 Is there a good reason to decapitate animals? Why would we evolve the teeth to eat legend claws? That's good for me. You think it's okay to decapitate a cow because you make $30 an hour? You need to chill me, alright? Alright, we're back here. We've got Andy Folkner from Sydney here. Savepoppy.com We've got a sign here that says Mary Kilmas for the animals and we're going to go talk to the people, aren't we? We are. Let's have some fun. What do you think? Do we eat animals at Christmas time? Absolutely. What do you eat? What animals? Tell me. Tell me. Talk to me. I love brisket. You know, you've got the brisket, the pork, everything. I love it. Just roast everything. Roast everything? Roast everyone? Would you ever eat roast dog at Christmas? No. What animals? Just anything that tastes good, pretty much. Dog might taste good. Well, we haven't tried it yet. It's a bit of a race. No, I'm joking, but I don't know. What do you think of slaughterhouses? When they kill all the animals. They cut their head off. What do you think of that? I think that if it tastes good. It's okay to cut heads off? No, only if it comes out to a good purpose. Not for like... As long as there's a purpose. If it tastes good, and there's a purpose, you can decapitate animals. You can. Is it moral? You shouldn't do it, but we do that because it's yarmony. That's how we survive. Wait a second. Do you have Christmas roast to survive? Yeah. You would die with that one? Enjoy yourself, I guess. Can you live without eating animals? Of course, brother. Humans were meant to eat animals. That's just how it is. But the only problem is the farms. That's the only problem. You meant to eat them? Yeah, bro. We have these for a reason. Canines. You eat the meat. That's why they're there. Do you think these little pathetic things justify cutting animals' heads off? No, bro. You need to chill me, alright? I was just saying... That's what you said. These canines. You have canines to rip meat. Obviously, back in the day, humans used to go in forage and stuff they ate. The only problem is the farms. The farms and where the cows live. That's bad, alright? Like, if we were all getting our own meat, that's a different story. That's fine. Do you think you're a carnivore? Mate. Did you take down a cow with those? No, mate. Like, the Aboriginal style with the Spirin style. You're going to be able to kill them with your teeth. Like a carnivore does. No, no, no. Humans are a smart species, bro. We can kill our own food. Why would we evolve the teeth to eat... Where's your claws? That's good for you, man. You don't look like anything like a predatory animal. Have you seen a predatory animal? Like a lion, a wolf? What I'm saying is you're appealing to nature. I'm trying to get you to think, like, you're appealing to nature. I don't care what's natural, actually. Because killing each other has happened in nature. Rape occurs in nature. Animals have sex with each other without consent. Wait, so you're comparing rape to eating meat. We're talking about what's natural. Rape is not natural, man. Rape happens in nature all the time. What do you think animals ask for consent? Yeah, but, mate, a lion has to get the same brain as a human, bro. What I'm saying is because... It's something ethical. Well, let me just explain to you what an appeal to nature fallacy is. I'm trying to say, like, just because something occurs in nature, that does not make it ethical to do, does it? Yeah. Sure. Think of the things that occur in nature. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, vicious killing. The thing is humans evolved teeth like this for a reason. Humans have an evolved brain to hunt. Bro, if it wasn't natural, why would the Aboriginal people do it 50,000 years ago? Why? Why do I care? I just said I don't care if something is natural. I care if it's ethical. Well, it's ethical. Because horrible things happen in nature, don't they? So are you going to go tell a dog to not eat meat? I'm asking you a moral agent. Wait, is it ethical? Is slaughterhouses ethical? Let me ask you that. No, slaughterhouses aren't ethical. But eating meat as a human... So where do you get your meat from? That's what I said. If it's naturally forest... Wait, wait, wait, wait. Come on. Ask a question. Where do you get your meat from? Come on. Hold on. Let me... I was going to check a chain. Okay, you've seen the files they come from? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if you get the footage from slaughterhouses... Yeah, yeah, pretty much, but... Like eight minutes. He escaped pretty well, Bro. But I was just wondering where you got your meat from and probably not from a spear in the nature like a lion. Wait, that's what I said. Ask me. No, no, that's cool. That's what I said at the start, man. I said, look, slaughterhouses are bad. I said that. Wait, so why do you pay for them? Why do you pay for them? Because when I... come on, man. What else have I got? Just tell me why you pay for them. Why do you eat meat? Just tell us it tastes good. It's just the way it is. It's just how we like it. It doesn't have to be that way. I don't eat meat. It doesn't have to be that way. I don't eat meat. It doesn't have to be that way. I don't eat meat. That's the truth. That's how we've chosen to be. Okay. If you want to get... Do the animals have a choice to go to slaughterhouses? No, but... Yes, no. They have a choice to get killed by a tiger? No. You're not doing that. A tiger is in a survival situation, which we already... I'm in a survival situation, Bro. I need it in my life. You don't look like. You look pretty chilled, actually, right? Bro, I... Your realisation is chilled out, man. You're not trying to... You're not trying to... Thanks for the help, boys, man. Is there a good reason to decapitate animals? Like a justification. Is it morally justified? No. But that's just the way the cookie comes, bro. Life's not perfect. Yeah, but it doesn't have to be that way. We do support it without... But when you go into the food chain, you pay them, they go and kill the animals. You're a working adult, yeah? Sorry? Are you a working adult? Yeah, of course. I am a 16-year-old person who gets $13 an hour. Do I have the money to go and get a natural way of me or spend a lot of money on vegetarian options? Because it can be cheap, but it usually isn't. It's a hard choice. It's not hard choice. Do I have the money to go get a nice burger from McDonald's? They do a vegan burger at Hungry Chucks. Yeah, but, bro, why would I eat that? It's very interesting. You think it's okay to decapitate a cow because you make $30 an hour? Yeah. I know you're 16, but when I was 16, I wasn't thinking of this. I'm 36 now. Yeah. I've been vegan for nearly 10 years. God damn. Consider this, right? If I had an animal right here, a cow, they're looking at it and they're like, hey, go on. And you know they're conscious and sentient beings. They experience suffering. You're probably against animal cruelty, yeah? Yeah. I have a knife here, a cow here, a vegan burger here from Hungry Chucks or whatever. And I'll say, I'll decapitate this cow because you like the way they taste. Would you accept me doing it? What would you say? Nah, man. I'll say the vegan burger. What about this? Wait, wait, wait. So why? No. Because obviously it's right in front of me and it's not a mandatory thing. Okay. I'm behind a wall. Right? I'm behind a wall. You put the money through the slot. I decapitate the cow, make a burger for you. You know what's going to happen then. Freshman. Yeah, no, it is what it is. Would you pay me to do it behind a wall? Sure. I wouldn't pay you anything, bro. Like, if I can get food for free, I'll get the food for free. I'll say it's $5 per meter to decapitate the cow, make a burger for you. How much is it to get the free burger? The vegan burger is $5.50. I guess I'll take the vegan burger. But why? Why would you take the vegan burger in that situation? Close, bro. Like, you've got to cut, bro. Like, it's not that deep. Oh, I got to say that. It is exactly that thing, though. It is that deep. See, I mean, I've just posed the situation where it's a little bit close up to home. But when you go to, it's a lot, you're a lot more disconnected from it in the supermarket. Yeah. Yeah. That's actually true. That's actually true. But like, I don't know. I feel like that's not really a real situation because when they do, when they mass produce beef, like, it's not just like one, like, it's not just like, oh, yeah, let me kill this cow to make one person a burger. Oh, no, no, no. I know that. You do? I know that. Yeah, yeah, of course. But they might kill a chicken, a small chicken. And it might be, it's probably a kilo of chicken on that burger. Yeah, I got it. But I'm saying the concept is still the same. Without your support, they won't kill cows and they won't kill chickens. That's fair. But like, I don't know. I just don't see, like, everyone's here on, you guys are here on the street. And I just don't think it's right. Everyone else, everyone has their own opinion. Like, no one's going after you for what you think. So like, I don't know, if you make people feel bad for their, like, if they want to eat meat, that's their choice. Why would they feel bad if there's nothing wrong with cutting animal's heads off? Well, there's not another guy up the street doing the complete opposite to you and saying, why would you be vegan? It just, well, it's just each to their own view. There's no moral wrong with consuming plant products. There's not. And if people want to eat meat, they obviously don't feel that there is a moral, there is a moral wrong or they don't think about it. There's a bunch of people in this slaughterhouse going to get decapitated. I'm on the street saying, hey man, there's human beings in the same slaughterhouse that kill the cow. Oh, yeah, yeah. And I'm on the street saying, hey, every time you put your money into this slaughterhouse, they're decapitating people. Can you please stop? Would you say to me, oh man, why are you trying to make people feel bad? It's their choice. What? No, no, one second. Well, why not? Because they're people. You don't get in trouble for killing people. I'm saying, if I want to eat them, they taste good. They taste good. We've been killing humans in nature. Humans have been killing other humans in nature for thousands of years. That's the moral thing, bro. There's catapulting nature. There's still catapult tribes right now. You can say this about anything, bro. You can literally say this about anything. You can't just take stuff and put it into the reality, bro. Because you can say this about anything and there are stuff in the world that you might not like. You can't less if a petto goes to jail or not. It's just how it is. Some people care, some people don't, bro. You know what I'm saying? It's different. There's bad things that happen, right? But rarely are there cases where you're paying for the flesh of a being who didn't want to die. So I'll put it in the human context so you understand why it's bad. Yeah, it's a big difference because if you kill an animal, let's say you go hunting and you kill an animal and you eat the animal, it's a big difference killing a human. Is that what you do? No, it's not. I'm just saying. Just curious how you get beat. You buy it. Where's the store? Butcher. Anyway. And where's the butcher get it from? That is not really my problem. I think that a lot of people when they go... It's not because you try to put... like, that is a lot. You try to put it on morally like, oh, you're in the wrong. But the thing is it doesn't really matter. Like, you feel good. You feel good being vegan, yeah? Who doesn't matter to the animals or us? Josh, if you're happy I'm happy with the way I'm living right now and I'm sure everybody is happy with the way that they're living. So, like, I don't know, like, if you are okay with what's going on then you shouldn't let anyone else like, you sway the way you think. So, you know, you don't feel bad about what happens to animals in factory farms, slaughterhouses, slaughterhouses. Yeah, do I have to go? It's kind of the same thing. So, do you have a dog? Do you have a pet? I mean, I don't have one but there's one in the family. Yeah, dogs are bred to, like, be with a family of stuff. So, they're bred and then they're killed at the end because you put down a dog, obviously. Your family would do that. Yeah, but, like, yeah, alright. So, pretty much you're going to kill your dog. You kind of bought your dog money. That's a mercy killing. It's not killing for a burger, you know that. So, if you're suffering very badly there's no way to help you. You could be starving. A mercy killing is, like, no, no, no, no. To my interest, for taste. No, yeah, for taste. So, if you're sleeping at night in a mosquito, it's annoying you. You'd want to kill it, right? I mean, animals that bite you and give you diseases are good to defend yourself from them, but I'm talking about chickens who do nothing wrong. Oh, no, not mosquitoes that will kill you. Just ones that annoy you. Ears and stuff. Yeah, they're biting your kids in the face. You know, I think it's good to defend their cell defense more than, um, decapitating for burgers. It's not really the same because cows can also hurt you. You could go on a farm with a cow. If a person attacks you, you're allowed to defend yourself. But if they just chill it, it's not okay to just decapitate them for a burger, you know what I'm saying? Wait, so that's all crocodile meat? Yeah, but we can't reason with a crocodile. I could say I'm allowed to go kill people because crocodiles kill people. So it's a bad, it's bad reasoning. Fair enough. Yeah. Anyways, look, I'm going to still eat my Christmas dinner. Who are you eating for Christmas? Tell me. Oh, dear brother. How's this cow? I'm eating pepper the pig. Good job, man. It's brisket. Awesome. Latino style meat. It's got a saddle. Argentinian style is very nice. It's so beautiful. So cows. It's a cow. Come on. Can you eat? Everyone. Everyone. All the animals. All the animals. I don't know. I might have to rip into that tofu. I think, what? Tofu turkey. I don't know. Tofu turkey. Yeah, mate. Sounds amazing. Sounds delicious. You might like it. I might have to give it a go. You might like it. The lads. Do they reckon Merry Christmas for the animals or they have a Merry Christmas? No, no Merry Christmas today. What about the animals? They have a Merry Christmas or the turkeys? You know, it depends on the farm. But they always get killed, don't they? They do get killed in the end. And that's not very merry, is it? It's not very merry. Maybe it won't be a better gift for the animals. Probably some more food. Leave them alone. Leave them alone. Put them in an open farm. Just milk them. No killing. No killing? Maybe milk a tit or two. You know, hey, I'll just say that's in the cows. Cows, cows you can milk them. Turkeys you can technically milk. Let me ask you this. Do you breastfeed? When did you stop breastfeeding? Let me just check my mouth. So, why do you still breastfeed from a cow? I don't know. Maybe it's a good shit. Because everyone else does it, eh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It won't lie. Everyone else does it. It's just, it's just norm. It's just a social norm. It's just a social norm. You ever question the social norms? When I'm sober, yes. Because you're drinking, you're drinking. I have milk from a cow. Who's that milk for? Me, majority of the time. No. A few nieces. Who's the milk supposed to be for? I don't know. The kids. The calf. Yeah, the kids, calves. Yeah, the cow's kid. Yeah, the cow's kid. Where's the kids, do you reckon? On the farm waiting to be next. That's where they are. About to go to slaughterhouse. Let's do this. Say no. Just say no. Thanks, brother. You should be a vegan. I wish, but I like meat a bit too much. You know, you can get vegan burgers, vegan ice cream, vegan everything these days. True, I have had vegan burgers and they're f***ing top s***. There you go, brother. They're f***ing top s***. Merry Christmas, mate. Take care. Have a good night, brother. You too, brother. Take care. Have a good night. Boom. See you, brother.