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Here comes the show. You wanna make some of the fastest gains you've ever made in your lower body? Use the sled, here's the best part. You can do it every single day. Oh yeah. Yeah, you know what's so overlooked, man. So overlooked. And it is one of the few strength and muscle building lower body exercises. I guess you could put it in that category that you literally can do a tremendous amount of frequency on and not suffer like the same consequences you would if you did like, let's say squats every day or front squats or anything like that. I've been such an evangelist of sleds for so long. And it's just now, like I get encouraged because I see it more often in the gyms and they actually make turf areas for the sled. So I think that it's more accessible. So it's like we can talk about it now. It used to be one of those functional tools that only sports specific people had in their gyms or not, but there's so much value in the sled, especially, I mean, anywhere from a kid to 80 year olds, it just spans across all different types of people and where they're coming from. Do you think that has a lot to do with no eccentric portion of the exercise? I absolutely do. Right now I'm trying to think of like what other movements that are popular where it's completely eliminated the eccentric portion of the exercise? Well, you're doing the work, right? Like the machine isn't like placing a force on you. So you're the one that's driving, dictating how much effort you want to put into it. I know, what else is like that? Is there anything else that would be like? I mean, Olympic lifts technically are all, you know, no eccentric, right? You do a clean and press drop it or a clean drop it. And that's, there's something to be said about that. The eccentric part, so you have, whenever muscles contract three different ways, right? Generally there's concentric, which would be like if I'm doing a curl, I'm curling the way, eccentric is lowering. That's actually a type of muscle contraction. And then isometric is holding. And the one that causes the most damage is eccentric, it's the lowering of weight. Isometric and concentric cause less damage. Now, there is a positive to eccentric. It's also the most connected to muscle growth, but the limiting factor is, you can't do it all the time. It's so damaging on the body. So this is kind of like a hack, right? With the sled, I can do it so frequently. Like I can literally do three sets of- You can basically do it every day. You can, and you get, and it's super safe. Like it's, I feel no joint pain. In fact, I feel like my joints almost get like a chance to recover. So if I'm starting to feel stiff from doing lots of squats and deadlifts, I just start using the sled. I don't lose any muscle mass, which tends to happen if I do any of their exercises aside from those other ones. And my joints feel really good. And I can do it like every single day if I wanted to and feel fine. It's one of my favorite things to do. It's inevitable when you are training, no matter what kind of great programming you're following that we all have a tendency to have those days where we overreach. It's one of my favorite tools to supplement into my routine. When I'm like, let's say I have a program I'm following and I'm squatting at least two or three times in the week. And on Wednesday I get a little excited and throw on probably more than I should. And then Friday I'm back at legs again and I'm really sore still from Wednesday's workout. I'll drive the sled that day. It's one of my favorite things to do and replacing something like that when I overreach because then I still feel like I get this great workout, but then it almost feels recuperative. But while also still building, it's a weird. That's what I'm saying. It's so unique. And then there's some other benefits as well. One of them is that it strengthens the foot and the ankle through that range of motion. So like you could do calf raises and you'll technically work the foot and the ankle of course, but it's not working the foot and the ankle in conjunction with the knee and the hip, which is how you'll use it in everyday life. With this as you're driving, your foot has to get stronger and your calves and your tibialis and all the stabilizers have to stabilize and strengthen. And the benefits are tremendous because they all work together. So your weakest link starts to catch up. And this is what I've noticed. My feet and my ankles feel so much more stable and stronger because I've been driving the sled. Oh, it's huge for that. Especially athletes, like being on the forefoot and you don't wanna be on your heels in any athletic endeavor. And so this is one of those that helps you kinda train and strengthen again your feet to be stable and strong in those positions. And so to add some volume to that and frequency to that I think is super valuable. Yes, and then what you can do, and this is what I've been doing too, is you can incorporate some isometric stabilization in the upper body with your drive. So the two different ways I'll do this are either fully extended. So let's say I'm driving three or 400 pounds on the sled, which is a decent amount of weight for me. Keeping my arms totally extended and fully extending my shoulders. Like that has to, I have to be able to support the weight with my arms, shoulders, scapula, my core, right? So that's good. Or I can bring the sled here. And now I have to stabilize in this kind of down pressing position as I'm driving with my legs. And they both have really good carry over to upper body exercises. Well, shout out to the knees over toes guy putting out great information on this stuff too, but about also like bullet proof in your knees and like getting in that position and like even dragging it backwards. Yes. You know, so it puts a lot less strain and impact on your knee, but also gets it stimulated in order to also like build strength and support around your knees. Yeah. And then those of you that are like, you know, don't enjoy the, I guess the stamina conditioning aspect of exercise, which I get. That's not my favorite either. This sled gives you a decent amount of that. Like if you push it just further than a short distance, your heart will start to beat and you'll get like a conditioning. This is why athletes like to use it or why coaches who train athletes like to use it because they get the strength with some of the strength stamina thrown in, which you don't necessarily get as easily with traditional lower body exercises. So since we're talking about great fitness tools, are we gonna talk about the stupid one that you bought the other day? That's not stupid. That's not stupid. Did you try it? Cause like I don't even need to already know it's gonna be stupid. Try it. I got it. I got it. And tried it. I did. It was pinching my sack and everything else. So tell the audience, so Sal bought the other day a... No, no, no. We all bought. You're right. You're right. You're right. We did. Yeah, we did all. Exactly. I don't know how much to say it, but Sal found this, I mean, I guess we should tell them where I'm gonna shit on it. Well, don't shout on it. Don't give them the name because I don't want you to, cause I like it. I do. It requires some setup, but it's a belt squat attachment. And if anybody's ever seen a belt squat machine, it takes up a lot of space, kind of a pain in the ass if you have your own gym. But this is an attachment in the cage. And there's a couple of things I had to do. I had to add plates to give me more depth. I think there's gonna have, I'm gonna have to put like a two by four to hold it up when I load it and then lift it and knock the two by four down so I could do my, but it loads the weight and pulls at the hips. So it takes out the, kind of the lower back. And for someone like me, with my knees really... Don't load squats. Yeah. And so when my knees are apart with a wide stance and going low for me, that's challenging. I really got some decent feel and... So I want to be clear, because I know somebody, of course your fans that will defend you right away. I think belt loaded squats are amazing. I think the tool he bought is what's terrible. Yeah, it's a little funky. I don't even have to. I can tell by the mechanics of it. It looks, it's pulling away from you. It's not as much, that's not an issue actually. Really? Yeah, the issue's the setup. Because Justin said that was an issue for him. No, it was the, okay, so we don't have the right belt. It's really the belt and it's the chain and it's the whole attachment. It's just funky because of the setup. But it is too, like the angles challenging to direct it completely how it should, because I've done the other one and I know the difference. So it's like, it's way smoother. But again, you can make it work. I understand where you're going. Like you're just trying to put all the work in in those cakes, man. You're trying to catch up. I get it, dude. I'm jealous. What's the over under on the last day he ever uses it? The last day? Yeah. I use everything. I bet after three weeks from today, Doug put it on the calendar. Three weeks from today, you'll never see him strapped. He'll use it more than that deadlift cage thing that he bought. That's my, Even that, I like that way more than I like this one. So my bet is, I use all the stuff in there more than you do. So there you go. So there, boom. We'll see. We'll see. I actually liked it today for someone like me whose mobility is an issue. It's going to help me challenge my mobility. So I'm going to use it quite a bit. We'll see. My three weeks, that's the over under. So that's the over under. We'll give you a new belt and I'll say if I can make it work. I'll get a better attachment because you're right, the belt that I had to use was the one that we used for pull-up. I would love to have it. I need it for the sled anyway, so we could double that up. Yeah, because Justin said he's going to, he's going to look into getting a different sled because the one we have is kind of funky. That one's funky too. Which is true. Is it because it's too tipsy? Like you're watching this a little more. It's rickety and there's just so many better options now out there and there's like just a single loaded plate that you can drag versus the one that you drive. Look at us upgrade our life, huh? Yeah, we got an upgrade dude. We're a fitness podcast. Luxury fitness over here. We just finally got rid of that janky-ass bench that we had forever though. Oh my God. We had that cheap. Remember when we first started, we couldn't find any companies that would like, you know, hook us up or give it. We weren't even asking for free stuff back then. We were just like, can we get a discount? We have this podcast. We're like 5,000 followers back then. Yeah, and I think they gave us like 10% off for some shit, so we went with it. This is your special discount. Wait, I just saw that on your website. And then we get the bench and it's like, would I do it in park? It's like I'm on a stability ball. Oh no, on accident. Well, hey, you know, made you work against all kinds of variables. Somebody picked it up. I think Jerry put it out in front of the studio and said whoever wants it for free, so somebody's out there getting it. Nobody wanted it. Is there any piece of equipment that we have out there that you guys never use? Never use? Yeah. I mean, I don't use those CAF machines, but come on guys. Yeah, no, I like those. I like, we use those. Do you use both of them? I do, although I do. Well, so I actually don't use- The stand-up one's awkward to get in, but it's OK if you get into- So I like using that for legs. So I, if I- Man, I'll use that for the hack squad, I guess. So if I, like, let's say I have a day where I was just talking about where I taxed my legs and I overreached, I will do that machine in a sled. Then that's my workout. Like, that's a great- So the CAF aspect of it, it's kind of awkward. You got to get in weird or whatever. And then if the range of motion is kind of short, you're here. So I figured out kind of a hack. So you know where the shoulder pads sit on your shoulders? Yeah. If you walk forward in the machine, so scoot yourself forward so you get the front of the shoulder pads, you'll get more of a range of motion. Oh, almost like you're leaning forward like this. It's just, the back of the pads are back here. So I'm way more forward. Oh, OK. It actually works a little better. Oh, OK. Remember, I've been working out in backyards and home gyms forever. So I, you got to do that when you don't have- Yeah, I'm trying to think of what equipment, Doug, does anything pop up for you that we have that we've just- I use all the bars that we have. So like all the, I love that we have- Do you like the Buffalo bar? Yeah, I love that we have all those. I'm trying to think if there's any, obviously the dip stuff, that's obvious that we love all that. I'm trying to think if there's anything out there that- I think we use everything. Yeah, the only thing I have here is that power rack that you have. But mainly because I don't know how. Oh, the deadlifts I'm up? Yeah, yeah, the deadlifts I'm up. Oh, that's cool. I've done some banded deadlifts already on that. I just haven't focused on like strength in a while because I'm trying to get my joints to feel better. So that's why I haven't, because if I do, I get carried away. I love the hard, heavy shit. And I just got to focus more on- You say you haven't been doing strength? Not hard strength. No, I know. It looks like it's, I'm so strong. But no, I haven't at all. This guy says that for like a week, dude. You do a couple of mobility exercises and you're like, I'm totally refocusing on it. You like watch all my workouts, like what's going on here? What do you mean? We can all hear them. They're in here all the way. Every one of us, there's- No, it's true. I don't go lower than eight reps ever anymore because my- Oh, wow. Yeah, or rarely, I should say rarely, because it just starts to bother me. That's good. That's good awareness, because that's typically where you like to be as in the five by five world. I know, dude. And once you get to a certain point, it's like, you know what's cool? When you've been working out for a long time, what you need to do to keep your gains is way less than what you used to have to do to keep your gains. So now I can train, you know, with better form, with just perfect form. It's the benefit, but it's also a totally different mindset. Totally different mindset. You have to kind of concede to it. Oh, dude, I remember in my 20s, man, I'd walk into the gym and it was like, it was like I was invincible. I'm gonna do everything as hard as I can and I'm gonna feel fine. You know what I use the least amount that we have in here? I actually don't use our kettlebells that often. Really? I use this all the time. I know you do, though. You use the kettlebells a lot. You like to press with them a lot. Yeah, I do. You press with them a lot, which I do like that. So I need to get back into doing the clubs more often. I was just in the mace. Oh, that's what I don't use. All right. I never use the clubs or the mace. Man, I mean- I guess we're doing it for a while, though. I would see- I was on a hardcore kick for a while where it was pretty much how I got ready for every workout I started doing that. And you tell you what, I picked them up the other day and noticed how much I've lost already from not using it like that consistently. I think I want to try practicing the mace. It's pretty impressive to see you swing that big ass. How much is that one weigh? It's like- The big one? 50 pounds? The big one's only 50, but it's a long lever. 50 pounds is exactly it. It feels like 500 might as well. I won't even do it. I'm scared to do it. Oh, yeah. I've worked up to the 30. At the 30, I can move around pretty- You don't brace properly. You're screwed. Well, I remember one time you were doing it and Adam brought the dogs in, or one of the dogs in, and he was running by and he had to stop. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I almost hit him. I stopped and was like, yeah. If somebody gets in the way, oh, that would be really bad. He's kind of a tank. Huh? He's kind of a tank. He's a tank. He'd break the mace. He'd take that orange. Hey, you know, I gotta say something. This is really interesting now. What do they say about, what's that saying about women when they all hang out together enough times or cycles start to line up? You guys have heard that, right? Everybody gets a, I don't know if that's true or not. It's not. We've actually looked it up. Remember we looked it up. So there's actually conflicting, there's actually, some people still say it's a thing and other people say it's not. So the theory was that it's like when you're at a light and your blinkers on and the cars blinkers on. Eventually they align. Yeah, but then I read some other articles that are saying, no, there might be some evidence. Anyway, here's where I'm going with this. I think all of us have connected in a very strange way because we all have shitty sleep at the same time. No, I think every time. I didn't have any tummy issues until you. I swear your gut has influenced my gut. Actually I did, I just didn't. I ignored it. I just never had any of this stuff. Now I feel like I have everything you got. I feel like, man, if like all the things you're. A little bit of a move on your guys' food. So you guys have my back to you. Everything you were sensitive to, I feel like I get sensitive to now. I knew you did that. You sick bastard. So I had shit sleep last night. So I woke up at like four or 3.34. And that was it. And then I'm restless from there until six where I'm like up and I can't get fully good sleep. I come in here, Doug comes in. Like, man, I had crappy sleep. I was like, oh, me too. And then Justin comes in, oh, me too. And then you, we all slept bad last night. I sabotaged myself though because I was still nibbling on some cookies from Everett's party. So that destroyed me. Wait, wait, let's get a little more specific. I mean, not nibble like cookies or was it a. Pazookie. Yeah, that's a big ass. It was a big hefty chunk of chocolate. And it messed you up. Was it this weekend? It was during the week because yeah, he, it was his birthday. You threw a weekday birthday party. Well, it's a dick move. Dude, like, dad, why isn't it like two friends? We had one school night. We had this really cool, I feel bad for him because we had this like awesome birthday all set up for him. Like he was going to have like, you know, his friends that we're going to stay over. We're going to do all these activities, all this stuff. And then like his friends, you know, couples friends got COVID and then, you know, we had it going through the house. So we had to like delay it. And so this was just like the family get together thing. So we did that. But so did he not get a makeup birthday then at all? He will. We're, we're scheduling right now with his friends' parents to see if we can make it work. But I know kind of, you know, like you just see he was having a hard time with it. And of course, you know, I felt terrible for him. But dude, that's just how it goes. I bet that's happening a lot right now for like everybody. Yeah. I mean, how many, how many, I mean, I know, I know more people, I think I said this the other day, like I know more people right now that have COVID than like don't have COVID. Like that's how fast it's going around right now. Yeah. So you got to think that there's tons of poor kids who've got either their parents that caught it, right? When they're supposed to have a birthday or one of the kids that catches it like. Kids school, like everybody got it. But the good news is it's like it's making its way out. Yeah. So here and gone. So you ate that and it messed you up, huh? Yeah. Yeah. I was up and I have this weird. So with acid reflux, it's kind of one of those things where it's sometimes it's just, it wakes me up because it's like, oh, it's steams and it burns. This time it was like, it was just stuff coming up where I felt like I was like drowning in the middle of the night. Like, and I would just wake up like, oh, and it kept happening. So yeah, I just, I do the old move of like go to the toilet and just get rid of it. Wow. And then you're okay? Yeah. No, no, no. Oh, cow. Terrible. You just got to get, just get it out. Jesus. Yeah. Exercise the demons. No, no, that's, that's bad, dude. No, I just, I'm restless. So it's like I'll start to drift off and then wake myself up for some damn reason. And then here's what's really annoying. Oh, this was annoying. I finally start falling asleep. And I guess I started snoring. And you know how I know this? My wife wakes me up. That kicks you. Boom. Oh, just nice elbow and the ribs. Now both of us aren't sleeping. Thank you. Terrible. And it's like three AM, right? Like I swear, that's like the time that always happens. Dude, speaking of kids, okay, but first I'm in a little warning here, okay? Trying to get too heated and let's try to keep it, let's try to keep it as. Well, before you transition into the heated stuff, I do have a question because I did speaking of kids. I'll stay on the topic for you. So before you piss off our audience and get everybody all fired up. I had a question for you guys that, so Katrina, I don't want to say we got into it, but we had like, she was giving me a hard time when I came home last yesterday and she was really busy. And so I took Max away from her right away and him and I were like playing and we were upstairs doing stuff, they were in his closet doing stuff. And then I, he wanted to go outside. And yesterday was like a sunny day, it's cold. It's like 64 or so like that. So it's pretty cool, but it was sunny and nice and not really windy at our place. And so yeah, let's go outside. And he's barefoot, you know, and he's wearing like these thin sweats and shirt. I did a video of you. I don't know if you guys saw my story or not. And so we go out there and I'm letting him play in the water and the mud and get so like that. And Katrina's like, you need to put all this stuff on him. She's telling me how he's cold. He's just got better from being sick and he's been so sick all the time like that. And I'm like, honey, you gotta understand, like if we always bundle him up and we never allow his body to adapt and learn to handle cold temperatures and hot temperatures. And we're always trying to regulate to keep it perfect because we're afraid he's going to get sick. I'm like, you may be protecting him at this moment but you're setting him up for having this super weak system in the future. And I'm not saying that we should always have our son out, you know, naked and barefoot in the freezing cold and stuff like that, but intermittently challenging that I think is really important that you do that. And you're always pushing back on me when I want to do that. So you got to let me do that every once in a while or else he's going to be like not be able to handle that stuff. And he was okay. Yeah, yeah. No, he was totally fine. Like he was having a blast and playing, but the reason I'm bringing it up to you guys is one, I don't know if that's a conversation that you guys have had to have at your house or not, but I had to like really break it down and explain to her like the way the body, and I said, listen, the body is always adapting in one direction. And it's either getting stronger in a direction or it's getting weaker in a direction. And I said, if we coddle his temperature all the time and we keep in this perfect 72 degrees, whether he's in the house at 72 degrees or we're putting on clothes so he's neutral in that all the time, it's never challenging that system in his body. And so there's tremendous value in that. Did I use that same argument when kids like forget their jacket? Yeah. Yeah. Like, oh, well, I guess, you know, you're going to go ahead and deal with this and challenge your body with the fact that it's going to be cold for the rest of this time. Is it now, is it, is she like this now because of that time that you didn't give him water and he got shaken through up? That's different. Did you just dehydrate it? That's different. She's like, make sure you give him water. You know what? That's probably why it backfires on me because sometimes I think she thinks that I'm just like being irresponsible. So I think that was her reaction is just like, you know, go, it's like I'm being lazy. Like I don't want to put them on. Like, no, I intentionally do that. You know what? Kids are so different from each other. I think you can often tell when they're cold because they're, believe it or not, I mean, the lips will start to turn a little blue and their hands get really cold and you can kind of tell. And kids are different, man. My, my, my son's a, he's a little heater. He's always hot. Like always, you know, but my older son was the opposite when he was little, he would get cold. I mean, regardless if he's cold or not cold though, the value of, of training him in a cold condition like that is, I think it's tremendous. I mean, you have to understand that is that system is responsible also for coughing and sneezing and also that if you make him more resilient, he's only going to be able to fight off things in the future. So do you know what they do in, I think it's Russia, I want to say that. They throw them out in the snow. Well, what they do is when they give a kid a bath, they keep cold water. Well, no, they'll do a normal bath and at the very end they do a super cold rinse. Well, you remember Kyle Kingsbury, his kid had never even touched warm water. Oh yeah. I'm serious. Like he, they bathed him from the, from birth in cold water. And you know, he'd be out in winter time on our coast, swimming with his dad in the ocean. Like it was no big deal. And I mean, that's a little extreme, right? So I don't, I don't think, and that's what I was trying to explain to her. I'm like, listen, I'm not saying that we should always freeze my kid out and stuff like that. But I think we should make him a little cold and uncomfortable sometimes. Because I think that it's only going to strengthen his immune system in the future by doing that versus always kind of caught on that. Yeah, no, you're right. Yeah, no, I, you know, my dad would tell stories. You know, my dad took baths when he was a kid. You want to hear something crazy? They didn't have indoor plumbing. He was really poor. So they would get water and then they would heat it up. They would have to heat it up by the pot on the stove and then pour it into this big, like basin. And then there were six kids in his family and they would start with the baby and work all the way up the chain until my dad, who would be dirty cause he was working and then my grandfather. So they'd all use the same freaking water, dude. And the baby would get it first and they move all the way up. My dad's like, that's how I wash myself. He doesn't pee in it. Yeah. He's like, oh man. Yeah. No, you just get it. It's all right. Just put some soap on it. It's great. I was just watching the show and it was, I don't remember the time or the era it was and that was like a big deal. They were at like some, you know, well, like get away like a hotel or something like that. And, you know, that was back in the days when you'd have to go shuttle the water. Like there wasn't even a running pipe that went to the bathrooms. You have to go down somewhere. Get the water. Get the water. Bring it up and then pour it in the bathtub, you know? And that was like a luxury to have a warm bath. My dad got married when he was 19 and up until he got married, he slept in the same bed with half of his siblings and they'd sleep head to toe like this so they could fit. So my dad's like, yeah, I had my brother's feet right next to my head and that's how I slept up until I moved out. I'm like, holy shit, that's terrible. But you know, what are you gonna do? All right, ready to piss everybody off? Yeah, there we go. Oh man. Here we go. So there's a, this is a proposed bill. So it's not a one that passed. Nonetheless, I can't believe someone would even propose this. California, I gotta read which politician proposes because this person needs to go to... Have they? They need to get rid of them. Have they proposed anything of value in the last few years? Not in California. I have not seen anything positive about this thing. It's unbelievable. So I gotta look and see where it is. I think I might have lost it. Nonetheless, I'm gonna read it to you. I'm gonna tell you what it's all about. So it's a proposed bill where kids as young as 12 will get vaccinated without parental consent. So disempower parents. So the school... Now, do we have anything at a federal level that protects that? It's at the state level. I know, but something that still protects that. If it got all the way up to the Supreme Court, they would get vetoed for sure. Oh, I think this would go to the Supreme Court if they tried to... If they passed it. Yeah, you can't do that. Could you imagine if it was like... So California state... This was ridiculous. Okay, so Scott Wiener introduced the bill late Thursday in Sacramento. You sound like a wiener. Such a wiener. But a dumbass. Listen to this quote, giving young people the autonomy to receive life-saving vaccines, regardless of their parents' beliefs or work schedules, is essential for their physical and mental health. Can I tell you something right now? Just 12-year-olds are so smart. Our state just ignores all our current data. I'm sorry, you don't own my kid. It's my kid, not yours. Do you know what I would do if I found out that they gave my kid a medical treatment? Now, they say life-saving. There's a difference. Vaccine is preventative. It's different than... You gave my kid, you had to give him blood because he got an accident. I wasn't there or whatever. It's totally different. But if I find out that a teacher or some politician gave my kid something without my consent, oh, well, that'll be a bad day. Well, anything. Anything. I mean, I know it's heated right now to talk the whole vaccine thing, and you can't say something with that without sounding like you're an anti-vaxxer, but it's like, dude, it's not about that. It's like you're giving my child something without my consent. Get the fuck out of here. It's a family decision. I don't care what it is. I get mad if someone does that with a sucker with my son. You know what I'm saying? These lines of like... Do you give my kid anything? Allowing the state to come in and dictate how families operate is insanity. It's crazy that they would even propose something like this, but it comes from this very twisted mentality that they know better and that your kid is actually theirs. It's theirs to raise and they know better and you do a shitty job. Hey, since you're talking about stuff like this, that's like controversial, are you following what happened with Chamath? I know we commented on it and stuff like that, but since we recorded our episode, I know that he put a statement out. I saw that. Yeah, so. It looked like he was kind of apologizing, I don't know, I'm waiting for the next podcast. To hear what he says about it. Yeah, I'm curious to see it. I saw everybody be posting it like crazy. Well, he got targeted because he owns a NBA team. There's the whole like, oh, the NBA, he's friends with China thing. Yeah, they're tied in with China. Somebody in our forum thought I was supposed to denounce it. I thought that was comical. Calling me to denounce it. Yeah, ridiculous. Dude, speaking of denouncing, did you see that ad that KFC put out that's getting just destroyed? Did you see it? The chicken nuggets? So it's an ad? I thought that was like, what I saw was they actually have meatless nuggets now. They do, and the picture that they posted, they have the meatless nuggets. They have fried erasers. And they have a couple of them cut in half. And it's like, obviously, yeah. What is that, dude? Like fried erasers. It does look like fried erasers. Okay, so if I was KFC, if I ran KFC, this was the meeting I would have. I'd sit in a big board room, whatever, and I'd tell everybody, can we just admit that we're not healthy? Like, let's not pretending like we're trying to be healthy. Let's just make fried chicken that everybody loves. I don't think it has anything to do with health. This has everything to do with the movement in that direction. And it's not even healthy anyways. No, we gotta get beyond all this stuff. Look at that, meatless nuggets. Disgusting. Get beyond, beyond meat. That is just, look how gross that looks. What is that? Although it might taste good because it's fried. I've never actually had anything that was fried that didn't taste good. It's frank and chicken. Let's be honest. That's why I like Carl's Jr. Carl's Jr. doesn't pretend. They're like, we're bad for you. Come eat it one. Come eat a burger if that's for you. You know you want it. It's late at night. That's actually a pretty good ad. I want to take some of that. Yeah, it's just that when they're pretending, like they're trying to act like, oh, this is meatless. You make fried chicken. When you guys think of fat, you guys just made me think it's like Carl's Jr. Like an ad that I'm reminded of. Like, what do you think are some of the best ads they've done in the last two decades? With a little Paris Hilton where it's like drippin'. It drips, huh? With the guy cheating. Remember the guy with the wife thinks he's cheating because he's got like, it looks like lipstick. He wipes the gas burger that's dripping. He wipes his face with the inside of his shirt. Carl Jr. was smart because they stopped playing the game. They're like, let's just embrace what we are. Big, messy, not good for your burgers. I wish every business did that. Yeah, just stick with what you're winning with. Do your thing, man. Nobody cares. Stop appeasing to this nonsense. Is this that restaurant in Vegas called Heart Attack Grill or something like that? There's a restaurant, right? Oh, yeah. Is it in Vegas? Yeah. Yeah, and they crush. Is that what it's called? People go there to challenge each other to eat as much as possible. It's called Heart Attack Grill, if I'm not mistaken. A cholesterol-infused food. And maybe Doug can look it up. You get a discount if you're over 300 pounds. Oh, really? Yes. And then the waiter or the people that work there are dressed like nurses. Is that true? Is this true? Yeah, dude. In Vegas, I've never seen this. I don't know, since it's in Vegas. Doug, look, maybe Doug can find it. This is old. I feel like the 90s, I remember that being a thing. I haven't heard it from them in forever. Oh, yeah, Las Vegas. Look at that. Like, they don't pretend. You know what I'm saying? How have I never heard of this place? Yeah, like, stop acting like it. I mean, you're in heaven if you're like a chubby chick. Fighting anorexia since 2005. So do they have a scale there where people actually get on and weigh themselves for the discount? I don't know. Doug, find their actual website. I don't know what you're looking at there. That is their website. That's their website? Yeah, it's not a good website. I mean, it's old school. See, look, they're dressed like doctors and nurses. They're just trying to serve you. Oh, wow. So they have the double bypass burger. Yeah, double bypass burger. Oh, my God. Flatliner fries, butterfat shake. Have you guys ever seen, like, have you been to a restaurant like that where they have like a featured item that's like impossible to eat? Yeah. So I've been to this one truck stop. It was in like Southern Illinois. And their whole thing was this burger that was like, literally this big. And the hardest part, like, I saw a guy get through, like, most of the meat. But you can't, you don't get it for free unless you, like, eat the bun, which is like a whole loaf of bread on, like, both sides. And so this guy's just grinding through, eating. And he got a crowd. Everybody's, like, cheering them on and everything. And it's just like. So American. It's so. Can you imagine? Exactly, right? Like, there's people that don't even have food. And you just, like, I can't do it. I'm going to force feed myself. What are some of the craziest feats of eating that you guys have ever done? Do you guys have any, any, any story? I mean, I think, I think eating a whole, like, extra large pizza is pretty crazy. By yourself? Yeah. You've done that? Yeah, I've done something like that before. But after, you know, the times where it's been crazy is after a show, which is why I totally understand why some of these people put on so much ways. Your appetite is just roaring. It's ravenous. And it's like, you eat a huge meal, and it just, like, kicks you off. Like, oh, there's warm-up time. Oh. Yeah, it's like, you just, it's real. It's, which I, you know, I tell you, it takes a lot of discipline. Because the first two shows, I remember eating like that. I was so hungry, and I told my others such a big deal. I was like, oh, I'm just going to go to town. And it's like, you'd, and you don't get, you don't get sick and nauseous feeling. Like, if I were to sit down and try to eat a whole pizza right now, I wouldn't even get halfway through, and I would feel like, like, oh, that's too much. I would, you would have to really force myself. But after a show, when I'm depleted like that hard, I'd power through something like that and be like, oh, I could still, I could still do some dessert right now, or like, it's still hungry afterwards. No, I did it, I did it once. This is back in the day when I was younger, and I just, all I cared about was the scale. And of course, you know, I was getting easy kids, I just wanted to gain weight. And I bought whatever the largest bucket of chicken you could get at the KFC is. So it was like, it's like for a family of seven or something like that. And I ate the whole thing by myself. And till this day, I can't smell KFC without getting nauseous. Oh, wow. I can't. It just, I went so far. It was too much. After I smelled like chicken afterwards. That's me with pancakes. Like I used to be a big breakfast eater. And when I was in college, we'd go and stop at like an IHOP or one of these like buffet places where you just stack plates. And I would eat like, I would eat scrambled eggs bacon and then like pancakes. And I remember eating just stacks of pancakes. I think I stacked up like, it was like five or six plates of like full stacks of pancakes. So healthy. And it was just like completely worthless on the field. I ended up like, you know, you get that like total crash afterwards. Diabetes. So tired. Is that hometown of phase like that over here? Yeah. After USA's, it was late when we got done in Vegas and I was craving a Cinnabon. And it was like five, 10 minutes before it closed. I was on the other side of town from where we were at. And I offered the guy that worked there that I'd pay him 50 bucks if he held it open. Wow. So I gave him 50 bucks on top of the six full-sized cement rules. I had four of them. I couldn't get any further than that. That was pretty, that was, that was. That is terrible. I think there's only 1500 calories or so per, I think, I think somewhere around there. By the way, I want to say something real quick. We talked about having poor sleep or whatever. Right before the podcast, I had two servings of the Organifi Pure. That stuff is magic. I actually feel okay right now. I was feeling like garbage earlier. Have you doubled up like that? I haven't doubled up on it before. Yeah, I don't know if you're supposed to. I do shit like that. Is that the, so you're not doing the packet? You're doing the. No, I did the scoop, right? But I did, I did double. I did some packet today, but yeah, I've done that before. I have two packs. Man, that's incredible. I literally felt like complete dog shit. And I took, I took the serving about 30 minutes later. I feel, I feel way better. Oh, wow. Yeah, it's pretty, pretty remarkable. You know, talking about Vegas, it just reminded me of a, I want Doug to look this up because I just briefly saw it before we go on the podcast. And so I should probably research to confirm, but it looked like it was true. Dana White has came out and officially announced that they will be, they will be hosting a metaverse fight. No. Wait a minute. Who's, how does that work? It's gonna be like video game fighting? No, I don't think it'll be video game fight. I don't think that's how it works. Are they gonna wear, they wear like little dots so they can track them and like throw them in there? Or maybe they actually fight and then they put them in the metaverse? Weird. That you can, you'll be able to watch are you pulling it up for us right now, Doug? Yeah, I want to see those. Yeah, I'm pulling it up. That's gonna be weird. It's true, yeah, is it? You're gonna watch the power bar go down or tell me to hit? Yeah, that's true. You get like super like, like power shots where their hand turns into flames. Yeah, like the stars go above their head. Kill them, finish him. That would be pretty cool actually. Weird. Do you guys follow his thing that he does on Fridays now? It's pretty clever, right? He does this like every Friday, like fans and people send in like different foods and stuff to try. So he tries all these like exotic foods and different stuff and then he kind of reports, oh, that tastes awesome or it tastes like shit or whatever. It was just last week or the week before he did this dill pickle one. Never heard of this, dude, where you dump out the juice. Oh, you said, I touched it. Did you see this, Andrew? Did you see him do it? So he takes, he takes like, he took like three like, like kosher dill pickles, the big ones or whatever, pours the juice out and then you take like Hawaiian punch, like your favorite flavors. You did like three different flavors like watermelon and something like that. And then you pour it back into the pickle. With the pickles and then I think it's 24 hours or something that you let it soak in there. You mean you eat a Hawaiian punch pickle? Yeah, and then you eat like a Hawaiian. Yeah, it sounded disgusting. He didn't seem like he was too impressed with it either. I was like, who started something like that? Dude, speaking of metaverse, you guys hear about this kid who became an accidental millionaire with an NFT. Did you hear about this? What? Okay, so what kind was it? Cause did you find out more about that metaverse fight? Yeah, it's going to be a fight. Basically, you just watch it, I guess. You just watch it in the metaverse. Yeah, I think so. So that's what, I think it's going to be a real fight, but you'll watch it inside the metaverse. Yeah, I need to look into it deeper, but it doesn't look at that exciting to me personally. So listen to this, Adam, you're going to love this. A student in Indonesia has made a fortune after turning a collection of selfies into NFTs because he thought it might be funny. He did it as a joke. So Sultan Gustaf al-Gozali, who studies computer science, took nearly 1,000 pictures of himself sitting in front of his computer over a four year period before transforming them into NFTs. Then he sold them, so check this out. He sold the 22 year old originally priced each one at just 0.0001 ETH, which is $3. But they soon skyrocketed in value after gaining the attention of high risk crypto traders with individual images now selling for more than $10,000. Why? And he's making a kickback royalty on each one. Bro, you got to see this kid. Now, you know what I think? Why do you want that? You know what's funny to me? He made $1.2 million. Are the NFT junkies that would take an article like that to prove that where NFTs are going? That proves that this is all wacky. It's just, there's nonsensical. I'm like doubling and tripling down on all the, like people I love, by the way, people that are sending me the NFT memes, I appreciate it, I love it because I'm like, it's my new people to rile up now. So like if I say something about NFTs, they're not religious about it at all. Oh, not at all. They get so offended. It's like there's a thing too. I need so much money for this. I continually say this on the show. Like they are here to say, 100%, it's gonna be game changing. Like the technology is gonna disrupt a lot of industries and change the way we do things. Like, oh yeah, it's here. But if you think some 12 year old kid making a million dollars off of selfies he did, if you think that's gonna be a future of how we use NFTs, you're a moron. Like putting money into that, like, that's just ridiculous. Yeah, the vast majority of people are gonna lose their pants. 80% at least. 80% at least, if not more. What the hell are you doing with some kid selfies? That you just bought for 12 grand. It's stupid. You know, someone was, I heard a guy, another NFT guy that was like pushing, like talking about how amazing it is and like, basically, you know the board eight yacht club thing that we were talking about before? So I heard him explaining more. It's like you're joining a mastermind group. And imagine being in a mastermind group that's got Snoop Dogg, Snoop Dogg, Pharrell, Steph and Curry all hanging out in this little group because you have to have a quarter million dollars just to get into it. And okay, theoretically that's like, okay, wow, that's valuable to be working with those minds. But here's the thing, what happens when those guys are bored and they don't wanna participate in it? Exactly, they opt out. What happens when Steph Curry's busy playing basketball and Snoop Dogg's busy with a million other things he's got going on and they're not in there. And then it's just your dumb ass with your quarter million dollar ticket to get in. Hey, he's Snoop, you wanna play? And they don't care because it's a quarter million dollars in them. They might use it. It's like the way you probably buy like a video game and play it for a week and then you're over it. Can you show me some dribbling skills? Yeah, hey, I'm too busy. You wanna play some video games? Nah, man, I'm trying to play a game right now. That's the part that I think that people are, cause I get it, right? They're obviously would be tremendous value of being in a small group like that where you're connected to multi-millionaires that are making moves and doing stuff. Like it'd be like a mastermind group. A lot of people love joining mastermind groups not for what they learn in the mastermind group, but purely for their connections. They're working. And that's why- And you know they're showing up. Yeah, right. But exactly. And even if they do show up temporarily, like what happens when they just, it gets old for them and they don't care anymore. Your NFT's worth nothing. Yeah. Or they find some other group they like hanging out with more and it's like. It feels like this is like a prime way to pump and dump something. You know what I mean? So if you're a celebrity, you could sell NFTs to meet with you in the metaverse or whatever. Get the price, weigh the fuck up, sell yours off and then bounce. So I heard another person talking about you guys- There's no regulations. Gary, I heard Gary Vee's made already like 90 million dollars off of his NFTs. Wow. Is that crazy or what? Why are we even doing you guys? Well, that highlights- Some ladies sold her farts in a jar. This kid made millions of dollars with the selfies. What are we doing? Farts and NFTs. Yeah, I had no idea I was gonna be survival. It's the beginning of the end, bro. Hey, if you had asked me five years ago. Sal, do you think some of this would make 150 or whatever it was, half a million dollars? Yeah. Selling farts in a jar and a kid would make a million dollars selling selfies. What do you think? Get out of here. That's, I'd say, yeah. I believe there'll be a pandemic- If that's not a sign of weird times, I don't know what is. Hey, something else that's cool. Oh yeah, he did. He made 90 million, and 90 days, by the way. That's crazy. That's insane. All right, here's something else that's cool. I was reading about blue light, right? Cause we work with Felix Gray, which is blue light blocking glasses. And I wanna learn more about blue light and some facts on the brain. So we know that if you're exposed to blue light, especially through the eyes, right before bed you'll produce less melatonin. It could affect your sleep because it sets your circadian rhythm. But did you know during the day, blue light increases attention span? It makes you more alert and it helps you with your memory. So why am I saying this? If you wear really strong blue light blocking glasses during the day when you're on your computer, you could be hampering your productivity and your ability to pay better attention. This is one of the good things that Felix Gray did. They have daytime blue light blocking glasses and nighttime ones. The daytime ones only block the most damaging types of blue light, but allow others to come in. So you stay alert and you're able to. Now because of those benefits, have you guys from blue light, the positive things that come from it, have you seen people using it for training with athletes and stuff like that? No, but I came across an article actually where people are utilizing it. I read it for learning. There's some universities that will have rooms where there's overhead blue light to help with studying. That's what I read in this article. So what are they doing with athletes? Yeah, so I didn't go deep into it. I saw it maybe, I don't know, three or four months ago I came across it and I thought, oh, that's interesting. Like they would be doing that. But I'd already read that about blue light because it's not all negative, right? Like it's not like. No, it's just don't have it right before you go to bed. Right, I mean, that's the case that I try and make all the time is like, listen, the blue light is fine. But it's like, if you're getting ready to go to bed and you're getting this bright blue light, then your brain just thinks it's fricking two o'clock in the afternoon. Yeah, and electronics put out quite a bit of blue light. And you concentrate it, right? So it's even higher. So it's like where the daytime, so if you work on a computer all day long, you want to wear blue light blocking glasses made for the day. And then a couple hours before bed, if you're still on electronics, then you wear the ones that are stronger because now you're preparing to go to bed. What you don't want to do is wear the nighttime ones all day long because you could be hampering your ability to retain information. I don't know how someone could do that because when I wear the night feeling straight, like so I have. Make you sleepy now. And when I have them side by side and I put one on and put the other, I could actually see the difference when I look through them. But sometimes I've grabbed them before like thinking one pair is the other pair and not realizing it. And then after I'm like knotting off, I'm sitting there, I'm like, Jesus, and then I realize, oh, this is the, because they're like a thicker lens even. So I don't know if you guys have noticed that before, but the daytime ones, I mean, like I said, if you go back and forth, you can tell if you do that. Yeah, you can tell a difference for sure. 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All right, here comes the rest of the show. First question is from Milena A. Race. What is better, hit versus traditional cardio and why? Yeah, this is one of those annoying questions where I'm gonna have to say it depends, right? So let's talk about the pros and cons of each, right? The pro of hit, you burn more calories in a shorter period of time. It is more muscle preserving than traditional forms of cardio. Go back to that for a second though. It's more calories per the minute within it, but you could technically do steady state for an hour compared to the 12 minutes and you'll technically burn more calories. So make sure. If they all do 15 minutes, right? Then you're gonna burn more with hit than you will with tradition. I think it's important to know that because I know that it gets marketed like that a lot of times. So people are like, wow, I can do 15 minutes and it burned more calories than an hour of cardio. It's like, oh, no, that's not what it is. No, it's more per time spent. It does preserve muscle better. It is better for if you want the kind of explosive performance that a lot of sports are looking for. Here's the cons. Requires a lot higher skill. The risk of injury is much higher. If you're a high stress individual, probably not appropriate. So it's less appropriate for far more people than traditional cardesans. Now we go to traditional cardio. It does burn less calories, but it also tends to be more recuperative. It doesn't preserve muscle as well, but if you're doing traditional resistance training and your diet's okay, then you're probably okay. Traditional cardio is not gonna give you the kind of athletic performance that most sports look for unless your sport is like long distance type endurance, like running or whatever. And it's just more appropriate for more people. So essentially what we're asking is what's better, a hammer or a screwdriver? And it depends on the job and the tool that we need for the job. Well, on think too, like risk factors. So if you go in the high intensity route, yes, it is more muscle preserving, but also you have to be a little bit more advanced in terms of having the prerequisites and having experience exercising at that pace where cardio you can kind of string it out a bit longer, might not be quite as impactful in the joints. Like you can kind of structure it that way. So you have to kind of decide what makes sense in terms of your goals and like, are you really at that level? Or should you just kind of construct more of a cardiovascular longer version of that? You know, every time we talk about cardio, I feel like we upset the cardio bunnies or the people that just absolutely love to do cardio. But I really wish that the general population or a majority of people that are listening to this that are trying to pursue fat loss, which is why most people get on cardio. Very few people are just doing it for overall health, which if that's the case, I think that's fantastic. Most people think it's one of the best modes for you to get in shape and to lose body fat. And I just wish if I could convey one thing to those people, I wish that you would figure it out without that first and then learn to add that in later. And then have fun, add hit, try that out for a while, see how it makes you feel, add a little bit of cardio, maybe do some walking, maybe do some hiking, maybe do some stair mass, maybe play with all this. But first, figure out your caloric maintenance. Okay, what amount of calories do you need to eat to maintain your body weight with no cardio and just your normal daily activities? And then learn how to program training in there, weightlifting, to see how the body changes from that. And or if you reduce a couple hundred calories from your maintenance, how your body responds as far as losing body fat, learn all that first and then bring and introduce cardio in and bring it in intermittently and or put it in places that you go like, oh, I could see myself doing this for the rest of my life. I could definitely do a one hour hike every weekend or 20 or 30 minutes, two to three times a week. But first, figure out, figure out all those other things of how your body responds without it in there and then introduce it in there. I think it would just, it would benefit everybody so much. Yeah, as a primary mode of exercise for fat loss, it's not very effective. It leads to plateaus, leads to metabolic adaptation. It's just not a super effective soul way of weight loss, at least not on a long-term basis. But back to the question of HIIT versus traditional, which is more your steady-state cardio, what percentage of your guys' clients did you put on HIIT and what percentage did you have do something similar to steady-state? I tended to use steady-state more. So did I. Yeah, like. Far more. It was a very small percentage I'd apply HIIT to. Yeah, same. Just because of where they were coming from. Same here because if you have movement pattern issues and a high-stress life and I'm not there to monitor and watch you and I'm asking HIIT training requires all-out intensity or effort. It's very high-intensity. That's something that's part of the name, right? High-intensity interval training. Whatever dysfunction you have or movement pattern issue you have is gonna be amplified tremendously and it's not a recuperative form of cardio. It's more of a workout. There's nothing wrong with that. But I like to have cardio. When I'm talking about the average person, if I'm talking to an athlete, that's totally different. I'm talking to the average person. Athletes are used to HIIT quite a bit. Yes. Yeah, but we didn't train very many athletes. No, I'm not talking to the average person. I wanted cardio to be recuperative. So I would do lots of things like walking and hiking and cycling to where that's gonna facilitate recovery rather than take away from the recovery that I need when I'm applying resistance training with them. So that's what I didn't wanna do. I don't want your workout, your cardio workout. Unless again, you're an athlete and there's a specific performance goal but I didn't want your cardio workout to be so intense that it competed with what I was trying to do with resistance training in the sense that I had to modify my volume and intensity to make room for your cardio. I don't wanna do that. Again, unless you're an athlete and you have specific performance stamina goals, but if your goal is fat loss and health, then I'm gonna pick the form of cardio that's appropriate for all of that in the context of what I'm doing with you. And it was probably 90% of my clients, I would have them do traditional cardio. Maybe 10% did HIIT. You're also gonna pick the form of cardio that's more likely for them to sustain long-term. And getting a client, that's why we talk about the steps and the walks and the hikes and strolls with your spouse. Like it's so much easier to convince a client to do that. You said something the other day on the podcast too. It's so true. It's like, if I give my client like step goals or hey, I want you to walk for an hour every day and you could break the hour up in 10 minute increments. You could do it all in one. You could do it in two half hours. I don't care. Just get an hour of walking, purely walking for a day. Then that means a client can do this. Oh, wow, I have a 15 minute break right now. I'm gonna go for a little bit of a walk or oh, I'm on lunch now. Instead of driving to get food, I'm gonna walk to get food. They can do things that, you're not gonna go like, it's my lunch break and I'm gonna go do sprints on the hill. Nobody is doing that unless you have a job. Your change, your clothes, your sweat. It's just not likely to happen for most people. So for the general pop, I would say mine was more like a 70, 25 split. I would say 75% of my clients, I did steady state traditional cardio or walking, 25%. And the reason why maybe I'm saying a little bit higher is because I don't think I train more athletes. I had this very small percentage, was maybe one to 5% was athletes that I utilized, hit. And then my advanced clients. So my clients that have been training for a long period of time and we've done steady state cardio forever, we've done, I've strengthened them there and we've done explosive stuff and so they're ready for that. But I don't, did you guys see what just happened to Brennan Shom? He blew Boulder's hamstrings. Thought he'd go for a sprint real quick. Yeah, that wouldn't happen if you went for a light jog. That's right, that's right. He was racing a friend and the reason why I bring him up, not to throw shade, we got a lot of love for Brennan, is that that's an example of why as a trainer I wouldn't do that with a normal, because it's an all out. It's that you're asking somebody for all out for 20 seconds to get after it as hard as they possibly can. And then if you get after it as hard as you can and you haven't conditioned the body to handle, that's exactly what happens. You blow a hamstring, you roll an ankle, you hurt your knee, you do something like that in the pursuit of you're gonna get this fraction more of fat loss or retaining muscle over it, it's just not worth it for a majority of the clientele. Next question is from Cup of Joe. What is a good pre-workout meal? I've been doing Ezekiel bread with honey and peanut butter and a cup of coffee for months, but are there better things to eat specifically for strength training? Yeah, boy, people really get caught up in the details and minutia of things that I don't think are that important. So here's the things to focus on. Studies will show that for performance, about a couple hours before a workout, you wanna have some carbohydrates and some protein, okay? Where they come from doesn't matter except for this. Make sure it's very easily digestible, okay? Because what'll screw you up isn't whether or not you had this faster absorbing starch or honey and the fructose versus sucrose versus what? Who cares about that? It's not gonna, we're splitting hairs. It's about digestion and do you feel, are you going to your workout feeling bloated? Do you feel gassy? It's your body internally fighting something as you're now going to work out. That's the problem. Yes, eat something really easy to digest. So for me, pre-workout meal would be like some chicken, some white rice and that's really easy for me to digest. I'd have maybe 50, 60 grams of carbs, 30, 40 grams of protein and I'm ready to go. I wouldn't choose proteins or carbohydrates that might give me a little bit of digestive distress which where maybe later on the day when I'm not gonna work out, that might be okay. Not good before the workout. I'm so glad that you went that direction with this advice because when I was competing, I actually got into this a little bit. I mean, when you're weighing and measuring and tracking and never missing and you're looking for every half a percent of advantage that you can get, you start to pursue some things like this. Up into that point, I never did. Like it never- It never makes sense unless everything is perfect. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Before that, I'd already been training for 15 years of my life. Never once did I try that hard at times, certain foods or really care about that so long as the overall diet was good in the day. But when I got to this level where, again, I'm looking for every competitive edge I can, I started to play with this stuff. And there's lots of stuff. There's people that are doing pop tarts to do it. There's people that are doing- Yeah, the fast absorbing cars. And they make this case for it. And here's the thing that what I had found from trying all the things is it was the meal that just digested well for me. It just made me feel good in general. Like, and maybe it wasn't the perfect ratio of carbs to protein that you might read that, oh, this is the most ideal for- What does it really say, two to one? Yeah, there's material out there to read that will point you in the direction of what that should look like. But the truth is there's such an individual variance with everybody's digestive system that it's whatever food gets digested really easy for you that it doesn't impede on your training that will probably benefit your training the most. And just because somebody else does this one thing that slams two or three pop tarts and they feel amazing and they swear by the pumps, doesn't necessarily mean it's gonna work the same way for you, especially if things like that upset your gut. So find a meal that keeps you satisfied. You don't feel overstuffed. It feels light when you digest it. You've given yourself, by the way too, I think time is important. Like sometimes people do something a half hour before your workout. For me it's about two hours. Yeah, two hours. I mean, I think it's 90 minutes to two hours is typically, I mean liquids are different, but for most foods, your body takes about that long to digest and convert it over into fuel. So if you're doing something an hour before and you think it's impacting your workout, I mean, it's really not. Most of that's not even getting converted yet. So find something that you can eat that you like and here's nothing too that matters, consistency. You know, if like maybe you could put together this perfect combination of foods that gives you like your extra 1% in your workout, but it's like so difficult to put that together every day, then what the fuck are you worried about? You know what I'm saying? Find something that you know you can consistently do and stick with that and that's probably the most important. I work out fast at every day. Every morning I work out at about 7 a.m. and I didn't eat anything that morning. It's the dinner before that's my pre-workout meal. It's not that big of a deal. That's the biggest thing is the digestive piece. Really the difference between rice versus potatoes versus you know, pixie sticks or gummy bears. I've seen people approach this stupid excuse to eat garbage, whatever. It's just whatever digests well and is easy and what you want is some carbohydrates and some proteins. And that's basically it. Really it doesn't make a big difference. Next question is from Josh Shannonator. How can I recover more quickly from extremely high-intensity squatting? Usually I am buffered for five days. You are asking the wrong question. You're trying to, you got a leak in the ship and you're asking me what the best silly putty is. How do I patch everything up? Yeah, no the problem is that you're working out too hard. If you're hammered for five days, there's no recovery tool available. I don't even, I mean, what's that thing that Boba Fett sleeps in? That chamber? I don't know what it's called. Star Wars reference. Unless you have one of those. Yeah, it's like a healing chamber. Unless you have one of those, I mean, but no, there's no recovery tool or technique or hack. That's gonna, if you're hammered for five days, it's gonna make a difference. It's not gonna make a difference. The problem is you're working out, it's too much volume or too much intensity or both in your workout. Fix that. The recovery tools and stuff, you know what those are good for? Those are good for people who are always training near the line and they're really dialed in about everything and they just want that slight extra edge. And I'll tell you, here's the list of things that are most important. Or they have to perform, right? So they just did like an event and they performed at their highest peak and now it's really necessary you add all these recovery aids. Yeah, but here's the list of things that help with recovery in order of importance. Sleep, food and water. And then L all the other stuff, like in a red light therapy and that might do a little bit or sauna or cold or plunge and that kind of maybe it'll do a little bit. But yeah, the fact that you said you're hammered for five days, there's nothing I could throw at you that exists today that will make that big difference. Isn't it interesting that's how this is how our brains operate? I was the same way too, you know? Like I would be- Like it's not the workout that's a problem. Like should I take some BCAAs or should I do some hot cold plunges or should I do a massage like right afterwards? Like I'm thinking of all things. Every time I'm so sore. Versus the way I look at it now, which is like, oh, I have this amazing signal that my body gives me feedback when I overreach, when I train. And look at this, the last two times I've trained legs, I've been sore for five days. It's not that I'm missing a supplement. It's not that I'm not doing something in my routine to speed up recovery. It's that I'm overtraining. I'm overtraining and I need to back off. And so that's the way you need to reframe this and think about this is that, and it's not a negative thing. It's just that simple is that you're training really hard probably on those days and your body is still sore when you go to train your legs again and that is your sign that you did too much. Totally. And backing off doesn't mean that you're slowing down your pursuit of going forward in progress. No, it means you're accelerating faster. You're just getting smarter with your training. I have to like put that out there because there's so many people out there still promoting like intensity by all means necessary. Like more is better. Like no, there's a smart way to train where you still progress. You can lift more weight if that's the desired outcome but you gotta be smarter about your training. No, Josh, here's the deal. If you trained less intensely or less volume, you'll get faster results than you're getting right now. So you're not gonna compromise anything. Right now you're compromising everything because your workout is too intense. That's the problem. So back off and then watch what happens to your progress. Next question is from Nathan Teal. What is something that all of you preach but struggle to practice when it comes to fitness? That's easy for me. That is easy for me. That's the question. Supplements is a big one for me. We always talk about how supplements don't make that big of a difference. Yet you take care of everything. And look, I mean, I admittedly have like a dysfunctional relationship with supplements. It's like almost like a drug addiction I guess. Luckily they're not drugs but I do love messing with supplements. I like buying different supplements. That's the supplement companies right now. Yeah, yeah. Shut up, Sal. You're knocking on our front door. I do like supplements. I like messing with them. I like experimenting. I like combining different things, seeing how they work in my body. I like to experiment on myself. Probably to the detriment of my own health and well-being, fully aware of it. And this is one of the ways I'm a better coach and trainer for other people than I am for myself. But that's an easy one for me. I know about that one and I'll work on it one day. Well, overreaching for me. I mean, just to kind of piggyback on that last question. Sometimes I just feel so good and I just wanna like recreate some of those moments I had like in my career where I was lifting heavy weights and I was like hitting personal bests and you just get in kind of the momentum and the flow of the workout where I'm like, just like yes and then I get after I know better. And it literally I'll stop myself and be like, I probably should back off but I want to do it. And then I just throttle down. So it's not always consistently smart. Every time I go in there and work out, sometimes I do stretch that capacity quite a bit. I would say, I don't know, like rock stars or diet cokes. Those are probably things that I wouldn't promote for people to be doing. You never put that in your client's diet plan. I never wrote that into a diet plan or encouraged someone to do that. Yet I still enjoy a good diet coke when we're eating out somewhere and I've been on a rock star kick for the last probably a year or so, which I gotta stop because I can already feel it eating away at my teeth and I'm gonna go see my dentist and I know they're gonna tell me right away. So that's probably one that I don't encourage people doing and I catch myself still doing it even though I preach otherwise. Other than that, oh, you know, here's another one. Definitely, I'm challenged on the staying off my phone late at night. I have practices that I put in place where I put the phone away and do things like that but it still creeps back into my life. Like I definitely find myself curious about, you know, what's going on with the business. We just launched something and so I'm watching the numbers like crazy and I'm just so interested or we just got a cool email and I wanna read it. I wanna wait till tomorrow and so, and sometimes I like that stuff so much. Like I love looking at the business. Like I've never had a business that has so many different analytics that I find it like relaxing even though I know it's not relaxing for my brain to do that. Like I enjoy just sitting there and so I catch myself doing things like that late at night when I know it disrupts my sleep. So that's probably something I can always continue to be better and then yeah, probably the drinks are probably the big ones. Other than that, I'd say I'm pretty consistent with the stuff that we talk about and we say on the show. Yeah, I would say, you know, if you're a coach or a trainer, it's really important to be honest to yourself about this kind of stuff because I think trainers tend, and this used to be me too, I would kind of fall in this trap of like, I need to be perfect, otherwise I can't help other people. Nobody's perfect. Nobody is perfect and that because you're not perfect doesn't mean you can't help other people. Just be honest and open. I think that the challenge is when, like I would have trainers that did this, that worked for me, they would preach eating clean and perfect and then they would preach it, like they were gods of eating perfect and clean and then when they would eat garbage food, they would hide it, you know? Like they'd eat the occasional bag of chips or fast food and they'd hide it. Oh, don't let anybody see and it's like, you know, you put yourself in a weird position because you're not a real human. Yeah, you're making yourself, you're turning yourself into something that you're not and that's gonna backfire. So I think it's important to be super honest and look, I'll be the first one to tell you that I am a way better coach and trainer for other people than I am for myself. And I think it's like that for most coaches and trainers. So, and that's the thing. Nobody's perfect in the pursuit of health and fitness is not the pursuit of perfection. That is what will get you in a lot of trouble. You pursue perfection, it's not gonna, not only will you never get there because it doesn't exist, but you'll probably go in the opposite direction. So keep that in mind. Look, if you like our information, head over to mindpumpfree.com and download all of our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost any fitness goal. You can also find all of us on Instagram. So Justin is at Mind Pump Justin. I'm at Mind Pump Sal. 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