buy back. Well, how many guns would that acquire? Yeah, how much you, how much are we paying these people? Oh, that's quite a few. Okay, that's quite a few off the street. Actually, I was like, I heard like 500, 700 and a thousand is like the general and so I still think we got enough if we can average our partners. So does that sound, so wait, so you do want to use 5,000 or you don't? 5,000, I think it's a good, so. Okay, okay. Okay, so did you already reduce the tech updates by five? Increase it. Oh yeah. No, no, it reduced the tech updates by five and then add. We added 5,000 to it and included gun buy back. Oh, just added 5,000 to it. Yeah, so I just added the work out. Okay, sure, for this sake, that's fine. At 50,000 for the Esplanade. Yes. Because we took 800 and 1 million for infrastructures, now 800,000 instead of a million. Yes. Oh, and I got it. Yeah, right there. Yeah, sorry, that's 800 now. I think a lot of council member Peterson's ideas don't cost anything yet, as far as we can tell, but I think it's good to add them in the goals, right? Council member Clark's idea about the field and the turf, super basic, not any detailed search, so that there's a 2023 California turf rebate of up to $20,000 for commercial municipal projects. So maybe that's something worth looking into, even if we're not budgeting it right now, to look into, make it a goal to look into that, because I think he's right for things like water savings and whatnot, I think it's worth looking into, especially if we can get a rebate for it. So I think the only things that we haven't included in terms of funding now, to get us back to equilibrium for that 4.8, is the LAFCO study and the $5,000 in increased council training. Am I right? Is that 35? That's not there yet, no. Oh wait, because you added, oh wait a minute, never mind. There's a total right now. So how are we still over by that? Oh no, not over, we're under. So now we have 15, is that what you said? Is that the math? So where does that 15 come from? Because I was reducing numbers as we added. 4.8. And then, yeah, we started with 4.8. I mean, 15K for programming. Hurts my brain. So I'm just wondering if going over that, I mean, these are 4.8 is pretty as we know, pretty rough numbers as we see they're not. Exactly, and so if we've just built that in and go over the 4.8 by $10,000, is that the difference? Because we know Jim's nodding to his head. He's like, it really isn't technically 4.8 on a day. We have 15, but we haven't increased the council training yet. That's not in there yet. So we had five there. Or the LAFCO study. And the LAFCO study is the other one. Yeah, so just maybe pop. So is that what you're suggesting, that is to go over? So what happens if we add the LAFCO study? LAFCO, what did you add in? 25 or 30. And what's our total now? 4.8. So we're over by what, 20,000? Probably close enough for goal setting. As we go through hearings, we're gonna refine all of these numbers. 20,000 out of 4.8 million, we're pretty much there. I have a question here. What does it look like subtracting $200,000 from the community center? How is that going to affect the project? We're still developing the community center project, so I can't say what would come out at this stage. There's always opportunity for budget modifications if need be too, right? This is essentially like first step. And to Alexander's point at the beginning, what will happen next is you'll see the draft budget and it'll include these things and then we'll have multiple budget hearings. We'll have more refined numbers. We'll be able to revisit these here. The decision isn't made until you adopt the budget in June. And if I may, Alexander, that projects like the one at the park, similar to the library, is that when you have fundraising happen, generally speaking, more is fundraised. And so at the end of the day, the dollars that you see here that we've allocated, let's say it was $500,000, we get some of them back. It's back, yeah. But it's just more of like us saying, hey, we're... This is what we're good for. Yeah. And that's my hope. I think that there's enough commitment from the group that's decided to support us in the fundraising efforts to really try to get to that number and cover this because they understand this is a lot of money. Could we make a note for the EV vehicles? I know we got, since we got our grant money right for the electric street sweeper. Yes. That was from 3CE. Our imaginary electric street sweeper. Yeah, that's not here yet. But it's coming, right? That was pretty noisy. We spent half a billion dollars on it. I know. So is that something too that maybe we could just either make note of or something I'm thinking if other grant money comes available from 3CE to help with us with more vehicles in that sense and then that would, I guess, so we may not need our full two or? Well, I mean, so realistically, the two is kind of just a placeholder to sort of, I mean, if we were to place every single city and tomorrow we would spend 3 million dollars, right? And so we would, I think it's 400K or something into the equipment fund. Right. It's been less lately. It's about 200K, actually. Yeah, so this gets us a little bit more into there so we can start sort of triggering that process faster. We are absolutely going to try to utilize all of the 3CE money we can. Okay. And I know that our public works directors participate in some of the calls about helping because they have programs. Huh! Sorry, that was crazy. We need new chairs also to add that to the budget. We'll add another five million dollars to chairs. You can also put your stuff right here at the tealotter. That's the floor up, though. That's funny. So yeah, absolutely, we'll be utilizing all of the 3CE money. Yeah, I just... You know, that number can be adjusted to as we move forward. So I think if this is the council's goal here, at this point we have a plan. Right. And I think then we will come back with some additional information and the budget will talk a bit about the TURF project partnership with the school district. We'll see if we can find out more information. I'm sure we can about the water fountains. Probably not initiating a gotten program. Just thinking about how much work goes in around those. But I think, you know, we've done the partnership with the beach company and we did a partnership. That's maybe, that's maybe, maybe. And we also, I think, we've partnered with the community foundation on some of these water fountains as well. So we're certainly, I think we can work on and then come back during the budget and talk a little bit more. And then there's also the ECYP funds. It sounds like there's some good ideas out there about ECYP funds that we can talk about. And if you can add on, and again, it doesn't have to do with any exact dollars, but the projects that we're gonna allocate staff's time to in terms for grants. So, because I think that's really important. That's how we got here today, right? What has been by applying for grants that we've never have gone for in the past. So I think it's just important that we continue to do that work and understanding that your staff time is limited, but we know that the outcome has benefited the city. So on a larger scale, really trying to continue to do that. And if you can make sure that when you come back, you can say yes to the maker space, the water, the, you know, whatever they went, there was a lot of them, but identifying those and the departments that are gonna be focusing on them, that would be great. Sure, folks. Okay. So is this enough direction? Are we feeling good about this? Great. Do we need roll call for this? Or is this just our direction? It's really up to you. I think at this point, if council's every one of the table. We could just do a yay or nay. Yay, voice vote. All aboard, all aboard. Oh yeah, I keep forgetting we can do voice votes. We don't have to do roll calls every time. That's true. That's right. Just for Jamie. I know. I know you do. Okay, great. Not missing anything? No, item eight, adjournment. Good job, everybody.