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When you're looking at your fitness routine and your diet there's a couple things you want to consider one is longevity will this help me live longer but also balance it out with quality of life am I also enjoying my life more today and now so the reason why I'm bringing this up is because uh yeah explain that that can be a little confusing because quality of life and versus longevity seem like they would be kind of the same one in the same yeah so here's a great example right um I'm going out I'm gonna go out with you guys we haven't gone out in a little while so we're hanging out we're having a good time and we're drinking uh you know alcohol we're enjoying ourselves with some drinks what's probably my fault what's Justin wearing yeah oh you want to pit the picture let's take the whole picture he's not a lot if really short shorts so sorry I really just did I ruin it for you so anyway no but like we're going out we're hanging out I haven't hang out with you guys in a while and we're drinking margaritas and we're getting drinks and we're getting a little tipsy I'm definitely not contributing to my longevity right I'm definitely not contributing to my quote-unquote like physiological health in that in the I guess the conventional standings or setting but I am improving my quality of life I'm enjoying my life I'm enjoying the time that I'm spending with you and this is an important thing to balance so fitness fanatics sometimes mess up because they sacrifice like quality enjoyment for this like either performance or they sacrifice you know for longevity sake they sacrifice you know enjoying themselves with friends families birthday parties that kind of stuff and then on the flip side you can also be at a balance where it's all about right now it's all about eating food that I enjoy right this second it's all about relaxing right now that they're sacrificing the future in the longevity so it is this this balance that you have to look at and this is why you'll hear us talking about enjoying ourselves and having fun and you know smoke the occasional joint or we'll have you know the occasional drink that's we're definitely not thinking about like longevity when we're doing that we're not thinking of of health in the physiological sense we're thinking more of like well this is quality life I'm connecting with people and I'm enjoying myself and it's this balance well two biohacking two thoughts on that one that's there's a very fine line there I feel like it's a balance and then two I actually think you can make the argument that when you are making that decision for you know quote unquote quality of life it is also longevity though I mean when you share the research around the importance of relationships in relation to longevity the it plays a bigger factor than many of the things that we do to pursue to pursue longevity in I'm so glad you said that so 100 so there's actually a part of that where it may not feel like you are pursuing longevity by making a decision to drink with your friends at night but if it enhances your relationships with other people friends family and acquaintances like that then there are there are value values to that that are attached to longevity I I'm so glad you went there because that's very true there are things that we do in the moment to enjoy ourselves that also I believe in the data like you said Adam will support will also contribute to longevity for example you have some studies that will show that one glass of wine a day contributes to longevity now these are poorly done studies because the controls aren't phenomenal and what I think that's happening is people who have like one drink a night not 10 or five or just one drink they're probably doing it with people around them and bonding with them so what's contributing to longevity is the wine or is it the the socialization and the connecting with the people around them yeah I think a lot of that is misleading because you'll get a lot of certain things like that'll come up resveratrol or things that like they'll try and kind of pin it to like one specific thing but I think it's just really just the flexibility and like taking a little bit of the air out of the intensity of always having to be super rigid about well this is like the most healthy option for me always and I have to stay in that lane to be able to you know drag this out for you know more years it's going to add more years to my life versus like really the social component the flexibility of the the ability to kind of you navigate through and do things that you enjoy and with everybody else yeah it's true for workouts too like there's definitely I could construct a very balanced ideal perfect like this is what your workout program should look like long term for longevity mobility flexibility strength the whole deal but like what if you like soup you're like you know yeah that's cool and I'll do some of that because I love bodybuilding or I love powerlifting like that's my like real passion with fitness and it may be a little extreme and yes I could be devoting more time to these other fitness pursuits in the pursuit of longevity but man I love like lifting heavy or I love you know training in these extreme ways sometimes also I also think that that's not just okay I think that's probably the way you should do it because you want to find that enjoying it I was actually talking to somebody at the live event that we just had and we were talking about that in terms of like just looking at it more as a cyclical thing like it's it's a big pie that like inevitably there's going to be a part of the pie that's like you're going to be neglecting and you know to be able to constantly kind of address and see where those deficits lie and just adjust and kind of do them sequentially in season like I'm going to focus on this but then I know this is probably going to drop off and then I'm going to come back and revisit it and just keep kind of like keep keep that accountability of I've been focused a lot on performance right now and therefore I have to come back and maybe like address some of my joint health and kind of slow down a bit and you know add more lifestyle focus so it's just like something that life is is dynamic it's not like this linear thing that like it's always just going to work out like you know in a straight line now how much self-awareness you think is required for this though I feel like oh man you quickly can start smelling your own farts and thinking that they smell great oh this is this is for my longevity this is better for me like and then you start justifying these behaviors and then it becomes the opposite of your pursuit of longevity so so how much self-awareness is required for someone to to be able to do this you need good friends you need yeah and you need constant you need a constant practice where you examine yeah where you examine self-awareness so for someone that might look like a prayer or it might look like meditation where you kind of take this big view of everything and you look at everything you know is that really like I know that you know drinking can can sometimes improve my quality but am I really drinking to improve my quality life or is it sometimes it to avoid life for example right or to distract myself um yeah I know I like to train a particular way but am I really going too far and is it causing problems for me am I being honest with myself you know that that type of stuff so I think that's a big part of it because otherwise you're right you'll get law I mean we all do I've gotten lost in the you know oh yeah this is great oh and then eventually I'm killing it yeah the signals get so loud you can ignore it and you go yeah well I wasn't I wasn't being very honest with myself I wasn't really examining it from that standpoint so I think that's a constant thing yeah I feel like we've seen a lot of that um in in particular the cannabis space right because the pendulum has swung so far in the opposite like just 10 15 years ago it was so taboo and it was still considered bad and like definitely nobody in the health and fitness industry and then it cured everything yeah now it cures everything it's so amazing receptors all over our body and I mean and I'm guilty of this right I'm just as guilty of uh you know attaching all the things that when I think about all the positive things about it when I also recognize that it has a dark side to it it has uh it can still even though it doesn't have addictive properties in it it still can become an addictive behavior especially when you start to rationalize how good it is for you and I feel like I've seen that more in the last three to five years and I ever have and in including myself or I'm like oh yeah yeah it's good for me all these health benefits it's just like okay when you start doing that um and justifying some of these behaviors that are probably not benefiting you well okay so let me ask you because anything can be bad I guess quote unquote bad for you if it becomes if you develop a bad relationship with it or if you start to develop addictive um I guess an addictive relationship to anything right exercise can do that pornography television food yeah yeah I mean even even a friend you could get you could develop a bad relationship a co-dependent relationship so what does that look like for you when you're looking at something like that when do you say to yourself like okay I need to back off are there signs that you look for or things that you yeah I think the when I consistently am doing something like that that I know is not ideal and healthy like when it just becomes too often too frequent when the frequency of it and when I catch myself justifying it like you when I catch myself going like oh yeah or I'll say something to someone else I'm like oh I can see I'm selling myself my own bullshit you know and I'm aware I'm aware of it we're the best we're the biggest buyers of our own bullshit yeah I know 100% and and I tell you why and you've brought this up before that this podcast has been one of the the coolest uh you know tools of reflection because you know I'll want I'll either hear myself say it later on in an edit or something or someone else will say oh you said this or Katrina will say like I didn't know you felt that way about and then I'll be like I don't know do I really you know or I did say that didn't I like do I believe that like so yeah many times that's happened to me where I'll listen to one of our episodes and I'll hear myself and be like uh yeah yeah I was that was it's actually one of my favorite parts come out quite how I was trying to yeah or just like uh that sounds like I was selling myself yeah I mean it's one of my favorite parts uh the about this business that I didn't go into it thinking like I didn't think it was like hey I want to get into podcasting with you guys so it would be an awesome growth vehicle you know that was not what I did for the therapy yeah no I was I didn't think of that at all but it's naturally happened because you do you it's we record something and we put it out there it's forever out there and so it really makes you start to evaluate like what you say and do you really end your beliefs wow you imagine what if couples this would never happen but what if couples like right when they're about to argue they hit record on something that way they could play it later well you remember that uh wasn't that a very regular episode yes where you could go back and replay oh my god oh yeah I want to freak me out because it's like that's feasible it seems like yeah I feel like they really could do something like that it varies yeah like imagine that like you could just go back and I actually zoom in I actually think we're gonna see it I mean I mean you see uh you know examples of that in sports with what how far the replay has come and everything like that that you talk about an ego check that's not what I said that's not what I said oh yeah I play the tape oh yeah has ever happened to you so with text we'll do that sometimes right like I'll you know be talking to Jessica and she'd be like well you said this I'm like no I didn't she says yeah you did and then I'll scroll up and be like oh shit I totally like I'm not even pretending to think that I didn't I literally believed that I didn't say it that way yeah pretty wild that'll be it that'll be a super ego check if that's her what's up everybody here's the giveaway for today's episode it's the at home holiday bundle that's the sale this month by the way here's what it is maps anywhere map suspension maps prime and the no BS six-pack formula so if you leave a comment in the first 24 hours that we drop this episode subscribe to the channel and turn on your notifications and if we pick your comment you'll win the at-home holiday bundle now everybody else those programs would retail combined for $338 but right now if you go to if you click on the link at the top of the description below the price is $99.99 again $99.99 you get maps anywhere maps suspension maps prime and the no BS six-pack formula once again if you want that click on the link at the top of the description below to get yourself set up all right here comes the show what did you uh what did you guys think I mean it's crazy we really haven't been together um that was such a unique uh last two weeks for us right we had a week around thanksgiving and then we had the well you know what let me let me get in there because um we so we recorded ahead of time with podcasts so that we could air them because we were preparing for your baby the baby and uh I haven't announced on the podcast but baby baby dahlia dahlia magdalena was born she was born on the 20th of november which was perfect timing so no wonderful baby was born right when it would have been perfect for us to take yep time off um and it was uh dude i'll tell you this birth was such a different experience from the last one really awesome it's oh bro it's like on the positive side i imagine night so we experienced with the raleas the what they call the uh the sequence of intervention or the cascading interventions that happen when you go to give birth in a traditional hospital and so the everything feels like a crisis well what happens is you you show up and of course they prod you poke you test this test that that tends to cause either conscious or subconscious anxiety in the mother uh because it feels like an emergency situation right everybody's rushing freaking out a little bit that can cause the labor to slow down or stop or things to tighten up and then of course you're not progressing enough or fast enough so the next the first intervention tends to be petosin yeah petosin causes contractions that are far more intense and without the natural breaks that tend to happen between contractions naturally so you get these hard contractions they're really really intense they become one after another because they're artificially happening and then you can't tolerate the pain because it's just relentless you get an epidural now you have an epidural you're disconnected from half your body which then makes you know pushing a baby out or making that process happen more challenging you can't get up and move right because you're you're stuck you can't move which by the way i would actually i would add to that that that's already an area that is challenging uh for a woman to connect to like muscle muscular yeah muscle wise right like it's like uh teaching someone to draw on their core for the very first time and they and they're like what do you mean by that you have to push and relax right at the same time right right and so you're you're asking someone to do something that is is is is typically very difficult for the average person and then you put you numb them like that i've always thought that was really crazy like that that we expect a woman to be able to control those muscles while also being numbed in that area it's crazy and because the environment in a hospital now hospitals are phenomenal at treating emergencies um and so and and pregnant women going in for birth it definitely gives you that vibe like this is an emergency and so then you get the epidural and then you're not it's not happening or whatever for whatever reason oh baby's heart rate starting to slow down c-section so the c-section rate in some hospitals is almost 50 percent which is insane absolutely insane that makes no sense evolutionarily speaking so anyway we we experience that with the raleas partially because we had scheduled a birth with midwives um which midwives are they are experts in natural delivery that's they're the if anybody in the world understands natural childbirth it's a midwife that's what they do obese deliver babies but they're surgeons that's what their their training is in so we had it scheduled but because it went past two weeks past due the law says you are not midwives are not allowed to deliver your baby you have to go to the hospital so our options were stay at home and just do this on our own which we're gonna do or go to the hospital so that's why this all happened so then she had the c-section and then through that process the rate that there's a lower rate of successful latching for the baby the breast milk doesn't come as fast so it's just much more challenging thing plus you had a major surgery and the whole deal right well with dahlia luckily you know we scheduled it in a birth center with the midwives and the experience was so crazy different it was remarkably different like she's going through some of the early labor at home and we we have a doula we call the doula and the doula is we have this this app that tracks the contractions i know you guys use it too right where you're looking at the contractions and the doula is like oh you you guys are moving quick get to the birth center we get there doula meets us there we're waiting for the midwife and so jessica's laboring in the parking lot and just the the the way that the doula and the midwives first off i've never been in such uh feminine wisdom energy in my entire life i literally was in awe the entire time the the calmness and the the energy and the just the wisdom that these women had like i felt zero anxiety i felt like i was in the hands of uh of just these these goddesses that knew exactly so we had two midwives there the doula were laboring in the birth center so we have the tub and the bed and the whole deal and the contractions were different than when she had pitocin so it's almost like her body when she would get too exhausted the gaps between the contractions would would lengthen a little bit and there was a period there before we were at the end where her body almost gave her a break for like 20 minutes and they told us oh yeah this is gonna happen this happens your body's giving you a break because we're gonna start pushing we're almost you know there or whatever and then you know we had the baby and it was the most remarkable insane crazy like i'm not you guys know i'm not like a big like i don't cry a ton or whatever i lost it man baby came out and i was just it was absolutely incredible it was the most amazing experience in my entire life and then you know four five hours later we go home we don't spend the night there we go home because the first uh deep sleep they said it's really important you go home the baby needs to sleep real deep so we drove home and then it's just so different night and day different so so i mean she's healed better the the the latching happened faster everything happened faster it was just uh or better it was remarkable that's so that's so pretty incredible experience you cried i cried did you cry over the holidays cry no why'd you cry over the holidays i i i cried at my thanksgiving speech i did not yeah i didn't i didn't see that coming either i um you know we have this tradition where we uh right right before we eat we say a prayer and then everybody goes around the table and says something they're thankful for and we were up at the truckie house and uh and i i i totally knew what i was gonna say because it was on my mind during that week that i was with family but i i didn't realize how heavy it was until i said it and then i started i couldn't get through i was like crying so bad grabbed my brother and everybody started the whole table started crying um and what it was i i kind of chuckled when i think back like what it was because someone else would be like that's kind of funny that you would cry over that but um i felt uh so much love for uh because we were with Katrina's family mostly Katrina's family had some of mine but mostly her family was there and uh we've had the opportunity to experience that house now for i think three or four years are we going on the fourth year Doug four years it will be 2019 yeah so that's three years three years going on for that we've had had this place and have had the opportunity experience it with a lot of family a lot of friends most all my family and friends have now been up there at least once or twice and every time i have lots of people there uh it's not very relaxing for me i find myself because you're hosting yeah one because i'm hosting too because the place is so nice uh and i want it taken care of and so i find that in a lot of people in one place it's it's just so i'm running behind everybody i have a lot of pride and as you guys do in that place and uh her her family is just the best when it comes especially her brother uh Andy who you guys know pretty well like every time i would come out of my room with that like he would i'd see him with the the broom sweeping the floors or doing the dishes or changing light bulbs for us or fixing sinks if there was any sort of drip or i mean and it gave me this like sense of like i could just be there for the whole week be with the family not be thinking about the house the whole time and like i didn't realize how much emotion was built up from that when until i started saying thank you to everybody started crying then everybody else started crying i was like oh my god i didn't know it was i knew it was a big deal i didn't know it was that big of a deal for me that i didn't realize but i mean do you guys feel that way yeah you see me i mean you guys go up there with family and stuff like that how do you guys feel i mean that's how it is for me fortunately with my family everybody's very respectful of the house uh i mean they all have nice houses and so they're used to it but um yeah so i've i've never really had a lot of people come up you know usually it's just me and the girlfriend or you know just a couple other people or whatever and everybody's been really good yeah but not everybody does share that same respect for the house um i mean i i you know i've taken off my shoes at my own house for boy 25 years yeah me too and we do that up there and a lot of people have a real problem with that it's like why you make us take our shoes off and it's like well keep walking outside and stepping in dog crap and and all that because you got mud and rain and snow and so you you don't just track in a little bit you track in like all kinds of mud it's always funny to me that there's resistance with that with some people yeah it's ironically though it's funny my uh my wife's family's like way better at that stuff too like they're very very like attention to detail like helpful like very respectful to place more so than even my own family so it's it's interesting and i do definitely appreciate notice it it's just like one of those things you just see you know how people kind of like carry themselves and like help out and they're just like doing things makes you feel way better i always thought it was weird when like if i go to someone's house i don't care whose house it is and we eat or whatever i always try to offer to clean up and help you know wash the dishes or whatever i was kind of raise that way as i said that's part of your culture it is but it's weird when you have people over and they don't do that kind of stuff and they just sit there and okay whatever but it kind of feels weird yeah okay don't you and i don't know it feels nice it's and i'll tell people to sit down by the way i don't expect you to help but i do like the offer for you to get up and and you know yeah it makes a world of a difference for me i mean it was the first time that i had spent a week up there that i felt like i really got to just relax and enjoy the place many a lot of times we'll go on like a trip like that and then afterwards i'll take a trip and like i want to go up there by ourselves next week next time like i want to go right back so i can actually relax yes i can relax and actually feel like i enjoy the place because i felt like the whole time i was like serving everybody which i don't mind that too like right i liked i like to share my things with people and i like to show people a good time so by no means am i complaining but i realized that i do that a lot and i didn't realize how much it was so nice to like just relax like that and you it all came out when i when i said thank you to my brother and my family like that yeah i think for for me the big thing besides the baby being born which obviously was remarkable is watching my wife be just a warrior and then as a man i can't do anything i'd like to take it away other than hug her and hold her the whole time and so watching her do this like and just be just a just a champion just bearing the entire burden of this process and being so uh i don't know in awe i remember you saying that yeah you know that's we i talked about this at the live event with some people that asked about like just admiring her strength and what she did it's like wow i didn't have the um i didn't have the typical first time father response that i heard from so many people like so many dads i know um didn't feel connected to the baby very much until the the actual birth happened and then i mean i i've heard the story from my mom my father cried like she'd never seen my father cry he cried when i was born like i hear that story a lot like it hits men like when the baby gets there then it's like boom this overwhelming i didn't have that uh so much for max uh like that i i the thing that rocked my world was my connection with katrina yeah i that was and it was exactly what you just said was watching her you know champion that whole process and like just it was like it was like watching her in like the most brutal fight and her like wanting to give up but then still getting back up and then like and you have and i can't do anything but be there and like cheer her on and being like oh my god i would quit if i was she was so exhausted in between contractions she'd pass out like fall asleep like she was out and then another one hit and wake her up and i'm watching her do this i'm like oh my god yeah you're a beast yeah i saw a fear in katrina's eyes that i had never i in 12 years i'd never seen and that like just fucking melted me i was like oh my god like quit just quit we don't have to do it go ahead go ahead quit well so one thing i did right is i filmed from start to finish i did a bunch of filming now i want to be clear i'm not an asshole who gets the phone to film all the time she was very explicit with me beforehand you need to film everything so i got all these videos of her you know like you know going you know now have you guys watch it oh yeah we've watched all but it's funny because i show people that and i'm like i wonder if they think i'm like you know why my wife's like he's like a social media guy yeah like oh my god this guy so narcissistic kitty put his phone no she told me drone and there's no she she literally packed tripods no we don't want to phone up here i want to phone up here recording i want to do this and that so i'm like all right you want to capture in this yeah bring the steady cam yeah yeah that's pretty funny i mean there's part of me that probably wishes that i have had a clip of of that moment i mean it's forever ingrained in me that i feel like i can replay it in my own head but it would probably have been neat to see it is cool we haven't saved now so i mean i like hearing the story from her her mom and her sister were the only two people that were in the room and they so hearing them tell the story of us at like that time so i have like i feel like i had a moment with uh with my because i had we had dolly we came home and then you know we have a ralias and my elder my older kids there was a moment where i was on the couch and i was holding dolly a ralias was next to me my other son's next to me my other daughter's next there's all my kids like four of them sitting with me on the couch just a big full family are you dude i felt like uh like my chest was going to explode like there was too much inside i was like oh it's the greatest feeling of all time it's great yeah well how is sleep going though right now are you way uh i mean it's better this time it's challenging but it's way better than it was with uh with the ralias so but she's still you know obvious course you have a baby it's going to be especially if you breastfeed it's going to be you know there's going to be some sleep deprivation involved now speaking of uh men crying uh james cameron you guys see his tweet oh my god wow i've never wanted to slap this something something related to testosterone i don't know if you could pull it up it's literally the most ridiculous embarrassing inaccurate i am embarrassed very embarrassed for him it's so stupid and for people who deny that there's this kind of like mainstream media war on men no there's not there is 100 a war on men and it's constant and it can he's he's an example of him talking about how testosterone is toxic yeah well can we read the actual quote because i mean it's it's it was something about like trying to get it out of your system completely like uh like men need to work it out because it's a toxin testosterone what you got right Doug yeah i'm trying to open it it says avatar director james cameron says testosterone is a toxin men must terminate from their system okay first of all what is he trying to do first of all if you if you if obviously testosterone in the context of conversation is is proxy for male men right so if i say estrogen estrogen should be should be eliminated i'm talking about women so he's talking about men uh number one number two this is it's physiologically inaccurate because yeah no men with low testosterone or more aggressive more irritable yeah less innovative healthy worse fathers worse husbands they're sick they die earlier so it's you're just totally unhealthy it's and it's it's inaccurate that testosterone is toxic it's not a talk it's a hormone and we have a balance of hormones and a man with healthy okay i don't know if i i don't know if i buy it i i'm like i have such a hard time right now with the amount of of bullshit that that we see on on social media and how much stuff is fabricated in order to get attention that you know like the the liver king right we talked a little bit about that with um with max when max was here and i mean i 100 believe he had the foresight on all of this i you have to know that eventually you're running around with your shirt off and you're jacked on you know $15,000 worth of hormones that sooner or later it was going to come out and i don't think he fucking cared i think he knew that he was gonna get enough attention the same thing goes for something like this sometimes i think like james Cameron has the avatars coming out again right hopefully is another massive blockbuster you know he's hoping for and uh what a great way to stir up conversation about him then to put some bullshit post or tweet like this out to get people no way talking or here's why i disagree with that that is gonna it's gonna get them less sales okay watch so most people would say that about liver king most people would say him lying totally different market that's a totally different market i look you know how many same game though different market i don't know you know how many movies have lost because of because the producer or the director or the actors make it like this like weird political thing i mean lose ticket sales i'm not necessarily saying that for sure it's that scenario but boy am i so skeptical about anything that gets posted these days because many times it does come out that it was a or he's he knows he's gonna get a lot of attention and limelight because the the movie's gonna do what it's gonna do regardless it's it's now that like he has this the shining attention it's like i'm gonna go ahead and put out my own thoughts and agendas and political stances and whatever because i feel like now i have this platform that everybody's paying attention so here's so here's what i saw i'll read you with the quote with the tweet set and then i have my own theory what did i say the dug highlighted what did they say low t is probably why this took him 10 years to get it you have a tar sequel yeah took him 10 years so so here's what he wrote and then i'll tell you what my theory is this is the tweet a lot of things i did earlier i wouldn't do career wise and just risks that you take as a wild testosterone poisoned young man i always think of testosterone as a toxin that you have to slowly work out of your system here's what i think i think who's he hanging out no i think you'd be more beta i think some shit is gonna come out about james Cameron when he was younger i think either he got confronted or some bullshit came out and he's trying to make it like yeah i was it just no you're just or something you're just a young stupid kid that's probably you know that's what it wasn't what you're testosterone interesting that's what i think that and that's not a bad theory either i think that's what to me there's like more more that meets the eye here like i don't think that it's as simple as maybe this is like really what he believes there's probably some sort of play here whether it is to be get ahead of something yep that may potentially come out later so he can use that as his defense and say that you know of apology or whatever or my point of just creating drama talking about is he all in on the whole climate issues and veganism and like i mean i think he's like attached to all that stuff right uh maybe well i know okay here's one thing i can throw shade on him though like i know he for sure put out like a statement a long time ago that like he had all these same ideas of star wars and it was really mad when it came out that like he didn't put his out uh at that yeah he literally said like he came up with like everybody has a premise to star wars like i had like i had that idea i had that idea well thank god you put it out because it'd been dog shit hey my dad does that except not he didn't invent it italians invented it i don't care what it is you know an italian was the first one i had a friend to come up with that idea like come on dad everybody's everything we've invented everything through listening in on my conversation no i it's it annoys a shadow me because it promotes this narrative first off that somehow testosterone is a bad hormone it's not a bad hormone it's just a hormone and a man that has balanced healthy testosterone levels is less likely to be mentally ill less likely to be negatively aggressive because here's the thing there's a lot of confusion people like testosterone increases aggression people think aggression means like i'm gonna go beat someone up or push someone down or get in their face that's not aggression that's being an asshole aggression is like i'm aggressive to hit my goals i'm motivated to work harder i'm motivated to be a better father that's aggression now of course you could be an like a a violent type individual but that's not the aggression they're talking about so i hate that they continue to perpetuate this bullshit narrative like the toxic masculinity thing you know what's funny about that men who display what they would consider i'm gonna do in quotations because i don't i hate that they named it this but men who display the quote-unquote toxic masculinity the vast majority of them lacked masculinity in their lives they didn't have a good role model that was a man that taught them how to be a good man overcompensating they not only overcompensate they become the masculine that they see in media and what do you see in media with masculinity violence you know you know bang your chicks and hose and this and that and that's toxic so if you want to talk about contributing toxic masculinity it's popular media it's not men so men need men in their lives so that they don't become what the media says that men are supposed to be through again through popular media so crazy be dangerous today we have to mention veori and i so the last time that we got like they send us stuff every month right so the guys and i all get like like a fit that they'll send us that's normally what's like new or whatever and they sent me these corduroy pants that i actually sat in my closet for probably those ones no not these these are these are actually patagonia what that's what made me think of that right now is i'm wearing patagonia corduroy right now and i actually don't like them nearly as much as i like the veories my point i was making was that i had them for like three months and i didn't wear them because i didn't think i was gonna like i'm not like a huge corduroy guy but i do like i do like these and i'm like i don't know if i'm gonna like those i put them on unbelievably comfortable they're they're soft they have a they have an elastic band so they stretch so they stretch on the waist so they're way more comfortable they're tapered more than these patagonias which i like better too and now like i fell in love with them and it's my first pair that i've had they're called the optimist so and i went on the other date and like the color i wanted i wanted this color in them and they're completely sold out in that color right now because and so obviously they're well i'm wearing their slacks right now and i could literally i could work out in these slacks that's how comfortable and stretchy but they look like professional slacks it was pretty funny at the live event because there was a you know they only have like three different colors of flannels and i made friends with you know other people that were wearing their flannels and like it's like oh man we all had the same idea that day i was like all white i'm so glad i didn't wear mine because i have the same one that i ran out and bought it the the after i saw you wear it that day i really like i like greys greys and whites are like i wear a lot of greys and whites and i didn't know they had that and when i saw you wearing it i'm like oh let's talk about this live event that we just did this was my favorite it was the best it was my favorite it was my favorite i i felt like we were um or most comfortable uh the people that showed up or i mean they're always awesome we always meet we were also uh you know we are at home right yeah i wonder if i wonder if that played in a role at all do you think that base you know what i think it was when was the last one that we did a little almost three years ohio so there's a lot of there's because okay so here's the thing we're not media people when we started the podcast we were trainers and we get better at presenting ourselves just through practice right just do through doing the podcast getting on the show it just like it's reps right it's like an exercise you just get better and better and better i think it was three years of practice and then we went and you know we got to talk to an audience and we just felt so you think is that that's what i think huh i think you could watch our podcast three years ago versus now and you see a big difference i i two things i felt we're we're really impactful um our staff man is our team now um this is the best i've ever felt the best organized for sure yeah but i mean we were we're starting to build a pretty large team and everybody's been in their position for the most part everyone's been in their position for quite some time now and uh for some people this was their first live event to experience and i felt like um the way they expedited everything was incredible a lot of times i feel like you know and i know Doug can probably attest to this too like stressing out during those things like something not working or the flow i mean it felt so smooth for me that that's all i had to think about was enjoying our people and and speaking right it didn't i didn't have to think about the logistics because so much of that was taking care for us that played a big role for me of actually being able to feel comfortable and just talked to our people and then i actually think your idea the trivia was so fun i thought that was a really fun question it was a really clever idea because it what it did was not only did it give away a bunch of cool products to people so everybody loved that but uh it organically uh made us go down memory lane and tell like some old stories of everybody i thought you know the person who answered the question about who's been to jail was not a listener she someone brought her she came to me afterwards and she goes i don't know you guys i came with so-and-so by the way i loved the event i think you guys are awesome we'll start listening she goes i just guessed i just looked up there i was like really i was dying about that oh man i guess i got a face for that well there was there was somebody who there was somebody who guessed completely wrong on one that i thought was like one of the most obvious ones i thought that was maybe the person who no because there was a remember that one that was uh it was what was the question and she was way off everybody i felt like the whole audience knew about her who it was and she was like um um and i think she did you guys like i slipped in that one question like who is always right and i'm asking i'm the one giving away the prices too i better answer this correctly because what did you think dog of the event i loved it i mean it was easy for me as well all i had to do is worry about the audio and that that was it and i never saw you stressed no no i didn't need to be i didn't need to be stressed right we had a massive crew of people handling all the details so it was great it was on point so yeah i i liked my so my favorite part about i think we didn't lose any money too so i thought i like that yeah well they don't make us money like people don't we don't do this to make money the reason why we do selfishly people would think because you sell them you go like no we have to pay the staff we got to play you know uh you know we had a we rented out a a bar at our lounge for a holiday party then we avoided about i don't know was it 10 of the the people that came that you know they actually they did the vip you know experience or whatever we do sick gift bags too that we don't tell people yeah um so it doesn't make us money but we do this selfishly because we've talked about this so many times the there's something that we lost when we started doing this and we stopped training people in person and and the thing that we started to lose was the just being grounded because it's one thing to hear like i read comments on youtube or or we get dms it's not the same as when you meet someone and you see the impact and you know you're what you're doing is right or wrong or maybe i should communicate that different when you're a trainer you get that you get to see the person you get to guide them along the process we don't get that when we do this and so we start to we start to become less grounded and becomes more and more of this like show and when we do these these live events it brings me back and i feel like a damn trainer again i love it and makes me feel better makes me feel more driven yeah it was it was good dude it gives you feedback of like you know what you're presenting and like what people were picking up on that you didn't realize like it brought them value or didn't bring them value or whatever and so that's why i want to bring up some conspiracy theory right now just because i had a lot of people like i appreciate when you bring in some some of these like unknown type of conspiracies that turn out to be true weird right now you said i might not know this one you might not know this one this is one i just somebody sent me and i thought it was pretty cool and you know something that makes makes sense so apparently there was this video game that was an arcade game that it had made its way to an arcade i don't know where exactly it was they weren't real specific in in this video but polybius is was the name of the title of the game and the game was like ahead of its time like graphics everything was like super like futuristic for for the time period i think it was like in the 70s and i guess there was like always a crazy line for it and there's actual fistfights around being able to play this game unfortunately there was like side effects to this game so they go home and they had like migraines they had like all of these like like somebody had had a seizure finally where they ended up having to bring it off the market that's it right there yeah and so it it's the most dangerous arcade game so this is like spec this isn't like totally fact checked though so it's like it's been circulating and i didn't know this was a thing like even the simpsons had like a little reference to it of course they did uh yeah because they're they're on top of everything yeah dude like if you go through all their stuff but i didn't know about this and uh i thought it was interesting so they think that like black suits came in and like they would kind of like take data from it and so that it was like a grand kind of like uh uh human psychology experiment oh try and gather data on people that played it like let's see if we can alter behaviors if they can alter behaviors if they could you know manipulate their mind somehow through this game that they're playing so that i was like tripping out i'm like wow they had this all the way back then imagine where we are now so i mean i i that seems like a what seems plausible well it's plausible here's why i think it's plausible maybe not with polybius maybe so but here's why i think it's plausible let's say you want to do an experiment on a grand scale uh one of the best ways to do it would be to create a product or an app right or a social media app or something like that that people will adopt on their own for example somebody told us one tick tock yeah the one where you age yeah remember how much data they got from us yeah that's russia right yes so somebody actually said this to me once and they said sal they said how could agencies collect personal data on you for free where they where you voluntarily tell them what you like what you're reading post pictures of your family and yourself you create a killer product thing you just have to provide that like things that you don't that you like dislike things that you don't like like could you imagine if it came up in facebook yeah i'm like oh shit it's the ultimate hack for uh intelligence it is so either they could they could be a part of creating it or they could you know they got their back doors or whatever set up who was it we were talking to somebody i can't i'm not gonna say too much because i don't want to give this person out but this person we were talking to worked at high levels of intelligence and him and i got in this conversation i forget i know who you're talking about okay you and i were talking we were talking to him i'll tell you all fair because you were there too everything's deliberate you were there too you just weren't you were talking to the other guy yeah he was like high level military so okay he used to be high level military okay tell me and he said 100 percent they have they 100 percent have back doors they go in there they control algorithms if they want they do what the fuck they want and either the company doesn't know because they do it so well or they do your autonomy and they can't do anything about it yeah so anyways yeah i also like i want to kind of bring up a bit of a commercial to you that uh for butcher box that it was interesting because Courtney decided to kind of a little social experiment of her own and she makes killer spaghetti and it's it's the best it's really meaty there's meatballs or sausage oh did you finally try the meatballs so she she snuck in butcher box meatballs and also her own meatballs and then just kind of like blended them together and like that's a dangerous experiment that could go bad for her it could go bad it could go bad or could you know butcher box has meatballs or the meat you had yes i talked about meatballs and they're amazing ready to go i was so blown away by them how good they were yeah so they were good and Courtney's are really good too so it was like i yeah i had no idea it actually was pretty similar like that i couldn't really distinguish the two uh you know and i tried to kind of lean and tell her that hers were i was gonna say did she trap me i'm still trying to say that's why that could be a dangerous experiment bro i think you get set up a little bit like trap you know oh these butcher box ones they're all right yeah i hate these she wanted to like feed back to the kids she's sitting there like she has a commercial next week those butcher box meatballs were amazing yeah so so what you're saying justin is they're almost as good as almost almost as good as pretty damn good damn good i got your back so good job you gotta get done i haven't you guys gotta get them i i we've now or i think this is the third go around that we've got him because i haven't seen him because what is it the add-ons must be all right this is the ultimate test the italian right oh that's true i put the italian test yeah it's a meat the ball you know can i tell you something right now italians don't eat meatballs in their pasta just they just we just don't oh it's not no that's an american thing is it yes i eat meatballs by themselves oh i didn't know that oh that's interesting you know how many dishes americans did right though they create invent it and say it's you know they do this with all kinds like like mexican food like you know what else like a chelupi i'm chelupi is totally different too yeah do you know what else is interesting about americans i find it really interesting that there was like record sales in black friday's this year well we are in this crazy time i feel like i called that inflation layoffs and we saw record sales in there's some economic data the hell there's some economic data that's coming out that's still showing that's nobody worried anymore it's you know well no what's happening is that it's starting to heat up meaning the fed has to raise rates more aggressively probably because it's not working like they thought that's are we gonna see like crazy stuff like it was it was at the 80s dug when the like early 80s when the 13 13 14 15 interest rates on on homes and stuff were yeah i mean i think it was late 70s or 80s you know during the carter administration and it rolled over yeah rogan came in and i think i was not rogan excuse me reagan and it was vulgar right vulgar paul vulgar yeah he had to raise interest rates to crash so here's a funny story i i don't remember how old i was but i had like ten thousand dollars i'd saved up and i got a cd at 18 percent holy crap 18 percent so that this is one of the positive things about this you could put it in like a guaranteed cd and make it yeah fat percentage well those are already starting to come back up by the way too so that's the positive side of all that happening is to encourage people to put money back in the bank and save we should see a rise in like interest rates on bank accounts and cds and stuff like that so that there is there is a silver lining in some of the stuff that's positive wow that's wild but i just think it's wild that we what we've gone through in the last year or two and and of course with all the news and inflation and i just thought for and the layoffs i thought for sure this was going to be kind of a murky uh you know black friday but i heard so many companies broke records now here's the other the other side of it is that maybe because people are starting to tighten up and maybe because because here's what happens and this is how inflation can become runaway when people start to think i need to buy this now because it's going to be way too expensive a year from now then you get runaway inflation i think people start to snatch so i think that's been happening already so my theory you don't think on black friday everyone's like take advantage and buy all the shit you cannot so my theory is that there is a big percentage of people that took advantage of these low interest rates in houses and bought in the last three years or before so three years and beyond and actually if you bought two years and beyond and you are almost anywhere in the country you're sitting on anywhere between 50 on the low end probably to as high as half a million dollars in equity and i think and i remember being a 23 year old kid and sitting on a quarter million dollars in equity in my first house and thinking i was rich it was and thinking in my head so they don't feel the pressure yeah like it's like you know even with all the bad stuff going on and and by the way i remember at that time okay i remember when uh there was a comp plan change and my income got reduced and i didn't slow down spending because in my head i i justified my credit card spending because i had a quarter million dollars in my bank account in a sense right i have if i really needed to i could pull a home equity line and i would be totally fine i could live off of that because home prices have dropped a little bit but not a ton no and not if you had your house beyond three years i mean if you bought last year come you know and now then like yeah you're you're probably flat or hurting a little bit but not a big deal if you bought four five ten i mean you're sitting on so much equity right now that i bet a lot of people feel so the real pain isn't going to happen until the house prices really start to dip that's what i think that's because so many so many people have their wealth tied up in that right i mean that's i mean that's very true i think that's very true hey so i want to share with you guys a study that arthur brook shared with me arthur brook is one of my favorite people in the world by the way this is a such a great guy if you if you don't know who he is you got to look him up just a super intelligent man he's a harvard professor and i tell everybody to watch that documentary the pursuit oh so good he's an economist but he's also a behavioral scientist um and his expertise is on happiness but anyway and just a great human he shared this fascinating study on brain changes in men after becoming fathers oh and it was actually a well done study so it was like they did controls and all that stuff so this is like real brain changes due to men becoming fathers you're ready for this yeah so i i read the whole study it's really deep and i didn't spend a lot of time on it and so i just texted him and because he sent it to me and i texted him i said what is this like do you have a few seconds kind of tell me what's going on here with the study this is what he sent me he says you have more this is after you become a dad you have more synapses dedicated to your pair uh band and to defending and caring for your kids he says it's like you're mentally ready to fight a hyena and more in love with your wife and he goes it makes you manlier in the good ways how awesome is that i definitely feel the um so i mean katrina felt that she'd tell you that the the love she received from me after our son uh was so different than the previous previous it's true it's true oh yeah yeah it's true yeah no there's but the the two parts were really wild it's it's that that you that you're more you want to bond with your partner more but also the synapses that make you defend and care for your young yeah also you want to honor them and then yeah you also want to be the provider the protector like it's just this crazy overwhelming feeling like this this literally your brain is wiring itself okay i know you didn't go deep into it but i mean how do you know how they were measuring this like how yeah they were before and after uh mri uh imaging so this is a this was a longitudinal longitudinal gray matter um cortical volume reductions and and there's evidence from two international samples and they use brain imaging so it's like they had good controls they had they tested them afterwards and they tested them later so it was a really well done so yeah because in contrast to that wasn't there like a study saying like there's a natural decline in testosterone because of like lack of sleep and all that well that that was different and that's short term and that i think might be more related to the fact that there's lack of sleep yeah more stress and that kind of stuff that's because what they tried to speculate was oh lower testosterone but no again it's making nicer that's actually not true it's not true at all again if you if you study men who have low testosterone and raise their testosterone they become less irritable less depressed less anxious basically happier to uh james cameron james see if you can read a little bit sneak him a little shot because you uh i mean you probably haven't watched any tv whatsoever i finally got these guys to watch bullet train what'd you guys think of it did you guys like sick great i enjoyed it i thought it was fun i mean maybe i didn't like it as much as you did i loved it what's it about you normally are right on page with justin loved it though it was awesome yeah action pack had witty dialogue like very um uh kind of quit and tarantino meets uh what's a little richer yeah guy richie isn't it Brad Pitt Brad Pitt there was all kinds of cameos oh i saw a bunch of like british actors i saw the trailer for it the trailer looks like shitty i didn't watch it for like two months when it was out because i didn't think the trailer looked interesting watched it one night was right now granted i was telling doug this i was like granted i went into it thinking oh this won't be very good so it exceeded so it exceeded my expectations i hyped it up like crazy to doug and so he was like ready for the movie and we got to watch it in her uh new theater yeah uh how cool actually no i did watch something i did watch something uh wednesday the series wednesday oh yeah the extension really i like it did you watch it yeah really good cool really really good writing yeah it's very good writing it's obviously like a mystery and she's you know trying to find a murderer it's our netflix yeah really clever writing really well done i didn't think i would like it my daughter kept talking about it i love it i love it and so you know jess can i watch some of it it's really good we really missed you though uh going out to utah that was a really cool experience to see that finally all it's been such a long project yeah stressful and it's it's cool to see and i tell you what i i really uh doug will attest to this too like we were really nervous about your choice of color in the in the kitchen because originally when it first got finished and it was the furniture had just started to come in yeah it didn't look good and now it now looks great yeah yeah it really good job sound you're well yeah there you go are you sure you're not just trying to make me feel better no no i i'm your designer i doug and i went there you know it's the only that's what i'm not a big like i don't have a lot of opinion on the way things look except for stonework and that's just like rub around it so that's it yeah it looked uh came out real nice it did it came out really really good shout out to brook who was incredible i mean she's she's great job of the furniture yeah she we really leaned on heavily on her to go and pick out a lot of stuff for us and there was things that we originally wanted and we couldn't get because it was gonna you know push it back months and so she really had to piece a lot of things together um i do want to say something on the podcast that i actually wasn't intending to this until right now i just thought of this i want to i want to reach i want anyone who is a um a landscape photographer uh to to reach out to me via email at adam at mind pump media dot com if you would be interested in consigning professional photos in the house so originally we're going to go buy a bunch of art we bought some pieces and i thought you know what would be even cooler is to find an artist who photographs you know landscape highlighted in the house yeah and we'll highlight in the house and we're not gonna put your competing pictures up in there make it look no no the one we already on the bear rug it's very it's very there's very little mind pump uh anything in there right now other than like our so for people who don't know the idea is that this is a a rental that is all optimized so red light therapy cold dip sauna prx jim like allure's like in the bed steam steam movie theater so you go in there and then we'll also have you know some of our partners will provide supplements and products so you'll go in there and you're in this amazing place in your park city so it's all the stuff to do but also in the house itself yeah it's like all the stuff that we talk about and you could optimize a shit yeah out of your day we had another kind of funny moment where Doug was uh sort of editing and what not and decided to kind of throw up the podcast on the theater screen and then there's sal like huge i wasn't even there you guys we were all sitting in the theater watching your your mug we were gonna send a video yeah we're like oh sal would love this right now you just love this it was just drink it in did you guys get caught up in one of my yeah stories yeah we went on this guy's amazing journey man it's so amazing it's so dumb hey did you guys see so yep can i tell you guys right now you want to talk about serendipitous i got kicked off twitter right sorry instagram that everybody freaked out for a second i got kicked off instagram went to twitter and then elon bought twitter and now elon now twitter is amazing yeah twitter is becoming amazing and i do you like it was it was perfect timing because i got myself a little bit of a follower i don't have a huge follower base i just got on there and i thought long ago but it is amazing place right now and i don't know if you guys saw this did you see did you go ahead sorry well no i gotta tell you i don't maybe this is what you're gonna say so the the white house or biden biden's tweet or whatever got fact checked remember the fact checking yeah on social media and it was obviously half the time the fact checking was bullshit it's still kind of uh rampant well no on twitter it's pretty balanced and check this out this is amazing so biden puts out a tweet and he says we're building an economy from the bottom up and the middle out by creating more jobs in any administration in history at this point in a presidency and then here's the fact check that's so great this graph mislead leadingly credits biden for the creation of new jobs the spike in jobs is more accurately attributed to the lifting of covid 19 restrictions at the state and local level these are not new jobs but instead jobs that are returning to the economy yeah which is going back to work which is true that's 100 true but how wonderful what i thought was really cool like propaganda is not going to work you know i thought was really cool was uh tim cook taking him to lunch real quick oh yeah because he said he didn't say that apple so there was rumors that were going around that apple was going to remove twitter from their app store and so he basically put a tweet out saying like that would be really unfortunate i would hate to go have to make a competitive product to iphone fucking three days later tim cook is having lunch with his ass no way yes dude yes dude just letting him know we have no he is that gangster worry we have no intention of doing that whatsoever you believe oh yeah oh bro imagine even even okay he's a wizard yes even if he's not going to go take that down i don't think tim cooking the butt oh he will definitely take a bite out of your pie for sure well have you seen that's a golden goose have you seen the twitter data their users have gone up significantly oh is that true i thought it was the other way no so they've lost some advertising revenue which is true but if you go to elon's page he lists he lists the graphs he's very like here's the numbers here's what's going on i'd have to scroll down to look at it but he posted a bunch of like their data and they're actually crushing right now what do you think about him taking cognate down i think uh that that was interesting oh well bro conny has really have you seen is alex jones well yeah bro he's really crazy why he you know why he got he got removed from twitter right oh yeah he posted a swastika inside the star of david yeah so that was that was the tweet that got out of his mind yeah come on yeah i mean here we go look at this new user sign ups are in all time high user active minutes at an all time high hate speech impressions are lower and reported impersonations are down all since he took over that's damn good could you imagine he turns this into one of the top social media companies after going where they were like one of the worst now i mean yeah my my favorite my favorite meme was the one that the guy wrote that uh elon breaking news elon comes out we'll be charging uh people with pronouns they them in their bio will now get charged $16 double the is there more than one person that's not true but it's a funny just the joke all right so uh here at the end what we've been doing now is is is shouting out people on instagram or social media that we really like jessie said yeah i did have somebody that uh like adam and i kind of referenced him a few times it always puts out like really incredible athletic type training exercises and content and all that it's it's real game dot athletics oh yeah that's i like that guy a lot yeah i wanted to make sure people knew that he does like a lot of plyometrics and things that are very sport specific that i think people will get a lot of value super unique i like that give him a follow hey what kind of training do you do uh do you like to do strength training weightlifting olympic lifting bodybuilding prx has it all for your home gym and it's designed to maximize space for example they have a squat rack that folds into the wall comes off the wall like five inches then you pull it away from the wall and it's the most sturdy at home squat rack you'll find anywhere but anyway all their equipment is like this super high quality commercial grade home gym equipment you can even make payments on it so you can just pay monthly go check this company out it's the best home gym equipment you'll find anywhere prxperformance.com forward slash mind pump and if you go through that link you'll get a five percent discount all right here comes the rest of the show first question is from campus junior zero five how do you find your ideal weight i'm not sure where i should be okay so there's a there's a bit of a challenge with say what is there such a thing anymore yeah well i mean i guess there is but you have to paint context like what's my ideal weight for uh lifting the most weight in the gym or what's my ideal weight for having the less the least amount of inflammation or having the most stamina i imagine this person is comfortable i imagine this person is asking for health right just overall yeah i feel like that i feel like if you were asking to be strong to be fast you would add that to that if you're like what's my ideal weight i feel like that's a question that is uh for someone who's looking just i want to be healthy what what what should my weight be yeah so if that's the context of it now i could give general answers i uh for men a body fat percentage that probably sits between 10 to 16 percent is probably is like the range of healthy for women it's like you know 16 to 20 maybe 4 something like that might be considered healthy but i really think it it's it's not paying attention to your weight but rather paying attention to how you feel uh are your workouts making you feel good do you feel mobile do you not feel lots of joint pain are you sleeping well do you eat a diet where you feel healthy you have good digestion you're not force feeding yourself you're not also super restricting yourself and then where does that weight put you like what what's your body weight when you feel like your life is very balanced and you feel very healthy and then that is probably close to what would be your ideal weight and i wish the medical community put more emphasis on body composition you know because it you know they're still going by overall weight and you know i understand when there's like morbidly obese people like the big concern is to like you know lower the weight so there's not so much stress on vital organs and you know there's a concern there but in in terms of like overall health you'll get muscular people that uh you know might be a little bit higher on the weight but um you know their composition i mean they're in thriving health and enable bodies so even body fat percentages is is tough because if it's for health uh there's so many other things that affect health for example i find this really interesting about my own personal journey um i have i've been as as low as probably 180 pounds it was highest 240 pounds and i've been every body fat percentage from 2 percent all the way up to 20 percent at all those so i've had a huge range and i'm probably somewhere right now i would say probably 14 15 body fat so i'm on the higher end of body fat percentage i would think for what i would consider like fit or healthy for myself right now you think so you look more like 13 12 maybe i mean i'd rather estimate on the higher end and then i come in a little lower but say let's say 13 to 15 percent okay so i'm 13 which is on the higher end for me i for most of my training career i i hovered around 10 11 so let's say i'm 13 15 percent right now body fat give or take um i and i definitely don't look as as good as i do when i'm a much cleaner i feel some of the healthiest i've ever felt in my life um and just a lot of that is the the other things that are balanced out right i feel like um i'm i'm eating consistently better choice of food doesn't mean that i don't indulge every once in a while i do but that i'm i'm right back on try i don't i'm not like going off the rails for long periods of time um i'm getting i'm getting relatively good sleep in comparison what i what i have in the past my libido is really high so my hormones are all balanced out so you know here i am at the higher end of body fat percentage for me and i feel the healthiest i've ever felt what's your body weight um 220 about 225 i'd say i am would you say that this is right around then kind of idealish for you because you feel so healthy i i think i would be even better around 215 uh i think i would i would feel even better so i don't think i'm the the uh the healthiest i could be i think i could be well this brings up a good a good point though because my point is how nuanced it can be though yeah and also the balance aspect of it because you could try to drop let's say three percent body fat but that might require you take away from something in your life right now that you're finding right more value from that's why this is like a tough it's a tough one it's so individualized man because like i mean i had to go kind of to the extremes to find like where that range is uh you know for me personally even having to gain a ton of weight for football i was like i'm like i am not comfortable with this even though it was a lot of muscle uh there's a lot of fat on top of the muscle but it was just like carrying a substantial amount more weight i just didn't move well i didn't sleep well like this there's factors i guess that that's kind of the assessment there is to kind of checkpoint all those things like what kind of quality sleep am i getting uh you know how much energy do i have like how strong do i feel and just kind of go through all those things and feel where that weight kind of resides and and then also where your life yeah i think the longer you do this if your pursuit is is honest and you're really trying to create balance and longevity and do this for a long time and not be super extreme or maybe you do experiment with the extremes which i think does give you some insight then you tend to find out what that number is for you uh you know i've i've been i you know i've been as low as uh you know when i competed in jujitsu i was like 190 185 to 190 i've gotten my body weight as high as to almost 240 which for me is really really heavy i feel best between 205 to 210 215 maybe 210 i'd say 210 is probably why i feel best just overall balanced and healthy but there is a bit of a range there and well there's a range and there's also in relation to right because you could technically get down that 210 but then your sleep could be way off you could be uh fighting with your wife you could not be maybe i'm not enjoying meals as much as my family right right and so it's it's um and i know this is not the answer this person i can tell you what a non-ideal body weight is for someone right i could do that right and i think that's why i gave a range of body fat percentage and things to look for i think an ideal body weight here's all the other myth is that there's a weight there's a specific number like 207.5 you're just not going to get that no it's probably a range you're probably going to have a range of body weight that's within 10 to 15 pounds depending on how short you are or whatever 10 to 15 pounds and what determines if you're on the lower end or the higher end is your life like i just had a baby i'm probably not going to work out as much or as intensely as i did before i had a newborn because my sleep isn't going to be as good there's more responsibilities now especially in the first you know six months to a year so my body fat percentage is probably not going to be it's going to fluctuate a little bit and this happens for everybody you may have an illness you may feel more motivated sometimes less motivated maybe you're more into doing things or or or other parts of your life that maybe make you add a little bit of body fat but there is a range and i think the way the best way to ask this is what's your ideal range of body weight and that's something you kind of find through experimenting with balance with your workouts and diet and sleep and lifestyle next question is from hube swole i normally train with high intensity but leave a rep or two in the tank is going to failure every set better for hypertrophy though no it's not yeah okay so think of going to fail first off intensity is important so you definitely want to work with a certain level work out with a certain level of intensity failure is when you lift the weight until you can't lift it anymore okay but you could still get close to that where you stop about two reps before that and that's still intense training think of failure training as a novel stimulus in other words it's a way to switch things up change things up every once in a while to get your body to respond again or to change up your programming don't use failure as if this is what i do every single set that is a very fast way to get your body to stop progressing i mean i i look at it more like it's um it's me testing my body because i've been putting all the good work in of training consistently and dieting consistently for a while and now i just want to see like oh what happens when i push to failure like it is the line yeah where's the line is it a new line have i increased my strength in this category and i only need to do that one time and then i'm out of there that's it you don't need to i don't need to be doing it every workout or multiple exercises in a workout and i mean this is one of the things that i see uh tick tock and and and clips of ours where you know some some dumb kid will try and get on there and and and argue and debate this conversation around hypertrophy and failure training and the the studies that are out there to support the benefits of that and it's just you you cannot take um you can't take one study uh and and how it supports the benefits because there is benefits to going failure we're not saying that there is not but you have to use it right you're gonna draw it out too and see how long that's gonna benefit you right it's not like it may be a brief window uh of opportunity there but yeah i think uh this is just one of those we always see is overused and i think that's that's kind of our concern uh is that it's you're you're more likely to over train and then like keep overtraining which then doesn't provide that adaptation that you're actually seeking so are you really doing what's best uh you know with your training method yeah it's such a good point because when people talk about the risk reward uh you know factor with something like this they they think risk and they think like uh injury and so somebody who's like oh i'm a safe lifter and so i'm not worried about getting hurt and so there's not much risk for me so i'm gonna train a failure all time to get the max benefits but that's not the risk i think the risk is you know overtaxing overreaching totally risk is it's less about and yes of course it's an increased risk for injury too but it's normally a hardcore fitness person that's attracted to the overtraining who's not that high of risk in injuring themselves per se but more so of consistently overreaching and not allowing the body to properly recover and adapt the problem is is i have yet to see and there's some well-programmed workouts out there and they typically reside in the in the strength sports where it's like powerlifting olympic lifting just because there there's such a objective sports that workout programming has gone further there mathematical yeah but uh i have yet to see really good workout programming that programs failure properly it's either you always go to failure or you don't go to failure you can program it properly but it's got to be used as a novel stimulus you know stay tuned because we may find a way to program this into programs for those of you that enjoy training with that intensity but i will say this with when you look at the data on training to failure it's not necessary not only is it not necessary if it doesn't seem to yield any better results so my argument is okay so you're going to work out harder for the same results i mean i guess if you just like working out harder that's fine but my argument is most people overdo it so unless you really know how to program and really know how to program in novel stimulus like failure then you're better off probably keeping one or two reps in the in the tank most of time next question is from anisea stuff are supersets necessary if time is not an issue no no but super so supersets are great if time is an issue but what if it's not an issue why else would you use supersets still novel it's it is it's a very novel stimulus it's a great way to work on strength endurance so you know i could do i could do a bench press for 25 reps so i'm going to work strength endurance there but here's the difference between doing 25 reps on a bench press or doing 10 reps on a bench press and then 10 reps of another chest exercise like a fly because i changed the movement pattern i hit the muscles slightly differently and it's a novel stimulus and body builders love supersets for its ability to produce a crazy pump in the muscle and there's there's so many different ways to use supersets so i use supersets when time isn't an issue still for those reasons right there i like the pump yeah i feel like this person's saying that because they've heard me say that on the show that's your favorite way yeah that's my favorite way to do it and and there's enough times when i want to cut my workout short or i have to cut my workout short that it just intermittently ends up in my training so i tend to save it for that it's not that i don't think that there's value in it when i'm not hurt i'm not in a rush i mean if you're somebody who always gets your hour to train your three to four days a week and you never miss that hour and then you're like well i'm never in a hurry so i'm not going to use supersets because adam only uses it for when he's in and it's like no don't do that i mean that's not my point my point is that that tends to happen to most people enough times and they're in the year of training that uh they have to cut a workout short or they have a smaller window than they anticipated and so or maybe they just don't feel like working out for an entire hour to me those times present themselves enough times in a it's naturally programmed yeah it's naturally programmed in there i save it for those moments like oh this is perfect i'm still gonna get a great workout i haven't done supersets in a while and i gotta get out of here so that's how i use it of all the strength athletes that you know or the athletes that use strength training is a primary form of training it's bodybuilders that most use supersets so that kind of gives you a clue in terms of what its value is and the value is the pump maybe sarcoplasmic hypertrophy which is increasing the the the capacity of the muscle to store fluid capillaries give you that kind of round full look um and it's probably contributes to hypertrophy and and and maybe a novel way especially if you never do them so supersets definitely have value when used properly meaning you don't do them all the time you do them sometimes and when you do them sometimes especially if it's something you haven't done in a little while i you'll see some benefits you'll see and feel some benefits from doing so next question is from cmos 23 if all affiliates are vetted for our interest why do some get dropped did their product change oh who picked this i did i'm glad you picked this i'm glad i'm glad you picked this for uh for you adam um yeah i know i we get a lot of questions around this and i don't think we've ever like addressed it um sometimes the businesses just don't continue to align and it has nothing to do with the product or the people we could still love them the matter of fact there's several brands that we've worked with i'll name a few dr squash um thrive markets um ease for sigmatic uh for sigmatic um these are all brands that i still uh you know if someone asked me i would say are incredible great brands that we like um but unfortunately that's not the only thing that keeps us in partnership we have contracts that we sign with people and after a contract is over we evaluate uh how it went for them and how it went for us and some and another thing that happens sometimes uh mine pump is now got to the place where we have a lot of volume a lot of people a lot of companies that we partner with are either startups or smaller businesses that are still growing and not all of them have the the resources and tools to retain um as many members or leads as they need to justify the spend on the on the podcast so just because we we you know quote unquote break up with a partner it doesn't necessarily mean there's there's bad in fact it's rare that there's actually bad i don't think there's any that we have that we we stopped working with that it was bad there's never i don't know if there's any been bad but there's sometimes when we're like eh we don't want to do we don't want to work with anymore it's not a product that we we care about or there's a bet or there's better yeah right sometimes um sometimes we we love a product we find something we're working with them for a while and an even better brand comes along it doesn't mean that we don't still think that first brand was not great and awesome still but if we find a brand and i'll use this example something we're going through right now without saying names is you know we find a brand that is uh cheaper for our customer uh more professional faster can handle more volume um can can have have more resources we may have opportunity for an equity play with it and and it covers all the things that are matter to us as far as aligning with our our brand um yeah then they just have it just business it's not always i mean i think people on our forum and stuff they they see uh uh uh us marriage uh they feel yeah it's not like someone cheated yeah you know i get that i mean people do really honestly respect kind of like our opinion on a lot of products and things out there and we present it that way and that's you know all part of the process uh but also to our business owners and you know and their business owners and so maybe their ideas like of expansion are elsewhere and you know that's happened before and you know we have ideas too that we could help kind of like promote things better and so it's just it's just a matter of like how it all like blends and works in the timing of it all yeah our um our commitment is not to our our partners that we do sponsorships with our commitment is to our our fans our listeners the people who buy our products or listen to our advice that's number one so we can love a company and first off there's a vetting process when we first work with the company and that is a is it a product that we use and that we like and that we trust is a third-party testing are they do they have integrity then we meet the owners do we like them because they could have great product but if we don't like the owners we're not going to work with them do we like the owners do we like their integrity do we like all that stuff and then we end up working with them so that means we've like we like them but if it doesn't work great for our fans and listeners or if it just doesn't align super well then we may not work with them and then sometimes it just doesn't work for the partner either like sometime like Adam said sometimes they don't necessarily they may count their returns in ways where maybe we don't deliver necessarily because they don't necessarily see the what we bring to the table they may look at just numbers and say well we do better if we just advertise on facebook or whatever and we think that's a mistake but that's totally their prerogative but that's pretty much it yeah you just gave an example of the the breakup with dr. squash i mean we were all really excited about that brand um they are in super hyper growth mode and spending tons of money on advertising and they purely look at just the dollar ROI so they spend x amount of dollars with mine pump it should produce x amount of dollars to them and they're comparing that against things like facebook ads and when you partner with a podcast brand it's a slower longer play you're building a relationship with with an audience you believe in that that podcast and it's growing and so together you're gonna grow and you're gonna cross pollinate and you're gonna do launches and things together and some brands really like that and appreciate that and they and they they don't they're not so worried that oh we spent this much on ads and we only got this much return and i could we could technically go to these other other way other mediums and make more money some of them see the value of like for example like brands that really love us and they don't make a lot of money off us seeds an example of that seed is a probiotic that is a real is sal's words the best probiotic on the market they don't make a ton of money off of us they could make it more on the ads but they really need somebody to communicate that message and be able to explain the science as well as sal does on the show we have a few partners that they value our ability to communicate the product so well that the dollar doesn't matter then we have other brands that the dollar is all that matters and and if we can't produce up to the amount that they want for what they're spending they they and we don't fault them for that either because it's a business they have to scale they have to manage those things and so many times it's it's an amicable split and we we part ways and we still tend to be friends on the on the on the outside if I'll say I'll tell you this much right now this maybe to our fault if it's not amicable and there was some shenanigans going on you'll know because we have no problem saying we can make or break a company and we have no problem breaking a company if they if they do the wrong thing but we have yet to have that happen yeah nobody nobody nobody does anything dirty and it's just I know I know sometimes social media wants there to be more drama it's but it's business and and sometimes we have to cut ties with even people that we like and brands that we really like because the businesses don't align as well as they could and or there's another business out there that aligns even better than the one that we've but I do I do take a lot of pride in the fact that we don't tend to hop a lot of brands I mean I I think it's really I think it's gross when you see fitness influencers hop from supplement protein powder to protein powder to protein powder like I've seen some really popular famous people that have had you know five six protein powder brands that they've worked with that they've dropped another one than another one and it's like it's all the same it's neither one of them are better than the other it's just whoever's paying them at that time and now we've we've aligned with brands that we tend to stay with for a really long period of time and well that's that's that's kudos to you Adam because a lot of people don't know this but Adam he really runs the show on that and he does a really good job of making sure that it's going to work out for everybody that's why there's so few companies that we you know we we no longer work with it usually we do a pretty damn good job yeah and that's on you so thank you good job look if you like mine pump head over to mine pump free.com and check out our guides we have guides that can help with almost any health or fitness goal you can also find all of us on social media so Justin is on instagram at mine pump Justin Adam is on instagram at mine pump adam and you can find me on twitter the freest social media site you can find uh at mine pumps out this one's really important and that is to phase your training if somebody trains for a full year doing a bench press and they're always aiming for five reps if you compared that person to a person who did bench press where they did three or four weeks of five reps but then they did three or four weeks of 12 reps and three or four weeks of let's say 15 to 20 reps and then they'll throw on some supersets at the end of that year you're going to see more consistent progress from the person who's moving in and out and less injury that's another thing you'll see less injury as well.